LIVE: Cowboys Break Podcast | 6-04-25 | Dallas Cowboys 2025

LIVE: Cowboys Break Podcast | 6-04-25 | Dallas Cowboys 2025

Go Cowboys. Go Cowboys. Hey, hey, hey. Go Cowboys. Go Cowboys. Yeah. Heat. Go cowboys. Go Cowboys. Heat. Heat. Go kill boys. The following is a production of dallascowboys.com and the Dallas Cowboys football club. Goowboy. Let’s go, baby. Are you ready for a break? Yes. Are you ready for a break? Absolutely. Ready for a break? Yeah. And um so much for that. It’s time for the break on dallascowboys.com. We were on the break with Amar Garcia, Brian Bris, Vach Lombardi, and Derek Eagleton. It is Wednesday, June 4th, 2025, season 21, episode number 13. Welcome to the latest edition of the break. We’re live from the SWBC mortgage studios at the Star, presented by LG. LG is the world’s number one OLED TV brand for 11 years in counting. See why at lg.com OLED evo. This is the next to last show. Man, we got a whole group of people out here watching today. Kids from the neighborhood have come through to see what we’re doing here on the air here on the break. This is what you don’t want to do for a living for kids. Go make some money and be happy. Stay in school, eat your vegetables, get eight hours of sleep. There you go. There you go. You tell vitamins. They should take their vitamins. Take vitamins. I haven’t I don’t I haven’t taken vitamins growing up. I just Flintston vitamins. I’m from Nashville. I I don’t even know if they had vitamins in national Mississippi. I don’t know. They do. My mom grew up there and yes, I assume they have in 92. I ain’t seen none. We just uh got it naturally. We would just eat our vegetables and that’s where we’ll get them from. There you go. Hey, that works. All right. This is our next to last show. We only have one more show before we take a little break here. Wow. Uh yeah, that’s amazing. Boston and I will still be working so you can check those us out if you want. Yeah, don’t worry about Yeah, we’ll we’ll take it. I I always believe that during certain times of the year, and this is the only time of the year. Yeah. When the team goes away. Yeah. The only time we really have anything to talk about regarding a team is if something bad happens. Yeah. That’s You gave me You have no idea how you just changed my life. Really? You gave me amazing news. Yes. Come on, AG. How long have you done this? You know, we take a break from I forget time just, you know, I just Yeah, the timeline wasn’t timing. But anyway, we’ll see you in Oxnard. Well, we have we have we have this week and we have next week and then we’re going to move on and uh get ready for training camp and we’ll be out in training camp later in July and we’ll have lots of shows uh teeing up at that time and then obviously kicking off the season. We’re back to our normal daily schedule uh once we hit September. Today though, I want to talk a little bit about the OTAAS that have been happening over the last couple weeks. Uh we had some media availability yesterday and where I want to start I have a few observations just things that that were either said or were noticed yesterday and uh there aren’t questions. I’m just going to throw them out and I’m just going to free-for-all and let you guys talk about whatever those observations are. Let’s start. You know your talent is what you do. I do. Uh let’s start first with Michael Parsons. He was at the Star but did not practice yesterday. Uh he is expected though to be here next week for the manager as he said. He mentioned that he expects to be here. Uh Stephen Jones was asked about his absence and whether it bother him. His his quote was no. That’s part of the business. All teams go through it and that’s part of the business. Thoughts, man. He said, “I don’t want to hear this no more. I don’t want to hear any more.” Quest the the the what what is he the vice president of of COO? What is he like like what’s his title? Oh, I have Steven Jones. Steven Jones title. He’s got a I think it is COO something player personnel. He’s definitely sele and owner and co-owner something something fancy cowboys doesn’t want to talk about Michael Parsons no more. So I imagine that it is frustrating. I imagine that he’s sick of hearing about it. But what you going to do player? I mean you you you going to give them what they’re asking for or are we going to continue to play chicken? I think with certain kind of players I don’t think you should negotiate or you you you shouldn’t try to well can you let me slide on a million here a million there. Michael Parsons is arguably one of the best players in in football. Not just defense, not just edge, the whole football. You can nickel and dime Donovan Wolves. I ain’t want to say his name. You You can nickel and dime some other players. You can nickel and dime some of your new linebackers that you just brought in here. Vet minimum. These guys, get ahead of it. Stephen Jones, get ahead of it. Pay them whatever they want. Whatever stupid amount of money that’s going to make him the highest paid player on defense. TJ W pass it in a little bit. Somebody else will pass it in a little bit. some new defensive player will make that a deal in 5 years time. So, let’s let’s stop playing violence today. Let’s stop playing. Let me ask this question. Let me ask this question. You’re making an assumption that whatever the holdup is or the reason why the deal hasn’t gotten done is because of money. If I was Stephen, are you certain that that’s the case? If I was Stephen, I would say I would like, hey, they don’t like XYZ. The money’s there. We’re offering them because they want to play the No, I I hear what you’re saying. I’m saying, are you sure that that’s the case? I don’t know nothing cuz Okay. So I guess the point I’m the point I’m trying I work on this hall and I can’t leave this hall. I don’t know. The get I guess the point of what I’m saying Derek was on the debate team so he just I just think I think we have to be careful. No, I think we have to be careful when we make assumptions on this kind of stuff because we’ve seen in the past that some of these things get held up and then you find out later the money wasn’t the issue. There were other things that were being negotiated. By the way, the Brian, you’ve seen this, these contracts have a lot of stuff in them. There’s a lot of language and a lot of stipulations and sometimes those are the things that hold up a deal more so than the money. So even if in the contract somewhere Derek asked me even in the in the contract he said Brian you know these contracts if if Michael Parsons want to escalate per year just say no or say yeah that’s where I’m at with it. Say no or say and what if what if he’s dug in I won’t escalate and they like man we not giving you escalate we giving you $60 million whatever the number is. is the is the best player in football worth the newest Escalade per year? And if not, you move on. You call somebody, see if you can get some some draft picks for one of the best players in the whole league and just and just go from there. But if not, acquies. Do what you got to do. It’s going to suck. You going to get whooped negotiation. You going to get whooped in the I know Stephen Jones is frustrated right now. He’s frustrated. Nickel and dime. He can’t. And you know, you cannot he cannot catch a break and hear everybody’s going to say, “Oh, Brous, you’re you’re you’re going for the Joneses here today.” No, I’ll tell you the side of it that I believe is the fact that he is in a situation where he cannot get contracts to get staggered. He can’t he’s got two, three contracts he has to work on every single year. He can’t get the contracts staggered and all of a sudden now he’s in a in a in a little bit of a of a little bit of a situation where all of a sudden he’s had to pay for the highest paid. He’s had to put out the money for the highest paid. You know, he the the thing with Lamb that turned into negotiation and it was a hold out and all that. He got the Oso Diggy Zooa deal done because they went under market value. He got Diggs money done because they went under a little bit under market value. I think Stephen Jones will negotiate with you. I think you have to also look at the other side. I think you have to look at David Mulligetta in this situation. Why would David Mulligetta even want to take your call? He knows what He knows what the guy got at the Raiders. He knows what the guy got at the at the at the Browns. He’s thinking probably that ballpark. Stephen Jones is now in a situation where like even if I keep trying to make offers to these guys, they’re going to continue to say no. They’re just going to David Mulligetta has no reason to take his call. That would be very frustrating to me if I was going to try and negotiate a deal like this one and say, “Listen, see if I could bring this thing in at 375 instead of 40, 41 or 42.” That would be very frustrating to me. I think that now you have agents that that know that the Cowboys are over a barrel and when it comes to these negotiations, they’ve done a great job of assembling players for their roster. A great job. Now it comes to having to pay them. But these agents have seen what have happened over the years with these negotiations. It always ends up in the favor of and it’s it and Stephen Jones, I think when he yesterday lashed out a little bit, you know, he lashed out and said, you know, I don’t want to talk about this anymore. I sense frustration because he doesn’t get to do what he does best and that’s negotiate. So these agents right and and look Brian we not fighting and we not fighting there but these these these agents they represent players all over the league right so this is me asking because I don’t have a question I don’t have the answers so why is it that the Lions right back to back within three weeks we can go all right pane soil gets done all right Jared Goff gets done all right two or three other people get done the Eagles back to back to back to back they find money they find money to just pay everybody back to back to back to back why are we the only team it seems like hypothetically In Vot’s mind, it seems like, oh man, we got to wait till the last minute. No, you got to get ahead of it. You’re right. We got to wait till the last minute for Mike. I think you’re in a situation, too, though, where these agents are holding him up. I think the deal with Dak Prescott, again, Brian Broad is talking here, you know, not anything from Dallas Cowboys.com or anything I’ve heard of in the building. But you had Todd France change agencies on on these guys. They thought they had a deal and all of a sudden France changes agencies. Look at all his players that year, the year. They all got franchise tag. He didn’t negotiate with anybody because he was leaving one agency to another and he didn’t want to put old business Dak old business with that old agency. So to me, sometimes you got to catch a break on these things. Sometimes it’s not just the Joneses. Sometimes it is the agents. But what what does David Muletta Why even does he have to take this call? He knows what the numbers are. Stephen can’t Stephen really can’t negotiate with him because those are the numbers. That’s what a negotiation’s about. Hey, let’s see if we could fall under this. Let’s see if we could get under that number. Amber, what you think? Cuz I’m at Brian again. I have a couple of things. Number one, you mentioned the Eagles and it’s an interesting point because I think that’s the initial perception when you talk or look at what the Eagles have done and start comparing with what the Cowboys have done. Derek and I have been in a meeting where it was somewhat explained to us because it’s again it’s a very complicated thing like you need it all mapped out because there are so many players on the team and every like it all it just comes in pieces together and it’s not you’re not just talking about one year you’re looking at multiple years and all that. But my understanding, and correct me if I’m wrong, Derek, I came out from that meeting with the with the assumption that every team goes through a certain cycle. You’re going to get to a point where the Eagles are not going to be able to do what they’ve been doing. And then the Cowboys is going to be their turn to kind of reset and restart with this all these contract. And again, very complicated topic. don’t know exactly how it works, but I think this is the one year in the in the limited capacity that they had with the salary cap and everything like that. I think they’ve been able to manage this off season really well in my opinion. Of course, you still need to get uh this guy done. He Micah, we’ve been talking about it. We’re about to go back to training camp. I remember being at training camp last year and him being asked the question about the contract. And something else that I was going to mention was the changing attitude. I can’t speak about the conversations that have been done between his agent and Stephen Jones, Jerry Jones, and the Cowboys, but one thing that it’s clear and we’ve been seeing all the way back since training camp, whether it’s genuine or not, whether it’s fake or real, the fact is Micah has started changing his attitude. now. Sure, looking for that contract, but he started doing things that he hasn’t necessarily done before. For example, even though he hasn’t been at practice, yesterday was the Cowboys media days. This is a time that Mike, those who know, he don’t typically show up to everything. He will not show. And if, by the way, he’s not the only one. There are lots of high-profile players that say, “I’ll do this. I won’t do this.” It’s that’s just the nature. Yeah. Yeah. But he’s one of those. then that if he do do something, he’s not necessarily in the best mood and you just got to deal with it. But again, I just want to cont contrast contrast previous year to right now. He showed up yesterday. Sure. He showed up even did some Spanish stuff, which has never in my whole life. See that? Yeah. Um, was he speaking Spanish? He he he participated. He did good. You did good. Well, the whole thing cuss in Spanish, boy. They don’t they don’t they don’t let you know you ain’t supposed to say certain words. But on that part, but the whole I was using, by the way, I heard that last week. Do it again. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I thought it go. I’m sorry. No, he does not. Now I know. I already told him off air. Um and I told him Derek does not approve. So, hey man, it made me laugh for a second. I was going to say I also heard from different stations like the photography station that he was in a great mood and he did so good. So again, uh I think the willingness sure is there. Yeah. Uh that you see some participation, not in full capacity because he’s not showing up. And he’s already said he’ll be there. Yeah. Next week. And he said he’s going to show up to training camp regardless whether or not he has a contract, but it is something that shows some change and shows some that that they’re working with. He’s not upset necessarily and he’s willing to keep putting in the work in a certain capacity. Maybe I’m just bothered that, you know, we’re in this off season and and we see Miles Garrett say, “You know what? I’m sick of this Brown stuff. I’m sick of football and my and my contract’s going to be complex, too, but I don’t want to be here. I’m leaving.” And then next thing you know, Miles Garrett gets this big stupid contract. He’s like, “Boy, Brown for life, y’all. What we doing at quarterback?” Right? Like just at the, you know, not the snap of your finger, hyperbole, right? But, but maybe like a week or two weeks. We’re going to really wait this whole thing out and I hope that we don’t get to the end of training camp and now we’re like, “Okay, well, Micah hasn’t worked out and now he needs five weeks.” And I can I ask a question on that, please. On the Browns, how many big contracts do they have on their roster? That’s fair. That’s I’m just I I want to make sure again totally fair. Let’s Let’s do the full thing. If we’re going to use them as example, no. If we’re going to use them as example though, I want to make sure that we’re comparing apples to apples. I don’t think that’s a apples to apples comparison. Maybe not apples to apples, but in this case, if you’re the Joneses and you’ve paid this player, this player, this player, now your best player, like he’s he’s the Browns best player. So, if Micah’s one of our top three guys and we’ve paid these, I’d like man, but Micah is not and will not be the highest paid player on this team, even when this deal is done. Even not, but even even to that point, they knew Michael was coming. You know, they knew that this like they set it up to where, all right, in this amount of time, this is going to happen. Oh, Michael going crazy. So, you know, by year three that he’s going to be looking for something. This should have been in their mind. I’m not telling them how to do their job. I didn’t go to school for this, but I’m just saying maybe that’s maybe there’s a way to get around this and maybe nickel and dime somebody else. I think those those are all fair questions. I just want to make sure that we think about it from the standpoint of it’s not always just as simple as, well, just go give him whatever he wants. I think there are a lot of things that have to be negotiated and there are a lot of things have to be negotiated on both sides. Both both parties have to be willing to make the negotiation as Brian was saying, but there has to be a a coming together of of ideas for them to actually get the deal done. There’s no sense of urgency for agents to deal with the Cowboys. That’s what I was about to say, Brian. There’s no sense of urgency. That’s what none because what happens is, and to be honest with you about the Browns, you could look at the quarterback Watson and then also Denzel Ward are two high very high paid guys for them. But you look, there’s no sense of urgency. And that and and and and this is just where uh we always like to say in the media world, it’s a small sample size. It’s not a small sample size anymore. It’s not. You see how some of the contracts have been done here and how they’ve been structured. And I don’t think it’s always fair to the Joneses, but this is where we’re at right now because agents can wait you out. Nobody wants to have to sit there and deal. They would love to negotiate in good faith with them about Micah Parsons or with Dak Prescott or with CD Lamb or all these guys. You know, we say they wait, they wait, they wait. We don’t always know on the other side. I think agents hold the Cowboys up. I really do. I think I think Stephen, Adam, Todd Williams, everybody that does a contract upstairs, I think they want to negotiate. I really do. I think they want to be a part. We’ve seen though when it’s OSA and others. I brought that up. We’ve seen digs when it wasn’t the when it wasn’t the full top deal for corners. We’ve seen what negotiations look like on certain players. But these top players though, it has been a struggle. And I don’t know, again, I don’t think it’s all Dallas Cowboys fault here, but if I’m an agent and I’m sitting there and I know what type of player Michael Parsons is, I’m not picking up the phone. I’m going to make you wait every single minute on this one. And that’s what’s difficult. uh because you do get that sense of oh there’s no urgency because you don’t see things actually happening but even though you’re waiting and waiting and we’ve seen it case after case at the end of the day for the most part they get it done. The Cowboys end up signing who they want and that’s why Stephen Jones is pissed off right now because he doesn’t get to do what the Joneses the Joneses are tremendous. We could talk about all the things that they do on the football side. These folks are billionaires because of businesses that they run. They negotiate. They know how to talk to people. They know how to get deals done. That’s something that they are good at. You know, now they’re getting their ass kicked on the football side of things because people are not willing to step to the table and negotiate with them because they know that all of a sudden if you hold them up, hold them up, hold them up, you know, Jerry Jones, Stephen Jones, they know they have they’re trying to build a football team here. They they felt like they had to have Dak Prescott. That was worth them to put that check in front of Dak Prescott. You know, it’s going to be worth it was worth them to have CD Lamb. They put that check in front of them. You know, they they they’re smart enough to know that their best players need to get paid. They’re just not getting to negotiate like they’re really good at in my opinion. All right, we’re going to take our first break. 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Visit the Yeti store on Mckin Street and at South Lake Town Square today. Back to the break. LG OLED Evo is the best TV in the game, but don’t take our word for it. Digital Trends said that LG OLED G4 has the best picture quality they’ve ever seen. and see it for yourself at lg.com/oled evo. Welcome back. It is the second segment of the break. We’re live from this WBC mortgage studios at the start of the segment brought to you by blockchain.com. All right, so we were going to take a I was going to take a right and in the break I think we decided we want to take a left because we got into a conversation I thought was really interesting. Brian, you teed up the question and I thought it’s a really really great question. If let’s assume that that Pickkins has a really great year this year and you get to next off season and you have to make a decision as the Cowboys on resigning either Don Bland that was your question. Go ahead. I was going to let him finish. No, I’m sorry. I thought it was Brian. I was going to let him finish. I don’t really know. He likes to I was taking I was taking credit. Brian was over there. No, I was going to let you take that. No Brian was over there like you will not. It was a great question. I’ve learned not to interrupt my teammates. I wasn’t going to let you take Go ahead. Please, here’s the question that uh I suppose to the table. The question the question is there. If you had if you had to choose, would you take would you sign Pickkins or would you sign Bland? I made the argument Pickers got no trouble. Like no, by the way, he has a great year. He does exactly what you asked him to be. He comes in, he is a 1B receiver. Uh he has some games that you don’t win without him making plays that he makes. All those things off the field there are no problems. He is the model citizen. He’s a great teammate. All those things. Y I still say I go with Bland because I think in terms of replacement value. And the point that I was trying to make is I think and you guys are talent evaluators. That’s what you do with the draft show. So you might have a different opinion. I trust your opinion. But I think there are more talented wide receivers out there than there are talented quarterbacks. I think there is a larger number. So for me, it’s harder to go out and and replace a bland than it is to go out and replace a Pickkins. That’s nothing against Pickkins. It’s just saying there are more of them out there. It’s another reason why you you pay, as we were talking about the first segment, you pay your top flight pass rusher cuz there aren’t a lot of those guys around. Like it’s hard to find those guys. Sure. What was the argument you guys were making because both of you guys thought you take Pickkins over Bland? I’m definitely taking Pickkins and there’s a lot of context that I would add to it. Um, first of all, how the Cowboys operate, you know what I mean? Like, we’re we’re drafting and we’re not going to go find help outside. Okay, we found pickers outside, but boy was that rare. So, what I’m thinking is if you’re winning games, you’re going to be drafting late in the first. Okay, so if you So, those top tier wide receivers you’re mentioning, for the most part, they go 1 to 15. They go really high in the draft. And maybe it’s like a new trend or something like that, but all the best corners that me and Brian and you know, draft guys and gals that that we love, those corners end up going later. Joey Porter, Tyrion Arnold, guys, um, Cooper Deene, those guys, they end up going later. Trevon Diggs was a round two guy for us. BL Bland was, you know, hidden gym. We ain’t gonna take credit for that one. No, but but it’s like although y’all did get it right on the draft show, you weren’t on part of that, but they did, that was one guy they were touting a lot on the draft show. I remember hearing that. Go ahead. Wasn’t on payroll then. But but but in my mind, yeah, you can find receivers and maybe other teams that draft high in the draft can find top tier receivers, but if you’re the Cowboys and you plan on winning and you’re in this Dak Prescott window, you’re going to be drafting in the dag on 20s. You can’t find me a wide receiver in the 20s that’s like George Pickkins. I think George Pickins is a bonafide dude. Like he’s in that lamb ilk to me. Maybe not a top three guy in the league, but he’s in that 12 to 15. Those guys are like top tier, too. I love Bland, but when it was time for Bland to be w, you know, um, cornerback one, DK Mechaf had a lot to say about that. We had to call Gilly like, “Hey, Gilly, can you please take care of this?” Or there have been times where, hey, Jordan Lewis was the best corner in our group of corners or whatever. Right. I think just me personally, I think CD Lamb having a running mate is more valuable than your cornerback room being being full of guys, so to speak. I think everything you said is absolutely right. And I and I say that because you know when you look at it though overall though that that’s the one thing this team really really needed. You know you you have this outstanding player in CD Lamb. You have a quarterback that’s very capable of getting the football but you’re just it’s just really like the whole one one trick bony situation. You know the fact that they felt like that hey we have to go and make a bold move to go get a guy and they did that. You know I mean that’s bold to go get a guy that people think oh might be a little bit of a problem might be a locker room problem. All these things like that. No, they said no, we need it’s it’s so important to us to go get a guy that could play outside. Now, what did they do in the draft? They might have addressed the situation though with with Rell and and I’m I’m saying this because I think that Rell kind of falls into the group of guys that I I I look at I look at how these these quarterbacks and and the names are the names are like we were talking about the Cooper Deans the Patrick Certan Garrett Williams is a guy that plays very high level there at at Arizona. We don’t know a lot about him. Trent McDuffy, Derek Sting Stingley. These are guys that have to line up on a weekly basis and cover these big-time receivers. But the every one of those guys I named are super talented guys. The the thing about it is though, this team needs a wide receiver opposite lamp and they went and got one. I think they and and the thing that’s terrifying to me and I’ll just say it one more time is that that that he has a great campaign, but then you’re not allowed or you can’t go and get him and keep him as part of the offense and get him going with Dak and with CD and and helping uh helping this team score. Well, just as much as this team needs a second wide receiver opposite Lamb, we were watching last season when Trayvon Diggs went down. It ain’t nice when you don’t have two, maybe three really, really good corners in this league because you will get beat up. And I do think like I agree with you. I think re Rebel can certainly make me think a little bit more about whether I would say I can do without Bland, but man, I I still believe in today’s NFL because of all the good talented wide receivers there are out there, if you don’t have a bevy of really good quarterbacks, you are going to be screwed. And I I feel like the Cowboys they stole one with Bland. To let him walk away after after his first contract, I think would be a travesty. What you got there, boy? I got I got to start doing hand signals so I can get some passion. I No, I feel it. I feel it. But now it’s my turn. Okay. I think one, we’re having this conversation way too soon for my liking. fun conversation, but I think there’s still a lot more to see of what actually develops throughout the season. I will say I’m totally with Derek and and I think at the same time, I don’t think there’s a right or wrong answer. I think both he can make a very a very valid point for both things. But with Don Blend, although you say and and I agree, you could technically find guys to be at corner, but a guy like Blend is not easy to find. Not only is he the only issue he’s had was that injury that he dealt with that kept him out and that was tough and you got to look at what the team and the defense can look like without a guy like him. He’s been such a solid guy, not a diva. You know, the some corners are very diva likeish. Um very constant and the type of guy that you want in the locker room. So that is not necessarily always something that you see all the time. And he has again that record-breaking season. You cannot forget about that. Something that the Cowboys lacked last year was the turnovers, the interceptions. Sure. And where was Blen, you know, recovering and then he got a chance to come back for a little bit and but it wasn’t there. And I’m expecting hopefully he gets back into that form. He’s shown he can do it and I think he is a gamecher for the defense. I I’ll help you make your argument here. Ag Philadelphia Eagles were clearly a different team with Cooper Deene and then Quinn and Mitchell. Their defense went from like one of the worst when it came to playing pass defense. You know, if you look at the year before and they and they moved on from Maddox and others, you know, they just said, you know, we’re not good enough. What did they do? They drafted two Mitchell and then also Deine and that made a huge difference in their Super Bowl run. So that that is if you’re looking at that side of things, you know, and I I and to be fair, like I say, I just think that to me with the investment that you’ve made in your quarterback, you better find a way to help him as much as possible because we’re going to have to get to a point where maybe two years from now where the evaluation is like and I and I’m just saying this as the evaluation and it’s not working. You know, we all go through life and we all make these plans and stuff, the things we’re going to do, but then it in two years, three years from now, we’re saying it’s not working. I want to do everything in my power. I’ve helped him potentially with the play caller now. I’ve helped him with potentially new offensive line coaches, maybe some new talent at right guard, maybe adding a receiver, but the the evaluation at the end of the day, the most expensive evaluation and the most important evaluation is who’s playing quarterback. And if I don’t have George Pickins playing out there and it’s Tolbert and others who have kind of just every year I’ve kind of said, I need this guy to improve. I need him. No, I know I got a War Daddy out there playing right now. And I I agree with the concept that if Pickkins is not going to be here, you better replace him with somebody who’s talented because I agree with they’re going to need they need two talented wide receivers. I agree with that part of it. I just think if you’re faced with, I gotta replace a top-notch corner or I have to replace a top-notch receiver, I think you have a better chance of replacing that corner. I mean, replacing that wide receiver than you do that corner in one year’s draft or in free agency. I just think there are more of them. I just think there’s a better chance you can find that guy at wide receiver position than you can find that guy corner. I’ll go flip Miami a two and I’ll go get Jaylen Ramsey. It’s fine. I think at corner I think he’s a Miami Dolphin. I think I can Steven. is he’s a Miami Dolphin. He’s a Miami Dolphin. Yeah, I think I can live without like a lock down corner. It’ll be cool to have a lock down corner, but like as long as your corner is not like that. Well, but Bland ain’t Bland ain’t a lock down. I don’t call Bland a lock down corner. Bland is a guy that can get turnovers. And not only that, he can get turnovers and turn them into points. That’s what I love about him. And that’s the thing that’s uncommon about him. You go out and try to find that guy, that’s a hard guy to replace. Even Even if he’s like a regular dear guy that just doesn’t get regular like he doesn’t like he doesn’t get picks at all. Like even he’s just a regular. Okay, cool. Just don’t get whooped. Cuz in real life, Revel may be that this year. I think highly of him as a prospect, but year one stole one there. I personally I do. I think so. But I’m thinking like year two or three Rebel for that. Like year one Rebel may just be a solid cool good corner. I’m cool with a solid a solid cool good corner. The Cowboys are going to have to play against teams that put points on the board regardless of who you got lined up at corner because we got corners and you’re intercepting them and we have we have Trevon D caught 11 picks in one year and Bland can lead the league in pick six and all that and teams will still find a way to put 30 and 40 on you. I think you need firepower to match that. That’s just my own take. All right, we’re going to take our final break. We will come back. 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Do you want to talk about what we were talking about in the off? I was about to say, are we going there? We’re not gonna go there. Not gonna go there. No, we we’re just talking about family. We’re talking about family. Got a lot of kids in the building today. Summer camp’s rolling through doing tours. So, I keep saying kids in the building. Thanks. Thank you for coming. Stand of the media and enjoy your summer camp. Um, let’s talk about a couple other observations that we had from OTAAS. Let’s go on the field. Malik Cooker, uh, he he left practice uh during warm-ups actually. Uh, was having supposedly reports he was having back spasms. Nothing serious that I that I’ve heard. Uh but that being said, I thought the interesting thing was Elijah Clark is a name that they started seeing him get some work in previous weeks. He got more work yesterday with Hooker out. Even Wany Thomas, a safety, they had him kind of working in the slot a little bit uh yesterday. Talk to me first about Elijah Clark. What have you seen from him? What kind of scouting report can you give on him because he seems to be a guy that as an undrafted drafted free agent is at least getting some opportunities. versatile player, tackler, very active in the run game, you know, kind of long, lines up everywhere. Uh, deep, strong nickel. I don’t know if he’s going to have a whole bunch of nickel in the league, but at Syracuse, they did it. Uh, pretty rangy player, active, you know, I wouldn’t put him at a one high rangy guy, but he could be like a two high rangy type guy. Cool player. Yeah, this is a guy that, uh, he’s all right. Cool player. You talk to people in the organization, usually when they go after these guys, usually when it’s, you know, when when you can, and this is one of those cases, you can actually follow the money a little bit. But here is one of the guys that got one of the larger uh signing bonuses, if you want to say, of the rookie undrafted guys. And so that told me that he’s somewhere between the fifth and sixth round on their board, what they were able to do. So here they are picking off guys that are on their draft board. I think VC gave you the right thumbnail about this kid. He looks kind of like a corner. He’s 6’1. He’s 188 the way he’s built. Uh but he is one of those guys that he does play downhill. He does tackle well. I think he saw the field pretty well. You talk about the the range and what his ability Matty Berflu is playing a little more single high with some of his stuff. He’ll play the two, but the single high uh and you could do that with this guy. So, I don’t know how much you want to put him in coverage stuff underneath the nickel corner kind of slot player. I don’t think that’s his cup of tea. But you talk about a guy that’s physical downhill and and willing to to throw his body in there and make tackles. But he evidently he’s a smart guy too because this is not the first time that we’ve seen him get work with uh with these with the first defense there. One of the first times the observations that we’ve been able to make in camp he was kind of working in. So this tells me they like this kid sat on their board at a pretty high spot to be drafted. Didn’t get it done. They went and got him. Probably a smart kid. They’re now putting him in there and seeing how much he could really learn. throw a lot of things at him and then when they get to camp you could really see what kind of player you have in him. But you start you can start just by looking at practice and seeing that and the fact that he’s been given those opportunities that’s already telling enough that that’s someone okay they they really really like because you don’t tend to see at least from my experience you don’t see that a lot a whole lot during this time of the year until you get maybe to training camp and you see more of those battles on the second team and all of that. But again, for someone that’s undrafted, which you know is not you’re taking somebody else’s spot that’s ahead of you, quote unquote, that tells you a lot that that he’s putting in the work and and I would expect and think that it also goes to what they’re doing in the classroom, what they’re studying in those in those meeting rooms that it’s from the head being smart and those also when they’re like that in the cl I’m I’m rambling here. What I’m trying to say, welcome to my world. When when the mind is there and you’re putting in the the textbook work, sure, it creates more opportunities for you on the field. It it again, it’s just the twoon two and it’s a guy that we’re definitely going to be keeping an eye on. The the the one interesting one though I think you need to look at though is with we mentioned Parsons earlier in the broadcast. Donovan Ezaraku has been playing a little bit of Michael Parson’s role at practice playing that that linebacker the rush guy that one there next I’m sorry about no go ahead but yeah I think that to me I always look and see where guys are lining up where we’re playing you know Vach and I were doing our show last night the doing all right podcast and we were talking about uh with with Elum and like it seems like that every uh practice you know that we’ve been able to watch Elum’s making plays well then okay well what’s where’s guys lining up now. Oh, rookie Earaku. Oh, wait. No, Micah Parsons. Oh, wait. He’s standing up. Oh, he’s playing outside as a rusher. They’re kind of seeing if he could take those uh those Micah Parsons type snaps and maybe if you have a situation where Micah does get tired or has to come off the field that maybe Ezrau in their mind is going to be a guy that they could plug in and play in those spots. Yep. Uh, real quick, I I also wanted to mention as a part of conversation with having with Elijah regarding Elijah Clark, um, this often happens sometimes when you get a new coordinator in, they have different schemes. And so, you’ll start to notice that some guys that may have been a part of the previous regime. Uh, maybe they they may not have necessarily the the particular skill set that the new coordinator would want. What do you know guys know about how let’s say Zimmer chooses to use safeties versus maybe how flu is you flu uses C safeties and maybe if there are any differences that we should be paying attention to as we’re watching these safeties during training camp. Yeah, a lot of single high stuff with with flu, you know, and you know, he you know, he comes from that originally he was with the Rob Ryan administration and then he’s transitioned into the Rod Marinelli who would play a lot of cover too, you know, that that we always talk about the Tampa 2 stuff, but you see if but if you look at the metrics, he’s a single high guy is what he is. So you’re talking about flu a flu. Yeah. So he’s he’s he’s at the at the at the Bears, they were doing some a lot more single high stuff there, but you know, it was it was like say with Zimmer, it was a lot of just, you know, a lot of that where he was playing the single high stuff and then he was kind of adjusting for what he had to do. So similar from the say from what they’re similar, but but more I think more even more with Flu. I think more with Flu. Flu is a ton of zone defense stuff where where Zimmer was more a lot man. Zim wanted to do everything. Yeah, Zim wanted to do everything. Luc is going to hyperfocus on on Exactly. Exactly. And see, I I think guys too, like I want to say this. I think that a guy like Wany Thomas gets a fresh breath of air with a new coaching staff. I remember talking to Mike Zimmer about this last year in training camp and ask and asking him about how he liked Donovan Wilson and Hooker and all that. He was he was really really on board with both players. But then we come we have a change in the coaching staff and now you see you know what happens. We get tender offers. We get contract offers, you get Thomas signed, you get Bell signed. That’s telling me that Flu and these guys have coming in and making an influence that way. That they like what they’ve seen with these two guys. And so now they’re going to get more of an opportunity. This might might not bode well for a guy like Sam Williams who is also in that situation. He’s trying to get healthy, but now his sponsors are kind of out the door right here. So, you know, it’s it there’s a lot going on here. Uh, you know, when it comes to coaching staff, sometimes guys go Wooh, got a new chance. And the other guys go, damn, my guy is gone. Some guys can’t get hurt. Like some guys do not have the luxury to get hurt. Like there are some veterans to where they feel like if, okay, I leave and I come back, I’ll still be fine. There’s a lot of young safeties in this room or in that safety room that are just waiting for an opportunity. And I think if they get on the field, I think it’s going to be really hard for you to get them off the field. Uh there’s a lot of guys in that linebacker room that are fighting for their life, competing, competing, competing. So, if you’re uh like a old veteran line, if Demone Clark, you’ve been on this team for a long time, interception yesterday. Yeah. And you got some guys that been drafted last year, drafted this year, some old signed signed guys signed. Yeah. Signed two guys. Some some of y’all can’t afford to miss a week here, a week there. You got to stay healthy. Yeah. I think camp no veteran day off this year. No, that’s easy for you to say. What do you mean? Those veterans like I need a day off every once in a while. Ah, not this year. Not this year. He’s on the way. One year on the way. I’ll tell you if there’s something I would like to see though, the training cramp training training camp practices, something like that. Training camp practices, you know, I’m interested to see how those are going to go, but I I really do want to see in preseason though, more veteran players play. I would like to see more of an how is this going to work? How is this going to look? You have to. I don’t see how you don’t with what you got waiting for you on week one. Zeke didn’t have made me sick. Yeah. Yeah, that’s a tough one. I just do I do think obviously this year they’re starting on Thursday night, opening the season against the defending champs. I do think that that I will be interested to see if they look at preseason. Now, part of it might just be the coach has a different philosophy, right? We got a new coach, but I I I would I would love to see I want to see how they uh address that and if they’re willing, at least give them a few reps uh as veterans because these last couple years it’s been like literally they just don’t play. I do not I do not have any any thoughts of like you know to me I look at like I was with Andy Reid and what he does at Kansas City and obviously they’ve had success there. They have Pat Mahomes and a lot of other things going for him there but there’s some teams that do that absolutely take preseason seriously in that way and get evaluations and then there’s some teams like the Rams that guy does not care about what’s going on in in in preeason. But I think I think Dallas, me personally, this is being selfish. I want to see this offensive line play together. I want to see him have a little s I want to see if Miles Sanders really can in the last couple of times we’ve had media availability. Miles Sanders has come out as a guy that’s got some juice to his game. I’d love to see him run the ball a little bit, you know, and see if in fact that we get some some blocking and some protection and and and and go that route and and kind of have a little positivity going into that Thursday night game. Yeah. Between all the new coaches and all the new players, I almost think you have to in order to just get them prepared for the upcoming season. It’s one thing we have a veteran team that’s pretty much stayed together for a year, two years, three years, whatever the case might be. Uh, but this this team feels like there’s so much newness that I just feel like it it might be necessary. I think some of the slow starts they’ve had offensively have been because they don’t play preseason games. That’s just me. All right, we appreciate you guys joining us. That’s a wrap. We’ll be back next week. We’ll wrap this thing up uh for this off seasonason, then start getting you guys ready for training camp. Till then for Botch Lombardi, Brian Bratis and Amber Garcia. I’m Derek Eagleton. This has been the break live on dallascowboys.com radio. This has been a production of DallasCowboys.com and the Dallas Cowboys Football Club. How about this?

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