Bill Simmons on people that think the Magic gave up too much for Bane: “That’s just people that don’t watch basketball, I would do this in a heartbeat. It’s 3 non-lottery picks, the 16th pick this year, and the Phoenix pick, which is the prize”
Bill Simmons on people that think the Magic gave up too much for Bane: “That’s just people that don’t watch basketball, I would do this in a heartbeat. It’s 3 non-lottery picks, the 16th pick this year, and the Phoenix pick, which is the prize”
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Am I overvaluing the PHX pick? They want to tank, they desperately want their picks back. That pick alone is incredibly valuable that puts you in every single conversation where PHX is involved. They have to get that pick back if they want to blow it up. Memphis could get in on some real action together with the Rockets in a 3 team trade scenario.
But I suck at trades, so what do I know.
the people who don’t watch basketball are the ones who wouldn’t value the 1st round picks in the first place lol
People see 4 picks and overreact. That Phoenix pick especially isn’t as good as it sounds on the surface. Also kept literally every valuable player on the roster while losing two of the most expendable.
I think two things can be true:
It’s really not that bad relative to the reality of the post gobert market. Bane deserved to be valued similarly to dudes like bridges who we’ve seen go for a lot, and he can sneak onto an all star team without it being the craziest thing in the world.
But the market is completely screwed up and picks aren’t being properly valued by GMs. If anything, the current CBA’s restrictions should be making cost controlled talent more valuable than ever.
I was surprised at how much he loved the trade after listening to the pod.
I think pretty much everyone agrees that bane is an absolutely amazing fit on their team but now they’ll be paying 3 guys near max money in a couple of years and it’ll be a slight overpay for franz and bane. That’s just the nature of the business, they’re both awesome players
And now they’re not gonna have any picks to supplement their top heavy roster. And in a vacuum the “empty the clip” trades only ever look good when you’re trading for like a top 7ish player. Like Giannis if the parties involved have any sense is gonna get traded for the same amount of picks as bane. Just doesn’t feel right
That’s what I’m saying. The magic are gonna be one of the best teams in the East. This is like their Derrick White/Jrue Holiday move to propel them into a championship contender.
I am not sure if it’s the fact people still think all first round picks are equal value or if people haven’t clued into how good Desmond Bane is.
What the deal actually was is 2FRP for Bane & 2 more to get off KCP/Coles contracts
edit: Ik Cole is an expiring so his contract is good. I only said this because regardless of his contract, he was super inconsistent with Orlando even if he was a fan favorite there
Where….where was this energy for the Rudy trade?
Suggs-Bane-Wagner-Banchero should be an interesting lineup next year. 4 guys who can all facilitate but are not true PGs
I do get it from Orlando’s point of view. If they want to start building a team that can compete they need to make trades for good players. I can’t see a Desmond Bane ever signing with the magic in free agency so why not get him in a trade? Orlando isn’t a free agent destination, they did the right thing.
Simmons has spent 2 years talking about the cap and now he’s in favor of trading away 4 cost-controlled players for someone who isn’t lol. This is the type of trade that made more sense in the old CBA.
Love BS but I can’t wait until BOS makes their dump trade soon and gets half that haul for Jaylen Brown just to hear him rant.
Agree
It likely is too much. Sure, they might not be lottery picks, but Bane himself was the 30th pick overall. Orlando is also limiting potential trade flexibility by giving up so many firsts, and there’s a lot to be said about the value of rookie scaled contracts to fill out a contending team under the new CBA. Both finals team’s success is built on value in depth.
I say this knowing that Bane will absolutely improve the Orlando Magic, and they’re suddenly frisky in a pretty mediocre Easter. But to say the picks are meaningless is just silly. This is a conversation that might be more fair for a player that really moves the needle (like Giannis or even Gobert), but applying this logic to 3rd options is just bad analysis.
I still believe in picks being great for flexibility and long term roster construction especially with a soon to be super expensive roster but with Orlando core all being locked up long term + young, the picks really aren’t THAT bad. Plus, if things don’t work out they’ll get picks back from trading Suggs probably.
If this works then the picks don’t really matter. Phoenix pick is a nice asset but we also got it for almost nothing
Idk maybe I’m dumb, or my love for Bane is still blinding me, but I don’t love this deal. KCP is cooked and Anthony is a huge question mark.
4 picks is juicy but getting 4 DVDs from the Walmart bin isn’t always gonna turn up a hit ya know.
Russillo wearing muscle shirts to film a podcast is one step above wearing shorts to a wedding.
That 16th pick could be anyone. It could even be Desmond bane
You do not know yet if its 3 non lottery picks.
Bill Should know this given how he’s talking about the celtics blowing it up and taking a “gap year” next year
an injury can change everything. trades happen frequently in this league. its a very unpredictable league right now
Basketball is a lottery, forget whatever you ever watched before just trying to predict what happends to a: game, new player in a new team, that entire teams season its a coin flip, sure Orlando can be a contender next year, maybe even go to ECF, maybe Bane doesnt fit at all, just huge decline in shoting and defense, i am in the middle, i think he will be a good addition because Magic already has 2/3 solid pieces around him, they play hard and are in East, Magic don’t need to waste more time finding a scoring option in backcourt
19/6/5 39% from 3
his worse season shooting from 3 was 38% and averages 41% for his career on high volume, he can defend and create, still young
it doesn’t sound like such an overpay all things considered
Opinions slowly shifting from all the idiots freaking out over OMG FIRST ROUNDERS
Been saying this. The only valuable asset Memphis got was the suns pick which can be really good or an average pick. The other picks will be late first rounders. KCP is now a negative asset as well so they offloaded his money.
People that are hating on this trade for the magic have not seen our shooting woes in the past few seasons.
Even a decimated Orlando team this year got the 16th pick. Those picks are gonna be at best the same but likely much lower.
The magic organization doesn’t hit on late picks. Maybe the grizz will do better w them as they hit on Bane late.
This is a win for both teams easily.
The PHX pick is actually this really complicated set of pic swaps between like WSH, CHA, PHX, and someone else, it was explained by a redditor on r/nba. It’s not as valuable as it looks on paper.
It’s more about trading a bunch of your assets in an “all-in move” for Desmond Bane where you could’ve spent them elsewhere.
Now the counter argument is they still have more pieces to make more moves (which is true) but you spent like half the cupboard on this guy when it could’ve went elsewhere
Magic probably can’t afford paying anymore first round picks anyway in a late first round. They got their crew for next 4-7 years.
He’s right
People are overrating this Phoenix pick wayyyy too much.. they’re gonna try and compete. It won’t be a lottery pick mark my words
But won’t this put them into the second apron when Pablo extension gets his extension
They gave up too much. Picks are more valuable than they used to be in the second apron era. The goal is to have lots of quality guys on rookie deals to support the stars that you’re paying big money to. Orlando may have found a great third option for their team, but how are they going to build a strong roster 3 and 4 years from now without those picks?
I don’t care what anyone says or where the picks land, five first rounders for Bane is the biggest overpay in NBA history. I mean Bane is great and I like him, but that’s insane.
I’m sure that’s what the clippers thought when they gave up Shai
Simmons again showing he knows nothing he tore apart the t-wolves for the Gobert deal which was basically the same deal yet is praising the Magic and saying anyone who disagrees knows nothing about basketball. Can his bias and incompetence be any worse?
Simmons barely watches basketball anyways, and no, having the game on without sound on your secondary TV while you watch regular steaming content with your wife doesn’t count. He’s been beyond exposed this season especially and his analysis game is a joke, it just is.