Sharks’ Defensive OVERLOAD Sparks Trade FRENZY | Will Ferraro or Liljegren Be DEALT?

Sharks’ Defensive OVERLOAD Sparks Trade FRENZY | Will Ferraro or Liljegren Be DEALT?

After last week’s moves, these Sharks have too many defensemen on the roster. Who could we see traded? You’re Locked on Sharks, your daily podcast on the San Jose Sharks, part of the Locked On podcast network, your team every day. Hello, welcome to Locked on Sharks, the premier hockey podcast covering your favorite team in the Bay Area. My name is JD Young, caretaker at the Reef, also the co-host of Locked On NHL. I want to thank you for making Lockdown Sharks your first listen. Proudly part of the Lockdown Network. We cover your team every day. If you want to be in every day, all you have to do just follow along wherever you get podcast or you can watch on YouTube as well. And today we’re going to be discussing the plethora of options Mike Ger has uh as the Sharks need to move on from a defenseman or potentially two. Um so we’re going to be looking at four candidates that I think could be realistic options for the Sharks to trade. Uh Mario Faroh, Tim Liginrren, Vinnie Deese, and Henry Thr. And then discuss kind of the pros and cons and who I think eventually ends up getting moved. So, before we get to that, do want to let you guys know today’s episode is brought to you by FanDuel. Right now, new FanDuel customers can get $150 in bonus bets if your first $5 bet wins. So, um the San Jose Sharks, uh now have a lot of uh defenseman. Um and last week on fourth period hockey um David Pegnota discussed about how these Sharks uh one still in the Byum trade but two um have a lot of defensemen in their group and they you know uh there’s a log jam of defenseman right now um and the expectation that one of them if not multiple defenseman could be available. He specifically uh says Timothy Lilligrin and Henry Thrron. I thought this would be a good time to kind of look at the what after last week’s moves kind of where the Sharks are at with their blue line and trying to kind of figure out the pros and cons of moving you know Ferraro andor Ligin andor Deese andor Henry Thrun um and just kind of go through the ramifications of moving each player. So, um, just as a reminder, here’s where the San Jose Sharks currently sit right now when it comes to actually defenseman. Um, so they have eight or sorry, uh, one, two, three, four, five, six. Yeah. So, eight players under contract right now. Um, this does not include Jack Thompson who’s an RFA. Still Sharks hold his rights. Still haven’t signed him. That’s fine. Like, not worried about that right there. or Sam Dickinson, who we know is most likely going to get at least his nine games in the NHL um before the Sharks have to make a decision. So, right now, the under contract defensively, you have Demetri Orof, who signed for two years at $6.5 million. Nick Ley, who the Sharks claimed off of waiverss uh from the St. Louis Blues, uh one year at 4 million, John Clingberg, one year at 4 million. All three of those guys do have some sort of trade protection. Uh Orv has a no move clause this entire season and it opens up next year. Uh Clingberg has a no move clause for the first like I think through January 30th. Um and then opens up so that way the Sharks if they want to move him can move him there. And then Nick Ley does have a 15 team trade uh as well. Lety the Sharks were 100% on Letty’s no trade. Uh, and we saw again the Barkley good drill workaround to get Ley to the San Jose Sharks. So, um, that leaves players who are under contract and potentially movable. Uh, Ferraro, Lilren, Vinnie Deese, Henry Throne, and Shakira Mukumadulan. I’m not including Muk McDullan because I I do believe the San Jose Sharks really like Shakira Mukuman, right? Um, we’ve heard my career talk about Muk Madulan a lot. the expectation for Muk Magdullan to kind of step into a bigger role this season, right? We we saw flashes of it last year, especially right before he got hurt. And I’m not going to include Muk Mullan because I do think he is a part of the Sharks kind of future here. I think he’s a a a core player um for the Sharks, especially on the blue line here. again like I I I would be surprised if Shakir Mukmund got moved unless it was for a like big big name type of thing. But again, let’s start though with with the the obvious or the biggest name I think out of them and that is Mario Ferraro. So, uh, one, we are one Mario Ferrer trade away from William Ecklund being the longest tenure San Jose Shark right now on the roster, which would be mind-boggling. But anyway, so let’s kind of dig into Ferraro’s season last year before we kind of discuss what to do with Ferraro. So, uh, Ferraro last year, um, he’s got, like I said, one year left on his deal. He’ll be uh 27 for this upcoming season. He played 78 games last year, five goals, 12 assists, 79 shots on goal, playing 2142 uh a night. Uh Corsy Force, so when Ferraro was on the ice, uh the Sharks uh took 47.11 shot attempts. Um goals for 40.77%. And remember, uh with all these numbers between the Sharks number, like you have to kind of take them with a little bit of a grain of salt because of how bad this team was. So, um, looking at Ferraro’s, uh, evolving hockey card, playing first pairing minutes, especially at five on five, uh, 22 percentile player, 81 percentile offensively, four percentile defensively. So, you actually saw Ferraro really do a good job of driving offense, and that was kind of one of his big goals this year was to trying to drive offense. Um the expected goals of a replacement is very high in that regard, but the goals above replacement, expected goals of replacement defensively. Uh definitely below average there. Um short-handed also kind of in the same ballpark there. Of course, Ferraro doesn’t get much of any time on the power play. um looking at his advanced hockey card um from uh JFresh and the advanced hockeys.com um 18th percentile war over the past three years and this really saw a jump up from the past two years where it was basically just above 0% to right below 50% this year. So Ferrar actually had a a really good season compared to what we’ve seen from him. Um, the offense drove it, but the defense definitely took a hit this year. And again, you don’t really think of Mario Ferraro as a offensive defenseman, right? Um, the even strength offense and his ability to help kind of drive offense really drove it. Uh, the penalty kill was not very good. He played tough competition of course uh with with okay teammates um and was was decent at you know kind of creating offense for other players. So um looking at his utilization Ferraro was given some of the toughest assignments by the San Jose Sharks. So faced tough competition with uh not great offensive deployment. um and he produced solid results especially when it came to shot attempts and you know kind of creating shots etc etc when he was on the ice. Ferraro was kind of labeled as an average top four to a defenseman. Um when looking at Dobber’s uh usage chart here uh what Ferraro did really well this season was kind of the defensive zone retrievalss getting the puck u from his own zone. there was a lot of like he had to do it a lot. So there was a lot of failures and failed exits and we we know Ferraro can sometimes struggle with those areas but um did a really good job of creating rebounds uh with offensively kind of shooting to create those rebounds. That’s what drove a lot of his offense. But um the defensive zone retrievalss there’s a lot of kind of very roller coaster of he did a lot of good things and he also did a lot of tough things there as well. So, um I I think the case for trading Mario Ferraro, and something I’ve said on this podcast multiple times, is I don’t want to pay Mario Ferraro his next contract, right? Uh as he enters the last year of his deal at $3.25 million. He will be in uh unrestricted free agent uh after this season. And if I’m the Sharks, like poor Ferraro, he’s kind of in that no man’s zone of he’s still young enough where you can kind of consider him, but he’s also like you kind of know what Mario Ferraro is at this point. And um you know, his his $3.25 $.25 million contract is not prohibitive and it’s it’s a perfectly fair contract for Ferraro, but I have a feeling on the open market he would get a much larger contract. Like look at Cody Cece, right? And I I think it’s fair to say I you know I would rather Mario Fry than Cody Cece as a defenseman and CeCe just got paid a butt ton of money, right? Um, so I I think though for the Sharks, right, and we’ll we’ll dig more into this at the end, but I think the pros for for trading Ferraro, um, is he’s probably worth the most out of these four guys, maybe him and Lula Grin, and we we’ll discuss that here in a minute, but he’s probably worth the most. Uh, his perceived value, I think, is higher outside the NHL than compared to what Sharks fans think about him. Um and uh his contract is very tradable at $3.25 million. Um the cons or for trading him or I guess the pros for keeping him is um he is beloved in the locker room, right? Great locker room guy. Wears an A for your team. Um you saw improvement this year, right? for like offensive improvement from this year and even the defense did improve maybe a little bit but um there I I think with Ferraro right where he’s been saddled on these horrible horrible teams basically since he entered the league and has been asked to do way too much for what Mario Ferrar should be expected to do maybe now with some more help right like Orof and Clingberg and some of these other ides Ferraro can maybe settle into his natural role a little bit more and then you could always trade him at the trade deadline where maybe his value might be even higher and you might have more suitors uh as teams trying to kind of get ready for the stretch run but um again we’re going to kind of we’ll at the end we’ll talk a little bit more about kind of ranking them and stuff like that. So, um, before we get to Tim Liginrren, who uh or Timothy Liginrren, uh, who right-handed defenseman and was definitely on the, uh, he might get traded list, just need to take a quick break. Summer sports are in full swing and whether you’re all about baseball under the lights, golf on the green, or high stakes soccer action, Vandal is the best way to make every game even more exciting. you’re already following the action, why not make it a little more thrilling with FanDuel, you can get on the game with your friends are getting sunburnt at the beach. And even if you’re into betting on summer league uh basketball because why not bet on summer league basketball? Uh they’ve got you covered there with even in-game props that let you uh kind of get in on the action with summer league and full effect right now. So, if you’re new to FanDuel, new customers can bet just $5. Get a $150 in bonus bets if your first bet wins. Open the FanDuel app today or visit fan.com to get started. All right, before we continue, we talk about Ligrin, do of course want to thank you for making locked on Sharks your first listen. Uh although the draft is done, free agency is for the most part is done, still doesn’t mean that we don’t have you covered here for your daily Sharks coverage. Uh as we kind of start to dive into the wreckage that was free agency in the draft, we’re going to start doing our draft profiles this week. Of course, we’ll start with uh Michael Misa might be pretty good. We got you covered for any other transactions that Greer has. So make sure you follow along wherever you get podcast and of course you can watch on YouTube as well. Um so we have uh Timothy Ligrin who uh was definitely named on the list of players who to be uh traded from again via fourth period hockey. He’s an interesting player because you literally just traded for him last year, right? you traded for him from the uh Toronto Maple Leafs. We gave up a a third round pick and again I know uh I’ve said multiple times like third round picks I think we value them a little bit more than GMs do. They’re very easy to acquire. Like you you can uh like it’s they’re not prohibitive, right? Um, so Sharks did trade a third round pick for for Lilligrin um from the Toronto Maple Leafs and then he’s now in the last year of his deal. Ligrin, who is right-handed, maybe that right-handedness fetches you a little bit more. So, let’s dig into Lagrin’s season here. Lo, 6’1, 2016, so a little bit younger. One year at $3 million. He played 67 games with the San Jose Sharks. Uh he did play one game with the Leafs before he got traded. So these numbers are are Shark specific. Uh he had six goals, 11 assists, 102 shots on goal. Played 1916 a night for the Sharks. 47.36% Cory4, 40.63% goals for looking at his uh evolving hockey card. Again, kind of playing those first pairing minutes, especially at five on five. uh 23 percentile player uh 33 percentile offense 45 percentile defensively. Uh he was actually very good defensively especially compared to Mario Ferraro when it comes to the goals above replacement and expected goals above replacement. Um the offense I think was a little bit lacking. Like if you had told me that Lilren and and Ferraro’s hockey cards were swapped I think it would make more sense. like that’s kind of what I had going into uh this exercise before, you know, actually seeing it. Um got some power play time usually kind of as a second guy, a second option on the blue line there. Um he drove offense well he just didn’t get the results that you’d want there. Uh got a little bit of shorthanded of time and did not do well with it. So uh which is kind of what you would expect within. Looking at his war cards, 71 percentile war playing this kind of second pairing minutes over the last three years. Um definitely propped up by the previous two years with Toronto. Uh where this year he kind of dropped to more like a 50 percentile. Offensively though or is kind of where his bread and butter is. Um and you know the offense did take a little bit of a d a little bit of a dip this year but still kind of um what you would expect with him. um does a great job of like with the finishing and kind of driving goals. Um not all like the assists aren’t where you would expect them to be for a guy like Lilrin. Uh played with tough competition but had good teammates as well. But again, a lot of that is driven by playing with the Toronto Maple Leafs. So looking at um his usage again kind of given tough competition given a little bit more offensive zone starts than than Ferrar which is what you would expect with a guy like Lil averages out to a top four two-way defenseman for him at least when it comes to his usage here. Um, and then what Lil Drian did well and what he didn’t do well. Did a good job with zone entries, which is what you’d expect like Lran carrying the puck. Um, getting the the puck into the offensive zone. Did a very good job with that. Um, drove offense, you know, especially with the kind of creating shots for 60 and the chances per 60. Uh, and again, maybe just didn’t capitalize as much as you would expect. struggled with zone defensive zone retrievalss, especially the exits, like getting the puck out of the zone. Um, and the zone entry defense is an area of concern for Lilrin as well. Um, so I I I do think with Lilrin, um, kind of the pros of trading Lilrin is, um, he is a right-handed defenseman and teams are always willing to pay for right-handed defenseman, especially guys who can generate offense. I do think Willren can generate offense. um you know, he yes, you did just trade a a third round pick for him last year, but you could probably still get maybe not equal value, but close enough value uh where it’s it’s maybe a little bit of a wash here for for Lil Grid. um you know, one one year left, $3 million. Again, a contract that’s super easy to move um for a team who’s looking for to add it add Lilrin, especially as more of a four, five, six type of defenseman instead of the Sharks where he’s like a two, three defenseman. Um but um and then especially if you think Jack Thompson is kind of ready to take that next jump and be an everyday NHL player, I think you have Will Dre’s replacement right there uh in Jack Thompson who I I really like Jack Thompson and I think he does a lot of stuff positively especially with the puck uh movement with, you know, also kind of struggles in the same areas when it comes to zone entries. etc., etc., but um and Lil, not that you have to worry about the cap space, but Jack Thompson is going to do it much cheaper. He’s also much younger, a couple years younger, and is probably going to continue to get better, while Liren’s probably kind of plateau to where he’s at here. So, um I do I I think the cons though is um if you do trade Lilren, right, you’re opening up another right-handed hole. If Jack Thompson’s not ready to kind of jump into that, that really leaves you with two guys on your team who are right-handed, they can like they can figure out figure it out. But Clingberg, who’s an, you know, guy who’s struggled with injuries, and Deise, who may or may not be a a everyday NHL player anyway, it does leave a lot of uh holes there, especially if Clingberg ends up getting hurt or like maybe you might kind of and if Jack Thompson’s not kind of ready to be an everyday NHL player, it does leave you a little uh exposed on the right side there. And then you will have to have guys um playing on their off side. And again, Nick Ley can easily play on his offside. Madan’s played on his offside as well, etc., etc. So, um, speaking about Darren, we’re going to look at him and throw really quickly and kind of discuss the merits of moving these guys as well. Uh, so we’ll get to that here in just one second. All right, before we finish up, do of course want to thank you for making locked on structure your first listen. For your second listen, check out the Locked on Angel podcast. There’s no offseason, guys. Uh we’re still bringing you the daily leaguewide stories that matter most with local coverage that you love from Locked On. Find Lockdown Angel on YouTube, wherever you listen to podcast. Okay. Um, Vidy Darren and Henry Thun, two guys here. Uh, let’s start with with Thorne, who I again also named on it and probably has a little bit more value than, uh, Day. So, uh, quickly with Thoren, 6’2, 210bs, one year left on his deal at $1 million. He’s 24, played 60 games last year, two goals, 10 assists, 52 shots on goal, averaging 1731 time on ice. Corsy42.10. 10 goals for 36.14% for Thrun. Um playing about second pairing minutes at 5 on five. Got some shorthanded time but not much there. Um four percentile player. Uh 11th percentile offensively, 10th percentile defensively. Really has struggled for run I I think is a fair assessment for him. Um, looking at his war, he’s been a seven percentile player while again not playing a lot of tough minutes. Um, the offense just hasn’t been able he hasn’t been able to kind of drive offense or help on the defensively. Um, and again, hasn’t had the greatest teammates as well. So, uh, which is fair to say. Um, for Throwin, he’s been given kind of tough situations with not a lot of offense there and hasn’t really been able to kind of produce much. And, uh, he’s classified as a struggling top four two-way defenseman, uh, from Dober prospects, uh, or at least Dber Hockey, sorry, excuse me. Uh and looking at where Thrun does well and where he struggles, the zone entry defense is an area that he definitely struggles in where uh carries against and and kind of guys getting in the on the in the zone on him seems to usually end up very well for the other team. Um he yeah like again doesn’t really generate a lot of offense and struggles to get the puck out of his own zone. Uh when he does though get a chance to to kind of exit, he does do a pretty good job at at it. So um for Thran though, like he’s a guy who’s on a $1 million deal. Maybe you could sell like he’s still young and you could maybe kind of sell the change of scenery might help him um type of scenario. And again, I know you traded again a third round pick for Henry Thun. You’re not going to get a third round pick for Henry Thr back uh from for him. So, uh, again, you’re probably looking like a late pick or maybe it’s one of those we’ll trade you our problem child for your problem child type of scenarios. But, uh, Thrun is a guy who I could definitely see being moved, but I wouldn’t hold your breath on getting back anything super great from him. So, uh, and that finally leaves Vinnie Darren, who I I don’t think will be traded. uh you know they just acquired him at the end of last year at the trade deadline but again is a guy who has a very movable contract was traded twice last season uh from Vancouver to Pittsburgh to San Jose but I just again not a guy who I would it wouldn’t shock me if he got traded but so just want to kind of bring him up very quickly uh with the time with the Sharks seven games zero goals zero assists one shot on goal played 1749 42.11 course he 433.33% % uh 6’7, 226 pounds. He’s 29, so kind of the oldest of this group here, and does have $2 million on his one-year contract left. Um, playing, and this is with all the teams combined here, um, playing third pairing minutes, five on five. Um, nothing offensively as you would expect. um but pretty solid defensively and and pretty good on the penalty kill especially, but again kind of that second role uh for them. 25th percentile player um fourth percentile offensively, 82nd percentile defensively. Uh with he’s a uh 52% war over the past three years and it’s been pretty steady over that time. Uh 22 23 season was was a little bit higher but everything else has been pretty steady. um good is is the defense for him, the PK for him. You’re getting basically zero on offense uh out of out of Vinnie Dres. Um you his usage chart qualify like he’s given uh easier assignments in the offensive zone and doesn’t really do much with them, but doesn’t get a lot of opportunities as well. He’s uh considered a struggling depth defenseman, which I think is a fair assessment for him, at least with his role uh with the over the with it last season with the three teams he was on and what he does. Uh well, um not much, especially the zone injuries. Like, do not ask him to carry the puck. Uh do not ask him to drive offense. Uh can get the puck going the other way a little bit here. So, um, with with Darren, I think the pros of moving him is he’s very replaceable. Like, he is just a guy type of guy. Um, the cons is it’s it’s not really like you’re not getting anything. So, and I think for a guy who can be your seventh defenseman as a veteran type of player, um, does do good stuff on the penalty kill, like I think it’s you’re the hassle of trading him and maybe the roster spots more worth it. I just don’t think you’re going to get anything back. So, I think it really comes down to Ferraro, Lilrin, uh, and Thrron as your three potential. And again with the run I you wonder again kind of like the Mark Edwardic where the roster spot’s more important than the contract or whatever you get back especially if you do feel like Sam Dickinson’s going to stick around, right? Uh I think Dickinson can kind of play the Henry Throne role in the upcoming season whereas maybe a little bit more sheltered. You’re going to give him um third pairing minutes, right? maybe gets a chance to run the power play or you know the second power play unit or something like that behind Clingberg like you’re gonna kind of put Dickinson in a position to succeed and thr or you know I think Dickinson who has a much higher ceiling than Henry Thr but is going to have some of his rookie mistakes. I I think that would make sense if you wanted to move Thrron out to make a spot for Sam Dickinson. Right. When it comes to Ferraro and Ligrin, I I think the best decision would be to move one of them, not both of them to start the season, right? Um, and I know Ferraro is, you know, more kind of beloved and again has been with the Sharks for a long time and stuff. I just I do not want to pay Mario Ferraro his next contract. Um, and who knows, again, maybe I’m reading it, but I I still reading it wrong here, but I do think Ferraro has more value outside of the organ is like perceived value among the NHL. And yes, even though he’s left-handed and he doesn’t really kind of spark the offensive numbers and and stuff. Um, but teams love what Mario Fur brings, right? That like um grit, uh, you know, the like tryh hard. I think if he’s your fourth or fifth defenseman, you’re probably feeling a lot better than where if he’s your second or third defenseman where he has been with the Sharks the past few seasons. Uh or maybe your first defenseman in some cases. Um, I do think Ferraro would make the most sense of that kind of you’re going to I think he’s there’s options on the roster to replace him, especially with Orlav in the fold here and Lety, um, who I think both those guys can I think Lety can kind of do what Ferraro does. I think Orlav’s a better defenseman uh than than Ferraro is even right now. with Warlock kind of maybe losing a little bit of a step here. I still think he’s at a better defenseman than than Ferraro. Um, and I think Ferraro is going to actually honestly get you the best return. Now, what is that return? Who knows? And again, uh, it sounds like Greer might be trying to cook something up when it comes to a trade. Uh, especially if you can get Boone Byum back and then that I think then you’re looking at a really completely revamped uh, defense. But um I would I would go with if again if it was me I would go with Ferraro because I think with Ligrin there’s just less guys who kind of do what he does um in the Sharks group right now. Right. And again Clingberg who’s much more offensively gifted than uh Liginrren but has struggled with injuries. um Jack Thompson who we’ve seen flashes of him do stuff offensively, but again that consistency and I do think uh Thompson’s ready to be an everyday NHL player, but it just kind of gives you a little bit more certainty that like at least we have Lilin here. It’s not like you can’t trade I if Thompson comes in and is plays really well especially during training camp or early in the season it’s not like you can’t trade Ljan at any time especially if Sam Dickinson sticks right um so uh I those would be the two that I I like Ferrar is the guy I would look to move first um because I I think he gets you the most perceived value then probably Lilligrin uh Thrron I think is a pretty placement level player at this point and more he if you’re looking at a guy who’s potentially blocking Sam Dickinson I think TH’s the guy who kind of blocks Sam Dickinson in his development because uh I think you can kind of put Dickinson in the thrren role uh this upcoming season and then Darren I don’t think it’s worth it and I think I’d rather just have him as my seventh defenseman who can come in and play in a pinch and like you’re not going to get uh he’s not going to kill you type of thing so um Yeah, those that that’s that’s the Sharks defensive group right now. And uh the more I think about it, I think it’s going to be hopefully hopefully a little bit better group this year with uh for the Sharks. So, um that’s going to be it for me today. We’ll be back tomorrow as get we’re probably going to be looking at potential top nine forwards that the Sharks u might be interested in trading for. So, uh make sure you guys are following along wherever you get podcast. And of course, you can watch on YouTube as well. Uh, follow the show on Twitter, Facebook, and Instagram at Lockdown Sharks. Follow me on Twitter and Blue Skyfry Hole. Uh, until tomorrow. Bye, friends.

After last week’s moves, the San Jose Sharks now have too many defensemen, creating a logjam for young players like Sam Dickinson. JD Young dives into the team’s surplus of blueliners, focusing on key players who might be on the move. Mario Ferraro emerges as a central figure in these discussions, with Young analyzing his recent offensive improvements alongside his defensive challenges. The question looms: Could Ferraro’s tenure with the Sharks be nearing its end?

Timothy Liljegren’s future also comes under scrutiny, as Young weighs the advantages and drawbacks of trading the former Toronto Maple Leaf. The analysis extends to Henry Thrun and Vincent Desharnais, examining their value both to the Sharks and on the trade market. As San Jose aims to optimize its roster and build for the future, these players represent intriguing trade possibilities.

Young concludes with his trade recommendations, ranking the candidates and exploring how potential moves could reshape the team’s structure and impact the salary cap. This comprehensive analysis offers listeners insight into the tough decisions facing Sharks GM Mike Grier as he navigates the complexities of roster management and team building. Fans of the teal and black won’t want to miss this in-depth look at the future of San Jose’s defense.

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