Why The Stars And Sharks Are Currently At The Opposite Ends Of The NHL Spectrum | DLLS Stars Podcast

Why The Stars And Sharks Are Currently At The Opposite Ends Of The NHL Spectrum | DLLS Stars Podcast

Hi, new week Monday. Let’s get it started. Other 31 is in full boore right now as we start this week off with the San Jose Sharks. And we have a different team a each day, all five days this week and moving on to the next weekend. When we said 31, we meant it here on the DLS Stars podcast. So, let’s go. Get ready, boys. Heat. Hey. Hey. Hey. [Music] It is Monday. It is August 4th. This is the DLLS Stars podcast as we welcome you to August. Well, again, because we had a Friday August show. Craig Ledwig, Sam Nestler, hello. Producer Elijah Smith. I’m Owen Newkerk. We got a big week for you. Uh Leds will be in and out as he makes his way back towards Wisconsin, but he’s here today and Wednesday. I believe we will have Shawn tomorrow, but we’ll see. Sean is very, you know, we figure it out as we go. Big guests today as we start the other 31 Monday with San Jose Sharks Day. We will have Ted Ramy on in just a moment. Actually, there he is now. Hi, Ted. We’re also going to have Shang Pang from San Jose Hockey now on our second half of the show. But right now, please, as we do this backwards, welcome in the radio host of the San Jose Sharks. He also does TV pre and post sometimes. Oh, I’ve seen him on in front or behind the camera. And if that’s not enough, he’s also the play-by-play voice of the San Jose Earthquakes. Please welcome officially Ted Ramy. Hi, Ted. Hey, guys. I am very excited to come on with you, but can I ask you guys a question before we get into hockey talk? Is that okay? Uh oh. Please make it about soccer because Luds loves soccer. It’s It’s not. It’s about It might be about Luca and Mike Qual. And this is actually It’s This isn’t This isn’t bad. I trust you. But by him reportedly getting ripped and in phenomenal shape, isn’t that in a way proving that the Mavericks were maybe in a way right about what was going on? Now, maybe the end result is not the desired outcome, but by him getting ripped and in super good shape with another team, doesn’t that acknowledge that there was a problem? What do you think, Luds? Does the player need a kick in the ass? I don’t know. It sounds like Ted’s stirring the pot here. It doesn’t it is this which I love. Ted, is this revenge body or is this just maturing? Wait, does Luca not have a baby Huey kind of body? Well, he did. You see the men’s health photo from last week? No, I don’t. Well, that’s because it went around the internet. You probably aren’t looking at that very much. Sam’s gonna pull it up for you. He looked like he is getting into I want to look. You hadn’t looked. Oh, so he’s getting in shape. He’s getting in shape. And then he signed the three-year super max. Good for him. That’s him right there again. He looks a lot Well, he looks like a different guy. Skinnier than he did before. Yeah. So, he doesn’t look have that baby Hueie look, does he? Right. No. Yeah. That’s what he looks like. Yeah. So, all right. Good for him. See, I didn’t even know. We’re learning things today on on San Jose Sharks day. It’s hard to get these guys to think about something other than hockey, Ted. So, yeah, I I don’t want to say Pat the Mavericks on the back because there are a lot of Mavs fans around here that are not happy with them. But there’s definitely some ls f you energy about Luca’s off season. Don’t say that word out loud. He just Well, why do you guys Why do you bring me to the edge and then just just to see what happens? Because we all like to look at the car crash. It’s not our fault when you do it. It’s They get mad. Ted, I want to ask you, how’s Hazy doing? How’s What? How’s Brian Hayward doing? How’s Hazy doing? Oh, fine. You know, it’s it’s it’s all what it is here in the Bay Area. It’s uh it’s any any day that we can talk about anything, we’re we’re happy to get into it. Uhhuh. All right, let’s get into the Shark stuff. So, we will I pro promise you I will not just send you negative questions. But as we’re getting ready for this show, I’m looking at the Sharks list of seasons last five, six, seven years since 2019 is what you need to say. Yeah. Well, the team made the Stanley Cup final in 2016. I still argue, and this is nothing against the Sharks, it was a very good team. I think if the Stars didn’t crater in game seven at home against the Blues, I think Dallas would have beat San Jose and faced Pittsburgh in the final. Maybe not, but that’s just my side take. Then three years later, you go to the Western Conference final, you lose to the eventual champs in St. Louis, 100 point team, and then it went off the cliff. Haven’t made the playoffs since and dropped 40 points just in that one year. And it’s been a full-on rebuild ever since. And it’s, you know, we’ll get into some of the details of it, but from a Sharks perspective, a guy who’s been covering and working for this team for a long time. The hell happened in the last 6 years? So, I mean, there are a number of ways to look at it. Pretty much once they acquired Joe Thornton and even before that, they were in a championship window. And a lot of people don’t give Doug Wilson enough credit and acknowledge how long he was able to keep the team in contention, but they were the classic example of a team that focused on the here and now for roughly, you know, an almost 20 year period. Um, and sacrificed the future, which meant that they were trading draft picks, which meant that they were trading prospects, which meants that they were always, you know, trying to do everything that they could do in the here and now. And eventually, like any team that is in a very good place for a long, long time, you want to talk about the Patriots of the NFL as being the most recent example, you know, it all comes crashing down eventually. And it might come crashing down with the Warriors here. I mean, they’ve been making the playoffs, but I mean, when you’re good for a long time, eventually you have to pay the piper. And when we look at what happened with the Sharks after 2019, uh they decided to move on from Joe Pavevelski, which worked out very well uh for Dallas cuz Doug Wilson was trying to think of, okay, what can we do to make this team, you know, better in the long run, and they thought that Evander Kane was going to be their next consistent, you know, big-time goal scorer. They brought in Eric Carlson. There’s a misconception that they signed Carlson with the money they were going to put to Pavvelski. That’s not true. they had already locked up uh Vander Kane with that money. um they had been trying to figure out, you know, the next part of that narrative and then COVID hit and then the salary cap was frozen and then Doug Wilson had health problems which eventually led to him resigning um as or stepping down from his general manager position um which led to a brief kind of you know in between moment there at the end where the Sharks weren’t sure what they were going to do. Then they hired Mike Greer and he just decided, look, we’ve got money locked up in Brent Burns, we’ve got money locked up in Eric Carlson, we’ve got money locked up in Tomas Hurdle, there’s Teeo Meyer. So, he makes big trades with all of those guys. Um, Logan Couture has to deal with a career-ending injury. Um, and which saw him not play pretty much for the last two years, right before the end of this past regular season, he stepped down. Um, so in the process, Mike Greer sheds salary. He gets the number one draft pick two years ago in Mlin Celibbrini. A couple years before that, he gets the number four overall with Will Smith. Couple years prior to that, they had drafted William Mecklland with a very, you know, highlevel pick. And the tear down, uh, according to our current general manager, Mike Greer, was kind of said to be done this past deadline and that they would start building. And, you know, it’s been it’s been a rough ride. I am not going to say it’s been fun to have be the worst team in the league for the last two seasons, but this is my naturally long- winded way of saying that the good times came to an end. There was a little bit of an unknown and then a full-blown, you know, tear it down to the studs and start building it back up, which has a lot of people excited, but there is still the reality that it’s it’s probably not going to be this year that this team is back in the playoffs. Maybe they will. I always say I’m a sports broadcaster because I’m very good at being wrong. Uh but this is still a team that is um about the future more than the here and now. Even if what we’ve seen took, you know, the second half of last year, the Sharks, not a lot of wins, but in terms of entertainment and excitement, it was it was a whole lot of fun. So Ted, you said a lot of stuff there, but it sounds like Thanks, Ted. It’s been a great show. I’m I’ve basically run through my sheet, so you two go ahead. I think I can sum it up in in it saying that the Sharks losing Joe Pavvelski was the main reason for their downfall. That sound pretty much that would be what a you know there’s a lot of fans who will say that that was the heart and soul and that never should have happened. And you know I I get it because you know it’s the old Bill Walsh mentality here in the Bay Area with the 49ers of better to get rid of a guy a year too early than a year too late. I don’t think any of us really knew how long Joe Pavevelski was going to be as good as he was. And you know for us in the Bay Area made everyone a Dallas fan that was you know a fan of Joe Pavevelki. So that was really cool and gave us something to watch in the postseason. But you know that’s how it goes. I mean you have to you have to think about the future. And I always say this because it’s you know it’s was it from a beautiful mind. The game is flawed. And I always look at Billy Bean with the Oakland Athletics and Doug Wilson with the San Jose Sharks as being two classic examples of guys who made the right moves. But that doesn’t mean you always end up with the right end result when all is said and done. And you know, it’s it’s sports, you know, it’s it’s it is flawed. You can’t always get the outcome that you feel you deserve. Uh but yeah, I mean, Joe Pavevelski, watching him go on to what he turned into with those last few years, you know, was not the easiest thing to stomach just from an emotional standpoint. I was very happy for him and it’s not like he was going to be the saving grace for the Sharks, but at the same time, it was like, wow, he is still really good. And when he called it quits, I think he had like 60 some odd points, which would have put him at the head point score of the Sharks two years ago. So, it’s like, yeah, yeah, he can still play. Yeah. On a more serious note on that topic, I was obviously going to ask you about Joe pretty much off the bat. Is it is it almost harder to stomach because of what he’s probably going to be for this organization eventually? I mean, it seems like the team and him are well aware that the door is wide open for him to come in some sort of hockey role. that probably would have been in San Jose if he had retired there and finished there. Yeah. I mean, I think that you also have to look at the fact that, you know, this team has only ever retired two jerseys, uh, two numbers in in San Jose with Marlo and Thornton. And, you know, maybe Pabs would have been the third and maybe it wasn’t quite viewed the same way because of those seasons that he wasn’t with San Jose at the end. Um, you know, it’s it’s really an unknown and it if he does end up with Dallas in hockey ops, you know, I I wouldn’t blame him because that’s a a great place to live and, you know, be able to operate. But I’m sure there’s more than a few people in San Jose that probably feel that they would try and poach him and get him out here just in the same way that Joe Thornton is kind of or now he is officially part of of the the staff up top and you know, he’s the director of vibes as the joke is out here. So, you know, I don’t know. I I think that everyone at the same time respects Joe Pavevelski so much that if you know if he wants to do whatever he wants to do, people are still going to love him because everybody loves Pabs. I mean, he was Captain America out here. And obviously, you know, just his entire narrative of being a guy that no one thought was going to be that great and turned out to be an all-timer. You know, there’s there aren’t a lot of harsh critics of Joe Pavevelski out here in San Jose. Yes. Just in case you’re wondering, Ted, we have a Joe Pavvelski bell because we talk about him. We talk about him every day even though he hasn’t been on his team, but we started a year ago. Our first shows were in August of 2024. And of course, we had nothing to talk about because there weren’t any games. So, we talked about the off season and so Joe Pavevelski dang retiring became a running gag. And there was a long time where we went zero days without mentioning Joe Pavevelski. And until you came on, I think we’d gone a month or two. Now we’re getting a lot of pavs. So if you hear the bell because we say Pavvelski, don’t be freaked out. It’s just our No, I I I like it. I figured I was like there was some sort of talking point before the show. It’s like see how many times Teddy mentions Pab. So I thought that’s what it was. But I’m glad there’s a grander narrative going on. Yeah. No, no, this is not on you. We do have a super chat, though. Let’s throw that in there real quick. And we got to make Elijah change buttons real quick. I love missing 1985 with a Lwig and a Pavvelki. I miss Joe Povvelski. Just had to do that. So, thank you very much for that one. Up next, lots more with Ted. We’re already at a break. Yeah, we’re flying through here on the DLS Stars podcast. Clearly the best segment I have done up till this period. you had a question. 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All right, let’s bring Ted back on the screen because he didn’t have to sit through our ads. There he is. Ted, I’m going to let Luds ask a question because we haven’t even gotten to Luds yet. Go for it. Perfect. Go for it. Uh Ted, well, you you’ve mentioned Joe and I’m not going to talk about the Pavves guy. Uh talk a bit about the Joe Thornton. mentioned Thornton a couple times here, the importance of bringing him back and and making him part of that organization. I mean, the guy has such an unbelievable love for the game. Just seeing him out there recently at our development camp with all the young players. He’s out there on the ice. He’s always smiling. He is the king of vibes, as they like to say, and now the director of Vibes here in San Jose. Min Celibbrini lived with him this past year. Will Smith also lived with Patrick Marlo. So they were, you know, in there in year number one with two guys who understand everything about San Jose. But Joe Thornton, I think that for people on the outside looking in, they see the the beard and they see the stories and they probably saw clips from his um you know, his speech this past year when the Sharks retired his number. And that’s just who the man is like nonstop. Like the guy has such an incredible vibe about him. He is always, you know, it’s the it’s the no bad days mentality with Joe Thornton and he’s always in a good mood. When we put together a special for him on the Sharks Audio Network before we did that, um, you know, we talked to everybody and everybody has a Joe Thornton story about him. You know, my favorite one is I think they were in Pittsburgh and this was from Brent Burns who, you know, said, “Oh, well, you know, we were walking down the street and somebody yells, “Hey, is that Jumbo Joe?” And he says, “Yeah.” And then instead of getting a taxi, it’s the back of a garbage truck. or maybe it was public water work, something like that. Back to the hotel as opposed to getting a taxi. Like that’s just the Joe Thornton vibe. Everybody loves the guy. He seemingly has friends everywhere. And just having somebody like that who is able to kind of make you not really not sweat the small things or anything like that because hockey it’s such a detail-oriented game, but he makes everybody seemingly how aware they need to be of appreciating the moment and enjoying the game of hockey. And I don’t know if there is someone that loves hockey more than Joe Thoron. I would, you know, argue that’s impossible to do. But the love that he exudes is palpable. And I think that having the young players around him in particular, remind them of the fact that as frustrating as it gets, as devastating as some of those losses can be, like this is hockey. It’s a game. We’re all supposed to be having a good time. And if you foster that love for the game, it’ll probably lead to a better outcome. And that’s actually something that a lot of the ex players I talk to about with youth hockey, they say their parents are burning them out and they all say the number one thing is that you need to love the game. That, you know, goes for any sport obviously and that goes back to Joe. I just I don’t think anyone loves the game more than him. Probably there are people who love it as much as him, but I don’t think it’s possible to love it more than he does. Boy, we have so many things we can talk about. I do love the fact that they’ve kept that, although the Pavvelski thing was a departure from that. So, let’s talk about those ones that left before we look at what’s ahead. Teimo Meyer, Tomas, Hurdle, Logan Couture getting hurt, Pavvelski leaving. Ding. Burns. I mean, that was a that was a demarcation. Really was. And it felt like I mean, if you looked at it, like obviously you can’t go back and change it now, but if you had Couture Healthy, Team Omire, and Tomas Hurdle on your team right now, your team looks a lot different than it does right now. It does, but you don’t have Mlin Celibbrini, right? Um, first and foremost, and you don’t have quite the, you know, the Sharks had a not great farm system, for lack of a better term, when it came to the end of the Doug Wilson era because they have been trying to foster the here and now for so long. And it’s one of the things that I’m a little bit I always wonder about what Doug would have done if he had stayed on and not had the health problems. Um, but you know what it turned into, what Mike Greer has been able to capitalize upon and get so much draft capital, so many prospects, so many opportunities. And I know that we talk about getting these number one picks and getting the your first round picks, second round. It’s not about that any of those guys are guarantees. And I know that we, you know, we can talk about the NFL and people finally figured out that it is a coin flip. You want as many coin flips as possible. You want as many guys that could end up being a impactful players, not necessarily a star player, but if you want to work, even though the cap is going up, you’re not going to have money for everybody. You need to bring in those players who can turn into not even just a stop gap, but somebody who can play at a high level with the other stars that you have. And you know, I think most recently the example of the team that’s been able to turn the wheel the best until very, very recently was Boston. Um, and you want to be able to keep on having those prospects and young players coming up. So, yeah, the team would have been better, but it would not be able to have what they hope is continuity within the team, the culture, and the entire system going forward. Boy, the chat is loving Ted right now from the uh there was you you’ve been accused of being a Chicago Bears fan. I think it’s the mustache. Uh, Kayla said that you have a beautiful stash and you look like Tim Thomas. Um, you know who he looks like. Also, nobody’s saying anything about his perfectly round head. It is perfect. I mean, it’s perfect. He kind of looks like the guy with the big mustache from The Longest Yard, the Adam Sandler movie. The guy with the big mustache. I think he’s a prison guard or something in that movie. It’s a good It’s a compliment. It’s a big I’ve seen the movie. I’m just trying to figure the Dorito guy. I think he’s a wrestler. I think he’s a professional. Goldberg or you talking about Stone Cold? I don’t think Goldberg had a mustache, right? Steve Austin. Yeah, there you go. So, James Padfield, if I had hair, who who just just satisfy everybody in the chat, who is your NFL team? Oh, the 49ers. I I grew up in the Bay Area. So, yeah. There you go. See, you were accused of being a possible Raiders fan. I don’t even know why. So, well, because it’s the East Bay. We’re I I grew up in the East Bay. They were here as well. Um, you know, it’s I I you know, it’s I I like Pete Carol. So this year I I am actually intrigued by what the Raiders are going to do. AC talking about Mahomes player. No Andy Reed. Yeah, he kind less of a compliment. He’s got a little And look, see right there and giggles. Andy Reid is very rich and very successful. So I’ll take Yeah, I’ll take all you broadcasters. Let’s talk about uh Stars connections for a minute. First about them and then maybe about what you see at Dallas. Ty Dandria obviously acquired a couple years ago. Uh how’s he been? And then you got John Clingberg, longtime Dallas star in free agency this year. So with Tai, I think that last year he was one of those guys who was kind of moved a lot up and down the lineup. Um but I overall like his effort and I think people are expecting him to be more impactful in year number two. Um, I know that he was a very highrated pick and maybe, you know, Owen, you and I have talked about it before, which there was a little bit of consternation when that when that actually happened. So, you know, I I still think there’s a lot of skill, but I think the one thing that Mike Greer has really looked at with the guys that he’s brought in is he wants the guys a with a high compete level and B, he wants them to be just effortilled and something to prove. And I think that he has something to prove overall. And again, just being a character guy, a good interview. Um, you know, I I I like that, you know, he’s got a little Del Taco reference in his nickname, and that that came up. I thought that was it’s like the last thing I expected. Um, but, you know, just a good guy. I I know that in hockey they’re all good guys. This is not something that we’re really amazed at, but again, he is just a good guy, and I I am expecting bigger things from him in year number two. with Clingberg. Um, you know, health is what you you wonder about first and foremost, but also bringing that experience that he has. Um, not the youngest guy in the world anymore, but you need more experienced veterans because last year they had to trade so many guys away at the deadline. I mean, we we would joke about it. We would be doing these shows, myself and Dan Rousinowski, who was our only radio announcer that we’ve ever had. Um Randy Han who is one of two TV playby-play guys, you know, cuz Joe Starky was the original one way back in the day. Um and then even in that first year, Randy was doing some TV. So, you know, I talk to these guys, we do shows at the deadline, talk about everything that goes down. We were having trouble coming up with all the guys that whether there was Luke Cunning, um whether it was Jake Walman, whether it was, you know, Fabian Zetterland. I mean, so many people got traded away last year that you were looking at this lineup at the end of the year and being like, man, there the relative experience out there is is not great for San Jose. But granted, you have to go through these tough times. So, you know, with Clingberg, I think that there’s there’s a high upside. Um, and I think that you need those guys who have been through those battles before, who have been through the wars, and understand what culturally Mike Greer is trying to instill in San Jose. All right, Ted, we have a couple, as we said, stars connections here. Before we ask you about the stars in general, Tom Holy. Oh, yes. Uh, PR extraordinaire here makes the makes the relatively unknown move of Dallas twice. It’s happening now a little more uh to the hockey ops assistant GM side over there. What have you seen from Holi in that new role? And him as a person, you smiled as soon as I said it. Well, no, I just, you know, he’s he’s a great character and I always think that if I had to put up with people like myself, I might be looking to switch career paths as well. So, but yeah, I mean, he is one of those guys who’s going to fit in and he can kind of be a not somebody that greases the groove, but understands how to facilitate relationships and how to ultimately be a part of that staff and kind of bringing in some of his expertise from how the outsider looking in is going to help with it. But I mean, the guy is just a a tremendous human being. And it’s so funny, you know, you think back to his time, um, you know, being with San Jose previously and then going to Dallas and now being back here again. I mean, the pull of the Bay Area is strong. It’s a It’s a great place to live. But I think that, you know, a lot of times guys get pulled in and you get so in the thick of it on the media relations and public relations side of things that you do become so into it and, you know, ask any broadcaster as well that you do start wondering about, you know, if there’s a a different side of things that you can kind of look at because you’re so wellversed in the team in the game. And I think that probably started to tickle his fancy of like, hey, you know, I know this stuff so well. I’ve been immersed in it in so long. Maybe my skill set can be put to use in another area. Um, and I think that, you know, when that opportunity came to Tom, he said, “Hey, this is a great opportunity for me.” And he was able to to jump at it. And I think that, you know, he’s been having a lot of fun so far in San Jose. And even though we’ve not had a lot of wins, I will say that our fun level is at a high level in San Jose because everybody acknowledges that things are pointed in the right direction. That’s important. Got to have fun even when you’re losing. I think Joe Thor knows how to have fun. Oh, yeah. You done? Yeah. Okay. It seems this is like a buddy talk here about all these buddies around here. I’m I’m a little interested in the general manager Mike Greer. I mean the job that he’s done his first kick at the can. I mean the CC and the Granland dealer gets a first and a third there, but the Wallman thing that he pulls off there. So to me from the outside looking in, I would think that Mike Greer’s job that he’s done is probably rated pretty high. I would assume so. Although a lot of people from the outside looking in who aren’t like where I am, if you are a fan of sports in the Bay Area, of which you’re competing with the Giants and the Warriors and the 49ers and the Earthquakes and even the A’s to an extent, even though they’re in Sacramento and the Raiders, they’re probably saying, “Boy, those Sharks not good yet.” And it’s almost like uh you got to prove it first. And I think that even though that the Sharks were able to get some established veterans in free agency, you know, they didn’t get any stars in this team, the onus is on Mike to prove that with not just the veterans, but the guys he’s drafted. Like we can see that Mlin Cbrini and Will Smith will be stars, William, you know, another player that will be a star in the NHL. But now it’s on those guys a to prove it, but to prove it with Mike Greer and his vision saying, “Okay, if right now 31 other teams in the NHL are all trying to get better, how do we prove that this can be someplace to go? Everyone that’s here right now has got to take strides to move forward even without the big big acquisitions because their biggest acquisition, Tyler Foley, he’s a great player. Jeff Skinner, another guy who I think if he’s healthy, he can have a great season going throughout and, you know, be nearly a point per player or point per game player. If those guys work out and the young players take those steps forward, then Mike Greer will be viewed very, very positively. But, you know, as you guys in Dallas know, there’s a lot of competition and it’s easy for people to say, “Okay, well, let me look over here at the team that is winning as opposed to the team that isn’t.” And so, for Mike Greer, that’s ultimately what he’s going to be judged by. Now, for somebody in the thick of it like me, I think he’s done a really good job. And I think he has done everything possible to give the Sharks that opportunity to take those strides. And yeah, I mean, you can criticize, you know, maybe the the team meer trade is still kind of unknown because you’re waiting to see Shakir Mukulan’s health uh cuz he dealt with an injury at the end of last year and what he turns into as a player and Fabian Zetterland was, you know, their best goal scorer arguably and, you know, maybe he, you know, could have turned into more with San Jose. So, that one could be viewed a little bit differently, but I mean, you just you got to wait and see what happens. So, while I think Mike Greer, you know, granted, you know, that I might be biased. I I uh my my paychecks are signed by the same guys that Greers are, but you know, it’s it seems like he’s done from what I also feel is a pretty harsh perspective of my own because I was a fan before I was a broadcaster, is that he had to make the really hard choices. He did so while he was, you know, a lot of people didn’t like it, but now this team is pointed in the direction to have success. It can’t come soon enough from the outside looking in. But, uh, you know, those of us that are close to it, we like it. I think those on the outside say, “Hey, Will Smith and Mlin Celibbrini look pretty impressive, but you know, give me a reason to go out there and watch this team in person or watch them, you know, every other day during the week.” And I think that’s something that only comes with wins is when you’re in a metropolis area like the Bay Area or Dallas, people are waiting to they they need that show me moment to where they feel they’re going to invest their time and money in a team. All right, we are out of time, but I have to ask you before we go very brief very quickly what your take is on when you from your perspective, Ted, how what do the Dallas Stars look like to you? Um, another team that is going to contend once again. I think that if you look at the way the off season has gone, it’s still I I am a team that or a guy that believes in carryover from one year to the next, but I need to see it in March, in February. Like I I like what Dallas is, but again, it’s I it’s the off season right now. There’s so much that can happen. Um you know, last year I said I wouldn’t be surprised if Edmonton was back in the Stanley Cup final again. and I didn’t predict a rematch. Um, but you know, I I still look at Dallas as a team that’s going to be very, very difficult and still going to be a team that believes when they get towards, you know, the late later stages of the season that they’ve got an opportunity once again. Um, the coaching stuff I, you know, the wheel keeps on turning in the NHL. That’s one where I I don’t know. I we could get into a longer thing about the goalie situation there and boy give me some time and we can talk about all the different angles there, but I I still I still like the core of what Dallas is going forward. So, if you want to get my takes on that other situation another time, I’m happy to come back and talk about it because Yeah. Well, I’ve certainly uh have enjoyed being on your show quite a bit. So, it’s nice to kind of turn return the favor and do it the other way around. I’m sure we’ll do it again. And uh you have definitely encouraged some of the more hilarious fan engagement on our chat. So kudos to you, Ted, as always. Thanks for joining us today. And uh hope your rest of your offseason is great. Thanks, Steve. Anytime, guys. There he goes. Ted Ramy, host of the Sharks radio broadcast and also an analyst for pre and post on their TV call and the Quakes playbyplay guy. Busy guy. All right, up next, Shang Pang from the San Jose Hockey Now writing side will talk, we’ll get the outside the team perspective of the Sharks here on DLS. Yeah, a little wobbly there. But first, we get to hear about this trip that we know all about that we are not invited on. That is the DLLS Cowboys trip to Las Vegas with True Fan Travel. 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And I thought we got the We got plenty of stuff. We have the Otter shirt. We have the the Finnish mafia. One of our betterselling shirts of all time. Wyatt 16 bit. Mo finisher. See how fast Elijah can keep up with all the things that I’m saying so fast. All available at allls.com. Be a die hard. Do all the good things. He did it. Over. I didn’t need to go so long. I didn’t know you’re going to run. Second half. San Jose Sharks day is going to be with the guy who is the beat for the Sharks on San Jose Hockey. Now we welcome in Shang Pang. Shang, thanks for joining us today. very appreciate uh very appreciative of you taking the time to talk. We had a team perspective with Ted, but we acknowledge that sometimes, including myself or Luds who worked for the team before, that that may be a little biased. So, we’re thrilled to have the unaffiliated take on the Sharks. So, let’s start with where you’re at with this team after the off seasonason they just had. Right. We talked about it with Ted of bringing on John Clingberg and uh I don’t know did we spend much time mentioning Demetri Orlov yet? Didn’t even bring up his name. So there’s been a huge turnover in the last five, six years of the roster. Where do you think the Sharks are at in their rebuild right now? Hey, how’s it going guys? Right now with their rebuild, I mean I think it’s a lot of question marks, right? They’ve brought in a lot of prominent defenseman, but guys that might be a little past their prime when we’re talking about Orlof and Ley and Clingberg. Maybe not so past prime that they can’t help. But this isn’t five years ago. Five years ago, you bring those guys in like you’re talking playoffs, I think, because those guys were really good back then. But now there are question marks with them. um upfront. Um they I think they wanted to bring in maybe a I know that they were they were in on Eers. They were interested in Ber. I don’t know if it was ever a serious thing. I don’t know if those guys ever really seriously considered San Jose because it’s hard to sell a last place team to a player that they wants to be in a competitive situation at least. And so they missed out on that. And so I think they kind of settled on on a Jeff Skinner who can still score goals but is a bit of a limited player. I think they probably wanted somebody a little more well-rounded, obviously a little younger, too. So I think it’s a lot of question marks. Uh, a lot of it depends on the most important thing anyway regardless of who they signed or added this off season is the continued improvement of Mlin Celibbrini and Will Smith and William Ecklan and yours Vascarov and down the line. So, if that happens, then the rebuild is going to be just fine. It’s just going to it’s going to move ahead in the right direction. If that doesn’t happen for some reason, if the veterans aren’t good enough to help out some of these youngsters, then there could be then there could be trouble. Well, when you mentioned youngsters, so their number two overall pick, does Michael Misa is I think is is it Misa or Misha? Misa Misa does can he crack this lineup? You think they’ll give him a chance? The the one thing I worry about these young kids coming in, I go back to Connor Bedard a little bit, you know, when the team isn’t great and then they got to come up in an environment where you’re not winning a lot, the only guy and you’re worried about the mental side of it. So where where does he fit in? Yeah, Michael Misa can make this team which I think is a statement to to to this team actually to be honest because Michael Misa is an excellent prospect but I don’t think anyone has him confused for Mlin Celabbrini or Connor Baddard or Austin Matthews somebody that you expect to just step in and maybe pop in 20 30 goals or something like that right and so Misa is probably good enough from what I from what talking with people to play with the Sharks and help out too be a good player uh Michael is a uh pretty solid two-way player for an 18-year-old. I think he needs to still work on his body physicality, which is a very typical thing for 18-year-old player, but he should be smart enough to be a useful player for a weak Sharks team. So, I think that he can make the team. I think that the idea is for him to to give him the best possible chance to make the team. So, I expect that he will be on the team this year. Jang, I’m a big college hockey fan. Uh your your team out there is a pretty good team to watch if you are a college hockey fan. Obviously, Celery and then Will Smith uh was part of massive part of that very very good Boston College team. I’m just curious your thoughts. What is his ceiling? What what does he look like this year? And then what do you see him as in in the future? I see Will if he hits his ceiling being a point per game player, being kind of that offensive driver, right? That’s why drafting Celbrini was so important to the Sharks because before they drafted Celbrini, the Sharks didn’t really have a sort of a what you would designate as a franchise kingpin number one player. Uh Will Smith is an excellent prospect, but I don’t know if he projects to be the best player on a Stalling Cup winning team. Mlin celebrity not to put all this pressure on an 18-year-old but or 19 year old but Mlin does project as that as somebody like Jonathan Taves a two-way player but maybe even more offense than Jonathan Taves which is I mean that is a really really good player Will Smith is going to be a little more offensive leaning which is a perfect kind of complement to to to Mlin’s kind of allound game and so anyway if Will Smith hits uh what they hope that he can do it will be a point per game type player um power play kind of monster, that kind of thing, right? But of course, the big question in San Jose at least is whether or not he is a center or a wing in the long run. And that’s not not sure about that. Let’s talk about the goalending for a second because McKenzie Blackwood obviously uh made a move to Colorado last year and they made an interesting acquisition. Uh our other showmate Shawn, who’s not here today, is a huge fan of Yaroslav Ascarov. He’s very entertaining. He’s very outgoing, especially on the ice. If you guys have never seen him do the post shootout celebration where he brought the net down and did bench presses, it’s pretty hilarious. What’s your take, Shang, about where Ascarov is? Is his in his budding NHL career? And does San Jose think he can be the guy? Oh, absolutely. They think that he can be the guy. They traded basically two first round picks for him. They traded their 2025 um the Vegas Golden Knights first round pick that they got for Tomas Hurdle and then they traded the David Edstrom who the Golden Knights had drafted the year before at the end of the first round. So basically two first round picks very good prospect in Edstrom for Ascarov and they’ve paved the way for Ascarov to take over this year. They obviously traded Mackenzie Blackwood earlier in the season and right now their goalending tandem is Asparaf and Alex Njokovic uh Nadulkovich sorry and so they they think he can be the guy and clearly he has if you watch him it’s pretty um I’m not a goalie guy but you know you watch a guy that is just like faster side to side bigger like he makes really really hard saves look really easy sometimes. So Ascro is clearly off the bus on the ice. Looks like he can be a elite goalie, but of course though he’s got to do it over 50 60 games, right, in the NHL. And that’s a huge challenge. We don’t know if he can take that step. You know, there’s a emotional mental kind of maturity, concentration. That’s the difference between being a elite NHL guy or being just a good NHL guy. And so we’re gonna see where Ascarov is and and all that. We haven’t mentioned the head coach through all this. We haven’t. And and I’m thinking, you know, with some of the older players that are coming in, the young team, the record, the not so great win, loss. How is Ryan Worovski handling himself through this whole process so far? I think it’s been a it was a learning year for Ryan Versace last year, which is very, very normal for a first year AHL head coach. also maybe it doesn’t matter so much but the youngest uh head coach in the NHL too and so it was a little bit of a learning year but it seemed like he did get better as time went on. Uh just a small example of that when they traded Mackenzie Blackwood the Sharks were actually like uh competitive. They were like a a 400 points percentage team, which sounds Yeah, that doesn’t sound like much. But for the Sharks, that is really really was really really good hockey for the Sharks. But then they went through this two-month stint after that where they won basically four games. And it’s a lot of it was because they didn’t have Blackwood to kind of erase mistakes anymore, which Black, you know, Blackwood was able to do that to erase a lot of a lot of their mistakes and Gorgv wasn’t able to do that. I don’t I don’t put that on Gyorgv. just it wasn’t a good team and Blackwood was maybe a better goalie last year at least. So anyway though um around Four Nations break Wars kind of changed up the neutral zone made it a little more neutral zone for check made it a bit more conservative and so the Sharks were able to kind of finish the season on for them a high note and be competitive because uh because Warsoski saw that what he was doing was not working and there’s an argument that maybe he could have adjusted sooner but he didn’t make the adjustment. he didn’t just stick with his kind of his guns throughout the season and it would have been really ugly at at the end there if he had done that I think after four nations and after all the trades the Sharks made including trading Brandlin and CC to Dallas. So I so I commend him for adjusting and getting the Sharks to the finish line in a in a competitive place. So I think it is like a lot of the the young Sharks can he get better? Um there is some wait and see but there’s also promise there too and obviously we also saw him win a world championships and so obviously there’s a coach in there. He’s had a lot of success in other places has won a caller cup too. Um so he is he is somebody that has done good work elsewhere but this is the one of the hardest jobs in in hockey head coaching jobs in hockey right now. All right a lot more with Shang next. We continue continue to talk about the Sharks here on the DLS Stars podcast. But first, let’s talk about being a diehard. And yes, the training camp Dallas Cowboys NFL special is still going on. How do I know? Cuz I just went to the website and it says that’s alldl.com/intro. $36. It’s more than 50% off the normal annual rate to be a diehard. What a great deal to get all the access, top level of support of DLSS and you do so at a fraction of the normal price. 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Cuz I asked you at the start sort of where they’re at in their rebuild. What, you know, you bring in you you mentioned uh Orof and Clingberg and Skinner and Nick Lety and uh Ryan Reeves, we haven’t brought him up yet, uh which is an interesting acquisition as well. Where do you expect this Sharks team to be at the start of the year? Are they expected to be at the bottom of the Pacific and looking at being another team that trades away all their rentals at the deadline? Well, Micer said last deadline that he hoped that that would be the last deadline that he’d be trading people, but let’s be honest though, chances are this deadline he may still be in the same position. But, um, I will say that this team has a higher ceiling than previous teams because obviously I mentioned the veterans they brought in maybe being a little past their prime, but they’re still good veterans, especially a guy like Orof was still playing big minutes for Carolina. Lety just two years ago was still a very he was a little banged up last year. Lety still a very capable defenseman. Clingberg in the playoffs for Edmonton. Granted, he’s a very kind of risky player because of his injury history, but last year with Edmonton, he was playing good minutes for obviously uh Oilers team that made it to the finals. So if you have those kind of a much better defense and you have the ceiling of a guy like Cell Breeny taking another step, Will Smith taking another step, Ascaroth kind of solidifying himself as a bonafide angel starter, which he has a clear talent to do. So those are very very um possible things. These are not like reaches. You’re not you’re not trying to bank on like some like random like sixth round prospect that put up big points in NCAA but has no AHL game to like be a player for you. These are legit talents and so the ceiling is higher for the Sharks team. So I do want to mention that make make that clear that this is a Sharks team that if everything hits like I don’t know maybe maybe they they hit 80 points. But um but like realistically though, I think though that if as long as the young players take a step and maybe a couple of the veterans have good seasons, you’re not probably not all the veterans are going to going to be hits or whatever, you know, uh to be honest. But and as long as I think generally you stay out of last place, which the Sharks have been the worst team in the league the last two years, then I would I would call that progress. But again, the most important thing in all this is just as long as the young players take a step. If the young players take a step back and it’s the veterans carrying you to like a 66 point season, that’s not good. That’s not what you want, right? It’s not. Yeah. So, most importantly, it’s celebrating takes another step and etc. And that’s that’s the key. Is there a sort of negative or defeist view that says they could be that bad again and look at Gavin McKenna and then look at the duo that they have or the trio if you want to add Will Smith in there or Eklund I mean or is that not something that would be beneficial for the organization do you think you know those things are are hard to say I think that if you kind of luck into McKenna let’s say you’re the Sharks you finish the 28th in the league and then you win the lottery, great. That’s ex that’s exactly what you want. That’s what you’re hoping for, frankly. But if you are just miserably bad and you’re not adding uh smartly to your team, then that’s not that’s not great. And I do think long run that does matter, especially for a guy like Aselbrini who you think is going to be uh your franchise for for a decade or longer, right? And if you don’t build a a good team around him, he’s going to he’s going to leave. Um you you know, people think like, oh man, like 27 free agency, you got like nine t years to to build a winning team around this guy. But and we’ve seen case obviously the most obvious recent one is I think like a John Tvaris, right? And with the Islanders and they had 10 years to build something around him. They didn’t build anything convincing around him. and he’s like, “Well, I I I don’t need to stay here to to stay in meteor mediocrity.” And of course, he went to kind of more playoff mediocrity or the Maple Leafs, but he didn’t know that at the time, though. He was going home and the Maple Leafs were up and cominging team when he joined them. So, so anyway though, with uh with this with the sale of Britney, I I don’t think that you can I I understand what Mike Greer is doing. He’s trying to build responsibly, which makes sense. He’s not he’s not overinvesting in long contracts for guys that maybe aren’t worth it for the most part. Like he’s been pretty careful about that throughout the his off seasons. And I think that is smart. There’s no sense in giving I don’t know not that a prover would come here for example but is he going to be a differencemaker prov uh for the Sharks a last place team. Is he a differencemaker for the Sharks? Probably not. And so, so I understand that kind of sort of um Mike Greer being conservative in those kind of ways, but you also need to be improving too though. You need to be slowly and and kind of surely improving. And so that’s that that matters. And so you build you have good veterans that can help the young guys take that step. That’s I can kind of the idea of of of that. And so if he has done that with his team and I do I I do overall like the defensive additions that he’s made and that’s a big part of it because the Sharks have had frankly the worst defense in the league the last couple of years and so he’s taken he so he did take good steps this off season to kind of remedy that and get that blue line out of sort of um just that kind of that worst in the league kind of kind of status I think. And so again, I think it’s just it’s just about it’s just about taking taking steps though. Yeah. Taking steps, clear steps forward, especially the young players. Okay. So, a lot there. Um we talk about being the worst in the league. Uh the coach, all things considered, doing pretty well. We’ve got some young superstars that are ready to look to make another step. You’ve got defenseman should shore things up. Last year, this team was 32nd in offense and 31st in defense. Which category makes the biggest improvement? Clearly, they’ve tried to improve their defense. That was a clear concentration. One one through six, this defense act, you can talk yourself into it a little bit. Um, Ferraro is still a good kind of minute munching. um you he shouldn’t be your your top pairing, maybe not even your middle pairing, but in this construction of the Sharks, he actually might be their third pairing, which might be ideal for him. Mukuman is a is a very promising young defenseman. So, you had those three other guys that uh that they that they the three free agents and so you can start to talk yourself uh into the Sharks defense uh one one through six. And so, I think if the defense improves, maybe the offense improves a little bit too. I mean they they both obviously as you know Craig they feed into each other and so I think if you can get a little bit out of both of them just incremental improvements and so both both those totals will rise just a little bit. All right Shang I’m going to flash you back here to February 8th 2025. The Dallas Stars are up at the tank uh SAP Center I believe it’s called now. Is that right? Uh we are at the 246 mark and Zetterland makes it two nothing Sharks. By the end of the first period it’s 3-2 Stars. The Stars go on to win 8 to3. My question is two parts here and try not to This is not piling on. I promise. I’m actually curious. Sure it isn’t. I’m curious. That setup is not I’m really curious though. I’m really curious. So what do you remember about that game? And is that just kind of the dayto-day working the beat in San Jose right now? Yeah, I watched a lot of bad hockey, especially the last two years. So, that really is not much of a like, oh, that that happened again that day. Okay, whatever. But though, specifically though, I would say that um especially the last, excuse me, the last two years with the Sharks that anytime a good team wanted to kind of take over a game, a good team like the Dallas Stars, they did. And so that specific game would you describe the Sharks jumping out to lead? That was very much well this good team is sort of they they you know they stayed they stayed out a little too late the night before or something or they just weren’t honestly that’s like so you expect a really good team to just kind of when they want to turn it on when you want to turn it on against the Sharks the last two years you could if if you were any any good of a of a team. And so that’s what obviously Mike Greer is trying to sort of combat. And so we talked a lot about what is growth for the Sharks. And that would be growth that teams can’t just sort of have their way. That Sharks make it just a little bit harder for them to take over um uh once the this, you know, hypothetical better team um kind of let let their foot off of the gas pedal in the first period and let the Sharks jump on them. And so if the Sharks can kind of res kind of push back against that then we see that more throughout the season then that would be growth too. And so anyway so that’s but anyway that’s a general summary the last two years though that again like you mentioned your example when the Dallas Stars wanted to turn it on they just turned it on. That’s what it felt like. You know he could have answered that just when Sam was giving all those stats out and Shang had to start talking. He was kind of spitting up and choking a little bit right there. I I think you kind of summed it up right there on the track. Yeah, Shang, we’re almost out of time. It’s gone by very fast. Uh, and I don’t know if I’ve laughed so hard with one of our guests so far. So, kudos to you with some great zingers. Well, you should thank the Sharks for that. So, for the See, he’s a comedian. I love it. So, uh, quickly before we go though, from a San Jose coverage perspective, you you do a great job on the beat. If you haven’t checked him out and you’re interested in the Sharks at all, go to sanishhockey.com. Chang stuff is great. How do you see the Dallas Stars as they exist currently going into the 2526 season? It feels like the Dallas Stars and this is frequently wrong. Um I think a good example actually is the Sharks in 2016 when they made the final. People thought their window had passed and obviously they surprised people making the final. But obvious the stars though, you look at all the talent that they accumulated last year. They really put obviously everything in the last year. And I don’t see how they got better um this off season, at least from my outside perspective. But though, there’s still a really deep intelligent team. So maybe they got better by subtraction, whether it’s obviously the coach um or other areas where maybe they they got better, you know, addition by subtraction kind of thing. And there so they’re still very talented team. There’s obviously still a contender out there, but I don’t see any clear upgrades at least um from last season. I guess you can argue they’ll have Miko Raten in the whole season. I guess that is an upgrade unto itself, which it is, but in terms of just their offseason additions though um they haven’t Yeah, they they’ve mostly subtracted, right? So, and the big one the one of the big conversations we’ve had is their their inability to fit Mikuel Granland under the salary cap because he fit here perfectly. Everybody seemed to like him. He he was obviously enjoying being part of the Finnish mafia here in Dallas, but there was just Jim Nil said there’s no way they could fit with his sort of maybe final big contract of his career into what their salary cap was. And he was absolutely right. Yeah. And Granland’s a guy that I think is missed in San Jose, too. And Granland’s a guy that I don’t think they should have ever traded to the Stars, to be honest. I know that’s counter to the rebuild idea, but I think that you got to start keeping veterans, right? And some good veterans are good for your kids like they have to Foley and Granlin was kind of the same way. He was good for the kids. He was still a productive player. And so it doesn’t surprise me that he did what he did in Dallas. Actually, it’s kind of cool actually in some ways because I think uh when he came to San Jose, he was a reclamation project. He was a cap dump uh from from the Eric Carlson trade and he reminded the rest of the league how good a player he was especially at Four Nations when he was one of the best players on Finland if not the best player and in the playoffs uh for the stars where he was one of the few stars that you would say did not shrink from the moment right and so yeah so I think that’s that that part’s been kind of cool to watch and um yeah it’s unfortunate you guys couldn’t keep him because he is a excellent all-around player and just a good from what I understand at least and you guys you might know better too from your side, but good room guy uh kind of guy that you want around your your your Finnish players and your young players in general. Well, Shang, I can’t say thank you enough. And I’m not just saying this lip service. It was an absolute pleasure to have you on today. And even when I say you’re making me laugh, you made me last laugh again thanking the Sharks. So, thank you very much. It was a pleasure to have you on the show. Thanks, Shang. Thanks, Shank. Thanks, guys. There he is. Shang Pang covering the Sharks with San Jose Hockey Now. And of course, thank you to Ted Ramy as well, the Sharks radio host and pregame uh postgame analyst as well. We will be back tomorrow with our next show and we are going to highlight on Tuesday the Broad Street Bullies, Philadelphia Flyers. We will have Jackie Spiegel from the Philadelphia Inquirer and Kevin Kurs from the Athletic. They both cover the Flyers. two o’clock central time tomorrow for Elijah Smith our producer for both Ted and Shang our guest and for Craig Lewig and Sam Nestler I’m Owen Newkerk hope you have a great Monday see you tomorrow. [Music] [Applause] Like the mayor

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We are into our second week of our “The Other 31” summer series and today is dedicated to the San Jose Sharks, with special guests Ted Ramey, San Jose Sharks Radio Host, and Sheng Peng, Sharks beat writer for San Jose Hockey Now. We will talk with both of our guests about how San Jose is currently in a long-term rebuild, having failed to qualify for the Stanley Cup Playoffs for the last six straight seasons. The Sharks last postseason appearance was in 2019, when they made it all the way to the Western Conference Final before being ousted by the eventual champion St. Louis Blues. We will discuss the Sharks rebuild with young stars like Macklin Celebrini, Will Smith, William Eklund and Yaroslav Askarov, while also seeing some former Dallas Stars on the roster in John Klingberg and Ty Dellandrea.

00:00 – Intro
1:45 – Ted Ramey Joins The Show
2:30 – The Pavelski Segment
15:55 – More With Ted Ramey
30:53 – Ted’s Thoughts on Dallas
35:24 – Sheng Peng Joins The Show
47:30 – More With Sheng Peng

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