LIVE Garden Report: Celtics vs Grizzlies Summer League Postgame Show

LIVE Garden Report: Celtics vs Grizzlies Summer League Postgame Show

Hard hat’s all about showing up to play hard, doing what it takes to win. If you want to cement legacy, win another. He’s your third center. You don’t want to pump him up too much, but it’s hard not to. This is maybe the most I’ve ever agreed with you. What’s going on, guys? Vegas. Nothing nothing Bobby gets more excited than going to Vegas wearing a bucket hat and watching a bunch of future watching a bunch of future firefighters play basketball. I got a couple on me. Hold on. You want one, Noah? Hold on. Hold on. No, don’t let know how close you are. The illusion. Maintain the illusion. Both Noah and Bobby are in Vegas carving out whatever space they can uh as it’s tight, it’s packed. You’ve got a lot of teams there, a lot of media from a lot of different places checking out uh some of the, you know, rookies and secondyear players and in the case of Jordan Walsh, thirdyear players in the ch case of Kenneth Loftton, I don’t know how long he xy year uh been around, but a lot to talk about and a fair amount to unpack from game one. our first look at uh Celtics’s top draft pick, Ugo Gonzalez. We also got to see their other two uh second round picks as well, Amari Williams and Max Schulga. Uh and a surprise uh did we just find our first center, Bobby? Is it possible? At least third center. At least maybe we did we just find our first center. Uh that’s all possible as well. So again, lot to talk about and some not so great stuff to talk about uh with our boy and friend of the Garden Report, Baylor Sherman, with a less than stellar uh summer league uh year 2 debut. We’ll get into that as well. 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And a lot of people have been kind of gearing up in the chat here. I don’t even know um where what the headline off of this is. U, so I I I’ll kind of spin the wheel and let you guys go in whichever direction you want. Maybe we’ll start with uh well, maybe we’ll start with Ugo. Uh our first look at the Celtics top draft pick who shouldn’t by any means be a guy who plays this year because he’s 19 and he still needs to mature. And typically that’s the type of player you stash or you just, you know, they ride the main shuttle or they sit and they develop. But there might be a path to minutes based on, you know, the roster and its needs and the fact that he plays wing and the fact that he can defend and maybe can even defend uh at an NBA level sooner than later. So I don’t know what else to say other than he comes almost exactly as advertised, guys. Yeah, it’s funny because there was such limited film on him that a lot of my research over the past few weeks was watching him from, you know, his younger days from talking to people and he again, as you said, John, like the first play of the game, he crashes the offensive glass, finishes with like a high energy putback and then deflects on the other end and he struggles in the free throw line and he struggles a little bit around the basket and he wasn’t like a, you know, an elite full, you know, fully fleshed out score. But I thought he was exactly what we had expected and that’s a good thing because I’ve heard a lot of good things over the last few weeks. Um, so that to me like there’s a lot of potential there. His statline doesn’t look awesome. Like he was I think four for 12 from the game, but his overall game I think looked better than what the box score was. Like there were a lot of good decisions and good moments that just didn’t necessarily translate. And also I’ll just say this team won by 14 against the Grizzlies team that has several legit NBA players. Jaylen Wells, Gi Jackson, guys that have contributed at the highest level and and achieved a lot already. Like Jaylen Wells was one of the best rookies in the league last year. Um, so the fact that he was kind of running the show in a lot of ways and like the couple guys that did play a lot tonight, like they they impacted winning like more so than they showed that they have all an all-star ceiling. So I like the way that the team generally played together, too. Yeah, no doubt. Bobby. Yeah. And you said we were watching the game together. No, there was like three plays at the beginning that perfectly encapsulated him. you know, some of the shooting struggles early and he turned that around by the end of the game. Uh, turnover almost right away and then just a frenetic defense that he played throughout this game. And there was a moment later where he just used his length and reached his arm in on a play that he wasn’t even defending and got a block just by reaching out and getting his hand in position to block it. So, he did some stuff in this game and I was throwing the tournament during the game though, a gadget player. I don’t know, John, is that more of a football thing or a basketball thing? Because I do think gadget player is typically gadget player to me gadget player in football is typically someone who just does small specialized things you know like you’re using like a you know a real quick like a Marcus Jones type defensive back as a gadget player to bring them in in special formations and have five six plays for them a game. I don’t know that you go uh uh you know but he might be a specialist you know like I think of him in that way because I don’t think he has a set out position yet. I know they threw him into the fire at point guard in this game and he did all right. I thought most of the team did all right despite them not having a prototypical point guard like JD Davidson in this game. So, the fact that they were so competent offensively across the board and he did some decent stuff on the ball too in this game, I thought it still looks better off the ball to me at this point, it was a pleasant surprise because I think the last couple summer leagues, I remember the first game just being ultra sloppy, no one looking like they were connected. And now that you have a team where there’s some players who could feasibly be involved faster than we think or thought at one point, it’s good to see that they’re at least on the same page out of the gate here. And that’s all you can really ask for from a lot of guys. I don’t care about made shots. I don’t care about mistakes. I like the fact that they’re trying some different stuff here. And I think the big picture takeaway you have from this game and Ugo was part of this is they want to play faster. They want to play offense a little differently this year. And I think in ter if we’re talking about stuff, Noah, that matters for the Celtics, the Boston Celtics this year. That’s stuff that they’re trying to do offensively that’s a little different than what they’ve done in the past. And Matt Reynolds talked about that yesterday. That is what I’m watching for here. How consistently can they play fast and in control? How much do they add and implement some cutting here? How much do they switch up their offensive approach in this game? How many threes did they shoot out of the total? Uh 28 out of 74. It’s not as much as you normally see the Celtics shoot. So, they were doing some different stuff here. Yeah. I I I I Bobby, you mentioned the pace. I think that that’s worth talking about. But again, I don’t know how much translates I I I don’t know how much translates from what you’re seeing in summer league all the way into the regular season. But I do think that there’s no secret that the Celtics want to play faster. Brad Stevens himself said it um talking specifically about the Knicks series and and especially that game where they lost where they just slowed to a crawl. Um and you know, I think that as that that’s as much to do with personnel as it is choice, right? You can choose to play fast, but if you don’t have the people who want to play fast or willing to play fast, that’s not going to work for you. But if you’re all of a sudden gonna be forced to be a little bit younger, uh, and playing guys who might be less refined, you might have no choice in that. But yeah, it was interesting. I also wonder whether it’s an NBA trend after seeing kind of what we saw in the finals here with teams playing a little bit deeper and the idea of just pressing full court and wearing people down and using your depth to your advantage. if that’s just a way that the NBA is now going because you saw both teams doing it uh throughout the game really pressuring the ball full court uh and you know again I don’t know how much of that translates over into the regular season when you’re playing with actual players versus you know these journeymen most of whom aren’t going to be part of the teams that they’re on right now but it was interesting to see it for sure. Yeah, and I think Matt Reynolds, the Celtics Summer League head coach, he stressed at practice that like what he’s been really impressed by is how hard everybody’s playing. Um, and you know, it’s one thing to say that. It’s a nice thing to say, but he really like made a point of it that I actually was like, “Okay, I bet we’re going to actually see that.” Like it’s not just a talking point. And I do think that was kind of what I took away from this game. Like everybody played really, really hard and they had they had complete buy in. Again, this is a team that’s been together for a couple days, so I don’t know exactly what to make of it, but that is if we’re trying to draw like how the the parent club is going to have to play, like they don’t have the talent to fall back on anymore, right? The the actual Boston Celtics. And so, I think there’s a lot of things they’re going to have to draw from of like that that fullcourt pressure, that pace. You look at the personnel you mentioned, John, like the personnel that’s remaining on this roster are the guys that like playing fast, right? So, I think I do think you’re going to see that. I don’t want to extrapolate too much because you’re not you’re not going to have the same players. I also think they’re trying out things that they’re not necessarily going to do with the Boston Celtics, but uh certainly I think like my mind was wandering there too of like okay there’s some flashes here that we’re probably going to see in Boston. Yeah. Um so sticking on Ugo before we move on here and again it has been tough to kind of figure out exactly what type of player he is. I I’m not this isn’t a critique as much as I’m trying to figure out what it is that like the energy is unreal. the fact that he fights through screens the way that he does and he plays like a madman. Like that stuff translate. That stuff can get you minutes almost on its own, but you can see it. You know, you said don’t necessarily look at the stat line in any in any in any way here, not even the positive. That three of five three-point shooting, one of them was off the bank and the shot looks a little bit janky. So, uh again, that release, I think he’s got to work on it a little bit. You know, people are talking about the free throws as well. That that’s not a great indicator. The shot requires a lot of refinement. I am curious. It’s it’s tough to extrapolate off of one game, but where do you see and Bobby mentioned better off the ball than on? I mean, I don’t think he did a terrible job, but you saw that turnover almost right off the bat there. And, you know, I’m curious if he’s going to be able to even create himself. Like, do you think there’s a path to him getting buckets in a particular way? Is it all about being, you know, maybe a 3ND type player? Like, what’s the what’s the hope that he can turn into? whether it’s a player comp or the style of player that you think that he can be. How’s he going to get his buckets at the NBA level? Oh, get his buckets. Interesting. I think he’s almost a blank slate. Like, I think they can completely mold his game totally what they want it to be cuz I don’t think he has a particular role at this point in his career. I think he’s been asked to do a little bit of everything. And I think this summer league team is going to ask him to do a little bit of everything. I do probably shy away from saying he’d be a point guard just because of what they have at that position, the amount of players who control the ball this year and especially beyond that when Tatum gets back. So, I hope that they can utilize him. And I say gadget player just because I think of the Bruce Browns. I think of the, you know, Christian Browns, the guys that we’ve talked about that he might compare favorably to. And they’re guys who cut, screen and roll, do a bunch of different stuff, push the ball in transition. They pretty much just find ways to get involved offensively and especially for a guy who doesn’t project to be a great shooter know like I I don’t want to rule that out because he’s 19, but we haven’t seen a ton of evidence from the little that we have seen from him playing so far that he has the upside of being a great shooter. I want to see them involve him in some creative ways this year if they’re going to use him. And I didn’t see a ton of cutting today. No, I don’t know if you did. Um, I didn’t see them necessarily setting him up off the ball a ton in positions to be able to, you know, catch the ball and make some decisions on the move and stuff like that. A lot of the time he was just catching, shooting, spotting up, shooting, coming out of a screen, catching and shooting and doing stuff that we’ve seen Celtics wings do. And he did a good job with it. But I freaked out a week or two ago on this show saying don’t put guys who are not going to shoot great in the corner and just have them play catch and shoot roles. I don’t think that’s going to work for Ugo, at least early in his career. I don’t think that’s his skill set. So, I want to see them having him screening. I saw a little bit of that here today. I want to see them allowing him to cut. I don’t give a damn that they didn’t cut in the past. It’s a different team now. It’s different players. I think you start to change up your offense a little bit to suit the players that you’re trying to get involved and develop. And let’s be real, is this guy part of their core into the future? We have no idea. But he was your first round pick this year. So, if you’re high on him and you believe in him, adjust the offense a little bit to put him in a position to succeed. I don’t want to see him just catching and shooting threes. Noah, this year I’m going to It’s going to kill me. Bobby, you’re mad already. Nobody said he’s No. Why are you mad? I don’t Why do you think that that’s going to happen? He’s already Is it based off of what you saw today or you just are you just worried because of past guys? Past guys. I think that’s what they did with N Smith. I think that’s what they did with Walsh. I think that’s what they’ve done with every young player going back years now. And this is a time and Stevens has said it and Reynolds has said it over the last couple of days here. They can experiment, change some stuff up. It’s going to be a different team this year. They don’t have the shooting they’ve had in the past. They don’t have the playmaking personnel that they’ve necessarily had in the past. They have to do some stuff differently. We’re just doing snapshots here, you know? I don’t think you’re not reacting to this game. I’m saying big picture. You get I wasn’t I thought you were talking based off of today, but I understand what you’re saying. Like there is a pattern of you can kind of figure what his role is going to be. And I just think everything that I know has played is going to just be thrown out the window a little bit though. Like that’s maybe I’m totally wrong and they’re actually going to try to play exactly how they were playing last year, just down five rotation players. But I would imagine that they’re going to rehash a lot of what they’ve done in recent years, right? Yeah. Um so like I think they’re going to be top 10 in pace next year. Like they have to be. So maybe that’s totally wrong and the main things that they were struggling with will continue. But I I think John to your point about like your question about how is he going to get his buckets like I think it’s actually not what we saw today. I don’t I don’t foresee that he’s three guy. He was one for one for seven from inside the ark. Slasher cutter penetrator. Yeah, I think that’s where you’re actually going to see him get more of his points and it was Charles Bassie who I know we’re going to talk about it a little bit later, but he said like you know you can’t block him like that finish that he has around the basket. It’s it’s like impossible to block. Uh that that’s I think what you’re going to see. He has that euroep that we’ve seen in a couple clips from practice. Uh you didn’t see that today, but I would imagine that is part of his scoring arsenal. Um, and again, there are a lot of guys that come into the league that can’t shoot consistently like a Derek White, like a Grant Williams that they have faith they’re going that’s going to come around. I don’t think they would have drafted him if they looked at a shot fundamentally and said this is a guy that’s not going to be able to turn that around. I think like similar to Jordan Walsh where a three-point shot is still an open question and tonight I know I’m sure we’ll talk about Jordan, but tonight Jordan Walsh is three for six from beyond the arc. Thought that that shot looked really good. But one of those guys is going to have to come around to break into the rotation. So that’s why when we’re forecasting like is it going to be Ugo, is it going to be Baylor? Is it going to be Jordan? Like it’s not going to be all of them, but somebody is going to find a way to consistently score and put points in the board and be a threat and space the floor and do all those things because the opportunity is very much there right now. Yep. Um, no doubt about it. You know, we could circle back to Hugo if we have more uh more thoughts or more comments, but I think all in all, I think we’re all kind of in agreement. So, real quick before we before we move off him, we talked to him yesterday. We did an interview with him that’s going to come out. Um, being around him for the first week or so here, he’s impressive. He’s impressive guy. You can tell he’s professional. You can tell he’s been a professional for a long time. The, you know, English ability he has coming out of Spain is pretty impressive, too. And just the way he carries himself. And you even saw in the cutaway interview, John, like he didn’t even want to talk on the sideline when they pulled him aside for an interview. He’s like, you know, we’re trying to play the game. There’s no silly, you know, there’s no silliness from from him, from what I’ve seen. Like, he’s pretty locked in here. Even we asked him what he did in Vegas the first night and he was like getting ready to play. So, I’m pretty impressed by both the IQ that he shows out there because he did all the right things. I felt like Noah. Did the shot go in every time. Did he turn it over a little bit? Yes. But I feel like he put himself in good positions on the floor and he just doesn’t look 19 out there. Like remember Walsh just playing a little frenetic, a little crazy coming in at 19. I don’t see that from him. I don’t feel like he’s Yeah, I don’t feel like he’s lost out there. And he did tell us after this game that it was really hard adjusting to the speed of the game and all that, which I found interesting, but it didn’t look that way to me at least. I don’t know how you felt, Noah. Yeah, his his demeanor really stands out to me and like obviously like you know how you come off the media is like a tiny portion of actually who you are and and what you’re going to be as a player, but he is so serious and like there was a moment postgame where Jay King of the Athletic asked him about how he was shooting free throws during the halftime break because he was one for five from the line in the first half and he was like that’s unacceptable, right? Do we have that clip? Oh, sorry. I thought you were pointing like we have the clip. Oh. Oh, the subscribe thing. Yes, subscribe. Um, but yeah, so and he’s had that since the moment that we met him at like a community event. Like he just carries himself very seriously in a know it kind of reminds me a little bit of like Jaylen Brown, Jason Tatum energy where it’s like they’re obviously, you know, 27 years old, so it’s a little bit different, but he kind of talks like they do. He doesn’t talk like a young guy. And I think he carries himself like that. And on the floor, too, like he did not have that really young energy. Like he made a lot of mistakes, but I thought that generally speaking, like he he really does seem like a pro. Like it’s such a cliche thing to say at this point because we all know that he was a professional basketball player last year, but it’s it’s night and day from the last couple rookies, I think, just in that sense where you can just see that he has been around all this. He’s been around the the pro game and the older players and all that. Yeah, I I I agree with all of it and you guys have the firsthand because you’ve spoken to him, but you could definitely the makeup you could definitely tell is there and he does play with a confidence. Doesn’t look like he’s overwhelmed. doesn’t mean that he’s able to do whatever he wants to do out there. You know, far from it. But doesn’t look like he’s shying from the challenge. If somebody is in his way, he just goes harder. You know, if somebody’s moving fast, he just tries to move faster. You know, I I I liked a lot of what he did today. I like that. You know, okay, he gets screened off. He’s trailing. He doesn’t give up. He’s just chasing uh and and he’s trying to get back into the play and make and m make an impact. And I thought he did. Those euroep moves, too, are sick. Some of the stuff we’ve seen in the highlights that they’ve posted from the practices and all that. And like Noah said, Bassie was like, “I tried to buck him and I couldn’t.” That was a pretty funny answer from him just being here. I I’m definitely encouraged. Um now, and again, this is a first round pick. Um you know, someone that maybe people didn’t have on the radar when you’re, you know, jumping into second round picks, the expectations have to change a little bit. You’re looking to see if you can get anything out of these guys. I think of the two players that are more, you know, that that the Celtics picked in the second round, Amari Williams is a more intriguing option because he plays a position of need and there’s things that he does at a high level uh including his passing uh which people uh you know seem to like and I I know he threw one cross corner pass uh you know in this game uh to find somebody behind the three-point line and all in all Yeah, all in all he also looks like he’s a comfortable guy out there. He I didn’t see him really look shook or rattled or the game moving too fast. I just don’t know what his ceiling is. I don’t think it’s particularly high. But again, just give me your early impressions. I think there was quite a few things to like though. Your early impressions of what you got, what you liked out of Amari. So the the one thing I’ll say or I guess two things stand out. Him pushing in transition. You remember the Horford plays like that, John. You actually feel pretty good when he does it. He’s running super comfortable except for Horford who turns it over every time he dribbles. But yeah, Yeah, you didn’t like when he did that every time. Yeah, it’s the only critical mistake that he constantly like corp say he makes no mistake except for that. Like what is that? Should I dribble? I’m going to do it this time. I’m It’s going to be good this time and it’s always or a foul. Yeah. So, that was the number one thing that stood out. The number two, I just felt like he did something good with the ball every time he had it. And I said that to you at one point. No. I was like, I feel comfortable with him having the ball in his hand. So, that’s his NBA skill. I think you said that on your podcast. Noah that you want someone to have a skill that’s NBA level and that’s his is his ball control was passing. His initiation in the offense and when you look back at Kentucky and I know Jack Simone did a lot of like look at that. Um he was a pretty heavy facilitator in their offense like almost a primary facilitator for that team rather than their guard. So it’s a cool unique thing. I know um mentioned it to me Trayvon Williams a couple years ago. We got really excited about him for almost the exact same skill set. That guy was like 6’8 69. And this guy’s more of a sevenfooter. Um, so he’s got the size. He’s massive. His wingspan’s incredible. And I want to see how the other stuff rounds out. He had a couple blocks in this game that was great. He put the ball in the basket around the rim. This isn’t a postup team, so I don’t think a guy who’s going to back down and play the post is necessarily a great fit in the offense. But you can see we were at practice yesterday, Noah. They were doing a lot of screening stuff with him. They were trying to get him rolling downhill. And I think they’re trying to put him more in that position. So right now I look at him and say he’s probably going to have to spend some time in Maine. They’re going to have to mold his game to fit what they do offensively because right now I feel like he’s that traditional back down post up big and that’s not really how they play offense. I I’m not really worried about how they play offense. I’m looking for people that can do anything and everything. And it doesn’t you don’t have to play one way. But yeah, I mean, if he was, you know, a classic, if he was one of a if he’s a modern-day big who can stretch the floor and and hit jumpers and defend, he’s a first round draft pick. So, you get what you get at this point in the draft. Can he be useful? Can he be useful? Can he find his way into uh, you know, minutes? Can he can he can he be your third center? We’re in We need a third center. We need one. We need just one at this point. Yeah. And I think what Brad Stevens said earlier this week when we spoke to him and when I asked him about like is there what’s what are you thinking about the centers and he goes like we’ll see you know he said about Amari that there’s a high upside there like that was the thing that he said you know he kind of had his his thoughts in each of the each of the potential options. Um and what I saw today is I think a guy that needs more time like I I need more time to watch him first of all like I didn’t make any like grand impressions from watching him today. Like I think that there was there’s some moments where I was like he you can tell when he has the ball he’s looking to make the right play. I feel like if we didn’t see it play out the way that it probably would if I saw him you know by the end of summer league I think we’ll have more good moments like that. Um but I would anticipate like all it signs right now is that he’s not a guy that they’re going to throw in day one. Like I think he’s going to be more of a main guy to start. Um but you can tell he’s comfortable with the ball in his hand in a way that like the average back to the basket big isn’t like looking kind of across the court. So like the the passing skill set like how many assists did he have? I don’t think a lot. Uh, Williams, it’s not even on the thing. So, one assist. He had one one assist. One assist. The flashy one. But yeah. Yeah. So, I mean, I think with him, that’s a fun skill set. I love players who you don’t think would be passers who are, but then I’m like, okay, what does that mean? What does that contribute? It’s it’s a nice skill set. I love it. But you have to be able to do some other stuff here. And I’m interested to see how his game rounds out. That’s what they’ve said a lot of too right now. Matt, Matt and others have said, “We got to see him screen. We got to see him rebound. We got to see him defend.” I thought the defense was decent in this game. This was just a tough night for him because the guy behind him in the lineup stole the show at that position. So, he did some good stuff here, but then Bassie comes in and just blows you away. I mean, we can we get into him because this is Yeah. Yeah. If you want to do Bassie real quick, let’s get into Bassie because I think Bassiey’s the main course tonight. I I think there’s going to be three headlines off of tonight and we’ve only gotten to one. First, look at Ugo. I agree with Noah 100%. Amari is incomplete. I think Max Schulga is incomplete. People are trashing him a little bit in the chat. I, you know, I don’t think you saw enough to make to get any real impression. I love the first game reactions to Summerland. It’s, you know, uh, so it’s that. So, it’s Why are people Why are people trashing Maxog? What did he do wrong? I they thought he just looked tentative and overwhelmed and, you know, slow and not not ready for the moment. I thought he was fine. I thought he was fine. I thought you can’t He was fine. Uh but as I said, the three headlines are Ugo, Bassie, and Shyman for today. And we’re going to get to Bassie and Shyman uh in just a bit. But first off, we do want to tell you about our pals over at Prize Picks. And again, uh, make sure you check out Prize Picks, the number the number one daily fantasy sports app in North America. 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Play five, get 50 instantly when you subscribe today. All right, back to it and let’s go to Bassie. Let’s go to our boy Bassie here again. They’re talking about him. Did anybody know he was on the roster before the game began? Because the announcers didn’t. I didn’t know if you guys were tipped off. Who knew? And that’s the funniest part. We didn’t even think about that know that the announcers would be like, “Whoa, whoa, whoa. Who who is this guy?” They were like, “Wait a second.” And they’re like, “This happens sometimes and this and that, but uh this is a person who by all accounts should probably be somewhere uh and is not and is just kind of displaced. Um, and you know, you’re talking about someone, again, we’re not talking about a world beater, but someone who’s played, you know, some NBA games and some NBA minutes and is just a man without country right now. Uh, you know, most recently with the San Antonio Spurs and again, not playing much, about 10 minutes a game, uh, each of the last two seasons. It peaked at 14 minutes a game in the 2223. But again, 10 minutes a game on a bottom feeding team that’s in the lottery is you understand why someone like that might be looking for a home every year and that’s where he is now. But you’re talking about the Celtics and their position of need and boy do they need bigs and then this guy comes in here and just lights it up. Looks phenomenal. It’s hard to not be a little excited because you do need something here and and and you really don’t have a lot. Uh we also have uh before we get into the conversation, we’re going to hear on uh the coach uh Reynolds here talking about Bassie and his contributions in this game guys roster. We came in and gave you a double double. What was the process of getting him here? Yeah. So, so we uh found out he was going to join the team uh shortly before we got started uh with day one and you know he did not participate in the live portion of day one. Uh but he came in day two again as we talked about earlier you know terminology and concepts. He was behind in that regard, but it was just clear that, you know, that guy can make an impact in a game and you saw that throughout the course of the game today and uh you I think he was huge for us. And there it is. They didn’t even know and there he is and he plays. Your thoughts, guys? So, I’m familiar with him. I remember watching him with Philly a little bit with San Antonio who had him on a two-way. Always liked what he did in limited minutes. I didn’t know how hurt he was the last couple years here. It looks like he tore his patellar tendon in 2023 which ended that year and then he tore his ACL early the next year. So the two of the previous three seasons were pretty injury riddled on his part. So maybe that’s a reason he’s floating around a little bit here cuz he was on the Sixers when they had opportunities with Embiid down and you know some other injuries and stuff to play some other centers and he would give them a little something in those minutes. The rebounding numbers, you know, I love the per 36, John, but the raw rebounding numbers for him across all his NBA seasons right now, as you saw right there, pretty good. Like four or five a game in 11 minutes, which is like 13 per 36. Uh, and he obviously showed with 11 here in extended run, not even extended run, 18 minutes, 11 rebounds is ridiculous. Uh, so that was what impressed me most. Super active on the boards, particularly the offensive glass, which is a skill set they love. And his defensive activity was excellent. We were sitting right in front of the basket for a lot of that first half when he was playing a bunch of his minutes and he just kept altering shots, kept being in the right position. A couple physical plays inside. Um went down on his knee hard at one point, Noah pointed out, and kept playing through it and looked pretty good the rest of the game. So, I’m excited about this guy. I don’t know what happened here cuz we were at practice the other day and I saw him on the floor and was like, “Who is that?” And we never really circle back to it. And then this um you know before this game, Jack was like, “That’s Charles Bassie.” And people were asking me over the last couple games about Bassie. I was like, “What are people talking about Bassie for?” And guess it’s cuz he was actually on the team and they saw him and they never announced that they signed him. So a pretty weird way for him to join this team, especially for a guy who is an NBA player. And that’s what stood out to me in this game though is that some guys look like they belong in summer league, some guys look like they don’t belong in summer league. And there’s a guy who looked like he didn’t belong in summer league. He was pretty level above everybody else out there. And it makes sense because he was drafted in 2021. And that’s the, you know, it’s a massive difference between some of the guys that are in their first or second experience here. And as I was watching him play, I was like, sign him right now because somebody’s going to sign him by the end of the day. And I think the catch, if there is a catch with him, is the injury history, as you mentioned. Like you can literally just Google Charles Bassie injury and you can read a lot of articles about a lot of things that have happened to him over the last few years, especially knee injuries. And that’s the catch. I would imagine that’s probably why he doesn’t have a spot right now because that is a tough thing to battle, you know, being a big that is prone to injuries. And I I don’t I don’t know a lot about him, so I don’t know if he has something that is ongoing or if he’s just had a lot of bad luck. But just looking at his games play total and talking briefly to some Spurs reporters that covered him last year, like that seems to be the question mark. So clearly from a skill standpoint, he’s above a lot of the other bigs that you’re seeing here. I mean, he clearly looks a lot more ready than Amari Williams does right now, which makes sense. It’s Amari Williams first taste of the NBA right now. Um, so I think I would imagine the injury question is something that needs to be kind of explored to see if there’s a spot for him here or elsewhere, if that’s been a reservation for him from other teams. Well, I’ll ask you guys. Let’s let’s let’s let’s let’s do what we do best and overreact to things like okay with this stuff. You might say, “All right, let’s see how he is next game. Let’s see how this goes. Let’s weigh our options. Let’s let’s get another look.” There’s always risk involved with that. Because someone else might be like, “No, I like this guy. Sign him. Done.” And it’s over. You know, these people can be snatched up and grabbed by anyone at any point in time. It’s just a matter of I’m going to offer you a contract. The Celtics don’t have two-way contracts, right? If you’re going to bring a Charles Bassie on here, you got to move somebody or you can interchange those. Yeah, I don’t know if he’s eligible for a two-way. I got to double check that. Or you got to sign him out, right? So, again, what is the path here? Are you at a point where you can say, I’m I want to sign this guy and what can you sign him for at this point? How do you even get him on the team without doing something else here? Even if he did find something that you like, it it it you know, the Celtics right now after you made the Garza move and you know, you’ve you’ve put yourself back and and and and Minot here, you put yourself back over the second apron by just a hair. So, you can’t just it’s not just moving stuff around. You got to, you know, you got to spend a little bit to to to add him here and possibly give him either drop a two-way guy completely and see if you offer him a two-way if he’s if he’s if he’s eligible or just sign him outright. So, is it even realistic? Is it even realistic that he he could stick around? I I agree with Noah. You sign him out, right? And you can have 21 players during season. Yeah, I do it for sure. And especially because he played NBA minutes. Um I didn’t know much about him three hours ago, so I don’t want to jump the gun on him because of a good performance, but I liked what I saw. And they and that’s a position they they need to bolster their front court. Like even even like JD right now, he’s on a ng guaranteed contract for next season. If you look at what they have going in the back court versus the front court, I think the front court is what they need to progress right now. So the the chat’s saying we have two ways open. Both the second round picks are two ways. They haven’t been officially signed yet. But Right. Right. Right. They haven’t officially signed yet. So I think it’s been reported. It’s been reported. Yes. Yeah. I just want to clarify because people are saying they have two open. They do, but you’re not going to draft two guys in the second round. And you would typically promise that. Yeah. Drop them outright. Most likely those are going to those two guys. uh, you know, so it’s not done. He can interchange those very easily at any time, though. I don’t think he’s eligible for a two-way. He’s been in the league for four years at this point. Okay, got it. So, but as Bobby mentioned, you can have more than 15 players on your regular season roster in the offseason. Um, so there is some flexibility to as far as time to just figure out what they need to do um or what they want to do. But I don’t know if he came here because his agent, they’re doing him a favor and he actually is a trying guy for somewhere else. Like there’s a lot of backstory here that we haven’t been able to put together the reporting on the fly because again we didn’t know he was going to be on this team up until a couple hours ago. Um but I think certainly like we’ve talked at length about how the front court is a massive open question. So to me, even if there are some questions around him and around his, you know, durability and knee injuries, like this is the year where it’s worth taking that risk and it’s worth and I know he had some good moments when WBY went down last year just from briefly talking to some Spurs reporters that like he did really kind of establish himself there. So he’s largely viewed by people as a as a as an NBA player, as an NBA big and you saw that. And the question is whether the there’s some longer term plans here in Boston or not and I don’t think we were able to gauge that yet. Uh, now I know people are putting it in the chat here. It’s very possible I called him Brandon Bassie. Um, or someone else the evolution. I I will I’ll tell you this right now. Whether I said it now that it’s in my head, I’m going to call him Brandon Bassie up until he’s no longer a thing. Charles parallels here. Kevin Jelly. Uh, but so again, it’s interesting, but I wonder how quickly you have to move on something like this. you know, this might be the kind like is it possible the Celtics go huddle up in their office and be like, “Let’s let’s let’s just let’s do this thing. Let’s let’s sign this dude.” It’s interesting because we um you know, I’m trying to put this together in my head on the tax stuff and Noah and I were talking about this earlier because I ran to Bobby Marks um today and you know, it’s just he’s the cap guy, right? Like he knows front offices, he knows how the league works, he knows all that stuff. So, I’m asking him, I’m like, “Is it the tax or is it the second apron?” And he thinks it’s the second apron. And I think he’s been saying that too, like that teams are terrified of the restrictions. And that’s not how I feel. I don’t think that’s how Noah feels necessarily, but if that is how the Celtics feel, and I think he’s pretty connected to front offices around the league, they don’t have to worry about the tax too much here. And that is what I’m thinking with a move like this, right? Because they have 15 players. Noah mentioned it. JD is non-g guaranteed. So they have 14 effectively. If you sign a 15th guy to a guarantee, even at the minimum, you’re committing to this payroll unless you can start shutting it down in some other ways. So I think that’s still the question we have to ask with this roster is like, are they going to pay 40, 50, 60? Right now it’s 80 million in tax. And if you do have 15 guys that their salaries right now, it’s 86 million tax, which isn’t a massive amount compared to what they were entering this off season with. Um, but we’ve seen Noah them not have 15 players throughout the course of a year because it’s the less tax hit and sign guys on the last day of the year because it’s the cheapest way to have a full roster at the end of the year. So, that’s stuff that they do. Um, if they signed a guy like this, they’d be committing to 15 guaranteed salaries throughout the year. So, that’s the thing. Someone else has to know, right? That’s that’s if Davidson also is one of them, Bobby. Well, you can wave Davidson and bring this guy in and then you have 15 guaranteed salaries. Right now, they have 14 and Davidson’s completely non-g guaranteed. So, you have 14 players effectively right now. Yeah. And there’s some partial guarantees, too. Kada’s partial guarantee. Walsh, who we should talk a little bit about later, has a 200,000 guarantee. Um, so there’s a couple they have a little flexibility here, but how do you feel about that, Noah, in terms of like the tax where they’re at roster-wise? JD, he’s not even here. So, I think that says a lot. Where you at on where the roster is going to be going forward this off season? Yeah, as I mentioned before, like I do think there’s more moves coming, but it it’s interesting to me like I’ll defer to Bobby Marks on this one. Like he’s the salary cap guy who was a, you know, front in the front office, not me. So, it’s just interesting because when you as a as a lameman person, as a media member, like just looking at the restrictions, they don’t seem as stifling as the way that people in front offices clearly view them. And Brad kind of hinted at that on draft night when he said, you know, it’s almost when you’re actually in that spot and you’re actually you almost realize like even more than he even expected, even though obviously he was intimately familiar with them. So, I’m willing to be convinced that the second apron is actually as debilitating as the Celtics front office is is making it sound. I definitely I would love to have uh you know, people explain that further because it still just is not intuitive to me. Um, but as far as JD goes, like he hasn’t been around to my knowledge around the Celtics. he is on a fully non-G guaranteed deal. Um, I would imagine if an opportunity emerges elsewhere, like he probably goes elsewhere. So, I don’t I don’t know that he I haven’t gotten the sense that like there’s a there’s a lot going on there as far as his long-term future in Boston. Maybe I’m wrong. You guys know like he’s somebody I’ve enjoyed rooting for and has had a lot of success obviously that at the G-League level, but I I think that he’s somebody that they would give up if they needed to sign somebody else and if they were really on this guy, I think that they would do that. Whoa, we had a hard hat at the game, John. I know. I’ll put that I’ll put that up there in a minute with a couple of other super chats. Um, no, I did want to piggyback on what you said there because I’m with you. Uh, I I’ve thought it from the get-go and I’ll continue to think it. Um, and I don’t care what people say because I believe that this isn’t this isn’t rise to the level of collusion, but I do believe that they the owners in unison and and the league in general, you know, and, you know, and probably their their desire to push eventually to a hard cap are going to keep singing the same song to anyone who will listen. So, the more they say it, the more people will believe it. But I don’t believe it because we can see what we can see. And so, you don’t you don’t buy the Second Apron stuff? No, no, no. I I don’t buy it because we we also have eyes. I just think they’re going to keep saying it because no because it it gives them cover and no owner wants to say um that look I think it’s not here’s the explanation. I think it’s not I think it’s not great. But also what’s the difference between having a pick frozen and trading it outright for a for a superstar? That’s the same thing kind of team. Well, what I’m saying is it’s the same thing as signing your own superstars when you’re when you’re OKC. If you’re going to do three, you know, three rookie max extensions on one team, you’ve got an expensive team. Yeah, maybe eventually you’re going to be over that second a you’re going to get over that second apron, but if you’re winning title after title, who gives a crap? Or if you were going to trade future first round picks for a player of Cadet Homegrren’s level and pay him what you’re going to pay him, then that pick is gone anyway. Who cares if it’s frozen? It makes no sense to me. You’re willing to trade them for whatever to make your team good. I’d be willing to freeze it to be able to sign the players that I want to have on my team, provided I’m okay paying them what I’m going to have to pay them. So, I find it silly. And when you don’t the stacking salaries, I don’t need to stack salaries in a trade. I’ve built a super team. I just have to pay them. So, I again I don’t care how you they can shout it from a mountain top. They’re never going to convince me that that’s the number one thing. Yeah, that’s how I feel too, John. I just I can be convinced, but I feel the same way as you. I don’t really Well, I need someone to explain it better. Well, here’s the thing. If you’re going to be a nickel over it, it it’s not worth it. If you’re going to go flying over because you know you’ve got a monster team, then it probably is because you don’t need to worry about that stuff as much as others. I understand why someone would not want to just just barely cross it because at that point the penalties might not be worth just barely tripping over. So staying under is fine, but if you’re going to go flying past it like the Celtics did because you know your team is awesome or like the Thunder are going to, you’ll live with you’ll live with the penalties. But yeah, here’s here’s the explanation I got and I was fully with both of you from the moment we learned about these penalties in terms of not thinking they’re that serious. I think the thinking is you had teams before this, Golden State, Clippers, teams like that that were heavy and aggressive taxpayers didn’t care about the tax. the teams that didn’t care would fly over that. What’s 80 million, 100 million, 200 million? If you can pay it, there’s no deterrent there. And if you’re an owner that can afford it, there’s no deterrent there. The deterrent with the second apron is if you go too far over it with moves that you can’t reverse easily, then you’re stuck. Like guys you can’t get off, guys you can’t move, if there’s less money and destinations for money to move around the league, then you’re stuck in terms of how you can adjust this roster. And when we’re looking at from the Celtics perspective, I was in favor of keeping Porzingis. What if Porzingis is I know he’s an expiring contract, so he’s not the best example there, but with Drew, let’s say you keep Drew, his game tails off completely this year. There’s still two years left at 30 million, and you’re 30 million over the second apron and can’t do much. That’s where it gets prohibitive. So, I think that’s what scares teams away is if you are in positions where you’re far over that line and guys might not be super valuable. That’s fine. That’s where you have to get under. If you’re That was a good explanation. I I hear you. No, I I understand. If you’re And like you said, John, if you’re contending for championships and you’re a super team and everything’s great, it doesn’t scare you as much. And the Cavs are an example of a team that doesn’t care about it right now because they think they’re in prime championship position. The Celtics aren’t anymore, so they need the flexibility. wouldn’t go anywhere near it. If I if I were Celtics owners right now, you everyone would hate me because I’d be like, “Get all the way under. We’re losers right now.” Like, let’s say the second apron’s like 80 million of tax, which is where the Celtics are, right? As a repeater, it’s probably like 60 with no repeater. It’s a deterrent to spend over 100 million in tax, too, right? Like that aligns. Those two things go hand in hand. This whole thing is a mess. I I think it’s illconceived and it’s just counterintuitive right now. I you know the NBA really has to rethink things. It’s not just I do believe a lot of this stuff is trying to push towards a hard cap, but just the way everything is constructed right now. You see the money being thrown around. And again, we’re getting off topic. We’ll get back to the summer league stuff because we still have things to talk about. I just wanted to get this off my chest. You see the Devin Booker deal going at 72 million. Very soon there’s going to be $80 million deals. People are going to be getting basically $1 million. There’s going to be a hundred million dollar deals. Yeah. To play to play in the NBA. All of this stuff. This this plus the games minimum threshold is so stupid. You’re putting a threshold on people to be eligible for these types of awards to be able to gain supermax contracts. And if they don’t, then the people who do make these second and third teams are going to be even lower caliber players. Now, so many teams are going to have no choice but to throw super max deals at unworthy people because they snuck in your Julius Randles, your whatever. They snuck into a third team allNBA because they made the 65game threshold when other better players didn’t. And then every team’s going to have this problem with all of these guys that they have no choice but to pay. Every You’re telling me Chad and Jaylen Williams and every other person who becomes eligible and I like both those guys a lot. every guy who becomes eligible for a rookie extension gets the rookie max extension across the board. All of this stuff is just so dumb the way it’s structured right now. You’re just forcing teams to pay people because they have no other option. Then you’re penalizing them for having to pay them. I I it’s it’s insane the way that it’s set up right now. But again, it’s not it’s not what we’re If you had a comment there, Noah, go ahead. Sorry. No, I was just going to say I think Oklahoma City’s hope is that by the time those supermax extensions all kick in, there’s a new CBA because I don’t think a lot of people are thrilled with the current one. So, they might actually end up getting by with the situation that’s currently all happening. But, I think you’re right. I’m I’m with you on this, John. I think this is a place where we can find some uh some commonality on this on the second apron being a little No. Yeah, exactly. And Noah, stop pretending you and I don’t agree about a bunch of stuff because we do. Everybody knows it. The secret is out. Sorry about that. You don’t you don’t we don’t have to pretend we’re opposed on everything. Uh well, we’ll get into this. Jordan Walsh, we might be opposed on that. I want to get into Jordan Walsh. He had a really I think we’re going to be on the same page. Well, he had a really good game, but he’s also Let’s He has to be It has to be graded on a curve here. He has to be judged to a different standard because he’s a thirdyear player and he’s in here. Granted, he didn’t look good to start summer league last year and everybody freaked out a little bit. We’re going to have a similar freak out over Baylor Shyman here in a minute. Um, but the Jordan Walsh, you want to see this stuff. Um, you want to see him be more confident. But I also at this point I really do believe if you’re a player with Jordan Walsh’s skill set and the type of player that he needs to be to earn NBA minutes, he should be able to if not dominate, but really really really be able to assert his will a little bit more on this level of competition. And I thought he did fine, but I thought he was working for it still a little bit uh too much. Um I want to see him just be able to just he I mean look, he can jump. He’s athletic. I want to see him be able to create more separation, get to his spots, get his shots off, create in a better way. I I liked it, but I’m still there’s something I’m missing. Something’s missing, and I can’t quite put my finger on it from for from from Jordan or what I what I’m hoping to see from him. And maybe it’s just not there, but it was good, but I I want a little more. Am I Am I Am I wrong? Yeah, I was pleasantly surprised by what we saw because I think we’ve seen a lot of rushed, frenetic basketball from him over the last couple years. And I know he’s young and I know he’s young. He’s still young even though he’s in his third year. There’s a lot of dudes older than him out there. I I know that, too. And I’m I’m taking that in consideration. So, we had him on the show a couple weeks ago and, you know, we’re used to the loose, funny, goofy guy. like he’s got a great personality, but you know, in contrast to the Ugo stuff we were saying earlier in terms of the professional, you know, experience. He was the opposite where he was pretty much a high schooler coming in and he was wideeyed and, you know, saying, “Oh, I want to be like Brown and Tatum. I want to play next to those guys.” And just like has these big expectations of what he was going to do. And I think he got far ahead of himself probably mentally and with the way he approached summer league last year in particular. And his preseason was good. That actually made me think he might have been able to get involved early on last year. It just didn’t work out that way. I still have hope for him. I liked him when they drafted him. I think he’s so long. I think he’s so active defensively when he’s poised and disciplined on that end. Offensively, again, I think it’s a guy who you have to find a role for. And he looks good in these environments where you can be super involved. And I thought he slowed his game down, Noah. I thought he made good plays even in the, you know, pocket. if he got stuck in there, he’d make a nice dump off pass to a guy. So, he played slower and in control. You know, the game slowed down for him, I would say, today. Um, but and I do want to clarify real quick. I And I do want to clarify, uh, his his role is not going to be to be Jaylen Brown or Jason Tatum and create his own offense. He’s going to be a 3 and D guy in the NBA, and I think that’s his only path. But, I’m just saying when you’re looking at him, are you looking at a guy you think can earn 25 and D guy? Are are you looking at a guy who can earn 25 minutes a game? Because that’s that’s that’s what he might have to be this year. And so when I’m looking at that, I’m looking at like, can this can this be on the court for for this team this year for 20 plus minutes a game? Noah, I think that he has a pathway and a lot of it is going to come down to the three-point shooting because when he hits his threes, he looks like a very serviceable guy. Yeah. And if he can’t shoot, then we’re talking about like what is he really bringing on on the floor, right? He’s in that weird middle ground that I think a couple of the guys in the roster are going to find themselves in where a lot is going to hinge on whether or not they can be a 37% three-point shooter. Oh my god, you’re saying what I don’t want to hear. Noah, I don’t believe in his threes. That’s what he has to. It’s not It’s not me. It’s not Joe. It’s It’s kind of like the nature of it. Like it’s really hard to be a guy who’s not exceptional at something else and you don’t shoot threes. like you you kind of have I’m not saying he has to be elite but he has to he he you know guys have to respect his shot and I think the jury is still out and that’s a killer with him. Why did he wait a couple months ago? Why did he catch that one uh you know uh you know above the break there and and pause and wait? Why did a dribble dribble? I hate that dribble but he made it right. He made it after that. Yeah, that’s what Tatum does when he get when he’s not feeling his shot you know and the and the reset dribble. No, that again minor thing it and he and he made it but why? Yeah, I had the same thought John and this is you see where we’re break and everything. No, I think the other thing I was going to say so I watched a lot of Jordan Walsh in the G-League over the last few years and tonight’s today’s game was very reminiscent of some of his strong G-League showings or like kind of average G-League showings where he’s just a roll guy. You’re not really watching him a whole lot but he’s hitting his open threes. He has a few nice dunks in transition. He’s solid. He’s, you know, making some good decisions physically. He can hang out. You know, he’s not a liability in any sense, but he’s not, you know, you’re not really thinking about him dominating the game. And then you look at the box score and you’re like, okay, he’s putting together a pretty solid performance. Very I’ve seen this game from him dozens of times. Last summer league was actually more of an aberration from what he normally is than anything else. So, if you just It was so much worse. Yeah. No, but I’m saying that it was not representative of how his rookie season was in the G- League. It was not representative of really anything else. It was just a couple of week period where he came in and he told us on the record, I’m going to, you know, this is my chance to show what I got. And that is the worst way that anybody can perform in summer league because you’re still playing against great players. You’re still seeing a lot of athleticism and speed and physicality and everybody’s putting it out there on the line because your career is literally on the line for a lot of these guys. And so to come in and try to dominate is a recipe for disaster for almost everybody. And I don’t I don’t want to say that that’s what Baylor Shyman did because I do think Baylor missed some easy ones. But I do I think that if you we didn’t get to talk to Bailey Arthur today, but I would imagine he felt like, hey, I’m a guy that should if there’s somebody that shouldn’t be here, it’s me. Like I’m gradu I’m almost ready to graduate out of summer league. I don’t, you know, obviously he’s only a second year, but he’s 24 years old. He had some good moments in the regular season, more moments than anybody else in this roster, right? Everybody else here is not here. So I think you saw a little bit of that like, you know, Baylor was a little bit forcing the issue. So I don’t know, maybe he just had a bad shooting game. hard to tell, but that that’s the where Jordan went wrong last year was just trying to like kind of show what he can do. Um I thought you saw a little bit of that from Baylor and I I think Baylor is gonna be great next year. I’m not at all react overreacting to this, but it was a little bit of a a little bit of a mindset thing like I think he just tried. Yeah. And and the Baylor thing is the type of thing and again I I think this is where we’ll kind of move on to next. Um is uh and again can he pick a haircut and just stick with it? He he looks like a different dude every single time I see him. Really? I haven’t even noticed that he changes hair. Uh I don’t know. I I’m like, is that him? Yep, that’s him. Every time I see him, I feel like I have to like do a double take. Anyway, um again, Baylor, all of these guys, Baylor, Jordan, Friends of the Garden Report, we’re happy. Uh we we we we we, you know, we root for their success. And again, not just because, you know, we’re invested in the team and because they, you know, were nice enough to come on the show, but the Celtics need it. They need it at this point. They need something to happen and they need unexpected contributions from somewhere or they need someone to take a leap that either they could take or you don’t expect them to. And I think Baylor is the one because of his varied offensive skill set and because of the fact that he’s a really good playmaker and has good court vision, you kind of wonder, hey, if he puts it together, could this guy be something? And he looked awful. And again, maybe it was just simply trying to trying to be that guy and press the issue and the shot was flat and didn’t look great. Again, this is a guy you want to see at this level. As you said, Noah, if you’re if you’re good enough to graduate from summer league, as Jordan Walsh should be or should feel that he is able to in in year three, you know, Walsh is still young. Shyman’s going to be 25, right? You know, this year or if he’s not already, he probably shouldn’t be here either. He should be, hey, I earned some minutes last year. I’m ready to go. I’m a rotation guy this year. Um, this one hurts a little bit, but I’m not going to read that much into it. Yeah, he’s another guy. It’s like, what’s his role going to be? Cuz everyone keeps comparing him to Hower, and it drives me crazy cuz I don’t think he’s not. He’s a totally different guy. Yeah, he’s a guy that needs rhythm, dribbles, and a nice play later in this game where he came around a screen and tossed an alioop to Bassie. I love his passing. I still think that’s his best attribute. So, I like the opportunity for him to play point guard in this summer league. His ability to create his own shot is the question because does he create the kind of separation that’s going to make him a consistent shooter? I said this to Noah during the game. I feel like he shoots differently almost every time sometimes. I know he said going into the summer, I think he said it on the garden report here that he was working on positioning his hips a more consistent way when he does pull up. It looks like sometimes he’s just a little off in his form when he’s shooting here and that probably leads to some inconsistency. So, he’s a great shooter. He he showed it in college and late last year. But the way that he plays, I don’t think lends itself to creating consistently efficient looks for himself. And I think leaning into his passing is a good thing. Now, you obviously have to be a threat yourself to create passes for others. I think that’s what I’m going to be focusing on mostly rest of the way. And especially when it comes to his fit on the roster. Yeah, because his shots gonna be his key to the minutes, to the productivity on the Celtics roster. For sure. Yeah, he’s gota that’s the key because the other stuff, you know what he can do, you know what he can’t do. But that shot, he’s got to figure out what it is because it does look different for me sometimes. Um, and he shoots from so far sometimes, too. Yeah, I don’t know. Noah, Noah, you’re clearly not worried. Not worried. Did Noah freeze? Am I back? Yeah, you’re good. You’re good. Okay. Yeah. No, I’m not worried because again, I really don’t want I know I know it’s part of our job and it’s part of the fun of summer league is to overreact to these small stints, but I really don’t I I really don’t think that a lot of what we saw from him today has been a longstanding issues like that that kind of I don’t know how to describe it. like that kind of, you know, that weird like mid-range kind of almost floater step back shot that he he did like he took like four of them. I I never really seen him go for that move and he’s clearly working on something that he was trying to be aggressive. He was trying to score the ball. Um I would be surprised if he doesn’t respond really well when he plays again on Sunday. Like I think he’s going to adjust a little bit and and not press the issue. And it’s human nature to be the guy that you’ve been at summer league before. You had a good showing the first time around. You want to be twice as good as you were last summer league. And that’s just it’s just not sustainable because you’re not playing like Yeah. Someone here said no floor spacing in summer league. Like it it’s this is not an easy environment to dominate depending on sloppy mess. Yeah. Yeah. And he Baylor was awesome in the G-League last year. He consistently played awesome. He was great offensively. He did not force the issue. Look, I saw a big sample sizes. He was really good in March, right? And I know it’s March NBA. It’s not the perfect space. So, I just don’t want to freak out about it one bad game. Um and but to me, it did remind me a little bit. Not exactly, but a little bit of Jordan last summer league where it’s like you could tell that he came in wanting to prove a point and instead you get the reverse. So I think he’ll course correct. I don’t think he’ll need five games the way the Jordan like I think only his last game last year he finally put it together but the first like four he really struggled. So again we can reevaluate this in a couple days. I know there’s still the going question of like what is his skill set? Like what is the thing that’s going to bring him on the floor? And that’s I I’m not 100% sure like what it is. I think it’s a little bit of that allaround game. the play making, the passing, the rebounding has spit out to me. Um, but these guys are gonna need to figure out how to score, right? Like you can’t have your your wings and the relation. That’s the problem is you can’t have lineups out there with three and four guys that can’t score. And also, it’s not like Baylor’s calling card is defense. So, he absolutely has to find a way to score to make plays from others. And I’m putting this up here not because I agree with it, not because I’m trying to troll or be negative, but the range of outcomes for Baylor Shyman is not an NBA player is in play. An NBA contributor or maybe even like borderline starter is also in play. There’s a wide range. They hasn’t proved it. There’s a wide range of outcomes. I know we’re bullish because really there’s nothing else to grab on to right now. If you’re a Celtics fan, they haven’t had a first round pick in years before they drafted him. you know, you have him uh and then you have Ugo this year. Uh so you finally do have some first round picks, but very low first round picks. So these don’t always pan out. So again, there’s a wide range of outcomes of what happens here. Everyone’s hoping for a year two leap. It may not be there. And it may just simply be because he’s not that guy and will never be that guy. And it stinks if that’s the case because we all want to see it because there’s, you know, I find interesting with him, there’s enough stuff about his game that you’re like, the guy can play. because he’s a star. Like he’s been a star, but can he do it here and can he do it at this level? You know what sticks out to me know with him is he’s been the star in his teams his whole life, right? South Dakota State, so he’s playing at a lower level. He’s the guy there in Kraton. He’s the guy on this, you know, higher level team with some good players that went to March Madness and all that. But, you know, even back to his high school days, biggest, you know, star from his city ever by far. He’s been the star on all the teams he’s played for. And the the way he plays is like a star, right? Ball in his hands, creating his own shot, taking tough shots to I almost wonder if he has to refine his game a little bit to consolidate it, to make it a little more narrow to fit into a role on this roster. And it’s good that he can do those things, right? Because they’re going to need some more ball handlers this year. They’re going to need more guys who can create their own shot and create shots for others. So that’s why I’m pretty confident in him fitting into a role this year. But is that the best role for him on an NBA team, on a team where there are better players than him? It’s a question. And I’m not going to diminish his ability to do a lot of the different things that we’ve seen him do at different points in his career. But yeah, you always come down to that question, right? We say it every year. Everybody in the draft’s the star and all the teams they’ve been on in their lives. And now, are you that player on your NBA team? And even on this team that’s lost a lot of talent and you know, Tatum’s down and all that. I still don’t think he’s a guy who’s gonna be running sets, who’s going to be playing pick and rolls, who’s going to be doing all the stuff that he’s done throughout his life. So, consolidating his game a little bit, making it a little more narrow. Like, we’ve talked even in Maine, though, you’ve seen him a lot in Maine. You know, what did this guy look like? What kind of role was he playing? What what worked for him up there? Because I think that’s what he has to get to with the Boston Celtics. No frozen. No. Can you not unmute? I can’t. It’s okay. She can’t unmute. That’s weird. All right. No, when you figure it out, we can jump in there um on the Baylor stuff and we can always circle back. How do you feel about that, John? Is that the issue potentially with him because that’s like the theory I’m starting to develop is like he’s been a star and done everything on I mean so many so many of these guys. Max Max Schulga’s a star, you know, like I mean it’s again, you know, like this is a guy who’s you know, you know, conference player of the year. all of these guys. So many of these guys. Oh, but I’m saying his role ball in your hands attire. That’s a lot. That’s a lot of people, you know, who get drafted, you know, the these, you know, these good college players who get, you know, who are a little bit older who get drafted later. And it usually has to do with their, you know, kind of limited athletic ceiling and and and can they be a star at that level? And the answer is oftentimes no. They have to have a little special something. Shyman shows flashes of it, which is why I think we have some hope. But uh Noah, you mute you unmuted yourself. muted yourself again. Okay, good. Well, because I have to say I’m muted if Bobby’s talking, but I don’t know why this keeps happening. I apologize. It’s all good. But I think again, I don’t want to be a broken record, but Shyman is again one of those guys where if he can become a 40% threepoint shooter, which I think is in play based on the shooting that he came in with, then that that’s what it is. He’s a 40% shooter, a lot more versatile than a lot of other guys that are straight up catch and shoot threes. Like, there are things that he can do that Sam Hower can’t do. Um, but Sam Hower, obviously, the three-point shot is not a question. and it’s as much of a sure thing as any role player in the NBA. So that’s why like you have a few of these guys, there’s almost no chance they’re all going to pan out. Like Jordan, Ugo, Baylor, I don’t see a world where all three of those guys become rotation players. It’s just unless you get really lucky. And I I hope I root for all of them individually. So that would be awesome. But it’s a question of just who can who can find it. And Baylor has an advantage in the shooting department based on what we’ve seen already. Um and obviously his college numbers like that is who he has been. Um I think Ugo already seems to have a defensive advantage. Is that is that dramatic to say that Ugo seems to have the defensive edge from the three? No, because again it’s you know when I know Bob Bobby was using the term gadget player. I’ve said this all along. Your bench players you Bobby and I have had this kind of debate on and off for years when we’re talking about whether the SIS can sign a guy and they’re like well he can’t defend or he can’t do that. I’m like if they could do all of these things they’d be making $ 35 to$50 million and be starting. Like what I want out of bench players is not somebody I I don’t I I would rather I don’t want the jack of all trades, master of none who does everything that the starters can do but worse across the board. I I sometimes want the elite skill set. I will take a person who just shoots the lights out like a Sam Hower or I will take someone who’s an absolute defensive menace. But Hower became a defensive player. You got to round out your game to some degree. Hower Hower became serviceable and that’s like a lot of other people. In order to stay on the court, you have to be able to defend your position at least at a serviceable level so you’re not picked on every time down the floor. You have to be able to make free throws and you got to be able to shoot the ball, you know, like otherwise you’re going to get played off the floor or you’re just not going to be able to stick for long because eventually the thing that you can’t do is going to be the only thing that sticks out and what you can do isn’t going to matter so much. So for these guys, these bench guys who are coming in here and who are offensiveminded players like Baylor Shyman and his calling card is offense, Noah’s 100% right. He doesn’t knock down his shots at a at a at a at a really solid clip. All of a sudden, all of the things he does aren’t nearly as valuable because he’s just a worse player than the guys who, you know, play the majority of minutes, but you got no choice but to play them a bunch. So, um, we’ve been going an hour plus on a summer league game. I know Bobby and Noah have other work to do, but possibly one of the most interesting and polarizing uh aspects of this game was the play of Kenneth Loftton Jr. The Chinese the the Shanghai sensation tore up the CBA last year. 25 points a game, 12 rebounds. Comes in here and man, I’ve never seen so many people react in so many different ways to something that isn’t going to matter at all in a week to Celtics fans. But you went from a range of I can’t watch this guy to we should sign this guy outright and let’s sign this guy and cut Tilman. But holy crap uh you know give me a give me your snapshot reaction to to Kenneth Loftton tonight. So the thing with Kenneth Loftton is that he is a scorer. He has shown that he can score in the NBA. It’s the other stuff that is more of a question. I think defensively in particular, he’s 6’5 and he’s a post player. Like that’s kind of unheard of to try to make it in the NBA with that. So, he stuck around a bit. He had like a I think a 42-point game towards the end of the season that everybody remembers. And then he was the MVP in China last year. Obviously, a very different league. Um, but to me, I just didn’t really see like he was just doing something so different from what everybody else was doing that it was almost like a little bit of a distraction. Like I was like, let’s keep doing like the thing with the players that are actually going to be on the roster next year. And then it’s like the the the Kenneth Loftton dumpd downs. Like I was just like I guess it’s for him. Like he’s showcasing his skills and um I don’t see a pathway for him in Boston at all. I would be really shocked if he is somebody that plays for the main Celtics or plays in Boston ultimately or is buying for a 2-way. Like that’s not the sense that I get. Um but hey, you fill your roster with guys and you got to give them opportunities and he, you know, he tried to make the most of his, but the things that he’s advertised as being as a pure score, he really wasn’t able to do tonight. I think he got a little unlucky. He was super frustrated. We had a good advantage of him and some of his misses. But it was funny because going through it was like the most polar views. People were like I was like we’re watching two different guys. It was really funny to watch. It’s like but Kenneth Loftton and players of his ilk are are are what kill me about summer league. It makes it so hard to watch because I don’t want him touching the ball. I don’t want him scoring. I don’t want him doing well. I don’t want him eating minutes. I don’t want him being a black hole getting the ball and never giving it back. I want to see the guys who might actually make an impact on the roster this year or in years to come to do stuff because I want to see what they can do. Every single time the ball goes into a player like that, I’m like, “Oh my god.” Because you get so many of these summer league warriors who it’s like, “This is my only they’re auditioning. It’s my only shot.” It’s so not fun to watch. God bless them. That’s what they got to do. They’re trying to get paid and and but oh my god, we’re here to see three guys, four guys, and anytime anybody else does anything, it’s like click. So, it is it was tough because he was really involved in the action tonight. Yeah. And point a lot, which is interesting. And you know, I think uh you know, Matt got asked about yesterday. You got your players who are on the roster that you’re trying to develop and get some touches and reps for and then you got other invite guys who you do want to get opportunities but are probably secondary to that. And his involvement, the amount of minutes he played in this game, the amount of ball time he had and shots certainly here too. I mean they they gave those to him, right? So they either want to get a look at him and see what he looked like and give him that opportunity to prove himself or maybe they do believe in him actually going to training camp or something. And you know, I think there are certain guys on these rosters sometimes who you think, all right, you know, this guy has a pathway to training camp at the very least. And you know, that’s part of your picture potentially, but yeah, as far as the active roster goes and to start this year, it doesn’t look like a guy who fits what they’re trying to do at any position really. So, you’re going to have fun watching him here. I’m sure he’s going to have a big game with the amount of usage he had here if they do that again. Oh my god. Please no. Let’s let Yeah, go ahead. No, I was excited. I was excited he was on the roster because he’s such a skilled post player and like I me we and Bob were talking about this during the game but like I I always root for undersized players because it sucks that the NBA is a game that you have to be seven foot tall to be a big like it’s just a bummer because there’s like there’s guys that have the skill set and it’s just not the league for them and those are the guys that go overseas and we never get to see them play. So I do wish there was more range like you could be 5’9 and if you’re incredibly skilled you can make it and that’s just not really the reality of the NBA today. So, I was rooting for him. I think he just had a tough shooting game. I think he’s going to have probably some big offensive performances throughout the summer league. Um, but it’s just at his size and his his ability to defend is still a question mark and just Yeah, he I don’t I don’t really see a world where that plays out. Yep. Um, we’re going to wrap it up here. I want to get to a couple of super chats first. Uh, before we do, first one, we’re winning the chip based on what I saw. Tell me otherwise. Rand, I love it. I love the energy. Uh, bring it. Jake Wamala, what’s up, guys? I wore the hard hat to the game. Hells yeah, Jake. I didn’t see that. I wish I did. Bring it out for the next selfie and send it to us next time. Please, please, anybody who does that. And Jake, once again, summer league and open workout. Unlimited fouls. I loved Walsh’s maturation. Kenny Loftton’s aggression. Thank you. Get 10 fouls in summer league. That’s my favorite rule. It’s so bad. Don’t do that. I don’t want that. Uh we did talk about at the top of the show uh Ugo Gonzalez uh making his uh summer league debut. It was a question whether or not he was going to play at all uh when the Celtics drafted him, which would have been a real bummer to not be able to get to see your first round draft pick in action. We did, and I do feel, as we talked about earlier, we got the full Ugo experience in terms of everything that we’d heard about him, the energy, the poise, the maturation, even for a 19-year-old guy. Uh here’s uh Ugo and his coach talking about his summer league Celtics debut. Uh Ugo and the whole team were just, you know, pressuring relentlessly the whole game. That’s what we asked them to do. And uh I think he ended up on the ball handlers a lot, you know, particularly down the stretch. You can see that he was kind of wearing it a little bit, but uh that was an excellent tone that that he and our back court set throughout the course of the game. And then, you know, you could just tell that he was developing a bit of a a feel for the way they were guarding, the way that our team, you know, needed to play. And I thought that he created some advantages whether uh that we didn’t capitalize on something. He might have just had a a tough roll around the rim or a kick out that we missed. But I thought he he was really composed down the stretch. Yeah, I mean, for the summer league team, I’d say what you saw tonight or this afternoon is exactly what we’re looking for him to do. Pressure the ball, space the floor, be ready to shoot, handle the ball, make plays for others, attack the basket. Again, I thought his uh aggression attacking the paint was excellent and and some plays he finished, some plays he didn’t. And you know, I think that’s going to kind of even out going forward. Yeah, I mean, it was hard to to to catch up with the with the pace and everything. You know, when I was in in Europe, game is a lot of times a little bit slower. We’re trying to have the that possession until the end here. If you got a shot, you better take it. So, that that’s actually making the the game really up and up and down. And you gotta you got to catch up with that if you want to play. So I’m just trying to adapt and just trying to adapt as as soon as I can. So I as I said before contribute to the to the team. I mean you’ve played in big games for Real Madrid, but is was were you nervous? What was your emotions like before the game? I mean not nervous at all. I mean, as you said before, I got I’m lucky that I got the more or less experience of playing on a really really hot court. It’s in Europe and I think that I played great on my side. But obviously when it’s your first game and everything, you are a little bit nervous, you know, as as soon as you go on the first play and you grab a rebound and you make the basket, the all never goes out. Then you get on defense and everything. So, I think the um nerves are out there until you start playing and you figure out that it’s the same sport. It seemed like during the during the game, Matt was kind of telling you there’s plenty of game left, like when you had a couple misses early on. What were those conversations throughout the game like with him and just the coaching staff in general? I mean, they were just saying, you said that we got a lot of game to play still. Um, I got to give my head up and even though I was missing the free throws that I said, um, I’m not allowing myself to do that again, but um that that’s that’s a thing that happens in the game, too. But, you know, they were just giving me confidence again for my own ball um game and everything. Getting stacked on defense so get I can get steals deflections and everything. Just giving me confidence for for the rest of the game. I like him. I want to keep him. Yeah, it’s Can can we keep him? I like him. I like him. I like I like I I do I do like his poise and you know, I wasn’t there interviewing him, but definitely seems like he’s got a good head on his shoulder. So again, uh, you know, thumbs up for Ugo. Uh, you know, not a bad debut for Amari Baylor. Hope he gets it again. I will say I did notice Ugo definitely looked like he tweaked his ankle a teeny bit on one possession there. Um, you know, a couple ended up returning to the play. Was a teeny bit slowed. I’m actually surprised he stayed in the game and he did. I wouldn’t be shocked if there was a well this thing stiffened up or swelled up a little bit. Maybe he sits out. So, we’ll see if we see him on the next game or not. But um the Celtics are back uh coming up uh later on. What is it? Sunday is the next Sunday at 5:30. Sunday. Uh so before we wrap, two quick shouts out. Number one, shout out to our sponsor over at Prize Picks, America’s number one daily fantasy sports app. Download the promo code CLNS. New users, play five, get 50 instantly in your account when you play Prize Picks. Pick more or less on at least on two or more players to win up to 2,000 times your cash. Once again, download the app, promo code CLNS, play five, get 50 instantly. Prize picks, run your game, and also summer league stuff. It doesn’t end here. You saw us on the Garden Report, but you can go check out everything on our YouTube page here. We’ll have all of our interviews. Bobby and Noah are doing work uh on the game days, on off days. They’ll be doing different segments and topical segments as we’re talking about things going on. What happened? I don’t want I want that. So, check it out. Some good stuff coming out the next few days. all of the interviews on our page. Bobb’s got a really good podcast. You can also obviously catch Noah’s podcast. You got Boston on there, too. You see Sherrod, you see Cedric. Cedric and I just dropped one. It was actually pretty funny. Um, some good uh Celtics talk and including our top five Celtics and possibly some blasphemy thrown in there, too. So, if you want to get You’re gonna love this. We got we got we got uh Kevin O’ Conor coming out tonight. Our episode with him. I think he shifted Noah on the tank stuff a little bit just describing the process and how this You’ll get there. You’ll all get there. I don’t think he shifted me. Also, that episode is already out. But I think Yeah, I think he just made me realize that I’m going to be really annoying if I keep doing the anti tank thing. So, I made a commitment to stop when the season starts, but there’s three months left that I can do it. So, yeah, I don’t think that’s the right word, but it might end up being where it’s going. Ahmed Ahmed said the full episode comes out tomorrow. He dropped a small portion earlier today, so you will check that all out. That’s okay. You were both kind of right. Um, but the full episode drops tomorrow. Uh, but Bobby and Noah, as you saw, will be in Vegas. Noah’s gonna Noah’s taking residence there. Uh, Bobb’s going to be uh for a little shorter time, but we will have cover. How about groceries today? I’m settling in. I love that. I love those trips. I missed those when I used to go I used to cover spring training every year sometimes for upwards of two weeks and I would just check in and the first day I would go to a Publix and just get all my groceries and just lay it out and just you know hey this is where I live now. So uh Noah’s in it for the long haul. Bobb’s going to be there for several days as well. So we’ll have you covered through all of the Celtics game action and all the stuff in between. Maybe we get a chance to talk to Brad. Maybe Bill pops down there. Who knows? There’s always other interesting people playing around. I know we saw Garza and Minat there uh at the game, so you might catch up with some of the newer Celtics as well. So, tons of content on CLNS. I will say to Bobby and Noah, guys, you see this? This is what I want you to look like when you get back. Okay, this color. Okay, let’s let’s work on it. Okay, I have four layers of sunscreen on right now, John. I’m on the anti-tan wave. It’s a as as Jimmy once said to Bobby, you know, going down to Miami, he’s like, “You better be lathering cream cheese all over your face.” Yeah, I got it. I haven’t been outside much. I’ve avoided the heat so far. Yeah, this is just me and my dayto-day. I haven’t even gone on vacation yet. I’m going on vacation next week, so sadly car, huh? This is literally I get tanned through the car like this. But, uh, it’s all good. Uh, but anyway, have fun out there, guys. Thank you all for joining and watching. Quite a a really good uh audience and crowd. Uh spirited discussion in the chat. We always like that. For a Celtics summer league game, which is great. Celtics win this first one against Memphis. Game two is on Sunday. There will be a garden report. It’ll probably just be Bobby and Noah. Uh though we might be able to get Jimmy to jump in there as well. Uh so again, thank you guys for hanging out with us. We will see you as soon as I can find the outro. You want to press it? Just press it. Press it. No one’s sneaking a vegan brownie by me. I’ll tell you that. Okay, you know what, John? We’re going to do it. You have to feel that way, too, Bobby. I have to feel that way. A slide out over and and make Luke your first center. Bobby, we gave you Luke hour earlier. We are not going to end this on a damn conversation about Luke.

Jordan Walsh led the way in the Celtics Summer League opener with 17 points on 6-of-12 shooting and 3-of-6 from deep, helping Boston cruise past Memphis. Hugo González flashed his all-around game, and Charles Bassey brought energy in the paint as the Celtics opened strong in Las Vegas.

The Garden Report’s Bobby Manning, Noa Dalzell, and John Zannis go LIVE with instant reactions, player breakdowns, and early takeaways from the Celtics’ 92-78 win.

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1:00 Instant Reaction
10:57 – Hugo’s potential role
20:01 – Amari’s early impressions
23:08 – Anticipating player roles
30:34 – Charles Bassey breaks out
32:25 – Contract considerations
34:40 – Roster flexibility
46:57 – Year 3 for Jordan Walsh
49:50 – Importance of Three-point shooting
53:39 – Celtics need contributions
1:02:25 – Baylor’s shooting potential
1:05:08 – Kenny Lofton
1:11:50 – Reaction to Hugo’s debut

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