GENIUS: Pistons To SIGN & TRADE Schröder for Major Flexibility | Free Agency Day 3 LIVE Reaction

GENIUS: Pistons To SIGN & TRADE Schröder for Major Flexibility | Free Agency Day 3 LIVE Reaction

And we are live. Welcome back to day three live free agency reactions over here on Pistons Jack. You guys don’t care about me though. I don’t even really need to do an intro. But we got we got Kyle Mets here. Uh as you can see along the bottom, please go f follow Kyle, Kyle Mets23 on Twitter. And I think you’re still on Blue Sky. Um Kyle just hit the mark. The Kyle just hit 1,000 followers on Twitter. Still criminally under follow, guys. So, please go follow, support him. I’ve was just saying to him, I’ve his Twitter feed has been my go-to the past week or so. So, Kyle, thanks so much for jumping on. We’re going to go here for like 15 20 minutes and um we’re just going to react to Amari Sanca the second from the Detroit Free Presses report that the Pistons are in fact going to engage on a sign and trade in the Dennis Schroeda uh signing to the Kings. Uh, but that’s enough for me. Kyle, can you just explain this news and then uh we’ll get into what this means? And guys, for those joining in the chat, if you have questions for Kyle, put those in now and we’ll hit those at the end or as I see fit. But yeah, Kyle, your time to cook. Yeah. Um, well, okay. So, there’s a lot going on. This I shouldn’t say is entirely surprising. Um, I’ve been telling you guys for a couple days now that that was still very much um in the works uh according to some of the sources that I have access to, which is not many guys, but I got a thousand followers and I have sources now, so that’s crazy. Um, but um this is not about me. So, um, okay. So, what one thing this does confirm is that they are operating an overthe cap team. um they cannot do this as an under the cap team um because Schroeder’s um cap hold was too large to get them under the cap to do stuff. So, which is fine. It doesn’t really change anything functionally. And we talked about this a little yesterday on stream. Um but this does confirm that they’re operating as over the cap team. And I did some other stuff today. If you’re following me, um you’ll see you know I’ve already tweeted this out. Um did some digging and the Paul Reed is indeed a Birdright signing. They had full bird rights on him because they picked him up off of waiverss which means they get to keep his bird rights. Although they waved him, he cleared waiverss and then signed right back with a team without going to another team which means they get to maintain those rights. And so so all that being said, what that means is um they’re able to sign him over the cap without using their by annual. So they also have their by annual exception which is 5.1 million as a trade exception or a signing way to sign players. That’s what we’re here to talk about. But just that’s something that those are the things that are now confirmed based on this um information. We we don’t know what it’s going to cost them. I’m assuming they’re probably going to have to send out a second to um to the Kings. I doubt they would send more than two or more than one unless it’s like this makes the deal possible for a Trey Murphy, for a, you know, Anthony Simons, whatever. You know,
we’ll get the names, but um but for now, assume it’s probably one of the seconds just to help the King say, “Hey, thanks for doing us a favor.” Maybe it’s cash. We’re already we’re already hardcapped at the first apron with other things, so like it could just be cash. So, we’ll see what that comes of that, but that’s what we know so far.
Yeah. Um, and guys, I just really want to reiterate, please go follow KL on Twitter because all of his stuff, or some of it, at least the important stuff he just went through there is all on his Twitter timeline. So, Carl Mets223, please go follow him. Keep keep you updated. But, uh, Kyle, I think what a lot of people are going to pivot to now is I think everyone just wants to know what are the players that contractwise, none of I don’t believe any of these names are reportedly linked to the Pistons, but contractwise are fit into this signing trade with Dennis Schroeder that they can potentially bring back. Yeah, I’m just I was getting buzzed, so I want to make sure it wasn’t updates from
No, you’re good.
Important. Um, okay. So, so yeah, I tweeted out a list of um names that fit into the 22.6. So, again, to recap, um, because I don’t know if we actually said what we were even talking about. Maybe you did. I wasn’t paying attention. Um, Senopa um Amari Sop the second tweeted out that confirming that there is the signing trade with Dennis Schroeder. Um, which means um either the Pistons will basically they’re sending out 14.1. They’re saying 14.3, so I’m not sure where they’re getting that number. Um, it doesn’t quite matter yet. Um, let’s say 14.1 because I know that one actually works. So, they’re sending the 14.1 million salary in Schroeder to the Kings. Um, and the Kings currently will be taking them taking him into their their MLE unless one of their players comes out in the deal. Malik Monk was rumored before that I’ve heard is dead. Um, but you know, there’s still other guys on the roster. For example, um, Keegan Murray would fit as someone coming back. Um, and so, so assuming the Kings aren’t sending anybody out and they’re just giving us this trade exception, what that means is if they expand the deal to include another team, they can take back $22.6 million in salary. If that doesn’t happen, um, then they can take the 14 million 14.1 million TPE, hold it, and do a separate deal. Um, and so what and most likely July 6th is the de facto deadline for that because the Kings are going to want to make this official as soon as it’s possible to, which is July 6th. So the Pistons have about four more days to um find another trade partner to to rope this in to increase the amount they can bring in. And the reason why they’re able to do that because it’s called an expanded trade exception, which means and that’s that thing you guys are familiar with. You can take in like eight and a half million more depending on there’s different bands. So if it’s like less than that it’s 200%. If it’s 8 and a half to 19 or 20 million it’s 8 and a half million. And then above that it’s like 125% plus 250,000. So that’s where we’re getting that 8 and a half million number. That’s how we get to 22.6 million. So
yeah,
that’s the that’s the framework. That’s all the nerd math stuff. So let’s get to names. So basically anyone who makes less than 22.6 million can come back in the deal. They can also
sorry just to jump
buy multiple players.
Okay. Yeah. So this is where like because I can see a lot of John Collins in the chat. So John Collins I believe is is he around
26 million.
Okay. So
million I think.
Yeah. We’ve spoken about him. In order to get the salary to work for John Collins, the Pistons would have to send out Sasa and probably Bobby Clintman. Is that what is that? Am I correct in that from what we discussed?
Yeah. Orin or Ivy, but yes, at minimum Sassar and Clintman would also have to go out on that deal.
Yeah. So, um because I know that’s a a big name that I know people are very very interested in. Um but I I just wanted to jump in there and highlight him. So, I can see him in the chat. But, um other other names potentially um around the league. I saw you did have a list posted on Twitter um for some forward names. Yeah. Let me see if I can pull up my list here. Um, I’ve got I’ve got the one here of the forwards that you tweeted out. So, I’ll go quickly through these. So, um, some potential I think these names and Kyle, correct me if I’m wrong, but these would be like we don’t need to add extra players. There’s KL Kosma, Dylan Brooks, Harrison Barnes, Rory Hashim Hashim, sorry, I’m watching that. You know what I’m talking about. Patrick Williams, Kelvin Johnson from the Spurs, Jonathan Isaac, PJ Washington and Obi Toppin, two names I love for the Pistons at the four. Uh Jared Vanderbilt from the Lakers. And then we we already discussed Keegan Murray. So, um just to reiterate, those are names the Pistons could wouldn’t have to send out any more players or contracts. You could make that clean swap from 20 million or less. Um
yeah, and that’s not comprehensive. There are other guys like Sam Hower. are other people. Jonathan Kaminga like depending on what he gets signed for, they could expand that. So, um that’s not comprehensive, but those are some guys that like make enough money that would make sense their team might want to move them into this deal. Yeah. And I can see so I can see some people here still asking about Malik Monk. Um Kyle, they can still do the Malik Monk. It just with the players they’ve added LV and Robinson it would might be a bit of a shock to add another player that plays at the two or
yeah Monk is definitely possible but the reality is if they wanted Monk it would have already been done and what I heard was the M the Monk deal was agreed upon already and the kings were waiting for Traan um and Traan I think from what I understand again this is now putting pieces together he kind of backed away from that option and decided it’s pivot to Duncan Robinson instead and then just try to keep this TP for something else. Um I think they were trying to find a suitor for Monk and no one wanted him. Um and so
this way and because the Kings were able to make the Valenunis move, they didn’t need to move Monk in order to stay under the luxury tax to take shorter back. So that’s why the monk thing kind of fell apart. Um,
and just to re to reiterate as well from the Kings point of view, because I think it is important for people understand the Kings incentive to do this is that they if they pull this off, they can still use their midle on another player. Is that correct? Is that the I think
only only if they send someone else out on the deal, which probably isn’t going to happen.
So, at this point, it would be a hey, we’re going to give you a second or two
to do us a favor.
Yeah. Yeah.
And make this the sign in trade even though they don’t have to. Um
Okay.
So that’s kind of where we’re at at this point.
Uh so and what if they sent a player, so say this is opens up to a three team. What if they sent a player to the the third team? Does that work for them to get that mid level?
Yeah. So this so that’s the interesting thing here. Um and this something that I’ve been playing around with since this morning. Um, I heard I think this was in a Stein report that Miami is interested in D Rozan. So, the funny thing about all of this is that the D Rozan deal could actually fit into the Duncan Robinson deal as a signing trade.
So, because depending on how they structure the contract, I think as long as they frontload the Robinson contract, it’s just enough money. So basically what it mean is the Pistons instead of doing like 16 million flat, they would do like 16.5 million the first year with 5% decreases, which would give them that would be like just enough money going out for Miami to bring in D Rozan into that deal. And then that would be a separate deal. Most likely they could expand it to a 14 trade where
it’s all one thing. um to because basically this is basically the way trades work, it doesn’t make any sense to me, but basically the way trades work is every team can structure however is best for them. So from the Kings perspective, it could be all one four team deal that would actually end up letting them keep their mid-level exception. And they could actually pull Russell Westbrook into that immediately too because D. Roza makes enough money. Um, and so they can do that and the Pistons and say, “Well, we need this to be two separate deals because otherwise we lose the the 8.5 million. We need both eight and a half millions that we want to use.” Like we would So the NBA is weird, but it works that way. So like you could see this expand into
um No, D Rozan would go to Miami.
Yeah. and tech
tech to Miami and well because tech is going there so that might get funky so maybe it doesn’t quite work the way I’m thinking I don’t fully remember um yeah it wasn’t D to the Pistons though CL it was
no D to Miami Tech would have to go to a third team that’s what it would be if if Miami would ship Tech back to the Kings or whatever like
um but those would probably be two separate deals Let’s quickly hit a couple of questions here because I can see some cap related ones um just for you Kyle from Alec. Can they add the by annual exception to get to 27 million?
No, you cannot aggregate um the exceptions. Okay, we’re good. Um no, you can’t aggregate exceptions. So that would just be another player.
Yeah,
the exceptions you can put more than one player into that exception, but you can’t aggregate it to something else.
Gotcha. All right. Another one here from Sports Time. How long do they have to make the decision on said player? I think we hit on this, but how long?
July 6th.
July 6th.
July 6th is the de facto deadline. The Kings could let them do it longer, but I would be surprised. Um, especially because they already bulked at the the monk thing. I don’t think there’s like a ton of we really want to make this work for you because they would they’ll want to have their business wrapped up. So, July 6 is probably the date you’ll want to look for.
So, what is the date? Must be July 2nd still for you.
Yeah. second here. So,
yeah,
I think it’s like midnight on the 6th, so like give or take three more days.
Yeah. Okay, cool. Cool. Uh, mystery team here. I assume this might have been in relation to one of your tweets potentially. Were you serious about Ivy wanting 34 million?
That’s what I’m hearing. Um, and that is on par with what Jaylen Green got. And so I think he’s saying Jaylen Green is the four. Yeah.
Because he’s better than Jaylen Green. He has been more consistent than Jaylen Green. And so, and I honestly think if he was, that’s like just pure numbers moneywise. If you’re going percentage of the cap, he’s probably pushing for 39 million a year over the course of three years. Like if he gets the if he actually gets the the Jaylen Green deal in terms of percentage of the cap,
that’s $39 million annual value. So, I don’t think he needs that. I think they’re closer to the 34 million, but that’s Yeah, that’s what I think he wants.
I mean, I’m not I’m not too surprised. I recall when you and I were talking about this like around the trade deadline, we were saying 30 million is probably the minimum, and you’ve always mentioned the Jaylen Green deal, but it does it does just sound like a lot when you first read it, but I think it’s
it depends how much you believe on in Ivy. If you don’t believe in him, obviously, you’re going to think this is a lot, but um All right. Yeah, that’s like that’s like that’s like 20% of the cap.
So, if he’s one of your starters, that totally makes sense.
Yeah.
And he’s going to want that. So,
that all right. Uh there was one other here from Ryan. I think we’ve kind of spoken on it, but highlighted here. My understanding nobody wants Monk. So, Pistons Pistons can’t get Obi and Pacers get Monk. So, I’m assuming this is a a three team trade. Would the Pacers Kings and Pistons be able to do that type of three team where we get Obi Pacers got Monk essentially? I’m sure this has already been discussed. That’s my point is they don’t need to send Monk out at all to get Obi-Wan.
Like Monk doesn’t need to go anywhere like the
And in fact, Monk going somewhere else actually makes the deal harder
because in this scenario, the Pistons offer immediate cap room to whoever they’re trading with.
Yeah. So, you know, for example, if they want to get off Obi-Wan entirely without sending any money out, they can send Obi to Detroit, then the Pacers create their own player exception to use for a different deal later or just take the the cap savings for now and and run. And that’s that’s at this time of year, it’s like kind of nice like PE teams who need to get out from some salary like that this is a way they can do that. Um,
so yeah, Monk doesn’t need to be involved at all and in fact he probably won’t be and it’s better that he’s not. So,
okay, awesome. Well, we probably got another four minutes here, guys. So, quickly get your questions in. But, uh, just to wrap this up, Kyle, feels like this is the Pistons best way to address the holes they have in the the front court. It feels like at the moment, hence why I think forwards are the best players to look at. Um, I’m not sure if you tweeted this out, so you don’t need to respond to this, but is there any names you’ve heard or is it just do not don’t even say names, more so is it are they targeting a specific position with this? Is there a gut feel? I have not heard anything. I have not heard anything in terms of what they’re actually looking for. This is just me saying if they’re going to do this, this is their chance. Um, so the other thing I the other thing I didn’t tweet out, but just I know I think I sent you maybe we talked about before. Um, if they send out Sasser in the deal,
that pushes them up to the $25.5 million mark. And so that guys like Miles Bridges is an option and Trey Murphy become doable salary-wise. Jaden McDaniels, I don’t think those guys are actually available. Um, but it would get you there salary-wise. And so let’s say for some reason New Orleans was trying to save some money or do something else. Um, and they just want to get off Murphy’s money and get picks back instead of players. That’s a route you could go and you send Sasser back to Troy in New Orleans maybe. where he goes back to Sacramento, which doesn’t make sense, but yeah, send let’s say they send Sasser to New Orleans
and that lets them trade a $23 million traded player exception and New Orleans get farther away from the tax line. Gives them some flexibility to potentially like not have a million forwards that they need to play. Um, again, I don’t think it’s realistic, but if the Pistons want to push a move in with several firsts, maybe three firsts and $23 million in shed salary for Trey Murphy is enough.
That’s a I mean, like because whenever we’ve discussed Trey Murphy, it’s always like which of the young guys is going back everything else. This is like the perfect way to get a player like that and still retain your five guys that you’re really invested in. Not that you’re gonna be able to pay them and Trey Murphy in the future, but just for this season alone. Um, that would be huge, but I understand that’s probably unlikely. Um,
is there anything else, Kyle? Is there any other news? Because like I said, it’s still the morning for me, so I haven’t had a full chance to check. Is there any other news Pistons related out of today? I know this is the massive piece, but
I don’t think so. We haven’t we haven’t gotten like any more clarity on what Duncan’s contract will be and we probably won’t um until the sixth. Um this is I mean this is a lot of clarity either way. We know they’re over the cap. It tells us what they have left. Um we covered Paul Reed stuff. Um so yeah, I think I think we’re in a pretty good spot here
um in terms of like we’ve covered everything. Um yeah,
again, people get mad at me for putting Ivy trades together. I’ll just address that now. They don’t have a good way to replace Duran right now. A lot of the center market’s dried up. Um,
and Duran’s probably going to come on a cheaper extension than Ivy is. I think Ivy’s more worth whatever extension you give him than Duran. I’d much rather trade Duran. Do not get me wrong. Um, but Ivy makes more and Ivy is less likely to extend. And with the guards they have on the team, he’s the easiest to replace. And so, um, I if Ivy gets sent out in this deal, for example, they can create 32 32.8 million or something. 32.9. So, that’s a big salary that they can go get um for a player that might fit better than he does in theory.
Yeah. Um, so that’s just something, you know, to realize if they can if they can send Ivy to the Jazz and get two first round picks and John Collins, are we mad about that? You know, like if they can
look, it certainly sets you up to really make a big a big time move, trade deadline or
right, you know, in the very near future. Um, okay. I think we’ve hit on it all really well. Um, I think the it’s it’s fair to say this is like the it feels like this is going to be the whatever happens in this signing trailer is going to be whether or not we determine this off season a huge success or not huge a success or maybe potentially some sort of missed opportunity because I think the consensus is right now from podcast I’m listening to the Pistons of they’re kind of still it’s not bad, it’s not great, maybe a little bit they’ve gotten maybe potentially a little bit worse some people think a tiny bit better. So, this this is really the move that I think is going to determine the success of just just how this off season looks,
right? This has the potential to be a big swing um for a position of need, this has the potential just to be another tool in the tool belt to keep optionality, which Traan loves. And so, even if it just means they’re going into the season with another exception to use, um that’s great. Um, which is definitely more likely than that they find some, you know, one of these 20 million dollar guys to come in. Um,
yeah.
But hey, maybe the Suns don’t really want Dylan Brooks. Like, do we like him? I don’t know. Like,
I You know what? Say what you want about Dylan Brooks. Like, as soon as he goes to the Rockets, they they get like they almost make the playoffs in year one and they were two seed. Like, say what you want about him. That would be double that would be doubling down on the Pistons identity for sure to bring in Dylan Brooks there. Um and I think that I think the Kell Johnson and the um uh Harrison Barnes is an interesting thing to look at because they have two of them that kind of do the same thing. Yeah.
Um so maybe that’s a way that they Spurs finagle some things. So I know someone asked me who my favorite is out of the list. Um I don’t know if I have a favorite. Um, I do like Keegan Murray, but then I think that’s weird. We talked about that yesterday. So,
with the contract, well, I think that’s worth just quickly bringing up.
Yeah.
Again,
Keegan Murray is would be would would create three lottery picks from the same draft that all need extended this summer. And so, I think if they’re doing that, again, people are going to think I hate Evie. I love Ivy. He’s actually one of my favorite.
I was going to jump in and say that before like you are very pro Ivy and have been the entire time. I remember when we drafted him when we started the home court. You have been pro Ivy since the day we got him.
Yeah. So, it’s just it’s just trying to it’s reading the right on the right read the writing on the wall a little bit is where I’m coming from. Um but yeah, I think Harrison Barnes is gonna be a good filler. Um and then I like PJ Washington as well. Um and so, uh Ryan asked who’s on the tax out of the list. Um, I actually don’t know. That’d be a really good next project for me to go through, like who’s actually desperate to get off some money. I have not done that number yet. Um, and so I know the Celtics are for Sam Hower and he signed that deal. So, um, that could be an interesting one, too. But I’ll try to work on that maybe later, um, tomorrow and kind of narrow down this list of who I think is most likely. This is more of a scattershot, get people excited, and here’s what I’m looking at before I dive in. So, I love it. Well, um I think that’s going to do it, guys. I know Kyle’s got a a family to look after, so I don’t want to keep him too much longer. Um uh but uh Kyle, I think just final thing, I think it’s fair to say this might take a day or so to play out. Like I
Yeah,
I mean it could happen for sure. It it will it will most likely take a day or two. Um, and even then I think the most likely thing still is that um, they just walk they just take the TPE into the season. That’s still the most likely option and that’s still a good option. Um, and so we can be excited regardless of what it turns out. But hopefully we’re back on here tomorrow talking about Trey Murphy, the swing, the swing for Trey Murphy and
I love it. I’ve been loving these shows with you, man. Um, I really appreciate you making the time. I think uh the community is we’re very lucky to have you. So guys, please go f follow Kyle on Twitter, Kyle Mets23. Uh I’ve retweeted a heap of his posts if you follow me on Twitter. I saw Q just shouted you out. So guys, Kyle Mets23, please go support him. And Kyle, I know the people have been loving these streams and having you on. So thank you for coming up here and doing your best Kobe impersonation. I’m slitting you ice. I I It’s a joy and a privilege. Um so let’s uh let’s hope Ivy goes to 25 point per game this year and we can talk about him getting that $40 million extension that he deserves rather than having to put him in great conversation.
I love it. Well guys, that’s going to do it for today’s show. If something happens, if Kyle has the time, we will jump back on tomorrow. Um, so stick with us here. But thank you everyone for tuning in. I really appreciate the support. And um, final thing, please go support KL at Kyle223 on Twitter. But that’s going to do it for today’s show. We’ll be back tomorrow. Uh, as always,
go Pistons.

🚨 MAJOR UPDATE on the Dennis Schröder trade…
The Pistons have executed a sign-and-trade with the Sacramento Kings, unlocking significant cap flexibility for the rest of free agency.

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