Bradley Beal TRADES For Phoenix Suns If They DON’T WAIVE Like Bucks & Dame
I mean, isn’t it ironic that out of all people, it’s Damian Lillard that got waved? Psychos and sickos unite for a prayer Circle that somebody gets traded edition of PHNX Suns here on a trade machine Tuesday live from Studio K presented by Circle K. Download the Circle app and join the inner circle for free. Terms, conditions apply at participating locations. I’m Eric. That’s Gerald Steven. We got the Juice Man aka Freckled Mamba aka the one with only nicknames in this entire show. Eritton behind the Mac making all the magic happen. But of course, the most important people, everybody whose usernames are back in chat. No longer the ATS. Thank God. I’m very appreciative of that. Appreciative of all of you joining us live on YouTube after the fact and of course listening on audio. Five star reviews go a long long way as free agency continues. The Suns made a signing and now we look towards the future and what’s next with Bradley Beal. But before we get there, hit that like button, hit that subscribe button. We do have a diehard deal. It’s still going on, Gerald. A $36 intro offer. for gophnx.com/intro. Get a free t-shirt, free hat, access to all of Gerald’s articles, including the one that he wrote today, plus 20% discount on all of our events, access to our Die Hard Discord, which has just been popping popping popping. But before we get there, how we doing? Is we’re now officially 24 hours into 2025 free agency.
Doing great. Little bummed because free agency used to mean something. Remember when when we had Blake Griffin and chairs in front of doors to keep DeAndre Eaton? like those were the good old days. But, uh, we did get a little bit more movement literally right after I hopped off the show yesterday. Um, and also wanted to shout out Tim Chapel in the chat. He just said he became a diehard member and that it’s been well worth his money. So, appreciate that, Tim. Thank you for joining us and glad you’re enjoying it so far.
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Yeah, it’s it’s great. I’m super super happy with how how popping our our dieh hard discord has been including Stephen. They got a little special breakdown for Kam Malawatch from you. And now let’s break down the Suns free agent signing if you missed it about an hourish after we went on off air yesterday. The Suns signed Nigel Hayes Davis, former Wisconsin player, overseas MVP, played in the Turkish League, the Euro League. I did a nice little breaking news pod, but got to get these guys thoughts on it. Stephen, your your first reaction when this surprise signing came down and you dove into it a little bit.
Um, yeah, it came out of nowhere in a literal sense. And I was um immediately brought back to the the gauntlet that continues to be the Big 10, but in the mid200s era, where there’s just all types of NBA talent sprinkled across the entire conference, and he’s directly involved in all of it in some of the loudest fashion in that era as well. uh just a player that was able to do a ton of different things and spark energy and had that energy that I spoke about with Yaboole that in it kind of just engages the crowd in a different way. It’s not intentional, but because of the activity he plays with and athleticism, he naturally lends itself to that and I think it up uplifts the level of activity for everybody that’s on the court with him.
Yeah. And Gerald, you were able to talk to one of our friends over at No Ceilings who said as good as he was in college, he is not the same player now.
Yeah, absolutely. And a lot of people, they probably recognize that name from his time back at Wisconsin, but maybe not familiar with what how his game has progressed since then. So, uh, our guy Nathan Grubel, uh, responded to me when I asked about, you know, what to expect from him, and he said he’s improved as a shooter and handler since he’s been in the States, uh, at 6’8 with his athleticism and motor. His best traits as a college player was some more skill. He could be the Yabulele signing of this off season. uh and then carried on and said, “Sons have knocked it out of the park given the hand that they dealt themselves.” Referring to second tax apron stuff and not having a ton of flexibility to bring in guys on different contracts other than vet vet minimum deals. Yeah, I kind of had to not play like devil’s advocate for the breaking news show, but I know a lot of people were were upset about this signing when it happened. And I get it because the name isn’t there. We did a whole free agency show where we talked about Chris Paul and Torian Prince and Yavle, right? But Stephen, when you look at the the measurables and the skill set, 68 with a 7-3 wingspan, was Fenerbachi’s leading scorer last year. Has won a finals MVP overseas. Has won championships, regular season, like he’s done everything overseas. And you watch his game and how it’s expanded, especially on the offensive end. Let’s look there first. He has a very translatable skill set to the NBA, especially starting behind the three-point line.
Yeah, he does. and it’s his his ability to score in all three levels operate in multiple contexts of play. Um, one of the most translatable skills that we’ve spoken to a ton um that we’ve also spoken to off the mic, winning.
Winners simply find a way to impact winning in a positive way and add a value to any situation or ecosystem they step into. Having won to the extent that he has over in Euro League, that’s translatable. there’s going to be certain specific qualities and traits that he brings that are going to add to everything Jordan not wants to establish. And I actually have a quote from one of my media friends that covers internationally and uh basically what he mentioned was that he’s a high volume of uh postups guy that’s good enough on efficiency for that to be effective.
And he’s also really good in space and being able to also defend in space as well and being able to add to scheme versatility whether it’s switching, hedging, playing drop, um cross matching, all of those fun things. So everything Jordan N spoke to wanting to do, he brings that in spades.
And I think that’s how he earns his spot, Gerald, is through that that defense. Can he be a point of attack guy? Can he be a helpside guy with with his build and hit some threes and see what else comes with it?
Yeah. Well, I mean, it it fits with the vision that the Suns have laid out that Brian Gregory’s been talking about with all this alignment stuff. Like we we talked about the Suns getting a lot younger, getting a lot more defensive minded, adding a lot more size and athleticism than they had last year. And you know, Hayes Davis checks a lot of those boxes at 6’8 with a 7 foot three wingspan, being able to guard multiple positions. Um, and the three-point shooting is intriguing as well because we talked about the Suns needing more help at the four and they got it with this guy. You know, we don’t know what his role in the rotation is going to be. There’s still a lot of questions to sort out moving forward in terms of what Jordan values and how these guys differentiate themselves in training camp. But the one thing that was interesting that uh Nathan Grubal also pointed out to me was in terms of his shooting, he shot 38% on catch and shoot threes, but he also shot 37% on off the dribble threes. So, it’s not just a spot-up guy. It’s a guy who can maybe add a little bit more versatility on the offensive end in terms of how he is getting his threes. Um, and we also because, you know, he went to Wisconsin. He actually played there during the same years as Frank Kaminsky, had to reach out to our guy Frank the Tank and and get his thoughts on the signing, especially as a former son. Uh, and this is what he had to say. He mentioned uh that uh he’s the hardest worker you’ll find out there. He’s been one of the best players in Europe the past two years. Deserves the opportunity. So, um, this is, you know, it’s obviously a former teammate of his and a good friend of his is going to say good things about the guy, but, um, based on everybody that we’ve talked to and we did our our homework on this, there’s a lot of positive feedback in terms of what he might be able to offer. Well, and that’s kind of the main thing with this, and that’s what I brought up yesterday, and shout out to all the people who who joined for that. Psychos and Sickos is definitely breaking newspap about an overseas player signing is is maybe the 15th, maybe the 14th person in this roster. I’m sorry. This chair keeps on like going down and it’s like I’m like I’m like come on like stay up. I’m feeling like I’m getting shorter. Anyway, uh it it’s the work ethic there. You have somebody in the chat who says then why was he overseas, right? Why was he overseas for so long? Level outlook. Listen, like everybody’s path to the NBA isn’t the same. And this is clearly somebody that when he came to the NBA in 2018, he was not ready to contribute, right? Like the stats weren’t there. But when you go overseas, you play a high level of basketball and you work on your game. Like Frank said, as as he is a hard worker, he is clearly developed and has been at the top of the European and the Turkish game for a long time now. And when you look at a guy like Yabusle, right, you you could have the same problems as like, hey, why did you leave the NBA when you couldn’t make it and and go back? And and Level Outlook says not hating legit question. I think that is a legit question because I get why people would doubt it, right? Especially when the Suns, you’re like, “Oh, well, you could have added Chris Paul, right? You could have added somebody who plays in the NBA.” But I don’t want to discount playing overseas and then being the guy overseas and having this work ethic to get back here and how that might rub off on some of these younger guys. Not just a Sheer Fleming who fits the same build and kind of the same archetype of what Nigel Hayes Davis can do, but also other young guys like like Ryan Dunn and Oso Igadaro and and a lot of this roster that has been on the younger side. Gerald.
Yeah. And there’s there’s precedent for guys that have gone overseas because they weren’t drafted in the NBA or didn’t make it in the NBA the first time around. Um something about developing their game, building their confidence overseas as well. um because the competition level is a little bit different than the NBA obviously, but the the team-based style of play over there also helps some of these guys develop in ways that they can then bring back to the NBA. Um and he has been thriving since he went overseas. I’m looking at his resume right now. Uh, two-time Lithuanian League champion, a Spanish Cup winner, uh, a Turkish Finals MVP, two-time Turkish Cup winner, Turkish League Finals MVP, Turkish League twotime champion, Euro League champion, Euro League final MVP. Like, he’s got a lot of accolades overseas. It’s not like he was just kind of going over there putting up 20 and doing whatever. He was winning at a consistent level in multiple leagues in multiple countries. And um that winning mentality, that winning experience does help translate when you come back. And for some guys, you have to spend a little bit extra time overseas because NBA scouts are going to be a little bit more skeptical of the level of competition compared to, you know, over here.
Yeah. He’s had multiple opportunities and cracks at it on the NBA side. Nothing’s panned out in his favor yet until now, obviously.
Yeah. And this feels like opportunity mean preparation for him. Not always will you go directly from the college level to the professional level. Also, nor does skill development typically take place with the lengths of winning that he’s compiled under his belt over the last handful of years. That has to be kind of valued into everything that the Suns are looking at him and assessing his talent from. And I continue to say it, man. Role players, especially when they come from overseas, they maybe the biggest development is how they think the game through.
Yes. And you can’t put a value on having smart players on your roster. Whether that be to play a specific role, to play multiple roles based on matchups. That’s a player that is going to bring that type of um dynamic and the mental capacity to the team in ways that they didn’t have last season.
Yeah, I 100% agree. And listen, this guy might not be an NBA player, right? I think that’s completely on the table that at the end of the day, this is a a depth break in case of emergency piece, but you’re using your 15th roster spot on it. you already drafted somebody there at the position. Like, you’re not going into the season saying, “Nigel Hayes Davis, save us and lead us to the playoffs.” You’re taking a shot on somebody who’s entering his prime who clearly worked hard and and will now fit your culture of at least like, “I’m going to go out there and I’m going to earn it.” Listen, we’re going to talk more about Nigel Hayes Davis. If y’all have any other final thoughts, we can get to those. But a busy NBA offseason and yes, we have Bradley Beal trades for you. We have Nick Richards trades for you. Grayson Allen trades for you. Royce O’Neal trades for you. And we’re gonna get on into all that. Do we have any final thoughts on uh NHD? NH
My last this is from Synergy uh from Synergy on Twitter. Um last season it says he shot 41% on his spot ups off the screen three-point shots.
51% in the post, which is kind of what I was speaking to. And then it says he was also a steady uh scoring hand both as a roller and as a popper um in the screening actions last season. So the versatility again, something that the Suns have been sorely missing in the front court is there and then. So
yeah, I I I like this guy. Yeah, I do too. And I I think in terms of nicknames, apparently his nickname is 50, which stems from his record-breaking 50point performance in a Euro League game. I’m kind of going to push towards Nigel and HD, but we’ll we’ll play it by ear depending on
I just know he’ll play a gosh, beautiful game. Uh if you know, you know. All right, before we hit our first break here, busy busy free agency period as soon as you got off the show, Gerald, literally immediately walking to the door. Uh, you didn’t give a chance to to give your thoughts on on Cam Johnson. Obviously, the Nuggets have had a hell of an off season so far. The Rockets have had a hell of an offseason. What What stands out to you so far in in the West or the Eastern Conference?
Uh, just the top of the West is going to be loaded. Like, obviously the Rockets got KD. They did a good job retaining a lot of their key guys. They didn’t give up a ton in the Kevin Durant trade. They brought in Dorian Finny Smith. Like they’re very well insulated. Um, you know, for some of the things that we saw here with Kevin Durant, but also Kevin Durant is going to elevate their offensive game. And then I think and like defensively that team’s going to be a nightmare as well. the Nuggets kind of laying stake to their claim as the number two team in the West right now because they’ve got the best player on earth and Nicole Joic, but they are nailing every move to fix a lot of their weaknesses around him. Um, you know, you traded arguably one of the worst basketball IQ players in the NBA for one of the best by going from MPJ to Cam Johnson and you’re still retaining the movement shooting. On top of that, you’re bringing back back Bruce Brown, which is a feel-good move and somebody that can help you as well. They upgraded their backup center spot because they had been hemorrhaging points whenever Joic sat by bringing in Yonis Valenunis. Like they they’ve been nailing and then they added more shooting with Tim Hardaway Jr. So, the Nuggets have been absolutely crushing this off season. Uh you hate to see it here for sure. Uh, but Cam Johnson’s gonna be absolutely Oh, man. His movement shooting next to Joic is just unfair. It’s stupid. Yeah, Denver. Yic is winning MVP next season.
Yeah, Joic is winning MVP next season. I’ll just go ahead and say it now.
I would not be surprised if they end up in the finals.
Yeah,
that dude having those pieces around him now, his minutes where he happens to be in foul trouble off the court. Yeah,
they can literally play the same style of basketball with Valencia units on the court.
And then the IQ part extends obviously to Cam Johnson, but Bruce Brown for everything that he was, he was a top three role player when they won the finals recently.
Yeah.
Him coming back, the familiarity, that’s a lot to deal with, man. That’s a lot to deal with across so many lineups. And Houston, no different, but and unique to their own. Very much the same dynamic. OKC blew everybody out except for basically Denver in the playoffs just because they were so much better than everyone. I did not feel they had a great playoff run. They’re gonna have to have a great playoff run to make it out of the West this time.
They got away with their offense being a little behind schedule and that’s what almost did them in against Denver. They don’t have that margin for next season in the West as a whole, but especially against that team in particular.
Yeah, I like those two. I think those two have had the best offseason. I think the Clippers have also had a a good off season as well. I think the the Brook Lopez addition for them is great. Bringing back James Harden on on a deal. James Harden is always signs two-year deals. He’s always eligible for a new extension, it feels like, which I love for James Harden forks up. I I think the Clippers, they might be getting Chris Paul as well. I think they’ve done well. The West keeps on getting tougher. The Spurs made a good signing as well. I mean, there’s there’s a lot going on in the West, but I like what the Suns have done, but there’s still a lot left to be done. And a lot of people are wondering, do they follow the Milwaukee Bucks trend of waving and stretching Damen Lillard? Also what the Portland Trailblazers did, also what the Utah Jazz did with Jordan Clarkson. It’s seemingly like these these higher level contracts are not yielding any types of trade returns. So what we’re going to do today is bring you Bradley Beal trades just in case. We’re going to try.
We’re going to do that. Plus, we’ve got a bunch of other trades. We’ll get to your super chats and so much more. It’s a trade machine Tuesday edition. It’s the 1 of July and we’re keeping things rolling right here after this break. Let me uh fix my chair here real quick. Like if you need to fix your floors, you should use Empire Today. Cuz here’s the thing with Empire Today. You’re not just getting somebody who does it as their side gig who doesn’t really care about flooring. It’s just clocking in, clocking out, and that’s that. No. Empire Today actually cares. They’re the psychos and sickos of flooring. Listen, you need good flooring. Whether it’s a business, whether it’s a home, whether it’s a apartment complex that you own, whatever it is, people eventually look down. And when they look down, if they’re unimpressed, they’re either going to judge you or they’re going to leave. And you don’t want that. And you want to pick the right flooring for your space. And that’s why Empire Today comes to your home for a free in-home estimate. And guess what? You get clear, upfront, all-inclusive pricing. Plus, you can schedule installation as soon as the next day. Schedule your free inhome estimate because some things are just better off at home. PHNX listeners can receive a $350 off discount when using promo code phnx. That’s right, $350 off when using code phnx. Restrictions apply. Visit empireday.com/phnx for full details. And we are in the midst of the NBA offseason, which means there are no games to bet on. But of course, we’re in the middle of the MLB season. NFL season’s coming up, and before you know it, it’s going to be time to be in the NBA season again. And whatever the moment, it’s never ordinary at Bet 365. So, join all of us and the 90 million users worldwide that bet on these live events have live in-game betting. But if you are not a member yet, guess what? New customers get $150 in bonus bets. So, you bet five bucks, win or lose. Use code ph65 when you sign up. Deposit 10 bucks, place a bet for five, and get 150 in bonus bets if your bet wins or loses. Bonus bets can be used on spreads, totals, player props, sutures, and more. Whatever the moment, it’s never ordinary at Bet365. You must be 21 plus and physically located in Arizona. If you or someone you know has a gambling problem and wants help, call 1800 Nextstep, text nextep to 53342 or visit problemgambling.az.gov. Thanks again to all of you in the chat. I can finally read your names. Ashley, who’s been roasting me and my baby face with my dad. We got Bees, Felix, Brian, Leo. Yeah. No, literally they’re teaming up on me. Like Ashley’s like, “Speaking of Clippers, Eric, you should probably find a better barber.” And then my dad sends like the flexing emoji and the sunglasses emojis like llol Ashley. Thanks guys. I appreciate it. But shout out to the other 450 of you
that are in here. What’s up Russell? Uh yes, my dad’s very popular in in the chat in the chat. Uh let’s get to some super chats. But before we do want to remind everybody if you’re not a diehard yet like our boy B Entertainment who wants a shout out for audio, uh become a diehard today for just $36 intro offer. Get a free t-shirt or a free hat at sign up. all of Gerald’s uh articles for free, 20% discount to a bunch of our events, access to our Die Hard Discord, and so much more. Our first super chat is from Kakashi. I have not seen Kakashi in here before. So, thank you, Kakashi. Whether you’re a first-time chat or longtime viewer, whatever it is, thanks for being here. Says, “The Bucks now need a guard. Koozma for Brad.” Gross.
I don’t think that works. Um, also, that’s really gross. I’m not sure the Bucks have enough salary now to be able to take on Bradley Beal’s contract because Kosma makes 22.4 million. Pat Conetan who opted into his player option makes 9.4. That only gets you to about 32 mil and Bradley Beal is making 53. So I don’t think they have the the means to make that deal happen anymore.
That is that would still maybe be the grossest trade of all time.
Yeah. Um yeah.
Uhuh. that that one that one ain’t it.
We have Nigel Hayes Davis. Yeah, we just got done talking about the the the IQ and intellectual part of the game and how important that is to sustain winning.
Yeah,
that’s not going to be a step in that direction. That’s not in alignment.
I can’t think of a worse influence on Rasher Fleming than Kyle Kosma. $10 super chat from our boy, another die hard, psycho blue says, “Basketball Cthulhu thinks it’s prudent to offload Grayson Allen or Royce without taking money back and keeping Beal one more season to below to dip below the second apron without putting dead money on the books. We will get to some Grayson and Royce trades later, but I I am of the opinion personally I would rather hold on to Beal than stretch and wave him. Personally, I don’t want this to drag on, but I understand that that’s likely not going to happen.”
Yeah. So, we we did get a question about how that works, whether Beal would have to approve a wave and stretch. So, I just want to explain this really quick before we move on to trades because it’s important to understand how the alternative path works if the Suns can’t trade Bradley Beal. So, basically, he’s got 110 111 million left on his contract over the next two years. Um, you’re looking at a situation where you have to agree to a buyout before you can wave and stretch. Now, the reason for that is that the NBA has a limit in terms of how much dead money you can carry per season. Uh it’s like 22 or $23 million for next season based on a percentage of the overall salary cap. But unfortunately, if the Suns were to stretch his 110 $111 million over the five years, which is how long you have to stretch it with two years left on his deal, you would cross that threshold because the Suns already have some dead money on their books with Nir Little and EJ Liddell from when they uh stretch wave and stretch those guys. So basically, because of that money, you cannot wave and stretch Beiel outright. you have to agree to a buyout where he agrees to take less than that $111 million sum and then you take whatever amount he agrees to be bought out at and stretch that figure over five years. So let’s say he agrees to an $80 million buyout. Then that’s what is that like $16 million a season that you’re looking at. That would is what would be on your books. That would get beneath that threshold of like 22 $23 million in debt money. So
you have to get Bradley Bill to sacrifice a certain amount of money. so that you can fit under that threshold while also being a figure that he’s not going to be, you know, he’s not going to go out there and sacrifice 50 $60 million. He needs to sacrifice an amount that he can make up with a two or threeyear deal as a free agent somewhere else like for the mid-level exception. So, just so everyone is aware of how that works, how the money shakes out there. If you can get him at an $80 million buyout, you’re only looking at like, you know, 156 million a season if it’s in that range.
Super simple. Stephen just heard that man give us a dissertation and you’re a media follow. It’s just that easy.
It’s just that easy. Um I would just like to shine light on the um the impact that has if you go the ret the wave and stretch route. Uh the impact that has on the aprons in particular. Gerald, um just for clarity purposes, you want to explain what position that puts the sun in based off of that?
Yeah. So, if they’re going from his $53.7 million salary for this upcoming season to like 156 million, they’re they’re ducking beneath both the aprons, I believe. And that opens up the mid-level exception. If they’re still in the luxury tax, it would only be five or six million, whatever that mid-level amount is. uh if they somehow get beneath the luxury tax by shipping out more contracts and taking back very little um then I think it’s around $14 million is is the max for the MLE. So you could get a tool to sign a good player, but at the same time, if that’s the path that you’re taking, you got to do it soon because a lot of the names that would be worth the MLE, whether it’s the taxpayer one or the the non-t taxpayer one that’s a little bit pricier,
a lot of these guys are getting scooped up. Like I wrote about 25 free agents on Monday and a day and a half later, half of them are already signed somewhere else. So, if that is the path and you want to use the MLE or you want to free up more flexibility to sign free agents, you got to get that ball rolling now because a lot of them are going to be gone by the end of the week.
And to that point, before you go, Eric, for context on players, the level that you can get with the mid-level exception, one player that we all talked about, Gershan Yabellle signed for that with the New York Knicks. So, that tier of players being added to what the Suns are working towards under Jordan Kn,
I think would do him a great service. And if you can’t trade Bradley Bill, you need to do right by Jordan not by giving him a clean slate and roster to work with.
As Bees says in the chat, it’s so annoying. Agreed.
That could have been the cold open.
It could have been the cold open. Let’s get one more super chat in here. We’ll get one trade, then we’ll hit a break before the rest of the trades from Leo. Thank you for always being here and being so consistent. Leo999 says now that Miles Turner and Cavon Looney signed with new teams, Devin Booker is the only player that remains with a team that drafted him from the 2015 draft. That’s crazy.
Thank you for the super chat. That is a great gem to find. And I think that loyalty part is something that Booker
um touts more than anything else and that’s being loyal to one franchise. And
he was out running around the streets of Phoenix doing Finders Keepers last night. Like
yeah,
that that definitely matters to him. that that man loves it here and and and we love him and we appreciate the fact that we’re not sitting here talking about Devin Booker has requested a trade. In fact, we’re talking about Devin Booker likely to sign uh like a record setting two-year extension. So,
somebody in the chat asked, “What does the Bradley Beal extension look like since he’s eligible for one?” Uh, how about extending him an offer to the 76ers because that’s what our first trade is. Gerald, let’s dive into some Bradley Beal deals. This one gross. It’s a It’s a new iteration of the toxic one that I threw out there when the number three pick was on the table.
That didn’t go anywhere. So, now we’re going with a 2031 first round pick. Um, instead, you’re taking on Paul George. You’re taking on an extra year of bad salary that will pay him through what his age 37 season.
Uh, it does address some of your needs on the wing if he can be healthy. Like, he’s a good two-way player. He had a really bad year last year. Like, very bad for him. But I think injuries played a role in that.
I don’t know about this one. Like I I like the the 2031 pick. I had it top three protected in my article. I There are some like there’s so many
I think that’s Can we clip that sound?
Can we clip that sound? That’s the Bradley Beal sound right there. Yeah.
It’s like the evil uh home improvement sound. It it really doesn’t help your salary cap, but it does potentially help with a player that might actually fit what you’re trying to do better than Beal. It alleviates some of the shooting guard glut that you have on your roster, but I still don’t really like it.
Question. Let’s have some fun. Oh, boy. I love it when you ask questions, Stephen. So, we you already touched on what I was going to get to with Paul George being different position-wise and size-wise and dynamic-wise than than Bradley Bill. What would it take for what would it take from Paul George for y’all to okay this deal?
Like,
is it health?
Like, and what to what extent of health are you you talking about? He got to play like 70 games for you. I mean, like what are you thinking?
65 70.
Okay. Yeah, I think it’s tough because I do in theory like a Paul George fit with Devin Booker. Uh maybe off the court they don’t like it, but
I think there’s a respect factor that comes with
I agree. I agree. I think I think what I’m worried about with Paul George, as much as the injuries, is also the fact that his contract is longer and he’s had some pretty significant injuries in the past. And to his credit, he has come back and he has done amazing things after some incredibly devastating injuries. That being said, how does his body hold up over the next couple of years? And does extending the type of contract that you’re paying beyond what you would be paying Bradley Beal then handicap you in the same way a couple years down the line and we’re like having the same conversation of Paul George isn’t who he’s supposed to be and we’re spending too much money on him and now Devin Booker’s really at the end of his prime and you can’t do anything with Paul George and we’re talking about a buyout the same way we’re talking about a Bradley Beal buyout right now. The difference is Paul George doesn’t have a no trade clause.
But who would but would somebody want to trade for him? But you’re I mean you’re right that is the difference. But even right now if Bradley Beal didn’t have a no trade clause a lot of these things that we’re looking at we’re like well would the team even want Bradley Beal? Let alone would Bradley Beal want to go there?
You would you would have to replenish your draft stock because you would potentially have to add something to Paul George if you had to dump him later on down the line. And that’s a possibility for a guy that has a 56.6 6 million player option for his age 37 season uh in 2728. So yeah, I I I you want to get off a Bill’s contract. You want to get a player that can help you. Adding an extra first round pick again would be helpful,
but there are some real downsides to here and you’re adding another year of max salary for a guy that has been injuryprone that has been on the downturn recently. It’s a little too risky. I I get the impulse why this might make some sense, but I would probably abstain from this one.
So, I I’m I’m asking only because I like to I like to play all of the sides of it. Thinking about if the Suns did it, I’m imagining Ryan Dunn and Rasher Flaming learning from Paul George in particular and Dylan Brooks.
Yeah. You can’t insulate your young players better than that from a veteran perspective. Also, because both of those players come into the league as ready to play now types, you can scale back Paul George’s minutes. You can scale back his usage, especially because you already have Jaylen Green and Deon Booker. I’m not trying to talk y’all into it. I’m not even talking myself into it. But when I speak from that side of it, cuz I don’t think you do it initially,
when you when you talk through it a little bit,
he would be the starting four, right?
The optionality
have to be. Yeah. Yes. The optionality lineup wise, but also contractwise because you’re not tied to a no trade clause.
Can we can we add because Fabio brings up a good point. Can we add an NPC and no podcast clause? Because he said he would do it if podcast stop podcast.
He needs to be on our podcast.
Okay. So that’s in the clause. in the cat’s in the cloud. We can have a conversation podcast phr poses his own trade in the chat says, “What about Gerald straight up for a young writer who has gotten some sleep.” I think that’s kind of rude.
I mean, personally, I think that’s kind of rude. He’s calling you old.
He’s not wrong. I’m washed now. So you just
the guy who’s wearing a shirt, by the way, for audio listeners,
it says he is risen with like the youth version of Riz and it’s Jesus Christ dunking a basketball. So this is the guy who’s saying he’s watched. I think you’re at the top of your game, Gerald.
Personally,
I’m doing my best.
Yeah. Okay. Uh we have more Bradley Beal trains. Anybody want to maybe play a little chess? My favorite piece on the chess board is the king. We’ll talk about that and so much more right after our second break. You proud of that?
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Gerald, you better tell Espo you wave your no trade clause.
He did say that we love you, Gerald. So, that’s nice. I
That’s like the statement that they put out after they trade you. I do remember the Suns saying something similar after they dangled Cat Durant at the trade deadline. So
yeah, I remember uh before the Cardinals drafted Kyler Murray, they like posted a graphic that was like uh Josh Rosen is our guy.
Oh god, I remember that. Yep.
Yeah.
So hopefully that’s not what’s happening here.
Hopefully not. Listen, Jar, I want it on the record. I don’t want you traded.
If you see me in CHGO, you won’t cuz that’s too cold.
Oh, well then who are we getting back? Cuz then I think we’re listening. Um
I mean Got Leafly does a great job.
I’m kidding. Gerald, if they traded you, I would be angry because uh you have some more Bradley Beal trades that you’re cooking up. Nobody cooks up trades like you. Before we get to the Lakers, let’s go to CHGO and let’s get to the Bulls. Maybe even grosser than a Paul George trade, Gerald, which is saying something.
Yeah. So, this is look look. So, okay. Okay. Look. Okay. All right. Okay, look. So,
all right. That’s the trade.
That’s the trade. Um, Zack Collins isn’t expiring. He’s another center. And you would have to flip two of these three players. And that’s assuming that Kobe Bray is on a two-way contract because as of right now, if Kobe Bray is on a standard contract, you already have 15 players under contract. You are sending one out and getting three in return. So, you’re two over the limit of 15 players. You’d have to find a way to get rid of two. Zack Collins is an expiring deal. He’s probably someone you would immediately try to flip. Javon Carter, another expiring deal. Legend. Probably something you would try to flip as well. Uh he’s only like $6.3 million, so it wouldn’t be too hard to send him elsewhere. Patrick Williams is the one you would be stuck with because he has four years and 72 million left on his deal. That is bad. He does, you know, he’s a four, so there’s that. But you just signed Nigel. He probably wouldn’t play very much because he’s not very good. Um, that is kind of the cost of getting off a Beal’s contract is that you have this long-term $18 million a year salary. The good news is with this deal, you are not having to attach a first round pick. And the Suns don’t even have tradable first round picks right now as it is. So, this is one of the few outcomes where you find a team that’s not going to be like, well, what are you giving us for taking on Bradley Beal? Cuz even, you know, like taking on Patrick Williams contract is bad. And that’s kind of the balancing point. And also, we know the Bulls are notorious for making bad deals where they do not take draft picks back for whatever reason.
You going to let him talk about your team like that? Whose team is that?
Your Chicago Bulls. We have the pictures of you in your youth in Chicago Bulls.
Yeah. God forbid. God forbid you wear the the team memorabilia of the the teams that play in the city you grew up in.
All I’m hear man, I grew up here and I’m a Phoenix Suns fan, so I listen. It it works. Uh, what do you make of that deal? Bradley Beiel for Zack Collins, Patrick Williams, and the Bulldog. Javon Carter. Yeah. Um, shout out Javon Carter from my hometown. Um, no, don’t don’t need any extra from you. Um, we big fan.
This is very much a This is very much a handshake deal. It feels like it’s like you scratch my back, I scratch yours. Yes, you’re taking on this contract, but what about if we gave you these
and we just go our separate ways? I think there’s a good bit of business to be done there. all contingent upon if Bradley Bill would like to go to the Chicago Bulls. And I think that’s maybe the the elephant in the room.
That’s the tough one because the Bulls are going nowhere fast. They’re trying to get younger it seems like. Even though the moves they’re making are pretty bad. Um he would be wasting away on a bad team. You would hope that Chicago being close to his hometown of St. Louis would have some sway with him and the fact that Chicago is a cool city. I do know that he likes living here with his family. The warm weather has something to do with that. Chicago does not really have that outside of the year the months where they’re not playing basketball. So,
can I can I pitch the Chicago Bulls to Bradley Beal?
Sure.
Walk with me, Bradley.
Walk with me.
Billy Donovan. That’s it.
We know Well, yes, that for sure. We know, Mr. Beal.
That you want to have a long successful career in the NBA. And I would argue that respectfully speaking, nobody’s value has tanked more since signing their contract than you. You were a max contract player who was given a no trade clause, who led the league in scoring, who was a multipletime all-star in the Eastern Conference, which by the way, you would be going back to. Do you want this to be your last Max contract? Do you want this to be your last big contract? If you go on the Chicago Bulls, are they in purgatory? Absolutely. But you’re there for two years close to home in the Eastern Conference. Hell, you might be an all-star again. If you start putting up mid to high 20s, they’ll unlock you. You’re the number one scoring option and you can set yourself up for a payday. You want to stay in Phoenix, that’s fine. Stay in Phoenix. That’s okay. We won’t buy you out. You’ll sit your ass on the bench. You’ll either be a six-man or you won’t play at all. And then when it’s time for you to go and hit the free agent market, ain’t nobody offering you anything. So, you can go to a team where you’ll be buried on the bench. You can go to a team where you’ll be behind young guards like Philadelphia. Or maybe you can go to a warmer weather city. Or you can go to the Chicago Bulls and be the man in Chicago following in the footsteps of the greatest player of all time. So there you go. How about that? Why did you
did that just to make you mad?
Kobe White. Kobe White and Josh Giddy would like to have multiple words about that top option conver.
He right. He would be a little too old for Giddy to pair with. That’s That’s for sure. Mhm.
So, Gerald, do you have any more trades that you want to speak about today? Then you have about what, eight more trades in your article?
We got more trades to talk about.
I like this next one. If you think I’m If you think I’m on my BS before, wait until this one, baby.
We come back from the graphic, Eric will not be on the set anymore. Yeah. All right. Look, we got to address this one because it’s been brought up. I don’t think it’s going to happen. I wrote that in the article. I don’t think it’s going to happen. We should mention it though because LeBron James, I think it’s a little late in the game for LeBron James to be pulling this. Well, I don’t know if I believe in the direction we’re going in. You might need to trade me. Like, it’s July 1, brother. Like, where was this months ago? You had all the time in the world to lay the groundwork for this if you really wanted to force your way out of LA. So, I’m not 100% buying that that’s what’s going to wind up happening here. But, if it winds up happening, Phoenix would make sense as a destination for LeBron. Like whether Bronnie is attached somehow or not, Bronny would either be in LA or he would be in Phoenix. LeBron’s son Bryce plays at UFA down in Tucson. So Phoenix, very close to Tucson. I think the Suns would make sense as a destination for LeBron. I think he’s had interest here in the past, but staying in LA has been better, more comfortable, given him a chance to compete, whatever you want to call it, more feasible there. I think the Suns would make sense as a destination for LeBron. This would only happen if LeBron forces his way and says, “I’m not going anywhere but Phoenix. You are going to lose me for nothing next summer. Send me to Phoenix.” And the only way that that really works because the Suns are second tax apron team is Bradley Bill’s contract. The problem, the Lakers are not getting like any draft compensation because the Suns don’t have first round picks to offer. So, that is a problem. We’ve seen stars try to force their way to places they wanted to go and get close like Jimmy Butler, but at the end of the day, the team has to do what’s best for them. They might prefer to just keep LeBron for a year and let him walk for nothing and just have cap space than two years of Bradley Beal, even if they want cap space in 2027. So, a lot to consider there. I I’m not sure I’m buying LeBron and Rich Paul’s bluff just yet, but if he’s serious about leaving, Phoenix would be a sensible place that he would want to play, I think.
So, no trade clause for no trade clause. Who says no? That’s what I gather from everything you said. Bradley Beal is this team. There’s no way. There’s no way he would turn down LA. I don’t think so.
I would be shocked.
I’d be would Bradley Beal look Mattishb in the eyes and say, “I’m going to stop you from getting LeBron James.”
I don’t think it’s gotten to that level of toxicity because people think that like Bradley Beal shooting down deals left and right. We’ve said this before on the show, like during the trade deadline, they presented Bradley Beal with zero trades to shoot down, to approve, to decline, nothing because there weren’t trades on the table. So, I don’t think that has changed. I don’t think there’s been a deal out there that Bradley Bill has had to approve or deny.
So, I and I think he would be open to a change of scenery. I wrote about this months ago and I spoke to his agent who said, “We don’t deal in absolutes. If the right deal presents itself, like, of course, we’ll listen to it. But for right now, he likes living in Phoenix. And until that right deal comes along, there’s nothing to talk about, which I think naturally, I mean, he said he wants warm. They said the reports are that he would love to go to a warm weather city.
It’s not as warm in LA as it is here in Phoenix, but it’s pretty hot.
It’s nice and brisk and it’s pretty nice year round there, I would say. Yep. Playing with Luca Dodic, I mean, you could do significantly worse than that.
Yes. that’s in that’s a top three top four player in the league. You get to rebuild your um your trade value or your just general assessments of your value as a player after a season that was one of your worst in your in your career.
Yeah. I mean, if I was Bradleyville, you talk you talked me into it.
I think I don’t think that would be a problem. I think the problem would be do the Lakers bite the bullet on a trade that is not good for them for one of the best players in their franchise’s history. That’s a tough pill to swallow and it and it is tough coming up with be trades because I lit I’ll tell you guys I literally went through every single team in the trade machine to figure out okay what financially works what logically works like what team would want to trade for be without getting a first round pick in return would have the assets or the the finances to stack up to send back there’s not a lot of options and like Miami being off the table really hurts because Duncan Robinson exercising that early termination option he would have been perfect him and Terry Rosier awful deal in a nutshell to get Duncan Robinson, Terry Rosier, and that’s it for Bradley Beal. But they would have both been expiring contracts and you could have lived with that not having to attach a pick. With Robinson doing that early termination option, you can’t use his salary unless it’s a signing trade and he just signed and trade for the Pistons. So like that one really stung because I think that would have been a sensible deal for everyone involved. And I think only way that happens this deal is if if it’s LeBron James saying he’s choosing Phoenix, which you said in the article.
For what it’s worth, Nick Richards for Shake Milton and Bronny James works out perfectly moneywise. So you could do you could do a separate trade for Beal and then a separate trade Nick Richards for Shake Mil and then Bronny James. You get Bronny and you get LeBron.
Papa Braun and the Lakers get a center. And we’ll talk about Nick Richards and and possibly the Lakers here in a second. Um, but just
putting that out there. Listen, as a basketball fit with Phoenix, you need a point guard and a power forward. How about both? We would appreciate that for sure. But obviously, it it feels like the the least realistic here. It’s every every offseason it’s LeBron James is exercising his power over the Lakers in whatever way possible.
He has stayed with the Lakers for quite some time now. How long has it been now? It’s been his longest tenure with
seven years.
I think it’s been eight and that’s his longest tenure with a single team. Like obviously the Cavs if you stack them together he was there longer but
consecutive tenure.
Yeah. You know what would be crazy?
What if Brown just waved or what if Brown was just bought out cuz that’s what everybody’s doing.
The DeAndre the DeAndre and LeBron James Jordan Clarkson Damen Lillard stretch. Everybody’s trying to trying to match each other and buy out energy.
That’s nuts. Well, we’ve gone over Bradley Beal deals. What about Nick Richards? What about Grace now? What about Royce O’Neal? We have trades for all of those players. It’s going to be exciting because the Suns, yes, they have big moves they could be making, but they could also make some more moves around the margins. We’ll get to those right after our final break. Listen, it’s not often that I’m jealous of Derek Montia, but I was recently because he was able to stay at Hilo River Resorts and Casinos. You like that one, didn’t you? Wild Horse Pass. Now, I was lucky enough I was able to stay a couple of months ago at Hilo River Resorts Casino’s Wild Horse Pass. It was a wonderful experience, but Derrick got to do it more recently, and I’m a jealous hater, so I wanted to do it now. But if you want a station, kick your feet up by the pool, go get a nice bite to eat, whether it’s upscale at a steakhouse or if it’s just chilling. Maybe you just want a slice of pizza. Maybe you want to go to a sports bar. Maybe you want to go to the sports book or the state-of-the-art gaming floor. Throw back a couple of drinks. Go watch a live show. You do it all at all the different locations for Hila Rivers and casinos. Me personally, I’m partial to Wild Horse Pass is where we have all of our Phoenix Suns. Watch parties at where we do a bunch of our live events. It is so much fun. But the number one rule, and don’t you forget it, Gerald. You do you at Hila River Resorts and Casinos. Visit playhila.com for more information. And I’m such an idiot. It’s so annoying. I really hated that I missed out on the Circle K inner circle gas rewards day when I needed gas. I was almost out of gas and I could have saved 50 cents off per gallon, but I was slacking and I forgot. Don’t be like me. Join the inner circle by downloading the Circle K app today, putting in your email, putting in your phone number, and bam, you’re automatically saving money. 25 cents off per gallon on fuel when you buy three Coca-Cola 20 ounce products. You want a $1 cookie? Have a $1 cookie. Listen, if you visit four times, visit uh visit four times and save 25 cents off per gallon. You can earn that once a month. 79 cent Polar Pop, 99 cent froster. We have Bismac beyond in the chat. Bism, I know you’re always donating your money to wonderful causes. So, make sure you save it by joining the inner circle today and save on gas every day. Join the inner circle for free by downloading the Circle K app today. Terms and conditions apply at participating locations. Visit circlek.com for full details. Uh we have just a star-studded chant today. Baby Keem, Bismac, Biombo, Chuckster 14, Henry Don. I mean all the stars coming out for Bradley Beal trade machine Tuesday. But Gerald, your article, it was diverse in the trades. There has been reports about Nick Richards and being on the trade market as the Suns picked up and guaranteed his $5 million salary for next season. So why not stick with LA and and send him there and get a little something back? Yeah. So, let’s take a look at one of these Richards trades. Uh, the first one, we’ve got Shake Milton and a 2032 second round pick coming back to the Suns in exchange for Nick Richards. Uh, I think that 2032 pick is the only second rounder the Lakers currently have to offer. Uh, they have a pretty barren draft chest right now. You’re not getting a first for Nick Richards. So, this is it’s really not about Shake Milton at all. It’s basically about getting off of Richard’s salary. Shake Milton is either expendable or he’s, you know, a backup point guard behind Gillespie, whatever you want to be.
$2 million less,
right? He’s he’s fully expendable one way or the other. It’s mostly about adding a second round pick to your stores and getting off of Nick Richard, you know, reducing salary so you can get closer and closer to ducking that tax apron. Uh I think Mike Scodto of Hoops Hype report that the Lakers, the Pacers, and the Knicks were interested in Nick Richards. Uh, and that makes sense for the Lakers who have yet to, you know, go land that DeAndre Aiden fish that everybody keeps talking about. Do you think, um, I guess this might be kind of hinting that trades to come, but do you think Nick is more likely to just give the Suns um some pick replenishing in the second round variety or net them talent with the second round pick
for Richards? Yeah,
I think because Richard’s $5 million salary is so low, I had a hard time coming up with trades where it was like, okay, this team could use a backup big man, but also they have a contract that’s underneath that $5 million threshold that would actually help the Suns. Cuz like I I see people are, you know, suggesting trades in the chat. Um I think I saw Dean Wade in there. The Suns can’t make a Nick Richards trade and bring back a player whose salary is more than 5 million because of the second second tax apron. So, whoever they’re bringing back,
it’s hard to find players in this league that can help a team like the Suns that make less than $5 million. So, that’s kind of my trouble. I think I would probably lean more towards cap relief or, you know, second round picks, that type of return.
And I I asked because I I looked over a handful of Nick Richard trades, too. There’s not anything of impact to find,
but where there is opportunity for teams that have not seen free agency go that way.
Yeah. Indiana Pacers are the team in mind as much as anybody because what the hell are they?
They suddenly need some big men on a cheap contract apparently.
Exactly. Death behind Miles Turner last season was an issue for them and now he’s just completely removed from the equation. Obviously no Tyrese Hallebertton going into next season either. What do you do? You need someone else that can just eat minutes up at worst and a big body that can do some of the things that your big man need to do in your system. I feel like there’s a partnership there. We’ll get to a Pacers trade in a second. Before we keep going on trades, let’s get to a couple super chats here. Uh, we just did Leo, so let’s get got game otr. $5 super chat says, “Y’all laughed at my trade. LeBron for Beiel trade on this roster. Why don’t you like the move?” Uh, it’s just more about the reality of it. I would love it.
Oh yeah, we would all love the move.
Dude, I’m telling you this, the breaking news pod. Phoenix Suns trade Bradley Beal for LeBron James would I dude? Honestly, I’m not going as far as doing that again. I’m not doing that again.
Follow him from the airport.
If y’all don’t know, I did a 24-hour stream. Um, I am a psychopath.
Yes.
For a lost bed.
Interesting. You said that really quickly, Joe. Well, we Well, maybe let’s revisit Espo’s trade thought here. A younger one, Espo. Huh, good idea. By the way, Espo said he would trade me for somebody younger, but then that would break child labor laws. Uh, okay. Uh, speaking of child labor laws, it’s a terrible transition. Rough transition. One night super chat from Jeff Ruby aka street addict one aka my father. Uh, says, “Where does Aan land? Uh, it feels like LA, but how funny would it be if it’s Indiana?”
It would be That would be the funniest timeline. That would be the funniest timeline. It Yeah, I think it comes down to either Indiana or LA. I
So, it’s either Luca or the team that offered him the max contract that we matched. Awesome.
Yeah. Cool. and sons don’t get mouth turner. I’m sorry. I’m kind of rooting for LA though because
JJ Reic coaching DeAndre Aton would be unstoppable force meets immovable object.
I have no idea how that would play out, but it’d be fascinating to watch.
I think it’d play out poorly cuz I don’t think that DeAndre Aton is moving. Uh Jackie Daytona says China bro would put up generational numbers. I’ll tell you that he still only gets the line like twice, but he would be averaging 30 and 15 probably. Is it feels like the Lakers or the Pacers to you, Stephen?
It feels like Lakers um think they’re trying to leverage other teams in so they can get more money, but it feels like Lakers are pretty much set in stone for they other options. Well, not that other options that they were considering have gone away because of being tied with Aiden. So, I imagine that happens soon.
Yeah. Don’t clip what I just said, but I’m I’m rooting for the I’m rooting for the Lakers to get DeAndre Aton because I think it would be hilarious because they would do a crazy victory lap. They would look at the points and the rebounds, but man, they would hate that take him like four game. They’d be preseason game number two and they’d be screaming at him, dude. He’d be he’d be benched late in games by like December, I think.
Nick Richards would play over him if they traded for Nick Richards and and signed DeAndre Aton. Speaking of another Lakers trade for Nick Richards, this one seems very unlikely, but I would be thrilled. Gerald, a one for one trade. Yeah. Uh, this is kind of the other alternative. You get Dalton Connect. You take a flyer on a young guy that started off really hot and then kind of fizzled as the year went along, but still shot like 37% from three. Um, he’s a wing. He plays the three. So worth a flyer potentially if if you are looking for a trade where you send out Nick Richards and you get more than just Kaply for like a second round pick or two and maybe a player that could actually help you. You’re getting younger with Dalton Connect. You’re getting a guy that maybe has potential. Maybe a change of scenery and playing for Jordan helps. I don’t know that the Lakers would do this. Maybe if they strike out on DeAndre Aton and they really need a big because Lord knows Luca needs bigs. I would be fascinated what Luca could do with Nick Richards athleticism and rim running. Um, that would be a fun pairing. And I think, you know, they you saw that connect was fully available in the Mark Williams trade that didn’t go through. So, it’s not like he’s untouchable. I don’t know if Nick Richards is high enough on that totem pole to be worth it,
but something if you were calling and talking with the Lakers, that’s where you’d have to start with the offers if you’re the Suns.
I don’t I don’t see them doing that. I think connect is a way more valuable piece right now than Nick Richards. I’d like it for us, but I I can’t see LA doing it
in a vacuum. Yes. To the Lakers, maybe not.
I mean, that’s again, maybe, but I I don’t know.
They’d have to strike out on DA, I think.
Could I could I interest you in uh Darwin Connect for uh Mark Williams? No. No, I I honestly I wouldn’t do that.
Run it back.
No, I’m joking. I’m joking. Um yeah, I don’t know. I don’t think the Lakers entertain that one, unfortunately. Unless they’re in emergency mode, the rest of the center market is washed up because they’ve been waiting on the Aiden move and he ultimately decides to go elsewhere.
I heard they’ve been in conversations with Al Horford as well
and Al Horford was also in I think conversations with Denver. Obviously, they made the trade so that’s not happening. But
they have some options that are still on the table now, but that market that was somewhat somewhat robust, it’s not quite where it was before. So,
what if we paired a couple of these trades together? What if you do the Bradley Beal Paul George trade and you get that first round pick and then you trade would you trade Nick Richards in a future first round pick for Dalton Connect in a second round pick?
No. Hell no. Dalton’s not that good. Dalton Dalton was kind of like not a main part of their rotation as the year pressed on. Like I I I would
JJ Reic benching a white shooter. I mean, it’s got to say something.
Yeah. I I’m keeping that first round pick for sure. Yeah. All right. Well, we have one more Nick Richards trade. Let’s get to that one. This one not to the Los Angeles Lakers, but it is to another team that was mentioned. It is the Indiana Pacers. Yeah. So, looking at the Pacers salary, there aren’t that many options in terms of what you can take back that fits under that $5 million threshold like we were talking about for Nick Richard’s salary. So, you’re looking at Ben Shepard, a guy who’s pretty young. Um, he had some pretty decent moments in the playoffs. Everybody remembers him celebrating and and the trademark mustache that he bears. So, that’s fun. Uh, but honestly, you’re looking at their roster. The only two guys that are under 5 million are Ben Shepard at 2.7 million and Johnny Fury at 1.9 million. I’d probably rather have Shepard. Um, although Fury’s 6’8 and shoot,
I think I think I think if you’re taking I think you take a flyer on Fury there,
but Fury doesn’t work salary wise just by himself. And I don’t think you’re getting Shepherd and Fury for Nick Richards. So that’s the problem. So we’re looking at Shepard in a second for Nick Richards.
It’s not great, but you get a second and you get another young player to maybe see what they’re about. Yeah. Before we get to Steven’s take on this, plus we do have Grayson Allen trades, Royce O’Neal trades as well. I want to remind everybody who is watching on TV. The party always continues, including reading Gerald’s article and becoming a diehard for a discount over at gophnx.com, which means it’s time for overtime here on PHNX Suns. Let’s reset a little bit. Thank you all so much for joining us here on a Tuesday. Just about 700 of you in here on July 1st talking Bradley Beal, Nick Richards, Grace Now and Royce O’Neal trades. Hit that like button, hit that subscribe button. Also, make sure that you go buy your alignment shirt today because we have a brand new shirt. It’s the first new Sun shirt we have had in a while because it’s the first time we’ve had something to be excited about in a while for the sun. So, make sure you go to gophx.com. Become a dieh hard today for just $36. And look at this. Get this sexy, sexy, sexy alignment shirt. And you can twin with me because I will also be wearing it as soon as it gets delivered in the mail. Do you think this trade is sexy, sexy, sexy, Stephen Ben Shepard for Nick Richards? Throw a little second round pick in there.
I like the prospect of Ben Shepard. I
But do you think it’s sexy? I like I like the prospect of Ben Shepard with the Suns. I think he’s a young piece that you can you can kind of invest in. He’s on a little bit of the timeline of some of the rookies you’re bringing into the mix as well.
Um, and obviously would this is his third? I think so. He’s only 23.
Mhm.
Cuz would you still would you get his birth rise is what I’m kind of getting at. That’s a good question. I’d have to check what is left on his contract because I feel like he’s getting close to being at the end of that.
He’s played this would be his third season coming up. So he’s played two seasons with Indiana. 23 24 25. Okay. Um just asking because if you get another young piece that you’re internally investing in with your skill development program, which is something that your head coach as well as other pieces have as one of their best skill sets,
for someone that’s under cost control for the team going forward, I think that’s a good bit of contractual business for you.
He he does have a team option for next year for 5 million. He is extension eligible after 2026. Uh sorry, he’s on the books for 2.8 eight million this upcoming season and then I think before the start of this season they would have to make a decision on his team option for the following year. Well, you know what I’ve always said there’s one thing the Suns need it’s another 66 shooting guard. So that
at least he’s a bigger one. At least he’s not 6’4.
Yeah. Yeah. I I don’t I don’t hate it.
He played a little bit of three last season for for the Pacers.
I honestly I think at this point with Mark Williams injury history I think with this trade I think I I think I hold on. I think I hold on. I think I hold on to Nick Richards.
I like Ben Shepard, but I don’t like Ben Shepard like that much. Do you think Nick’s value diminishes from what it is right now considering there’s not many options on the on the center market?
I don’t know if it Here’s the thing. I think there’s a chance that Mark Williams ends up getting injured and Nick Richards plays five minutes in a way better situation with a way better coach and way better defense around him and he could probably do a little bit better. You might have a contending team that’s dealing with injuries that needs a backup center by the deadline. you might be able to deal him for a flyer at that point, too. I I just at this point, if like Shake Milton’s gonna play point guard for you and you get a second round pick, I like that fit a little bit better. Obviously, Don Connect is a young guy who could play the three. That’s the the layup one there. But Ben Shepard, I enjoy. He plays hard. He doesn’t slot into a positional need for the Suns. I don’t really want an undersized three playing alongside Devin Booker or Jaylen Green or whoever it might be. and a second round pick is nice, but at that point like I like that the Suns have center depth and I know that OSO is there as well, but Nick Richards is is a seven foot big man who is going to almost seven foot big man who is who’s going to be able to fill in some minutes for Mark Williams who you don’t know if he’s going to be able to play the whole season. So, I I think I hold on to him in that scenario, but I’m not like I’m not like going to freak out if that ends up being a trade that they pull. I think if you make a trade like this, you kind of need to have something lined up in terms of this is what we’re going to do next to get under the second tax apron. This is who we’re going to use a roster spot on instead. Um because I do think there’s some something to the effect of like yes, you brought in Kaman Malawatch in terms of you know guarding against Mark Williams injury problems. But there is something to be said of having that experience of having an athletic rim running big who might look better under Jordan Kn than he did under Mike Benhozer. I will say though, the 2027 second round pick is one of the more valuable seconds that we’ve talked about because this one would be coming from Utah um two years from now.
It’s not like super far away.
Yeah, I would put this probably in the top 10 selections of the second round. Just gauging right now. You never know, but um just something to think about.
So you So are you guys okay with going into next season and maybe even finishing the season with Nick Richards as well as Osu Garo?
Um on the roster? I I would say I probably wouldn’t want to finish this season, but I’m okay starting the season and giving those two some run and see how they look. I I think if one of them plays a little bit above their their head and you can use them to to get a good piece that fits a little bit better long term because you don’t need four centers long term,
I’m okay with that. But
with the the injury prospects and the raw rawness of of Kaman Malawatch, I’m okay with them holding on to that if it is for a deal that maybe doesn’t bring a ton of value. But the 2027 second round pick I think is a good point that there’s a chance that it’s a high second round pick. We saw what the Suns did with one of those this year and it’s soon. It’s not like a 2032 like that second round pick could help you by 2027. I believe that this front office wants this team to be competing again. Yeah. And having a second round pick and hitting on a second round pick might help put them over the top without having to spend a ton of money. So there is definitely some value there for sure. And to answer your question, I would if my options are go into the season with all four centers or trade OSO and keep Nick, I would probably rather just keep all four centers than trade OSO just to clear some log jam. Like I think if you’re going to trade a center to clear that, it has to be
Richards for me. Listen, we have again we have a ton of people who are in chat right now. Just about 650. We’re almost at 100 likes. Listen, we haven’t been hitting the like goal, but we’ve had such an incredible week. We should have been doing the like goal. 50 right now is the like goal. Hit that like button. There’s easily more than enough of you to hit that right now. I’m sure even some of those who hit a like had to step out for a second. So, there’s a ton of you in here right now. We’ve got three more trades. We’re in overtime for you. I mean, come on. Gerald’s got a kid to take care of him. He’s still alive talking to you. Hit the damn like button. We got over a hundred right now. Thank you all so much. All right, we have one Grayson Allen trade for you. So, let’s go ahead and get that Grayson Allen trade and send him back home to Memphis. Grayson Allen for another center, another short center, Brandon Clark and a 2029 first round pick swap. Jared, what was your reasoning for this one?
So, this one is the Grizzlies need shooting in a bad way because they just traded Desmond Bane to the Orlando Magic. Yes, they got KCP back, but he had a rough shooting year and then they lost Luke Canard to the Atlanta Hawks in free agency. So, they need some shooting on the perimeter. We know that Grayson Allen can provide that. Uh, the Memphis Grizzlies are officially the New Orlando Magic in terms of where it gives you to talk about Grayson
considering the trade that just went down.
Exactly. Um, so I I think that would make sense for Memphis. I think Brandon Clark is not someone who’s off limits for them by any means. And I think he addresses I I like this trade a little bit more before the Nigel Hayes Davis news broke because you did just add another body to the four spot on your roster. Um, but Brandon Clark’s athletic. I think he’s become a little bit underrated because in the first couple years he kind of fizzled a little bit.
Um, but I think he could help and I think you get this is one of the few deals where you get a first round pick. It’s only swap rights. It’s not an outright first round pick. It’s a 2029 swap rights with Memphis. But they got a bunch of picks from the Orlando deal. So maybe they would be expendable if they thought, man, we really need shooting if we want to compete. Grayson’s a guy. Maybe they might be willing to play ball with you on swap rides in 2029. I I you need to do something with your centers in in like in contingency with this move, Stephen, because I can’t have five centers on the roster. I can’t do it.
Well, he’s more of a four,
but he doesn’t but but he’s he’s a four who doesn’t shoot. So, he’s in the same oso category and you can’t really play that guy alongside Mark and Malawatch unless they develop threes, which neither of them have done in a pro level. So, it’s I like I like the swap like playerto player wise and I do like Brandon Clark fitting with this team, but I don’t like that log jam that it creates. It kind of it’s like, okay, now we have a super shooting guard log jam and a semi-center log jam. Now we have a semi shooting guard log jam and a super center log jam and just kind of swapping that. But you get a pick.
Yeah, that’s where this one gets a little tough just as far as far as the roster balance part goes. Mhm. But I think I think you did some good work finding this one and finding a context that makes sense.
Um, unfortunately with the fluid nature of free agency, we’ve gotten some news and not right now. I’m not breaking anything.
I was like I was like
I thought about it when I set it up. I was like, “No, let me read. Let me just
I was like, I just checked to Sham’s notifications.
PG bomb.” As I’m reading Gerald’s article earlier earlier today and there’s news left and right and I keep looking up because I’m not finishing it because I’m looking at some other trade or some other signing that’s happened.
Detroit has significantly lost a lot of the shooting that insulated K Cunningham the way that they needed him to last year.
Yes. So, while reading this morning, naturally come across the thought of maybe there’s something that could be worked out with Detroit, whether it’s a two-teamer or a three-teamer. I feel like there may be some traction there because they’re sorely needing shooting after Malik Beasley has everything in the world not basketball related going on Junior’s gone to the um to the Nuggets.
But they did just sign Duncan Robinson. Steven is unmoved by the Duncan Robinson. do is shoot.
That is
the one thing the guy can do is shoot. I’ve said some stupid things that deserve the side eye. That did not deserve the side eye. I will stand on that. That did not deserve it.
I think it was more about Duncan Robinson than about you.
They were playing shooters that could do things more than just shooting though. Okay. My bad, man.
Duncan,
my bad, dude. That was on me.
It’s a little
I wish we had a camera set up right here where I saw Steven’s eye line of sight because that was fantastic.
You know, like I’m like I’m a self-aware guy. Like I deserve the side eye a lot of the time. That was not one of the times. I will stand on that.
I I think it was more so about Duncan Robinson than about you. Still didn’t deserve it. Still didn’t deserve it.
But I will say so it would it would make if they are going to pursue a Grayson Allen, it would have to be a three-team deal because the only piece that really makes sense for Grayson 16.9 million would be Isaiah Stewart at 15 million. And that’s another center. We are actually good on those now. So, it it would probably make more sense as a three-team deal where Grayson goes to Detroit, a third team sends Phoenix something, and you send Isaiah Stewart to a third team. Maybe someone like that needs a big Isaiah Sword and Dylan Brooks on the same team.
Watch out. Somebody’s getting punched and they ain’t on our team. Yeah, that’s
uh we got two more trades for you. Let’s wrap it up here on PHX. Hit that like button. Hit that subscribe button as well. Still a bunch of you in here. Uh let’s see, where are we on the almost at 150. We’re 15 likes away. 16 really
good job y’all. I appreciate y’all.
Well, I mean, not good job yet. Hit the like button and get to 150.
And then I’m I’m going to give him the side eye now.
Said we’ll talk when we reach our goals.
Royce O’Neal is definitely somebody we could see being traded. Obviously, there are reports out there that both Grace Town and Royce will be back on the Suns, but if they do make a move outside of Beal, he’s a name to watch. How about the team that might have had the best off season so far? As much as it pains me to say,
the Denver Nuggets bringing home a uh a local guy, uh Don Holmes the second in a 232 second round pick for Royce O’Neal. What What would be your reasoning for this one, Gerald?
Well, I’ll tell you, I like this deal a lot better before the Nuggets made a lot of moves to shore up their rotation. I think they’re pretty close to being set now. But maybe if they’re not optimistic about Holmes being able to come in and have an impact in his first real season coming off that pretty devastating Achilles tear in summer league, maybe this is something that could happen because Royce is a solid two-way wing still. And I think if he’s a little bit more insulated and not relied upon to be like the designated stopper like the Suns kind of needed him to be, I think he would fit a lot of what Denver does. I think he’s a smart player. I think his shooting helps. I think being able to guard multiple positions helps. Um, you’re getting a flyer on Holmes, who’s a younger guy, a guy that we really liked in our draft evaluations last year, but obviously coming off the injury, there’s that risk. So to insulate against that, you get a 20 32 second round pick. That’s the only second that the Nuggets have available to trade. So not a great deal, but you do shed pretty significant salary if you are the Suns with this deal. I really liked Duron Holmes uh doing draft scouting with Flex last year. and him. Koware. Yes, Stephen. It’s okay to tell them they did a good job now. They hit 150 likes. So,
all right. Good job.
Stephen has to say
I already said it. Good.
Let me be the first to say chat, feuding PH and X.
I I like I like Don Holmes and I do think that his future he can play the four and I actually think he fits with Mark Williams and Mawash. Obviously, the the injury is is big concern because you never really got to see him play. But that that was a first round pick, right? That was somebody that the Suns actually traded with so the Nuggets could get up, select Deron Holmes. They moved back and selected Ryan Dunn. To walk out of that draft with Ryan Dunn and Don Holmes, I think would be
be pretty good. I I like Holmes. I would do this. It saves you money. I like Royce, but where this team is at right now, I don’t love Royce to the point where I don’t want to take a flyer on somebody who I I would still take in the first round in a reddraft of last year, even without seeing him play. I think he’s that talented.
Yeah, I I hear that part.
Do you like his game, Don?
Yeah,
I think he fits.
Um, obviously there’s a little risk just because of the the recent injury, but
he might be worth them taking a fly on with where they are right now. Yeah,
and I think that’s a relevant point that that’s been brought up.
Getting younger and bigger. He’s 6’10, can potentially play the four and the five, can do some things with the ball, can do some things as a shooter. He’s he’s a pretty versatile guy if he does pan out.
Um, and I like Royce, but if we’re being realistic about this team and how competitive it might be next year, it might make a little more sense to get younger. I
actually do think it’s a win-win to to be completely honest because the the Nuggets are clearly they’re all in right now. Nicole Joic’s prime is right now by their free agency moves, by what they’re doing. They just gave up a first round pick to get Cam Johnson. They get Tim Hardway Jr. They get Bruce Brown. They get Jonas Valentunis. Like they are all in on this season. I think Royce O’Neal is a is a good little insurance policy there for them. Somebody who could play well off of Nicole Yokic. He’s a smart player. I thought he actually got better at driving at the rim last season. I I like that trade. But what about a different Royce O’Neal trade? The final trade we have here for Trade Machine Tuesday. Hit that like button for our final trade. This one I don’t know if the Spurs do, but I would also do this one. Gerald Sohan for O’Neal.
Yeah, I don’t know that the Spurs do this. I I think we had to throw one optimistic trade outside of LeBron in there because most of these have been pretty muted returns that we’re talking about. Um, but the salary works there. I think if you’re the Spurs and you’re trying to make more of a leap, and honestly, this is the biggest part. you don’t want to pay Sohan’s next contract because you’re worried about that being an inflated number for a guy who has been pretty uh stagnant offensively with his growth. Maybe you consider a Royce deal and you’re trying to take that next step this season with a lot of the moves that you’ve made. Royce is a wing that could help anybody. I like Sohan on the Suns in terms of being 6’8 power forward, longer. Again, I like this deal before they went out and added Nigel, but uh yeah, like defensive-minded, you would have to figure out his next contract situation, and you’d have to figure out whether the guy can actually shoot at all ever, maybe one day. Um, but this is a good this is a good young player to take a flyer on.
Don’t do what he I’m just saying. It is open gym season. I I I heard Eucenich and Jeremy Sohan were trading bucket forbucket from deep. They just both couldn’t miss. So big shooting season’s coming for them, right, Stephen?
Yeah. And when you smiled, I already knew where you was going. I saw it in my periphery while I’m listening to J. I’m like, “Oh, Lord.”
You got like a six sense for me now.
Here it comes.
What I will say, um, if the Spurs were willing to do this, this would be great for both teams. Yeah.
I just don’t know if the Suns value or the Spurs value Royce the way that the Suns might be wanting them to. Yeah. Um maybe there’s a different route where Grayson goes there. I talked about the Spurs wanting Khan Canibipple. Obviously, they couldn’t get high enough in the draft with having number two outside of Dylan Harper to go and make that happen. Obviously, you have to flip it because Grayson makes sign significantly more money than Royce does, but it might be an alternative route to that deal. That’s another one I thought about outside of the Nick Richards instances was who needs Grayson outside of the Detroit Pistons. Mhm.
I think the San Antonio Spurs would probably be one of the main suitors.
So, I want to see if you throw in Malachi Brham, his he makes just under 5 million on top of Sohan’s 7.1 million. If that works financially, I don’t know if it’s close enough because Grayson’s at 16.9 million.
Um, it does work mathematically for you.
I don’t know if they’d be willing to toss in Brandham on top of Sohan. Would the Suns have to throw in a second round pick? Maybe the one they got back their own in 2029 from
though because you are going from Royce to Grayson. I think Grayson has more trade value than Royce does.
So maybe that makes up for it.
Yeah,
I still I still think they would probably value a young guy like Sohan a little bit more than Grayson if they ask for a second round pick and you get those two guys. I I mean he would be your starting power forward and they did play him at point guard for a little bit. Is Jeremy Sohan LeBron James is the question we’re going to be answering on tomorrow’s ph. I think I I I imagine this is a deal that you obviously have to have a shooting option after this in mind because Grayson’s literally that for you. But
Sohan is a lot of what I imagine Jordan not will want from his four going into next season and that’s playmaking ability before other things and being identified on the defensive end as much as anything else.
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I say we keep him and buy him out next season if anything. Why pay 80+ only to watch him play for a rival and ball out for a team for 5 million a year . Nope keep him and bring him off the bench
i don’t think it’s worth to waive and stretch him this year
Crazy how you think DA would average 30 and 15 in China. He couldn't even beat out Yang Hansen in Portland
i would not ever do the paul george trade. ever. if the suns trade brad for pg i will not forgive them and trust this front office ever again
If the Suns can reach a buyout with Beal next season that's more than reasonable. Just play him this season as a sixth man fringe starter and move on. Suns should be focusing on moving Royce or Grayson for an established point guard. What about Royce for Jevon Carter and then maybe a CP3 reunion? Point guard by committee with Gillespie until next summer.
It's weird to say, but I'd actually rather have Beal than Kuzma or Paul George.
nick richards IS going to be traded
It’s almost a “play him this year” then look to unload next year situation. He knows Book and Green are locked in though.
There’s still a chance he’s dealt. I could see Atlanta wanting to pair him with Trae and Kristaps and I’ve heard ATL does want Beal to an extent. We may need a third team to facilitate.
Keep Beal as a sixth man this year. We’re not going to get a good trade and it makes no sense to waive and stretch this year.
I would welcome a Paul George for Bradley Beal trade because he would be much more productive even if he only played 55-65 games a season and even at his age he is a willing and much better defender than B.B.and besides we could do a lot worse in a trade than a highly decorated player like Paul George but i believe that the only problem would be getting him (Beal) to agree to accept a trade to philly who has made it clear that they want to get off of PG's contract ASAP
Hayes, has a a 50 point game. Most of that game was back downs and 3’s. He definitely needed the time he had overseas.
Chicago is the best option… keep Beal away from the Lakers.
Bradley does not agree with any of that. He wants a championship with the Suns. Sorry.
What are the chances the Suns give Dame Lilliard a call? Milwaukee is paying his salary after all.
Once he returns from the achilles he would start in Phoenix.
Ishbia too proud to admit that cp3 gone was a mistake and wont take hum back now smh