Toews was underrated. Dobson is overrated. Big difference
It’s quite amazing how in one breath they’ll blast Lou for trading Toews when his hands were tied during Covid (and he had a horrible playoff), but then demand that Dobson, who’s younger, a righty, and already has had a better season than Toews ever has, be traded for pennies on the dollar
He’s just not worth 11 million a year or anything close to that. Nobody is “trying” to make a trade happen, but you have to realistic about it. He’s been here a long time. he’s not a rookie anymore. This group is not capable of getting the job done, so change is needed.
And no way in hell Toews would be as good here as he is playing with the elite Makar.
He is going to be paid between 10-11 million for 8 years, in 3-4 years when Schaefer is ready to be paid you giving him 11-13 on top of Dobson contract?
He should have been resigned weeks ago . He’s gone by Saturday
He is a nice player. 7mil tops if others wnna trade us a ton for him, great.
how do we know we’re trading him for peanuts if we dont know the return? let the gm do his due diligence ffs.
Don’t think he’s worth 11m, I can live with 9 or 9.5 but I don’t really think he’s gunna provide any plus value at that amount. I don’t think he’s hitting 70 points again either, Lambert was giving him like half an hour a night
If they get a return like JJ and somebody else from buffalo then it might not be bad, if they get Robertson 1 for 1 then we’re winning that trade especially if he’s asking for 11 million dollars
Dobson for a return that involves Hagens and possibly young impactful NHLers like any combination of Peterka, Byram, Durzi, or Maccelli is significantly different than Toews for two 2nd rounders in a situation where Lou could’ve shed money elsewhere and not had to make the move, which also was a bind of his own making in the years given to contracts like Hickey and Komarov
Trading a right-handed, consistent double-digit goal-scoring defenseman who is still young and has lots of potential upside is the dumbest thing ever. If we (very likely) draft Schaefer who shoots left, we could have a top pair of Schaefer and Dobson. That has potential to be a top-5 D pair overnight.
He will never ever be what this next level Islanders team needs him to be, his best days are behind him. His trade value will also never be higher, get something better & move on.
Nothing wrong with holding him out there and see if a team is willing to make a big play for him. He had one really good season and last year he was not great. His value will never be higher than it is right now, Not saying to trade him 100% but if someone offers a high first round pick – hagens is still on the board and you get other capital(either another decent prospect ot further picks of value) it would be hard to turn down, especially for a new GM.
Maybe Dobson starts racking up 70 pt seasons every year or maybe he stays a 39 pt offensive defenseman who is pretty much a defensive liability on an 10 million AAV deal. The metrics from last year dont look great. Lowest shot % he has had since the covid year – 31 assists less than the year before was a -16(for what its worth) and only 12 points on the power play.
Also if you dont trade him you are probably committing like 10 million a year. With the Ladd and JGP deal coming off the books soon you are looking at 12 million in cap room just between the two of them not accounting for an increase in the salary cap. Then the next year you have Palmieri and Czikas off the books as well. You also would have 3 prospects(Ritchie, Shaefer, Haegens) all on dirt cheap deals. If you dont have to re-sign dobson this franchise will have incredible cap flexibility over the next 2 years to add another goal scorer or D man. This is a monumental opportunity over the next 3 years to really rebuild this franchise with a much younger core. Buying Engvall out also saves you 2 million against the cap in the short term for some more flexibility.(I wouldnt have bought him out this offseason but I think he is 100% not here next year)
If you have the option to trade Dobson for the pick that results in Hagens you ABSOLUTELY make that trade as long as you are also drafting Schaefer. Anyone against that has no idea what they’re talking about. Reddit is good at that….especially this sub.
Dobber took a step back last season in production, but so did a lot of the team. The thing is, he is actively taking risks to try and generate offense, something this fanbase is not used to. They’re used to Pelech / Pulock shutdown type of defense. He’s not going to be putting up 70 points in a season with that style of play. Sometimes it will backfire and lead to a goal. It’s inevitable. I think his offensive upside is a net positive to the team. I also don’t even think he’s bad defensively but that’s another conversation
Dobson is going to get $10+ on the open market. Teams will line up to sign him because
A. he has already had a breakout year
B. He is entering his prime now
D. He is a RHD.
And in 3 years everyone will be moaning when he’s a stud putting up 70 again and we are sitting here saying, “we could have had Shaefer AND Dobson right now… imagine how great our D would be.” I can see the writing on the wall.
I don’t think this subreddit is going to survive to Friday. I personally have already gone clinically insane.
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Toews was underrated. Dobson is overrated. Big difference
It’s quite amazing how in one breath they’ll blast Lou for trading Toews when his hands were tied during Covid (and he had a horrible playoff), but then demand that Dobson, who’s younger, a righty, and already has had a better season than Toews ever has, be traded for pennies on the dollar
He’s just not worth 11 million a year or anything close to that. Nobody is “trying” to make a trade happen, but you have to realistic about it. He’s been here a long time. he’s not a rookie anymore. This group is not capable of getting the job done, so change is needed.
And no way in hell Toews would be as good here as he is playing with the elite Makar.
He is going to be paid between 10-11 million for 8 years, in 3-4 years when Schaefer is ready to be paid you giving him 11-13 on top of Dobson contract?
He should have been resigned weeks ago . He’s gone by Saturday
He is a nice player. 7mil tops if others wnna trade us a ton for him, great.
how do we know we’re trading him for peanuts if we dont know the return? let the gm do his due diligence ffs.
Don’t think he’s worth 11m, I can live with 9 or 9.5 but I don’t really think he’s gunna provide any plus value at that amount. I don’t think he’s hitting 70 points again either, Lambert was giving him like half an hour a night
If they get a return like JJ and somebody else from buffalo then it might not be bad, if they get Robertson 1 for 1 then we’re winning that trade especially if he’s asking for 11 million dollars
Dobson for a return that involves Hagens and possibly young impactful NHLers like any combination of Peterka, Byram, Durzi, or Maccelli is significantly different than Toews for two 2nd rounders in a situation where Lou could’ve shed money elsewhere and not had to make the move, which also was a bind of his own making in the years given to contracts like Hickey and Komarov
Trading a right-handed, consistent double-digit goal-scoring defenseman who is still young and has lots of potential upside is the dumbest thing ever. If we (very likely) draft Schaefer who shoots left, we could have a top pair of Schaefer and Dobson. That has potential to be a top-5 D pair overnight.
He will never ever be what this next level Islanders team needs him to be, his best days are behind him. His trade value will also never be higher, get something better & move on.
Nothing wrong with holding him out there and see if a team is willing to make a big play for him. He had one really good season and last year he was not great. His value will never be higher than it is right now, Not saying to trade him 100% but if someone offers a high first round pick – hagens is still on the board and you get other capital(either another decent prospect ot further picks of value) it would be hard to turn down, especially for a new GM.
Maybe Dobson starts racking up 70 pt seasons every year or maybe he stays a 39 pt offensive defenseman who is pretty much a defensive liability on an 10 million AAV deal. The metrics from last year dont look great. Lowest shot % he has had since the covid year – 31 assists less than the year before was a -16(for what its worth) and only 12 points on the power play.
Also if you dont trade him you are probably committing like 10 million a year. With the Ladd and JGP deal coming off the books soon you are looking at 12 million in cap room just between the two of them not accounting for an increase in the salary cap. Then the next year you have Palmieri and Czikas off the books as well. You also would have 3 prospects(Ritchie, Shaefer, Haegens) all on dirt cheap deals. If you dont have to re-sign dobson this franchise will have incredible cap flexibility over the next 2 years to add another goal scorer or D man. This is a monumental opportunity over the next 3 years to really rebuild this franchise with a much younger core. Buying Engvall out also saves you 2 million against the cap in the short term for some more flexibility.(I wouldnt have bought him out this offseason but I think he is 100% not here next year)
If you have the option to trade Dobson for the pick that results in Hagens you ABSOLUTELY make that trade as long as you are also drafting Schaefer. Anyone against that has no idea what they’re talking about. Reddit is good at that….especially this sub.
Dobber took a step back last season in production, but so did a lot of the team. The thing is, he is actively taking risks to try and generate offense, something this fanbase is not used to. They’re used to Pelech / Pulock shutdown type of defense. He’s not going to be putting up 70 points in a season with that style of play. Sometimes it will backfire and lead to a goal. It’s inevitable. I think his offensive upside is a net positive to the team. I also don’t even think he’s bad defensively but that’s another conversation
Dobson is going to get $10+ on the open market. Teams will line up to sign him because
A. he has already had a breakout year
B. He is entering his prime now
D. He is a RHD.
And in 3 years everyone will be moaning when he’s a stud putting up 70 again and we are sitting here saying, “we could have had Shaefer AND Dobson right now… imagine how great our D would be.” I can see the writing on the wall.
I don’t think this subreddit is going to survive to Friday. I personally have already gone clinically insane.