When Will the Blackhawks Be Contenders Again? Rebuild Timeline BREAKDOWN | CHGO Blackhawks Podcast

When Will the Blackhawks Be Contenders Again? Rebuild Timeline BREAKDOWN | CHGO Blackhawks Podcast

It is Thursday, July 10th, but rest assured, we have hockey thoughts. We’re going to talk about the Blackhawks rebuild and how long it might take for them to get to contention today on the CHGO Blackhawks podcast. Heat. Heat. Welcome into the CHGO Blackhawks podcast. Hope you’re having a good Thursday here in steamy Chicago or wherever you’re watching us from. We appreciate you. I’m Jay Zawoski. That’s Mario Turbosi. Sarah’s running the show. Devon’s here waiting to run the show soon. It’s going to happen. I told Deon I believe she’s ready. She made the stream. She made the thumbnail and everything. Look at that. Look how nice the thumbnail looks, everybody. Thumbs up for Devon in the thumbnail creation. Like the video for the thumbnail. Exactly. Right. Make sure you’re subscribed to our YouTube page as well. And if you’re uh listening on your old podcast app, thank you. Follow, subscribe, rate, review, all that great stuff. Today we are going to spread our Wow, I almost said legs. Spread our wings a little bit and talk. I don’t know what’s wrong with me. That’s what happens when I get an hour of sleep. Um anyway, we are going to talk about the Blackhawks rebuild. Uh nice piece written by Paul uh Padudi in the uh daily faceoff yesterday about rebuilds in the NHL. I see that’s been kind of making the rounds. People have been debating about it. So, it’s kind of inspired today’s topic. So, I definitely want to shout out uh Paul. You can follow him at Adjusted Hockey with Daily Face Off. Um, if you read that, I’m I’m This is a very difficult undertaking for a writer to do because there are teams that will tell you like Kyle Davidson has says, “We are rebuilding. It is a complete tear down to the studs. This is the plan. This is what we’re going to do.” Other team I remember a couple years ago before he traded for Seth Jones and Mark Andre Flurry, Sam Bowman said, “We’re gonna kind of retool on the fly here. We’re going to go a little younger. I remember the term being youth movement. Yes. A bit of a youth movement. Then completely abandon highlighted by Philip Curish. Yes. Right. And then completely abandon that a year later. But then there’s teams like Buffalo who just are kind of bad or you know like Nashville is not rebuilding. They just had a bad year. So, the way Paul did it was he defined a rebuild starting when a team has at least two bottom 10 finishes, including a bottom eight finish in a three-year period, and says a rebuild ends when a team makes the playoffs in consecutive years or wins the Stanley Cup and it’s returned to the postseason. So, again, I’m not ripping on Paul here. It is a very hard thing to do. But I think that sort of muddies the waters a little bit because when you look at the results he comes up with then by definition rebuilds take forever, right? But an actual rebuild, the most recent actual rebuild I can that I will say this was a tear it down to the studs rebuild that resulted in a Stanley Cup is the Avalanche. Mhm. and he has the avalanche rebuild taking 11 years. Yeah. Having it start in 2009 and ended in 2019 when they made the postseason in back-to-back seasons. But they also had uh two postseason appearances in 2010 and 2014 in that run. Obviously, not consecutive seasons, but um you know, it’s it’s not uh you know, they didn’t get out they didn’t get out of that run of like mostly you’re missing the postseason. Um obviously then you also know the Avalanche won the Stanley Cup in one of those years. They won the President’s Trophy, uh went to the cup final couple years. Like it’s they’re they’re they’re out of it. That is an emphatic like we are back at the top of the league. Um yeah, I just I don’t know. I like I I definitely get the the work that was put in here. Um it’s a lot of good information, but as I think as you’re saying, like the context of what the team is trying to accomplish uh is missing. Uh Sprout uh in the in the chat here says another one is is the Lightning. Yeah, Tampa Bay Lightning. I think they definitely bottomed out and and then got back to it. Um that’s listed in here uh 2008 to uh 2014. They were in that rebuild frame. Uh but they had a a playoff appearance in 2011. Um but it wasn’t obviously wasn’t consecutive. then they get back to it uh in 2014 and 15 and then run to the cup finals. So yeah, I mean it’s it’s a it’s I think it’s a it’s a good amount of information. It gives you a good framework of what rebuild timelines can be as as he says in the in the article 8 and a half years kind of comes to the to the average. Yeah. Um, but I think the context of what you’re trying to frame the information as uh is missing. And that’s just from a Blackhawk standpoint. Yes. Cuz as this says in here, they’ve been rebuilding since the 2018 uh 2017 2018 season, which they haven’t. That’s not true. The rebuild started in 2022. Anytime under Stan Bowman is not considered a rebuild. No. You don’t trade for Mark Andre Flurry and Seth Jones if you’re rebuilding. No. and and you’re not holding on to Jonathan Taes and Patrick Kane and Duncan Keith and all these guys uh for as long as you did with, you know, Cory Crawford. Like you you don’t hold on to those guys as long as you did and try and say, “Oh, but we’re also rebuilding.” Like, no, you’re you’re holding on to your biggest assets that you would have used to tear it down to try and build for futures or younger players on the like you kept all those guys. Well, I think that’s when we get into this conversation, that’s what makes it difficult because like I said earlier, so few teams actually do it the way the Hawks do because look, I think something that the Hawks are aware of is they won three Stanley Cups in the last decade. So, they’ve got a little bit of credibility built in with the fans. They’ve got a little bit of trust that, hey, like, trust us, we’re going to get back here. We know the way to do it. Now, I I think a lot of fans have soured on Stan Bowman or on Kyle Davidson. Whether that’s fair or not remains to be seen, but at least he’s got a plan and he’s sticking to it. I think people, whatever you felt of Sam Bowman, whether you thought he was good, average, bad, I think everyone would agree that he was very shortsighted. Everything was kind of year to year or this year, maybe next. Looking ahead, Kyle Davidson has been, in my opinion, somewhat annoyingly patient with this rebuild, but if you want to actually rebuild, then you kind of have to do it that way. And he tried the, you know, the stop gap veterans last year and there were varying returns from all those guys. Um, but this feels like and barring another transaction this offseason, which who knows, it feels like they’re very willing to go young. And this is kind of where maybe the standings this year aren’t as great. Maybe they’re similar to what they were last year. Maybe a few few points up or down here or there, but at least you’ve got the young guys leading the charge. And I think the actual like tear down, rebuild through the draft part, I don’t want to say it’s over cuz you’re probably still going to have another lottery pick next year. Yeah. But now it’s about you’ve got this surplus of prospects. You took a couple big swings in this 2025 draft with Nester and West saying, you know what, we’ve got a lot of guys. We can take our time with these two, really develop them well and patiently and then hope they can join us when we’re really hitting our wave here. Um, it seems like that’s kind of the plan now. So, I think this this year in my mind begins phase two of the rebuild. Yeah. Yeah, I would I would say so. I I the the tear down phase is over very clearly. like there’s there’s nothing else that you have. Like we we as we’ve had these conversations about trades and and whatnot to try and get like they don’t have anything that you’re taking away from the NHL roster to try and you know reverse the swing of going down to to going up. You’re not taking anything off that roster be because you just don’t have those guys. The players that you’re betting on are the young guys developing into NHL contributors and beyond hopefully because that’s what you know that’s what you’re betting on. So yeah, I I that phase is done. Um the upswing now is going to be, you know, predicated on what these young guys do and and and I think early returns so far on, you know, the guys that were drafted and brought in um have been have been positive. pretty much every, you know, pick of of consequence is is going in the right direction or seems to be on a trajectory that um, you know, is going to hit what you would hope from a first round pick or a second round pick. Like it’s it’s all early, of course. Like there’s still, you know, there there’s still so much to to learn about what, you know, Sam Renzel is going to be, what Frank Nazar is going to be, guys like that. Um, you know, we we haven’t seen a lot of them even play professionally before. there’s a lot of, you know, hope and expectation for a guy like Sasha Bava, but he’s still in college. Um, so, you know, the the expectation is still high because, you know, a lot of it is is unknown, but there really hasn’t been anyone in the group that is ultra concerning. Now, are some of the guys, you know, that were second and third round picks, maybe they might look like, uh, this might just be a guy who’s kind of on the fringe of the NHL, AHL, maybe, but it’s still hard to make that call at a 20 years old. It’s also that’s second round picks are probably 50/50. Yeah. And third round picks are probably 3070 in terms like like that’s just the nature of the NHL draft is like not a lot of guys make it out to the NHL with big success. Those first round picks are what are really important. Like like when’s a good time to say like, okay, we can fairly analyze a draft, right? Like would you say after seven years, right? Would that be the Yeah, I mean that’s I mean that’s even kind of feels like overshooting like at least. How about five years? I think yeah, for me it feels like if you’re five years out from a draft, you should know a good portion of what you got out of that draft. So in the in the 2025 uh 2020 draft rather almost everybody has played over 100 NHL games. The exceptions are Yaruslav Ascarov who’s on his way to doing so. Uh Rodian Amarov with Toronto who’s not played a single game. Well he uh he died. Oh yeah. That was the guy he had he had like a brain tumor. Yeah. Rodon America. That’s right. That’s Yes. I knew that name was familiar. Yeah. Um, you’ve got Hrix Lapierre with the Caps. He’s got 84 games. Jacob Pro with Anaheim has one. So, it’s towards the bottom of the of the f of the first round. Mhm. Fewer. Second round, you’ve got a lot of guys who have not played a ton. Third round, even more. Like, if you just go through the fourth round of the 2020 draft, one, two, three players have played an NHL game. Yeah. It’s It’s a crapshoot. That’s just how it That’s a crapshoot if you if you hit on those later round picks. Like that’s that’s like a golden ticket essentially outside of you know winning the lottery. Like if you get a guy in a fourth round or fifth round or sixth round pick that even not only plays in the NHL but also like excels like that’s impressive. A guy like Andrew Shaw is is a rarity. you know, fifth round pick ends up playing, you know, a a key role on two cup teams. A guy like, uh, you know, Luis Krevier being a seventh round pick, getting to the NHL, like props to him for even getting to the NHL and then, you know, ending up kind of finding, you know, a home here and and carving out a path to the like that is impressive. So, you know, Del Mastro was a fourth round pick and he looks like a guy that when it’s all said and done is going to have a spot in the NHL somewhere, whether it’s here or or elsewhere. Like, he’ll he’ll be an NHL player. I I have no doubts about that. So, if you can if you can find picks like that, like that’s super impressive. And that’s, you know, you really going to have to judge, you know, Kyle Davidson with this this rebuild plan. like you look at some of his top picks and you know this we can dive into this spreadsheet and talk a little bit more about Kyle Davis who was put together by Sprout. Good job. Thanks for that who’s uh in our in our Die Hard Discord. You know looking at these draft picks like we’re still what 2022 draft. This was Davidson’s fourth was his first. This past one was his fourth draft. So you’re talking about still time left to kind of like let it play out as we like to jokingly say. Yep. But that first draft is Kchinsky, Nazar, Renzel, Lewinsky, Green, Hayes, Sevois, Thompson. Um all of them have played professional games now. By by the end of last season, all of them have played at least a handful of professional games. Um any of them concerning? Not really. the the the one that I would say based on where he was picked and what he has done so far is Paul Lewinsky. And I think it’s still hard to to like close the book on him and be like he’s a bust. And I I feel like he was drafted for a role of like this will be a bottom six grinding guy that we feel will be an NHL player. We don’t project him to have a super high ceiling, but we’re confident he’ll be an NHL player of some of some form. Yeah. I mean, I think that’s fair. I don’t think you needed I think a criticism of that draft class is if you really loved that kind of player, you could have found another one of those guys later in the draft, not in the second round. But anyways, like it’s still, you know, he’s going to play again in Rockford this season. Like, it takes some time for some of these players to fully assimilate to the professional game. And, you know, a guy with speed like that, you know, that’s great. that’s going to get you that’s going to get you so far, but the mind and the hands and and all that like that has to catch up as well. So, it’s it’s it’s still time before you’re even closing the book on boom or bust of these players. Yes. And and it’s also important to remember too that that’s Kyle Davidson’s first draft. And maybe he’s like, ah, you know, I I like the player. Maybe I jumped the gun a little bit on him there cuz I just fell in love with the name and I liked what the scouts had to say. So, maybe I took him a little sooner than I had to. And you learn from exam, you learn from experience and like now that it’s his fourth draft. It maybe it’s a little more sound of a process. Like it’s just kind of we can’t these are not computers, right? And Kyle Davidson will hopefully get better at being a general manager as with as time goes on. Yeah, we saw Stan Bowman go the opposite way as time went on, but you would think that okay, lesson learned. Maybe Paul Lewinsky was picked a little too soon. I think it’s still too soon to say that. But if you want to find one of the Kyle Davidson picks so far that you’re like, I don’t know, that would be the one where you say a second round pick that doesn’t seem to have an NHL future at this very moment. Okay, but for four drafts, that’s pretty good, right? All right, we got to hit the break zone. We’ll be back in two minutes. We’ve got a lot of people watching, not a lot of people liking. So, do us a favor. Hit that like button for us. and we’ll be back in two minutes on CHGO Blackhawks. What is Sunnyside? You should know by now. Unless it’s your first time watching the show, I would understand. 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Um, and and yeah, the quality of the the merch is uh top-notch. to answer Edward’s question. Uh he’s asking about the booth at Windy City Smokeout today if we’re offering any Hogan John’s uh merch. We are not. Um it is all pre-sale that you can order online uh just because we just launched it and so you can pre-sale it online and then it’ll get shipped to you probably in a week or two. Yeah. Thank you, Sarah. Good stuff. All right, we got a big super chat. 20 bucks coming through from Wed Johnson. I hope I said that right. Help me understand what’s missing on this team. And I thought we got a young goalender. Do we now just need a defensive stud and scoring? I don’t know what’s missing to make the Hawks great. So, that’s actually a really good point because you feel like you have all the pieces necessary for the team to be good. You’ve got your franchise firstline center, you’ve got stud defenseman, they’re just not fully developed yet. But when you have a fully realized Connor Bard, Frank Nazar, Ardum Levchinov, Kevin Kchinsky, Alex Blic, uh Sam Renzel, when all these guys hit their primes, it’s going to look different. Yeah, I I I know a lot of people were not around for the first couple years of Duncan Keith and Bren Sebrook. Mhm. It was an adventure for those guys the first couple years. Like there were questions on whether or not Duncan Keith was an NHL player. They weren’t Hall of Famers when they stepped onto the ice at 20, 21 years old. Yes. And that’s and that’s the same case with these guys. It it takes time. It’s very very rare unless you’re putting a 18-year-old on a contender right away or you surround them with, you know, legitimate uh NHL talent right away. It’s very rare for a a guy at 18, 19 years old in the NHL to step in and be a be a superstar. You know, McDavid had that that special talent. Edmonton had some NHL talent on that team. And you also look at that that Edmonton team that Edmonton team that McDavid stepped into. They also had Leon Dryido already. They had Ryan Net Hopkins in, you know, early in his prime. They had Taylor Hall in his early 20s. like they had a lot of of young talent around him working with him and that helped him kind of be able to be that that that special star right away. Sydney Crosby, Alex Ovetkin, they stepped into bad teams but still had guys that you would say, “Oh yeah, they’re in the NHL.” Like that’s where they should be. Um I I like to talk Conor Bard didn’t step into a team like that. And that’s why I always go back to Nathan McKinnon. Nathan McKinnon joins the Avalanche 2013-14. Has 63 points in 82 games. Good good rookie season. No doubt about it. 13-14. Yes. That was the year they made the playoffs. Yes. And yeah, that was a that was a good team that he joined right away and had Conor Bard like numbers. PDIO machine. Yes. So then 1415 64 games 38 points. 1516 72 games 52 points. 1617 82 games 53 points. Now if we’re in year four of counter Bard and he’s in the 50 points people are going to freak out, right? But then I’ll tell you the next year people are already freaking out and he’s had two 60point seasons as a teenager where he’s been the best player on the team. Year five for Nathan McKinnon, he jumps from 53 points in 82 games to 97 points in 74 games. The next year 99 and 82, 93 and nice 69, 65 and 48, 88 and 65, 111 and 71, 140 and 82, and 116 and 79. The point is, we don’t know exactly where these pieces are going to fall. But when it comes specifically to Conor Bard, don’t worry. He is right where he needs to be. Right. Look, is he Conor McDavid? He is not Conor McDavid. He is not Sydney Crosby. That’s a given. Those two guys are like Mount Rushmore hockey players. They are alltime legends of the game. Yeah. So, if he is a tier below that in the McKinnon, Matthews, Malcin, uh, that kind of a mold, I think you could still call maybe generational is not the right term, but it is a very sound first pick. I think that 100 point seasons are certainly in the cards for Conor Bard soon. Maybe not next year, but two years, three years. Yeah, sure. I think next year a point per game is a fair expectation for him. Um, but it’s just it just takes time. That’s what a rebuild is. And again, this whole thing didn’t really start until 2022. Like that was recently. That’s not that long ago. That was in the life of CHGO is when that started. Yes. We we are the rebuild basically. Um, yeah. I just I I I I think when you look at and to the to the point that the super chat was was was making like shouldn’t this already be like a a or shouldn’t they have enough to already be like a great team? It’s just like it’s different than basketball. It’s different than football where you know you’re you the the rosters in basketball are more condensed. You you if you have five or six really good players, you have a good basketball team. You don’t have to go deep on your bench. Hockey, you need to have depth at every position to to be a solid team. Look at, you know, the teams that go far like the Panthers and the Oilers and, you know, Dallas and like all these teams like their their depth throughout the lineup in football when you’re drafting, you know, these young players, first, second, third, fourth round picks play right away in on some teams, especially first and second round picks are are usually starters or like in the mix to get starting time um right away for teams. And you also got to remember the guys that are getting picked like in in in football terms, they’re 21, 22, 23 years old. So the physical maturity and the development of their game in their sport is ahead of what you see with a lot of these guys in hockey where they’re, you know, some make their debuts at 18, 19 years old. Some it’s 20, they’re 20 or 21. Like, you know, you look at where Connor Bard’s at. He’s had two full seasons in the NHL. He’s turning 20 uh next week, right? Frank Nazar has had 50 games in the NHL. He’s 21, right? So like it’s the age maturity is different. The development of the game is different. And we talked about it a couple weeks ago and I just kind of said it jokingly, but as I think about it more, I know we’ve gotten accustomed in the NHL to seeing like teenage phenoms develop and and all that stuff. Um, but just kind of seeing how many people are just like, “This guy’s a bust.” And it’s just like, you know, and it’s not just Bard, like they fan bases around the around the league do it for all the all these guys that are first round picks. If you if you were if you made it so you could you know you changed the draft hypothetically they’re not going to do it but hypothetically if you changed to the draft to be you have to be 19 to be eligible and then if you said like 20 to play like to play in the NHL right you give you would give these guys two more seasons of playing in development leagues whether it’s overseas or in college or in Canadian juniors or anything like that and then they’d be eligible to go to the NHL. Imagine if we were imagine the Blackhawks win the lottery, they pick Connor Bard, he bump slays for two more years at Regina and then at 20 years old he makes his NHL debut. If Connor Bard was going to be a rookie next season, I think your mind would be blown if Frank Nazar was a rookie last year. Yeah. you know, the first time we’d ever see him in the NHL, which technically he was kind of. Yeah. But, you know, that that development path would be if he was jump if he had a third year in college. Um, you know, you look at some of those like if Korchinsky had another year in junior and then beca like I think it would it would completely change the way that the narrative around these young players and the development path and process and expectations would be completely different. Um, but again, they’re not going to do it. So, yeah, it’s just a hypothetical, but I think it would it would completely change how how you look at the scope of things. So, when you’re looking at it like, why aren’t these guys good already? It’s cuz they’re still developing. They’re still developing their their skills and whether you’re doing it in a development league or you’re doing it professionally, like when you’re on the NHL stage, the lights are brighter, the attention is is harder on it compared to if you were playing in college or juniors or anything like that. All right, we got to hit the break zone uh one more time. We’re 25 likes away from 100, so let’s get over that hump. 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Uh you can schedule a free in-home estimate today because some things are just better at home. CHGO listeners can also get a $350 discount when using the promo code cho. That’s right, $350 off. Restrictions do apply. Visit empiretoday.com/chgo for full details. All right, welcome back. Uh, I just saw this on I might have missed this earlier, but Cam Robinson with a tweet. Uh, he’s as plugged in as anybody these days. He says, “NHL GMs have now voted on recentralizing the draft. While the league is yet to alert teams to the final results, it appears a majority have voted to keep it decentralized. If that holds, what a miss.” Yeah, I thought that was going to be a one-year deal after how poorly it went this year, but if Cam is right, and he usually is, um, it looks like Anton Fondell being picked by the Sharks. That’s true. He did kind of back off that though as the draft approached. Convenient. Uh, I am the New York Mets old man in the or no, Yankees. I’m the Yankees old man uh in the stands. GIF. Just a constant thumbs down. I like it. That’s a horrible decision. NHL GMs. I know you’re all listening, all 32 of you. Uh, no one is. It’s terrible, terrible decision. Um, it was like I went back and and watched part of the draft cuz we had our live stream and we had we weren’t able to have sound on it. And as we were watching the draft, we’re like, “Oh, this little room like this is kind of cool.” Oh, different presentation. I went back and watched it after seeing some clips and I was like, “Oh, this was a train wreck.” If we had actually had sound on the TV for the live stream, we would have seen how much of a train wreck it was. Um, boy, it’s just it’s just the the the cool thing that you had about your draft and you got rid of it. It’s it’s it’s a it’s quintessential NHL decision. Gary Bman obviously is trying to take his hands off of that decision by saying, “Look, this is what the owners want. Don’t yell at me.” Um, yeah, it’s the the the centralized draft is just a a better idea. Um, I don’t care about logistics or the cost to get your uh Yeah, if you can’t afford to send your team to the draft, maybe you shouldn’t be in the NHL. Sorry that you’re poor NHL owner. Like, come on. You have to settle for expansion fees are a billion dollar. Like, I don’t want to hear that it’s hard to fly out your staff. No, it’s not. you have planes. You also don’t need to send 20 people. Yeah, maybe maybe you don’t need uh matching suits. Cut down on your budget that way. You could have built an arena if your suits didn’t match. Yeah. So, yeah, that’s just that’s just a bad decision. If it’s decentralized again, I’m going to be upset. Dumb. It will be. So, I’ll be upset. Uh $2 super chat from Nathan. Are Davidson and Blill the new Seavard and Talon? Uh, I don’t I I don’t I haven’t seen Blashel do anything yet, so I’m not gonna say that he’s Dennis. I think he’s Well, is Dennis was the ultimate like meatball hire of this guy’s a former Hawk and knows what it means, right? Like, no, he’s got not really a coach, but I think so maybe Nathan can uh Yes. Okay, he has a comment down here. This is this is what my where my thought went. Meaning, are they the only the guys that are going to get you so far until someone else is there when the Hawks are good again? See, in that context, sure, I’ve never really I I I have thought that they are going to give Davidson a long time to kind of figure this out. I still think that’s going to be the case. But now more than ever before in my head am I thinking, okay, if we get to a point where getting over the hump is necessary, like whether it’s a big trade or big free agency or something. And as we’ve kind of talked about Davidson in in his time here, you know, he’s made some really good he’s made some good trades that you you come out and say Blackhawks had the better end of that. He’s made free agency signings that have for the most part made sense for what they were trying to accomplish. Um but what he’s been trying to accomplish with those trades and those and those free agency signings hasn’t been the big splash to really add something to the team. And there is going to be a point where push comes to shove and he’ll have to do that. If he and if he can’t get it done and if he can’t, then his job should be on the line. Then yeah, then maybe you look at it and say, “Okay, he’s had five or six draft class classes. A lot of these guys look like they’re going to pan out.” And if they do, that’s wonderful. Um, but then it might just be like, well, he he set the table, but now we need someone who’s going to, you know, finish, you know, finish the deal and and be able to get the big trade or the big free agency uh move that is going to say move the Blackhawks up to that contender point. I wonder if if if it turns out that the drafts remain good, but the ability to pull off a major trade or signing starts to lack if there’s some sort of uh we’re going to hire a director of hockey operations that oversees everything. We’ll still call Kyle Davidson a GM just like Carter Hawkins is the GM of the Cubs, but we know it’s Jed Hoyer doing most of the work. Um, I wonder if they would do bring somebody in like that to get I think that we’re way ahead of our skis right now. Um, but I just I wouldn’t want to be in a situation where you have one person trying to make decisions and another person trying I just think you open up the door to conflicting heads and then stagnating a team. Look, but the fact remains I am so far pleased with what Kyle Davidson’s job overall. Has he been perfect? No. There’s no perfect GM in any sport. There’s no GM that bats a thousand ever. Uh, however, it still remains to be seen if he can land that big fish. And I’m kind of and even though it is factually correct that it takes two teams to make a trade and guy we can’t force guys to be made available, you can sort of force teams hands by being super competitive, super aggressive with offers to make a trade or whatever. So, look, I was annoyed for agency day when they didn’t do anything, but Mner that was a seemed like a already gonna happen that he was going to uh Vegas. Eers was kind of the one guy that really got out there cuz even Besser went back to Vancouver. Eers goes to Carolina, wants to go to a winner. Fine. He’s approaching 30. So, he wants a chance to win a cup. Understood. So, okay. But I can’t have that excuse year after year after year. At some point, you’ve got to go make the big swing and land it. And maybe it’s this coming summer, maybe it’s the summer after that. But I think there’s going to become a time here where Danny Wartz maybe starts to lose a little bit bit of patience with things too because at some point the bottom line is going to get impacted here and maybe fans stop showing up or there’s just you know general apathy about the whole team which is that’s a real thing like you can’t be irrelevant for too long or not. You’ve got to find a way to get this team to the next level soon. Mhm. I know. We’ve talked about it all winter, all spring. There were only so many options the Hawks had this summer. I’m glad they didn’t trade for Matt Dumble like the Pittsburgh Penguins just did for some reason. Um or someone like that. But at some point, he’s got to figure it out. I’m confident that he will, but if he can’t, then you got to start having some tough conversations about things. Yeah. No, I I I think that that’s that that’s fair. I mean, you’re you have to be able to be judged based on results at some point. And when you when you as an organization like say like we’re ready to take the next step, expectations have to be higher. The bar has to be higher. Um, and if you fall short of it, there’s got to be consequences by uh to that. And I I think, you know, you look at in the context of going through a rebuild and yeah, you’re not signing free agents that are going to put you over the top, but as in our chat here, change the logo is saying like what free agents has he actually signed that have actually panned out? My comment was more he has signed guys that have worked majority of them have worked well for the role that they were supposed to be. I I’ll go through this. This is from again the spreadsheet done by Sprout um one of our dieards. He in the summer of 2022 signed Max Doi to a one-year deal. Everyone knew the deal with that. He’s going to play here, play well, get flipped. It’s exactly what happened. Good for Max Doi. Um, Alex Stlock was a free was free agent pick. Remember how fun it was for Alex Stlock to be around here? He was a ma he was a Masterton Trophy nominee for the season we had. Yeah. Colin Blackwell, like did we joke about him falling down all the time? Yes. But was he an energy player, a good depth role guy, and and has actually been a a player that like the Dallas Stars have invested? Some big goals in these playoffs. Yes. Here’s one that I think because of other situations will get poo pooed, but up until his dismissal from the team for off ice issues, Cory Perry was playing exactly the way the Blackhawks wanted him to when he was here and having the impact they wanted him to. On ice, it was working. off ice. We still don’t know the full story of what happened, but they made the right decision in their eyes. That’s completely fine. Ryan Donado was a free agent signing that worked out. Uh, but see this and Tavo have have been the guys that they spent should have been. Is Ryan Donado scores 31 goals? And while we all are sort of like, is this really who he is? And we think probably not. Why does Davidson get no credit for finding a guy who was a complete journeyman who had been on what three teams before he joined the Hawks? Four teams, whatever it is. He’s been on He’s been on five in his career, which is now I think six or seven years long. He finds that diamond in a rough for dirt cheap. He gets 31 goals out of the guy, but he can’t he can’t make any good free for agent signings. Like the evidence is there. and Berusi and Tavo for as frustrating as parts of their seasons were they hit the back of the hockey card on the nose. Both of them they were what they were expected to be. Same for like I know people weren’t jazzed about Pat Maroon and Craig Smith and Alec Martinez but for what they were expected to do they did it. So yeah the one bad Lorenosis that’s you have no idea. He got hurt after. He got hurt after a problem when that deal was signed July 1st. No one batted an eye at that deal. Everyone thought it was a great deal. Everyone praised it. We were like, “Oh snap, we got a a one-two now with Morazzic and Brris.” Um I mean other like I look at this list, are there any other major misses besides Brody? Maybe Andreas Thanosu in the long run was a miss, but you brought him in, he had a 20goal season and then you resigned it. And he had a severe injury. Yeah. And then he had a a big problem. So I don’t know. I look I I think you know there’s there’s something to be said for being able to make the moves that you need to in the situation that you have you have put yourself in going through a rebuild. He’s drafted well. I I would say give him a a passing grade for drafting trades for the most part. I think it’s few. I think you can count on one hand, if not a couple of fingers, uh, how many trades he’s made that you’d say that was bad. Same thing with signings. And the only one that is definitively bad, I think, is the Hegel trade. Hegel trade got you Kachuk, Radish, uh, Oliver Moore, and was it not the Renzel pick? Oh, yeah. Was that the Renzel pick? So that might not even be Well, let me go back to the spreadsheet cuz it’s on there. Yeah, I’m looking right here. It was uh Yeah, Bav is the other one. Okay, so you got more and so a 20 goal season out of Taylor Radish and NHL games out of Boris Kachuk. Yep. So yeah, I mean it’s if Moore and Bu if either of them play close to a Hegel or both of them do, it’s a win. Yeah. Um, but again, that’s one of those things like we were talking about with draft classes when you’re making trades that involve picks and future picks, like it takes time to let those things kind of play out before you say boom or bust. Oliver Morris played what, nine NHL games. It’s it’s it’s going to take some time. I don’t know. It’s it’s it’s definitely um an interesting idea about like okay is he going to be a table setter or is he or is he going to GM his way to contention? Yeah. I I we we have yet to see you know when you have to make that big move and they talked about you know that they were trying to convince Jake Gensel to come here two summers ago. Um, Gensel made the right career move and saying, “No, I’m going to go to Tampa Bay and, you know, continue to contend and and and and I think that’s I think that’s the thing with a lot of these free agents is like when you get to free agency, you’re in your prime and you want to make sure that a lot of these guys, if they come from contending teams and they’ve played Stanley Cup playoff hockey, they don’t want to backtrack. And some of them you might be able to entice with a paycheck. Um, but others it’s it’s down to, you know, what the what the team is going to do when it’s April and May and and June. Like so I I I think what this team can do this year to move the rebuilding process forward and move to move into that next phase and and hopefully you know progress from you know October to April we’re talking about a progression of the of the team and the rebuild process as a unit is you know these young guys that are going to be playing Renzel Nazar um you know uh Levinov Kaiser Uh we’ll see what Arvin Solder Blum ends up being uh after having a bounceback year. See what Spencer Knight is as a as a starter. He’s never done it before uh being a starter in the NHL. If all those guys seem like they have taken that step from October to April forward collectively as a group, then you go into next summer and you might have free agents around the league looking at the Blackhawks and saying these young guys have it. So, let me let me see if that’s something to be interested in or something that I want to be a part of. And and you know, they might look like the ‘ 0708 Blackhawks or something like that where then you say, “Oh, maybe, you know, then you get a a Brian Campbell looking at the Hawks kind of signing kind of thing.” I don’t know. I maybe it’s wishful thinking um that it’s going to be that big of a jump. I don’t expect it to be that big of a jump, but I think there is a a reasonable path where you’re looking at these young guys and say they could do that. Yeah. Couple comments I want to get to. Um, we had one from Jim earlier in the show. Uh, he says, “So many questions with this team. We should know more at the end of the season on what we have. We still need a top six forward without question.” And I I think yeah, that that’s that’s kind of where we’re at with this thing. like it’s it’s this is the first year where we’re going to get a decent look at the kids. And I know someone else mentioned earlier like there’s eight veteran forwards and there’s not really spots open, but I I do think there’s a pretty good possibility that when the trade deadline comes, some of those vets are shipped out. I think Digginson will be gone at the deadline. You could probably argue I MV could be gone at the deadline, probably. Conor Murphy will probably be gone at the deadline. So then you can have Guav finishing his college season coming over or if Fondell goes back to Sweden and his SHL season ends in March, he can come join after the trade deadline. Like and then those spots start to fill in. Right now you’ve really got one maybe two spots open for a young player um that you weren’t expecting like an like a Moore or a Doc or whoever it might be, but they’re going to become open as the year goes on and and like who knows how the veterans shake out this year. They’ve shown that when a veteran like this was kind of the thing last year is like well boy you’ve got these veteran guys and they’re not playing well and you’ve got young guys ready to go like like uh like Nazar for example no problem waving Joey Anderson and sending him down no problem benching TJ Brody for the last three months of the season right basically so young guys could play because he wasn’t doing anything. So, I I think that one thing we do know about Kyle Davidson is that he is not sentimental, like tore the band-aid off of Kane and Taves, which a lot of GMs would not have had the balls to do at all and and moved on from Taves, traded Kane, traded to Brinkit. It would have been really easy for him to say, “Well, we’re going to rebuild, but we’re going to keep these guys around for continuity, blah blah blah.” That’s that’s what that’s what Stan Bowman was doing and would have done had had he still been in in the you know in in the GM chair. it all those guys would have stuck around and you know the the missing the playoffs um you know I I I I think there it’s it’s hard to look at that and say yeah they they would have clawed their way out because I think at some point you just kind of plateau with those with those players and who knows if Brandon Hegel becomes the the player he was he ended up becoming in in Tampa when you know you’re surrounded by by elite talent um you can have your, you know, your own uh skills elevated. So, I don’t know. I’ve seen the name uh Jack Rosik floating around in our chat and elsewhere. That to me, is he still a free agent? He is still a free agent. That’s interesting. He is uh what is he 28 right now? Yeah. Uh 39 points in 81 games last year in Carolina. Doesn’t that to you feel like taking a spot away from a young player? Don’t you feel? Yeah, it would be. Don’t you feel you can get 39 points from Oliver Moore? That’d be nice. 39. I don’t know. Maybe that’s maybe that’s high, but like that would feel high, but it would be nice. And you remember you traded for Burikovsky who’s going to be in the 30 to 40 point range. Probably pretty predictably if he’s healthy. Yeah. So that’s the thing like that’s a move for the sake of a move. I think what we’re talking about is, and someone in the chat’s like, “Did you really want him to overpay, you know, $15 million for Mitch Mner?” No, I didn’t. But what what we’re trying to say is the one box to check for me anyway, is signing the big deal when it when it’s time. And if Kyle Davidson doesn’t believe it’s time, that’s fine. He’s the architect of this rebuild. He’s clearly got a plan that he’s sticking to, but at some point, he’s got to show it. That’s all I’m saying. I like we put a video out last week where it was a similar conversation and everyone’s like these meatballs. I’m like that’s no one’s listening to the context of what we’re saying. All we’re saying is it remains to be seen if he can get it done because he hasn’t truly doesn’t seem like he’s tried yet aside from Jake Gensel. Yeah. And Jakeel chose Tampa. And even that it’s I don’t even think it was a situation where it was like the Blackhawks and Tampa are the two teams pushing the hardest for Jake Gensel and it’s going to come down to the wire. You know, just speaking like a Elliot Freeman tweet or something like that. Like I don’t think it was like that. I I think it probably was more or less we offered Jake Gensel an opportunity and offered him a contract and had conversations. you don’t know how how often or how you know what the dollars were or if it was like we offered him $11 million and he took a discount to go to Tampa or whatever like I don’t think it I don’t think it was that scenario because that doesn’t even that doesn’t feel like a Kyle Davidson play at at at this stage of the game. Uh, no. Roid says, “Does Laferdy McKay, Felino, the majority of these vets are taking spots away from a young guy even at the trade deadline? It’s meaningless hockey. But if Oliver Moore is lighting the AHL on fire, they don’t have to wait to the deadline to make a move, right?” And the idea that like they tra they traded for Sam Laferty. If Sam Lafer is going to play 82 games for the Blackhawks, there’s no way he’s not an everyday guy. He doesn’t need to be an everyday guy. Yeah. He is a veteran option that brings a certain element of the game that the Hawks, I think we all admit, have been missing over the last few years. That physicality with the speed. Like that’s a good thing to have, but he’s not a guy who’s going to play 82 games for the Hawks next year. There’s no way. So, if a kid comes up, they will find a way to get that kid in the lineup. Absolutely. Absolutely. You don’t think Kyle Davidson wants his stud prospects in the NHL as soon as they’re ready? Yeah. He that’s how he that’s how he keeps his job. Davidson’s guys are the guys he drafted, the guys that he’s the young guys he’s brought in. It’s it’s a lot different than than uh you know Stan Bowman was where it’s like oh my guys are all the veterans you know especially with Quenville like my guys are all the veterans the like like sorry to be a young upand cominging player in the old Blackhawks regime where it was just like oh we’re just you’re just going to get buried and any one mistake you’re benched and then you’re back to Rockford you know the the Jeremy Morren and Brandon Puries of of of Yore um Davidson’s guys are are the young players So, if if if there’s an opportunity and a reason for a young player to be moved up to the NHL and get NHL opportunity, by gosh, they’re going to get it because he is he is not he’s brought in these these veterans, yes, but he is not, I would imagine, dead set loyal on Sam Laughafer or Ilia McKay being the guys that he’s got to respect and keep around and make sure that they’re on the roster when, you know, the Blackhawks are contending again. They’re not. Yeah. I like you said before, MV feels like he had a great end of last year, end to last year. If he replicates the end of last year’s season at the start of this year and through, you know, the winter, he’s a wonderful trade deadline piece. Yeah. Sam Laferty, if he’s what he was last year in Buffalo, singledigit points in 60 games or was seven points in 60 games or whatever it is, that’s fine sitting on the bench. Yeah, that’s fine being waved to Rockford and maybe someone takes a waiver claim on him. They’re going to move guys at the deadline. Like it’s it’s you don’t have to it’s not so cut and dry black and white that because you say, “Well, we’re going to let the kids play.” Then it has to be lineups like we saw at the end of the season where it’s 13 12 or 13 players who are 20 years old. It doesn’t have to be that. Keep in mind you have one defenseman uh over the age of uh 30 on your team. Oh, actually over the age of 24. 25 aside from uh Vlastic and Krevier. Like it’s Yeah, that’s a really young team. Um up a little bit. I’m Dearon uh said, “Keep going up a little bit, Sarah. There it is.” He says, “I mean, the point is he has to prove he won’t pull a Rick Han acquired the young players then blow it by not being able to get Manny or Harper.” The difference between the Blackhawks and the White Socks is that the Blackhawks are a destination franchise in the NHL. We had Brennan Pini on yesterday and he talked about how this is a guy who played for Detroit. He played for Edmonton. He played for a lot of teams and said the Blackhawks are in a different stratosphere when it comes to accommodations for players, opportunities in the city, opportunities for families. Free agents are not looking at standings alone or prospects alone. They’re looking at what is the best situation for themselves. And Chicago offers that. The White Socks, on the other hand, are historically a low-level operating organization. We can get Sean Anderson in here to tell you all about it if you want, or you can just listen to CHG White Sox. I mean, it’s a team owned by Jerry Ry. They cut corners. The players don’t get the things they need. You’ve seen stories coming out from uh last year’s team that the players were faking injuries because the leadership is not strong enough. Like it’s a totally different kind the the comparison between the Blackhawks and the White Sox cannot be made. Now if it was the Bill Wartz Blackhawks, you could have that talk. Mhm. But even the Bill Wartz Blackhawks for the majority of his ownership time were a competitive team. They had what like a 37year playoff streak or something. I know it was easier to make the playoffs back then. Sure. But to compare the White Socks as a destination and the and the Hawks as a destination is two totally different things. Mhm. Totally different. Yep. And the Gigad is kidding himself by saying the socks are a destination 2J. They are not. They are not a destination. They’re not. All the socks stadium has is better food. It’s not even about It’s just they just don’t Players don’t want to play in a vacant ballpark. They don’t want it. They want big money. The Socks don’t pay anybody. Like it’s And then it’s amenities. Yeah. And amenities, too. It’s And it’s not like I don’t care. I don’t hate the White Socks. I’m a Cub fan, but I just focus my hatred on St. Louis at all times. Uh don’t really care one way or the other about the White Socks. So, but it’s it’s just it’s just what is what it is. The White Socks is kind of just a place for the prospects just to develop uh because they’ll get lot less of playing time. Yeah. because uh there’s no nobody else really to play, right? So anyway, so I see what you’re saying. Um but I I think players know the reputation of this organization is sterling around the league. Yeah, I I would say as a player going to Chicago for the amenities and and the city and the way that the organization treats its players and the way that you know they they’re a team that has a direction. It’s not a direction everybody likes, but it’s the team that has a direction. If you can say, you know, there’s there are teams that operate that just kind of seem like, well, this year we might do this and then next year might be something different, but we’ll worry about it next year. Like, Kyle Davidson has a direction he wants to go and they’re going to go in it. So, if if you want to be a part of it, you can. It’s very clear out in the open that that’s the direction that they want to go. All right, we’re going to wrap things up. Thanks for being with us today. We appreciate it. Thanks for getting us over the 100 like mark. If you’ve not already hit the like button, please do. We would greatly appreciate that. 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