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Welcome to Monday’s edition of Big Blue Kickoff Live presented by Cadillac, the official luxury vehicle of the New York Football Giants. So glad you could join us today on the New York Giants YouTube channel. We’re having some technical difficulties and so we’re unable to get the program up on giants.com right now, but we are live on the YouTube channel. And if you’re tuning in, please don’t hesitate to call us. We do believe our phone lines are still working, so you can still participate in the program or of course uh Matt will check out our YouTube channel to see if you guys have any questions that you want to type out on the page in the YouTube chat. We’ll keep an eye on that. There you go. And we’re going to be here for the next hour and we start a little bit late, so we’ll stay a little bit late and talk New York Giants football with you. It is a special two o’clock start time. Or at least that’s what we were hoping to do given the fact that training camp is here. Yes, folks, we have finally emerged from the black hole. We have escaped from the Bermuda Triangle known as the Darth of the NFL schedule. And yes, the Giants veterans report tomorrow. On Wednesday, they’ll be in shirts and shorts for their first practice of training camp. Matt, I’m telling you, I I’m having trouble sleeping right now because it’s finally here. And I feel like that kid who’s anxiously counting down the days till Christmas because you can’t wait to unwrap the presents. I can’t wait to unwrap the roster. I feel like you’ve been counting down the days for Wednesday since like January 6th, whenever whenever last season ended, right? You are. Which Yeah, we look, we we finally made it. It’s It’s definitely going to be a lot busier around here come Wednesday. Oh, yeah. Good busy though. You know, it’s training camp is it’s certainly something around here because, you know, we are out at practice for two hours in the heat. You know, we’re not running around. So, I’m not going to pretend like we get even close to as tired as the the actual players and coaches, but we got some long days ahead of us and every day and you know, no more weekends. I know you might not care about that. I kind of enjoyed having a normal weekend to, you know, rest and recharge, but it’s just getting us ready for the regular season because starting Wednesday for the next, you know, six, seven months, we’re working six, seven days a week. Our lives are Giants football and it’s you can’t complain about that. I don’t pretend to be normal. I know what I am. Okay, you’re P dots. You’re one in a million. I am I am a workaholic. I’m crazy. I eat this stuff up. I can’t get enough of it. And the off season is really, really hard for me. It’s like chewing nails. Well, the we have some moments in the offseason that are exciting. I love free agency week. We have some moment draft weekend’s exciting. The combine’s awesome. It’s nothing like when we’re in play, but it’s like little crumbs that are just leading us. Yes. To this Wednesday, but it helps it helps us get to this point. Otherwise, otherwise it’s, you know, five months of absolutely nothing, which would be even worse for you. So, it’s some nuggets. So, it’s it’s the salad before the ravioli. Yeah, we can go with that. All right. All right, please pass the cheese. Uh, as a reminder, you can catch the show on the archive on the Giants mobile app, podcast platforms everywhere and at giants.com/mpodcasts. And as always, we’re coming to you from the Giants podcast studio presented by Hackinack Meridian Health. Keep getting better. 2011 939-4513 is our phone number here on Big Blue Kickoff Live. Now, I thought today since we’ll go and have the players actually come in tomorrow, the veterans and we’ll have the full roster here again unless somebody’s excused, which they’re allowed to be. And the rookies, just again, I know we discussed this, but the rookies have been here since last week. They had their report last Tuesday. So, they’ve been in the building now for almost a week. And now the rest of the team will join him tomorrow. Although guys have been here. It’s not Okay, give me an overunder. How many more tattoos does Thomas Foni have? Does he have any more room on his body for more? I mean, like we saw it throughout spring. Certainly on his legs, he doesn’t have any more room. Those are completely covered in tattoos. He looks like a road map. Yeah, he really does. He’s like a human road map. Uh, and more interesting more interesting to hear if he added any more that he did himself. I don’t think so because he seemed to say he only did it once. Yeah. And that it was like a one and done type of thing, but you never know. I don’t blame him for not wanting to do that again. No, I I have a few tattoos myself and I not in a million and I have a high pain tolerance. Not in a million years would I be able to do that to myself. Now, uh, so anyway, getting back to the task at hand, what I wanted to do today, ESPN put out a very large story about ranking the starting lineups for each of the 32 NFL teams. This story did drop, I believe it was this morning or overnight. I’m not exactly sure what time it came out. I think early this morning. It was it early, I believe. Okay. and they list the Giants at number 27 out of the 32 teams. Now, if you do the math, so they’re basically saying the Giants are going to draft sixth again in the draft next year. Okay, that’s basically what they’re telling you. Uh I’m sorry. I think the perception versus the reality of what this Giants roster is are not one and the same. Those of us who know a lot about football and have been here on a daily basis and know what is in the building have a much better idea of those people who have not been on the property who have not been in the building who have not seen any of these players or talked to these players or these coaches or again as for that matter watched what we have seen on the practice field. So, having said that, the reasoning or the rationale that he gives the Giants a 27th ranking, and here’s what’s kind of funny. He says the biggest strength uh is the defensive front. And he goes on to talk about Burns and and Tibido and Abdul Carter and Dexter Lawrence, basically saying how terrific the Giants defensive front is. He does not mention the secondary. And you know, I hate to remind this fella, but there was a lot of money put into this secondary. They brought in Holland. They brought in Adbo, who by the way were the top free agent corners and safeties at their respective positions. And they got good money. That does equate to top level value. So, I think he’s missing part of the boat here when he talks about the defense. He’s talking about the front, but he’s not talking about the secondary. Now, you’re right. There’s got to be some meshing of those guys, but don’t don’t sell the talent short. Banks is a number one pick with tremendous talent. Nuben is a very very talented number two pick and the two free agents who were brought here very highly regarded by people in the league. Yeah. Well, with this, let’s just we’ll start on the defense. Yeah. The defensive front, I agree. I think we both agree it is definitely the strength I would say of the entire team. It is the strain. Yes, for sure. And that seems to be pretty, you know, universally accepted because I I had a few examples ready to go. Warren Sharp, who I know John has on the podcast sometimes, big analytics football guy. Just like within the last hour put out rankings for the front seven across the NFL. He had the Giants up at number four, the number four front seven in the entire NFL. And that’s very reasonable. Very reasonable. And you know, he’s far from the only one. Pro Football Focus had the Giants, just the defensive line. I think he they had them at number two, the second best defensive line in the NFL. And you know, you could take your pick at which media outlet you want to look at. Everyone seems to agree the Giants front, front seven, front four is the biggest strength and could be an elite unit, one of the best in the league. And this article touches on that. So in that regard, I appreciate them, you know, resp, you know, respecting that that unit, those two units. I think expand it though to the defense. I agree with you on the secondary though. So we’ve been doing the last couple of weeks, John, Dan and I, 25 questions in 25 days where each day we take turns, the three of us, and we touch on a different question regarding the team. And the one that I actually wrote over the weekend was, “What is one storyline about the Giants that is getting overlooked?” And I wrote, you would be happy to to read this because I wrote that people are sleeping on the Giant secondary. Everyone is heaping praise on the front, which again, it’s on paper, at least all of that praise is rightfully deserved. They have what on the the makings on paper to be an elite unit up front. But I agree with you that the secondary is not getting nearly enough attention because first you have last year’s draft. Let’s just start there with Tyler Nubin and Drew Phillips who both saw significant action as rookies on a defense that as a overall unit didn’t play the greatest and they both stood out. They were both solid to good players as rookies. Yes. Then the Giants went out and added Paul Sanadivbo and Javon Holland who were arguably the top corner and top safety in free agency or one of the top corners and one of the top safeties in free agency. top shelf guys that are, you know, again, universally accepted to be good at their positions. And as you mentioned, Deonte Banks is still here. And yes, last year did not go as well as anyone would have hoped, but he showed enough as a rookie and still has all those physical traits where you cannot give up on him yet. There’s still a lot of football left to be played for him. And, you know, in seven months, we could be talking about DeAndre Binks in a way where like, how did we ever doubt him? just because one bad season, you know, doesn’t mean you just give up on a first round pick. And then obviously there guys like Cordell Flot, Dane Belton, like more reserve guys that are going to see a decent amount of playing time. So all those guys together, I agree. I don’t think the secondary is getting nearly enough attention. And I know a big part of it is just because as a unit last year they did not play that well overall, but again you they were relying on two rookies to start a majority of the season who both played well as rookies and you would think that they have a good chance of taking a year two jump. And then you added two veterans to your starting lineup in the secondary that are proven experienced leaders that have track records underneath them. like they have success in the NFL. Paulsonbo has 10 interceptions in like 50 games. He’s a ball hawk. Javon Holland could do a little bit of everything. So, I’m fully with you. I don’t think the secondary is getting nearly enough, I guess, attention, buzz, credit, whatever you want to call it. And I and I get it’s because they haven’t actually done anything yet. Yeah. And it doesn’t matter until they actually start producing. And I get that. But I think it is a little bit the attention being thrown on the Giants defense is a little bit lopsided because of how elite the front looks like it could be. People, I agree with you, are just completely sleeping on the secondary. All right. So, we we think that he could have expanded the biggest strength just to the overall defense. That’s a fair thing to say, right? Yeah. Okay. Cuz we’re talking about twothirds of the team here. And quite honestly, you know, we’re kind of meshing the linebackers as part of the front, as part of the front seven. We’re almost making it a two-level defense, front seven and secondary, as opposed to linebackers and secondary. We’re kind of making it two units, front seven, secondary. So, so I think that is right right there. Even with the Giants biggest strength, they’re being underestimated by the article. Okay. biggest weakness according to the story. Now, this is where they’re being fair because the truth of the matter is as we sit here today, the number one position on the show me list, okay, the show me list which says show me that you guys are good enough does have to be the offensive line. I can’t argue with that. However, and I’m gonna I’m going to leave this with you and then I want you to respond on this one. Here’s what’s interesting. He says, “Offensive line, the Giants are set to return all five starters from 2024, but that might not be a good thing.” Okay, he talks about Andrew Thomas having a lot of injuries in recent years, missing a lot of games. I get all that, but here’s what’s interesting. If the Giants do indeed start the same five offensive linemen that they started in those five positions last season, what was the Giants record before Andrew Thomas got hurt? Don’t look it up. Do you know offh hand? Yeah, he got hurt in week six. So, we’re counting week six or We’re not counting week six. He got hurt against Cincinnati. The Giants were two and three. Correct. And outside of the Vikings loss, the other two losses were one possession losses which did not have to do with poor performance by the offensive line. No, I mean the Commanders game was the whole got hurt on the and the fumbles and the drop passes. Yeah. Okay. And then it was the Cowboy I think it was the Cowboys. Yeah. It was the second one. But now here’s the point. The point is if it is the same starting five that they had last year that got them to a 2 and3 record and by the way that game six against Cincinnati. You remember the game here? Of course. Very beatable. It was they had them. It was 10 to7 with under three minutes left in the game. Bingo. And then the Bengals scored another touchdown. Was a being a 10-point game. Was a very winnable game. Yep. Okay. My point is if it’s the same starting five offensive lineman with Carmen Bracillo now in his second year as the unit’s head uh assistant coach, offensive line coach. I’m saying to you, there’s no reason why they can’t be as competitive as they were then. They were two and three. They were two and three and Thomas got hurt against the Bengals. The line played well enough to get them to a two and three record, which is competitive. After Andrew Thomas got hurt, the team won one more game the whole rest of the season. So, I appreciate the fragility of Thomas’s track record, but to slam the starting five that they had last year, saying, “Well, if those same starting five are back this year, that’s not necessarily a good thing.” Well, I don’t think it’s necessarily a bad thing either. Your take? Yeah. So, I agree and disagree with what is written here. So overall, I agree the biggest, whether you want to call it weakness question mark is obviously the offensive line, the show me unit. Yes, that I have no argument against. However, the writeup, the little blurb that they have written here, I strongly disagree with because, and I know you don’t like PFF in general, but it says here as part of the description, it talks about Andrew Thomas and him missing games the last two years, but then it says John Renian, John Michael Schmidz, Greg Vanroden, and Germaine Lumador all posted below average to poor PFF grades and run block win rates last season. If you look up though, just I’m gonna just touch on Van Rhoden and Aluminor. That’s just not true. They are the two of them were right on the cusp of the They were average. They were right in the middle. The They kind of exaggerated the stats a little bit to make it sound worse than what it actually is. It talks about the run block win run block win rate. Well, the Giants were 18th last year in yards per carry average on offense. Obviously, that’s not amazing, but that’s not bottom third of the league either. And that was and that was in a situation where they were playing from behind most games where they just had to abandon the run game. And Tyrone Tracy as a rookie still had a pretty darn good rookie season on the ground despite all of this quote unquote poor run blocking win rates. Well, basically, if you’re between 11 and 22, you’re in the mid third. Yeah. So I I just I don’t agree by saying Germaine Luminor like you read this you think okay then all four of those other linemen outside Andrew Thomas suck last year. Greg Vanroden and Germaine Aluminor were solid linemen. Yes. Were they I’m not going to go out and say they were you know amazing you know way above average starters. They weren’t. But they were solid. If they replicated what they did last year again this year, but you combine that with a healthy Andrew Thomas, I don’t think anyone’s complaining, at least about those three starters on the offensive line. Everyone would be happy with that. And again, this has no mention of Germaine Aluminor having to switch over to the left side to take over at left tackle for Andrew Thomas after training at right tackle. It has no mention of Greg Vanroden switching positions, you know. So, they nitpicked certain very specific, you know, PFF metrics to make the unit sound worse than what it was. Now, I’m not saying the unit was good last year because it wasn’t. But, as you mentioned, when the six guys, the six starters were playing together the first six weeks of the season, that was a middle of the pack offensive line that was getting that was getting better each week. They were getting better until Andrew Thomas suffered that injury in the week six game, which he still finished the game, but you could tell he was not in the rest of that game. He was not he was not right 100%. No, he was not right. So again, I agree that that is the definitely the biggest unit where they need to show us that they’re, you know, taking a step this year from where they were last year. But I don’t agree with the write up and, you know, trashing basically they trash everyone outside of Andrew Thomas, which I don’t think is fair. And even with Andrew Thomas, it says he’s very good. He’s an allp pro when he’s healthy, first of all, but he missed substantial game action, which he’s got to stay healthy this year. No one can dispute that 100%. But to just trash on the other four guys, that I don’t think was completely fair. Yeah. And so what we have here now through the first two points of the writeup, we’ve got an underwhelming, apparently misguided opinion that’s going out there on the national wire. And this is why people outside the building don’t really have a true perspective of what the Giants are. And no mention that they actually improved the depth at the offensive line this offseason. No mention of that whatsoever. None. All right. Uh in addition now some some other couple of other guys finished off the selection of the Giants at number 27 X Factor. And this is where they finally in the third item they finally tipped their cap a bit. They talk about Tyler Nuben who had a terrific rookie season. You mentioned that a few moments ago. Talks about the addition of Javon Holland and later off later on also mentions Paul Sinado and says, “Wow, you know, you can start to see how the back end of this defense could come together.” Well, thank you. Finally, finally in the third item, they’re actually seeing that there was a plan to enhance the overall defense and that there is something that was done to make the team better. Gee, appreciate that. That’s the X factor for the Giants this year is the secondary. I kind of feel better about the secondary than calling them an X-factor. I know they haven’t played together and there is a jelling and a chemistry that has to happen. But if you want to talk about an X factor, X factor to me means it is truly an unknown and it could be this way or that way with a very wide scope of results. I don’t feel that way about this this secondary. I think this secondary is going to be pretty good even on their bad days with the potential to be terrific. So, I don’t think it’s that wide of a spectrum to call it an X-factor. Yeah. Well, for starters, I don’t think I don’t really understand just pointing out Tyler Nubin as a specific X factor. If you if you want to say the secondary, then I could somewhat understand because if the secondary plays up to how up to their potential this year, then the Giants legitimately have a chance of having an actually elite defense. If the secondary struggles, the front will still, you know, I think would still perform well up to standards, but as a unit, the defense may not be a very top elite defense overall. They could be borderline top 10 if the secondary struggles or, you know, top half of the NFL. So, in that sense, I can somewhat understand going with the secondary overall as an X-factor because again, if they play well, I think the Giants could have an a legitimately elite defense. I just think again leaving Dre Phillips out of this or Drew Phillips leaving Drew Phillips out of this comment is also short-sighted. He’s a very good nickel. Yeah. And you know we I was just talking about how they brought up those PFF grades for the offensive line. Drew Phillips was a top 10 quarterback in terms of PFF metrics last year. Top 10 overall in the NFL, second among rookies behind Cooper Dejid. Yet no mention of that or those PFF numbers in this section of the article which I don’t get. But again, the secondary overall, I can somewhat understand if you want to call that an X- factor. For me, the X factor clearly is on the offensive side of the ball. You know, whether you want to give it to Russell Wilson being the X factor because that, you know, somewhat of a wide variety of outcomes could play a significant part in the Giant success. the quarterback position as a whole is the next factor because you not only know how is Russell Wilson going to play or if he’s going to stay healthy, but then how do the Giants navigate the position as they move forward? So, that’s fair. Yeah, that I would understand more if you want to call, you know, Andrew Thomas, well, I guess that wouldn’t be a fair X factor because it’s just all about health for him, right? He’s healthy. If he’s healthy, no one’s doubting Andrew Thomas or his ability. So in that sense, I think Russell Wilson or maybe John Michael Schmidz to me are the biggest X- factors because if John Michael Schmidz takes a big jump this year in year three, which is a year that we see a lot of linemen take a jump, if he plays well, that could help transform this entire line. How about the time? They brought they brought up the interior offensive lineman and the biggest weakness part. JMS and that whole unit is then going to improve. I think he would be a bigger X factor than any guy from the second. Are you curious about the tight ends like I am? I think that Theo Johnson’s going to be terrific, but I don’t know exactly what he’s going to be yet because he did have the foot injury at the end of last season and this is going to be year two. I think we all believe he’s got a very high upside, but where is it going to be this year? I don’t know. I’m I kind of think that’s even more of an X- factor because they could get a lot of production out of the tight end spot or they might get a disappointing production out of it. Yeah. No, I I hear where you’re coming from with that. I guess in my mind I don’t consider it that as big of an X- factor because it just the Giants the pass catchers the receivers are going to lead the way in the passing game. I hope so. I mean, I think we can agree at least Malik for sure. Yeah, assuming he’s healthy, will lead the way among the pass catchers. And then you’d hope slashex expect the combination of Darius Sllayton, Juell Robinson, maybe even Jaylen Hyatt, maybe based on what we saw in the spring and all that Russell Wilson’s talked up about him, although he’s definitely more I gotta wait and see from him. Oh yeah. More so with Well and Sllayton because we’ve seen them do it now in the NFL and for more than just one season. So, I guess in that sense, I just expect those guys to lead the way in terms of the pass catching. So, I do think Theo Johnson could have an impact. I don’t think he’s going to, you know, be a top two or three team person on the team in receptions. I think those other three receivers I just mentioned, they’re going to lead the way in terms of receptions. And then with the blocking, like Chris Manhard is a very good blocker. He’s on the team and he’s out there blocking. I am very confident in his abilities. Same with Daniel Bellinger. I mean, we’d like to see him again take a little bit of a a step up, but I guess I kind of I have I feel like they will meet expectations because expectations for them, it’s not like they’re so high compared to some of these other positions. I I will say this, if the receiving core does not reach their ceiling, and that is, you know, Neighbors has another 90 plus catch season, doesn’t have to have 100, maybe he has 90. Okay, maybe Wandell has 75. He doesn’t have to have 90 again. He could be have 75 and still have a good season. Sllayton, hopefully Sllayton has at least 60. But but you know what? There’s a possibility if Hyatt doesn’t emerge or if one of those other receivers doesn’t do what they’re supposed to do, they might need Theo Johnson to catch 65 balls. That’s true. He might wind up having to be the second leading receiver on this team or third leading receiver depending upon how you want to qualify it by catches, yards or touchdowns. He might have to be a big weapon like Kelsey has become such an important part of Kansas City’s passing attack for sure. And look, before his injury last year, we started to see Theo Johnson do that. He’s got some of it. This was him as a rookie fourth round pick. He started to emerge before that season ending foot injury. Now, we know Russell Wilson likes throwing the ball to his tight end. We’ve seen it for years now. Theo Johnson participated in all of the offseason workout program. You know, I don’t think Dable was ever asked straight up, is he 100% healthy? But I didn’t see him miss significant amount of like he was out there with starters all of spring. So the assumption is he’s healthy. Like I could easily see him taking a step. And that’s another guy, you know, that we’ve seen some media outlets pick. Like Fox Sports a couple weeks ago picked Theo Johnson as the Giants breakout candidate. Did they? Yeah. So clearly there’s some, you know, level of buzz around him. Somebody’s paying attention out there. Somebody is. But I actually I will say this or I want to ask you just because I saw that this player was released yesterday from another team and because we’re talking about the tight end position given that there’s I guess some level of uncertainty about which tight ends are making the team behind Theo Johnson. Would you have any interest in looking into Noah Fant who was just recently released? Former first round pick. No, I know who he is. very athletic, has had his own injury issues over the years. I would probably put him down on the short list in case I had an injury and I needed to call somebody, but I don’t think I would necessarily bring him in right now. Okay, fair enough. I don’t I I kind of agree. I do think someone will sign him this week right now. Probably. Probably because again, he is waiting though to pick the spot that he wants to go to. He might be better off waiting. I guess it depends who reaches out, right? Yeah, for sure. Um, but yeah, he’s he’s still on the younger side again. First round pick not that long ago. Like someone’s going to snatch him up. I do agree though. I don’t think the Giants depth at tight end is I don’t think it’s an issue. Like I I think trouble trying to cut the guys as it is, right? between Theo Johnson and then again with Bellinger, Manhtz, Fidoni, Dulich, we don’t know which three maybe four of those guys will make it outside of I think we’re pretty confident Theo will make it. Outside of that, we don’t we don’t really know, but I’m not that concerned about the depth there. Again, I don’t know if any of those guys are going to end up turning into a, you know, a Travis Kelce, but the way that this offense is built, I don’t think they really need, you know, Theo to turn into Travis Kelce. I think they just need him to be a solid tight end that will catch the ball when he gets when he’s thrown to, whether it’s three, four, five times a game, just catch the passes that are thrown your way. I think that’s all and, you know, helping the blocking a little bit. I think that’s all the team really needs him to do. Well, if it’s four times a game, that’s 68 catches. I gave you that number before. He might have to catch 65 balls for this offense to be effective because maybe one of the offensive weapons at wide receiver won’t be what they’re supposed to be. And Johnson will have to do that. He might have to. Last year, he had he only had 29, but that was in 12 games, right? And again, he was a fourth round rookie, so it’s not like he was immediately thrown right into the fire. No. like Malik was. I think I think the amount of Theo Johnson’s contribution is not only going to depend upon him stepping up as a secondyear player, but it’s also going to be, hey, how much do they need him to step up? Again, if the receiving court doesn’t, they’re going to have to lean on Theo and say, “Hey, Theo, we got to have more from you because we’re not getting it elsewhere. We need you to do it.” And he’s a likely candidate because of his tools. He’s got the ability to have a high ceiling for sure. I mean, how many times did again limited action last year, but I mean, how many big catches up the scene did we see him grab and I’d like decent amount and I’d like to see more again and anytime we talk about last year again not the greatest quarterback play on a week- toeek basis. So, you would think with Russell Wilson, even if it’s Jamus, Jackson Dart, eventually, whoever it is, you’d expect the quarterback play to improve, in which case it wouldn’t shock anyone to see Theo Johnson take a a pretty big jump in year two. All right, finally, uh, they list the non-starter to know as cornerback Cordell Flat. Uh this is a analytics guy who points to some of the analytics of Cordell Flat suggesting that he has he’s done some good things for the Giants uh in the past specifically last year when he did stay a bit healthier and was able to make some plays. You will never get anybody anybody bigger fan of Cordell Flat than I was when he came out of LSU. I was a big fan of him when he came out of school. I continue to be a big fan of him. I still think Banks is the starter and I don’t think that Flat is is in a serious competition to beat him out. Uh but nonetheless, I’m a big Cordell Flat fan. So, you know, I I do think he mentioned something here that if he has a really good season, he’s in the last year of his contract. And so, contract year, you know, Flat’s going to be playing hard because he’s going to want to get paid and there’s always a chance he winds up landing somewhere else. I’d hate to see him leave because I like him a lot as a person and as a player, but uh I don’t have a problem with him suggesting Cordell Flot is a non-starter to know at least he’s acknowledging a player who is under most people’s radar but has a lot of skills. Yeah, I mean I think Flat, you know, I would put Dane Beltton kind of in a similar category. I mean, again, entering a contract year with two guys that are presumed to be above him on the depth chart. I mean, Flat I think is a little more in question between him and Deontay Banks. I know you said we’ll see how much, but Belin is the team’s number three safety. He’s not beating out Holland or Nuben, right? You know, in the next couple weeks, that’s unlikely to happen. But could still see a good amount of playing time and can still have a big impact on this defense. and either of those two guys get injured ahead of him. Belton’s all of a sudden thrown into the starting lineup and going to be leaned upon heavily in that case. So, I could see Flat, I could see Belton, you could put Evan Neil in this situation, in this category, I think, because fair right now he’s a non-starter, but he’s going to at least be given an opportunity to beat out Greg Van Rhoden for that starting right guard spot. And even if he doesn’t, he’s going to be likely the first reserve off the bench on the interior offensive line. And as we see every year, guys get hurt up front every single season. Like it’s un unrealistic to expect the starting five on the offensive line to stay healthy for all 17 games. I wish most more than anything that that could be the case, but realistically speaking, other guys that are on the bench are going to have to step up for a certain amount of games throughout the season up front. Evan Neil, I think he’s just a big potential X-factor. Honestly, he could he could be an X-factor if he ends up winning the starting guard position and lives up to or plays up to his, you know, first round draft status. Again, this line could take a huge jump if that ends up happening. I don’t know. He that’s a player that we very much need to see him do it because the first three years of his career has not lived up to expectations, right? and we don’t know if he’s going to be exponentially better at guard on the inside as opposed to what he did at tackle. That’s very much a wait andsee situation, but I would kind of put him in the non-starter to know category as well as flat rebel. But I I can’t strongly disagree with that because Flat could end up having a big impact on this defense as well. All right, real quick. Uh the Giants Huddle podcast is uh is up as always. all kinds of NFL and Giants personnel. You can hear some long forms interviews that John did. Uh Matt, what is up there right now? Do we know you did you do the latest posting on the huddle? On the Giants huddle. Um I don’t know if today’s is up yet. Well, you can tell people what’s coming. The last one which we posted I believe on Friday, Thursday or Friday was John sitting down with a couple of the linebackers on the team. I believe at some point either today or tomorrow will be John’s conversation with several of the team’s cornerbacks. Corners speaking of speaking of some of the guys we just had. I don’t know exactly guys he spoke to. Okay. But I believe that will be coming out today or tomorrow. and our Charles and our production department put together a video that was posted over the weekend about the Medallands, just the area and how the Giants coming here had a positive impact on this area around here. It’s only like a 10-minute video, but it’s pretty interesting. Javon Holland and Dante Miller met with some high school football players from Sakus. They did a little like boat tour on the Hackinack River and they learned more about the area. It’s a quick watch. It’s only 10 minutes, but I thought it was pretty. I thought it was pretty interesting. Could be very interesting. Taught me some things I didn’t know. Talk about having an impact. If they had never built this giant stadium and that’s before Metife Stadium here at the Medallands, I don’t know if I’d be covering this team for my 30 43rd consecutive season to be honest with you cuz it was the logistics that really made it possible for me to do this. There you go. So, I’m very very grateful that they decided to move to the Metallands. Uh Giant season ticket memberships for 2025 are available. You can stay connected to the team all year long, not just on game days, with exclusive member access and benefits. To learn more, visit giants.com/tick. Also, Giants TV brings original video content and game highlights on demand and direct to big blue fans. It’s free on Apple TV, Roku, Amazon Fire TV, and the Giants mobile app. Our number is 2011-939-4513. We’re going to get to these two quick phone calls that are on hold and then apparently it looks like a bunch of you are these are these updated questions here. Uh John, yeah, we have a bunch of you who did get us questions on YouTube. I believe the website is now up and running, John. Is that correct? Yeah. All right. So, Johnny Mack says the website is running. So, we got over those technical difficulties. So, we’re going to get to all the questions that you posted and try to rip through those after these two quick phone calls. Len from New Haven, Connecticut. You’re first on the show. Hello. Hi. How you doing? This is Jason from New Haven. Oh, hi Jason. I’m sorry. What’s going on Portland man? How you guys doing? Good. How are you Jason? Good. Uh hopefully you guys had a good uh break uh while everybody was gone for the summer. So just quickly, some of us think it was good, others were not too happy. Yeah. So, uh quick quick points. Um yeah, I mean um training camp is here. Thank God we got we finally get to see some tangible evidence on what our team could potentially be instead of all the speculation. Not with you too, but you know just from national media. Um you know you could tell a lot of these guys don’t really watch Giants games. Um I don’t think our O line I said it time and time again. I thought our old line played like Paul always likes to say. I thought they was very functional last year. There you go. Pay pay the copyright man for that one. Thank you. Thank you. You know, I thought I thought they played pretty well. Um, at least the first half of the that first six games. Uh, I thought they played pretty well and they they they they did well against some pretty good D lines. Dallas, Cleveland, uh, I know I’m in, but they I won’t say they shut those D lines down, but they more than they more than enough held their own. So, this whole the Giants O line sucks. They suck. Are they the top five offensive line in the league? No. But, you know, uh I think they’re pretty functional. Um and two guys I want to kind of see what your opinion is. Um, you know, of course I’ll probably wait another week or two before I ask you guys, but to me the the iteration of the offensive line to me, I really hope Evan Neil takes his opportunity to take the bull by the horn and secure one of these guard positions because to me, he is the best run um run blocker on offensive line in terms of just sheer size, mass, strength. Like I seen some tape, we watched some tape of him last year and he just moves guys with ease off that line. It’s it’s pretty impressive to watch. So man, if he could just if he could just really take the bull by the horn and secure one of those old lines, make GVR, you know, the first man off the bench in terms of the offensive interior offensive line off the bench. I think that’s the iteration of the line that has the most upside in terms of towards the end of the year. We’re talking about the Giants O lineers maybe tap top half of the league. I won’t say top 10 or top five, but maybe top 15, top 16, 17 around that range. I think that would be good enough. And the last guy I’m interested to hear what you guys say, and I’ll take it off the air with this one. I’ll probably call another week or so. One guy I’m in intrigued by is this young man named Ambre if if I’m saying his name name right. Cam Camry Camre. You mean the receiver? The undrafted receiver. Yes, the receiver. I’m sorry. The receiver. Um I didn’t know too much about him as far as his college career. Apparently he wasn’t really used that much in college or maybe for whatever reason he didn’t. I don’t know. But yeah, special teams guy. Yeah, he he seems like he has some some skills. Like I said, I’m not saying he’s going to make the final 53 or anything. I’m not saying that, but um I want to see what he looks like. And like I said, I know you guys are short on time, so I’ll take it off the air and I’ll probably give you guys a call next week. Thank you. Thank you, Jason. Thanks, Jason. Well, we’ve already talked a lot about Evan Neil. I think we all agree competition makes people better. And if he winds up winning a starting job, then that’s good for the Giants because it means he beat out other guys. Yeah, I’ll just say this very quickly. I agree with Jason in that I think the highest upside offensive line does have Evan Neil as one of the guards because he had elite physical traits. He was an elite offensive lineman going into the draft. Obviously, it’s not been the case the last couple years, but that’s why they shifted him inside. Greg Van Rhoden who was very solid last year, but given his age and how long he’s been around, I don’t know if it would be fair to say that you can expect him to take a jump, you know, in year was it 12? He is what he is. He is what he is. He if he gave a season like last year, no one’s complaining about that. That’s very solid. Evan Neil’s upside though is higher. I think he also has a lower floor based on what we’ve seen the last few years, which is why they’re going to go through training camp and see who wins the competition. But I agree with Jason that the offensive line that has has the highest upside and the highest potential does include Evan Neil at one of the guard positions. So that point I agree with Jason fully. Yep. And again Camre was a special teams guy. Did not do a whole lot in the passing game when he was in school. And so we’re just going to have to see all of these kids and I’m not going to pull punches here. A bunch of the undrafted rookie free agent wide receivers did some nice things. He’s had some nice flashes during the offseason program, but that doesn’t mean much. In fact, it kind of means very little until you get to training camp and then you play in the preseason games. Some of these guys may continue to show flashes. Some of these guys may all of a sudden fizzle out and not become anything. You just don’t know. Yeah, look, we saw several undrafted rookie free agents perform very well in the offseason workout program, but that is the time where they are taking the most reps. You know, Malik Neighbors wasn’t didn’t take a single team rep. See, you know, some of those other guys like, yeah, Darius Sllayton was out there, Jaylen Hyde was obviously out there, Wandelle was out there, but they’re not taking every rep. The offseason and then kind of in mostly the offseason workout program, but part of training camp 2 is more for the bottom of the depth chart guys to prove themselves. Like, we know the top starters at the wide receiver position for the Giants this year. We don’t need to go through training camp to know who the top four receivers are going to be. the offseason workout program and even training camp is for those bottom of the depth chart guys to make a name for themselves and to prove themselves why they deserve to be on NFL roster. So yeah, Camry did look good in the spring. I think you could say that about a few other of the undrafted rookie wide receivers as well. And it’s part of it is because they were just getting the most reps out there. There’s a phrase that people talk about all the time and it’s not necessarily related to football, but it really could be and that is tomorrow is not guaranteed. Well, that’s how it is for every one of these undrafted kids. For sure. Tomorrow is not guaranteed. So, every day they’ve got to go 180 miles an hour for every single rep if they’re going to have a chance a chance to come back tomorrow. And that’s just the way it works throughout the entire off season for those guys. Look, I can only say this. It’s better that they showed flashes rather than not, but it doesn’t necessarily mean they’re guaranteed tomorrow either. By no means. No, that’s it. They got to do that for all the training camp just to have a shot at making the 53man roster. Len from Columbia, Maryland is next on the program. Hi, Len. Hi. Hey, guys. I I thought for a second I moved to New Haven. I had to think about I know when you I got line one and two confused on the computer. The exciting part is certainly an exciting time. But I know you were at L for the Yale Bowl and I know you went to the Yale Bowl. I know you did. Yep. Of course you did. I did too. Go ahead. Yep. Yep. That was that was a that was a some one and a year and a half up there. We’ll forget about that for the moment. Go ahead. What do you got on the 25 Giants? Just one worst worst nightmare memory. You’ll name it. Don’t go don’t go. I’m sorry. I opened the can of worms. Go to 25. What do you got today? Yeah. Okay. Um Matt, um I I want to go back to those pro football focus rankings on middle of the road on Luminor and and Vanroen. um is middle of the road is like 32 33 cuz there’s 64 starting guards. Is that is that about where you had him? Is that where they had him? Do you remember? Uh I mean I can look up exactly where you were. Um so here PFF for Illumidor that said that there was 140 offensive tackles eligible. Yeah. and he was 65th, which is a little bit above the midpoint. Well, it’s the midpoint on non-starters. Uh I mean 65 there’s 64 starters. He was 65. Matt, they’re saying I mean he’s outside he’s outside the he’s outside the the top half. I mean the guy’s at the bottom. You go to 140. They had a minimum number of snaps and there are a lot of injuries around the league. That’s why there’s 140 rated obviously, but but when I look at 65, off the top of your head, do you remember where they had u I’m not knocking the offensive line here. I just want to put this all in perspective. Um, who was the other guy, Van Ren? Do do you remember the number was that in the 60s also? I mean, if you got two starters in the 60s and you got I think Schmidz, remember there’s only one center per team, obviously. They had Schmidz at 26. You begin to see why they had the whole offensive line rated at 28 when those three guys are so high. Yeah, but I thought maybe you were talking 18 or 19. L, let me let me get you to push the brakes half a second here. Sure. Sure. Sure. The problem is, and I stated this, I thought very clearly, when the Giants offensive line was intact, I’d love to know what their grades were for those players. There you go. Okay, that’s that’s another way to look at it. But the point I wanted to make on this, if they’re as as low as that, and I’m I’m going to use that terminology, Matt, if they’re as low as that, the the other two guys on the left side better be a lot better. I I I mean, you can’t go with with 63 and 64, right? And a 26 at a position. Thomas is going to be one position player. Holy cow. It’s not it they th those numbers, you know, you haven’t played very well with those kinds of numbers, but but let me let me let me move on. Thank you for clarifying, Matt. I appreciate it. Um, who who do you think starts at right guard? I mean, you think Ryan Roen’s going to start again or is he just here as that backup two position player as of are they that high on on who is the undrafted free agent Kubas? Are they that high on Kubas? Now, I do know that Kubas is liked inside this building very much. He didn’t play much last year, but there’s a reason why he’s stick stuck around. They do like him. Now, I don’t think he’s being right now pencled in as like the starting guard. I think as of right now, two days before training camp starts, Van Rhoden certainly has the early, you know, is the early favorite to win that spot. But that I mean, Van Rooden himself said it when he spoke to the media, I think it was like two months ago during OTAAS. They are all competing. It is a straightup competition for that, especially that starting right guard spot. Van Rhoden does not seem like he’s going into training camp thinking I’m the I’m the starter no matter what. No matter what happens the next month, it’s going to be a strong competition between him, Neil, and Kubas for sure. Yeah. But I do think as of right now, I think Van Rhoden would probably be the favorite given how he played last year and the fact that Yeah, he’s the only one that played every single snap last year. Yeah. Yeah. I I I would think the the first day of training camp, the first time the the starting offensive line goes out there, it’s probably going to be Van Wrote and then you see what happens after that. Yeah. Um Paul, I agree with your point yesterday on Bo. Um he’s probably the ninth lineman and is is likely not to get a uniform very often unless we get hit with injuries. Yeah. Um which leads me to say the following. I I don’t see how Isudu makes this team. I I just even if they go to 10, they resign Stinny for a reason and they gave him a lot of money. I I just don’t see how Azudu is going to make this team. Len, the only thing I can say is they’re going to keep the best nine or best 10, whatever it is, and then there’s a practice squad. Now, look, I’m not trying to be funny, but the guys who don’t make the 53 along the Giants offensive line, they may not find a claim somewhere else in the league. And so I and so there’s a real chance that two or three of these guys wind up coming back on the practice squad anyway. And as long as they’re still in the building, you still have to consider them as part of the potential equation. Yeah. Yeah. I watched a little tape um I I watched a little tape on Hudson. I know you talked about him yesterday. Um now look, I’m I’m no offensive line guru. I’m not going to pretend that I am. But one of the things that I like to do is if they bring in a new player, I try to find some kind of tape to look at. And my my observation, I mean, he he is what we know he is. He’s the swing tackle. You know, hopefully Thomas is healthy and aluminum on the other side and you know, okay, you know, we’ll go with that, especially with Andrew who’s going to make who would make a big difference. But I mean, he’s the he’s the third tackle. you you when I looked at that tape, you just you have to hope he he doesn’t play a whole lot ball. He’s better on the left than he is on the right. And from a as a run blocking standpoint, he’s he’s he’s just mediocre. I mean, he’s the third tackle. That’s what he is. We know what we got. He’s better than a zudu at left tackle. That’s for sure. He may not have been as good as a Luminor at left tackle, but he’s better than Isudu. And as you look at it, that’s that’s that’s probably a gain for us. One thing he does that just kind of shocked me, guys. You know how we look at Lane Johnson get into pass blocking position and we say he’s offside. You know how he jumps? Mhm. He’s terrific at that. Hudson does the same thing. Have you noticed that, Paul? Yes, I have. Oh my goodness. He gets he gets out of his stance as quick as anybody we’ve ever had. I think that’s why they like him there and that’s why they prioritized him in free agency. Yeah. Yeah. I will say this, Lyn, none none of the tackles, the backup tackles on this team um are are going to make me forget about Bob Whitfield or Shawn Llear, who and and I’m not saying that to be funny, but you remember in the last 20 years, you know, those were probably two of the best, you know, number three tackles we’ve had on this roster. Absolutely, Paul. Absolutely. I agree with you on that. I agree with you. But but still, you know, the hope is he doesn’t get to play too much. I mean, we need we need to, you know, we need Andrew. The drop off is, you know, pretty I want to try to get to our comments from the YouTube if you don’t mind because we were a little bit late getting. Go for it. Go for it. Go see. Go. Thanks for taking my call. Thanks, L. All right, let’s go to YouTube comments because uh we were we were a bit late getting on and we had some technical troubles and so you got a lot of people here who wrote in and this is really cool because we don’t get a lot of these writeins usually but we got a bunch today. So let’s go through a few of these. Ty play says I wonder how Dante Turbo Miller looks at this time. Honestly would love to see him make it into the lineup. I think he is fighting with Eric Gray for that fourth running back spot on the 53. May the best man win. They both have different traits. Miller is more of a speed guy and a quicks guy and Gray is a little bit more of a of a physical guy, but right now I don’t know that I could handicap that one. Yeah. And I mean for both of them that competition in general, I mean they’re both fighting to show the coaching staff why there even should be a fourth running back on the team because that is not far from guaranteed that they’ll carry four running backs is possible. But we don’t know that for sure. If the coaching staff is going into training camp thinking we’re likely only taking three, then that makes that, you know, Dante and Gray, Eric Gray is also that makes, you know, expectations even higher for them in order to make the team. Like they’re going to have to show a lot over the next six weeks then if the coaching staff is only thinking three guys. So yeah, that the I would I’m pretty safe to think Tracy Scataboo and likely Deon Singleary given his contract are making the team. You got three guys for sure. Yeah, but you know Dante Miller is definitely one of those guys I could see if he doesn’t make the team that the team would have interest in bringing back on the practice squad for sure. A Cruz says, “Anybody else want to see Elijah Chapman’s athletic ability used elsewhere because the Dline room is pretty full? I’d love to see packages with him at fullback. Uh he told me last year when I talked to him privately, uh he has already told the coaches he’d love to get the ball at fullback some. Didn’t know if they were going to do it last season. They did not. I don’t think they’re too anxious to do it, period. But you never know. You never know. I I do agree. I would love I’d love to see Elijah Chapman just about anywhere on the field, whether it’s he’s a fun dude. Defense on anywhere on the line, fullback. I mean, it’s pretty commonly accepted with the players on the team. He is considered to be one of, if not the strongest players on this team, pound-for-pound, pound-for-pound. And that’s coming from his teammates that have been saying that, not just us who love Elijah Chapman. So, I would love to see him out there basically lining up at any position. All right, Tai plays also comes back says, “Honestly, some solid quarterback play this year and we take a huge leap. How often did we see receivers having to go back to catch a ball? uh hurt yak yardage. Understood. Russell Wilson is not going to underthrow receivers. I guarantee you that. We don’t we don’t need to go anywhere else with that. If Wandell has the same number of catches as he did last year, I can guarantee you it’ll be for a large margin more yards than what he had last year. Roger Little says, “We just need to hang on with the receivers long enough.” He’s talking about the secondary to let the front seven do their job. Well, you know, that’s the other part to this. If the gentleman from ESPN was so affusive in his praise for the Giants front seven, he should have also said to himself, “Well, look, the secondary, they just signed a couple of really highric guys. Some of their young guys played well, and if the front seven’s going to be that good, that’s also going to help the secondary be better.” 100%. And it also helps that two of your best guys up front, and I’m just talking about the edge guys and Burns and now Abdul Carter, are known for getting to the quarterback very quickly. Exactly. Under 2.5 seconds. All right, we’re going to go real quick through these cuz I know you people put them in there and I’m I’m not going to sign off till we get to them. So, I’m Let me go through quickly. Chris says, “Do you think the Giants need uh need to play more press coverage for the defense to be successful?” Look, I think given the talent that they have on this team now, you’ll see more of that. And as long as they execute properly, the answer is yes. But you’ve got to execute it because if you don’t execute it properly and you wind up having busted coverages or guys who don’t play the receiver correctly now you get burned. It’s that simple. Yeah. Jamal Jones says, “Who’s going to practice on Wednesday?” Well, we don’t have that that list yet. We do not. I can tell you that come Wednesday, Daves and Joe are both speaking to the media. They will probably say who, if anyone is starting on the pup list. It’s there’s likely going to be some guys. that doesn’t necessarily mean that they’re going to miss time. Last year, we saw guys start training camp on PUP, got activated within a week, and were completely ready to go for week one. So, there will be some, I guess, injury status updates on Wednesday, but just because a guy gets thrown on pup on Wednesday does not mean that he’s for sure going to miss time come the regular season. In other words, there could be some slow ramp ups. Don’t panic. Yes, we still got some time before week one. Little Gio says, “Russell Wilson is winning most close games easily.” Well, I’ll say this. He certainly knows how to pull close games out of the fire, but easily. I hope so. That’d be great. I I certainly hope you’re right. I don’t think my stress level needs any more nailbiters. Okay. Jamal Jones, I think the O line will be improved on the basis that they’re going against a potentially top 10 defensive line all camp. That’s the old theory that iron sharpens iron. So, in theory, yes, there’s certainly a possibility of that. And not only that, but just improve play from the defense overall is going to help the offense overall because it’s going to give the offense more, you know, let them get on the field quicker in between drives as opposed to the defense, the Giants defense constantly having to be out there because the offense keeps going three and out like we saw a lot. How about not having to play from behind all the time? That is obviously a big one as well. Not playing from two scores down every single game will certainly help the O line. Mark B says line needs continuity and communication. You get that with the same crew. definitely need serviceable death. Bracillo is elevating that line. Martin Janeiro says, “I have to guess that Sne is helping out also.” Both of those comments have a lot of validity. Roger Little says, “X factor would be Cam.” Cam Scataboo as the X-factor. Ran for 21 touchdowns last year. I think at the very least, if he does not have a larger role on this offense, he will be the short yardage and goal lineback. I would predict that right now. Yeah. I don’t know if I go so far as to call him an X factor. I think they’re just bigger X-factors, but he certainly has the potential to have a big impact on the offense this year. James O’Keefe says, “In general, the Giants are flying under the radar in the NFL. If we stay healthy, the Giants can catch a lot of people by surprise.” James, that’s why we discussed this national column early this this morning on the program. We wanted to show you perception versus reality. A lot of people outside the building just don’t have a firm grip on reality. They have a very sketchy and blurry perception of what this roster is. And I all I say to that is let them think what they want because I feel like a lot of people in this building like it better when yeah there aren’t too much expectations and then they go out and surprise everyone by playing well. And I can tell you expectations inside the building. Not the same as the expectations from the national media. Mark B says X Factor could be JMS and Neil. Okay fine. You mentioned that. Jan Bogaki says, “We need to get push on O line and Dline. It needs to be blood on the dance floor.” Well, that would be rugby, not pro football. Then we need or perhaps UFC. Then we need some sticky frog hands, safeties, and cornerbacks. Uh, all right. Stick them was outlawed in the NFL decades ago. They no longer have stickum, but you older folks will know what I mean. Also, Jan saying, “We need to make quarterbacks sweat and fear interceptions.” Mark B says height will take off this season courtesy of Russ Wilson and uh James Winston. James O’Keefe says tight ends have been underutilized in the offense. Mark B says man hurts blocking machine definitely need that on the line. Jamal Jones says uh the feeling of knowing we can pass the ball this year is so exciting. And James O’Keefe finally pulling up the rear with the last comment. This roster finally has depth and competition for starters. Should be an interesting camp. That is the best possible comment we could end this program on. 100%. I mean, we’ve discussed you and I, John and I, I’m sure you and John countless times over the last couple of months that for the first time in at least a few years, Giants likely have guys that are not going to make this team that are going to get looks from other teams around the league, which in previous years, most of the guys the Giants would cut would end up not on a team or bouncing around potential practice squad getting picked up, you know, two months later. This year the Giants are gonna have some guys not make the team that other teams are going to be looking immediately to claim off waiverss and get on their squad and that is a sign of a improving roster. All I can say is watch your preseason games carefully because there’s a lot of roster spots that are going to be really really hotly contested for and every preseason snap is going to matter all the way down to the final preseason snap and the third and final preseason game. Those are important snaps for every one of these guys. It’s going to be unbelievably difficult, I think, to figure out the Rubik’s cube of the final 53. Yeah. And just adding even more to the complexion of that is that you got to keep in mind until was it week three, four of the regular season, the Giants are number three on the waiver priority list, which means a high claim, which means when cut down day comes and every team gets down to 53 players, the Giants are going to have the third highest priority of every single one of those players. So that leaves the Giants in a good position to potentially add even more depth at certain positions come the end of training camp. All right, folks. We are back live for the next couple of weeks at 200 p.m. Eastern time. That is correct. 2:00 p.m. Eastern time for 1 hour live talk about New York Giants football here on Big Blue Kickoff Live from the Giants podcast studio presented by Hackinack Meridian Health. Keep getting better. Our number is always 2011939-4513. For Matt, I’m Paul. This has been Big Lou Kickoff Live presented by Cadillac, the official luxury vehicle of the New York Football Giants. We’ll see you next time.
Matt Citak and Paul Dottino chat about the perception vs reality on the Giants roster, discuss Giants x-factors, and take calls from fans. Presented by Cadillac.
00:00 – Perception vs reality on roster
42:12 – Calls
50:00 – Offensive line
58:22 – Comments from fans
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I tried to recreate a scene from a romance movie where they make out in the rain. Turns out, kissing in the rain is more like being licked by a giant wet dog👄
I would like to see this Line up: RT Eluemunor, RG GVR/Mbow, C JMS, LG E Neal, LT AT
It’s camp week!
Gray needs to go! Enough ok
Hey, us against the world! Let everybody underestimate us!
Excited to be counting down to pitchers n catchers 2026 by October again lol