Ryan McDonagh Trade Rumors: Do the Tampa Bay Lightning NEED a Big Deal to Shake Up the Blueline?

All right, let’s rock and roll. Ryan Mcdana is in the center of trade rumors, but does it make sense for the Tampa Bay Lightning to trade away one of their biggest defenseman? We’ll talk about it today on the Locked On Lightning podcast. You’re Locked on Lightning, your daily podcast on the Tampa Bay Lightning, part of the Locked On podcast network, your team every day. Thank you for making the Locked On Lightning Podcast, your first listen every single day. We are your free daily Tampa Bay Lightning podcast, part of the Lockdown Podcast Network, your team every day. As always, want to start out by saluting our everydayers, the people who tune in to every single show every single day. We love you. We appreciate the support you give us week in week out. I’m Nick Morgan and I am joined by the Dan Bole to my Pavl Kubina, Greg Steven. Greg, how’s it going, man? Excellent. And you are on point with those. Yeah. Oh, we have an entire season to get through. Some of them will not be Tampa Bay Lightning related, I’m sure. Uh, real quick before we get started, want to mention today’s episode is brought to you by Monarch Money. Uh, this uh, take control of your finances with Monarch Money. Use code locked on NHL at monarchmoney.com for 50% off your first year. Big show today. Uh, we alluded to it in our last show, but we’re gonna do a deep dive on the Tampa Bay Lightning defense. couple things that we would do to get the Lightning back to that defensive stalwart they were a couple of years ago. Plus, the 2025 26 schedule is out. Greg and I have some thoughts on some of the toughest spots uh that the Tampa Bay Lightning are going to have circled on their calendar uh as well as a couple of takes in there as well. First though, let’s talk about one of the big things going around in Tampa Bay Lightning lore, head cannon chat verse, whatever you call it right now. Uh, and that’s Ryan Mcdana. Now, if you talked to us after the season, uh, it seems like Ryan Mcdana was kind of going to be around for the long haul, Greg. Uh JBB was very vocal about, yeah, we’re going to we’re probably going to sign into a contract extension, just not sure when. And then suddenly couple of weeks ago, a report from uh Sportsnet’s Nick Ciprios made it seem like the Lightning would be open to trading Ryan McDonald. They didn’t say actively shopping. Uh, but it does sound like if there’s a team out there that might pick up MC D, they go for it. What’s your thoughts on that? Yeah. Um, look, I think as far as what I’ve read, it seems like Mcdana wants to stay in Tampa. I think he’s been very vocal about that as well. Um, I think the fans would like him to stay, right? Um, I think for the health of the defense, he should stay. Um, I think their disagreement probably lies somewhere with the term he’s looking for. Um, he’s an older guy at this point, right? And you got to take into consideration someone’s age when you sign a long-term contract. So, I’m sure they’re having their discussions right now. And I think, you know, this could pan out in the same fashion that Stephen Stamos’s end in the Lightning turned out, right? It’s very possible. Um, yeah, look, you got to be prepared for all the possibilities. I think the decision for the Lightning is, do we want to continue to go for it now or should we, you know, begin to look at retooling and maybe rebuilding for the future. Um, in my opinion, I think you want to keep Mcdana. Um, you want to try and keep him happy and, you know, if you sacrifice him, I don’t think you win the cup this year at all. Well, there was another kind of layer to that that you sort of brought up is this isn’t just dead weight. Ryan McDonald was one of their best defensive players last year. And I think a big reason that Tampa Bay defense got better last year and Tampa Bay kind of finished back up in towards that threat level that they had been um you know those three straight years they went to the cup final. In the two years Mcdana wasn’t here, I got some stats for you. Uh the Lightning were 17th in expected goals against, 12th in um scoring chances against. Those were in the two years Mcdana wasn’t here last year. Eighth in scoring chances against, 12th in expected goals against and then fourth in total defense, total scoring. So he was a big part in what made the Lightning defense better. And it’s one of those things that if you trade him, Greg, you suddenly have a massive hole on that blue line. Yeah, absolutely. And what he and Chernack did together this se this past season was awesome. I I mean they they were the defense, right? I mean, and brought out the best, I think, in Eric Churnack. Yeah, exactly. Exactly. And they play a different style of hockey and that pairs together so well. Um and you’d hate to see Chernack lose his guy as well, right? So, I think there’s just so many so many things with Mcdana that you want to lock him in. Um, especially given how the lack of depth for the Lightning on the defensive side is poor right now, right? So, I just it’s just a guy you can’t give up, I don’t think. Um, I think you want to just pay him what he wants, you know, as much as you can. I see Mcdana as the guy that takes the team friendly deal as well. Um, that’s all just speculation, but I I do see him as that guy. I do think he will remain in Tampa though. Yeah. 6.75 million for for this one last year. To me, I’m with you. I I don’t think it makes sense to trade Ryan Mcdana right now. There’s two I think instances where maybe you do. And that is if you find someone better who’s also cheaper this year to give you maybe more room to go make a big splash with a trade or something before the season starts or there’s a prospect out there that you just can’t pass up because I mean as much as this cup window is open you do have to kind of start looking at the Tampa prospect pool a little bit and say like okay five years from know who’s going to be the people that are the core of this team, especially on that blue line cuz beyond Victor Hedman, there there’s not a lot of depth on that defensive prospect spot in your like am I am I off base at all here? Um, is there is there an opportunity like is there anything that you would I I I guess let me rephrase it this way. Like if they trade Ryan Mcdana, is there a deal out there that makes sense? Like is there something that you would get back that you’d be like, “Okay, I could be on board with this.” Sure. I I I think absolutely is the answer, right? Um I think it depends on what the other team is asking. Um, I’d imagine if you’re going to get a good player that’s better than Mcdana, you’re coupling Mcdana with someone else, right? And, and I see that as someone in the middle of the forward pack, like Nick Paul, maybe um somewhere someone like that um would probably be dealt with him if that were the case. And I’m thinking of guys like Anderson, maybe, you know, he’s he’s been talked about, he was talked about in the free agency this past season, right? Um, guys like that I maybe would take over Mcdana just because he’s got more longevity. Um, other than that, I don’t know how much I’m really willing to give up right now for the Lightning. I do think there is probably going to be an offensive sacrifice to improve the defense this season. However, interesting. That kind of parlays into what we’re going to be talking about next, which is the one big thing we would do to fix this Tampa Bay Lightning defense. Uh they got a lot better last year, but I think we both agree, especially in that Florida Panthers series, depth is an issue. Uh so what are some of the things that we would do to help improve that defense? We’re going to be talking about that coming up in just one second. Want to mention today’s episode is brought to you by Monarch Money. Do you ever wish that managing your money felt easier? Well, with Monarch Money, it can be. Whether you’re growing your savings or planning a big purchase, Monarch puts you in the financial driver’s seat. It’s like having your own personal CFO, giving you full visibility and control over your finances. Monarch Money is a lot more than a budgeting app. It’s a complete financial command center. You can track all of your accounts, investments, and spending in one place. So, in addition to managing your money, you’re also building wealth. So, take control of your finances with Monarch Money. Use code lockdown NHL at monarchmoney.com for 50% off your first year. monarchmoney.com. Code lockdown NHL for half off your first year. We’re back on Locked on Lightning. Uh, one of the big topics was this Ryan Mcdana trade rumors that keeps popping up. Greg and I seem to be in agreement here. Doesn’t make a lot of sense to trade Ryan Mcdana right now. Uh, especially because he really shored up that blue line last year. So, that begs the question, Greg, what do we need to do to fix this defense? Um, I think if you asked me this a few months ago, I would have told you we need a coaching change big time. I think uh a lot of the positional errors were obvious this past season. Um I think the easiest solution to something like that is a coaching change. Um I also want to bring up there was an article that was released um where Sergeev talked about how the whole system was changed. Um and no one seemed to be a fan based on how Sergev was talking about it. Um and it actually led me to speculate that was part of why he was dealt. Um, speculation again, but I think coaching is the first thing. We saw them make a change already, right? So, that’s great. Um, I think now you want to go out and get a guy who is probably a veteran at this point. Um, especially with the money you have left. I don’t think you’re looking to sign someone, you know, in their prime long term. So, we’ll see. Again, I think it goes back to what I had said previously where we’re going to have to give up someone on offense, right, to to probably bring in a new defenseman that that we want to keep. Yeah. I don’t know. I I still feel like maybe this is the year you kind of look at some hodgepodge options. Okay. Because because again, I don’t know if you want to tinker with this roster too much right now. And here’s the thing. I I know you’ve talked about Nick Paul. I don’t know what he did to you, but this is the second episode in a row where you tried to trade the poor guy, Greg. I just think he’s uh the easiest target right now. I think he was excellent when he first came over. I don’t think he was bad by any means. I think he’s a great player actually. I He’s one of my favorites actually currently on the Lightning. I just think it’s realistic for them to deal him with someone else um you know, like a prospect of some kind if they want to reach big for a defenseman. I think you don’t want to give up Hegel, right? His contract is excellent. You’re not giving up Cooch Point, you know, Gensel, the obvious ones, right? So, who’s left, right? And I just I don’t really see who else you No one’s that valuable on the market other than those guys that you’re not giving up, right? So, yeah, I just think he’s the most reasonable sacrifice, if you will. Yeah, that’s fair. Uh, I do look nervously at the new Yanni Gourd contract and be like that money could have probably been spent elsewhere. But I think the the take I was trying to make is I don’t know if you really want to disrupt too much of that depth because the Lightning depth in the top nine is kind of where their strength is right now. And you know I we just talked about Ryan Mcdana and how he approved that blue line. I think a lot of the team defense improvement is also from that depth in the top nine because you have a guy a lot of guys like Oliver Borkstrand, Nick Paul as you mentioned and even yeah just roasted his contract but the addition of R Yanni Gourd last year really improved sort of the offense stepping back to help the defense and I think that is also um a key reason why the defensive stats got better. To me, if I’m looking, I’m I’m I think I’m just hodge podgeing it this year, to be honest. Or at least at the beginning of the season. Yeah. I kind of want to see like what else is out there. Like, hey, does anybody remember our boy Yan Ruda? He he’s still out there. He’s not going to command a big contract. You also have some guys out there, you know, Matt Grizzlick who’s out there, John Merrill’s out there. Um, you know, a couple of other guys like, you know, Oliver Schillington, Brendan Smith who have been veterans in this league. Yeah. I still with the what is it now like just around $3 million in cap space you have. Yep. You’re gonna be able to get at least one of those guys for way way under that amount of money. And that’s what I think you have to do this year. I think you just have to find another veteran piece on the free agent market. Maybe there’s a trade out there, too. Like maybe there’s somebody that’s, you know, maybe you swap like a fifth, sixth round pick for he’s got a one year left on his contract. Maybe you do something like that. But to me, this is I I would say unless you want to be really proactive and you’re really thinking Ryan Mcdana’s going to take a step back or worse, you think maybe Victor Hedman’s going to start showing his age at any point. That’s maybe when you make the big move. I just don’t think the Lightning are there yet, Greg. Yeah. No, I totally agree with you actually. I like what you said. You know, you go for the hodge podge and maybe later in the season there’s something there. Um, you just never know. Also is is the other thing, right? Like look at the Rangers with Trouba just total collapse this past season, right? Their whole team was just shaken up and I would never have guessed that, right? And and all of a sudden there’s guys that are available for trade for and I think it’s okay to wait right now. The team I think is strong enough as is that I’m not worried about them not making the playoffs actually as they are. So, you know, I think it’s okay to wait. I think I think he’d rather wait at this point. Yeah. No, I think and you hit the the nail on the head, I think, with that Trouba comparison is who knows what this NHL is going to look like in, you know, December, January. You don’t know which team that spent a lot of money is going to start falling apart and what players uh who you think are going to be a big part of that core are going to step out on there. To me, the biggest thing I kind of go back to what you said and coaching and I don’t necessarily think last couple years was all coaching. Um, but I do think there was a lot of disorganization on the back end. And that’s kind of where I think another veteran coming in is going to help with that because a lot of the Lightning’s breakdowns, it wasn’t from, you know, a defender just getting beat. Um, it wasn’t from, you know, Lightning just not having enough skill to match up with somebody. It was kind of like shooting themselves in the foot a little bit. Like, you know, you have and even even some guys like Victor Hedman fell victim to this a little bit where it was just, you know, him thinking his partner had his back, didn’t uh kind of in the wrong spot, guys, you know, wide open in dangerous areas because somebody’s not tracking. the communication I think just needs to get a lot better. I’m actually gonna kind of throw something against, you know, throw something against the wall right now. I want you to tell me if I’m just way off base or not. Okay. Um, you know, Victor Hedman wears the C for the first time last year. There’s different responsibilities that come with that. uh including sort of a lot more of the communication aspect in game on the bench. Is is that maybe did we see some growing pains with maybe Victor Hedman being the guy sort of commanding the ice? I actually really like that question. It’s actually not something I’ve ever really thought about. Um I would say that yes and no. Um I’m sure for him it was a lot, right? that’s something he hasn’t done yet. And I think you’re right, there’s growing pains there to some extent. Um, however, I do think a lot of the issues with the defense this past season was discipline, right? And yes, as a captain, you can bring a bit of discipline in, but he’s not the guy who’s going to bench you if you take, you know, six penalty minutes that were completely unnecessary, right? So, that’s where I believe the coaching plays a large role. Um, and let me just throw some stats at you. Okay. All right. Lillberg. Okay. I actually I actually love Lillberg. He brings a great energy. He’s very physical. He You can see he’s putting the effort in on every shift. I don’t want to take that away from the guy. Okay. But he was seventh in the NHL in penalty minutes with 105 total. Okay. The second highest on the Lightning was 58. So he had nearly double the second most on the Lightning, which was Hegel. And you have to remember Hegel got into a couple brawls, right? So 105 penalty minutes is unacceptable. I’m sorry. It just it is. Um if you want to win tight games against good teams, you can’t just give up a penalty a game. It just it’s not realistic. Um I think we saw whoever on that coaching staff made the decision when uh we had Mikey on the team, right? He was taking a few penalties that were costing the Lightning uh I think in a right before the deadline. He had two or three games in a row where, you know, it’s like, dude, you got to stop taking these penalties. They’re just completely unnecessary. And Coupe benched him, right? He didn’t do that with Lillberg. I I think he sat him once or twice for a healthy scratch, but if a guy doesn’t get the picture, you got to you got to keep giving him the picture, right? I I just You can’t just let him go out there and continue to take penalties and hurt the team. We saw him take a lot of penalties in the playoffs as well. You just can’t like the Panthers are going to capitalize on those. And if you’re going to keep taking penalties in the postseason, you’re not going to win games. Yeah. Of course, the big question was you bench Littleberg, who else is who else do you have to put in there, right? Um yeah, I I think he was very very raw last year. That’s the best way I can describe it. Um and compare him to go back to that first block, Ryan Mcdana. Sometimes I think the biggest sort of learning curve for a defenseman of that type is just the IQ of knowing like when to challenge with your stick. You know, when to finish your check, when to lay off. Um that’s something that I think Liberg needs to work on because there’s a lot of stick penalties, a lot of holdings, stuff like that. You kind of got to know if you’re going to be kind of like the big stay-at-home defenseman or sort of that defensive focused guy, then you’ve really got to know like when to challenge, when to just contain. That’s something I think maybe we’ll see an improvement um from uh from Lillberg here in year two um or or year two with the the main club. I think this is his sure third fourth total year at the lighting, but you know what I meant. Yeah. Um, so a lot of interesting ways to fix that Tampa Bay Lightning defense. Uh, if you’re, uh, listening in on YouTube, drop us a comment. Let us know what you would do to fix that Tampa Bay Lightning blue line. Uh, or if you even think they need to do anything at all to fix if you think the Lightning Blue Line is going to be solid this year, let us know that. We love hearing from you. We love, uh, receiving your comments. Speaking of things we love and things we don’t, uh the 2025 2026 Tampa Bay Lightning schedule is out. There’s a couple things we like about it and one month in particular we kind of hate about it. That’s coming up in just one second. We’re back on Locked on Lightning. the 2025 2026 NHL schedule is out. Uh the Lightning, big year for them. They’re going to be uh hosting the stadium series against the Panthers. Uh we’re excited about that. We’re actually going to be talking a little bit about that coming up in a show later this week and just kind of the popping circumstance surrounding it. Uh so tune in for that. But Greg, uh, a couple of key stretches for the Tampa Bay Lightning this year, including I think you have some stats on one of the most brutal months, not just for Tampa Bay, but for any team in the NHL this year. Yeah. Uh, March, the Lightning will play 16 games, which is the most in this upcoming season for any team in the league. Uh, that is quite a number of games to have right before the playoffs. Um, I’ll throw another one at you. They do have 15 backtobacks. 10 of those 15 backto-backs, both the games are on the road, which is very interesting as well. Um, I don’t think I would label it a disadvantage or anything like that. I think everyone has a schedule. I, you know, there’s going to be tough stretches for every team. I don’t I’m not trying to make any type of excuse, but having 16 games be, you know, in March is a tricky time for that. And uh we’ll see how they do. I know eight are away and eight are home, so they got a an even even split there at least. Yeah. You mentioned it’s right before the playoffs, too. And that’s a time where everybody’s going to want at least a little bit of rest. Uh, you also didn’t mention it’s right after the Olympic break as well. And the Tampa Bay Lightning are going to have a lot of people in the uh, you know, in the Olympic conversation as well. And not just some of the big guys, but you think about some of the players from sort of the smaller countries. Oliver Bjorkstrand’s from Denmark. He’s already been announced um, as part of the team. Eric Chernick’s been uh announced as part of team Slovakia. Zenus Gurgensson’s Latvia and then you have Hedman and Braden Point who are on there for their teams. You might get probably a few more notifications. We know Brandon Hegel’s got some experience with Canada already. So, you have a chance to have a lot of key players that are going to be playing competitive hockey while every a lot of other people in the NHL are going to get um you know, some sort of break. That to me is going to be an part of the disadvantage as well. No, I think you’re spot on. I um I think it’s interesting uh to have players play in these type of scenarios in the middle of the season, you know, because it does create a type of disadvantage, right? Some teams will have very few guys going and they can just fully rest and you know that some would consider that an advantage, some would consider that a disadvantage. Um we’ll see, right? I mean, I think it all comes down to if everyone can stay healthy. Um ultimately that is the goal. Uh so we’ll see what happens. I think also it will influence what they do, you know, with people’s contracts. So, we’ll have to wait and see. Um, but I feel optimistic. I think it’s good that we can get a good portion of the schedule at the end of the season also because by then you’ll have your team, right? And you can give the team you’re going to make your run with a good set of games to, you know, start jing together. Um, but we’ll see. I also think that I think that to your point the trade deadline I think is March 6. Sounds right this year if if I’m not correct. So the benefit of that if they do wind up making a move or have some new people coming in that they’re going to get some extra time um extra games to kind of gel before the playoffs start. Uh, and as we’ve seen around the league, like take Miko Raton in Dallas for example, um, sometimes it can take a while for new additions to get in. So, I guess the perk is having um, some extra time. So, you mentioned that’s kind of a death part of the schedule. I will mention that it’s it’s a lot of it’s going to be a lot of gains and fatigue is going to be a factor, but I will say in terms of skill that march might actually be maybe a little bit of a lighter part. I want to say uh I’m counting right now and I only count um five five maybe you know six games out of that entire March slate that are against teams that were in the playoffs last year. Um and then some of the other ones you know who who knows like it’s like for instance there’s a game against Detroit, there’s a game against Columbus, there’s a game against Seattle, Calgary. I don’t know how many of those teams are going to take a big step forward this year. So, I mean, maybe that’s the one saving grace is that there’s not a lot of games against, you know, it’s not like you’re playing Florida three times or right, you know, having to go on the West Coast or anything like that. So, I don’t know, saving grace a little bit or does that not matter to you? Um, I don’t know. It’s tough to say. I think to some extent it matters. Um, and to some it doesn’t. You know, when like you mentioned, if you do bring in a key piece or a big new addition or you make a few trades or you got new guys coming in, I like getting them time on the ice. Um, I don’t really care who it’s against, right? I just want them to be on the ice together before the postseason, assuming you’re going to make it. Um, if it comes down to knock on wood, man. If it comes down to, oh my god, are we going to make the playoffs? you know, that’s definitely a positive that you’re not playing Florida six times. So, you know, we’ll see. I I think also, like you said, it’s so unpredictable. The league is so unpredictable, right? So, you never know with these teams. All of a sudden, something can click and they can be excellent. So, I don’t want to say that they would beat all these teams either. You know, I think Detroit could easily take the Lightning. You know, I think Calgary can probably beat the Lightning if they have a good a good strong game, but it’s very possible, right? Anyone anyone can win any game. Any team can beat the Lightning. Yeah. Like it’s it’s it’s one of the it’s not Yeah. I mean, you’re you’re going to have a random six to one loss this season against a really dumb team. Um and likewise, you’re going to beat somebody like, I don’t know, like Carolina 8 to nothing. like in the Carolina, they finish way ahead of us in the standings. Oh, yeah. It’s It’s just I think that chaos with the NHL where anything can happen with the schedule. Yeah, it really is. Yeah. Um I will say I think in terms of that, it’s going to be important to get off to a really strong start if you’re the Tampa Bay Lightning. Uh because I will say, Greg, the Atlantic division, boy, that’s that’s gonna be murderous row I think in the entire NHL. Maybe other than Buffalo, not a team really in there that you would look at and say like I could see them making some sort of really strong play this year. Um Montreal was obviously I think kind of on that verge of becoming a next powerhouse. Um I think Ottawa, you showed what they can do last year getting their first playoff appearance in a long time. You mentioned Detroit. I agree with you. There’s a lot of really young talent on that team that as soon as Steve Eisermanman can kind of figure out how to get them all together and get that right combination going, that’s going to be a juggernaut. Uh, by the way, uh, the twotime defending Stanley Cup champion and probably consensus best put together team in the league right now, uh, also happens to be in our division. So, yep. Murderers row. And I I think any chance you get uh to put a big run of points together, it’s it’s going to be huge, especially this year, Greg. Absolutely. I mean, look at what happened last season, right? We didn’t even know who was going to end where at the end of the season. And it turns out that that playoff spot mattered a lot, right? Because we ended up playing Florida. And if you win a couple more games, maybe you’re not playing Florida there. So, yeah, we’ll see. I have really strong takes about how the uh the playoff format is put together, but I feel like that is a that is a topic for another offseason show. Uh speaking of a lot to talk to coming up, uh we kind of hinted at some stuff. Uh should NHL players play in the Olympics? Are you happy to see Tampa Bay Lightning players there? That’s a deep dive topic that we’re going to get into next show. Plus, uh, the future of the All-Star game for Nations tournament. Would there be something that you would like to see the NHL do different? Would you like to see them keep some of the things they’re going to be doing? Those are topics we’re going to be talking about this week on the Locked On Lightning Podcast. So, make sure you’re tuning in for that. That’s going to do it on today’s episode of the Locked On Lightning Podcast. Thanks for making us your first listen of the day. We’ll be back later this week with all new episodes. Until then, Greg Steven over there. I’m Nick Morgan. We’ll see you then.

Ryan McDonagh is entering the last year of his contract with Tampa Bay Lightning, and despite being vocal about wanting to stay with the Bolts long-term, a new report says Julien BriseBois could consider trading their veteran blueliner. On today’s show, we debate whether it makes more sense for the Lightning to trade or keep McDonagh — and if McDonagh stays, do the Lightning NEED a big trade to improve weak spots on their blueline? Plus, we break down the Lightning’s 2025-2026 schedule, including one stretch considered the toughest ANY NHL team will have to tackle this season.

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9 comments
  1. JBB said he wasn't addressing Mac contract until after this season, with Moser and Chafee. Also had a +45 rating last year, and he will be needed to help with Crozier, Lilly and Moser. Stupid rumors by writers looking for readership who don't know this team

  2. Definitely not wrong on the need for additional scoring/offensive juice, but not at the expense of a defense that's still trying to regain it's previous form from when Mack was sent packing. Trading Mack would signal a complete rebuild by gutting the defense and destroying ur entire #1 defensive line. Cernak just isn't himself without Mack beside him; it's been proven. And while I like him, Bjorkstrand wasn't the missing piece that was going to get them past the cats in the playoffs this past run. Hard nosed glue players like Maroon and Killorn who happily returned every tit for tat that cat players would throw at them are. And also bcuz they brought enough ass with their play that they could back up their hits. I love Hagel, but when the playoffs hits start flying, well, just look where that part of the equation left Hagel in round 1 last season. He couldn't even finish the series. When you're literally letting your smallest and lightest player on the ice try to play "enforcer," instead of a grit player like Maroon, they end up missing the rest of the series or worse, all of the playoffs. Bolts won't make it back to another Stanley Cup until it's understood that what's missing is the grit and grit players they played with and had during their triple cup trips. Hagel sports no shortage of grit in his play, but he's also an easily broke in two tooth pick by a defensive player two or three times his size.

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