Should the San Jose Sharks Trade for the 1st Overall Pick in the 2025 NHL Draft?
[Music] hello hockey fans welcome back to Sharks Territory and another episode of Frost Bitten presented by the Hockey Podcast Network in this episode we are going to react to some of the eek that is still drying in Cuda country and Sharks territory as well as address the hottest topic amongst Sharks fans and that is should the San Jose Sharks trade up for the number one overall selection in the 2025 NHL draft dominate dominate dominate dominate i did not come to play i came to dominate [Music] so let’s start off with some of the hot news this past week and a lot of ink is drying on some new contracts here including Barracuda head coach John McCarthy getting a contract extension this was uh first reported by the fourth period on X formerly known as Twitter a lot of reaction out of McCarthy being extended from Cuda country so I also want to get your guys’s um you know reaction to McCarthy still being the bench boss for the Cuda uh I’m I’m excited for John McCarthy uh I’ve gotten to know him on a personal level he’s a great guy so I’m happy for him in that sense and also I think he deserves uh to to keep going i think his first season coaching the Cuda he didn’t really have a lot to work with as far as talent goes then you you fast forward to this past season where the the Barracuda finally did have a good amount of talent on their roster and what do you know he takes them to the second round of the playoffs so I think he’s only trending upwards and I’m excited to see what he can do with even more talent next season yeah i mean you talk about uh talent i’m I’m more curious on how he’s going to do without uh potentially Ascarov and then of course Portoski um I do think it’s a good idea from the Cuda organization just because he’s been around for so long i mean of course before the coaching job he was the captain of the Barracuda he’s basically a fan favorite on the AHL level in Sharks territory yeah so I’ll go ahead and play the opposite side of that coin um I first and foremost am excited that he’s extended as you mentioned Mike um he led the Cuda back to the postseason they were competing for the Call the Cup playoffs um actually had a very strong start of the season uh to begin and to acknowledge Tyler um comment about Ocarov um a lot of that um early success in the season was because of that number one goalie prospect for the Sharks and um I know a lot of noise is being making uh was being made spec specifically for the decisions he uh had made for the roster in the postseason and I just want to say this right now i know most of us wanted to see Quinton Musty and Igor Chernoff in uh the lineup for the caller cup playoffs more often than what we had seen we only got a small sample size and I know some of you may not agree with you know um potentially honoring the players that got that club there by giving them preference on the roster spot but I’m just going to simply say this i think if McCarthy and the coaching staff for Duda thought that Quinton Mussy and Igor Shereshoff were ready to compete in this pro level in the American Hockey League in the postseason then they would have been in the lineup more often than what we’ve seen him so I’m not mad at him for his decision and the lineup and what he made and of course um you know you can’t blame the coach for not having the American Hockey League’s most valuable player in the top scorer for Duda um not available for the postseason yeah I’m right there with you ultimately I I’m in the camp of uh you know when you’re in the playoffs you got to go with the the group that got you there so I understand where McCarthy and company are coming from in not giving Shernes and Musty as many minutes i think we did see Shernav get into three games which was good to see he got his first uh American Hockey League goal and there’s only more to come so patience is the key uh I don’t question anything John McCarthy’s doing because he knows more about the game than I or probably any of us do so it’s just a matter of of what’s to come next season absolutely and um I guarantee there’ll be a lot more Musty and Chernoshoff in Cuda uniforms to start off the season by the way the Barracuda did u drop a schedule a a little sample size of schedule release of the six home games they’re guaranteed to have their home opener is October 11th so if you haven’t had a chance to you know pick up some Cuda tickets it’s going to be one of the hottest tickets in pro hockey in San Jose in the Bay Area uh this coming fall so um you know take a chance to look at their social media account at SJ Barracuda for more details on that i did mention Andrew Padulowski being absent for the postseason so let’s go ahead and transition into some big news and that being that the San Jose Sharks have decided to honor Andre Potasi’s request to um seek an opportunity outside of North America thus kind of counseling his last year of his contract for next season uh so you guys’ quick thoughts on that yeah I mean let’s face facts if Potterski can’t stick on a consistent basis on the Sharks starting lineup as the the leading scoreer in the American Hockey League it’s hard to think that there’s any other teams around the league that are going to give him that same chance so he needs to decide what’s best for him what’s best for his family what’s best for his career which maybe that means getting more minutes getting paid more i’m not sure but if he wants to play at a higher level and maybe make some more bucks then you can’t blame the guy for wanting a change of scenery and looking outside of North American hockey it’s It sucks to see him go because he did so well for the Barracuda as I mentioned uh the MVP of the regular season in the league most points on the Cuda we haven’t seen that sort of a of production from a Barracuda player in some time if at all uh but you want what’s best for the guy right yeah I mean I totally agree individually it’s what’s best for the player um but we look at his career he’s mostly been a career AHLER uh however every single season he’s been in the AHL he’s kind of ripped it up he’s kind of been killing it in there so I’ve seen uh I’ve seen Tik Toks I’ve seen reals I’ve seen Twitter all saying “Oh give this guy a call up.” But as you mentioned when he gets called up it’s not as consistent as he was in the AHL so it’s one of those where it’s what’s best for the career i mean you look at this past season he was on the All-Star team he was leading the league at points and this was his second best career season his first his best career in the AHL uh best season was 101 points with the Chicago Wolves i there’s going to be a team somewhere that would love to have him yeah i mean when you think about it this way his role in the American Hockey League as you mentioned Tyler has been a points guy he’s been a goal scorer he’s he’s gotten assists he he is a producer and when he’s not able to do that in the NHL and they plug him in on on these bottom six kind of roles that’s not the game he’s really cut out to play yeah without a doubt now I do want to just kind of throw this quote out there because um I don’t know if it’s just trying to retell the story or you know just trying to play damage control first I want to state that there wasn’t any bad blood between him and the sounds Sharks organization um as you guys mentioned you know this isn’t the first time that he’s took the AHL by storm and not being able to as you said Mike get that um call up to the main roster and staying on the consistent basis with a team that’s been the 32nd team for two years in a row that’s kind of telling right so um I think it is best for him to go to North America and try to maybe um you know retool or redefine himself and then as you said Tyler there will be a potential suitor for him if he decides to come back to North America and play hockey uh but there was this quote that he mentioned so a lot of this wasn’t surprising to us here in Cuda country Sharks territory so about a month ago in May 9th to be exact it was reported uh from the sounds of Mercury News and I quote this is Prolowski saying I can’t say enough good things about my time here at the Cuda staff they gave me an opportunity to succeed and I had a lot of good teammates to play with and help me out and do well and we had a pretty good group it was a lot of fun to come to the rink but in the same breath I’m still chasing the NHL and it was a little frustrating on that standpoint to not get a full chance with the Sharks i guess I kind of get it but I don’t agree with it i’m getting older but I don’t feel my play was has slowed down i still think we have something to prove or pardon me I still think I have something to prove and I’ve never fully gotten a chance in the NHL and I think that’s just kind of eats at me a little bit of course that was May 9th so about a month ago so this news of him um requesting to seek an opportunity outside North America honestly does not come as a surprise uh for me I would say the only thing that kind of um was not disappointing per se but the only thing that I wish I would have seen as a Barracuda fan this season was Potoski actually in the lineup during the Calder Cup playoffs sure all right so um some more ink drawing so unfortunately one contract uh ends but we have a $1 million for one-year deal given to Shakir Muk and Dulan um surprising it’s only one year what are you guys’ thoughts on this signing by general manager Mike Greer it’s a it’s a classic prove it deal uh he got into what 30 games this past season looked really good on the back half of those and then unfortunately sustained that injury to the shoulder he was showing all the signs of being a consistent NHL player but he still hasn’t gotten a full 82 game season in or even half of that so this is really like I said a prove it deal this is his opportunity to to convince Mike Greer and company that yeah I am a full-time NHL not not so different from the contract that that Thomas Bordalow got last year which unfortunately doesn’t seem to have panned out and I think as long as Shakir can stay healthy under this contract and get right back into the way he was playing prior to the injury I don’t think that we’re going to have a problem there yeah I mean it’s the way I see it it’s not more so of oh can this player stay in the NHL it’s what should what payment should we give him on what pair is he going to be long term for the Sharks that’s the way I see i think this upcoming season it’s more going to see hey can Shakir Makumulan play top pairing minutes and play at a top pairing uh defensive level or is he a middle guy or is he a bottom guy and then after that that’s where uh we’ll see the contract be adjusted absolutely i’m not mad at the contract i think it’s brilliant by Mike Greer this gives them a little bit more flexibility in terms of spending obviously the seller cap is getting uh raised so um we do have to um take consideration that maybe there are some contracts in the free agency that he’s looking to entertain uh so a $1 million one-year deal is team friendly it also adds a little bit more flexibility to keeping um a little bit more control of the salary cap situation when it’s coming down to like signing deals that may uh that are still on the table for example you have William Ecklland’s extension coming up obviously uh Silabrini and Smith were still quite a ways away but you wouldn’t want to you know have a contract um you know for an extended amount of time soak up any potential uh salary cap space that is going to be dedicated to those two young uh talents and um you know overall I agree with you guys you know Shakir Mcdulan if he can stay healthy and he could um be a top four defensive pairing I don’t see why he can’t be top two but um you know if he goes out there and proves it then I could see a better bridge deal on the horizon next season perhaps like three years maybe a little bit more depending on how um much general manager Mike Greer believes he’s going to be a part of the uh defensive core moving forward after this season so um I I love it and I’m glad that Muka Mulan is back probably one of the best trade acquisitions outside of Oscar that Mike Greer um has brought to the San Jose Sharks organization uh just want to quickly do some honorable mentions here uh the Barracuda uh general manager Joe Will did extend some offers there’s no details on these offers yet but he did sign um Anthony Vincent Donovan Hul Lucas Vanro and uh Brandon Hash or Hashe pardon me if I’m not saying that correctly u to AHL contracts for next season so u you know Mike Greer and um the Sharks and Joe Will and the Cuda are staying busy and they are you know um keeping the future teal as they’ve been saying here all season and I look forward to see you know what is in store as I mentioned earlier for Ekkan and you know we have Guushian on the table as well so uh we’ll see what’s up with that any last thoughts on the uh the ink drying here in Sharks territory in Cuda country guys now I’ll just say that I I like the resigning of those Cuda players those were good role players this past season who all contributed whether it was on the score sheet or providing a deeper role whether it’s through their physicality um you know grinding it out in the corners those those are all good uh retentions yeah I’ll just add that’s always good to not uh to add the same players as the team that just went to the playoffs um you don’t want to change it up too much and jeopardize a potential playoff uh entry [Music] the fastest game on ice just another level welcome to the Stanley Cup playoffs where legends are made and every shift can turn the tide and now with DraftKings Sportsbook an official sports betting partner of the NHL you can take every slapshot breakaway and overtime thriller to the next level new to betting on the Santa Cup playoffs you’re in for an exciting time getting started as a breeze fire up 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and that basically means you have to overpay we’re not in a position to overpay and why would we we have Celbrini number one Will Smith number four Ecklund number seven Sam Dickinson number 11 and then we’re getting number two that is going to be a Stanley Cup playoff worthy team for years to come i don’t think it’s worth jeopardizing it at all my response to that is um if you need someone to read something or view something you say “Let’s trade up.” No I’m just kidding um honestly I really think that um just to kind of echo what Tyler has said you’re going to overpay if you want to go number one overall this year um I’m fine with the idea that we get either Schaefer or Misa because we really don’t know who the Islanders are going to select number one overall you know they may take Misa and that wouldn’t surprise me one bit uh so we get Schaefer and I just think a lot of this noise recently about potentially trading up for no one overall is you know um people kind of trying to cope with the idea of potentially losing Schaefer and honestly uh with like Sam Dickinson and um I’m just going to throw out Keion out there he was um you know friend of the pod here he’s on the show uh before i think that defensively especially with perhaps some offseason acquisitions and free agency and maybe via trade that the Sharks will be taken care of um but outside of that trading up for number one overall I mean unless Mike Greer is absolutely set on being in complete control of the destiny in this year’s uh entry draft I I don’t see why it would make sense and I’m going to let um Mike I want to hear your opinion on this but I’ll follow up later with um why the Sharks will overpay by kind of breaking down the trade value of the number one overall pick sure i mean I’m probably going to echo a lot of what you guys just said because you made some really good points i mean first of all we don’t know who the New York Islanders are targeting with number one overall like you said it could be Michael Misa it could be completely out of left field and James Hagens and if the Sharks end up trading up to number one and picking Matt Schaefer it’s almost like we fleeced ourselves right like and you know to another point we have Sam Dickinson who by all scouting reports that I’ve seen everyone’s saying he’s NHL ready i I really think he is we have Luca Canyon in the pipeline um we’re more than likely going to get another somewhat high draft slot in next year’s draft which is see seemingly to be a pretty deep draft most scouts have said already that this 2025 draft isn’t particularly deep and while Matt Schaefer is a very good player you know is he going to change your organization right out of the gate probably not he’s probably not even going to join your team right away and the Sharks are looking to get better soon and I think Michael Misa gives the team a better opportunity to be competitive sooner and Will Smith who Mike Reer has said is going to go back to trying center next season if it doesn’t work out we know he can play on the wing whereas Michael Misa can step in and hopefully take that number two center spot there’s a myriad of reasons why I think trading up is a bad idea i don’t want our prospect pool to get gutted and you know I think we’re doing well on the trajectory in which things are going right now there’s no reason to to sell all you know a lot of our assets to get a guy who might be a difference maker yeah absolutely agree um I was kind of jokingly making comments about you know um clickbay-yish material and I’m not trying to designate that as this um our our episode as that i’m just simply saying we have to address it we’ve been getting a lot of our feed has been flooded with like trade scenarios some of that make absolutely no sense some including Sam Dickinson in number one overall it’s like come on um I I really think that this what I want to say i’ll just chop it like this okay last year the same people who made the noise about Matthew Schaefer this season were making noise about uh Zeve Buham last draft year and when we selected Sam Dickinson 11th overall everyone kind of was like a head scratching now those same people are praising him on a nightly basis um so I believe that general manager Mike Greer as he said before we’re not going to draft out of out of a need we’re going to d we’re going to draft the best available player right so if it’s Misa fantastic if it’s Schaefer everybody wins right but honestly I am in no um favor of trading upwards to get you know just one draft uh selection above what we currently have so on that I’m going to try to keep this simple all right there’s a lot of stats here and I will leave a link to these studies all right so one of these is from the sound of hockey and another one is from a university study based off of uh draft pick values for a couple um a couple years all right so I just want to do a visual here as far as um trading for the number one overall all right so uh this study shows the perceived projected value of a u of each selection in the NHL draft with you know the 224th being like 0.10 10 and of course the number one overall being you know 1,000 there’s a similar uh model which I’ll share with you after this from Elite Prospects and they just keep at a at a scale value of up to 100 but bottom line is you could just see right here that the San Sharks you know the value isn’t much different from number one overall and to trade upwards to get that number one overall pick we’re going to have to give them significant compensation because even if we for those of you who like to play these hypothetical trade situations we’re to give the 30th overall that we received from Dallas this season and our second overall for the number one pick we are still going to owe the New York Islanders some more compensation because the value isn’t going to equate to a fair deal uh a little little uh table that I have at the very bottom here it bas it basically says you know you see forwards defenders and goalies broken down into position and essentially what you have there is the probability of them playing more than 200 NHL games based off of the round that each position is drafted out of so you know obviously this first round they have the best odds right but the point I’m trying to get at is you know you mentioned it earlier Mike like do we even know if the um you know we’re obviously speaking about Matthew Schaefer here because that’s what the scenario is right if we trade up for number one overall it’s to get Matthew Schaefer do we even know if that young man’s going to be a difference maker and if he’s do it immediately well you know defenders taking the first round overall you know they have about a 43% chance of making um 200 NHL games so to me it’s it’s a it’s a gamble to give up you know more than multiple picks or prospects just to get number one overall um to further my point here and again I’m trying to keep it as simple as possible so I don’t lose everybody in all the advanced stats here right uh this right here is from Puckedia so this is the draft pick value calculator and as I presented here I’m showing you the New York Islanders number one overall pick that they won from the draft lottery this year and if the Sharks are to trade their second overall and the Dallas’s 30 that we’ve or 30th overall they got from Dallas as I mentioned previously you can see that the total trade pick value isn’t equating and again we’ll owe them some more compensation so you know um if we just give them two draft picks we’re still falling short of what we need to get that number overall so you’re talking about either giving up a player of of significance uh for the organization or more draft capital so I’m happy with the second overall selection and I don’t see any reason why um anyone should be talking about trading for number one overall uh if anything you know let people maybe let Mike Greer perhaps you know entertain some ideas of trading away this second overall but to me that’s something that I kind of feel strongly against as well so anyways thoughts on that guys yeah I mean I’m just going to say that the only scenario in which I want to see the Sharks trading up is moving up from the 30 spot that they also have and maybe trying to get into the top 15 maybe they package that 30 spot pick and then the Edmonton 2026 pick that they acquired in the Jake Walman trade and maybe even a sweetener of a prospect to get into the top 15 and maybe take a defenseman if they are unable to draft Matthew Schaefer yeah I mean it and worked with uh at the time the Arizona Coyotes when I believe it was Mike Greer’s first season as general manager that was one of the very first trades he did cuz it was during the draft and uh we had I think it was number 11 in Arizona just drafted up and we got a late first and we got a early second rounder so other teams can do the same thing um so I think I totally agree with that on trading 30 i don’t want to trade up to number one because as we just talked about there’s not a lot of value uh to give up all of that for the Sharks organization the long run uh it makes more sense to trade down and get all those assets for us for goodness sakes I just was watching a prospect analysis on Michael Misa comparing him to Celebrini like imagine if we had two celery type players Will Smith Ekkan Sam Dickinson Ascarov all these other prospects and guys that we currently have you know we’re we’re laughing yeah absolutely so with that being said I think we could settle the debate on trading up this uh June at the um 2025 NHL entry draft so by the way just want to quickly plug this if you’re here in the Bay Area the San Jose Sharks are still um saying that they have some tickets left to join their draft party at the SAP Center San Jose the Shark Tank so if you want to be around the best fans in the world San Jose Sharks fans um make sure you pick up some tickets to go check 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Links to draft pick value case studies:
https://soundofhockey.com/2022/06/06/examining-the-value-of-nhl-draft-picks/
https://myslu.stlawu.edu/%7Emsch/sports/Schuckers_NHL_Draft.pdf
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