We could’ve traded Fedde for a decent haul this offseason but noooooooo
Mozeliak is such a fucking joke. Good riddance
I can’t believe Mo actually did. Holy shit. My spirits are lifted from rock bottom
Glad we got to sit through about four starts too many to get to this point.
Please, save the “why aren’t fans in the stands” posts from here on out. This is a prime example of why fans are staying away. Every fifth day until almost August? Nope.
Sucks that it didn’t work out but it had to happen. Good luck to Fedde on wherever his career takes him.
Now do mikolas
It’s finally over.
Thank heavens! Too bad it’s far too late. Mozeliak is an idiot.
Absolute malpractice to not trade Fedde last offseason.
About a month late
Who is the front office going to trade now for a bag of peanuts?
Sure glad we didn’t trade him in the off-season.
Where does the Edman for Fedde trade fit in the Alcantera, Arozarena pantheon of gut punch bad trades?
I didn’t like that they traded for him in the first place. He had Mikolas Pt. 2 written all over him. Now if only we could somehow get rid of Pt. 1…
His last start with the cardinals came against the worst team in modern MLB era. That is quite embarrassing.
I won’t be looking back at the Mozeliak era very fondly. I honestly don’t remember the last decent trade he made.
What an abject failure of asset management. Absolutely disgusting how this situation was handled. Hope this isn’t the end of Fedde’s career though.
Crazy. He had a 3.54 ERA up until a month ago. That’s 15 starts of solid performance. At the time, the lowest mark in the rotation. He’s 1 of 9 pitchers in baseball with a shutout this year.
I guess his arm just blew out. It is what it is.
At least we’ve seen some good out of Libertore and McGreevy. Fedde may have otherwise been an extension candidate in the early going.
Do we get loyalty points for Greyhounding people to Memphis?
We’ll always have that beautiful May day in Washington, D.C., to fondly look back upon.
And that was about it.
Bye bye
🎶 baby won’t you come my waaayyyyy
cause you’re being DFAAAAAAAAA’D 🎶
I was at his CGSO in Washington in May. He shoved. Amazing how he was absolute ass aside from then.
What’s wild is that just 5 starts ago (15 starts into the season) he was sitting on a 3.54 ERA.
I hope Mo’s incipient ceremonial red jacket has Walt Jocketty’s coat tails embroidered onto it, so Mo can ride them one last time. What a disaster of a trade.
I keep hearing that Helsley doesn’t have anywhere near the value he would have had last offseason. I agree it is less now, but he has been pitching great his last 9 appearances, 9 IP, 1 ER, 1.00 ERA, 7 SO, 2 BB.
Teams know this, we could get a lot of value at the trading deadline for him especially to a contender and playoffs with his extra arm 8th inning or closer. I believe he will be gone by next Thursday with a decent return.
Wonder if anyone will pick him up or if he’s done
Damn, the last game I got to go to was his start against the Dodgers. He was riding that “bend but don’t break” mentality all game and shutout one of the best offenses in baseball through 5.1 innings. I was honestly surprised how he did it. I guess that was the last of whatever was in his gas tank, cuz he’s fallen into the abyss since then. Wish things could’ve been different, Feddster.
I was at last night’s game in Colorado sitting behind home plate, very upset for paying a premium to watch this guy the one time StL is in town this year.
His stuff looked extremely hittable and I was thinking this HAD to be his last chance.
Maybe I’ll buy an expensive ticket for Mikolas’ next outing???
How did he lose it so quick. Mechanics or is pitching coach to take some blame?
I do feel bad for the guy, honestly. He seems like a good dude who just couldn’t put it back together once things started going off the tracks. I hope for nothing but the best for him moving forward.
So, I am seeing a lot of “let’s release Mikolas next” posts in this thread, and I do not necessarily disagree but thought you guys might enjoy some stats. I posted this in r/baseball, so I am just gonna copy and paste what I wrote over there.
Let me preface this with saying that I don’t really like Mikolas and would prefer to give some of our young pitchers innings instead of him.
This will be a bit long winded, but stick with me. Prior to the All Star break, I wondered just how bad Miles and Fedde had been. I know they had some absolutely horrible outings, but could have sworn there were bright spots in there. So, I pulled down their stats from the start of the season through 7/4/2025. This is what I noticed.
Miles overall stats looked horrible, but in reality in his 17 GS he only had 4 horrid starts. 4/6/25, 6/10/25, 6/8/25, and 7/4/25. Those four starts accounted for 23% of his starts this season, and totaled a 14.27 ERA in 17.1 innings pitched. He gave up 9 home runs in those 17 innings to go along with 28 Earned Runs and averaged a little over 4 innings per start.
That all seems bad, but check out the stats for his other 13 starts:
69.2 Innings Pitched
60 Hits
18 Walks
6 Home Runs
1.11 WHIP
2.97 ERA
Average of 5.1 Innings Pitched per start
All this to say, in 77% of his starts up to July 4th, Mikolas ate innings and pitched very well. The Four games he pitched horribly in, we ended up leaving him in to eat innings and get stomped. Overall he has been an okay pitcher this year for the majority of the time. Does okay = $18 mil? Probably not.
Also, Miles has had 2 starts since 7/4. One start he went 5.2 Innings pitched and gave up 2 hits 1 bb and 0 ER. The other start 4 IP 4 hits 2 bb 5 ER.
TLDR: For the majority of the time this year, Miles has had stats that warrant him getting starts.
Too bad they haven’t dfa’ed mikolas, marmol and Mozeliak.
The move had to be made. Maybe the Cardinals should have traded him last off season or DFA’d him earlier. They gave him time to turn it around. He tried his best. Very few make it to MLB because it’s not easy. At least they didn’t give him an extension like they gave Mikolas a few years back. Best of luck to Fedde.
If John Mozeliak had stepped away around 2017, most of us would be praising him as the guy who kept the Cardinals from falling off a cliff after the Jocketty era. I would. He would’ve gone out with a solid resume, plenty of playoff appearances, and the image of a competent, contemporary baseball executive who knew how to keep a team relevant. People would’ve brought up the continuity, the winning records, the organizational stability while singing his praises and probably lamenting his leaving. Instead, he stuck around. And each year since, his reputation has eroded away more and more. It’s not one colossal failure, it’s death by a hundred cuts: bad signings, weak trades, and an approach to roster building that’s woefully outdated. The more you look at the recent track record, the more it seems like what looked savvy at the time was really just inherited momentum from Walt Jocketty and co.
Mozeliak walked into a great situation. Jocketty built a playoff-ready core, and Jeff Luhnow revolutionized the team’s scouting and development. For a while, that machine kept humming. Mozeliak mostly stayed out of its way, occasionally making smart mid-level moves that kept the Cardinals in the mix. But once that talent pipeline dried up and Luhnow left, the front office started looking lost. The drafts stopped producing anything meaningful. The pitching depth, once a clear organizational strength, cratered. Big league holes were filled with bargain-bin vets who added nothing but payroll clutter. And those splashy signings that were supposed to patch things up, Fowler, Cecil, Miller, and Matz, ended up being expensive reminders of a front office that had lost its edge.
Also worth mentioning is that Mike Matheny was Mo’s boy, and while he personally deserves heaps of blame in the decline of this organization, his legacy is partially Mo’s. His managerial record and failure to recognize who David Ortiz is speak for themselves, but reports say that the two “finalists” for the job after TLR retired were Matheny and Terry Francona. Mo, if you can believe it, hired the inexperienced guy from inside the organization instead of the proven winner from outside of it. I think this was the first big crack in the foundation. DeWitt fired Matheny because being around .500 isn’t good enough for the St. Louis Cardinals (lol in retrospect, lmao even), and Mike Shildt was given an opportunity to manage in the interim, and he won himself into a job. I don’t think Shildt is Earl Weaver reborn, but his record speaks for itself, too. Then Mo gave Shildt an extension after the 2019 season. How much did Mo know about Shildt’s philosophy then? Then, again, Mo knew better and fired Shildt, picking an inexperienced internal hire over a proven winner. Sound familiar?
At this point, the FO’s identity has been based on pretending they know better, and that treading water is some kind of competitive strategy. The Mo, Grisch and co sell “runway” and “internal options” like they’re new ideas. Meanwhile, other teams are actually improving. The Cardinals keep rolling out replacement-level arms and hoping to hang around the WC3 bubble long enough to call it a success. It’s not, and thinking otherwise is insulting. And we’re supposed to buy into it because, technically, they’re still “in the race” in July.
Contrary to what the smoothbrains around here tell you, Cardinals fans aren’t unrealistic or spoiled. We just have functioning eyes. We’ve watched this team settle into a version of itself that’s allergic to risk and addicted to self-congratulation. The bar keeps getting lower, and we’re supposed to pretend it hasn’t moved. It’s honestly wild in retrospect. The front office wants credit for keeping the team above or around .500, but offers no accountability when they get bounced before the real games begin. “Competing” has become the buzzword that replaces actual ambition. I’ve been shouting for a rebuild since July 2023 and, frankly, this is vindicating.
The uncritical Mo bootworshippers only compound my frustration. These people, who somehow still treat him like a misunderstood genius playing a deeper game, are out there clinging to the Goldschmidt and Arenado trades like those two moves offset all of the dogshit they willfully fail to remember. These little goobers frame every move as part of a process that only they can see, and if you question it, you’re labeled as irrational or impatient. It’s cult-level rationalizing. They act like criticizing the front office is some kind of betrayal, as if pointing out obvious flaws means you don’t understand how baseball works. Hopefully, they really did believe in this plan because now they get to own it. I know I am.
The Cardinals are stuck in a no man’s land of their own making. They’re not rebuilding, and they’re not contending; they’re just existing. And no amount of “competitive window” talk or goalpost moving can spin this into something smart. If anything, the last few years have made the best case yet FOR tanking. Having so many seasons above .500 and $1 will get you a pack of gum. Meanwhile, teams who did a proper rebuild, like Astros and Braves, have had playoff successes and even won WS. Meanwhile, the Cardinals were over .500 from 2018-2022! Aren’t you impressed!
Mozeliak could’ve gone out with people like me calling him one of the best to ever run the team. Instead, because of nothing but his own hubris, he’s the face of a front office that lost its way. No one’s building a statue anytime soon. No one’s putting together a video montage. This whole thing will end with a shrug, some boos, and a lingering sense of wondering what could’ve been if the team had just known when to move on.
Fedde sold his soul for 2 years of mowing down Koreans so he could get contracts back home and then we ended up with him for TOMMY EDMAN, the best half-Korean the Cards will ever see only in time for the Devil to come cashing in once Fedde got here.
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Dude had a 5.5 war season last year wtf happened
Also Mikolas has nuclear codes or something
My king Granillo
The bad man is gone
THANK GOD
Now do Mikolas
We could’ve traded Fedde for a decent haul this offseason but noooooooo
Mozeliak is such a fucking joke. Good riddance
I can’t believe Mo actually did. Holy shit. My spirits are lifted from rock bottom
Glad we got to sit through about four starts too many to get to this point.
Please, save the “why aren’t fans in the stands” posts from here on out. This is a prime example of why fans are staying away. Every fifth day until almost August? Nope.
Sucks that it didn’t work out but it had to happen. Good luck to Fedde on wherever his career takes him.
Now do mikolas
It’s finally over.
Thank heavens! Too bad it’s far too late. Mozeliak is an idiot.
Absolute malpractice to not trade Fedde last offseason.
About a month late
Who is the front office going to trade now for a bag of peanuts?
Sure glad we didn’t trade him in the off-season.
Where does the Edman for Fedde trade fit in the Alcantera, Arozarena pantheon of gut punch bad trades?
I didn’t like that they traded for him in the first place. He had Mikolas Pt. 2 written all over him. Now if only we could somehow get rid of Pt. 1…
His last start with the cardinals came against the worst team in modern MLB era. That is quite embarrassing.
I won’t be looking back at the Mozeliak era very fondly. I honestly don’t remember the last decent trade he made.
What an abject failure of asset management. Absolutely disgusting how this situation was handled. Hope this isn’t the end of Fedde’s career though.
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Only cost us 10 wins
Crazy. He had a 3.54 ERA up until a month ago. That’s 15 starts of solid performance. At the time, the lowest mark in the rotation. He’s 1 of 9 pitchers in baseball with a shutout this year.
I guess his arm just blew out. It is what it is.
At least we’ve seen some good out of Libertore and McGreevy. Fedde may have otherwise been an extension candidate in the early going.
Do we get loyalty points for Greyhounding people to Memphis?
We’ll always have that beautiful May day in Washington, D.C., to fondly look back upon.
And that was about it.
Bye bye
🎶 baby won’t you come my waaayyyyy
cause you’re being DFAAAAAAAAA’D 🎶
I was at his CGSO in Washington in May. He shoved. Amazing how he was absolute ass aside from then.
What’s wild is that just 5 starts ago (15 starts into the season) he was sitting on a 3.54 ERA.
I hope Mo’s incipient ceremonial red jacket has Walt Jocketty’s coat tails embroidered onto it, so Mo can ride them one last time. What a disaster of a trade.
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I feel bad for him, but this had to be done. It gets michael mcgreevy, a permanent spot in the rotation, so that’s a big win.
Reason #9291839 why Mo should have been walked about 3 years ago.
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Mikolas should have been gone 2 contracts aho
I keep hearing that Helsley doesn’t have anywhere near the value he would have had last offseason. I agree it is less now, but he has been pitching great his last 9 appearances, 9 IP, 1 ER, 1.00 ERA, 7 SO, 2 BB.
Teams know this, we could get a lot of value at the trading deadline for him especially to a contender and playoffs with his extra arm 8th inning or closer. I believe he will be gone by next Thursday with a decent return.
Wonder if anyone will pick him up or if he’s done
Damn, the last game I got to go to was his start against the Dodgers. He was riding that “bend but don’t break” mentality all game and shutout one of the best offenses in baseball through 5.1 innings. I was honestly surprised how he did it. I guess that was the last of whatever was in his gas tank, cuz he’s fallen into the abyss since then. Wish things could’ve been different, Feddster.
I was at last night’s game in Colorado sitting behind home plate, very upset for paying a premium to watch this guy the one time StL is in town this year.
His stuff looked extremely hittable and I was thinking this HAD to be his last chance.
Maybe I’ll buy an expensive ticket for Mikolas’ next outing???
How did he lose it so quick. Mechanics or is pitching coach to take some blame?
I do feel bad for the guy, honestly. He seems like a good dude who just couldn’t put it back together once things started going off the tracks. I hope for nothing but the best for him moving forward.
So, I am seeing a lot of “let’s release Mikolas next” posts in this thread, and I do not necessarily disagree but thought you guys might enjoy some stats. I posted this in r/baseball, so I am just gonna copy and paste what I wrote over there.
Let me preface this with saying that I don’t really like Mikolas and would prefer to give some of our young pitchers innings instead of him.
This will be a bit long winded, but stick with me. Prior to the All Star break, I wondered just how bad Miles and Fedde had been. I know they had some absolutely horrible outings, but could have sworn there were bright spots in there. So, I pulled down their stats from the start of the season through 7/4/2025. This is what I noticed.
Miles overall stats looked horrible, but in reality in his 17 GS he only had 4 horrid starts. 4/6/25, 6/10/25, 6/8/25, and 7/4/25. Those four starts accounted for 23% of his starts this season, and totaled a 14.27 ERA in 17.1 innings pitched. He gave up 9 home runs in those 17 innings to go along with 28 Earned Runs and averaged a little over 4 innings per start.
That all seems bad, but check out the stats for his other 13 starts:
69.2 Innings Pitched
60 Hits
18 Walks
6 Home Runs
1.11 WHIP
2.97 ERA
Average of 5.1 Innings Pitched per start
All this to say, in 77% of his starts up to July 4th, Mikolas ate innings and pitched very well. The Four games he pitched horribly in, we ended up leaving him in to eat innings and get stomped. Overall he has been an okay pitcher this year for the majority of the time. Does okay = $18 mil? Probably not.
Also, Miles has had 2 starts since 7/4. One start he went 5.2 Innings pitched and gave up 2 hits 1 bb and 0 ER. The other start 4 IP 4 hits 2 bb 5 ER.
TLDR: For the majority of the time this year, Miles has had stats that warrant him getting starts.
Too bad they haven’t dfa’ed mikolas, marmol and Mozeliak.
The move had to be made. Maybe the Cardinals should have traded him last off season or DFA’d him earlier. They gave him time to turn it around. He tried his best. Very few make it to MLB because it’s not easy. At least they didn’t give him an extension like they gave Mikolas a few years back. Best of luck to Fedde.
If John Mozeliak had stepped away around 2017, most of us would be praising him as the guy who kept the Cardinals from falling off a cliff after the Jocketty era. I would. He would’ve gone out with a solid resume, plenty of playoff appearances, and the image of a competent, contemporary baseball executive who knew how to keep a team relevant. People would’ve brought up the continuity, the winning records, the organizational stability while singing his praises and probably lamenting his leaving. Instead, he stuck around. And each year since, his reputation has eroded away more and more. It’s not one colossal failure, it’s death by a hundred cuts: bad signings, weak trades, and an approach to roster building that’s woefully outdated. The more you look at the recent track record, the more it seems like what looked savvy at the time was really just inherited momentum from Walt Jocketty and co.
Mozeliak walked into a great situation. Jocketty built a playoff-ready core, and Jeff Luhnow revolutionized the team’s scouting and development. For a while, that machine kept humming. Mozeliak mostly stayed out of its way, occasionally making smart mid-level moves that kept the Cardinals in the mix. But once that talent pipeline dried up and Luhnow left, the front office started looking lost. The drafts stopped producing anything meaningful. The pitching depth, once a clear organizational strength, cratered. Big league holes were filled with bargain-bin vets who added nothing but payroll clutter. And those splashy signings that were supposed to patch things up, Fowler, Cecil, Miller, and Matz, ended up being expensive reminders of a front office that had lost its edge.
Also worth mentioning is that Mike Matheny was Mo’s boy, and while he personally deserves heaps of blame in the decline of this organization, his legacy is partially Mo’s. His managerial record and failure to recognize who David Ortiz is speak for themselves, but reports say that the two “finalists” for the job after TLR retired were Matheny and Terry Francona. Mo, if you can believe it, hired the inexperienced guy from inside the organization instead of the proven winner from outside of it. I think this was the first big crack in the foundation. DeWitt fired Matheny because being around .500 isn’t good enough for the St. Louis Cardinals (lol in retrospect, lmao even), and Mike Shildt was given an opportunity to manage in the interim, and he won himself into a job. I don’t think Shildt is Earl Weaver reborn, but his record speaks for itself, too. Then Mo gave Shildt an extension after the 2019 season. How much did Mo know about Shildt’s philosophy then? Then, again, Mo knew better and fired Shildt, picking an inexperienced internal hire over a proven winner. Sound familiar?
At this point, the FO’s identity has been based on pretending they know better, and that treading water is some kind of competitive strategy. The Mo, Grisch and co sell “runway” and “internal options” like they’re new ideas. Meanwhile, other teams are actually improving. The Cardinals keep rolling out replacement-level arms and hoping to hang around the WC3 bubble long enough to call it a success. It’s not, and thinking otherwise is insulting. And we’re supposed to buy into it because, technically, they’re still “in the race” in July.
Contrary to what the smoothbrains around here tell you, Cardinals fans aren’t unrealistic or spoiled. We just have functioning eyes. We’ve watched this team settle into a version of itself that’s allergic to risk and addicted to self-congratulation. The bar keeps getting lower, and we’re supposed to pretend it hasn’t moved. It’s honestly wild in retrospect. The front office wants credit for keeping the team above or around .500, but offers no accountability when they get bounced before the real games begin. “Competing” has become the buzzword that replaces actual ambition. I’ve been shouting for a rebuild since July 2023 and, frankly, this is vindicating.
The uncritical Mo bootworshippers only compound my frustration. These people, who somehow still treat him like a misunderstood genius playing a deeper game, are out there clinging to the Goldschmidt and Arenado trades like those two moves offset all of the dogshit they willfully fail to remember. These little goobers frame every move as part of a process that only they can see, and if you question it, you’re labeled as irrational or impatient. It’s cult-level rationalizing. They act like criticizing the front office is some kind of betrayal, as if pointing out obvious flaws means you don’t understand how baseball works. Hopefully, they really did believe in this plan because now they get to own it. I know I am.
The Cardinals are stuck in a no man’s land of their own making. They’re not rebuilding, and they’re not contending; they’re just existing. And no amount of “competitive window” talk or goalpost moving can spin this into something smart. If anything, the last few years have made the best case yet FOR tanking. Having so many seasons above .500 and $1 will get you a pack of gum. Meanwhile, teams who did a proper rebuild, like Astros and Braves, have had playoff successes and even won WS. Meanwhile, the Cardinals were over .500 from 2018-2022! Aren’t you impressed!
Mozeliak could’ve gone out with people like me calling him one of the best to ever run the team. Instead, because of nothing but his own hubris, he’s the face of a front office that lost its way. No one’s building a statue anytime soon. No one’s putting together a video montage. This whole thing will end with a shrug, some boos, and a lingering sense of wondering what could’ve been if the team had just known when to move on.
Fedde sold his soul for 2 years of mowing down Koreans so he could get contracts back home and then we ended up with him for TOMMY EDMAN, the best half-Korean the Cards will ever see only in time for the Devil to come cashing in once Fedde got here.
5 starts too late.