Where does Indiana Pacers free agency go next? What type of players do they still need to sign?

Where does Indiana Pacers free agency go next? What type of players do they still need to sign?

Where should the Pacers free agency focus go next? Snow Mouse Turner. No, DeAndre Eaton. They still need a center. They might need a point guard, too. Some internal candidates potentially rising up. Cam Jones, what’s all going on? We’ll talk about it all today on the Locked On Pacers podcast. You are Locked on Pacers, your daily Indiana Pacers podcast, part of the Locked On Network. your team every day. What’s up everybody? Happy Thursday and welcome in to another edition of the locked on Pacers podcast where we of course talk about the Indiana Pacers. As always, my name is Tony East. I cover the team for Forbes and today day three4 whatever of free agency. The Pacers have zero new additions. They haven’t even resigned anybody yet since the draft. I believe it is just them and the Warriors with no contracts inked to anyone new, including resignes. Slow moving times for a Pacers team who have to face a new reality after a brutal end to their season just under two weeks ago and they are picking up the pieces. Miles Turner is gone. DeAndre, a popular target, is going to the Lakers. We’ll talk about that some today. Where do the Pacers turn their focus now? What should this look like? How do they build from here? We’re going to get into some dorky stuff today because usually I save that for after the dust is a little more settled. But all this dorky stuff really matters for a Pacers team trying to figure out what to do. Perhaps they’re looking at this or that or trades or signings or other positions because they’re in just a weird spot with lots of kind of odd forces pushing down on them at the same time where they clearly need to add talent. But how much? How expensive? What do they need to do? There’s a lot going on. Okay. The the headlining story, I think, for most fans on day three of free agency for the Pacers was DeAndre Aton, who cleared waiverss at 5:00 p. p.m. earlier today slash yesterday slash yesterday for me because it’s well after midnight. Um, Lakers for DeAndre Aton two-year deal player option. If I’m the Pacers, that player option is kind of untenable and not exciting, but DeAndre Aton would have been a good fit for them in theory and that he’s a good player. I’m not huge on DeAndre Aton as a player, but he was the best center out there. Still laughed and the Pacers had interest. So, let’s run through this and what it means for the Pacers and then we’ll talk a little more about center stuff and then we’ll move on to plenty of other things today. So, first of all, this was very obviously expected given that the Pacers sent DeAndre in a qualifying offer in 2022. David Aldridge and Jake Fischer both reported that the Pacers did have interest in him this time around. They could have gone up to the full mid-level in theory if they wanted to sign him. Who knows if they would have gone for that second year or anything like that after’s almost $10 million buyout in Portland. He gets like two for 16 or 17 with a player option with the Lakers. Look, usually, in fact, that’s what made the Alex Lens stuff that happened for the Pacers in February so shocking to me. But usually when a team and player agree to this kind of buyout waiver situation, it’s done because the player knows they’re making up the money or have a destination already. And so I presume that when Aton and the Blazers figured this out, he knew that the Lakers was a possibility. Obviously, the Pacers reality changed in the middle of all that, but you know, it was kind of fat comply that it’d be the Lakers to me just given the forces. Obviously, Alex Len was a little different there, but uh it would have been and it would have been very funny had a player done the opposite of the Alex Len and gone from Lakers to Pacers, but alas, that’s kind of where this always felt like it was going to me. And now Aiden is off the board, double double guy. Uh but the interest from the Pacers is noteworthy, right? Reported from multiple people, too. That is at least a signal of what what would you want to call this? Their intentions or their hopes for the center spot, right? add some talent because I I thought this years ago with Buddy Heield and I would add it in now for the Pacers Center uh occupation, right? Buddy healed on the Pacers the first year he was on the team. They were like a a growing Pacers team, but they weren’t like quite ready for competition or competitive levels yet. And everybody said, “Well, why should Buddy He start a play this time?” And in my head, you need some vets who can provide provided spacing for that team so that it is easier for everybody else to do their jobs. And so I think the Pacers are going to try to win with the resources they have this coming year. But in a season that might tip a little bit more more towards development. Don’t get me wrong, they could and should have a young center that they could play. But in those minutes where they need a vet out there, having somebody who just gets bored, sets good screens, does all that stuff and makes everybody else’s life easier is helpful for the development of guys at other positions to the extent that development air quotes is even a thing that the Pacers are focused on next year. So having a good center is still valuable even if they are just kind of in running it back or look at their own kind of young guys mode at the five. But even with all that in mind, with Aiden not being an option for the Pacers anymore, I mean, that’s it for most of the starter level dudes, particularly the starter level dudes who can play like meaningful minutes in several games in a season, right? Mo Vagner’s still out there. He at one point in his career was playing starter level minutes with Orlando, but not really ever in his career. He’s never started more than 24 games in a season. Al Horford is a starter level player. I think Al Horford’s better than Eightton and he was the best center available, but he has seen his minutes per game decline, decline, decline since his last all-star appearance in 2018 and he I think Al Horford is still quite good. Provide some elements that the Pacers would like in terms of shooting, smarts, defense, veteran influence, etc. Um, what does he does he want to go to a straightup contender? What would the Pacers be willing to offer him? Besides those two guys, I think everybody else is that’s a free agent and I’ve mentioned all the names time and time again. I’ll throw in a few more this time that I would consider not starter levelish, but like take a look at or add to your rotation. They’re good enough. Uh Precious Sichua, Chris Buché, Marvin Bagley. They’re the only ones available who are like decent and made more than the minimum last year. And those guys, some might even say they’re not even decent, right? So it’ll be fascinating to see how the Pacers handle this. like because they’re at the point where there’s only a few guys left that it’s like did they just start Isaiah Jackson who to reiterate this point because I see a lot of comments and get them that people seem to be missing despite my insistence that I would not have given a qualifying offer to Isaiah Jackson. I still thought the whole time that he would be back with the Pacers that makes good sense for him and the team and I still think he’s good. He’s a good player. You just don’t know what he’s going to look like coming off of injury. He could look fantastic, right? He could be in line for a huge role this coming season that he could grow into. It’ll be fascinating to see how the Pacers handle this. I’ve been getting a lot of comments about Bull Bowl, which is really interesting to me. Every team Bull Bowl is on is like, “Yeah, we’re not really interested in this.” Even though he does put up some stats or some good numbers, that’s always very telling. I feel the same way about Luke Canard where I’m like, “Oh, I kind of think Luke Canard’s good.” And then every team he’s on is like, “Yeah, we don’t really care.” Um, I guess Bull Bull is a flyer at this point. He’s 26 now or he’ll be 26 like very early in the next season. So, that’s still youngish, but I have never really considered him a starting level player. I would personally rather just try to see what Isaiah Jackson would do at that point, but sure, throw bull bull into the center hat. Um, so he has very high highs for a few games than very low lows right after. Uh, JT Thor, Don Barlo, Kai Jones, like they did some interesting things on standard deals last year. There’s just not a lot of interesting stuff left at center, right? They’re not far from the point where a trio of some of the four they had last year makes some sense, right? Jack, Isaiah Jackson, Tony Bradley, Thomas Bryant, James Wiseman, all hanging out there in the world. Um Tony Bradley technically under contract right now. Bryant they traded for he’s unrestricted. James Wiseman is unrestricted and has been since February. You know that these are guys that clearly they valued at one point in the very recent past. Are they at the point where they just consider those guys? I’ll have more notes about Thomas Bry later, but after the Eightton resigning, that is the state of the free agent center market. We already ran through the trade, guys. Um, so, uh, stuff to keep an eye on is what the rest of today is about on lockdown Pacers in free agency with other teams, with the Pacers, with some little tiny numbers that are really going to matter as signings kind of roll in and trickle in because I think the Pacers start summer league practice fairly soon. You know, I wonder if we see a Cam Jones deal at some point. So, there’s just a lot to consider. One thing that I would keep an eye on that could be revealing for where the Miles Turner uh ending is headed, watch out for Vasilier Mechic in Milwaukee. Um Chris Livingston was waved by the Bucks uh yesterday for you listening to this and that gets the Bucks very close to the required cap space to sign Turner and they probably just can now. There’s a huge expectation, I’ve heard from a couple people around the league, that Vicilia Meich will get bought out for almost all of his contract and go to Europe to play. I’m not saying I know that’s going to happen, but it’s a possibility. The amount he gets bought out could be telling of how much space they have for a Miles Turner deal. And the amount that they would have for a signing trade versus just a straightup signing could matter and could be different, right? There are advantages of that. I don’t want to get too in the weeds there, but it’s not a huge difference, just a couple hundred,000. But there could be a way that a Meech buyout amount actually tells us what’s going to happen. And if for those of you who didn’t hear yesterday’s podcast, the advantage there is if the Pacers can turn Turner on the way out into a huge trade exception by sign and trading him for literally nothing to the Bucks and then the Bucks get Turner, that would help the Pacers have more flexibility going forward and be some sort of like in infinitely small but not nothing consolation for losing a good player for nothing in return. They might have to encourage the Bucks to do that with an asset, but um keep an eye on Vicileich, I think, as that kind of trends forward. He’s a guy that I think is interesting there. Okay, Cam Jones, what should his contract be? How much room do the Pacers actually have? Because I keep hearing that they can use their full mid-level exception, and I’m not sure that I necessarily agree. Uh a couple contracts have been signed that I think are telling for what could be coming for Isaiah Jackson. We got to talk about point guards. 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Mike Brown is the new head coach of the New York Knicks. I cannot wait to see him interact with New York media. I also think he’s a good coach. So, that will be an interesting hire and the knockdown Knicks guys will have more on what that means for the Knicks here in Pacerland. Much more to get to. Uh let’s start with the the most interesting thing here to me. Uh we start with Trey Man who was a player that I thought if you listen to this podcast every day, I wonder if the Patients would sniff around on a young point guard like him. And then he got way more money than I thought from the Hornets. And that was very revealing to me. Trey man has been hurt like a good amount, right? I think he played like 16 games last year or something like that. Let me see if I can pull it up. I only have his contract page up, but he was good in those games, right? He averaged 14 points a game. And so you always wonder, yeah, 13 games this past season. And the year before that, he played 13 for the Thunder and 28 for the Hornets. So 41 total. So, he’s played 54 games across the last two seasons. I wondered what his contract value would be. He did not get a qualifying offer from the Hornets, but then agreed to a three-year deal at about that $8 million, 24 million in total. However, the last year is a team option and is not guaranteed. Right. I found that to be interesting. What does that mean for Isaiah Jackson who did get a qualifying offer? Well, it just is very interesting to me how many of these teams have with a potential restricted free agent gone around their qualifying offer and then signed them to a longer deal at a similar number but with team control on the back. Right. Dron Sharp had this happen with the Nets. He also did not get a qualifying offer. I thought we might be talking about him as a potential Pacers target. He would have made good sense to me. Uh, so he was unrestricted free agent for about a day and then the Nets opted to keep him on a two-year $12 million deal. His qualifying offer was 5.98 million. He basically just got that over two years, but there’s a team option on that second year, right? So in in in lie of free agency or restricted free agency, he gets the same money and then team massive team control on year two. Desire Williams with the Nets does not get his big old $8.5 million qualifying offer, but gets a two-year $12 million deal with the Nets with a team option on the second year. The third year of Trey man’s deal has the team option. So, he gets some extra guaranteed money, but he was very much hurt last year. So, I bring all this up to say in regards to Isaiah Jackson, it appears based on the Pacers actions that I have been off on the valuation of what he would get per year. Uh, you know, he’s probably going to be ready by opening night. He got hurt. so early last season. And again, I think he’s a good player. You just never know coming off of an Achilles tear what an athletic guy will look like, but I have heard from other teams around the league that might have had interest in him. Right. So clearly there is interest in Isaiah Jackson. That framework does make some sense, right? I I mentioned like three for 15 for him yesterday or two days ago, I can’t remember. You know what? If it’s like two for 12 with a team option, two for 10 with a team option. And so Jackson obviously coming off an injury gets a pretty good amount of guarantee in the first year and then team control in the second year if things fall apart because of him not being up to snuff or him not being as good as he was pre-injury. You just never know or it could be awesome and then the Pacers just pick up the option and have a cheapo good center. Right? That’s a framework to look at just because other guys going through a similar process of being first round picks somewhat late in that 2021 draft uh have gone through similar things very recently. However, uh there are less tax concerns for those teams than the Pacers. And the Pacers might want Isaiah Jackson’s first year number a little lower than 6 or 5 million, which we’ll actually talk about why when we talk about the mid-level exception coming up in a minute. But that I thought because it happened three different times was an interesting concept and trend to keep an eye on for players who outside of the qualifying offer itself entered and went through free agency in a similar reality to Isaiah Jackson. Okay, that leads to my next point. The mid-level exception, the non-tax mid-level exception. Big talking point this off seasonason. I said because for a while I thought Turner would return, the Pacers would basically be functionally unable to use it. Well, guess what? Miles Turner didn’t return. So now they can use a big part of their non-T taxpayer mid-level exception and it’s about a $14.1 million contract. Dennis Shruder looks like he’s going to get basically that value over three years with the Kings, although that looks like it might turn into a sign and trade. We’ll see. And so the the question becomes people have asked what could they get with this exception? Could Aton get to this? Whatever, right? Could they trade and get somebody into that exception like that? Makes good sense. Okay, it is worth 14.1 million at its maximum value, but let’s take it a step further and ask, do the Pacers actually have the financial wig room to use the entire thing in just a signing? I actually think the answer is probably no. They do not. Right. Again, pre uh any signing, they have like 19.7 million below the tax. could be changed a little bit depending what happens with Tony Bradley. But pretend Tony Bradley is on his minimum on opening night and another random minimum salary point guard is on the team for the Pacers on opening night and Cam Jones is on the team at 1.85 million. We’ll talk about that salary guess in a minute on opening night. That’s 13 players for the Pacers, the 10 they have under contract, plus Bradley, a point guard and Cam Jones, right? So then you add in they’d have two spots left. They would need Isaiah Jackson and starting center. They’d be 16.2 million from the tax line with just the team that I just described. If Isaiah Jackson is getting more than the minimum, which seems exceedingly likely given that he got his qualifying offer, his minimum is already to basically 2.3 million. They already would not have the full mid-level. If Jackson gets say 5 million, the Pacers only have like 11 million of the mid-level to use toward an addition, right? So, I would say it could the Pacers use the full mid-level. Yeah, they could if they carry 14 into the season, if they do some funky non-G guarantee stuff with their point guard that I just made up just now. We’ll talk about that in a second. Or Tony Bradley, right? Or if Cam Jones starts at a lower number, or if they make a different trade to cut salary somewhere else. But I still think at their current spending level, after really going through the math, especially because it seems like Isaiah Jackson’s first year salary is going to be 3, four, five, six, whatever million, that they don’t have quite the full mid level. They have a good amount of it, right? Probably over 10 million that they could still spend on someone or trade for someone in that range, but I don’t quite think they can use the full thing and stay under the tax unless someone else is making less money. The problem with that is I just used minimum salaries for everybody except for Cam Jones, right? So, who else can actually make less besides Cam Jones? We’ll talk about him in again this final segment. So keep that in mind as you like think about the non-tax midlevel. You’re probably looking more at 10 or 11 million players for the Pacers unless they make a trade to shed money some other way. Uh and that is why the the oh they have this 14 million to spend now. Well, no. No, I didn’t think they really did before this either. And I still don’t think they do. Their financial reality is very confusing. Their team dynamic has totally changed in the last 10 days. And that is why they still have done zilch. No new additions, only a departure. Interesting stuff. A couple more things to get to. The point guard market actually might matter for the Pacers. Cam Jones, what is going to happen with him? Why am I so interested in his contract an exception you need to know about? And so much more to close out day three of free agency for the Pacers here on Locked on Pacers. back here on lockdown pacers. Thanks for making it a short first listen today and every single day or second listen locked on Hornets. I suppose they signed Spencer Denwy yesterday. That’s not a big enough deal to go rush over somewhere else. But I’m going to listen to like on Hornets because I’m very confused why a team with LaMelo Ball added Spencer Denwy and Colin Ston in the same off season and another point guard whose name is escaping me right now. What is going on in Charlotte? Why do they have all these point guards? I don’t quite get it. Um, okay. I messaged somebody else about that earlier. I can’t believe I forgot their third point guard they’ve gotten this off season as I was talking. The Pacers might need a point guard. Like actually, right, that has been their center need is huge. But if you look at their roster, take out Hallebertton, you know, Nemhard, Matherin, Nith, Yakam, and let’s just pencil in Isaiah Jackson and then McConnell, Shepard, Walker, Toppen, and whoever their backup five is. That’s 10 players. They still need to sign two of those. Tyrese Halurn is 11. You need another point guard. And maybe you could say Cam Jones would be their third point guard. And I could see that they did draft him. He is the point guard. He’s got talent. He’s older, too. So maybe he’ll have trust to play right away. Same argument I made with Buddy Heighten. Like I just kind of think if you’re trying to win games, having a steadying hand who knows what the heck they’re doing, especially at point guard, a very important position to get everybody else going in good positions, right, and set up and and learning how to play. I wonder if the Pacers would add another point guard to their team. It might be not great for Cam Jones first year minutes, but it would only be a one-year thing for that player anyway. You never know when Nemhard could get hurt, when McConnell could get hurt, or if even if Matherer Shepard got hurt, Nhard might go to the two like he has in the past, right? So, I just wonder if that would be beside center something the Pacers would consider, right? Between N Smith Walker, Seakum Top and Fury, uh Mather and Shepardin play up. It feels like they have enough at the two guard and the wings to kind of fill out there. They obviously need centers, but I I wonder if beyond the center stuff that’s been talked about a bunch if the Pacers would uh explore adding a minimum salary point guard. And I don’t know who that would be, right? Beyond that, there’s a ton of free agency point guards like Seth Curry, Damen Lee, Wendel Moore, Ryan Rollins, Landry Shamut, those are just guys who might you might think of as shooting guards even, but the point guard market is really deep full of potential veterans. Corey Joseph, Patty Mills, Don Wright, Campaign, Monte Morris, Jordan Mclofflin, who I’ve always liked. Love Jared Butler, Jeff Doutton, Folultz, Alfred Payeyton, who was with the Madsens for a while or the boom, excuse me. Right. There’s a lot of point guards out there who are like, “Yeah, this could make sense.” And if they’re not working out, just play Cam Jones instead. So perhaps a nonfully guaranteed deal for a third point guard is something the Pacers could consider. In fact, that’s probably where I’ll turn my focus of the Pacers for free for agency attention if slash when they figure out what they’re doing at center. That is another thing to keep an eye on as the Pacers keep going. But I don’t think they would spend more than the minimum on that player as they figure this all out. Uh let’s talk about Cam Jones for a second. I penciled in that 1.85 million number for him in that last segment that you heard. Johnny Fury last year uh was a second rounder. He went 35. His first year salary was 1.85 with a little more. Uh, two years before that, Andrew Nehard, who at the time signed a record-breaking contract, had a higher first year salary because the Pacers used actual, I believe, cap space. With him, I can’t remember if it was Spacer an exception. Regardless, he got over 2 million in the first year. Cam Jones went later than those guys. And the Pacers are in a little bit of a tighter budget, although last year with Fury, it was nice to have that cheaper salary. I wonder what Cam Jones will get and how. Right. There is these new things called the second round pick exceptions. If he gets a three-year deal, his first year salary could be anywhere between his minimum and 2 like05 million. If he gets a four-year deal, his salary could be anywhere between the zero years of service minimum, which is his minimum, and 2.3 million. So, anything functionally is possible. I would advise basically anyone using the second round pick exception to sign their players to a four-year deal. um you have to guarantee more seasons and more money that way in theory, but you get more back-end flexibility that teams like and if you can get a team option on the end, you can do that dance with restricted free agency that we’ve seen with Andrew Nhard last year with O’Shea Buret years ago, right? So, I wonder what the first year value of Cam Jones contract is going to be because the Pacers are kind of fighting, well, if you put more on the front end of it, you get a cheaper player at the back end if they’re actually as good as you hope. But they’re kind of tax conscious right now. How much do they want to give him? What kind of deal? The second round pick exception makes it easy that they will agree with something. I almost guarantee he’s on a standard deal. But his first year salary will be fascinating to me. I will pencil in with cap growth from last year, but he got picked later than Fury basically the exact same $1.85 million salary that they’ve done uh with a pick in this range before. Uh, and that matters like exactly where that lands could influence how much of the mid-level they use, which is why maybe they haven’t figured out exactly what they would give him yet or how they will build their team. So, lots of interesting stuff with Cam Jones. Amazingly, uh, okay, that is everything like big big big that I had today involving players who could or should be on the Pacers next year. The last thing to talk about is with some of their guys from last year who I haven’t talked about as much. You know, we’ve talked about Tony Bradley more because he played more often in the finals and had this team option, but it is plausible to me that the no Miles Turner left actually opens the door for a return for either Thomas Bryant or James Johnson. I kind of doubt both because they drafted Cam Jones and he’ll probably get a standard spot. They only would have four openings. Do they really want to keep both of those guys and then go Jackson, Bradley, Bryant, Johnson, no point guard, right? Is that what they want to do? I kind of doubt it, but it’s possible that two guys that I’ve kind of talked about less because of other additions and other focuses for the team are actually in the mix, right? Thomas Bryant takes threes that’s valuable in the Pacer system and in the regular season that went well, even though he certainly um I think was less effective than Bradley in the last two rounds of the playoffs after. He had moments, right? He he had two awesome closeout games. Like I don’t want to say Thomas Bryant did not meet expectations in the playoffs. just their specific needs as the postseason progressed required more Tony Bradley and I think that was the right call. But it’s possible to me that Thomas Bryant could be back. However, I would think the preference would be that for a fully healthy Pacers, he’d probably be like more of the third center than the backup. Who knows? Maybe it comes down to who’s willing to take more slash less guaranteed money in this case between Bryant and Bradley. I don’t I I have not poked around on that at all, but I wonder if there’s more of a chance for a Bradley return than initially I or excuse me, a Bryant return than I initially thought. Uh, but that’s plausible now given I think that Turner’s departure opens a potential center spot for the team and James Johnson just a vet that is so beloved. You know, I wondered coming into free agency if they were going to be in over the tax because of Turner if it would just not be feasible to use a roster spot on him again, especially with the Cam Jones addition clearly probably about to soak up a roster spot. Someone has to leave to open it. But if they can believe in the Isaiah Jackson plus one more center plus like Enrique Freeman on a two-way grouping uh and then give themselves like a non-g guaranteed 15th player, maybe they believe in that as a center rotation and use James Johnson to be that non-G guaranteed 15th player. Uh alas, the door is open for them maybe more than I thought and that they they deserve more discussion for me than they’ve gotten, which is more on me than anything else. Okay, that is it for day three of Pacers free agency. They have watched their starting center leave and nothing else has happened outside of their draft pick editions. When will it happen? Who knows? Their situation is so complicated that I wonder what they’re thinking. Are they trying to get a trade done? Trades are harder early in free agency. Are they targeting certain free agents? Who knows what the Pacers might be doing. I think internal candidates might be their next focus at center. Get something on the board. Figure it out from there. Thank you all so much for listening today. You can find me on Twitter and Blue Sky, Tony Aris. This podcast is on Twitter at Lockdown Pacers and Instagram under the same handle. Back tomorrow talking more presumably free agency and then summer league practices start this weekend so you’ll hear lots from the Pacers then. Thank you all so much for listening. We will see you very soon.

The Indiana Pacers have yet to make an addition in free agency. Where does free agency go for them now that Myles Turner is gone? Deandre Ayton heads to the LA Lakers, what else is there at center? Host Tony East breaks it all down on top of some cap nerdery.

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