Jonas Valanciunas’ STUNNING European Escape | Bradley Beal Buyout from Phoenix Suns?
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We appreciate you joining us on the July 4th episode of the show, which I think is actually kind of fun. We’re going to talk about Yonas Valunis potentially leaving the NBA. Bradley Beal independence. See what I did there from the and then fireworks in a potential seven which is kind of crazy to think about. We’ll act we’ll talk about if that actually matters in any capacity here. Today’s episode of Lockdown NBA game night is brought to you got by Game Time. Download the Game Time app, create an account, use code lockdown NBA for $20 off your first purchase. So, let’s get right into this one, John, because I think this is what the potential to be one of the weirdest things we’ve ever seen in the UK. And that is Jonas Valudis, who has been reportedly traded from the Sacramento Kings to the Denver Nuggets, is considering leaving the NBA to go to Greece and play in the Euro League instead. What?
What? Right.
What? um
half a season in with with the with the Sacramento Kings, the dude’s like, “Yep, nope. I’m done. Get me out of here.”
He went from what was it? Memphis to New Orleans.
Toronto Toronto to Memphis to Toronto to Memphis to New Orleans to Washington to Sacramento. And he’s like, “All right, enough. Enough.” But dude, he was going to Denver. You’re there to back up Jokic. Like that’s that is a really good situation. Denver’s a great city. That’s a great spot. The the Nuggets, honestly, you know, there’s some debate about how they’ve constructed their team still, but you know, the depth and and the the types of players that they had, but they were right there. They gave the Thunder a run. They they could have potentially if a couple of things broke differently, they they could have been in the finals, they could have won a championship. And so to to have that opportunity to play with one of if not the best player in the world and say, “You know what? I don’t know. I I think I’d rather go play in Greece.” Look, man, I’m Greek. And I’m like,
“Yeah, you love this, right? You do the same thing here.
I I if somebody wanted to pay me $36 million to go play, I’d be like, I this sounds great, man.” But
3 years 36 million is the report from Panafay Coast in Greece. Which is a lot of money.
I think one of the things, one of my takeaways is like, wow,
these big-time Euro League teams, the Panathan Coast level, Olympia coast level teams in Greece, they’re paying legit money, man. They’re they’re not that’s not just a place for like Dominique Wilkins to go play out his career like he used to once upon a time. This is a place that where the the real like they’re paying real money and can be real competitive. The the the Euro League teams are starting to catch up to not NBA money, but three and 36 is
I mean like good role player money, right? Like that’s near the mid-level exception or something like that. Like if you can’t get that at the NBA level, go go get it overseas. I think in a sense. Yeah. I I’m laughing when you mentioned he was going to go play with Joic. Yonas Valunis oddly plays like exceptionally well against Joic. So maybe now that he was joining his team, he wouldn’t have those good performances against Joic. And maybe that’s part of why he’s like, “Well, if I can’t play against Jokic at all, I got to get the heck out of here.” Right. Right. Right. Right. It’s just like that’s my magic touch. That’s I’ve been basing my whole career earnings on playing against you, playing with you. Like what does that what does that do for me? No, look, it puts it puts Denver in a bind, right? Doesn’t it
big time? We everyone liked their off season, right? I think they were considered one of the winners of free agency with the way they kind of reshaped their roster. They needed a backup five. They got a very good backup five in Yonis Vunisk, like consumate professional.
This starting there, right? Like this is a huge blow for them and what they were looking to kind of how they were looking to kind of reinvent their roster in a sense. I I can’t even remember when they had a backup center for Jokic that was going to be as good as as Valenunis. So that’s that’s a big loss potentially for them. You can sit there and you mentioned this before the show like hey you get Darl Sarich off the books that was a complete misstep and so you work out if you work out a buyout and I would assume that he would give back a fair amount of money
majority of the money. Yeah. in the buyout, you know, because if you’re going to go overseas, like I think the the whole point of it is to say, “Hey, my bad. I was never intending to like do this.” And and from Yonas Jonas’s perspective, like I don’t think he was be being you like he he was thrilled to be playing in Sacramento. So, I’m sure his agent was like, “Let me work on something for you.”
Oh, yeah. We’ll get this deal. Then all you get traded, he’s like, “Oh, okay.” So he also like having covered him and and knowing him and his family like he doesn’t like being traded. He’s someone who like really very much wants stability with his family. So being traded basically three times in a in a year period is probably not something that he particularly loves and I wonder if it’s just like all right I’m done with the way the transaction game goes in the NBA and I want out. You know it’s it’s what what I find so interesting about this is it you know had the trade been rescended right we’re in the moratorum. It’s not official yet. You could have unwound this and that would have been that and the the impact would be massive because in this deal of sending him to Denver for Dario Sar that cleared enough room for the Kings to get Dennis Shruder and then would it undo that deal and then how does that impact a team like Detroit all of a sudden with what they’re doing and it’s just this kind of big like you know like the like the Russian dolls of like one thing then another then another and you’re like oh wow but even still you’re going to get some of that which is what kind of makes this so intriguing like we’re leading off the show talking about Jonas Valunis when we could easily do LeBron James buyout rumors or something like that. But this is the type of thing. We’re not going clickbaity here unlocked on NBA game night. You like if you know they need another backup center. Do they now make a run at Al Horford and does that impact a team like the Golden State Warriors? Like this is touching like six, seven, eight teams potentially.
I think going for Al Horford would be a nice move for them anyway. Yeah.
So, like honestly, this might work out well for Denver. Uh they’re costconcious. So, you got Valenunis. Uh you got off of Sarich. So, you still end up getting off of Sarich. If if Valenunis gives back a lot of that money in a buyout,
you almost have to give all of it, right? Like
I would imagine if he’s trying to favor here.
Yeah. Why would they? Um and so, okay, fine. We’ll give we’ll let you go. Just give back the money. We’ll let you go. Go play in Greece. Whatever. No problem. You turn around, you give Al Horford what? Taxpayer mid-level at the most. 5 million. Yeah. Or so. And And Horford, listen, I’ve I’ve watched Al Horford up close for many years now in Boston. He is You want Al in your locker room. You want Al on the floor. He is gonna he’s gonna really When you talk about Nuggets losing the nonic minutes, Horford is actually going to help you not lose those as badly. You might actually win a few of those minutes because Horford knows how to play the game. He’s still very good. He can still hit shots. He can make He’s a great passer. He’s a great facilitator still at his age. So, you can save a fair amount of money. you can pay him the the taxpayer mid-level or somewhere between that and the veteran minimum.
I think I think they have access now to the non- taxpayer midle. If the trade goes through and Yonas just gives him all his money back and you’re getting Sar’s contract off the books, I think that gives him the 14.1 non- tax like they have for them to do a ton of stuff.
You can you can get Al Horford and then go get somebody else. And depth has been the number one problem for Denver. like you have some good players, but you don’t have enough good players. So,
honestly, from a Denver Denver Denver perspective, if this works out the way we’re talking about,
this actually could work out great. It’s just a matter of does Al Horford,
you know, if if you can get Al Horford and prime away from what seems to be a fatal compa, but go going to Golden State. If you can get Al, then that would be that actually would be a really nice kind of landing spot considering that this is like a very kind of wild crazy rug being pulled out from under the Nuggets.
Uh, it also kind of throws things into I don’t want to say chaos for the Golden State Warriors, but all of a sudden kind of leaves them a little bit more uncertain than they, you know, had a weirdly quiet uncertain offseason. It’s really interesting just one domino in Jonas Malunis falling and it’s impacting multiple teams around the league. We’ll see what ends up happening here, but this is something that certainly is going to impact the Western Conference playoff race in some capacity next season. Let’s talk about another guy maybe leaving his team, Bradley Beal. Could the Phoenix Suns buy him out? How would it work? Let’s look at that because I think that’s kind of interesting. That’s coming up here next in today’s episode of Locked on NBA Game Night. Today’s episode of Lockdown NBA Game Night is brought to you by Game Time. Game Time makes getting concert tickets easier and faster than ever. And prices actually drop as it gets closer to showtime. And you can save up to 60% off with their killer lastminute deals. Look, whether it’s concert tickets, whether it’s sporting events, I’m in Los Angeles right now. I’m going to Dodger Stadium tomorrow. I bought my tickets on Game Time. I want to go see Otani. I haven’t been there in a minute. I want to make sure I get the best seats. I want to be able to see exactly what I want. I can do that with the panoramic seat views on Game Time. So, you know exactly what you’re buying with no surprises. And the Game Time guarantee has your back. Whether the tickets drop, whatever it might be, you’re getting the best deal possible. So, take the guesswork out of buying concert tickets, show tickets, sporting event tickets with Game Time. Download the Game Time app. Create an account and use code locked on NBA for $20 off your first purchase. Terms apply. Again, create an account. Redeem code L O L O L O L O L O L O L O L O L O L O L C E D O NA for $20 off. Download the Game Time app today. Last minute tickets, lowest prices guaranteed. And thank you for making Lockdown NBA game night your first listen today and every day. We are here still seven days a week covering everything going on around the association. For your second listen though, go just check out Locked on NBA, Matt Hayes. They’re all covering everything over there where that you want. And Doug too, I shouldn’t forget about him. Kind of the the host there covering all of the big stories just like us here. We got all the coverage in the NBA offseason. Part of the lockdown podcast network, your team every day. All right, let’s keep the the independence theme going here, John. And that is Bradley Beal. The Phoenix Suns still need to figure out what the heck they’re doing. But I’ve seen some rumors floating around that maybe, just maybe, they could agree to a buyout with Bradley Beal. And I talked on on Locked on Pelicans about stretching and waving a guy because I hadn’t really seen that happen in a minute till the Damen Lillard news, which was just straight up shocking to me. But the Phoenix Duns cannot are not allowed to stretch and wave the Bradley Beal contract with how much money he is owed. There’s actually a cap on how much dead money you’re allowed to keep on the books. And because they stretched and waved EJ Liddell and Nasser Little, they’re over it that amount if they were to try and stretch and wave Damen Lillard. But the way that they could do it is by buying out Damen Lillard. And I think there’s some misnomers about what an NBA buyout is. It’s not the team buying out a player. It’s the player giving money back to the team, thus reducing their cap hit.
If you were to reduce Bradley Beal, he’s owed about 110 million left over the next two years. It’s a player option the second year. If you get that number down to 90 million, he gives back 20 million. You can then stretch that over five years and it becomes legal for them. So, is that a smart move? Is that a realistic move for the Phoenix Suns? God, no. God, no. That’s terrible. That’s So, what does that work out to be per year? Like,
it’s about like like call it 18 million. If if it’s a $90 million buyout and you stretch that over five years, it’s about $18 million per season of dead money just from him.
Just from him. And then you got Nasier Little who is waved and stretched through 31. So, that’s another 3.1 million. So, you’re now at 21 million of dead cap for the next five years. That is I I just look uh Phoenix can can do it if they want. I was shocked when Milwaukee said they were going to do that with Dame. You don’t see it that
anymore.
No, because having 20 plus million dollars of dead money on your cap,
it’s absolutely a killer. You can’t trade it. You can’t mitigate it. It’s just there. You’re paying it. Everybody else’s salary cap is what it is and yours is 20 plus million dollars less. It doesn’t make any sense to me. Um you
get 20 million in cap space to spend. Right. People need to remember with the soft cap that once you’re above that, it’s not like you could just spend money. You’re just limited to exceptions all of a sudden.
Right. Right. And so if you take his 53 million now from the Phoenix perspective, you take his 53 million and you knock that down to uh 18 and you you have you’re at this point 6 million over the second apron. Uh you’re 16 million over the first apron. Now you’re getting you’re getting closer to not even like you want to get yourself down to the luxury tax line. So
yeah,
my my my honest take here is that Phoenix has has spent a lot of money. Matt Ishbia has uh his bravado has reached um like like the Brooklyn Nets uh remember Procarov after he bought the Brooklyn Nets and just spent spent spent and they did that Paul Pierce Kevin Garnett
weird era that was by the way crazy
but this is this is the modern version of that and the same level of regret brash owner comes in and says spend spend spend and and you do it, you do it indiscriminately. You do it without worrying about the fit for your team. And now it’s like, oh god, cut, cut, cut. It’s very much, have you ever seen Trading Places? One of my favorite movies.
At the end, it’s like sell. It’s like you you screwed up the frozen concentrated orange juice market. Now you’re going completely broke. They’re going to sell your seats on the on the uh exchange. This this is what Matt Ishbia is facing. To me, it reeks of desperation. And they’re gonna give Devin Booker 70 plus million dollars to stay per year over an extension. And by even by the end of that, I don’t even know how they climb out of the hole that they’ve dug. This is a bad bad bad situation for Phoenix. It It’s weird. My my question to this too would be why would Bradley Beal even do that? Why would he give $20 million back if if he doesn’t need to do that? you know, by all accounts, he doesn’t want to leave them. His family’s there. He likes having them there. You know, you know, 20 million of the 110. It’s not like he’s giving half of it back where you’d be like, he’s never going to give 50 million back. But I don’t know. This is a dude who’s who’s an excellent bag casher, right? Like, why would he give $20 million back? Normally, if you’re going to agree to a buyout, you have another team lined up. But I’m sure there’s a team that’s going to be interested in Bradley Beal, but is it going to be the $20 million? Probably not. like you’d end up losing some money in this deal. It’s in a buyout situation. It seems like
I think I think you can talk yourself into well 20 million by the time we take out the taxes and the fees and the I got to pay my agent and all that other stuff. It’s not really 20, it’s less than 10. and you know I’ve made so much that I can take this money from this team and at least it’s a team that wants me
and be and because you’ve gotten the buyout still
Phoenix still has to pay him whatever money is left over so you’re right so you’re still getting paid a ton of money so if you go to whatever team it is at this point doesn’t even matter what team it is could be could pick pick a bottom feeder and if they thoughts of of Bradley Beal or or maybe a team like Miami can say, “Hey, you know, Bradley Beal on a minimum or a $5 million contract or something like that is palatable for us. We can do that. That’s fine because he’s worth that money.” So, yeah, I can see him saying, “I’m giving this up. I’m not gonna get all of it back, but I’m gonna be in a situation that I can choose and I’m willing to pay a premium to choose my own situation. Yeah. I you know, look, I I think that part of it matters of like they don’t they don’t want him there. They’ve been trying to trade him and it’s this just uncomfortable situation.
Uncomfortable. Yeah.
And like one thing I’ve learned from, you know, and you know this too from covering the league as long as we have, like players want to feel valued. Like that really matters to them. I think that matters to probably everyone in anything, right? You want to feel valued. you want people to want you. That that matters here. And that’s why he might do something like this where you don’t want me, screw you. I’ll go elsewhere, but you’re going to need to pay. And essentially, that’s what the Phoenix Suns would be doing in some capacity with this. So, it’s it’s it’s something that I think is still TBD. Like, the Suns don’t look good here as a team next year. They need to do some something. It feels like Yeah. But I don’t know what I don’t know. Like,
I’ve said that a lot about the Suns. like what I what are they doing? I don’t know what they’re doing and I still don’t know what they’re doing. We’ll find out. We’ll see what ends up happening there. Look, they’re going to potentially be involved in the biggest transaction in NBA history, fireworks, 17 trade. Does this actually matter? Let’s debate that coming up here next in today’s episode of Lockdown NBA Game Night. And thank you for making lockdown NBA game night your first listen today and every day. We are still here seven days a week. You can’t get rid of us. There’s too much to talk about in the NBA with opportunities off season we’re happening here. So make lockdown NBA game night your first listen today and every day for your second listen. Maybe make it locked on Suns and what the heck is going on in the desert here. That’s probably what I’m going to put on next. All right, John. There’s the trade between the Phoenix Suns and the Houston Rockets to send Kevin Durant there. But according to the Athletic and Fred Catz over there, it might get expanded to seven teams. Why don’t we just throw the Atlanta Hawks, the Brooklyn Nets, the Golden State Warriors, the Los Angeles Lakers, and the Minnesota Timberwolves into this deal, making it the largest trade by teams in NBA history, topping the 16 trade that was made last year with Klay Thompson going to the Dallas Mavericks. We love to play. I mean I I was not prepared and let me get the music here. Real or fake on Fridays. There it is. All right.
Real or fake, John? A 17 trade is awesome and matters. 17 trade is awesome. That is real. uh just because it gives validation to all of the online social media who says no trade machine monsters who keep sending out 17 trades now I can’t be like dude this never happens stop sending this to me it happens
does it mean anything you know what actually I I’m going to say that is legitimately real that it means something because to me when I see a 17 trade come together. I I’m seeing front offices kind of realizing like, oh, we can maybe come up with this traded player exception. We can come up with this creative way to not incur this particular penalty. I don’t see I don’t know what the whole structure is, but maybe teams can create these little little tools, little assets, little something here or there where you’re like, “Hey, I didn’t have this. I’ll just say, you know, $8 million traded player exception. I didn’t have it before, but I do now because I’ve we’ve looped into this big massive trade.” And what people don’t know about how trades are are constructed when all of these teams are are putting putting their trades together, each team calls in and like if the you know the Hawks can call and say this is how the trade is structured and as long as it’s legal, it passes. The Suns can say this is how the team the trade is structured and it could be different than what Atlanta says, but as long as all the principles are the same and the way Phoenix constructs it is legal, it also passes. So teams do this all the time. Little trick to say we’re structuring it this way, we’re structuring it this way. And they can get these little assets here or there. Maybe a bunch of them aren’t used, but maybe one of them is. And that could be the difference between a tra a team signing a player, trading for a player down the line that could be consequential. So, I’m gonna say real because I like the front office creativity to make this happen.
So, I was going to go fake. I was going to go fake and just be like, “Yeah, it’s a cool little footnote, but this doesn’t actually like matter.” And then for like cap nerds and people, which I am one, I’m like, “Oh, I kind of geek out about this stuff a little bit.” Like I spent most of yesterday’s locked on pellets talking baseear compensation in signing trade stuff and I’m like this is actually pretty interesting y’all and it’s like I get why people are like okay who cares and I understand that. So like largely I was going to I was going to say fake but you’ve actually convinced me that it is real one just to create more more mania on social media about trade machines and people throwing out all that stuff. You too with your 12 team trade could be an NBA GM someday because apparently it’s not that far-fetched. So, let him let him continue to go on there. But your point of I think what it says about front front offices, maybe I’m not the person to be talking about smart front offices right now in the NBA. Oh, hold on.
Close the so I can give Jake a hug. A little just virtual hug. Oh, Jake. I’m sorry. As much as a lot of other people hate what the Sorry, I had to get that joke in there in some capacity.
Wow.
Um, that got real. We got dark on Fourth of July here. Go have a beer in a second. Um, I’m going to be like the dude crying as he’s watching fireworks later and everything. Why do you say it’s a wonderful day? We’re gonna have to wrap up the show soon. Uh it just shows you that there’s such like smart people in front office doing this very creative stuff and those trade player exceptions can matter, right? To be able to get some of these deals done. You look at them and you’re like, how do you pull this stuff off? You’re like, oh, these dudes are smart. Like, you know, we went through a period, what, like the early 2000s, when you’re like, I don’t know if there’s smart people running NBA teams.
And now you kind of look at it and you you you normally don’t have that many questions about front offices. So, you know, a 17 trade getting done is like, oh yeah, like if your team’s involved in that, like good. You should feel good about your team and how they’re running it and being able to pull off certain things to improve the roster and just at least maximize your options and the things that you could have.
Maximizing options is the nerdiest way of saying you’re doing a good job as a front office. And this is like I I was there at the Celtics practice facility after the first round of the draft and the Celtics had made their moves to trade Drew Holidayiday and Christophs Porzingis and talking to Brad Stevens about what’s the purpose and he said uh regain flexibility uh like probably seven, eight times. That’s what the goal is here for these teams. flexibility, especially now in this stupid second apron era, which is really really I mean this is an angry pit.
Yeah. And and like the the the league is the leg of a mailman. That’s what that’s what the second apron is that this is this like teams are trying like hell to navigate this and and and have options. The thing that kills teams with the second apron is it takes away your options.
You just can’t do anything. You can’t add new players. You can’t grow your team. All you can do is cut cut guys or like get rid of people essentially. So this 17 deal, if there’s any way that you can hop in on that and and get any extra option, one little bit of flexibility out of it, then congratulations. You’re a good front office. You never know. Like I said before, 90% of what’s created out of this might never be used, but you have it and it’s there if if you need it. And if you don’t use it, okay, no problem. But you have it. somebody’s going to use something and we’re going to go back and be like, “Oh, that was a product of that 17 trade and that’s going to be like a glorious moment next season.” Uh, so I I yeah, I think we’re starting to see how teams are responding to this new collective bargaining agreement and it’s all so new. We don’t know what’s going to work and what’s not, but these types of things are part of it. And it it is kind of fun to see. This is like the NBA version of Life Finds a Way. That’s what’s going on with it. That was timely with a new Jurassic Park movie. Like, well, well done here. All right, everyone go enjoy your fourth episode.
That’s hit it. That’s it. Goodbye.
Yeah. Like, we’re done. We’re done. We’re going out on John’s just going to mute his mic. He can’t say anything else. Going out like a comedian on a high note here. That’s going to do it for this episode of Lockdown NBA Game Night. Go enjoy the fourth. Go enjoy fireworks. Hopefully you’re having fun today and we appreciate y’all watching Lockdown NBA game night on Fridays. I’m your host Jake Madison, Nola Jake on Twitter and the host of the Lockdown Pelics podcast. And I’m John Corales, John_corales on Twitter, host of the Lockdown Celtics podcast.
Appreciate y’all watching. We’ll be back with y’all next week.
NBA offseason shakeup: Valanciunas eyes Europe, Beal buyout rumors swirl, and a 7-team trade bombshell. Is the league’s landscape about to dramatically shift?
Jake Madison (@lockedonPelicans) and John Karalis ( @LockedOnCeltics ) break down Jonas Valanciunas’ potential move to Greece, analyzing the impact on the Denver Nuggets and Western Conference. The discussion covers Bradley Beal’s situation with the Phoenix Suns, exploring buyout possibilities and cap implications. A rumored 7-team trade involving the Houston Rockets, Atlanta Hawks, and others takes center stage, showcasing front office creativity in navigating new CBA rules.
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9 comments
Ayo ayo!
It's 12 million for 3 years, not 36
Can the Nuggets offer Val a 2-3 year contract?
Judas Valanciunas
Beal isn’t giving up that money. Doesn’t matter how uncomfortable it gets. He had a chance to leave the Wizards and signed for as much as he possibly could.
Valancunias to panathinaikos
Beal to monaco
I guess the Nuggets will get Horford and another bench player instead.
Can NBA players opt out of contract anytime they want to?
It's 3y-12mill total…. definitely not 36! There is not team in Europe history who could offer that much!
Even 3y-12mil is one of the biggest that they can give to players.