Have The Dallas Stars Gotten Any Better? | DLLS Stars Podcast

Have The Dallas Stars Gotten Any Better? | DLLS Stars Podcast

Get up. the DLSS Dallas Stars podcast and you are looking at this correctly. This is Sam Nestler and Craig Lewig only. Welcome to the DLS Dallas Stars podcast. We have Elijah aka offscreen queso back here running the controls. Our pal Owen Newkerk is out using some PTO. So, for some reason, let’s just start it off. Let’s Why did DLS think it was smart to do a podcast, not only one, but three with just me and you in charge? Well, I’m thinking apparently because they listen to all the comments and the quotes and the the listeners have spoken and they’ve probably had enough of Mr. Owen for the for a period of time here and so they probably prefer that we just chat about it. And and the other thing I heard I got a text message I think it was from Owen at about quarter after 3 this morning and I think he had too many cocktails. I didn’t know I thought he was just not going to make it into work today. So I didn’t know this was scheduled. No, this is schedule. Yeah, he’s uh he’s out there living the dream doing his his spring break. I think he’s in Maine. I’m pretty sure he’s still in Maine. Um, so well, so listen then all for all the all the people out there that have any na n n n n n n n n n n n n n n n n n n n n n n n n n n n n n n n n n n n n n n n nasty comments and thoughts for Owen, today is the day that we could maybe do a Q&A or just send your comments our way. Yeah, I’m looking at the comments. Uh I’ll be following them as best I can. So send in anything you want us to talk about because otherwise we’re going off the rails from the start here. Um but I do want to talk about uh something important before we completely go off the rails and that’s something me and you have been texting about a little bit. Um, are the Dallas Stars better or getting any better right now? Right, we’re looking around the league. Um, teams are making moves. The Stars were unsurprisingly quiet on on day one of free agency. We’re not expecting a ton necessarily to happen going forward here. Um, as of now, the only things they’ve really done is they’ve added Radic Foxa. They’ve resigned Colin Blackwell. Uh, they brought back Ben Duchain Lquist and Bourke. They lost Marshmint. They lost Brennan Smith, Cody CC, obviously Granlin, and Blue Mel we just saw signed. So question, let’s let’s start easy, lads. Are the stars any better or are they worse than they were when they finished the season? Well, I mean, I think for me, it would be hard to say that they’re better. I mean, if the best case scenarios, they’re the same. I mean, are they better by subtraction? I don’t know. Well, I I mean, you could argue that, you know, Mason Marchman, again, I said this plenty of times. I like I like him. I think he’s a good player. It does. And we we saw what that line was capable of doing when everybody was healthy, you know, I mean, they were the best they were the best line for a long time. So, you know, and were there penalties and things like that that he that would taken or was he just a casualty of, you know, the salary cap, you know, and when you look at that? And I I believe he didn’t have a contract after this year. Am I right? Uh he did. Marsman had one. I think it was his last year this season. This would Yeah. So they would have to resign him. Um and then there was the whole Jason Robertson thing obviously and I guess that’s kind of calmed down. We haven’t heard anything there. So it’s hard for me to say they’re any better and and that doesn’t mean that with a new head coach that there can’t be some renewed enthusiasm and and things like that. The other thing is is can a couple guys take another step? you know, can Bourke take a step this year? Yeah. Um, you know, can Sam Steel take a step? Sam, will Sam get elevated a little bit because of what’s going on down the middle of the ice. Um, you know, and I I think we’re kind of waiting for what’s going to happen with Matt Dumba. You know, he he’s still a Dallas star, right? I don’t think that we expect that right now. What’s the what’s the cap that they have left? Do they have anything left or are they sitting up? No, they’re they’re they’re negative 1 1.8, I think. 1.7 something right now. So they are they are well behind the cap at this moment. But I think if they were to buy him out I think that would cover it. So right now they don’t have to make any specific moves. That is their their their last resort to get out of that would be a buyout of of someone like Matt Dumba. But um they do not have any space to do anything. But again remember we I think I don’t know if Goldson said it or we were talking about it but they don’t have to be cap compliant until the the day they get to the season. Right. So Right. So they’re so but they’re they’re not even at the 10% threshold yet. they could be 10% over before the season starts, right? So, they’re not there yet. They’re still good there. So, you know, does that mean that there there’s somebody out there that the unfortunate thing is who’s left? Like if you were even if you were interested in Eers now, he’s a carolina I think I don’t know some may say that they won the the the free market thing, but they’re open market um and with all the free agents and things like that. But um I I I again to answer your question, they’re not any better, but I’m not saying they’re any worse and and so they’re still a good team and and I do think that they’re still they’re obviously looking for something. I don’t think they’re perfect scenarios for Sam Steel to play left wing on number two line. I mean, I don’t think that’s a a bad spot for him to be in and out of. And I don’t I’ve never been a fan of playing players out of position. um even though there are some that can um and I know Matt Duchain has been discussed about playing on the wing vers and Wyatt moving up and all that kind of stuff. So I mean that it didn’t sound like that’s exactly what what Glen Gullixson had in mind. Um so no they’re not any better. I I don’t think they’re any worse. Um only because um I think there’s a couple players that have another level to get to couple younger guys. Yeah. Do you do you think like the big conversation so far with us when we met with Jim Nil, when he spoke for the coach, when he spoke after free agency development camp, all that stuff, his main line has been kind of throughout this beginning of the offseason that they already made their big moves, right? They they brought in Rantin was the biggest, right? They brought in Rantin. We talked about ressigning Wyatt Johnson, resigning Harley, resigning Lindell, resigning uh Jay Cottinger. How much of that it like you’re you’re great at reading whether that is kind of the the way they’re saying it or whether that’s the real way of the that we should look at it. Is that is that just how fans just need to look at this and just say this team made their big splash, they went for it all and now we’re seeing the other side of it where they are going to have to move a little space here in order to move forward. Like they don’t they just don’t have the money unless they make some big trade to really improve the roster. So, how much of that whole uh we already made our big moves is the reality. I think that’s reality, but I do think that by them not really taking and we don’t know if they took a swing at any of these other guys. And sometimes you do hear some rumors, but I think what they do there, why wouldn’t you start to look at the Florida Panthers? And the Florida Panthers didn’t jump out of the gate. They weren’t playing for first overall all year long. they their their chemistry, their additions, the way that they built that team over the season. Actually, even some of those guys even had a slow start, but there was no panic there. They they so I I think I think what what Dallas would probably do, especially mainly because of where they are moneywise, is they’re going to pull something else off at some point during the season. And and like I said this before, I I I really I prefer to do it the way that Jimmy Rutherford has already done it when he was in Pittsburgh, when he’s in Vancouver, is he always jumped out ahead of that trade deadline. Um I think you you Jim will be doing his work from now until whenever there there is an addition. Um I believe that that’s what’ll happen. Again, maybe maybe something happens where this team just clicks together under Gully and they just get that win behind him with a new coach bump and and and some guys are able to jump up there. Maybe maybe we see Sam Steel be a 22 goal scorer playing on the left wing this year. So, but but I I think what they do is they they have their target players um that they would like to be able to add and maybe it’s just player that they feel I would think right now what they’re doing is they’re looking for a number two left winger that I mean that seems to be where the hole is if Robo’s going to play up there. um and you know to me or are you looking for a different kind of player like a Granland kind of player and Robo fits in with Duchine and Tyler Sean you know and maybe you find that Granland type if there is one like that out there that that can slide in up there. So, um, but I think we should be expecting rumors to happen during the course of the year that they’re looking at at this guy and that guy. And when you know, Gully went into that that meeting with his 1% uh line, right? And I’m sure that was with Jim also basically saying and and Gullix can gull that because they, you know, he coached against him, right? So they know the kind of team they know everybody every team has an identity and sometimes the identity is split up into two or three or four different kinds of phases and plays and players and the way that they play. And I think when you look at, you know, what we talked about on their last show is when to gully actually I think I brought it up to him is when you’re you’re sitting 32nd in the NHL when it comes to hits given and you’re sitting at 32nd in the NHL of hits taken. You look at those things and you’re that’s something that’s got to change. And I think that’s one of his little areas that he would like to improve. So, my opinion is they’re looking for one of those kind of players and and I I think we’re we believe that Liam Bishell will take another step. I think he took a couple steps during the season. So, you’ve got that guy on the back end and you ultimately, you know, I think you can add another player like that possibly, but I think with Liam, it’s not where you just want one of those kind of guys. There was a couple guys out there that got picked up I thought would have fit in nicely, but again, maybe it had to do with dollars. So, um I just believe that they’re going to keep their eye open obviously aiming to add at least one uh kind of heavier forward that can play maybe in that that number number two spot on the left side. Yeah. And correct me if I’m wrong, it feels like the hope at least from this team is that that 1% and that coaching change is going to be enough to do that. Whether it’s one more player that they need to add to do it, but it doesn’t feel like it’s not an overhaul, right? And I’m curious if you if you believe that that’s enough to get a like this team doesn’t need to be the most physical team in the NHL. They have a ton of skill. They can score goals. They can hopefully defend a little more structured this way around uh as we know with with uh the system before that with man-to-man. But I’m just curious if you think it’s enough to get them like if let’s say they get I don’t know if it was 1%. Let’s say they get a a 5 to 10% bump in their physicality. And like like Lilith said, that’s not running around and and throwing body checks and open ice. That’s going through guys on the forche. That’s a little harder in the battles in front of the net. That’s making sure the other team knows you’re there. And this makes it a little harder to play against. If they get five to 10% more of that, is that enough for you for this team to take the next step? I I think so. I mean, because again, look at look at how they the deficiency that we felt the physicality being one maybe the system and Gully did mention that in his meeting. he had a tweak or two that he wanted to use in the defensive zone. You go he mentioned that. So he there’s obviously something that they’ve seen there that he would like to try a different way. So I I think that if you get a player or two that takes another step and you’ve got guys that are still motivated, you know, I’m we’re starting with a captain and and obviously Duchain and Sean, guys like that, your leaders. Um I I think that they can drag everybody up another level. Um, but I do think with a couple tweaks when it comes to because again we we haven’t even mentioned Jake. Jake is going to continue to get better, you know. So Jake is a wherever that number is, top three, top four goalender in the NHL. So, I believe that if you play a little bit differently in front of him and make things a little bit more uh predictable and you don’t have to worry about what’s going to happen over here so much of what happens over here and things are just where they’re supposed to be in front of you and you make that that save that I believe that Jake will be that guy and things will be a little less chaotic at times in front of him. So with those kind of changes, I think they I think again I you know what I don’t I look at Edmonton. Yeah, they got to the they got to the finals again, but I don’t know. I mean, you look at some of the players that kind of carried I mean when when Perry was one of their better players and McDavid and Daddle actually weren’t they it’s not that they weren’t good players, but they they didn’t dominate, right? And so what what Edmonton did is they added some some kind of depth to that and they added a little bit different structure that we saw in their own zone where they packed everything in and it was difficult getting scoring chances and getting second shot chances at chance or opportunities. So, I I just think that, you know, if if it would have been the same thing at the other end, cuz we know that if Jake didn’t have to make some of these unbelievable saves and then get kind of hung out to dry it a couple times, that he is a I I just believe he’s a better goalender than what Edmonton has at the other end of the rink. And I think with that kind of structure, Jake is going to be even better this year. And so, I I hope that the goals against comes down by maybe a half a goal a game. And I think that makes a difference. And now you’re maybe not really relying on finding another higher gun. You’re just going to be more difficult to play. Very similar to what Florida has. Although it’s hard to say that they don’t have game changers changers. They I mean they have a lot of luxuries there. So So I think there’s going to be a lot of teams that are looking at that. So hopefully those couple tweaks um get them to where they want to land a little bit deeper next season. Yeah. And and it’s interesting you brought up Jake cuz the the conversation from Nil and Pete and everything is that Jake’s only scratching the surface. And I I know he’s not 21 anymore, right? So he doesn’t he can’t just keep scratching the surface. But the fact that if people are even saying that he hasn’t hit his potential yet and he’s still usually right behind Heluck in most of these stats that you’re looking at and uh he’s finding ways to win games despite his team sometimes being chaotic in their own end and things like that. So, the fact that you could think he could take another another step and this team could maybe get a little more better in structure defensively is just wild to think of how how much better they could be because they don’t maybe that’s all they need. Maybe maybe this team instead of scoring for a game but allowing three or whatever it was, you know, when they were a little bit rough in the defensive end, maybe they drop their goals down by half, but they also drop their goals against and that makes you a little harder to play against in those tight games. And I think that could make a difference. But um let’s uh let’s hit the the blue line because I see a ton of comments here about the blue line. So I’m curious about your thoughts on the Dallas Stars blue line and if they’re getting any better next on DLS. Just like your favorite team needs a home ice advantage, your home needs a home floor advantage. And Empire Today can help. 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We’ve teamed up with Shady Rays to bring you an exclusive offer. Head to shady.com and use the code DLS35 for 35% off polarized sunglasses. Try for yourself the shades rated five stars by over 300,000 people. All right, luds talking. We’re talking about the left wing and some other things in the front and I’m looking at the comments on our show here and people are saying, “What about the blue line?” And I’m really curious because this blue line has had issues before, right? We’ve talked about this team needing someone to finally play with Miro or when Miro was out, we need someone to step in and fill his role. Now this team is expected to go in healthy. They have Miro Hiskin in Thomas Harley. They brought back Nils Lungquist. They obviously have Essa Lindell. Leon Bishell took a big step. We just talked about Dumba. We know Petravic is an option. I’m curious your thoughts on where this blue line stands going into the season if they were not to make any further moves. Yeah, if they don’t make any moves and I think the time that we all know that, you know, there’s a lot of talk that Mural they want to get him to the left side of the ice. I think he’s proven that he can play on both sides effectively. Um, so it doesn’t it would not bother me at all that you’ve got ESSA and him together. That that’s what I think your first pair should be. And I think that slots in Harley um on that number two left side and then you got Lean Bishell there, you know, and so I I I just think that those are your big three big three and a half. I think Bishell is going to be obviously part of that big three big four. Um so I I think that’s the spot for those four guys. Now are are are we are we good with what we’re looking at? And how many how many times has a little guy now gotten that opportunity? And I think he’s healthy, right? Can can he be a partner? I don’t know if he should be on the number two pair, be honest with you. Um I mean, Labouchkin seems to be a guy with with the the weight and everything that I think you would like to have against some bigger players and be able to try to match that up. And I think if you could put Labouchkin with with Harley, you know, and and Labouchkin could get back to being that that steady guy. Don’t worry about jumping up in the play. Uh use your size. Harley would do most of Harley would kind of be the mural of that pair, you know, transporting the puck up ice. He always makes a good first pass. Allow him to get a little bit more involved. I mean, he he takes his his opportunities and I think Labouchkin then knows he’s that he’s that good partner that stays at home and does those other kind of things, you know, and then you’ve got that third pair. And I I think that that’s the way you’re going to run. I don’t I really don’t see after everything that went on there, but again, with a different coach, will Matt Dumba get an an opportunity? If they can’t move him, can that be that guy? And and I think there were times when Dumbo was good, you know, at times when he played with Bishel, he was fine. And I think when he dumbed it, that’s kind of I didn’t mean it like that. That was good. He dumbs his game down a little bit and just keeps it simple. He’s not he doesn’t shy away from any kind of physical play. Um, I just think sometimes sometimes the system and the way that um, they’re they’re wanted to play the game and they see how everybody’s trotting and getting up ice, getting involved in the play, sometimes you have to talk to certain defenseman and say, “That’s not necessarily how I want you to think you’re going to play. I need you to be able to defend, make a good outlet pass. You know, time and score dictates a lot of things when you’re going to jump into the play.” And you know, in in in that that case, I think that’s where Dumba could be okay. But what I don’t I don’t know. But like I said, when you’ve got a different coach that comes in there, they say you never get a second chance to make a first impression. It’s different. You know, when you get traded and you know, you or a new coach comes in, everything starts out over all over. And that goes for the for the for the second line guys and the third line guys also. I mean, you can’t just say, “Well, I’ve been on in the top six the last three or four years.” Well, you have another coach coming in. And that’s where the that’s where the big dead cat bounce or the the, you know, the the coach bump comes into play because most of those players know that philosophy that, hey, we got a new guy here. I got some rope before and I was playing 18 minutes a night. You know, I don’t hold up my end of the deal. This guy may have me replaced with some other guy that he’s had in the past and he allow because he knows exactly what he gets with that player. So yeah, there’s no question that the D, but I will say this, if the if the structure in the own zone changes, gets tweaked a little bit, your D pairs are going to be better because they’re not going to be scrambling all over the zone and they’re going to have more support from especially their center, but they’re going to have more support in their own zone. Yeah, that was exactly what I was going to say is the big question. Two ones for me are how much can this new We don’t even know what Goldton’s going to do, but we imagine it will probably not be man-on-man chasing around your zone. That’s that’s the guess, especially with what he’s seen coaching on the other side against them and seeing how they exploited it. So, the question is for those guys that are on that I’m not going to call it the fringe, but the guys who aren’t, you know, the solidified main four, we assume Hastin and Harley Lindell and Bishell have taken pretty much the role that we know what we’re going to get from them. Vicial still has plenty to grow and we expect him to get better. But for the Labouchians and the Lungquists and Dumba, can that little shift just make things easier? You know, the main thing we saw from Matt Dumba that people were like, “Oh god, we got to trade Matt Dumba was he would get lost a little bit, right?” You’d be like, “What do you what is he doing in that play? Why is he over there?” Maybe he just got exposed because he doesn’t understand, doesn’t play well in that system. Maybe you teach him to stay at home and you teach him he’s a strong guy. He’s a physical guy. Teach, tell him he can stand in front of the net, move guys around, and play a simpler game. I imagine he he’s able to take a step and be at least a good You don’t need the best player on your third pairing here, right? We’re not talking about someone who’s going to fill in on the left on the right of Mirro Hastin, which is what they tried to do with Dumba to start the season last year. We’re talking about someone to come in and be a serviceable defenseman. And I think the Stars have basically three number one defenseman. So, you don’t need your other three to be the best of the best. You need them to be serviceable. You need them to be there to cover for your more offensive guys in Hasten and Harley. And I’m curious whether that system can change a little bit. The other one for me, and you you just mentioned it, when I’m writing out pairings and lines and stuff, there’s a few guys that you you you know, you don’t want to keep them safe, but you want to keep them with someone you feel comfortable with, right? You like someone someone like a young defenseman. You’re not going to put Bishial necessarily with another rookie, right? You don’t want that kind of pairing. Does Neils Lungquist need to get out of that category? Because for me, when I’m writing it down, I’m thinking, you know, Bishop Lungquist seems like it would be good idea for your bottom if you’re pairing, but do you want those two there? Or do one of them need a more experienced or higher level defenseman? Should we just assume Nils Lungquist has to take that step so he’s no longer in that spot if he’s going to keep a roster spot here? I I think that if Niels gets that that opportunity there, let’s say Dumbo’s gone or maybe Dumba’s number seven or whatever it may be, Niels just has to be who he is. He has to play to his strength. His first strength is his skating ability. There’s no question about it. He moves the puck well and and to be able to play and that’s why I think the partners complement each other. Like he can be the guy that does more of the skating, following up the play close. And it’s not don’t want to take that away from Bishop because he skates well also. But but all of a sudden he understands that if both of us are going to try to get up in the play, that’s not going to be for me right now. That’s Niels. Niels is that guy up there and I kind of make sure that I kind of cover things and if there you’re down by a goal, I I expect Niels to be that guy that jumps in there. Or it could be with that pair, Niels has to recognize if it’s Liam that’s going up there, then he has to be the guy back. So you’re not creating things at the other end of the ring. ultimately when those kind of pairings get together and and it was kind of when I was and I don’t want to say Chel because Chelios was such a good player at both ends of the ring but Chel, you know, like to jump into the play and and especially like Zubuff like to jump into the play, you know that you just have to be able to play a good outnumbered rush because there’s going to be the times that they get involved in the play. You’re going to have to face outnumbered rushes and you have to be good at defending them. And and everybody has to remember, players have to remember a twoon-one isn’t just a twoon-one. It’s a twoon two because your goalie counts. So you play it a certain way to make sure your goalender gets, you know, the easier say or easier shot. But I think when you look at those pairs, it would be the same thing for me. If Dumbo was there, Dumba doesn’t have to jump be that as offensive, let’s say, as Niels would be. But that pair itself would just be really hard to play against. They they would be like if you’re I’m looking at our fire pit out there and it in the summer, you know, you got the flies and the mosquitoes all the gnats flying around. That’s what they got to be like. They got Dumba especially, he can Leon’s gonna be a big strong seal people out, but but Dumba never backs down from from pushing and and getting involved in things. So, I just think that, you know, though if if it were those two guys or regardless of who it is, that third pair, they have to be just one of those kind of pairs that’s hard to play against. Like where people don’t want to play against them and it they’re not going to be dangerous from an offensive standpoint, but when from Bishel, you know, if you’re coming in on his side, you’re probably going to get a hit. Well, that means that your partner has to know how to defend certain things because things are going to start coming over to your side of the ice because they’re afraid of that guy over there. So yeah, I I I think who regardless who plays next to Leon, I think that that can be a really effective pair. That could be a pair when you have three pairs, it could be a pair that pushes you over the edge because now there shouldn’t be a weak spot when it comes to playing in your own zone, which we go back to the way that hopefully we see them play. They’re going to have more support. Yeah. Do you do you think Niels I don’t know how even I know the the right way to ask it but is this his last kind of big shot here? Like this reminds me of a player who you know if he let’s say he went this year and next year you know maybe got a chance here or somewhere else next year and it just never really clicked. He was kind of in and out of the lineup. This feels like a kind of player that goes and plays in Europe right because it just didn’t work here. Does this kind of feel like you got to show it this year that you are taking the next step and you are a top You don’t need to be a top three but a top six NHL defenseman. I I guess for me it’s kind of hard to answer that because up close and personal we haven’t had a great opportunity to watch him play. Do you know what I mean? Like whether it was a coach’s decision now it was an injury. So, we really haven’t seen what he can do uh with a healthy diet of of being well enough to play every game and also play with a coach that allows him to play. And I don’t here it seemed like Pete didn’t seem comfortable with him at times, especially, you know, you get around you get around the playoff time and he’s not playing or he’s playing four minutes a night and that not only is that bad on him, it’s bad on the other five guys that have to live in that world, too. So, you know, it just because if it doesn’t work here and it’s the same kind of thing where he’s in and out of the lineup, but but he keeps coming back. I mean, he says, “I’ll come back.” So, comfortable with something, right? So, but it doesn’t mean that he couldn’t go play on another team. I I I just I want just want to see him get a fair chance where if it’s not here, then maybe he’s a piece that gets moved, you know, for if he but but in order for him to get moved and get any kind of value out of him at all, you have to get him let him play. You have to see the scouts watch him play. You have to be able to know what he can do and say, “Hey, we could use this piece now. Maybe then you get a little bit more for him.” But, um, I just think he’s one of those kind of players and and I’m not gonna I don’t want to sell him short and I’m not putting him over the top until we can get I just want to see him play 40 games in a row, you know, 40 50 games in a row. Let’s see what we have. Get a shot. Yeah, I think he deserves it. I think he’s earned that, right? He he definitely earned some of Pete’s trust back uh last season, then he gets the injury. But he he, as Robert was talking about on our I think it was on our draft show, he put on a bunch of weight. He he looks way stronger than he did. Uh he’s motivated. He seemed more confident. he was making simpler plays and I’m just the big one for me is whether he he’s gone he’s gone the full offense route when he first came in right and he was getting exposed defensively then he kind of got ripped and and benched and he went the opposite way where he was much better defensively but he didn’t have any of his offensive game they need a little bit of both. They don’t need him rushing up and score in 15 goals but they need him to use his legs to beat the forche whe or get up ice and join a rush once in a while. They’re going to need a little bit of that. So, can he find that middle ground and build on it? 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Download the Game Time app, create an account, and use the code DLS for $20 off your first purchase. Terms apply. Again, create an account, redeem the code DLS for $20 off. Download the Game Time app today. Last minute tickets, lowest price guaranteed because it is always game time when you’re with TLS. No idea why this was on my mind today. Honestly, I It’s not the reun anniversary of it. There’s no reason for it. But I woke up this morning thinking about Joe New and Dyke not resigning Madano in 2010 and Madano obviously going on to the the Detroit Red Wings and ended up retiring soon after that. I’m curious your I’m going to leave it open-ended here, but my first general question is that was the the transition right before actually Bulletin came in the bankruptcy the all the things going on. If you’re Joe Newandike, do you bring back Mike Banado? And if you’re Joe Newandike today, do you regret the decision not to? Um, today I I would think that Newi would regret it today. I think Ruie, be honest with you, I think New regretted it the day that it happened. And again, you you mentioned it. Um, it wasn’t a good time in Dallas Stars land, right? And so the finances weren’t where they were supposed to be running, you know, all the shots and and I think that I don’t know what the conversation would have been between the two, but I would have to think when when you’re on, you know, you’re teammate of the guy, you you win a championship together, I would think you’re going up to Mike and saying, “Miss, you’re our guy.” Um, but it’s the guy behind the curtain that isn’t allowing this kind of money to be, you know, to be allocated. And so I I I’m sure it was a a tough decision for him, but I think at the end of the day when when you’ve got regardless if it’s Joe or anybody else, um he has a job to do and it’s and it’s his first job as being a general manager and unfortunately it was his last job. you know, I don’t you know, I think he was involved, but with teams, but but it wasn’t in the chair that he probably wanted to be in. And and I I don’t know as far as being a general manager. You would hope that they all knew what all the circumstances were, but I can tell you I I don’t think Mo has a mean body or bone in his body. I I just don’t think he I’ve never seen it if he does. So to this day, I I couldn’t tell you that there’s anything harsh between him, but I I think times Mo has been disappointed in his career. And that shouldn’t even happen against no matter who you’re with. I mean, I I I think that after what happened in Detroit, Mo let that whole not coming back under Joe’s uh lead go because when that clown sits Mike out and he never got game 1500. I think Mo’s sitting at 1499. Um to me, that’s probably never going to go away for Mike. Although he’s got he’s got some other he’s got a couple different awards that he can lean back on. You know, you know, the guy’s in the Hall of Fame and, you know, he’s an alltime guy here and now he’s over there with Billy Garren of Minnesota. He’s got a statue. So, I I think any if there was anything between him and him, Mo No Moi, I don’t think there was, but there there’s nothing lingering there is my opinion. Yeah. So you just mentioned I’d like to know why though you wake up and think about something that happened 15 years ago and it was about two dudes. What’s that all about? Dreaming of random things. You know, I just think of uh random top I if I brought up everything on this show that I thought of, we would I would get just squirrel on top of squirrel. I’m already referenced as the squirrel on this show. So uh but I’m curious, you just brought it up. Do you think like we know that the situation, we know the caps, all that. We Does does Madano h work with the stars in some capacity. Does he have more of an influence? Is he living in Dallas if he never moves on if he does get resigned and let’s say he plays two more years and he retires a Dallas star. Is he still in Minnesota doing what he’s doing? or is he a Luca I mean wow Lukey type you know legend hero in Dallas? Does that change his future at all if that situation goes differently? I think Mo is always going to be that guy here in in Dallas. But I will say that my opinion is Mo would have rather and everything here. Now he’s had plenty of opportunities to do things. Although you know that you got to think Minnesota were most that he enjoys the role that they have them in. It’s probably the perfect one for him. Like I remember when we had the we went over my buddy owned the the Allen Americans up the road and so I I went in there and I brought in Matty Matt Pachchuk Bour uh Steve Duchain was there and so Steve said I hired uh Steve Martinson as a coach. Um, and then the owner, he goes, “What about Mo?” And I’m like, “What about Mo?” And like, “Doug, do you expect us to work when we’re here and get things done and be here?” And he goes, “Yeah.” And I said, “Well, that won’t be Mike, you know, kind of got all his things behind him and was every two weeks. I’m pretty sure it was on the 1st and the 15th and that’s when Mo came around. So he picked up a check and but whenever I asked him to come in and help us out and then ultimately we won a championship there our first year. So that was that was nice to be able to do that with those guys. Um you know I think Mike if everything would have worked out I believe he would want to be here. I mean this is golf and weather here right? Not that he doesn’t have places other places, but but I think, you know, being drafted and being that first overall in Minnesota and all that other kind of stuff that went around in the start of his career in Minnesota, that’s pretty close to him, too. And I think him and, you know, and him and Billy were, you know, they were teammates here in Dallas. Um, so he he knew that relationship and he’s friends with the owner and all that kind of stuff. I think it all worked out. Norm Green loved him too and Norm was the owner in Minnesota at the time and then brought for us here. Um I I just think Mike is such an easygoing kind of guy. He’s okay regardless where he’s at. You know, now he’s, you know, he’s got a tribe there for a family. So that’s kind of keeping him busy now. So um if Mo wants to be in Dallas and enjoy Dallas weather, I think he can handle that too. was in town. I don’t go to see him, but he doesn’t really come to see me. We text every once in a while. I’ll send him something about coming on and you know, things like that. And so I think you know what, like it’s probably like that with all teams that win championships. You like I mean it’s not like you just drift apart, never talk to each other because there’s events that get you back together. And it’s amazing how, you know, you might not talk to a guy for a year, but you just pick it up as soon as you see him, you know, right where you left. Yeah. Yeah, it it’s amazing. Every time I’ve seen Mo, regardless of in a game, out of a game, after a game, before a game, or a year later, it’s the same smile when he sees you. You know, he’s got he doesn’t have there’s no worries in the world for Mike. Yeah. How you’ve talked about him as a teammate has obviously got to see and and was had it taken away, but I know that was a big conversation. How was he as a leader, whether he had a letter on his chest or not in the room? Mo Mo Mo Mo Mo Mo Mo Mo Mo Mo Mo Mo Mo Mo Mo Mo Mo Mo Mo Mo Mo Mo Mo Mo Mo Mo Mo Mo Mo Mo Mo Mo Mo Mo Mo Mo Mo Mo Mo Mo Mo led the way he played. He was not a rahrh guy. You didn’t we didn’t want him to be a ra guy. And I think part of that, you know, when when Army when he when he got to see, we were all kind of like really oh because he’s not he Mike doesn’t stand up and call players out and things that come along with that and and we all us guys that had the letters like everybody knew you didn’t have to have a C. you’re okay to be able to do your thing. And personally for me, I I think Mo just wanted to play hockey, you know, and he just let me go. Let me do my thing. And he always did his thing, right? And I think now when you start having you’re like, “Oh, wait. Now, so that guy’s not playing well and I need to go up to him and say something or I need to be in and I got to talk to Hitch and so I got to go in and have meetings with Hitch.” I just think he’s the guy that just let him do whatever he wants and we don’t need that. We don’t have to have that from Mike because for us the way he led was the way that he played the game and how many games that and you could just see him like it didn’t matter how the game was going that you know yeah you saw a smirk every once in a while but most part it was always that smile you remember the smile when Mo played and you remember the jersey flapping in the wind right behind him so um the game and in the locker room and stuff like that I don’t Mo didn’t need to have that pressure put on him, too. Yeah. Was he What would you say? Is he top five best players you played with? Uh, I put him in the top couple. I mean, I I just just the the things that he was able to do in an era when it was hard for those guys to do it, you know, and and you talk about, you know, the guys that were getting tugged on and Mary Lemieux and guys like that and I mean, you could just you should in prison for some of the things that you could like that that was the thing that was the thing with all those guys, you know, all those good players that were, you know, you were after their ankles all the time and the back of the legs and it was just a dirty game and and Mike was able to accomplish the numbers that he did in in that era and fight through all that kind of stuff and and he made it look easy sometimes, you know. So, um those kind of players that played in that era era, what we tried to do to them during the course of a game that are recognized of being the best of all time. Yeah. I wonder you mentioned I wonder if the team players nowadays would would benefit if you were just like, “Hey, you know what? Let’s take this current Dallas Stars team. We’re going to go you’re going to go to have a week training training camp and we’re going to play the way against you that it was played in the 90s or the early 2000s. We’re going to we’re going to grab we’re going to hook. We’re going to, you know, do all those things to you. Teach them how to fight through what, let’s be honest, real contact was.” I think it could make them better players to fight through because you look at stuff today and you’re like, “How is he not getting to the net?” Yeah, sure. The guy’s putting his, you know, putting his stick on him, but he’s not actually doing anything. And players I just, they just never learn it seems like to get through that because they don’t have to. Would that be a fun little, you know, training camp? Go out there and play. It would be fun. It would be fun for us. It would be fun for us. I I just think after about a day and a half of that kind of a boot camp, there’d be a conga line up to Jim Nil’s office and saying, “I want I want out.” It’s just not It’s just different there. And And I’ve said this so many times. Do I wish the game was back there? Do I want to see that? Yeah. But the speed and skill of the game now is is ridiculous. It’s so entertaining. And so much of this now is it’s even more than it was before. It’s about the people that are paying the tickets to come in. And Dallas does a great job of putting on a good show from, you know, from the locker room guys to the rest of the staff upstairs. Yeah, absolutely. All right, we have plenty more. We’re going to talk about the Texas Stars next on DLS. Spurs, we’re going to talk about being a diehard because Oh, I know where it is, too. It’s right there. That’s got your QR. It’s actually on my screen. It’s to the other side on you. So, I don’t know why it’s always flipped, but there you go. Just do both. You’re Am I not pointing at it on your screen? No, you’re pointing at the other corner on my screen. No way. So, you’re over here. Well, you can’t see over there. Yeah, it’s over there. We’re all backwards. All right. All right. Let Being a Dieard is the best option. You get tons of benefits when you become a diehard. You can become a diehard to get all the writing we get from everybody. My writing, Sean’s writing on the Stars, but also writing across the Texas Rangers, uh, the Dallas Cowboys, and the Dallas Mavericks. You get a you get discount on merch. You get discount on the trip we were just talking about when that DLS crew heads out to Vegas for the Cowboys against the Raiders. You get access to the Discord, which we will use, I’m sure, over the next couple of shows here with Luds. We got to do a damn Discord. So maybe we will do that without Owen here and really let things off the rails. But you get discounts on merch. As I mentioned, we have plenty of new merch. We have the Jakeer shirt, which is still my favorite shirt. And I’m being told by the GM of our crew that that is getting delivered to me shortly so I can join the other boys in wearing that. We have the one of the highest selling shirts which is the Finnish Mafia shirt for all the Fins in Dallas. We have the Wyatt sixbit and the Mo finisher shirt which I think the Mo one is one of my favorites as well as the playoff shirts, the captain and the moose. There’s plenty to go around. But one other thing we have going on right now is the Balln knower bonus. Now, the ball no bonus is pretty simple for the MLB All-Star game coming up. You pick which side wins. National League, American League. Let’s surprise I knew the two conferences of the baseball. You pick which one wins. Go on to our site all at all city pick buy something from the DLS shop and then we will send you if you get it correct, we will send you a gift card for that option. So, you basically get an option to get some free apparel, some free gear and have some fun along the way. So, become a DLSS dieard today because there are plenty of reasons to do so. Luds, some news in the AHL down in Cedar Park today. The Texas Stars named Toby Peterson, their new head coach, taking over for Neil Graham, as we know, who will be an assistant with Dallas. Uh Toby Peterson played for the Dallas Stars right around that era we were just talking about that I think he was started around 2007. Played for them for about four seasons. Uh won the Calder Cup with the Texas Stars. won the Calder Cup as a coach as well. Uh he’s got tons of NHL experience. He’s got AHL experience. He was an assistant uh in the AHL for a long time and he’s been working the past few seasons as a skills coach with the Colorado Avalanche in the NHL. So, I’m going to read what Jim Nil said uh here about Toby and then we will jump into what you think of the hire. Jim Nil in his statement today said, “We’re pleased to name Toby as the head coach of the Texas Stars. Toby brings over 22 years of professional hockey experience to the Stars bench. He’s been successful as a player in both the AHL and NHL and has held coaching positions in both leagues. Toby understands what it takes to build and develop a championship caliber team as he’s been part of winning a Calder Cup as a player and coach and his familiarity with our organization is invaluable. He will no doubt help us continue the culture that has been established in Cedar Park. So with all that being said, Luds, thoughts on the hire and memories or things you know about Toby Peterson? See, it’s funny like I I he’s paid his dues first off, right? So but I think about it when you tell me that he’s been a skills coach, right? So Pety played just under 400 games in the NHL, got 81 points. Wait a second. You’re a skills coach. But but what see what I remember of Pety is that like like a third line guy, you know what I mean? The the glue guys, the guys that you can put out there at different times of the game and not have to worry about them. They’re the responsibility like to be a responsible player when you’re not, you know, in your top three, top four players on the team becomes even more important than than anything else because you have to be able to be trusted. And so I think what what Pety would bring to an American League program and the players that are trying to get here is to sell him on all that kind of stuff. Like listen, you’re probably not going to be this kind of guy, but if you want to play in the league and you want to stay in the league, you have to be able to do these things. you know, you’re a winger, you got to play on the wall, you got to get pucks out of the zone, you got to be able to, you know, pick up coverage and all the little details of the game that allow I mean, there’s, you know, there’s so many of us that were there’s no reason we should have been in the game for so long, but but we were willing to put the work in in in certain in all the areas of the game and and you’re because you just can’t rely on I mean, you talk about Mike. Mike, if Mike was Mike could have been the worst plus minus guy every single year if he wanted to be and he’d still be in in the lead because he could just put points up and he could score. But, you know, when to his credit when when Hitchcock you know challenged him to be a guy that could play against the top center on the other side um and and kill penalties, Mo bought in and then Mo became an even better player. And then Mo all of a sudden understood that well now he’s out there four or five minutes more a night because when a certain line would come out there you would always get pulled off because they didn’t want you out against that line. Now you know you can go ahead because he’s used to like guys like Mike were used to playing against that third line so-called I would always call him our second line because I always felt like they were just as important as a top scoring line the checking line to shut guys down. But but he would have to fight through all that stuff. Then all of a sudden when he found that he was going to be against the Forsbergs and you know all the top centermen in the league, he’s like, “Well, now I’m out here twice as much.” And then you learn how to kill penalties. So those are the little things that I think a coach like like Peterson will come in and do. And he’s just going to help. Again, I go back to Jordy. I I let Jordy Ben, you know, and I I think when Jordy got hired to to work with those guys there, there’s so many little details um and conversations and and and how you’re in and out of the lineup at times and you only play eight minutes a night and you know where you came from before uh before you were drafted possibly you’re playing 20 25 minutes a night. play in all different situations and it’s kind of it kind of hits you between the eyes, you know, like for those good players like, “Wait a second, how now I’m drafted in the second round and I can’t play against these guys.” Well, you have to learn how to play against it because you’re in the American League and it’s going to even get tougher. So, you know, there’s a lot of guys that spend a lot of time in in the American League and for some way they never really find a lot of time in the NHL, but they still end up having a great career. And I think those are the kind of guys that you need. I I’ve said it for a long time. When Gretz was coaching, I never got it. I I didn’t get it. And there’s very few superstar players that have become good NHL coaches. And I believe that the reason for that is things came to those guys easy. And when they played games, they were able to get through games and they did this and they did that. They didn’t have to worry about a lot of the other details of the game because they were just so damn good. Now all of a sudden they become coaches and like like those guys would come to the rink and they’d spend there two and a half hours a day and they’d go out there and they go through a practice and then they get into a game and then they get there 25 minutes or whatever they’d score a goal or two and then they’d go home. Well now all of a sudden when you’re a coach, you got to be there 10 hours a day and you got to, you know, you got to do the practice, you got to talk to every guy, you got to teach. They didn’t have to do that. And so I think the guys that are the good coaches are the ones that were used to putting the time in all the time when you were a player, whether it was at the American League level or the NHL level. And that’s what I think guys like Peterson bring. And they’re they’re just what they are is they’re that conduit between your career here and what you got to do to be able to be a player there, but not just play 150, 200 games in the NHL. get there and play six, seven00 games in the NHL and play there for 10, 11 years. Yeah. Because of the details of the game. Yeah, I think it’s a great point because the the the familiarity is one thing when you know the organization, you know, the players, but I think we talked about this on on one of our shows with Glen Goldson, the even more important is having someone who’s got the same type of mindset that you need that you want your team to have, right? You want we talked about Goldson having the mindset of we need to get over the hump. They’ve lost in Edmonton now two years in a row. He’s got that hunger. He’s got that that intensity that he wants, motivation, all that. For guys like Jordy Ben, guy that you mentioned, guys like uh Peterson that were, you know, Jordy Ben was undrafted. Peterson drafted in the ninth round, basically one of the last picks that they could have made in that draft. You you need that mentality, especially at the AHL level. It’s not an NHL coach. Your your job down there is development, right? I think I forget how Neil Graham worded it, but he used to always say our number one job is to put this team in these players in a spot to go to the NHL. Our number two job is winning. So that that’s the order. Whereas the NHL, obviously we know developing is not what they do. So you want someone there that’s going to do that and have that mentality and as you said have that experience. So when it gets really hard, let’s take Matte Blum. Table Mel was someone who put in the work, got a couple of chances, it didn’t really work out, was really successful down there and was a little frustrated. That’s where the guys like Jordy Ben and Peterson can come in. And you have that sit down. You sit down, you’re talking to them about it. That’s where having that understanding can really go a long way. It can be make all the difference between a player giving up or wanting a new start or whatever and a player sticking to it a little bit more. So, uh, the other thing about these AHL coaches and why this is such an important hire. Obviously, you know, the Goldson’s the big headline grabber that the AHL especially, you know, Texas Texas has been a huge feeder to this Dallas Stars team. Half of this roster were Texas Stars players. The way it is now, Texas is in a tough spot. Not only did the Stars just basically take all of their best players, they traded away Logan Stanovven who was their best player. They took the AHL MVP and Maverick Bourke. Now he’s with them. They’re likely going to use Ritz Kovian for a large part of the season. I’m I’m imagining at some point you’re in a tough spot here. You lose Blue Mel, your leading scorer. This is a tough spot to come into and try to get yourself back to that point of we just went to the West final. Let’s get ourselves competitive again. How hard is that job to to balance that? How hard do you think it is to balance the fact that hey, I’m coming in here. I want our team to be successful. I want us to go on a run here at a Calder Cup, but I also understand that the better my players are, the quicker I’m probably going to lose them to the team up there in Dallas. Well, I I think that’s understood when you come in. And I and I think what the message that is sent to to a guy like Peterson, whoever comes in to coach these team, is like the most important thing is we want these players developed the right way. Now, with that being said, I’m hoping now that Toby Peterson is the new coach there and Glenn Gullixson is the new coach with the Dallas Stars that they have the same system and they work on the same things there as they do here because from what I understand, Neil Graham had a different kind of system in certain areas of the game than than Pety or Pete Dour did, right? So, I just think that for if you want to give a player from the American League when he gets his first chance or whenever it is to come up and they they put you in place up here because of an injury or deserve it or whatever, you at least know how you’re playing, how they’re playing there. If you’re playing something totally different, now what happens is, especially when you’re getting your first, you know, your first kick at the can in the NHL, you start to think more than you react. And by the time you think and then you react, the play has kind of already happened and sometimes you’re on the outside looking in. But when you just I’ve always said, I use the example and I was at one one scouting meeting in Peterbr in Canada with Bob Gayy and all the scouts in Dallas and I just the only question I ever asked I’m like well because I wanted to know how they drafted their players and they just said best player available. And I said okay and I sat down and shut up. 10 minutes later Gayy kind of had me stand up. He goes why why’ you ask that question? I said, ‘Well, I said, ‘Right now, Darien Hatcher has bad knees and Richard Matchuk blah blah blah. I said, and we believe in the system that we play and we’re effective doing all the things that we’re doing. You know, it’s just everybody’s on the same page. Why aren’t we looking for the next Darien Hatcher? Why aren’t we looking for the next Matty or Daryl Sador at the time or or Zub, you know, Mike Banos, everybody’s looking for them, you know, but but I think that when you’re able to pull a player up from the American League, you plunk him into somebody’s spot because somebody’s injured, he doesn’t really miss a beat. He would probably not going to be as good as him, but at least you have the confidence that you have don’t have to go over something on the board with them 10 minutes before the game starts or in the morning skate and say, “This is the way we play. By the way, you guys play totally different down there.” Yeah. You get that last minute call up and it’s I talked to a few guys in Petravic, uh, a few of the other guys that were were there for a little bit and they said the same thing. They said it’s it’s very similar, but there are a few changes. And you’re right, it doesn’t sound like a big deal, but if you want these guys to come right in, be able to play in your system and and have success and not not just have success, some some of them we know are there for a certain amount of time because, you know, Tyler Sean gets injured, you need a guy for three games, but it’s also their shot to show what they can do when they are at that level, right? So, you’re you’re hindering that player. If you’re sending up an A Alex Petravic and he’s playing a totally different defensive system, you’re going to hinder the way he looks. I mean, think of Kyle Capabiano when he came up for that one or two games. He looked completely out of place. That that could have nothing to do with his skill level or defending. It could just be that he was put in a spot very quickly without a lot of warning, had to come up here, play a really kind of frantic system as you talk about, and didn’t look good in it. And you’re right. I think I don’t think there’s any reason to have a different system. you know, maybe maybe your power play runs a little different thing here and that doesn’t really matter because the guy coming up from the AHL is not going to go on the power play, right? But keep the general system on both ends of the ice pretty similar. And I think the Stars did that before I don’t know if it was before Pete or maybe in Pete’s first year and then as you said, Neil Graham kind of shifted some things around. So, I hope they go back to it as well because I love I love to see how a guy comes in and plays with all the pressure whether it’s his debut or not. all the pressure, all the the frantics of maybe a last minute day before call up, pressure of a game, playing against a a superstar player on the other side. And I love to see how the guys those guys take it and handle it because I think it says a lot about them. You’re not expecting them to come in and score four goals in their first game, but if they don’t look overwhelmed, that usually says something about their future as an NHL player because it means that they are not going to be overtaken by moments that are big. So, uh I just think it’s a it’s a good hire. Uh, good for Toby Peterson to to get a job. Uh, that’s not with skills development as Led just said. Um, good for him to be here and excited to talk to him a little bit throughout the season. Luds, I can’t believe it, but we did it. I know. We did an hour. We did it. Ow. Who? Owen who? No. No. And new Kirk. No curse words. We We did it. And we will be doing it again tomorrow. Sean coming on this week at all. I believe we’re going to try to get Sean tomorrow or Wednesday for a little bit if not the whole show. So, we’ll we’ll get some help. But um all you guys listening, thanks for for uh hanging out with us at DLS. Uh we’re going to do a LSD damn Discord either tomorrow or Wednesday. So I’ll post in the Discord, but definitely submit your questions. Let’s make it a real good one. And we will see you back tomorrow, same time, 2 p.m. Central time, me and LS and who knows what else on DLS Stars. All sitting like the mayor.

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