Are the Colorado Avalanche in on Nikolaj Ehlers? | DNVR Avalanche Podcast

Are the Colorado Avalanche in on Nikolaj Ehlers? | DNVR Avalanche Podcast

Heat. Heat. Welcome in to the DNVR Avalanche podcast. We were just live for like five straight hours, but we have our actual podcast to talk about day one of NHL free agency. I’m not going to say nothing happened today. There’s a decent amount of stuff that happened today, but uh the market may be a little bit clogged with Nick Eer’s not yet signed. He said he’s going to take his time holding up parts of the forward market at the very least. Uh the Colorado Avalanche didn’t really do much today. Internally, they extended Parker Kelly on a four-year $ 1.7 million per deal. I think we’re all pretty fine with that given that it’s not very expensive. Not going to sweat too much about it. Uh the only other move they made was signing some AHL defensive depth and Ronnie Atar. I don’t know how to say his last name because it’s me. I don’t know how to say anybody’s last name. That’s it. So, no real additions to the NHL roster for the ABS today. Uh, we’ll talk about that. We’ll talk about some of the other moves that got made, but just initial impressions so far for the ABS. Well, I’m going to answer Chuck first. You’re not hallucinating. I had a different shirt on earlier. I just took a quick shower after the four or five hour stream we had and then I’m going right to the airport right after this one. So, to be at development camp live tomorrow. So, that’s it. It’s a brand new showered guy with a new shirt. So, you’re not hallucinating. Um, as far as the abs are concerned, yeah, I mean, got a little depth for the American League, right? Obviously, they needed to do that. Took care of some RFA, uh, not RFA, but to be UFA next year, Barker Kelly, right, extension, which was great deal of business. Um, and again, I think everybody’s just been saying that maybe a little bit of a log jam. They’re on Eers. If the ABS are in on it, like it sounds like they might be in on it. Uh, or even if they’re not, then they’re on on something else, but the Eers is holding up stuff. So, I think that’s what you’re seeing right now. Um, other than that, yeah, some some contracts around the league that again, probably crazy, you know what I mean? Uh, that the Azurn aren’t going to be in on obviously German to the Islanders. as related. Good job. Good. Awesome for him. Um and uh Lingren, right? People would have lost their brain if he would have signed here for four and a half, I think. Um even though I like him.
I mean, there would have been a rant, man. Yeah, I would have not been happy, especially
there would have been a real Yeah, I would have had a real problem with a four four the Josh Manson deal for Ryan Lingren. He’s not as good as Josh Manson. So, I would have I would have struggled, man. So, I’m happy that Seattle did it because Seattle likes to make a mistake every July 1st. They’re easy to make. It turns out they’re easy to make.
So, good. Very true. K, you can at least say that the ABS haven’t made any mistakes yet today. Got that going for you in your bag. Um, well, I mean, Parker Kelly at four years, 1.7 million. The 1.7 million with the cap blowing up the way that it is is probably pretty small, but didn’t we just watch Colorado make this mistake with Miles Wood a couple of years ago? There are a few differences. Parker Kelly has center wing versatility. Parker Kelly is great in his own end and not good offensively. For a player in a checking role, that’s what you want. That is more of the uh balance that you the the the the tendency that you’re looking for out of a guy that is in your bottom six. He fit in very well with your team. When he played wing last year, he was much better than when he played at center. But you’re still tying yourself to depth players and you’re talking about I mean Eric when we were on our stream Eric was mentioning that last last season when the ABS traded for uh Mackenzie Blackwood that he had said you can get a Nikolai Kovaleeno anywhere. The same is true of Parker Kelly. So signing him to a four-year deal sort of feels unnecessary. And would that four-year deal not have been available to them next summer? They needed to do this now. I know whining about the timing like that is always kind of hit or miss in terms of does this make sense to do, but it just seemed like an odd thing for it to be at the front of their business. Uh, and also just those are the those are supposed to be some of the most costefficient spots on your roster. And when you pay a guy like that, you lose that ability to kind of turn over the bottom six of your lineup on a regular basis. And do you not trust your pro scouting anymore? Like what is what is the urgency to continue to lock down members of your bottom six? What’s Jack where’s the Jack Drury extension? Is he not Is he not a priority? Are you going to give him another one for four years? Yeah. You going to give him a four-year extension, too? And like it I just it just seems like a little much for me. I’m not going to throw a chair over it. It’s it’s fine. 1.7 isn’t killer. Like, it’s it’s fine. It’s a couple thing. First of all, Jack is an RFA at the end of his deal. So, not in a hurry to get that done. Little bit different. But
true.
I do think it’s a little bit weird that the ABS are giving so much aggressive term at the bottom of their lineup. They did it with LOC, too. And I get LC is the mayor of Denver and you want to keep him and all of that, but it is a little bit weird. I will say four years is a lot less than six. If age too,
if Miles Woods, the age was the point that I forgot to to make there. Much He’s much younger.
Yeah. it. Even if Miles Woods deal was just four years, at the end of it, you’d end up you’d be dumping two years instead of four that the ABS ended up having to dump. Um, it’s still weird. It’s still long. I just don’t know that it matters that much. Like, if if things go poorly and you end up having to bury it, it’s on your books for 700K. Is that really that big of a deal? Maybe. Maybe it matters, but it’s not quite the same as as Miles Wood’s six years and two and a half million if it doesn’t work out. Um, it’s also the only thing the ABS really did that meaningfully impacted their NHL roster in any way, which is not a lot. Uh E, you kind of mentioned it. It feels like, and this is not exclusive to the AS, but a lot of the forward market in this free agency is milling around waiting for the top to fall. Now, Granlin did end up signing uh 3×7 in San Jose or in Anaheim, rather, sorry. Um, so that that market piece did fall, but it seems like there’s a lot of teams that might be in on this ERS thing and then we’re going to see a scramble of secondary options once Eers makes his decision. Yeah. And again, that’s why I was saying, listen, maybe they are in on it. Um, or maybe they’re not and the secondary option is player X, right? I don’t know. But that’s why I would still go get a guy like um Belchce. You know, I still believe that I don’t think Kir is is a realistic get. Uh meaning I I do believe he’s going to get priced out and then you know I mean then you’ll be searching for stuff, right? You know what I mean? Like trying to patch up things. So go get him right now. Go get my guy Grizzlig that I’ve been saying the whole time on the show there on the stream. um protect yourself that way and then doesn’t stop you from doing anything else. And if you are in on kneelers or if you are in on something else then you’re still there. Uh Pelchce will be 800 guy. I mean that’s that’s what he’s going to be at, right? It’s it’s just what it is. Unless he’s getting that somewhere else again. I would think he would want to come to the avalanche. Again, what do I know? Uh, but I deal with that first and I still in on the rest and I I feel better if I do get shut out. You know what I mean? So that’s what I would do next.
Well, and you can see where that secondary winger market is kind of stopped up because of Eers because Eers hasn’t made a decision. Pew Sudter hasn’t made a decision. Now, Pew Sudter can play center. So, that might be, you know, separate entirely, but Jack Rosavik, Victor Olivesson, Andrew Mandre, Pani, Anthony Bavilier, those guys all might be landing with teams that are trying to sign Nikolai Eers today. So, that you can see where that market is kind of like running into that log jam there. There weren’t that many really solid players to begin with. Um, a lot of those guys have signed, but the Wings especially are still sitting out there and you’re saying, “Okay, well, teams that want Eers and don’t get him, then what?” I also think that that’s where the avalanche come into play because teams that want Eers and don’t get him. Hello, there’s a very nice young man in Colorado named Martine Neas. if you so choose and want to pay very heavy price, boom, he could be that fallback plan for some teams. And Colorado, instead of committing themselves to a bunch of things, they’re they’re hanging out right now. They’re seeing what’s going to happen with the Eers market. So, both uh both Colorado being in on it, both Colorado being a fallback plan for teams that don’t get Eers.
A major difference though, we all know that. major just in case people don’t get confused. I know you’re not confused, but to go get like you said Marty Party, you’re gonna have to pay a price to get to get you free, right?
And that’s the difference, you know,
big time.
It I think there’s two portions of this conversation. One, we can walk through the steps of Nick Eers. Sure seems like the ABS are part of that conversation at this point given that they haven’t made any moves for forwards on the day. Uh but another side of this that comes into play is the ABS probably want a defenseman and there really aren’t any
high quality ones in free agency. Right? There was Gabricov. He signed in New York pretty early in the day and the rest of the Dclass wasn’t super high quality and you saw a lot of it dry up very very quickly. Pretty much all the D out there that aren’t like unqualified QO type guys got snapped up except for I guess Grizzlick is the one that is is still out there. But with a thin Dclass like that, if the ABS are looking to improve in a meaningful way on the defensive side, that’s probably not going to come through free agency is the point that I’m getting at. Whether whatever a trade might look like, that might be their path to success on the defense. Yeah, I think it’s going to have to be because right now you’re looking at the guys that are still in free agency on the defense. Matt Gres, Brent Burns, Demetri Yorlov, Ryan Sudter, David Sevard, Alec Martinez, Zack Jones, Mark Dela,
retired, Yan Ruda. Okay, Savard retired. Great. That’s one more name off the list. Calvin Dhan, Jeff Petri, Travis Hamick, John Merrill, my guy. Anybody uh anybody really jumping at any of these names yet? I guess Pierre Olivier Joseph is down that list. Eric Johnson’s on that list. Oliver Schillington, Jack Johnson, Petri’s gone.
Old dudes and unqualified guys is what this list is.
Yeah, like washed guys and unqualified and and unqualified guys. Yikes. Yeah, it’s it’s not great out there. Um, even even if you are looking for a Well, Puck Media needs to update their list if Jeff Fri is also gone. But these are like these are not guys that you’re jumping up and down for. These are not difference makers for you. Now, you’re only looking for a third pairing guy. In theory, you’re only looking for a third pairing guy, but you would like to have a you would like to feel better about that third pairing. And the problem with getting some of these guys, you know, a guy like Zack Jones, I like Zack Jones. I’m intrigued by Zack Jones. Very sy to Sam Molinsky. That’s not going to be a hard pairing to play against. They’re going to be good with the puck, but not hard to play against. So, this is why I keep saying John Merrill’s my guy. Boring, steady, reliable, cheap, good on defense. It’s an option, an option that we’ll see play out. And as much as I would love the ABS to do their things right now, this second, I do expect this to probably be a slower free agency for them as pieces fall into place one way or another. But we’ll get into that a little bit more. We do need to take our first break of the show here. So, let’s make sure we’re hitting that before we do anything else. Um, yeah, it’s I don’t know if you want to call it the eer sweep stakes or wherever, but let’s not talk about the easy conversations. Look, if you are in the market for a mortgage, but you’re not just a normal worker like me, I get my salary, I get my W2, it’s easy. If you have some more complicated stuff, like maybe you’re a business owner, that’s where Cake Mortgage comes into play. Traditional lenders love W2 forms and things like that. It’s very simple, very straightforward. But if you’re a business owner or maybe a creative professional contractor, tech entrepreneur, you have a bit of a different source of income. It can be difficult to set things up in the right way. By maximizing legitimate business deductions and expenses, business owners can reduce their taxable income, keep more money in their business, but that also means their tax returns show little income. And most lenders don’t understand this type of complex income. So they get denied for home loans and refin refinancing. Cake mortgage, on the other hand, can get business owners approved by validating your cash flow through bank statements, certified profit and loss statements, and business tax returns. So head to the link down in the description below to get started with Cake Mortgage. Cake Mortgage Corporation Equal Housing Lender, NMLS number 1734623, licensed in Colorado by the Division of Real Estate. Terms and conditions apply. That way you can get your mortgage as business owner. There you go. Giant on screen. Go to cakehome.com or call 1888 eat cake. And once you got that set up, you also got to make sure you’re smelling good, chilling, and vibing with life. And that’s where Mando comes into play. Mando men’s deodorant brand that’s focused on keeping every aspect of your body smelling fresh and clean. Yes, every aspect. belly buttons, balls, butts, cracks, grundles, pits, whatever it is, Bando has you covered with their amazing scents like Bourbon Leather, Clover Woods, Mount Fuji, and Pro Sport. They’ve got something for everybody. And of course, you can go check them out today. Uh, highly recommend. You know, some days you sit on uh the couch all day and watch free agency and you you get a little smelly, so you got to jump in with Mando to avoid that when you’re done with the day and you got to go out to dinner. Nando has the starter pack, perfect for new customers. It comes with four products, including a solid stick deodorant, a cream tube deodorant, and two products of your choice. Whether that be mini body wash, deodorant wipes, or many of their other products, it all comes with free shipping, and you can get $5 off with the code DNVR for new customers. It’s essentially 40% off your starter pack with that DNVR code over at shopmando.com. That’s sop-do.com. Please let them know we sent you over there with that DMV code. You know, helps us out a little bit. Smell fresher, stay drier, and boost your confidence today from head to toe with Mando. Second period of the DNVR Avalanche podcast. So, look, the ABS do still have work to do. However, however that math adds up, and I think the first conversation we have to have here is we are operating under the assumption that the ABS are at least in the conversation for Nick Eers. Yeah, let’s say it works out. We get we get through a couple days. Eers ends up signing in Colorado. What’s the next step for the avalanche there? Well, the first the the next thing that you do is you find and I’m sure they would have an idea
plan in place. I’m cool. Yeah.
Yeah. for for what they want to do with NIS because they’re the idea of going after Eers who’s both older, less productive, and more injuryprone than Martine Dress while having the same postseason malaise uh throughout his career. You’re you’re talking it’s that’s not the greatest sell of Nick Eers those things but if they sign Nick Eers for you said what let’s just say 8 million uh then Martine Netus is making more than uh is is going to make more than 8 million on his next contract. So the ABS would be saving money long term on that guy that So like that’s the that’s the point, right? And then you use NIUS to as as a trade piece to try and go find a younger defenseman u in prime defenseman, somebody that’s already signed uh at a price that they’re comfortable with, a team that’s looking for wings. You don’t necessarily need a tip top pairing defenseman because your top pairing is already there. You would obviously love that. You would love if you could trade Martinez for Hampus Lindholm or Thomas Shabbat. That would be great. That would be a great and and those are just guys. This isn’t me saying anything. Those are just those are just
the defenseman you like here, right? And the thing that so that’s that’s the next plan. Like that would be your that would be your next step. And then after that you would get you would decide you would look and see where your you know where your team is and then okay whatever you’ve traded natures for a defenseman maybe another player maybe a pick whatever what how much money do you have left at that point because you’ve signed dealers and now you’ve traded away n just a 6.5 million for somebody else’s money we don’t know who it is so we don’t know what that money looks like then you that’s when you start going out and you filling out your roster with the Mason Appleton, Yo, Kibby, Justin Brezzo types.
Yep. That would be the next step. Yeah, well said. Well said. How about How about on the side note, how about Ryan Mloud? Four times five. Jeez, that’s a lot of
Yeah, great deal. Great deal.
I know you like them. So,
except for it’s Buffalo, so it’ll be a disaster class because it’s Buffalo. So anyway, uh,
Brazo signed. Brazo signed. Ho. Yeah, Brazo did just sign Pittsburgh. There’s some deals still rolling in obviously, but
come on, man.
I like I like them. I like them.
Let me let me ask you this because as we were talking about this on the live show, this was a thing that I saw come up a few times. Is there a world where the AS can get Eers and keep Nas or is that just untenable? I think that that’s the world where hold on I have to have the number in front of me just to get an idea of where they’re at. They are at sorry 7.55 they would have to get dealers more at like six or seven million which 6 million seems comically low.
Yeah. Even honestly. Yeah.
Yeah. Well and 7 million that would give you $550,000 to fill out the rest of your roster. That’s gonna be hard. So, you would have to make more moves. You’d have to move out Ross Colton. Honestly, it would probably just be Ross Colton because then you’re going out and you’re signing multiple of Anthony Pollier um on like like one year $1 million deals. You’re just like filling your roster, the bottom of your roster with those guys, John Merrill, etc., etc. Okay. I So yeah, I it would be very difficult. I if the ABS do end up with dealers, I just don’t see how he and Nate just both fit in the lineup.
Well, just look at roster spots. Just look at roster spots. So you got
Landy and Natushkin, you know, like on the wing, you know, on that second line. Then you got Leky and Nous. So you’re going to sign healers to play on your third line at that price. I mean, I imagine the plan would probably be Lucky drops down to the third line in that scenario, but but you know damn well he’s not playing there. He’s gonna make his way up because it’s just
Yeah.
coach is going to put him there, right?
I get it. So then you have an issue.
So now you’re playing on the third line again. I go back to my burger ice, right? You know what I mean?
Yeah.
And you sign a guy and then it’s oh the production’s not there. I know. Then the guy’s unhappy and you know that’s the fit. where where do I again that’s if there’s no injuries, right? But still sometimes there are no injuries and that’s why you got to look and
Yep.
So that’s why then the players like why would I sign there then?
You know what I mean? I’m not signing there to go play on the third line.
I’m going to get thrown tomatoes at me for my eight million a year. They’re going to be throwing tomatoes at me.
The fans are going to want me to leave or you know what I mean? So I’m just that’s that’s kind of where it is. Not even just numbers. It’s it’s question of fit, you know, like how do you keep both? I don’t know.
Yeah. And well, and and the conversation around Eers and why he would be intriguing to the Avalanches because stylistically he’d be a wonderful fit. He would be a wonder the way that he plays with speed, his transition game, his rush offense, all of those things. He would be a fantastic fit in how the Avalanche like to play.
But with Natus in tow, less of a fit. some syiness starts to crop up at a certain point.
Yeah. Well, you’re gonna have two of these guys that disappear in the postseason and then what what’s the plan? You’re going to give NASA $10 million next year to extend? You’re going to run this back? No, you would need to move Nas. It would make zero sense to sign Nick Eers and not move Marty Nas. It would make zero sense. The other question I would have is what does this tell Marty Nas that you’re like this is your big plan that the cat’s out of the bag, right? They they could be all shadow games and sneaky. Oh, this is what we’re going to do. But now the cat’s going to be out of the bag. They tried they tried with Nickers. If they don’t sign him, then they have to turn around and have extension conversations with Nas. And Nas is going to be like, “Thank you. 11.5 million.” And the ads are going to be like, “We wouldn’t. No, we’re not doing that. Yeah,
we we offered Miko Ranton in 12 and he said, “No, we’re not going to offer you 11 and a half.” That’s crazy. And it would be crazy. That would be a crazy number for Martinez, but you’re going to lose leverage because he knows that you’re trying to replace him now. Yesesh.
Yeah, they would be a spot.
This is big giant balls from the Avalanche front office to try and get this done. dishes. Because if it doesn’t work out, you’ve got pieces. You You still have to continue to build your roster, but also you’re going to have a pissed-off Marty Nus. That’s not a good place to be. True. Exactly. If it hits, the decisions are a lot easier to make. If you miss, you might have some tough decisions ahead. Put it to you that way. Um it it becomes tough because the ABS are in the central division, right? So, you know, there’s going to be four teams that do absolutely crazy everything they can to to try and build a winner. Not necessarily just through free agency, but through the season at the trade deadline, all those situations. What I will say is though, looking at what happened today, there aren’t very many teams in the Central so far that you can legitimately say made themselves better. At least teams that you expect to contend. Sure, San Jose at the bottom, whatever. Not too worried about that. But when you look at the Central, all Dallas really did today was what? bring back Ratifaxa uh
and go over the cap
and then are over the cap as of today. I guess you know St. Louis made a couple of moves. Did they really make themselves better? Up for debate. Uh Utah probably made themselves better. They’re I mean if you count the JJ Peter thing, they’re definitely better for my money. They’re definitely better. So that are we really settling in on Utah as the team in the central that made themselves better and that’s it. Yeah. I mean adding JJ Peter is a it’s a good move but you lose Nick Vad and you add Brandon Tanv. Okay. You had Vanichek in the net, right? You know as a backup. Um I mean they got I mean no they lost Josh Don an up and rising guy. They lost Gerling, right, for their their D. Um, again, this is the team that they’re going to have to do it when it matters, right? This is it’s been years, so you have to do it when it matters. So, this this the year you would think so because they they have no choice, right? So, at some point, it’s funny to have 62 draft picks and great. That’s what But you got to win, right? That’s that’s that’s how you get judged on. Not how many draft picks you got, but are you in the dance and are you winning rounds, right? That’s what gives you longevity in this game in the front office. So that’s where they’re at. Um yeah, they probably got better. I agree with you. I mean, that’s that’s a fact, you know. So I would have to give them that. On paper, they got better.
Yeah. Okay, cool. So So Utah got a little better. Did Winnipeg? No.
Did Dallas? No.
No. So, for the record, Colorado also hasn’t because their forward depth has kind of been blown apart and they don’t have a third pairing defenseman,
but that’s kind of holding surf with the other top teams,
right? That I’m saying, yes, Colorado didn’t really do anything today. But when you compare that to the rest of their direct competition, they’re not in the aboat out by themselves in the ocean here. There’s a bunch of teams in the central trying to figure it out and and take that step into this next season of who’s going to be the contenders. Well, I think we know who the contenders are for the most part. I don’t expect that story to change very much in the Central, but who’s going to fire the the big salvos in free agency of making the next step in the arms race.
In the in the central, you’ve got Colorado, Dallas, Winnipeg, and Utah, I think, are the the four best, right? I would
Minnesota. Minnesota I would put right at right with Utah. I think the top three continue being a wild card team. Sure.
I think the top three have separated and then I would have Minnesota, Utah, and St. Louis is like that next tier and then Nashville and Chicago suck. Fair enough. I would I don’t think I would argue with that. So on that front, yeah, I don’t think the ABS not doing a ton feels all that bad. And obviously if Eers happens and it changes the way you feel about things, but
definitely I think this also extends out to the rest of the Western Conference. LA has spent a bunch of money and
outside of Vegas
arguably are they better?
Well, and even even Vegas, look, yeah, they have the they they got the money to do the Mitch Marner thing, but they had to give up Nick Wah, which they can live with. He’s like a third fourthline center for them, I think. fourth line center for them, which he was way overqualified for, but he was also really good. But also, they lose Alex Petrangelo, their top guy on the right side. And when you go through and you look at their defense, Shay Theodore is great. Noah Hannifin is great. Braden McNab is great. Those guys are all lefties. One of them is either going to have to move over or they’re going to have to or they’re going to have to play Zack Whitecloud
at the top of their defense as on the right side like Petrangelo. Losing Petrangelo really blows a big hole in that defense. So that’s that’s a step that’s a
I Mitch Martner, Alex Petrangelo probably a step forward, but in terms of what they where they are now after the move is done, their center depth isn’t as good as it was, which is where which was fantastic. And they don’t have a top pairing right-handed defenseman, a top pairing guy to play on the right side of their defense. And if they try and play Theodore and Hannneathan together, that hurt badly hurts their defensive depth. So you’re still looking at you’re still looking at the teams that are out west and saying, “How much better is anybody getting?” Sure. I think that’s fair. LA did stuff today. I don’t know that it made them better, but they did a bunch of stuff. Uh Edmonton is kind of in a cat bind. We saw them lose some of their depth pieces today. It’s just a it’s it’s been a tough market, especially on the defensive side. You’re talking about Vegas missing those pieces. The contracts defenseman are getting in this free agency are aggressive. I I’ll say it that way. They’re aggressive. We’ve talked about the Lind Grind deal, but even someone like a like a Nate Schmidt got over three million. Like that’s kind of the world we’re living in now. And a three-year deal.
Yeah. Who’s that now? Nate Schmidt.
Nate Schmidt.
Oh, no. Schmid. Yeah. I thought you were saying somebody in chat was saying Keandre Miller got paid.
Yeah. Miller just signed seven and a half by eight with Carolina. Yikes. Yeah. Right. That’s crazy. I’m telling you, the D market especially prices are
huge commitment. So
yeah, this is a big resetting of the defense year going on. I mean, we knew something was up when Nick Haye got five and a half million. It was like the warning shot of like, oh, watch out. Yeah, that’s the guy with the tornado meme of here it comes. Okay, no one. We’ll move on.
No,
it’s fine. Someone out there knows what meme I’m talking about. But all this to say, the West feels like it’s in a weird spot where are there still good teams in the West? Absolutely. Did anyone really win the off season in day one of free agency? It doesn’t feel like it. At least not in the West. So,
yeah,
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four and a half million for CC and four million for Duman. And you gave CC four years and Den Duman three. The CC thing is
Yeah. Ken Holland number one. If he goes to a team and he signs Cody CC to a big deal. That’s what he does. Uh well, we tal we talked about though. We was Graov. Oh, 7 million. That’s weird. LA should have given him that. It sound like he answered that question. I was just reading. Um he said players have choices when it comes to UFA. You know, so guy wanted to go to New York and that’s probably what it was.
You know, he just wanted to go in the east to New York. So that’s it. I mean, they probably offered him 75 and he’s like, “No, I’m going to be a Ranger. I want to live in New York City.”
I I know Gabricov they probably weren’t going to be able to sign, but just to hammer this home, would you rather spend $7 million on Gaov or $7 million on Cody CC and Brian Dumlan? Well, they spent $8.5 million on those two. So
I I know that’s what I’m saying is like it’s even worse than that.
Give me Gabberov, but also yes, the Eric’s point is well taken. The player has a say in this. And when the player decides he wants to go somewhere, well, hi, you got to do something. And this was a bad class. This just seemed like the the year not to do this. But when you’re LA, certainly with the
Kopitar is 37,
Dowy is 35. Are you just going to say, “Well, it’s a bad year for defenseman. I guess we’ll try again next year.” You know, like what do you do? So, they tried they’re trying something. For my money, this is a more expensive version of what Dallas did last year with Leouchkin and Dumba and now they’re paying that price. So, now they’re going to get to next year and they’re going to go, “Hey, wow, this predictably didn’t win us a Stanley Cup. This was kind of a problem. What? Well, well, now what are we going to do with these contracts? These guys aren’t very good.” And other teams are going to be like, “Oh, do I want to strap an anchor to my salary cap for you?”
No, no, thank you.
I’m actually feeling pretty good. No, thank you. I mean, I guess I guess you could always call Columbus and see what’s up, but no, it’s just kind of a strange decision from them, honestly. Just a strange couple of decisions. When they wake up tomorrow and realize they made a terrible mistake, San Jose has got to get to the cap floor still, so that’s always an option. Just throwing it out there.
Yeah. Well, and and similarly, their first round nemesis, Edmonton gives away Arvdson, and I’m like, okay, there, you know, there were rumors that they wanted Brock Besser. There were, oh, are they going to try and bring back Perry? Are they going to try and bring back Conor Brown? Gone. Gone.
They lose all They lose out on all those. None of those guys. So, now they’ve got $4.5 million of cap space, and what are they doing with it? John Gibson’s been traded. Jake Allen’s off the market. What? Where are they going? I don’t know. There’s a rumor that they were interested in Elvis, maybe, but And this is the same Oh god, that’d be fun. This is the same kind of thing that we’re talking about in Denver right now. Okay. Well, they opened up cap space. They’ve got a little over $7 million of cap space. What’s the plan with it until they actually spend some of that money? Patience. Yep.
Patience isn’t fun,
unfortunately. Yeah, Grizzl. Could be. That could be what the ABS decided to do. We just don’t know yet. It’s uh it’s spot. I Okay, let’s let’s take a look at the forward grouping a little bit because regardless of the Eers thing, pretty likely that the ABS need at least one bottom six forward, whether that’s a third liner, it seems like that’s the spot that needs to be filled. Do we have guys on the list? Are there is there anyone you would hone in on as a depth forward for the ABS that you would really like to see them take a run at? Yeah.
Well, you can go Yeah. You can go like Bollia type or you can go upandcomer type pelchier. You know what I mean? Like I think one will be cheaper than the other. I’m giving examples, not necessarily the players themselves, but um and and that’s why I’d like to go towards the the under a million guy Belche, you know what I mean? Because of those reasons, you know, I mean, because it it’s got to be a roster spot. Somebody will be there anyway. So, and we all know that egos-wise, none of them are ready, give and take, right? Well, we’ve talked about that before. So, let them develop. You know what I mean? The Pashave and you know all that the right way. You know what I mean?
Yeah.
So, that’s why for me it’d be Pelchce. For me, two guys who didn’t get qualifying offers that I would want I’m disappointed aren’t Davs already. Nikolai Kovaleeno and Jacob Pelchce. Those are two guys that I would want to bring to Denver. They’re young. Kovaleeno’s 25, Peltier is 24. If they fit, they work great. You could you can keep them and you can build with them. And that’s
And they’re cheap in the immediate. Yeah, they’re cheap in the Exactly. Like that’s and and I think both of them would be solid third liners for you. Those are those are the guys that I would be looking at right away. And you know, you and I have long loved Arthur Kellv. We had this conversation already. So
we did.
I’m good. He’s not coming. Yeah. Not not worried about that, but he can score. Absolutely.
I mean, guys, if they don’t have uh if their markets don’t develop and they’re willing to take million-dollar or less deals, um Mason Appleton and Yo Kir, Michael Carone, Anthony Povier, those are all guys that I would have conversations about. I wonder defensively. I wonder about Dimmitri Orv. Evan keeps saying that he’s heard he’s going back to the KHL. I trust Evan when it comes to the KHL especially.
So So that’s Yeah, that’s I’m I’m going to believe him, especially with the moves that Carolina has made today. That sure looks like a team that is operating like Demetri Oran’s not coming back.
Yeah.
But I wonder I mean I wonder about that guy. So until until we know exactly what he’s up to, that’s going to be an eye I’m kind of keeping a guy that I’m kind of keeping an eye on. Well, and this is the reality of where the ABS are with the cap. Moving beyond the whatever happens with Eers and Nas and all of that, the fringes of their lineup, the edges of their lineup, the AS have to find some cost efficiency, right? It at a certain point you have to be able to get guys on the cheap. We talked about why, you know, maybe the ABS could have made a different decision than committing to Parker Kelly because you can find guys in your bottom six that will Yo, Kivir is a perfect example. Who’s who’s the ABS next Kivir that can come in and outperform the contract that you put him on?
Belche.
Yeah. Yeah. I do. I do.
Do you want to talk about opposite guys though? Pelchce and Kimmy Rotha. Kimmy Rotha no puck skill but is going to give you a full effort on defense. Peltier pretty much the opposite. Can give you some flare with the puck but who knows everywhere else. The the common thread between them though the the common thread is the effort.
They play hard. Yeah,
they do. True.
I love I like Kibby. You guys know that. I make fun of Kibby, but I like him. So, but I I I would like new blood. fresh blood, you know, pelchier to come in there, you know, like a little spunk smile, get in there. I do believe he’s there there’s something there. And again, I’m I’m trusting my buddy Snowy here on this one. You know what I mean? But I just think that that’s I think there’s something there. I really do. As we settle into I can we really call it I mean silly season started the other day, right? It didn’t make it to
Yeah.
free agency. Silly season started early. But as we continue through silly season, will the ABS continue to do the pattern we’ve seen over the last couple of years? Reserve a million a million five for a guy that might still be floating around in August. Are we looking at timelines that long? Okay,
they should. Yeah, they should absolutely keep some extra money around. They There’s no need at the moment. There’s no need for them to go out and spend right up to the cap limit. They can they can hang out for the first time in years. They’re not worrying about LTIR. They have LOCC’s LTIR if they need to if they want to. Yeah.
Yeah. They can mess around with some of that, but at this point, they should plan that LOC’s uh LTIR money gets spent like on a like an extra depth guy and it’s just kind of hanging around just in case like they don’t need they don’t need to me to mess around and go all the way up to uh the cap line cap line right now. There’s just no need for it. Yeah, I would agree. I just trying to give angles for why it makes sense for the ABS to continue to be patient. As much as everyone wants them to do stuff and we all want to freak out and go crazy, uh it might not be the most pertinent thing to do if you’re the Colorado Avalanche. So, we’ve seen them have success. We’ve also seen them miss on some of those like Titar didn’t work out but it’s not a you shouldn’t be surprised if the ABS keep some space and are interested in some guys that end up going later in the off season. Um the frankly when we were talking about Nick Eers and the log jam and everything. I mean Kibby Ra is exactly the kind of guy that like hey the ads might be like hey we love you. We want to bring you back but until we have all of this money settled we aren’t comfortable committing to it. And he could just be like cool. I’ll wait.
Call me when you got the number and we’ll see.
Yeah. Exactly. You let me know and then I’ve got some backup options. He’s not going to be top of anybody’s like must have list right now. He’s a classic like wave two free agency guy. Yep.
So, you know, like they they I think we’re going to see a whole rash of signings whenever the Nicker’s thing. Yeah, he that domino will set off a chain reaction for sure. I am confident. But what what was the Keandre Miller sign and trade? What was the trade? Yeah, I didn’t see what they got back for. Yeah, we still don’t know. Um,
seven and a half or whatever.
Yeah, rumor had it that it was going to be close to an offer sheet price, so probably a first and a third. What is it? Seven and a half or eight and a half. What is it?
Yeah, seven and a half.
Seven and a half for eight years.
Eight years.
Yeah. Yeah. That’s what I’m saying, man. I like Keandre Miller and even I’m like Oh my god, that’s a lot. So, you know, responsib. All right, new plan. ABS content team. Are you listening? End of the year, you walk Kale Mar into a room and there’s just a giant like posterity check up on an easel, right? And you just give him a marker. and he just writes down a number on that check and you just go, “Okay.” Yeah. So, basically what they did with his first contract after the ELC,
but this time you make a a whole thing out of it. All right. Turn it into a game.
Yeah. Boy, I tell you,
I don’t I I Chat Chat brings up an interesting question. Which contract is worse, Proverb or Keandre Miller? I mean, does does it Columbus had to spend so much money anyway? Like, no. I don’t know. Ask again.
All right. So, we agree. All bad.
Yeah. One of them will work out better than the other. Maybe.
I don’t know which one.
Yeah, both bad. Both feel like bad money today. Today. Yeah. I mean, there really weren’t that many good money con. Like, if you look at the guys out there that I wanted for a real number to for Colorado, I would say Jonathan Duan who signed four million for two years with the Island. Nick Pervix who signed just under three for two years. Such a good deal. And other than I guess the Bug’s dad deal was what 175 for two years. That would have been fine.
They’re also a good deal.
There aren’t a whole lot more than that that I would have really really loved for the ABS to do. Uh yeah, I would have I understand why, but um I would have liked the move that they made for Arbitson. A fifth round pick for him. Um I like and then Mikey Asamont 1.45 for two years in Boston. I really like Mikey Asamont. So, you know, and it sure looks like this is the going rate for getting multiple years on these depth guys all of a sudden. So, those are deals that I would have been pretty comfortable with. Uh, Boston also had arguably the worst deal of the day with this Tanner Jano deal.
That Jano deal is bad. It was so bad.
You thought two and a half for six for Miles Wood was bad. How about Tan Jano for 3.4? I don’t even like the Yokiu deal that they got the 3×3. Yeah. What does he do for you? What is he good at?
Like he’s a good good skater.
I like Foo’s question there. It’s a legit question. It’s I’ve never looked at it that way till I just read it.
Of the four majors NHL players get paid the least. You don’t generally hear overpay in most of the other leagues as you do in the NHL. Why is that? That’s because most of the other leagues don’t have a hard salary cap in the way the NHL does. So overpaying a guy just means it costs you more money. Uh it’s somewhat untrue in the NFL. NFL does have a hard cap, but so much of that money is not guaranteed that you just cut a guy and it frees up a ton of space. So,
yep. When you sign a contract in the NHL, that’s your contract. And the mechanisms for getting out of it are pretty damning. They’re it’s pretty it’s a punitive system if you make a contract mistake. So, when you hear overpay, it’s usually like, hey, this is a mistake that you’re going to pay for down the road.
Uh, and then the NBA has the world’s most complicated salary cap. I have no idea. And I think all baseball players are overpaid except for the ones in the minors. Just
give shows deferred money to all the minor leaders. All right.
Straight up. Uh but yeah, that’s even the NBA, which the cost of overpaying guys essentially just means you pay a luxury tax, which yes, you have to pay more money, but you don’t get caught with these contracts and not flexibility or lack of flexibility, I should say. You can continue to make moves in these leagues because in theory, you could be the Dodgers and spend two billion dollars on your roster and nobody can stop you if that’s what you want to do. Yep.
For sure.
So,
true. Which I I do think it’ll be an interesting adjustment that how however this salary cap works in the playoffs starting not this year but the year after next. Another loophole closed. What will the NHL figure out to uh to avoid that? We’ll see. Um, yeah. I I don’t know that we have a ton else to say. I know we have like eight 10 minutes left in the show, but the ABS just haven’t done most of their business yet. So,
yeah,
it’s it’s still wait and see season, I suppose. And as AJ said, win or lose, the the next thing that you expect to trigger reactions is the Eers deal. So yeah,
knowing our luck, he will sign in the middle of dev camp on Thursday or something and we’ll have to scream. Yeah, I mean family sports.
That’s That’s what it sounded like today. I That’s what it sounded like, right? The representation said, “Nah, we don’t expect anything today.”
Um God, I hate when Oh, I hate when people do that. Bugs me.
You really don’t like this? What is What is the deal? Oh, it just bugs me. It’s not that complicated. You’ve had a few months to think about it. You know, it’s not complicated. That’s a fair point. And we all know tampering happens. It’s not like the market opened at noon and this was the first time that Eers had heard from repres like the representatives of of organizations.
So there’s a Canadian team like he’s been like let’s say Toronto. Then there’s an American team like you know Colorado and then there’s like okay where do you fit? I mean, does it really take like 52 days or,
you know, to think about it?
It takes a long time when you’re bidding $1 at a time. Okay. He’s got to call up Toronto. They say 8 million1 and then he calls up the ABS and they say 8 million2. That’s what they’re doing right now. It started at 6 million this morning and they’re just their way up. Yep.
Look, a million takes a long time to count in. It takes a long especially when you’re calling all these other teams. It just takes time, guys. It’s tough out here. Um
yeah, it’s Let me ask you guys this more broader picture. We’ve seen NHL free agency going this way for a long time now where the hype cycle hypes up all these guys and then June 29th, June 30th, a bunch of dudes on the hype cycle end up staying in their buildings and and staying with their teams getting signed or a trade gets made before they reach free agency and they sign with the new team. Uh, will we ever see the true like madness that we used to see in free agency where the you ring the bell to start the day and just a pure chaos flood of dozens of deals come in? No, it’s over. RIP.
Yeah. I mean, I I think I think it’s I think that’s bad. I think it’s bad for teams. I think it’s bad for players.
It’s fun for like people like us. who pop on YouTube and react to action as it happens, right? Like I think that’s great, but I think it’s I think it’s bad for the people actually involved in the process. Sure. E, how do you feel about it? Well, you know, I got to be honest with you. I was just more reading about on the right side there with dealers in Denmark and why wouldn’t Winnipeg keep them. So, I got sidetracked mentally. I wasn’t listening to
ask ask Winnipeg how well they keep players. They uh they struggle with that. No, but I mean it’s a fair question, right? You know, AJ should be the best to answer that because that was been there. It’s it’s not the Jets wanted to keep Eers. He was one of their arguably their most efficient scorer the last couple of years. They just wouldn’t play him in a bigger role. Um, and why that is was a mystery to every person on earth. I don’t know what the deal was with the Jets coaching staff, two multiple coaching staffs that would not play Eagers more than they did. Uh, he’s he’s an excellent 5v5 player. I don’t understand why they weren’t feeding him more minutes, especially because, let’s be real here, their second line wasn’t like out there crushing it. So, the Jets wanted to and I think that the the lack of playing time was one of the reasons that Eers is probably happy to move on from Winnipeg and just say, “Oh, I’m I think I’m good. I’ll explore my options.”
It goes back to the same thing with Gabriov, right? Players make choices on free agency day, too. It’s not just teams. Yeah.
Yeah. True. That’s fair.
But I was just got caught up in reading.
Yeah. No, you’re good. The the question I asked I I wanted to get your thoughts on it. E free agency. Do you miss the days of free agency where everything would happen all at once, right? As free agency started as opposed to the modern system we’ve seen, especially over the last couple of years, where so many of these deals get done before free agency actually happens. Yeah. I mean, you can’t be naive that things aren’t done before, right? You know, imagine the Leafs talk about tampering this year and they keep bringing it up and and again, you would have to be a dummy to get caught first of all like really. Uh but there’s other ways to do it and you know I mean like all right do you and I’m not saying you should. But I’m saying it’s against the rules what but you do have some inclinations on you know where people are going to be and where they want to go to and are they going to reside with that team and but I think as a team you just plan it and it is exciting and and believe it or not coaches they play fantasy roster. I mean they really do they think it’s the greatest. That’s why I always felt you should keep coaches away on those days because they’re going to want the biggest. I mean, oh yes, I want Gretzky there and I want Crosby and you know what I mean? Like, you know, and then they go nuts and that’s what coaches, you know, they’re they’re nuts. Um, so I think you try to keep coaches away on this one, you know, you kind of talk with them. You’ve done the research before. What type of player are you looking for? What’s what are we going to be looking for here? Where are we going to play this guy if we go after him? You know, and then you keep them away. You lock the key and you make sure they don’t come in. You know what I because they’re annoying and they come in and when they have their napkins with their lineups and you know this is what I think should be working. You know what I mean? So, we’ll see what happens. But I think it’s exciting for for teams because you do have a plan and then sometimes it works and sometimes it just doesn’t. And then as a player it is exciting too because if you decide to go healers the market then you have a plan to and then you probably it wasn’t today that you decided that oh I’ll take my time you know I think he’s already had said that in his mind the last few weeks that he was going to take his time and see and you know analyze and again I don’t know if he’s married or not. I have no idea. I don’t know him. So but uh you know what I mean and it’s like I’ll look into what’s best for me and and which I’m not like that me personally you know what I So, I’d be more like, “All right, let’s go. Let’s do it.” You know, but some guys are want to analyze it, and that’s okay. You’ve you’ve had that right. You’ve earned that right. And it still doesn’t make it. I mean, it still makes it frustrating. I’m not going to lie. You know, everyone’s waiting, you know? It’s like, “Come on, man. Let’s go.” Yeah.
It It feels a little bit like the ABS are walking a tight rope right now. No.
They’re trying to cross this bridge of signing the big one of the big names in free agency. And if that works out, that’s a great story and you can have that conversation. But even then, there’s still work to do. You sign that guy and you have to make the next steps of filling out your roster and making your salary cap work. Uh if you want if you’re late to the show, go listen earlier. We talked about that a little bit. If they miss on Eers, then they have to scramble to their backup plans and fill out their roster with pieces that make sense. it. There’s a non-zero chance they fall off, too. They could fall off the tight rope and then the ABs end up with a rough off season. But we don’t have the
I mean, at the moment,
at the moment, they need an entire forward line just in terms of number of players, not in roll, but they need an entire for they need three forwards
and another defenseman. Yep.
That’s still quite a bit of work to do. Yeah, they are far from done and that could look a lot of different ways depending on how this goes. So,
yeah, hopefully tonight you go to sleep dreaming of dealers and you wake up with a present under the tree. I guess that’s the game plan for the ads.
How much how much time do we have?
I mean, we can go longer if you want to talk about something. It’s mostly the one thing that we haven’t talked about in the show is is Nikolai Eers better than Marty Nas. I would offshoot without diving into it, I would say no. I would say Nas is the better forward.
Why it makes sense is that you mentioned it earlier. One, Eers long term becomes cheaper because NIS is going to get more than whatever they end up paying Eers this off season. And two, if you’re in that room and you’re moving NIS or Colton or whoever, it gives you more flexibility on the defensive side. Like we said, the defensive free agent market, what’s left, there are some okay dudes, but there’s no big swings that you can take. If you get Eers and you’re suddenly trading Marty Nes, Marty Nus allows you to take a big swing on a possible defenseman. who that ends up being. We’ll see if the that’s still three steps away. So, we’re not there yet. But well, and you can understand why the ABS would be making this bet that they feel like, hey, Nas is we might think that Nas is better, but we think Eers can bring we think that Eers can bring us 90% of what NUS does, but Nas can be used as a trade piece to get the kind of defender that we think would be a difference maker on our blue line. Otherwise, we don’t have the assets to get a difference maker on our blue line, right?
So, that would be like you could you can understand why that would be their approach to this. Eers is older. He’s far more injuryprone. Both of them have bad track records in the playoffs.
But then Marty, it all comes down. Somebody’s like, “Oh, let’s just, you know, it’s a fair question. They’re saying, “Oh, just have him one more year.” But the problem with the player if you let him go to free agency then he’s probably walking. So yeah,
you know what I mean? So that’s the be and Marty if you maybe he’s told them that maybe it is true he doesn’t want to stay here and then he’s like I’ll sign an 8year deal but it’s going to be 12 million. And then the ABS are like well I’m not giving you 12 million I’m going to give you nine and then they’re like no I’m not again now you have no choice. Then Eers becomes a reality. Do I think Eers is better than Nes? No, I think Nature’s is better at Eers, but
maybe they leave you no choice and then you’re using Natures to go get that D. Who knows?
It depends on how you’re chopping it, too. Is Elers better defensively than Nas? Yes. Nature is really bad defensively. Eers isn’t Eers isn’t great shakes either, but for the record, well, Tomkin, somebody was asking, he’s a depth goalie in Edmonton there. So, it’s just like mighty gold and I’m gonna go like this because I’m going right to the airport direction Denver.
We are wrapping up for the day. So, is what it is. If the if the Eer thing happens, you know, we’ll jump on for an emergency pod chat. So, you know where to find us if it happens. It’ll it’ll happen while Eric is in the air and we can’t do anything about it. Me and AJ will pop on and be like, “Cool.”
Yeah. Woo.
Yeah. Uh anyway, we’re wrapping up for today. We are back tomorrow. Pod time’s playing a little fast and loose because ABS Dev Camp is going on. We’re going to be live at the practice arena. By the way, if you’re going to dev camp, come say hi. We are We’re just going to be sitting there watching ABS prospects do stuff. So, we’ll come back to studio, right? And then we’ll do a show from studio.
We’ll still have a show. It might be more like 1:30 Mountainish though, timing wise, but we will be live with you.
Uh that’s it. We appreciate y’all. This has been uh the DNVR Avalanche podcast and we will talk to you tomorrow.

Day one of NHL Free Agency is in the books — and the Colorado Avalanche kept things surprisingly quiet. Could that mean they’re waiting on a bigger move, like a potential play for Nikolaj Ehlers? Or are they simply playing it safe to avoid a costly mistake? Rudo, Eric, and AJ break down everything from the opening day of free agency — the signings, the surprises, and who the Avs could still be targeting.

Intro – 0:00
Slow day for the avs – 1:00
Waiting for a domino to fall – 7:44
Avs in on Ehlers? – 11:20
Plan for Necas? – 17:40
Keep both Necas and Ehlers? – 21:00
Who made themselves better? – 25:46
Any big mistakes? – 35:00
The holes that need to be filled – 43:15

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