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coming up on the DLS Stars podcast on this Tuesday a hockey hall of famer a couple of Stanley Cup champs they really don’t need much introduction but we’ll do it anyway ed Belffor Richard Matt Fachchuk joining the show on DLS starts right now
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while we’re reading ads
as we’re doing our ads
Eddie the Eagle himself Ed Belffor joining us live
oh by the way Ed that’s Owen and that’s Sam
i’ve actually met Ed once or twice before with the stars but it’s been a while
that mic up to you you got
already sampled the bell for spirits
sam and Luds are here and if this wasn’t enough which it clearly is we also have
live on remote another member of the 99 Cup team
Richard Mattuk joining us live on remote and apparently everybody’s drinking so I might as well have a little B for spirits
i got I got nothing to do with this huh
how you doing
i’m doing good
how about our guest over there
um everybody this is Ed thanks for coming actually that doesn’t burn
and Matty matty eddie eddie matty eddie what happened to your hair what happened to your hair delicious [Laughter] or it could be the whiskey business that apparently we may have a new sponsor for we
I mean why not right
eddie comes armed i know can you get a Can we get a closeup of things here or No
I don’t think so
how close up
i meant of the one with the Stanley Cup on it oh there you go
there you go
there you go that’s That’s the holy grail right there Ed i was I was I was telling these guys Eddie is religious about at least with Maddie and I i I don’t know if there’s others but Matty and I usually get the text messages congrats guys it’s been how many years or whatever it is matty where are you at right now in Chicago yeah some bar in Chicago drinking beer don’t Don’t just forget about the text congrats how about the 3:30 text that we get from Eddie every now and then pull it up to your mouth
there you go [Music] yeah that’s kind I I remember this was years ago Eddie how long ago was it that Maddie i don’t even know if you know this but how many years ago was it when you called me and you were going to you bought some land where I was you’re living in Little Elm how many years ago was that i can barely hear Eddie
so he calls me up we can hear you we’re working on it keep going
um by the way we’re live Matty this is not recorded it’s live um
hey buddy
right we’re good
um so anyway what I was going to say is I get a call from Numnuts over here and he goes “Hey just want to let you know I’m I’m buying five acres next to you.” I’m like “What?” And I’m thinking “That’s not good.” And he goes I said “Why are you over here?” Because he was out like half hour yet further past me and I said “Why are you doing that?” “I’m starting a whiskey business or distillery or something like that.” And I’m like “What?” And he says “Yeah yeah.” And I said “Eddie that’s kind of like putting gas on a fire.” And it was the phone was silent nothing and he didn’t say anything he goes “What do you mean?” I said “Ed think about it gas on a fire.” He goes “Oh good one L.” Like it was a little too fat for him worse
so anyway it’s been a long journey for you
it has been hey you know I look at it like my hockey career a little bit
y
I spent the first four years in the minors you know trying to make my way up to Chicago and um you know up and downs you know riding the bus in the minors and uh traveling around the world um it’s kind of been the same journey with Bell for Spirits a lot of ups and downs uh you know blood sweat and tears and um you I’m waiting for the call up oh and why don’t you take the show over by the way you ready mate don’t let Don’t let this guy run
well I I’m actually glad that Eddie brought up Chicago because I was going back and looking at some of your you know years that you were there you were in Chicago for over a decade with you know both minor league team and then big club at Did you think you were going to be a Blackhawk for your entire career at most of like at some point that must have changed but did you think you were always going to be in Chicago
100% my favorite team as a a little boy from the time I was you know four or five years old watching hockey night in Canada with my parents back when there was only six teams that was my favorite team and uh you know thank god I got to play for the Blackhawks and meet all my heroes Tony Espazito Bobby Hall Stan Makita became a Blackhawk in ‘ 87 after winning uh with Fighting Sue 40 wins eight losses NCAA champions and
where was that where was that at
the University of North Dakota fighting Did you ever go to college no didn’t have the grades for those ones no uh couldn’t couldn’t get out of grade 12 once but but were you ever recruited by a college
i was uh Walt Kyle actually recruited me um but uh I I decided to go the junior route ended up in Saskatoon Saskatchewan there and played in the Western League for four years you know what what is uh Maddie you know we’re so we’re I’m gonna have to tell you about in Bud Light here but we’re three days away from the NHL draft and we are going to be here for three hours wall to- wall in round one
yeah we a stars pick
we are doing this live folks for three hours and I’m just going to let everybody know right now I know no players i know nothing about any of the That’s not true at all
well maybe one at least one
huh you know Blake Fidler
i know but there’s We don’t know if he’s going in the first round
right you’ve heard of Matthew Schaefer
i know i’ve heard of him but
you watched a couple of guys do you paid attention in Fris when the U8s were here you watched a little of it
okay i was going somewhere with this okay this is I get so sidetracked maddie you were a firstrounder what I what I want to know is what we’re talking about and all the hoopla and this year’s a little different for the guys right i mean were you one of the guys that went to the location and all the scouts there get introduced come up on stage or did that come in after you no it was it was in Buffalo actually Buffalo is kind of a special place not that that city drives me nuts but I was drafted in Buffalo we won the cup there in Buffalo but I was one of those kids that’s sitting in the stands uh you know just waiting for your name to be called um I think I was ranked in that central scouting you know somewhere in the mid20s and ended up going eighth overall so it was a big surprise but you know like in previous years where you stand up and give your mom and dad a hug and you know they you see them crying it was a great experience for sure
did Did they come out and give you a jersey and hat and all that kind of stuff like they do now
they did all that but you didn’t go up on stage though right
oh yeah yeah
oh you did you were a big dog he was eighth overall L well I didn’t know that that policy kind of stuff was was in play i don’t know matty what year was it
oh god 91
91 okay i didn’t know that was in play so Eddie did you get to go up on stage hey I I think
the only Hall of Famer up here this is why I’m The only Hall of Famer
once he’s been on stage all right very undressed
he was He was at Vinnie’s house on stage a couple times
that’s right um I I
very undrafted very proud of that fact
i I would say so
but that’s probably who you are though
yeah it drives me for sure yeah
you know I watched the draft when I was 18 and hoping the Winnipeg Jets would draft me didn’t happen
you are from Carmen
that’s right very proud of it
so how did that work for you then Ed you don’t get drafted where what was that
by the way he’s in awe over here sam can you believe this boy
you are his favorite player
no no no it’s true right you’re his favorite player
mainly because of your antics not I mean he So true
no but I mean like Sam is a forward when he plays
sam grew up in New Jersey idolizing the Dallas or sorry cheering for the Dallas Stars idolizing
first ever NHL game was I think game three or four up there for you guys
well thank you
thank you
yeah but anyway before Lance made fun of me uh the what what’s the next step for you there
so so here’s a fact that a lot of people don’t know is I didn’t make my high school hockey team
and I played a lot of other sports so that’s how I kept in shape i played volleyball basketball even badminton
so obviously no other contact sports
well I played pretty contact in basketball to be honest with you fouled out every game so
um but no I didn’t make my high school team u stayed active i actually was on the cheerleading team you know cheering our high school yeah I was of course where where do you think all the pretty girls were right so
did you ever wrestle any
oh yeah every day you know that
that’s what That’s what the Dallas PD said too
yeah his biggest matches are with his kid they couldn’t pin me but um no seriously like um I got my chance finally in the playoffs like like so many other times um to prove myself i got called up during the playoffs when our team was down two games to nothing against our arch rivals the Winkler Zodiacs and I got thrown in into the game uh game three and um had a great game we came back and won that game he threw me in the in the net for game four won that game so we tied the series up and that was my big opportunity to show what I could do in the playoffs next year I played uh most of the games and we won the high school championship and then I got to play tier 2 hockey in Manitoba with the Winkler Flyers played there for three years um had a lot of people help me get to that point uh both from um you know my hockey standpoint and from my education standpoint uh being eligible for a scholarship that was my goal to go uh play uh division one um college hockey and I got an opportunity to play for the Sue and uh amazing uh played with Tony Herkus and Bob Joyce and a lot of great players on it murray Baron um we had great coaching staff gino Gasparini who ls here had also um and it was a dream come true uh John Marks Dean Blaze Carrie Eids our assistant coaches we went 40 wins eight losses they call our team the dream team to this day not LS’s team our team hey Matty in that vein you got a chance to after you get drafted to go to I mean Minnesota this was before the move to Dallas but then also a little bit with Kazoo was that where you first came across Hitch you know what um yeah my first year was in Minnesota i think I played you know 50 some odd games up that’s where the guy sitting next to you took me under his wing and kind of ran from there and then my next year I I showed up at training camp and uh I had a little arrogance so uh Bob Gay said he’d get rid of that and sent me down to the miners where you know Ken Hitch where Ken Hitchcock was uh was coaching little story and I know Luds knows the story is me and Hitch didn’t see eye to eye um he told me I was an arrogant little POS that said I’d never play in the thing and I told him he was too overweight to ever coach so we hit it off we hit it off really well when we got down to Kalazoo but uh you know fortunate enough uh in a bad way Mark Torty broke his broke his femur and uh and Bob Gayy stepped down so uh he called me and Hitch and said “You guys have a two-hour flight to to Minnesota going back to Dallas you guys figure it out on how you’re going to make this thing work.” Hey so there’s a little bit that you don’t know by the way um go ahead Owen set this one up set this one up for Maddie yeah the whole what was it low or something like that
oh yeah yeah yeah okay so going fast forward now you’ve played for
Yeah this after playing for a long time he gets sent
for a decade you played for New Jersey and then you had you missed almost the entire 0607 season uh was I believe it was back surgery if I’m not mistaken
and then you’re you’re trying to come back my first year in the AHL as a broadcaster was 0708 with the Albany River Rats and we crossed paths because you’re playing for the LOL Devils
and we were horrible and you guys drew really well attendance-wise at the old uh arena for the LOL Riverhawks as well but uh actually I like that rink it wasn’t big but it was perfect for what they needed what was as I was looking through that I go I get the sense that you had hockey left in your system that maybe your body wasn’t behaving but you weren’t done in your in your mind your soul about playing the game
yeah I think they they back then I think they even have it now they used to have this scouting thing called rinknet and I think my last report in l was the boat is sinking get out um but it was one of those things where my mind wanted to play um I had back surgery after my second year in New Jersey and when uh I got sent down Lou Laella because of the salary cap asked if I’d go down there and kind of just partake as a as a player coach and it basically just wasn’t there my my body couldn’t do it anymore um it kind of shut down and you know kind of tried to tried the next year in in Columbus on a PTO but just uh my body was done i think the way I played um it hurts but uh it was worth every bit of it
mattie you know that that year I don’t even know exactly how this is so Hitchcock too so Hitch had called me then and and I never told you this i don’t obviously cuz I was just talking to Owen about it but Hitch called me up and was asking me how you were doing and stuff like that and I said I don’t know how the hell he’s doing i have no no clue and he goes well I’m just wondering if he still wants to give it a shot he goes “I’m the one that brought him into the league i want to send him out of the league that he’s not.” Yeah
so I don’t And that he was where columbus then Columbus yeah it was in Columbus
yeah he was in Columbus
so
all right we have a lot more with these two in a moment here on DLS with Eddie Belffor Richard Mattuk we’re not going anywhere but you get to hear Luds do an ad read right now surprisingly enough it’s about alcohol Ed so uh it’s not about the bell for spirit but what’s up Stars fans we are three days three now three days away from the NHL draft which we will be here live as we just told you for 3 hours with our knowledge about all these young kids so we’ll see if Jim Nil and his management staff can pull something off stars have no first round pick so we’ll see what happens here uh enjoying the game the draft should be a long ride that night but it should be easy right what are you going to wear put on your favorite Stars jersey not sure what to serve your friends that’s even easier pick up some pizza and grab some Bud Light and stock up that fridge it’s going to be a long Friday night and into Saturday by the way I think we do an hour on Saturday on Saturday too
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when there’s a sponsor I switch we’re going to talk about that later but right now let’s talk about game time and you know what’s crazy about game time because I didn’t know that this was going to work as well as it did but Luds is a huge fan of the FIFA Club World Cup that’s right i know it seems crazy but he loves soccer so much and Luds can get tickets through Game Time but all of the World Club World Cup games 10% off exclusive zone deals you name it they have it plus you can get tickets to any sporting event whether you’re planning your NFL trips for the fall NHL NBA you name it concerts uh live theater standup comedy all that is available you can get last minute tickets at a discount up to 60% off buying for all of those things plus you save even more when you choose a section and let game time choose your seats that’s the zone deals they have all-in pricing you toggle that feature and so you see upfront with no surprise fees at checkouts exactly what you’re going to spend and of course it is a guaranteed lowest price or they will credit you 110% of the difference sam download the game time app today create an account use code DLS for $20 off your first purchase because what time is it game time with Eddie Belffor and Richard Matuck all right we get that we We rehearsed that stuff we rehearsed
perfect
i want to ask our Hall of Famer here
go ahead Maddie about goalie artwork for just a second if I could please
elijah do you have the photo of Eddie’s mask because we all know your mask was iconic not just when you played but throughout hockey history there’s the eagle that I believe is that the Olympic gold helmet there that is that I think but either way I’ve always really admired this helmet or your general eagle design because you can be in the last row of the nosebleleeds and they know that’s Ed Belffor nowadays the artwork on today’s NHL mass goalie mask are is incredible it’s intricate it’s really well done it’s beautiful but usually it’s so small you can’t see it unless you’re right up there so if you’re up in the 300 level you don’t necessarily know what who that goalie is whereas you Curtis Joseph Patrick Lem I love the Marvin the Martian things like that like those are easily and instantly identifiable and I’m I’m I wonder why more goalies nowadays don’t do something where you can see it from a distance was that ever a part of why you put those there or was that just uh sort of a happy accident that you have something that you can see from whether you’re close up or really far away
it was more of a happy accident uh when I was a rookie in Chicago you know I had the old helmet and cage um you know you had to make the team first and then they would you know honor you with a mask and uh Greg Harrison was the mask maker back then in Toronto and um you know after uh my third year in the playoffs uh I got called up right before the playoffs and I got my chance just like I told you earlier playoffs was always the most important time of the year and I got thrown into the Minnesota series when we were down three games to one three nothing at the end of the first period and Keenan came over and kicked me in the ribs and said you’re in there kid we came back and won that game started me the next game we won that game two tied the series up i didn’t play game seven during that series uh Greg Milan did uh God bless his soul by the way um he was a great guy u but uh we won that game seven and then played St louis second round i played all seven games we won game seven so that was my opportunity to show what I could do and next year was my you know outstanding rookie year and played I think 75 games keenan started me and uh won the vess of the the Jennings you know the Calder and everything so during that summer I got an opportunity to work with Greg Harrison and uh get a mask made for my rookie season and he asked you know what do you want and I said I I want two mean looking birds on the mask and he chose the eagle and it turned out phenomenal and um you know Kenan started calling me Eddie the Eagle so that’s where it started does when you guys get your and everybody like do you pay for that paint job or does the team take care of it how does that work
the team took care of it thank goodness and um you know it stuck and I loved it and you know it progressed into the eagle that you guys showed just a few minutes back and um in the feathers I ended up putting eagle in the feathers and that was kind of a unique thing on each side uh it’s kind of hard to see but when you see it up close it does say eagle in the feathers
that’s cool i think the team now I think they do two a year you get I think that’s what J told me you get two a year from the team and then some goalies have 10 a year and they pay for it on their own I’m guessing but so Eddie I actually played I played goalie until like 8th grade on and off but I played I was maybe 10 years old and I found a street hockey goalie helmet that was had an eagle on it i don’t know if it was for you or if it was just a coincidence i wore that in a game and I was kicked out of the game because it was a street hockey helmet that I was not supposed to be wearing
yeah you would not you it wouldn’t have felt too good if you got hit in the head with that rep you
Yeah no that was that was a Bower uh project if I remember right cooper and Bower
okay there you go
not not because you he you bagged somebody in front of the net or
No I didn’t have the blocker can we talk about that
since you brought it up
okay
mart point
the blocker the blocker for you was just such a a symbol and there’s so many of them you watch the 99 V cup videos cuz I used to always watch the 2000 video that they made for the Devils one that had your series in there how did that even come about that you started doing that and was it a rule that you weren’t allowed to and were you warned that you weren’t supposed to be doing that when you were throwing those
well you know back in the day if if you go and look at some of uh you know our games you know we didn’t have this idiotic trapezoid in the game you goalies got out and played the puck they went in the corner and we were like a third defenseman back there but we were fair game so if you go back and watch some of my old games against Detroit you saw Bob Probert running me almost you know a couple times a game and so you had to defend yourself you know that was your crease that was your area when you went out on the net you were free game so you had to be tough and you know I used to whack guys in the side of the knees and and the ankles and the blocker in the back of the neck and stuff like that um I remember getting Sandy McCarthy one time so good and then I watched the video after the game and I’m like
always picking on the wrong guys exactly always the wrong guy
oh my gosh did I get the wrong guy he wasn’t Joe Sack or anybody else it was always the big tough guys it was like “Oh shit here we go again.” Yeah no my my defenseman were always there for me you guys were amazing uh one of my uh you know I guess fondest memories but at the same time a little bit scary scariest memories was when I used to tell the guys “Hey guys uh Maddie Luds you know uh you guys blocked so many shots did it amazingly well.” And I’d say “Okay boys you know when Al McInness winds up just please move out of the way.” You know he shot the puck you know arguably at 110 miles an hour didn’t really know where it was going he had this weird you know curve on his stick and uh I used to tell the guys “Please just get out of the way.” And and of course you know they would never do that and Al winds up one one game and Luds gets stuck between me and Al and full heater high glove and what does Luds do he makes a unbelievable glove save with his hand and I’m thinking “Oh my god.”
Yo
his hand is going to be broken for sure and
that’s it right there you i jumped on top of him you know cuz he had the puck in his hand stuck in my It’s stuck
and I’m like “Loods are you okay?” Like I’m thinking his fingers are going to be just in pieces he’s like “Nope no problem.” He jumps up like nothing happened and of course after the game he shared with me he had this hole in his glove and the puck uh I think stuck in the glove right there was no padding you you blocked with the inside of your hand yeah we we used to well you know and Maddie I’m sure I don’t know Matty if you did the same thing like we had holes in our gloves and I would never let our trainers fix them as a matter of fact when we got our gloves at least I did you’re talking about in the palm
in the palm of your hand
you would I would always have that that liner that they have there and take it out right away and put the thinnest stuff in there that you can um because you know my hands were as soft as silk you know when I played
very true but but what happened looks like Maddie agrees with you lutz but what you do is you’d leave the holes in there you leave the holes in there because your fingers could come out and so you could grab on a guy’s jersey is your instead of the you know your fingers and stuff like that so um yeah yeah if I can the best I can guys say I remember Eddie looking at LS and I and I forget where it is i think we were in St louis and it was a five on three against and Eddie’s like guys just stay out of the way i’ve got this and Lugs looked at me and looked at Eddie and said “Matty and I got the bottom half eddie you got the top figure it out we’re good to go.” Yeah I remember
that was all and see he talks about Al McKinnus Matty right and there was a time there was a faceoff and I don’t remember I I don’t know if it was a playoff game or not and um and it was Al McKinnus i believe it was him he’s lined up in that that you know that slot area and and I don’t know who was taking the face off but you know you know what’s happening so before the referee or the linesman drops the puck he skates out to me and that’s what he says to me luds you take the bottom I’ll take the top i’m thinking wait a second i thought we were had a conversation here a few months ago about how we’re blocking too many shots want us to stay out of the way so I always be to be totally honest with you I always felt it was safer down laying on the ice and you know I mean because you’re not standing up you know I mean bottom line is you’re going to get hit with this much of your body you know than standing up just don’t lead with your face
well you don’t know where it’s going to go yeah you know you try to teach kids and players about blocking shots and things like that it’s it it has to be instinct to start with but you always have to
is the guy left-handed or right hand and that makes a difference on the way that you go down and stuff
matty do you have a shin pad story from Luds because it seems like everybody that knows him has something to say about his most famous of equipment yeah it’s it’s interesting because I saw the podcast he did the other day with Spitting Chicklets I think it was and talking about his shin pads and it’s funny because I actually saw him trying to cross over one day when they when they connected i didn’t know if he was still drunk in practice or it was because of the shin pads but um
both
he was uh anyway again I think Lz will talk better he did it for longer than I did but when we blocked shots we you know we learned the hard way when you got hit you did something wrong if it hurt you did something wrong and if you did it right it didn’t it didn’t hurt and you know starting with Eddie and even a guy like Marty Bodur who I played with you know these guys loved it until you actually miss it and then when you miss it it’s like oh shit they’re going to blame you but um loads of shin pads i think the best story that I’ve heard from him is when hey when the Hall of Fame kept calling and all of a sudden said you get two of them you get you get me and my shin pads and they never called again so we know how that works that’s the best one i love that
never yeah I know that was one way to meet get rid of them my kids are a little upset about that kind of have two Hall of Famers in here we have you we have Eddie and your shin pad
should be
well they’re not there though they’re They’re not there they’re They’re in the garage i’ll see them in I’ll see them in about six days from now when I get up to Wisconsin hopefully they’re
You got to wear them on the show
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can I ask a question before the Belffor spirits really start getting to me and I start talking nonsense
before you start sluring a little I’m going to need a ride
two sips i need a ride home for here no I I want to go to the 99 team like you haven’t already but the uh Matty I’m curious for you a lot of the talk around here is is how Dallas can’t get over the hump right they they seem to have a great regular season great first two rounds similar result in the Western Conference Finals so for you guys in 99 what were those moments that you thought made you were the difference between a championship team and one that fall short i just think it was our depth and our leadership like you know I think at the time I was still 26 or 27 years old but you know the leaders that we had you know we we signed Holly we had Eddie but you look back and we had guys like Lwig Keane Carbono guys that played important roles and won the Stanley Cup in Montreal and you know even starting with Bob Gamy um Hitch put us in a situation to succeed and you know we all know the stories about Hitch and his high squeaky voice and the things that he used say to us where to be honest with you this leadership group what we had with Luds and Carbo Keen or Screwy Hitch wasn’t even he wasn’t even a mention in the room these guys took control of it and we knew what we had to do and the biggest thing that I learned playing with these guys and who they are is we would never let each other down we had to do our job to make sure the guy next to us succeeded and I think that’s why we had team success and you know honestly I think unfortunately we probably should have had two or three new cups i think with the injury to Sedor the next year but previous to that where we lost Newandike against Edmonton the year before you know with this group that we had and the way Bob Gil Bob Gayy built this team we probably should have had two or three
yeah you know what Matty these guys are sick of hearing this stuff and so is everybody that’s listening to our show but um but I’m going to go there again
no way
um I I I talk about the the games one through 82 are different than you know 83 and beyond and I I think the one thing about pitch and Wilson and Jary and coaching staff and Gainy and everybody else about that is we played every game one through 82 the way that we were going to play in the playoffs and so Dallas had a little bit of a a speed bump here you know they they play an kind of you know they score goals that’s kind of the way the game is now but they had a speed bump going in i think they lost what six or seven of their last games
they lost seven in a row
seven in a row heading into the playoffs
and you know for me it’s always been about coverage in your own zone and Eddie will talk about it too i mean you know how you play in your own zone and I and I my my thing is all the time you you’ve got to play the way you expect to have success in the playoffs the way that you do in those first 82 games and I think our coaching staff and and Hitch I mean we did the same two damn drills you know every single day you know what I mean and and I don’t know from Eddie’s standpoint I mean there were times we talked about blocking shots but I don’t recall where we give up so many quality scoring chances there may not not be a lot of them but but there’s the quality ones that happen and and I think that was the the difference for me is you play your first 82 the way that you got to play to have success in the playoffs yeah I agree with that Luds in like and and for me looking back on it and you know being a free agent in 97 looking at you know the team that Bob Gayy was putting together he’s the mastermind he knows how to win and you could see that when I was in Chicago you could see the team that he was putting together in Minnesota and then that was my first choice when I became a free agent July 1 our call was to Bob Gayy we wanted to be part of the Dallas Stars i saw what Bob was putting together and he put together a veteran team that has the experience but most of all the grit okay you think back at our team during the regular season we played every game like it was our last we played defensive hockey and if someone messed with Mo or Zubie Hatch you Maddie all of us Keenir I mean we pounded the crap out of whoever did it right you remember Hatch breaking Jr’s jaw
mhm
right we had that grit we had that that camaraderie if you’re going to mess with our guys
you’re going to pay the price and that’s what you need uh to win uh come playoffs it’s it’s another level and you got to have that grit going through the playoffs to to succeed and and get to the Stanley Cup finals and then you know come finals you know we had so much confidence we had a great coaching staff um you know Bob was in that room every day with with Hitch and Jarve and Wil and and they were a a unit um that stressed defense first i remember our first training camp when uh Bob got up and spoke he said “Boys we’re going to play a system from day one and whoever doesn’t want to play that system come see me afterwards because we’ll take care of that right away.”
There were we Matty you remember we we had uh little bonus rounds right and it was uh the five game segments or 10 I’m not sure what it was five is that right but but and you you had to get to like four or five different categories
and none of them had anything to do with goals for not none of them i mean it was about shots and saves and you know goals against and you know and so it just kind of reinforced that whole concept yeah it was all about team success there was no there wasn’t one award or one dollar given out for you know who scored the most i think you know Eddie hit the nail on the head there we we played a style that you had to beat us you had to go 200 f feet and you know you think about the finals even the last two years you think about Edmonton being highflying and then you listen to Maurice’s you know post games where he built three lines to shut those two down and let’s be honest it doesn’t matter what you do the game hasn’t changed you have to pay a price to win but the bottom line is goalending and defense win championships
yeah you know and the players that we got they were glue guys like it wasn’t you didn’t go out and you know grab these high-end players it was they they were good in their own Right and what it was you know they fit into the the puzzle that you’re trying trying to build
so Maddie I’m going to give you a hypothetical here it’s game I don’t even remember what game it was now but against the Edmonton Oilers you you’re a teammate you’re on the Dallas Stars you see Roe Hints get slashed
it was game two
game two by Darnell Nurse he goes down in pain has to get helped off the ice
no no no no it was Yeah it was game two
what do you do if you’re on the ice in that scenario well I wasn’t much of a fighter because I didn’t have to because my partner was 6’5 240,000 fucking miles so uh but I can tell you I was a dirty motherfucker so um he would have got a piece of wood i can tell you that um I think I was known as the way I played that I didn’t take shit from anybody but I didn’t fight a lot but I I knew how to get in the dirty areas i knew how to you know get underneath someone’s skin or get them uh where there’s no padding and make sure they knew who we were so do you see you seem like the perfect person to ask this question to so do you see that aspect missing a little bit from this team i know it’s not the same as it was in 99 2000 but Florida’s still doing a lot of that stuff and winning championships because of it
yeah you look at Kachuk he uh he does the right things and I think that you know I love the way they played that that game seven was a real or game six was real telltale of of who the Florida Panthers are and don’t get me wrong they they have those you know dirty sobs you look at a guy like Marshaw why did he succeed because let’s be honest he’s an asshole and uh for what he did in that in that series he took it away from you know the star players such as I think McDavid only ended up one goal in the whole series where you know it it’s those are games where you’re not going to have the highlight reel you know Mike Madano to Sergey Zubof to Brett Hall it’s about getting uglies with the with the Mike Keens the Craig Bloodwigs you know your goalie and that giving somebody a blocker or you know a a high stick between the between the thighs as we know how that went with Detroit with Eddie um you got to get ugly it takes ugly to win
yeah I I agree 100% look at Sam Bennett i mean gritty gritty but still scored big goals cons winner he reminds me of Bobby Clark back in the day you guys may or may not remember the 72 Summit Series when Canada was playing the Russians for the first time
and we were being beaten badly and Harlem was their best player what did Bobby Clark do he says “Boys I’m going to take care of this.” He goes out and breaks Harlem’s ankle and they and Canada goes on to win i mean that’s something that us you know guys will never forget and you got to have that grit our we had multiple guys like that on our cup winning team mike Keane Mike Keane being one of the toughest you know pound-for-pound guys in the league you know he didn’t take any shit and he scored huge goals you know to lead us to that Stanley Cup if you remember he made some big plays some big goals against Colorado
hey speaking of big plays can we get do we got time to play the Pete thing um you want to do that first no I don’t care or do you want to do
I don’t want to cut it off
yeah let’s Okay so before we do that
speaking of the Florida Panthers Luds we were looking at something that I actually forgot that Eddie you played for the Panthers
and Luds you have a couple of things you want to bring up on that
well no no the The reason that I I saw that Eddie is because you know this year we’ve got a new goalcoring champion right or leading the pack i didn’t know did you ever play against Gobkin i mean the guy just scores from everywhere
oh yeah
was it I mean
why did he I just knew he was going to be right over there so I was already I Whoever had the puck was going to be passing to Ovetchkin so just be ahead of the play
so is that what that help
yeah of course it does
like can we get a couple shield shots here
he’s got he’s got that shot like
See this this one here Ed it doesn’t look like you’re quite over there this is Ovetkin in the white jersey a little blurry
you see the stick yeah
the stick’s in the way it’s going to hit the stick deflect and go in the net
he already knows it
he already knows it
it doesn’t
it does does it
okay well let’s talk let’s talk about that other spot over that’s his spot right
yes
why now I’ve asked a lot of people about that you You remember Ali Alme
and so I even asked Albi about this why does he always And everybody knows where it’s going where it’s coming from
so here’s the thing just
that one went in the net by the way
just Just like Holly okay holly had that quick release but he had that curve on a stick which would make the puck dip and dive and go on end ovetkin’s shot is very very similar to Holly’s
so it it just moves on
it moves it it curves it dips and dives and and when they’re that close to the net and they’re shooting it at over 100 miles an hour it’s you know
you’re almost hoping it’s going to hit you in the right spot you got to be in the right spot yes you can react to it sometimes but you got to make a great save every time
yeah you you played uh I think nine games against him
you know how many goals he scored in nine games
i don’t know
six
well he gets lucky that’s not one per game right that’s how I look at it so if you’re that play right there you see it’s coming over to him one time you’re seeing it you’re Are you seeing it at all
oh yeah yeah you see it but like I said I mean it’s coming over 100 miles an hour and it’s going to move it dips and dives and you know he shoots it so hard and gets it off so quickly everybody seem especially on the power plays everybody seems to try different things they almost there was times when they took them away is there anything that you would tell your guys or tell us and say “Listen give me this or take this.” I mean
is there anything that would help you
yeah you you know exactly what we would have done we would have you know taken that away from from that team we were playing against we wouldn’t have given that option you know we we would adjust our our defensive stuff right so that he wouldn’t get that pass
i mean So you’re basically saying let’s take at the time he wasn’t the world’s best goal scorer but let’s just take him away and let’s live with options B and C
exactly
i think they I know that they tried that right and and Carlson ends up being a a guy that kind of stepped into that place then they had to start moving him around a little bit anyway it’s even crazier now though because what you’re saying is like now watching him as a 40-year-old or whatever he is he back then watching his clips when I was watching the video you sent me he’s flying too i mean thin and fast a thin fast high highly dynamic player
your last full year in New Jersey was 0506 and he was a young emerging star how tough was it to play against Alex Ovetkin back then
he was solid like uh you know he kind of took over the role of basically what Jagger was when Jagger was at this time in his prime of you know the solidness of their bottom half of the body like they were just bulls um Alex was tough to play against because he could skate and he had a he did have a little you know dirtiness to him you know I I compared it when he first came into a guy like Peter Forsber where he played the right way um and now obviously with with his record that when he broke Wayne’s record here but him scoring goals and it’s right it’s I think Eddie said it perfectly he the puck moves where you know we could get down there and try to block a shot but once it goes by wall it’s going in the net and you know unfortunately goalie I think as Eddie can contribute to here is you can get set for but you can’t get set for where it’s going to move to and I think you know the one thing where you know Luds and Luds and I knew from when Brett Hall was out there was when when Holly looked at the net we knew he wasn’t shooting um so whenever it was going to go from say the top down to a flank from Zubie to to Holly if he was looking at the net you know we knew playing against him in St louis that he was never going to shoot the puck but when he looked at he looked off he was going to shoot it every time we have a lot more to get to and we have something that LDS has he’s been planning this for a while they wants to ask you at right after this
hey hold on i want to wait we’re going to a break this is live we do this we got to do things
you can mention the show seconds if you want to mention it
oh do you got to be okay over here
much different game you know during his era than Wayne’s okay that the so many power play i mean go back probably and count how many of his goals were on the power play
a lot
right a lot and how much room did did Ovetin get in today’s game compared to when Wayne played
i mean Wayne played during an era when guys got killed around the net i mean
Chelios would relish you know Wayne being close to the net because he could just kill him and you know he didn’t get much room so think about that and a much different game is what I wanted to make a point
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i know it’s crazy proud of you let’s talk about goalending with Ed i know this is Shocker but specifically Jakeer we have a couple of things we want to ask you about first and foremost did you hear the Otter’s better chance during this playoff run this year and what did that make you feel because we all know about Eddie’s better
yeah no that’s uh something I’ll never forget for the rest of my life you know Dallas Stars fans are amazing you know they right there 100% along the way and um you know hearing that chant just gives me chills and uh hearing them chant for Otter
the chills away
it does especially on those cold nights but uh yeah I was so happy to hear those chants for Otter um you he’s a great goalie he’s done a great job for the stars and um
kind of a franchise goalie
for sure they get treated pretty well don’t they franchise goalies yeah I think so that is a wonderful Lewig Sedwick i thought you were going to set it up but he’s going to let me do it speaking of Jake Hotinger some rather dramatic controversy at the end of the Edmonton series in the conference final and it all stemmed from the game five pulling and these postgame comments from Pete Dbor well any anytime you pull a goalie you know the there’s the reasoning is always to try and spark your group so that was the number one reason um you know uh we had talked endlessly in this series about trying to play with the lead um and obviously we’re in a two nothing hole right away um and and you know what I I didn’t take that lightly and I didn’t blame it all on Jake but you know the reality is is if you go back to last year’s playoffs you know he’s lost six of seven games to Edmonton and we gave up two shots on on two goals in a you know uh an elimination game so you know it was partly uh to spark our team and wake them up uh and partly you know knowing that you know status quo had not been working you know and that’s that’s a pretty big sample size well oddly enough oddly enough
I brought this up to Eddie last night we were talking I think it was last night whatever it was and he took a different route than I thought he would
really yeah so serious
well I mean it’s what he just said is all true
he’s just speaking the facts in the heat of the battle you know coaches make decisions u it happened throughout my career um it’s part of being a goalie we hate being pulled first off um you know I don’t think there’s a goalie out there that enjoys being pulled it it hurts to
If they do they probably shouldn’t be a goalie
right it hurts to the core but listen it’s it’s part of the game you be a pro and you support your team after that yeah of course we’re pissed off we want to be in the net helping our team win but coaches do it for those reasons that Pete just mentioned it happened to me a lot with Mike Keenan um and he did it to me in the Stanley Cup finals uh two goals i got pulled I think it was like nine minutes into the game i mean to this day I’m still upset about it and we lost uh that game badly i I think if he would have left me in the game we would have won that game i think it ended up being a shootout like 97 or something um I gave up two goals quick goals like that he pulled me but you get on the bench you support your team because it’s about winning and he’s doing whatever he thinks at the moment will help spark the team to to a win and you got to be a professional you get pulled you got to have thick skin and you get your mindset like for Keenan he would throw me back in the game sometimes so I couldn’t you know exit the game i had to stay focused and be ready because he might throw me back in there and you got to get back in there and do a good job daryl Sutter was the same way and um you know Hitch pulled me a few times too um the worst pulling I ever had was out of a two- two game
oh no
that was not fun um anyway it happens but
well let me ask you this though it’s the aftermath it’s the season’s over that’s the final game what are you expecting or are you expecting to hear from the coach the next day after the game two days later to talk about i mean
nothing
you don’t want anything
no it’s it was it’s over with and you can’t do nothing about it uh you know for me I I try to look at all the time like what did I do wrong how could I be better to help the team next time and I was always very critical of my game i go back and watch tape with Leon and and other video coaches I had throughout my career and I would always analyze how do I be better and that’s my advice to Jake is just you know look at your game how do you be better and and same with any other goalie um and that’s how I always improved every year and I got better every year to the time I you know finished my career with with Florida i was better every year luds that was when we were talking about it after game five i remember asking you “How do you think Eddie would have handled it?” And
I told him this
you said
I said he wouldn’t even leave the net
well that might have happened
you didn’t hear it
that might have happened at the moment for sure i
Matty let me ask you everything that you’re hearing does this sound like the same guy how about stop the puck you don’t get pulled it’s pretty simple
there you go that’s true
coming from a coach
do a better job
jesus Christ it’s not rocket science if it doesn’t go in the net you stay in it
that’s true
hey Matty from a player’s perspective did you ever get a lift
because a play a coach pulled your goalie when you were playing
yeah 100% it’s uh as a coach you’re hoping as a it’s a momentum changer if if it’s the right decision or wrong decision well you know what you’re going to have to live with that decision i think you know from Pete’s standpoint the poor bastard probably lost his job because of this decision but you know like Eddie said you got to be professional you go sit on the bench you do your job knowing you know what if it’s a 1-1 or a two-2 game you might be going back in i think the old school days were let’s be honest you don’t stop the puck you get pulled if you stop the puck you’re still in there so yeah
unfortunately I think the game’s changed and uh dealing with players is uh is a a lot different from what it used to be where you know the old days were kick someone in the ass to get you going is is gone i think it’s uh accommodating and accompanying what we have to do nowadays as coaches is you know try to keep everybody happy unfortunately
Matty I’m curious on that same realm if you’re if you’re a player on this team you’re afraid Lindell or someone on the leadership group and you hear not only Jake gets pulled but the goals were were wide open players breakaways are in front of the net clearly not on Jake right pete even admitted that
it’s a systemic thing
yeah but but then you then you hear Pete saying in the post game pointing fingers and saying like yes Jake did lose six of seven or whatever it was but Pete has also been the coach for all those games and the team has lost what is that reaction from you when you see the finger being pointed at a goalie who probably didn’t deserve it
yeah i think our first reaction was probably you know what we just shit on this guy let’s get our shit together and figure it out um you know it’s not just the goalie’s fault you know there’s there’s many many mistakes that happen before it even gets to the goalie you know hopefully your goalie is your last last line of defense it makes a big save when needed to but you know there’s so many breakdowns when you look at what the how they were going in and when they were going in unfortunately you know for Jake and for the Dallas Stars is they were going in early and often and it’s not just all Jake’s fault believe me it’s uh it’s a combination of a bunch and it’s it’s kind of like the old snowball effect once it started happening it just kept happening and you know what Pete did was he tried to change it u right or wrong it is what it is you can look in hindsight and say it’s a good thing or a bad thing now but you know you look at the Edmonton Oilers who you’re you’re in the Stanley Cup finals two years in a row and you don’t have a starting goalender so you know let’s be honest championships start with goalending
hey Matty I just one I want to ask you in your career do you remember a lot of the exit meetings or even having exit meetings going from coach to GM because I and I don’t remember any and I don’t I don’t know
your career
i don’t remember most of my career i don’t remember how it got here
i remember our exit meeting it was at Vinnie’s
yeah exactly i I lots I remember one exit meeting um it was myself Mike Craig and Darien Hatcher um Bob Gayy asked us to come up those stairs at the Dreaded Valley Ranch Arena there and we actually thought all you know two of us me and Mike Craig were going to go play for team Canada at the World Championships and Darien was going to go to play for USA that’s what we thought walking in and we walked in there the three of us and we sat down and uh basically he asked us if we had a drinking problem and uh that was the end of the exit meeting wow yeah those are good exit meetings
i mean it’s just it’s just so much i mean we heard in Boston you know that coach got relieved after he was told that he was going to be okay and then you know something about the exit meetings here and so I I I don’t know i don’t remember it Ed
i never had one
yeah i But they’re in control now we like to thank everybody who joined on our television platforms make sure to like and subscribe here on the pod and check out all dllls.com as we go into a little bit of overtime and we still have some things to bring up and Ed from your Florida Panthers year you had a good year there you had a good year you had a good couple years in Toronto as well i mean yeah as your career was aging your stats and your results still were very very good but it wasn’t on the decline in all in fact uh this is a bit of a digression but you actually set the Toronto Maple Leaf single season franchise record for wins phenomenal year in 0203 you had 37 wins in 62 games it was tied by Andrew Raycraft in 0607 but he played 10 more games than you did and then Freddy Anderson got 38 broke it in uh a few years ago with but he played four more games than you did so I think you still uh wins per games played i think you’re right there but
to the Florida Panthers thing
you play there i I believe was uh Alex Ald your goalie partner was there and he got hurt a couple of times and so you kind of took the ball and ran with it when you see what Florida’s done the last two years back-to-back cups because you played for them at a very different time in their franchise history what does that make you feel
oh that was definitely nice to see um I enjoyed my time playing there i unfortunately only played one year there but uh Mike Keenan brought me there a lot of people don’t know that uh he was ousted after he signed me and um Jacques Martent became the GM coach i didn’t play very many games the first half of the year and it was looking like we weren’t going to make the playoffs at all even close and Jacques came to me he goes “Ed are you ready to play?” And I said “I’ve been ready to play since the start of the season.” and and uh I think he played me almost you know every game for the second half of the year i think I played 28 games in a row hadn’t done that since I was a rookie uh with Keenan but we came within one game of making the playoffs and um I look back at that I was very proud of that i played 28 games in a row as a 42-year-old and came very close to to making the playoffs and voted uh MVP by the fans um I wished I could have played there more uh didn’t work out but uh really enjoyed my time there it was nice to see them win brian McCabe uh one of my teammates uh he’s one of the scouts there i was very happy for Brian last year and again this year always send him a note uh Dale Talon who basically built that team uh great guy that I got to know in Chicago uh he was instrumental in building those uh Stanley Cup teams in Chicago so hats off to those guys might have just answered that question but if you’re the coach of Jeffrey Skully coach the Dallas Stars how many games does Jay Cottoner play if you’re you’re choosing
well I’m a firm believer you got to play a lot and your team gets you know we talked a little bit about this earlier your team gets used to playing in front of the goalie the starter and and the the backup goalie they they play a little different and when you love your starter the coach knows that he feels it and that’s sometimes why a coach will pull the goalie the starter because he knows how much his team loves that starter and they you know look themselves in the mirror and they’re pissed off at themselves and and a lot of times they do they play harder and they want to you know make a better scenario for the for the the starting goalie i’ve seen it many of times when I got pulled the guys got pissed off and they go just play harder and they come back and win the game because that’s what it’s all about is is playing together as a team and winning as a team and I’m a firm believer you got to you can’t have two guys you got to have one guy that plays the majority of the games you know 60 plus games and you know you don’t want to overplay him where he’s tired going in the playoffs that’s where it was good for me with Hitch and other coaches I had i was playing a lot of games but they would give me practices off and and the guys knew I need
the backup go the goalie with that came in right
i remember
razer
that’s right
and Matty I don’t know about you but it just pissed me off even more i couldn’t even score on the announcer like the guy doing the calling the games you can’t bring Razer in and Razer when you look at his stats he sucked i mean it’s like a he he’s his goals against career is like something like four and a half you know and I’m thinking are you kidding me i can’t like I even told I told Hitch one day I told Gain too i said “It’s really ridiculous like you got to do this now.” I said “It’s bad enough for me.” And my
You’re saying it wasn’t a confidence boost for you
it was just ridiculous like and he’s got he had these skinny little pads and couldn’t score on him either
who’s the actual backup that year
there you Roman Turk
turkoman couldn’t remember the name and he was awesome great partner great goalie you know he he was a great uh supporter of mine and we were really good friends and you know did his job was a professional and you know supported the team you know he he kept things you know he had a good sense of humor and you need a a partner like that to have success when when you have a partner that’s a little bit of a a weasel which you know happens at the NHL level they want to be the guy or you know they you know sometimes sabotage things i hate seeing that i’ve seen it a lot of times that’s why you got to have a number one guy but your number two guys got to be 100% supportive you know support the guys support the number one guy and that’s when you have success as a team
you know Romy after we had the cup and we took it to Vinnie’s house um we had something to do the next day i don’t remember what it was and I get up at 9:00 in the morning i know my twins had to get to school i walked out of the bedroom there’s Romy sitting at the kitchen table having breakfast with my twins nobody and they’re looking at me i didn’t even know he was there i apparently I brought him home but um because he had drove his car he backed his car down the hill and it was sitting down
yeah see it it was off of Vinnie’s It was down at the bottom of of gully tow truck was there so he just came home with me but Romy was just sitting there i wasn’t speaking English but had no idea what he was saying then Roman such a and he’s exactly what Eddie said just that guy he kept his mouth you know did knew what his role was and yeah
um
first class all the way and you know I was happy to see him have some success in in St louis um you know if I remember right we we played them and I think they beat us four games to one or maybe it was four straight uh Romy played a great series and I think all of us were were happy for for Romy hey Matty when you see as LS is talking about Stanley Cup celebrations you see how Florida is really whooping it up back-to-back cups i think they’ve earned every second of it does that bring back any memories or are they all too fuzzy from what you guys did in 99 well it cost Luds and I a divorce um no there there is there’s there’s so many memories
the B word I believe so
I I think that happened when he came to Eagle he came to my hometown and bought a house there and I had nothing I honestly had nothing to do with that part of it he actually I think he tried to make up by buying a Mercedes or something like that and then he drove that into a ditch just before he even got to the house to show it to her so anyway keep on going Matty where we going with all that
kind of like the same weekend you ran my brand new jet ski into the bridge in Eagle River and we thought you died but we’ll go we’ll go on from that let’s talk about the Stanley Cup
i did totally see though i ran it into a bridge yeah I did
a bridge yeah it was on the fourth of see it coming
no I I bridge stuck trying to go under it
it was a It was a little It was a little The the seas were What does he say the seas were angry that day
they were angry that day
they were angry that day
and let’s let’s not let’s not go wrong besides knowing uh that same weekend you drove your motorcycle straight through the woods and didn’t hit a tree but we won’t get into those conversations right now we’re talking about the Stanley Cup um I can tell you the most memorable thing that I have and I think you know Eddie and I have got the picture of it is when we did win uh the whole team went left and I went right to Eddie but more importantly the other one was Luds didn’t leave the bench um and those are the things that I really remember is I went and tackled Eddie and thank God we collided midair but after Eddie and I kind of got up and we headed to where the team was LSDs was still sitting on the bench looking there going
I literally never
this really happening um so th those are the fondest memories um I think you know thank God this this show isn’t PG because we can talk about you know Eddie throwing the Stanley Cup into Vinnie’s pool Eddie dropping the Stanley Cup getting off the plane um it it goes on and on did you see that Sam about the what happened on the ice last week
oh the broken one yeah that the Panthers somehow broke the cup on the ice still not dropping it in a pool or off a plane it was still during the on ice celebration and had a huge celebration ripped off the top of it
l Do you think any L do you think anybody’s following their wives like Zubie did at the country bar
oh god what are we doing here where’s this going i was going to try to get Zubie on the show too forget it now yeah no yeah that was different um here here I just I want I want to change no I do want to say this about Florida i mean again credit to those guys are having a great time in today’s in this era to be able to win back to back it’s not easy right um but there is part of it that I don’t like there’s part of it where they’re kind of throwing Edmonton under the bus
oh yeah i mean again I’m thinking if if you’re an Edmonton Oiler you know and again you guys were you got there two years in a row yeah you got beat two years in a row by a hell of a hockey team but you will use that as fuel going into next season but I mean some of the things I don’t think they need to go that far let me ask all three of you because you guys have lived this but we constantly from a entertainment side are begging for NHL players to show more personality because that sells that drama and I only compare you to the NBA because the NBA is quite good about having off-the-court squables in the press that then stirs drama and and whatever you want to call it it it attracts fans that way there is sort of this weird hypocrisy of we all say we want more from the players we from the NHL guys we want to see their personalities we want those conflicts and then if a a player does come out of that shell and say stuff then pe some people then criticize them for speaking out i don’t like that because we want you to be entertaining we want you to to sell the game so as much as I understand Lud’s exactly where you’re coming from I don’t want to step on players who are trying to show their personality because I think that’s good to sell the game
i’m just saying towards their opponent that everything else
allowed to anymore
you know our era we we had the tough guys the tough guys had personality and then you had you know the the guys that were uh you know the the guys who got under the other team’s skin fans absolutely love that and they love when you know I’m chopping a guy in the side of the knee and and giving him a blocker they’re not allowed to do that anymore i mean if I played in today’s game I probably wouldn’t
Don’t say going to jail
well that would probably happen every game
get suspended yeah you don’t have to be playing for that
i wouldn’t finish a game i I would imagine
what are you a fan of Jordan Bennington
heck yeah i was going to say that
freaking love it love it i mean you got to have
he cross the line sometimes
no no this this is a tough rough game and it’s very intimidating that’s the history of our game you know hitting you know crosschecking you know fighting and the fans love it i remember playing in Chicago and playing against Minnesota the old Norris division you know St louis Detroit Toronto 10,000 fans would show up for the warm-ups because they’re excited to see what was going to happen at center ice and it did happen a lot of times the fans love it you know you look at the warm-ups nowadays guys are laughing
well they’re kneeling down talking to each other
talking to each other i mean if that happened back in our day there would have been a fight in the locker room you know why are you talking to the other team for sure
hey Maddie you uh were around when the Pavl Bur Shane Chura incident happened
oh I got to I’m going to let you finish that i had our GM who’s not here today and I he’s kicking himself cuz he would have loved to have gotten to be in person with Eddie here wait before you finish that that I got that video like 2 days ago it’s probably where you saw it
i took a still shot of it and I sent it to Charles literally 3 days ago and it was the shot where Charles is on his knee i’m standing over his shoulder looking talking to the ref
yeah talking to the ref
so I sent that picture to Charles and his reply to me was “Loods that looks like you and I trying to find our room keys at 3:00 a.m
see go ahead.” I was amazed after watching that that he was able to get up like that and not Bambi leg and because he got absolutely I mean it was a total shot but you drilled Beret I watching it again you got a great hit on him and then Charles came in and got a secondary hit on
I mean I would imagine the next time you played the Vancouver Conucks Matty that the fans were clamoring to see what was going to happen was sick of
hey back in those games that’s how the game played you really Oh of course we lost him right then and there
we’ll get him right back so Eddie when you watch that stuff I mean
you don’t want to see there is there is
Did the waitress knock your knock your computer off
can’t hear you
turn your sound on Matt
you think he muted his
Are you mute
matty you’re mute
he can’t hear us either can he see us you’re on mute that’s the best part
we can’t hear you are you muted
oh he just
himself again this is what overtime’s all about so while we figure him out you don’t want to see players get injured seriously because of dirty cheap shots right
there’s obviously the celebration of hits like Scott Stevens used to do which nowadays would never be allowed in the sport
there he is
we can hear him again
i don’t know what happened i got you now
all right
yeah there you are say everything you said on mute again well you guys are keep muting me eddie keeps muting me as usual no I just just quickly refresh there everybody you had to pay the piper and it goes back to if it was Charles and the beer thing or it was uh Hatch with with Ronick um Eddie’s had it right when you play the Dallas Stars you you didn’t have just one guy to mess with you had a you had a group of 20 that eventually someone was going to get you
yep exactly but you didn’t have to do that you you guys had that as a weapon in your arsenal but you also had what was it six or seven Hall of Famers i mean you were a team that could play anyway
yeah exactly and you know that’s you know credit to Bob Gayy you know Bob was a mastermind and he knows he knew he’s done it how to win and uh he put together the type of players that have that grit and you got to have that grit to win and and obviously we had a great coaching staff you know that that coaching staff is going to get you through the regular season the the veterans we had um you know but come playoffs that’s what Bob built our team for was the playoffs i’m so glad you brought up Bob Gayy because we already heard from Maddie about his uh very entertaining relationship with Ken Hitchcock what was yours with Hitch and Gainy what was your relationship like with those two guys you know Hitch he gave me the space I needed to do you know what I needed to do i I remember him pulling me in the office one day and and he’s like “Ed I I need you to practice you know every every day.” And I and and he wanted me to practice hard and I’m like Hitch you know I’m playing 60 plus games i go do you want me to be good in practice or do you want me to be good on the ice during the game and that’s when he got it and he’s he’s like “Okay I get it.” And and he would let me not practice
he Oh my god
i love the look
eddie Eddie had this subtle way of letting Hitch know on practice days that the drill sucked so we’re we’re we’re doing the a warm-up drill it’s the first drill of practice and I’m naturally not paying attention and all of a sudden I hear Hitch yelling at me which and so I had to go over said “What’s up?” He goes “What the like what what’s Mel Ford doing down there?” And I look down at the other end of the rink and Eddie’s not in the net he’s in the corner stretching and so he goes “Go find out what’s going on.” So I skate down to the other end of the rink and I lean over said “Daddy what’s up?” He goes “This drill sucks.” I’m like “What?” He goes “The drill sucks i’m not going in the net.” So I skate all the way down now remember there’s 20 other guys standing in two different corners watching Lewig skate back and forth which isn’t a pretty sight to start with so I skate all the way down to Hitch and I said “Hitch he doesn’t like the drill will you go down there and tell Eddie?” So I skate down to the other end of the rink again i bend over i said “Eddie.” I said “Dude,” he goes “I ain’t going in the net you go tell Hitch.” I go back down to the other end of the rink again i said “Hitch.” And same thing happened one more time i go down there Ed i skated back to Hitch and I said “Hitch just change the drill he’s not going in the thing.” He goes “I’m not changing changing no drill for him.” Well he’s not going in the net he blew the whistle he He I think he had the guys just change sides the same drill or something like that then Eddie skated back in the net but that’s the kind of But that’s the power that you have when you’re at Belffor right i mean and and I think Hitch realize that why does Matty keep on going in and out i’m sure his Wi-Fi at the bar is fantastic right
oh yeah bar Well it is getting close to happy hour where is he in Chicago
yes same time as us
okay
all right so anyway that that was But I Eddie you I mean again don’t head coaches for the most part realize leave their starters alone honestly
oh he’s back
yeah in most cases they do and and you know when coaches start messing with the number one goalie that’s when you’re going to have major problems
so I want to you guys can ask Matty something i want to ask you one other thing I wanted to ask you
i’ve got more for Matty too
can can you Eddie can you explain the relationship i think today probably more so than maybe in back in our day how important is the goalie coaching well as you guys know we we coached together in uh with the Allen Americans
and I was the goalie coach there and
you just told me to leave him alone all the time pretty much i mean you you let them figure it out on their own you know I was lucky i had Vladisl left Trechak as a goalie coach in Chicago arguably one of the best goalies ever to play the game how fortunate was I to have Vlatty as a goalie coach vlatty would come in you know every couple of months he would work for me work with me for a week and we work on you know drills and stuff and he was always about hard work but then he would leave me alone for a few months and let me figure it out on my own i’m a firm believer that goalie coaches nowadays overcoach the goalies they’re always you know in their faces on the ice with them that’s the wrong thing to do when you’re out there on the ice is your goalie coach you know during a game is he out there with you no you’re you’re out there by yourself and you got to figure it out there’s going to be things that happen during the games and and you got to figure it out on your own how to win and and you got to be your own best you know friend your own uh goalie coach in the end you got to figure things out and try new things and develop your game that’s what was probably one of my best attributes was you know learning to be better every year and getting better every year and that’s from being that way that’s interesting because Jay Cotton always tell talks about his embarrassment of riches he’s had the best goalie coach the best backup goalies the best starters in front of him maybe that’s hindering him a little bit maybe he does need a little bit of that on my own figure it out when it’s game three and we’re down two
i’m a firm believer in that and and you know I I went and watched video all the time and would work with Leon he always knew you know what to get ready for me i’d watched you know a little bit of tape and then he put a highlight reel for me and you know I’d watch the goals against one time i knew what I did wrong and then I would watch highlight videos of myself all the time because you got to be your own best friend okay do we have Mattie audio back again because he’s been in and out a little bit matty can you hear us okay
yeah I’m here i got you
okay uh I just want your reaction to one photo that we have and if Elijah if you would put that one up we’ve heard this story from Luds but what’s your
what do you have to say about that poster wow that’s that’s pretty good um I’m impressed um live guys
well like like you haven’t seen it before or what do you mean
what’s that
you probably still got it hanging on your wall yeah signed by every one of you absolutely it’s hanging on my wall i’d be crazy not to but uh I forget what do we used to call ourselves Luds there was a name for the five of us we had jackets made and you’d never put it on i didn’t know I didn’t know we had a team name
i did notice that Luds wasn’t wearing the leather in this one he’s got the jean vest on
he No he had the he had the chaps going he was good to go okay uh one more for you Matty and then we are running out of time but um what was it the unfulfilled hockey desire that you had from playing that got you into coaching whether it was your run with the Allen Americans the ECL Missouri then going into Prince George in the WHL and now you’re coaching the U16s like it clearly is a big part of who you are yeah it’s for me the bottom line is when you know when I retired you know I went up to Canada and then LDS LS called me and said uh you know come on down here and help me with the with the U8 team with him and Adam Robbins and that’s that’s really where I fell in love at coaching was it was a chance for me to give back uh to all these kids what was given to me um from experience and I think you know Luds has said it best is there’s not one thing these kids can do or try to do that we haven’t done so using our experience to you know coach you know from the Allen Americans to Missouri Mavericks to the Prince George Cougars it’s more about giving these kids the opportunity that was given to us and that’s that’s why I still do it today i think you know Luds and I can be drinking beer at a bar but uh the opportunity to sit on the ice with these kids and give them the the opportunity every day to be on with us and and knowing what we’ve done um gives them the chance to succeed and get to the next level it’s more about do what we say not that we did
right yeah 100%
well speaking of that is aside from your very fascinating relationship with Ken Hitchcock is there anything that you took from Hitch that you use as a coach now
well I think his uh Hitch knew every player um just not on the ice he knew him more importantly off the ice he knew exactly what we did where we went and he was taking us for coffee but he knew our families he knew what we did and I think that’s for me as a coach I’ve taken that uh you know using that experience to to know what these kids are from what their girlfriend’s names are to what video game they’re playing because I think the game’s changed and like I said before of kicking a guy in the ass and telling them they suck that they better get better is it’s not there anymore you almost have to cuddle them and make sure that they trust you and if they trust you they’re going to play harder for you
all right one more that I have if you guys have anything else for either please we uh we can make our producer be more happy about us just stretching it out but uh Hockey Hall of Fame class was announced as we were doing our show today and we have a Hall of Fame member here with us which is always wonderful but the 2025 Hockey Hall of Fame induction class will be in the builder category Jack Parker longtime Boston University coach i’m gonna butcher this in French because I do not speak it but it’s Danielle Savajo or Savo you’re more of a French speaker than I am she’s in the builder category i apologize i’m sure I butchered that jennifer Bil Briana Decker Zedeno Charara Duncan Keith Joe Thornton no surprise there and one that I think is long overdue Alexander McGillni thoughts on any of the newest class of the hockey hall of fame for anybody on the panel as the Hall of Famer
well I played with McGill so he was an amazing player in Toronto for us great guy great team guy obviously unbelievably skilled and it was a treat playing uh with Alex so congratulations to Alex and the the rest of the inductees i’m very happy for The one thing I would say about that Eddie is what took him so long to to select him well I mean there’s a lot of guys that that should be in the Hall of Fame that get overlooked i mean look at JR just going in last year very happy for him and there there’s a lot of other guys steve Lmer you know is another guy that I play with in Chicago that should be in the Hall of Fame and I’m hoping that he will you know sooner than later and um you know you just it’s it’s a tough there’s so many great players so it’s hard to hard to choose and I’m happy for Jennifer Bal uh her father Cal was my sports psychologist
wow
so great guy
why did he have to earn his money
oh I used I trust me guys I used everything that he taught me as a rookie in Chicago mike Keenan brought him in i used it throughout my career
hey so let me since we’re talking Hall of Fame and stuff and I I know I’ve asked you this before um I have I’ve asked Chel Mole um you’ve got a Stanley Cup Hall of Famer is one of them on a different level than the other well
it’s a tough question I know but yeah I mean for me ever since I was four years old I wanted to win the Stanley Cup and you know that was the the ultimate for me you know winning it with you guys and and hoisting the cup as a Dallas Star in 99 i I mean I it brings tears to my eyes you know every time we talk about it and think back about
it might be the fumes from this it might be uh those moments uh uh you know like Mattie said when Holly scored that goal and and I froze for probably the better part of 5 seconds and like did did that really just happen and it did and then Mattie skating full speed and I just started skating full I mean I think Mattiey’s right we met in midair at the blue line and we rolled around on the ice kissing one another for the better part of 30 seconds and then we were like “Hey maybe maybe we better go down to the other end.” Anyway that was
and you wonder why I was staying on the bench just watching you do it watching both sides
i mean it was amazing winning the cup
so you’re an anniversary kind of guy oh yeah
it’s 14 years now since you were part of the 2011 Hockey Hall of Fame class
yeah do you remember where you were when you found out uh yeah i think I was out for lunch here in Dallas
oh that was your whole career and uh yeah no it was I mean I I didn’t expect it because at that time I think there were only 22 uh first uh ballot choices that went into the Hall of Fame and I had had no clue and so I was the first ballader and then just what a unbelievable honor and and a huge surprise
what did it mean in your induction day uh I believe LS was telling us that you had a lot of former teammates with you there
yeah I was very overwhelmed to be honest with you had no clue what went on at the Hall of Fame weekend and oh my gosh like I I saw teammates that I played with my first year in the minors showed up and uh of course there was a lot of drinking going on a lot of celebrating and uh the one thing that came as a surprise you know you have months to get ready for it and um you know I had my speech all written out that was probably going to take the better part of you know 25 30 minutes to thank everybody body you know all the people that that you know go back to your minor hockey days in Carmen and then they tell us the day of the induction uh by the way you have five minutes up there on stage i’m like there’s no way I’m going to be able to say all this in 5 minutes so I threw the uh speech away and you know you just try and do your best and there were people that that I forgot to talk about cuz you didn’t have enough time and and um you know that’s the one thing I look back on i wish I just would have you know read my speech
by the way
we won’t have to worry about that don’t worry about it
no we’re not getting that call
and you did i I actually watched your Dallas Stars Hall of Fame speech you were short sweet to the point but you were wonderful and uh Maddie when you see your ex- teammate getting those kind of accolades and whether you’re in person or not does that feel like an extra badge or of sort of a medal on your chest knowing that you had a part to his team success as well yeah especially a guy like Eddie eddie Eddie wore his heart to sleeve and Eddie would do anything he could to make sure every one of us succeeded um and it goes back to with the decor that we had with with Eddie and Roman that we we were tight we were a tight group and you know when you see the acclimates what Eddie has done in his career and more importantly who he is as a person um like you said for LSDs and I I can tell you it brings tears to our eyes knowing we love for guys to have success and especially that we can call guys like Eddie and LS our best friends um winning never changes anything what it does is brings uh it brings families together and I can I can be honest that those two guys are two of my best friends and I couldn’t be more happy to be here and to see Eddie doing what he’s doing and uh L’s having success that he’s having it uh it brings a tear to my eye we’re we’re kind of obligated to say that because Eddie got us watches that were Eddie’s Eddie got us nice watches just for just the Dmen the Dmen
was that Stanley Cup watches
yeah oh cuz he you know won a couple Vznas i think he won four Jennings he’s got an Olympic gold medal I believe from O2 was it yeah with you up in Salt Lake City
i did have one more question for you Ed when’s the last time because I know you’re you are a uh avid hockey player to this day ls always talks about you jumping on the ice with the alumni skates when’s the last time you put on goalie pads and actually stop pucks
that was my last uh pro game in Sweden and um that was 0708
it would have been uh
the range
yeah 0708
y
and um I was with Lexan Stars and um still remember the game we were down 3 nothing after the first period and um their playoffs are a little different there it’s a roundrobin tournament and there was nothing for us we were already uh out of the tournament we lost the game right before that game one- nothing um so that put us out of the the contention um but we were down three nothing and um coach came in and just started screaming his head off at us and everything was on the line for the team we were playing against Malmo they needed to win beat us to go up to uh the um the main league back then uh which is now called the uh Swedish hockey league
yep
and um so uh he came in and started screaming at us i’m like “Where was that last game?” That’s what we needed the last game
anyway we came back and won 73
whoa
and I felt so bad for the other team but that was the last time
you crushed their promotion home yes i mean
a lot of goalies are like that though when they are done playing pro they don’t want to put the pads on again
yeah eddie was going to put them on today
that’s what I heard
right
we needed the net in the studio
with a Chiefs jersey i mean that’s one of one of my favorite scenes at the beginning of Slapshot uh that would be fun we got to do that sometime
we’ll do it we are getting the you guys have gone way too long but do you want to end with uh a reminder about the deal you had with Jim Nil about the float
oh yeah I told them all yeah Jim had finally committed that you know when these guys get their act together uh we’ve got an alumni float here uh for the parade so
they’re getting close
i But the thing is is I got to we got to make sure that that wasn’t for just this year you know what I mean got to make sure you back on again perpetuity I believe is the the phrase so
Matty’s so upset
we’ll get the band back together again
i know our float will be more fun than any other float
you want to talk about it
i don’t know how long anybody’s going to be on it but
All right well Matty’s back just in time for us to wrap up but uh Richard Matt Fchuk Ed Bell for I I can’t say thank you enough to both of you guys it’s it’s an honor to share the show with you guys mattie if you’re in Dallas come by and sit with LSDs we’ll give you the mic and let you go he’s coming he’s going to be here in October it would be wonderful for you to come in studio with us but thank you Wi-Fi thank you so much for joining us today
well guys thanks for all the opportunity love Eddie love you and uh when I’m in Dallas I’ll be I’ll be hitting you up for sure
go right home now get out of there get in your Uber and go right back to your hotel room love you too man
i’m responsible i got to uh
I got a I got an Uber waiting for me and I got to go coach again so good luck boys miss you have fun
thanks Matt you too brother eddie do you want to say anything about Belffor Spirits before we sign off
if you haven’t seen it
if you haven’t seen it already
yeah no uh of course thank you to all my fans who support Belffor Spirits and uh coming out with uh a couple new products here in the next uh month and uh look forward to uh the next bottle signing either at a specs or Total Wine come out and see me thank you very much he is the first hockey hall of famer because Razer hasn’t been inducted yet to be in our studio
razer’s in the Hall of Fame
he’s going to be this year as the foster get any bigger
well that’s great
eddie thank you so much
yeah thanks Eddie
thanks for having me guys
the Eagle Edfor alongside Craig Lewig whose shin pads should be in the Hall of Fame but they didn’t agree to his terms and of course for Sam Nestler and our producer Elijah Smith and thank you to Richard Matt Fchuk i’m in Newark don’t forget we’re back here tomorrow 2 o’clock central time big thank you to Happiest Hour and Bud Light we have a super I almost forgot the super chat by the way robert Tiffen will be on the show tomorrow in studio ken Murphy Lud you want to give us a bing bong
bing bong
super chat a uh let’s see that’s a Kyle Capo Biano in the year after the cup
it’s an Eddie
well of course it’s a bell for today we have the 9914 good
never miss a show love the Stars coverage boys it was definitely a bell for
Yeah
what we’re I’m gonna They say we’re gonna wrap ed why 20
uh that was a lot of slev treach number and so when I got traded from Chicago to San Jose I switched my number from 30 to 20 to honor him and um you know we’re still great friends to this day
and if we talk about Otter getting pulled Treak got pulled pretty notably in a pretty important game he’s still angry to this day about that
he is
thank you for watching DLS and we’ll see if Elijah’s still happy with us by tomorrow 2 o’clock we’ll be here with Robert Tiffen in studio thanks for joining us today [Music] [Applause] [Music]
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00:00 – Intro
3:00 – Ed Belfour & Richard Matvichuk Join The Show
10:20 – Ed Didn’t make high school team
24:30 – Ed Luds Story
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49:05 – Ed Reacting to Jake WCF Game 5 Pulling / 51:00 (After Audio)
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1:28:40 – Matti on Eddie
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9 comments
THE EAGLE
Fantastic show! Love the guests we get for the podcast! Keep up the great work!
Eddie!! Still thankful for that 99' cup, much love Ed Belfour! 🤘🏼
Matty looks thrilled haha
Great to see Luds in his element with old teammates. But holy shit hearing bar noise in the background the entire podcast was brutal 😂 new producer eh?
awesome show!!
What a collection of badassery.
Matti seems like a total tool lol
Let's get Matty in the studio next time so we can hear him better. Love the show.