Who Are The TOP Defensive Pistons EVER?
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Vinnie on the squad with us tonight. Fellas, what’s good, bro? How y’all feeling? How y’all feeling, bros? Man, I’m here. It’s been a while since we talked some Pistons basketball, man. Uh, a lot of of of Lions training cap takeover, man. So, I think it’s long overdue for the fan base. Man, you’ve been going in over there, King. I’ve been watching them videos, even the practice facility and all that. So, I might have to check updates out. You guys make sure you check out all of the updates that he has. Everything King, go follow him. Top title Detroit or sports. I know I was getting confused. Eric, uh, Detroit. Yeah, that’s mine right now. Detroit. So, y’all make sure y’all go take that out after. We going to get into that later, but shout out to you guys who are here in the chat already. Y’all got it popping. Will McGregor, appreciate you, bro. Says, “King and dudes legends. Can’t wait for the stream.” Appreciate you, bro. Hey, E. Vinnie is also a legend. We talking about legends tonight, but Eenny is also a legend. So, will we appreciate you, bro? Come. I mean, come on, bro. You know, I’m I’m taking baby steps in this game. I’m, you know, I got a lot of a lot of ground to make up to catch up with y’all, man. King, one of my, you know, the people I watched it get into this into the space, man. So, you too? You too? Oh, literally, I’ve watched him since like 2015. Yeah, he laid the groundwork down for me to be here, bro. For sure. Thanks for Thanks for making me feel old. Thanks. No. Yeah, let me let me let me get that cash app as soon as this is over. All right, King. All right, bet. Good luck. All right. So, uh, tonight fellas, this episode is going to be a little bit different. Um, as you guys know, we are in the thick of the offseason right now. And with about two months until Pistons basketball, a little bit less, um, we’re going to kind of scratch that itch a little bit tonight, the Pistons itch. So, we decided to give you guys some Pistons all time rankings. Now, this has been a hot topic. I made a post about this um, a couple days ago, and it has gotten a lot of buzz, a lot of feedback, a lot of engagement. So, tonight we’re going to talk about the top 10 all-time Pistons defenders. Pistons defenders. Not all time in the NBA, but just Pistons. We’re going to go with that. And like I mentioned, man, I shared this on Twitter yesterday, um, IG, and got a crazy amount of feedback. People calling me out, call me out my name. It’s all good. It’s all, you know, I get it. But we’re going to explain and break down why everybody on this list is where they are. By the way, side note, if anybody wants their personal list to be shared and broken down, send a super chat with your list and we will pull it up and we will see what y’all are working with or you can just drop comments in response to the list that I personally have and that we have. So, this list as is as of today. I want to make that clear. As of today, this list is subject to change. The list is fluid. It could be very different in as little as a year from now in my mind at least. So, keep that in mind guys that you’re watching. For me, longevity does play a factor in these rankings. These are based on when the Pistons were actually playing on when these players were playing with the Pistons, not when they’re playing other other teams. But I settle on my list based on a combination of impact on the floor, upside, and longevity. Those are the big things. Impact, upside, and longevity. So, keep that in mind as we’re going through this list. I do have before we get started some honorable mentions. Um, so let’s get to those. If you guys have any you want to add to this, uh, feel free. I’ve got guys like Dave de Busher, Theo Ratliff, Rasheed Wallace, Jerome Williams, Terry Tyler, John Bilips, Mark Min. You guys remember that name? Don Adams, Chris Ford, ML Carr, Edgar Jones, and Dan Rfield. So, those to me were all guys that I considered going through these rankings. Um, I don’t have them on my list, but I do think they should be in the conversation, but I just don’t have them in my top 10. You guys have any issue with those honorable mentions? We’ll start there. Yeah. What y’all think? Holl at me. Holl at me. Holl at me. Yeah. I One of them, one of them I’m I’m I’m tripping on. I’m okay with I mean, actually, I might have a problem with two of them. Um, okay. She has to be in this she got to be in this top 10. Okay. She honorable mention. She she has to be I mean the Wallace times two, you know, combo what they were able to form. Again, I always call the 04 Pistons the best defense in NBA history. Um and what I like about them so much and again the bad boys laid down the groundwork, you know, I have nothing, you know, nothing but respect for those guys. I just like you hear a lot from like a lot of former players now where they talk about, oh, Steph Curry would did that. We would have elbowed him and did. It’s like, yeah, all right, bro. But then you’d be out of the game. So that’s not really defense if you’re doing that. So, while I have respect for the Bad Boys and I think they were fantastic and I think it was necessary for them to add that attitude um you know to the league um you know as guys like Jordan and whatn not are coming up. I have a little more respect for guys like she playing in the era that they did as offense was you know becoming a little more you know profound in the NBA and he was able to like kind of transition from two different teams. I mean, he’s only in Atlanta for a second, but I I think what she was able to do, um, you know, great rebounder, um, great rim protector when he had to be, you know, wasn’t super consistent through his entire time in Detroit, but I think in his heyday over the first few years, I think he was, you know, still a dangerous defender, especially when they lost Ben um, when he went to Chicago. Um, I even think you might even want to put Jerome Williams in there. I mean, Jay, you know, Junkyard Dog was a monster on the glass. I mean, yeah. I don’t I don’t know if I could, you know, keep him as a as an honorable mention and then leave John Sally, you know, at that bottom line. I would switch one of those two for one of my two names. Me, that’s how I would do it. Okay. Okay. Okay. That’s interesting. K, what you got to say about that, bro? Um, yeah, I I can definitely give that. Ain’t no way I can put Sheed outside the top 10. Wow. Just based off of what him and Ben did, man. So yeah, I I pretty much agree with everything that that that Eric said, man. It it’s it’s tough because JYD is one of the names that comes up. You know what I’m saying? And like I said, everybody had a piece of the defense with those two teams, the bad boys and the go to work Pistons. You know, even Campbell had a a part in the defense, you know what I’m saying? Defending bigger centers, you know what I’m saying? So somebody got to get left off. That’s the thing. Let’s just go back to the Let’s just go to the list. You know what I’m saying? Let’s just The article mentioned I’m content. It’s just Rasheed. That’s all. Okay. Okay. I want And I’m with That’s kind of where I’m at, too, bro. Like, if you going to put somebody on, somebody’s got to come off. I think Eric, you made some good points there. Um I kind of push back a little bit on, you know, the hard foul thing. They they boys definitely were known for that. It didn’t start with them. It actually start with the Celtics. That’s who they learned from. True. But I I I just kind of think they get a bad rap and they kind of get um stereotyped into only being bruisers, only doing that. I think those guys for, you know, like you think about Rasheed Wallace. Um you mentioned this. I I’ll talk about that really quickly as to why I didn’t have in my top 10. A lot of people were saying, you know, I was crazy for not having guys like Sheed and Chanty on his list, and I definitely considered them, but I think there’s just something to be said for playing next to a four-time DPOI and Ben Wallace. And that’s not taking anything away from Rasheed, right? But I mean, you got one of the best, you know, all-around defenders of their generation, Taan Prince with you. And you also have, you know, one of the best defenders of his in NBA history playing alongside next to you. I think the 04 Pistons, like you mentioned, were one of the best defensive teams. They were one of the more connected defensive teams. They weren’t really built around a lot of individual top tier defensive players. Rip was solid. Shanty was solid. We know what Tay was. I thought Rashid was in that Rip and Chanty category when he came here. I feel like with the Blazers when he was a little bit little bit thinner, a little bit more spry, a little more athletic, that’s when he really had more impact defensively. But I just think that guys like Ben and Sean or Ben and Taan specifically, they made things a lot easier for the rest of the guys on the court. Like you think about that play uh the the famous block that Ben had on uh Shaq in Miami, right? On that play, helpside helpside play. That was a helpside play because Rashi was was getting a little lazy on defense under the hoop and when the inbound pass when the pass entry pass went to Shaq, you saw she just trying to push him. He’s trying to push him out the way. But he’s Shaq is so big that when he tried to push him, the only one that moved was she and he moved back. So had Ben not had the awareness to be there help side to make that block that would have been a totally different memory, totally different play. And I think that’s kind of a microcosm of the effect and impact that Ben had playing alongside of Rasheed Wallace. Not saying Rashi was a bad defender. He was above average defender, but I think having a guy who can erase mistakes like a Ben Wallace and make people forget about the lazy plays in that situation. All they remember is the block. I think having a guy like that can really benefit you and raise your defense. So, not taking anything away from him. I just think having that level of player alongside you is something to be said for that for me. And then I take that and flip it the other way too, man. Because since Ben Wallace is a guy that does nothing but play defense, it kind of makes Rasheed kind of look, you know, a little bit lesser than to me. That’s a good point. Like I said, it it kind of takes away from how good Rasheed Wallace was defensively because that’s like I said, that’s all Ben was known for. Yeah, the alley plays and you know, here and there, uh, fine, but he was just known strictly for his defense. You know what I’m saying? So that can kind of overshadow how good Rasheed was playing defense. That’s fair. That’s fair. I like what Dererick said. Robin and Sally were considered the defensive X-Factors on the Bad Boys. I definitely think that was the case. Um, a lot like how, you know, you could argue the same thing with Sheet and B. So, I get it, man. This there is no right answer, no perfect answers. This is just the list that I came up with, but I love the push back. Eric, you got some more for me? Shanti is interesting. Um, I know I think he made what, second team all defense, I think one time. Um, you know, again, you saw a lot of great defensive effort, um, you know, out of that whole crew. Um, I think it was awesome that they had Lindsay Hunter um, coming off the bench to kind of help spark plug with the the rotational guys of the reserves as well. Um, so no, I don’t have a problem with Chanty being suggested. I I have a I have a little push back on one more. Yeah. And I I don’t know. I don’t know if I’m right or wrong with this. I just think I think I think it’s too early to put a SAR where Oh, wait. Okay. Okay. Hold on. Hold on, hold on, hold on, hold on. We still Okay. Okay. This is honorable mention still. Yeah. So, so save that. Oh, we still Oh, my bad. My bad. Oh, my bad. I I’m jumping all over. My fault. He really want him off that list. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Let me chill. Sorry. Sorry. Sorry. We sold out. Chill on the young. My bad. My bad. My bad. My fault. If I If I got to wait to pull my by pistol, you got to wait, too. My fault. My fault. No. He acting like a surgeon in here, bro. He picking every little piece. My bad. No, it’s not. Hold that though cuz I want I definitely want to hear that cuz I heard a lot of that about the young guys. So we going to get into it. All right. So William McGregor coming back says if Slava Croat ain’t top five, we got to Wy. Come on, Will. It’s been a while since I heard that name, bro. Anybody else y’all want to throw in there that should be in there that’s not? I think that’s a that’s a pretty good one right there as far as somebody who should not be in the top five. That’s hilarious William Brew. That’s funny. That’s funny. All right. Okay. So, let’s go ahead and get to this list, man. I have it posted on IG. So, let’s go ahead and share it and then we will get into it. Starting with number 10. So, let’s pull that up. Okay. So, starting at number 10, I have John Spider Sally. John Sally was a guy who was, as Derek Pulley mentioned, a big X-factor as far as that bad boy defense, as far as just rim protection. But they called him Spider Sally because he has such a long wingspan and he was just long. He was long. He was wiry, springy, super athletic, um great rim protector. He guarded guys like Magic Johnson, um Larry Bird, MJ, all those guys. So, he definitely was a big part of that defense. Two-time NBA champion, um integral part in both of those championships. So, that is why I have him on this list. Chat reaction. King Eric reaction to John Sally at number 10. I already know Eric got something for me, but let’s let’s hear it. Go ahead, Eric. You get nothing for me. I’m I’m good with it. I would, this is the one I would take off. I would take John Sally off of this list. I think I think I think JYD and I think she’d have arguments to kind of replace him. Now, granted, he was fantastic in, you know, being one of those, you know, help defenders, you know, for the bad boys when he was here. I just think I don’t know. I feel like I think she averaged I think he had better numbers like around. I think is I mean obviously different times so numbers are going to fluctuate based on you know errors or whatnot but I think um what she was able to do in like I said just adding that stability to you know that that core that they had especially replacing a guy like Memo who didn’t play a lot of defense I think him being able to add that extra leap you know to where they were already where they’re already a good defensive team but I think he just took them to a different plane and I like we talked about kind of how underrated like Sally was I feel like she was kind of like in that same category as well. Okay. Um yeah, he was a good defender with the the Blazers. Um but I think he really made his neck when he was with the Pistons and I mean obviously while they to me again like I said I think they’re the best defensive team in NBA history and I think Sheet is a big reason why. So me personally and knowing Junkyard Dog is one of the best rebounders of that time as well. I would put one of those two over Sally in this position if I could. King. Hey, like I said, I’m good with it, man. I I I’m good with it. He’s not the guy that I would take off. Um Okay. You know, like I said, I came into basketball watching the Bad Boys as a kid. I know how important John Sally was. Um especially in the role that he played. So, I don’t have a problem with it at all. So, I think I think I think I think your argument is fair for She I can’t really get behind JYD. I don’t really see anything that JYD that did that Sally didn’t do and he wasn’t quite as big. I felt like he was as good of a perimeter defender as JYD. He was longer. He was taller. Um but better rim protector in my opinion. So, that’s the one I can’t get behind. But the sheet argument, I’m not mad at that. I’m not mad at that. I think the argument could be made for him at 10. Um so, I’m not mad at that one. I’m not mad at that one at all. Michelle said I’m biased towards a bad boy. Sally was a dog and we Yeah. Like and all these guys were It’s It’s hard, man. Like when you talking top 10, and that’s kind of what made this list fun is that everybody’s list is going to be different, you know, but I think we’re going to kind of all have the a lot of the same guys just in a different order. And for me, it was just John Sally at at number 10. But once again, I do understand, you know, names like Rasheed being a little bit being on this list or, you know, being even higher. So, I’m with that. All right. Okay. So, let’s go to number nine. At number nine, we have Lindsay the Pitbull Hunter. Um, I definitely felt like he should have been on this list for sure. Um, and both of his stints with the Pistons, I thought he was really good, especially the last stint though with the with the, you know, the title run that we had. Him and Mike James, the damage they would do when they came into the game. We talked about those three components as far as impact, right? A lot of time, you know, you think about people who were saying that Chanty should have been on this list. Johny was solid, but the you felt the defensive intensity go up when Lindsay came into the game. That was what he was known for. You saw he was creating a lot of turnovers. A lot of things you would see you would see with John in the game, the Pistons would get stops, which is good. But you would see when Lindsay’s in the game, he’s turning him over and getting easy buckets on the other end. So for me, I think just how he came into the game, never took a play off was a pest on both sides. He could guard, he could guard one through three at times. At times smaller threes. So I think just his ability to press, you know, guard you 94 ft make and just kind of change the complexity of the game when the offense may be stuck in the mud, just kind of giving you that bolt or that jolt of energy that you need. I felt like he was one of those guys, even though he’s a guard, not a big guard, I feel like because of how he played and the impact that he had, I couldn’t leave him off of this list. Thoughts on that? Uh Lindsay, obviously no problem there. I don’t know about number nine though. Okay, number nine because Yeah, because man little Lizzy was getting busy on them guards, man. You know what I’m saying? So, I’m trying I’m trying not to I’m not trying. Yeah, a little bit higher on the list for me. Okay. Um, but yeah, I’m I’m definitely with it, man. I mean, how could you not have Lindsay Hunter on the list, man? That was that that them two little pit bulls, man, was something else to watch. You know what I’m saying? And like I said, a lot of them matchups, man, they he just made things a lot different for us out there, man. So, yeah. Yeah, I agree. What you think, Evenie? I’m I’m 100% with King. He has to be higher on this list. I feel like nine is kind of disrespectful. I think he needs to be I I would even put him in the in the in the the rank above where he is now. Um Okay. Yeah, he’s his defense never stopped. Like he was good from the time he was a rookie. I remember him guarding LeBron when he was a veteran, giving him problems on the ball. Like he was one of them ones. And again, the fact that that was like his mantra for his entire career. And normally you see some slippage in guys. I don’t remember ever seeing Lindsay like kind of like not have that same intensity, be able to guard you 94 ft. Like you know, we we literally saw the league kind of evolve with bigger guards. So they tried to post him up. But if he was picking you up face to face, you were having a problem. Like I remember being a kid and my pops telling me like, “Hey, you want to learn how to play defense? Watch him.” And that’s exactly what I did. went to his basketball camp, picked up too many pointers from him. No. Yeah, Lindsay got to be higher on this list for sure. Okay. Where would you put him at? I would put him in the alltimer list. Really? Okay. We going to get to the tiers later. So, you put him like Yeah, in that five to se five to seven range, maybe. Yeah, I’m re Yeah, I’m I’m cool with a lot of the names you have on here, but I’m kind of reordering some of these names. I feel like Lindsay got to be higher on this list. Respect. I ain’t mad at that. I’m not mad at that at all. Rashad Walker says Lindsay had opposing PGs shaking their head when they seen him coming. Yeah, exactly. It’s kind of like when Brian at the free throw line playing with the Heat against the Spurs and he saw Kawhai coming in, he’s like, it was kind of like that. Same kind of thing. Like I got to deal with this dude now. Like he just he made life hell for you as soon as he came into the game. So I’m not mad at that at all. I think that’s kind of high like five to seven for me cuz once again it’s like who you going to move ahead. So with that we can move to number eight on this list and see who is there. So at number eight for on this list guys I have start Thompson and this is when things really started to get interesting. So this is when things really started to get interesting. Now let me just say my piece on this. Um you guys know you know I call our Thompson the backbone is defense right? He covers up so many mistakes. He’s a great helpside defender on ball and great on ball defender. guys on that. And you literally feel the defensive resistance ease up when he’s not on the court. That’s the impact piece, those three components, right? The things that he can do physically, I’ve probably only seen three or four people in my history of watching basketball do, including his brother, which is crazy. But the things that he can do, he’s one of the best all-around athletes I have ever seen, ever seen as far as being able to run up the court laterally. Uh his vertical jump, his foot speed, his reaction time, his pro defensive processing, his health, like everything that he is the perfect prototype for a defender. And there’s not a lot of guys who I’ve seen that can do all who just across the board just good athletically across the board. No weaknesses as far as athleticism. So for me, that’s why I had to put him on his list, like I think he has the highest upside of anybody on his list. And even though I know it’s just year three coming up for him, but the things that he’s shown me already, the upside piece, that’s why I had him on his list, but I couldn’t put him any higher because he doesn’t have the longevity. So I think in a couple years he could be in the legend tier, but I but I think as of right now, I couldn’t put him any higher eight, but I do think he deserves to at least be here. thoughts on that? I know. Go ahead. Push back. Let me hear it. Come on. Come on. I already know it’s coming. Eric, go ahead. Cuz I’m be like Stephen A. You better go ahead. You want me to go? You go first. I I I can’t I can’t get with it, man. It And I I I really like Assar. I just feel like there is a lot of gas on him right now that he has not proven. Like just a lot. I’m sorry. I I know I’m I’m high on his upside as well. I I definitely love his athleticism. I love the versatility he brings offensively and defensively. We all see the potential. I just feel like it’s way more potential than production right now. And it’s not to say that he’s not producing cuz he for sure is. But if we were to look at these list of guys right now and you’re just like going around like looking at numbers, the numbers are there like they kind of weigh out in some areas. But a lot of these guys we also remember from moments as well. Talk about Lindsay Hunter picking up 94 ft. Um, you know, we’re gonna talk about Taan. Ben has a million moments. Rodman has a million moments. Assaar don’t have a moment that has stamped him as a alltimer yet. And I feel like moments are important. Like I just I don’t see it yet. To me, the moment that kind of is standing out for him, and it’s maybe fair, not fair, but the biggest moment if you were to ask about him right now to me would be when he got crossed up by Jaylen Brunson. They got iced for that gay winner. See, like I’m being honest, bro. That’s true. But what did he do the last three minutes before that? He literally has shut JB down before that. So it’s like guys like that are going to score for sure. You know what I’m saying? It just happened to be the very last play of the game. Like he was on an island all of these all of these possessions defending this dude, right? Like causing 24 second violations in the in the heat of in the heat of the moment at the end of the game. So it’s like that that may have been the biggest moment, but it’s kind of like the last shot. Like I don’t think say certain guys are the best player because they had the most buzzer beaters. No, no, not and that Kobe had the most buzzer beaters than anybody. So, you gonna put him above MJ? Like, it’s just like it’s just that kind of conversation. Like, go ahead. What are your thoughts on that? No, I just say like I I hear what you’re saying. You’re 100% right on that, but we also have to be clear about where he is at this point. Again, a lot of what we’re so hopeful on with Assar is the potential. That’s the first thing that everybody talks about with him, but we also have to talk about what he’s been doing as well. He has foul trouble issues. He guards with his hands way too much and he doesn’t have to. He has a great wingspan. He’s quick. He’s fast. He’s a blur. He can cover all points of the of the floor, but he has areas where he’s not a perfect defender yet. I feel like people are just so high on the potential that they already think that he’s all time in a lot of different areas and he’s just not. He’s he has not proven that yet at all. Like again, he may get there, but we have not seen that at this moment yet. He ain’t made know all NBA defensive teams. He hasn’t played a full season. He doesn’t again he doesn’t have a signature moment where you can say, “Oh yeah, that stamps who he is as a defender.” Like we just haven’t seen enough to really stamp him as that. Like people think his brother is in a different stratosphere than him for a reason. Like he just has to show a little bit more. Well, I mean we got to consider his brother was not for eight months either with like we got to consider these things too. I mean like you the things he was and once again for me the the component of upside was probably higher for him more than anybody else. I probably factored that in more for him than anybody else because I think he has that much upside. the things he was able to do despite missing so much time and being thrown to the Wolves in the middle of the Red Season while being asked to guard every team’s best offensive player every single night and doing the things he was able to do and still being far and away our best defensive player despite all that is why I put so much stock into his upside. I understand what you’re saying. He hasn’t shown it yet. But for me, the I’ve seen enough I’ve seen enough to know barring anything crazy happening, knock on wood, that he’s going to be one I think as early as next year, he’s going he can move up at least two or three spots. Listen to what you say. You said what he’s going to be what he can become. I’m seeing y’all in the chats too. He’s going to become that. What is he at this current moment? Okay, so Derek Pium says, “What constitutes a signature moment? Is it a moment in the playoffs or is it key highlights? So, how would you respond to that, Eric? It could be key highlights. It could be like, let’s say, um, the Tan block, the Taan block, T-Max offensive streak where he scores 10 straight points against the Spurs to bring them back to a victory. I don’t think we’ve seen enough of that from Assar to say, okay, yeah, he’s the guy and he’s proven all of these things. Like, again, the mo the highest thing we’re on right now is the potential. I feel like the production from what we’ve seen, which is great, there’s also some problems that he needs to iron out as well. The foul trouble is a problem. Like the the ability to stay on the floor is a problem. He has to be able to solve that this season before I can give my stamp. It’s not We haven’t seen the eliteness on a consistent basis. Like there was games where JB couldn’t play in more than 20 minutes because of his conditioning or his foul trouble. That’s a problem. Him and JD had the same problems with foul trouble. He’s got to prove that like a little bit more. I have not seen this elite stamp that’s that’s existent right now. Are the tools there? Yes. But the production consistently, I’m not seeing it yet. Just not yet. So, as of Do you think a year from now and I understand what you’re saying because you’re putting more stock on what he’s accomplished and I’m putting more stock on what I think he will accomplish. So, I I understand it. Do you think a year from now we’ll be having a different conversation about where he is? No. As far as ranking, a year from now Uh, I mean he can. Yeah, I think he can make a different conversation for sure. Um, you know, I don’t think it’s a ton of guys trying to get Okay. Yeah. But King says different. Why you say no, bro? He say no. Go ahead. My turn now. Yeah. Go. No, we ain’t done. We ain’t done. Clear out. Clear out. Go ahead. Go ahead. All right. For the love of God, Pistons. Oh my gosh. Especially in the comments. Get out the damn moment. We have a SAR ahead of Lindsay Hunter. Someone who literally just had his first full season and an opportunity to even try to play and learn defense in front of somebody who did it. Somebody we talking about champions here. We talking about guys who are the legacy of the Pistons. We’re talking about a guy on a young team that just learned how to win games. They just started. I have not seen nothing. What? What the hell is a Sard done? Give me what? He played some good defense on on So, wait a minute. But hold on, hold on, hold on, hold on, hold on. No, no, no, no. He played a He played some good defense on somebody for a couple of minutes in a playoff game. Godamn it. Killian Hayes used to lock up [ __ ] Bro, we’re not doing that. We’re not doing that. We’re not doing that. We’re not doing that. We’re not doing that. We are not putting Killian Hayes in the same conversation with Assar Thompson in any facet of the game. We’re not doing that. I was with you for a minute, but when you said that, nah, bro. It’s levels. It’s levels, bro. He He can’t even get on his own national team, bro. We’re not doing that. You get my point. I’m not I hear what you’re saying, King. I hear what you’re saying. Don’t mean nothing. Just cuz somebody play defense for a couple of good minutes don’t mean you throw him on a top 10 [ __ ] list. Couple of good minutes. What are you talking about, bro? He was guarding the best player every single night. The reason we don’t remember all these every single night. Not every single night. The No, he was guarding the best player every single night. He was assigned the best player every single night. Who was Who was who was assigning the best player of the night? Every night outside of him. I didn’t I didn’t see him. Who was guarding Trey Young? Who was like who was guarding all these guys? Who was guarding Brunson? Who was guarding Donovan Mitchell? Who was guarding these guys every single night? You’re going to be in foul trouble guarding the best player on the court every single night. Bro, you’re going to get in foul trouble at times when you’re guarding the best player every single night. Everybody talks about Brunson is clapping. You had your opportunity to talk. Go ahead. I didn’t see him guarding Anthony when they played the Timberwolves. I didn’t see him guarding the best guard or the best scorer on every single team this season. I didn’t see that. I seen it sometime here and there. I seen it against the Knicks. Whoopde-doo. What the hell are we talking about? It’s He did it against Trey Young. He did it against Donovan Mitchell. He did it against Jaylen Brown. Hunter, are you kidding me right now? There was a There was a kid me right now. I’m not at all the textbook in the moment right there. That is in the moment. No, I I outlined. Listen, I outlined the three points exist. They can’t even hold the gym bags of those other two teams and we [ __ ] putting them in front of guys. So, let me ask you a question. Like I said, like I mentioned, I mentioned very clearly the components that I used for this list. And I mentioned athleticism. I don’t care about him and his brother that none of that matters with a top 10 list of defense of the Detroit Pistons. None of that matters. None of that. I disagree. I disagree. What you’ve done and did you win the games? Did you win some championships? That’s what matter. Playing that defense. Gold teams to 65 points playing that defense. So, let me ask you a question. Let me ask you a question. Let me ask you a question. Let me ask you a question. Let me ask you a question. Let me I What we talking about? I will tell you what we’re talking about. You asked the question. So now you got me give you the answer. Stopped in this league. Even even in the bro. Who are the team? You got you can’t you can’t just talk about the individual player and not look at the team. Are we comparing Monty Williams to kill you? Is that what we doing since we’ve been watching basketball? That ain’t bro. You’re literally Okay, put a time on all four pistons. What happens then? Like what are we talking about, bro? That’s what happened. He’s not even a better defender than Taan yet. What the hell we talking about? No, he’s not. But t is Lindsay a better defender than Taan Prince Brian and watch what happened. Is Lindsay a better defender than Taan Prince? Half the time. Is Lindsay a better defender than Taan Prince? I never said nothing about Taan Prince. What are you talking about? I ain’t mentioning his name. I’m talking about this guy. Hunter has literally had to to guard the some of these best guards, especially in playoff moments where they actually won the game and teams under 75 points. That’s cool. He wasn’t the only one, bro. Bro, it’s a team game. You’re giving him credit like he was guarding all five players every single night and holding 25 points by himself now. But he has never taken somebody completely out of a game. That’s a fact. Okay. No, that’s fair. I’m not arguing that. Once again, I’m putting stock into what I think he’s going to become. I said like five times already in the moment. And he’s the only guy I’m doing that with because to me, he has the potential to be a all-time great defender. So, that’s what I’m basing it off of. You’re basing it off what what you know what guys did over the course of their career. I get it. Cool. I’m not doing that. I’m looking at he’s shown me already what he’s going to be. He’s going to be all time better defend Hunter easily. He may pass some of the guys you mentioned like Tan Prince over time. That can’t be the measure. Top three. That can’t be the measure though. What an age guy on the top 10 over guys. That’s my problem. That’s my problem. Like we look we watch him in the playoffs. We saw you could argue that Dennis Schroeder had better defense on Jaylen Brunson. You could legitimately make that argument. Like once again, he wasn’t played full. No, he was not. No, he was not. No, he was not. Dennis played better defense on Breston. He was he was playing better than him in certain games. Absolutely. For the for the series. I’m talking about not not when you when you got to come in when a guy has already been playing 5 minutes and you guard him then. I’m talking about start of the game from the very beginning of the game to the end of the game. Who was guarding you in that last play? Who was guarding him at the end of the game? Was shorter guarding him if he’s much better. I was in the guard. He got murdered him at the end. He was record getting cooked. No, I was outside. That’s why he had to sit down. And that’s why when the Sar came in, he shut him down until that very last play. Bro, what we talking about? Should was was dropping his he was dropping his shoulders every play because Brunson was just cooking him shot after shot after shot. He had to sit down. They had to bring who shut him down on three straight possessions and then Brunson hit the last shot. Okay. Brunson ain’t going he ain’t going to go eight for eight, bro. Yeah, he gonna miss a shot or two, but he did cook Assar for the final shot. That mattered. That’s all. That does matter. But there is no final shot if he don’t shut him down the previous three for a plays. We Why we Why we You talking about caught in the moment. You focusing on the last moment. What? Come on, bro. That was the moment though. Well, you can’t say you can’t say we’re caught in the moment and then just focus on the moment. What are you talking about, bro? Come on. All the time. This is not new. This is not special. You see do that all the time. They they absent for the whole game and then at the end of the game they bust your ass. We seen Cat do it to us. That’s not special because you for a a small little segment, a couple of minutes. What? I’m glad you mentioned Cat. I’m mad. I’m glad you mentioned Cat cuz that explains why there is another person on this on this list that is there that that hasn’t been playing for a long time but is there because of the impact. Because of the impact. Since we talked about that, let’s move to number seven. I have Isaiah Stewart at number seven for the very reasons you just mentioned. For the exact reasons you just mentioned. For Stu, it’s a lot of the same things I mentioned with Assar. This is going to be year six for him. So, he has a few years on him, right? But just like Assar, when Stu isn’t on the court, you feel the defense loosen up. The resistance, especially at the rim for Stu, is not the same. His impact, there’s that component again. It’s you feel it when he’s missing. Let me ask you a question. You mentioned all those cats that shot was that Cat was hitting. all those shots that Cat was hitting at the end of the game in game six of that series in the series as a whole. Do you think he’s doing that if Steu was available? He’s not doing that. He’s not doing that’s not happening. All those fadeaway shots and all those things you just you just did the whole We just talked about the whole situation in the last segment. We just talked about the whole W situation. So, how you going to not do it now? How am I going to say Ste would have locked them up? How do I know that? Because you told me and everybody else that had Stu and Jay not even available, we went a series. You told me that. You told everybody that. Listen, I I’m a Pistons fan, too, ladies and gentlemen, but I’m not going to sit here and talk crazy. Cat is a superstar in this league. I don’t know what the hell he would have did against Stu uh Stu in them situations. He is a superstar for a reason. They went and got him for a reason. Stu is a great defender. He really impressed me this season. No, I’m not going to sit here and act like Stew is just some some Ben Wallace or something. Did I say that? Is he number one? Don’t do that. He in the top 10. Let’s be accurate. I ask you a question. Is he number one? Is he number two or is he Anybody should have been a should have been Steu. It should be Assar. You talking about Ben Wall. You crazy, bro. William McGregor says, “I’m dying, dudes. Let the man talk.” My bad. My bad. My bad. That’s on me. Hold on. Yeah. Okay. Said just a follow absolutely nuts. Tesla got more potential than trace. So, okay. So, okay. Fine. So, it’s obvious that you guys are focused more so accomplished potential. We don’t do potential. We do results. No, we do potential. Bro, our whole team is based on potential. Listen, listen, listen. I let you talk. Now it’s my turn. I let you talk. Now it’s my turn. You just said we don’t do potential. What is our What is our core? Our whole core is literally No, no, no. Hold on, hold on, hold on. Our whole core is literally potential. If we weren’t talking potential, we would go and trade all these young guys for accomplished Vex. It is potential. It’s a big reason why Sar is still on his team in the starting lineup is because of his potential. So, you can’t say we don’t do potential. That’s a whole different topic. We talking about the top 10 defense of all time for the Pistons. That’s what we’re talking about. where this team is going. That has nothing to do with nothing. That’s my point. I’m looking at his potential as an individual player, as an individual player based on what he has already shown. For me, somebody has somebody ever made the Hall of Fame based off potential? No, they haven’t. But his career, listen, has anybody ever been in the Hall of Fame before their career is over? No. But but guess what? They have to finish the career first. They have to do the work first before they get the accolades. I’m not giving nobody no damn accolades or potential. Okay. I am. I am. And he’s the only one that gets that for me. So that’s So is is Story not in your top 10 either. He’s a young player. Hold on. Hold on. Hold on. Hold on. Hold on. Hold on. At the bottom. Is he in your top 10? He would have to be 10. Why is he in your top 10? Just because of what I’ve seen consistently since he’s been here. He didn’t start doing this until last year, bro. He didn’t start doing this until last year. Student. Nobody was talking about how great of a defensive player Steu was until last year. That’s because a lot of people hated Until last year. Huh? It’s because of what? A lot of people hated him. I wasn’t that guy. They was trying to make him shoot threes. That was his coach. That wasn’t his fault. I knew what he was. Even we weren’t talking about him being up against wise men in college. I knew who the hell I was watching before he came to the Pistons before last year. Would you have had him in your top 10? No. I probably wouldn’t know. Exactly. So you’re basing him there off of what you saw of last season. Last season was what got you there. One season is what got you there. If anybody could make this top 10 off of that team, that current team, that whole team, it would be Stu and it would have to be 10. That’s being But it was based off of what he did last year. You’re missing the point. It’s based off what he did last year. Before last year, he was nowhere near this list for anybody anybody until last year. So why are we looking at Assar who did a lot of this? So why are we doing the same thing with Assar who has people but we can’t put in there because it’s only one year when before last year nobody has Stew in the top 10 before last season. Last year is what put him there for everybody. It was last year. That’s what put him there. So I’m putting Assar in there for the same reason because of what I saw in a small off my list. You said what? If it’s my list a getting the hell off my list. Well, go ahead and make you one and I’ll break your break yours down, too. This mine. I Stu has shown more, though. I mean, we know things about Stu. We know that he’s one of the best rim protectors in basketball. The numbers prove it. We’ve seen highlights of him being one of the few guys that can stifle Giannis going at the rim. Like, that’s a fact. Those are things that we’ve seen proven already. We’ve seen Cade was clapping as uh Stew was locking up. Right. This what he’s proven though. That’s what I’m saying. And even before that, he was out guarding guys like Trey Young on the island, guarding other guards on the island and holding his own Tyrese Maxi. Like, he was doing those things on a consistent basis. He also doesn’t have the health problems that always known as a known I agree. He was always known me. No, no, I’m not saying that. What I’m saying is he’s always had he’s always been a defensiveminded player, but he hasn’t had anywhere close to this impact until last year. But Assar hasn’t had anything as good last year was because they coaching change. What are you talking about? So you you’re going to discredit all the work that Stu Pen put in this off seasonason. He became a totally different player, bro. It wasn’t just because of coach bigger staff put in better positions. He had he you had one coach that was pushing him out to the three-point line. The other coach told him to go and be good at what you good at. That’s the difference. I’m not talking about offense. I’m talking about one-on-one mono at the rim, playing great help, playing great rotational defense, and just blocking the shot. That’s what I’m talking about. Not offensive, not shooting threes, not sticking to who you are offensively. I’m talking about just making incredible defensive plays on his own. But he hasn’t He’s giving you more than just potential, though. That’s the difference between the two. As a is just potential at this point. Everybody else that we’ve talked about thus far has proven I can guard one through five. I can shut down superstars. I can anchor a top 10 defense. Assar has not proven that yet. Here is my point. Here is my point. What I was making. It’s not just about the offense. It’s just the fact that Stu got to be who he was supposed to be. You’ve seen that people everybody we still got it. It still lingers for some of the fan base with Jay Nivy. Jay Ivy was looked at to be a bad player because of the coach he was up under. He had Killian A’s plan in front of him. The coach does matter. The culture does matter. All of that matter did improve. He did improve, but at the same time allowed to be himself. Tremendous worry about going to sit on the bench cuz they made a bad play or they foul here. They was allow they was allowed to be themselves. All I’m saying is that before last season alone, nobody was talking about Isaiah Stewart and how great of a defender he was. They were saying he is solid. Now, last year, he’s one of the top defenders in the league because of what happened in one season. He’s always been known to be a defensive-minded player, but nobody looked at him as a top tier defensive player before last year. And King is right, the coach does play a part in it, but I’m not going to sit up here and say that was the only reason why he became that because we King always talks about the work he puts in in the offseason. That dude is always working on his defense. And so I’m not going to discredit that and I’m going to look at what he did and why people are saying he is who he is is because of last year. That is what people are look if if you ask people to talk about Isaiah Stewart, they’re going to reference something that happened last year, not anything else. It’s going to be based off of last year. So based off of that since we’re talking about what happened primarily to get him to this point is it’s been a year’s time. The same thing with Assar Thompson. You can say the same thing for him. He didn’t play as much. I get it. He made a lot of mistakes. I get it. But I feel like the impact level between those two guys last year was close to the same as far as how they were able to impact the game defensively. And because of that being consistent with that, that’s why I have them back to back. Nah, I don’t know about saying that. Yeah. I can’t get close. You could even say close. And that’s why I have him seven and eight. Okay. Um, listen, I’m not even talking about a Sardamote. He out my top 10. The only Here’s the real reason why Steu would get in my top 10. I feel comfortable enough to put Stu after what I’ve seen over his whole time as a Piston. I feel comfortable enough to put him on one of those other championship teams and still say that we would be really, really good defensive. That is the I can’t put Assar in front of Tracy McGrady. I can’t do that. Not at this point because he can’t even stay on the ground right now at this point, bro. Oh, guardian. You mean? Yes. Is that what Okay. Okay. So, certain matchups and and T-Mac, I can’t do that yet. So, I got to leave him out. Ste, I bring him in because of that. Okay. I’m not mad at that. That’s that’s that’s a solid point. Yeah. This is based on accomplishments and what we’ve seen thus far. Even people in the comments saying, you know, any team in the league would love to have a Sar. I’m sure they would based on the potential they think he can bring with his athleticism. Like Stu has shown again he can be a rim protector. He can guard on the island and so can Assar. But has he shown to be a great rim protector in the same breath? Not necessarily. Like Stu played what 72 games last season. I think he played 70 plus early in this year as well while also having some injury issues in between a couple other years. But he’s proven more especially off of last season. Last season proved that he’s one of the best defenders in basketball. Assar is only showing he could be one of the best defenders in basketball. We have not seen that yet out of him on a consistent enough basis to put him in a top 10 stamped list on a team like the Detroit Pistons who thrive on defenses. I hear what you’re saying. I hear what you’re saying. I just I just I just I think it’s a little bit of a short short memory to act like before last season people was talking about how Isaiah Stewart’s going to be one of the best defenders in the league. Nobody was saying that, bro. Nobody was saying that. All this all this fanfare that Steu has was getting didn’t start before last year. They were looking at him as a solid solid backup, you know, defensive minded guy, hard foul you, no nonsense, running down LeBron. That’s that was that was the narrative with She with Steu. But but but he but it happened over one season is my point. The gradual change the stark change was elite. Why did LeBron elbow Stew because he was pestering him? I knew then Steu was a good defender. I don’t I’m not like those, you know, the in the- moment crowd. I remember those plays that he did make and those steps he was taking before last season. I knew he was a good defender. Our team was horrible at that point. We had a bad coach and a bad team at that time. So, I think a lot I think that affected both of them though. I think that affected us too much too. Even in the comments section, being honest, can we acknowledge that? I expect a lot of the comments in the comment section because I know for a fact some of these dudes are here. They not the same age as we are. They didn’t see some of these guys play. So I I get it. I understand it. They’re going to automatically be in the moment. I didn’t see him play. What the hell am I going to say he’s better for? The only thing everybody here is not like that though. We got a lot of young people. We got a lot of We got a pretty pretty versatile I didn’t say everybody. I said a lot of them guys in the comments are they’re young, man. So I Derek more than all you do. We’ve seen I seen all three of them. I’ve seen the bad boy era, the go to work Pistons, and all the way up to now. I seen all of them play live basketball. I do too. You act like I ain’t here. Come on. What we doing? I don’t even want to do the era thing because that changes. No, we not No, no, no, no. That changes the whole Yeah. You know what I’m saying? Change the whole conversation. This lollipop lead, the defense that we got right now, fine. Assar has potential, but again, he is not getting in the top 10. Listen, that’s your list and I feel it. But for me, I put more stock into that personally. So, we can leave that there. So, I got Steuart. So, are y’all good with Steuart 7? No, I got to I got to bring Stew down. He He can’t be over Lindsay Hunter yet. Um, I’m okay with him being in front of Spider Sally. I wouldn’t put him over Lindsay Hunter right now. And yeah, I would kick. I have obviously have a problem with a SAR being here. And I can put him over Spot because I can see Stu having the same role. I can see him having the same impact. That’s why I can do that. Like King just asked, do we think or you asked Duce could in a year could it change? Yeah. But we’re going on what we’ve seen thus far. And again, Star Sar only has two seasons and really like shrunken down. He’s been hurt. Exactly. So to say he’s all time already, I I just I can’t ride with that. But again, Steu has given you enough to be put in an alltime conversation with this franchise. I don’t think Assar has given that yet. Again, this is a lot based on if I’m putting Bruce Brown and KCP and all these type players on. No. No. You know why? They they never did either of those guys ever show the upside that it’s our that it’s our Thompson show. No. And it’s not even close. He did. Come on, bro. Really? Really? We’re doing that? What is he known for right now in the league, bro? Who was talking about Bruce Brown and anybody’s all NBA list? When he was here, Pistons fans was. Now we forgot about No, I’m not I’m not talking about Pistons fan. You just talked about how they biased and always in the moment, right? I’m talking about around the league. Who was talking about Bruce Brown being all NBA defender? What are we doing? Stop this. Everybody else is talking about Thompson. What are you talking about? What do you mean? What? Huh? Nobody’s talking about a star but Pistons fans. Really? The only no that’s not true. Nobody is sitting there talking about talking about Assar. You really just compare Bruce Brown with Sar Thompson defensively. Who? Who’s talking about Assar? I watch no TV show talking about. Okay. I have I have I’ll show you. How about that? Have you seen any podcast? Somebody said, “Yeah, they’re a Yeah, Brian, all Zack Low, Brian Wor, all these guys talk about a Sar talking about the Pistons in general.” No, I’m not talking about that. I’m not talking about that. I’m talking about individually. I’ll show you. We’ll leave it there. Otherwise, we go all night. Go all night. Let’s move on, man. Let’s move on. Let’s go to number six. I got Rick Mahorn. Number six. Thoughts on that? I’m fine with that. See how the conversation just switched up real quick. Yo, cuz I I know what he is. I know what he’s done. Yeah. Yeah. He has the background. Okay. What about you? Are there? Yeah. I don’t have a problem with it at all. He’s He’s all time I He’s a part of an all-time defense. I mean, one of the most important bad boys in NBA history. Yeah. I don’t have a problem at all with Rick Mahorn being where he’s at. Again, he showed enough consistency through his career, you know, as a rim protector. Um, you know, one of very active rebounder. Rick Mahor did a lot and proved a lot. I feel like it wasn’t, this isn’t, again, it’s not a potential conversation. Obviously, he’s retired now, so it’s a little different, but yes, he’s shown enough to be, you know, a part of this list. I don’t know if I would go as high as six, but, you know, I think he’s I think maybe between six, maybe through eight, I think would be fine enough for him. Gang, anything else on that? I live in the box, so I don’t know, man. First time. You obviously probably a 20 year old, man. Be quiet. Anyway, the grown folks are talking. Go ahead. Rick Mahorn. I It’s obvious. I I What do you even need to say? Like, it is obvious. I mean, Rick Mahorn, Bill, that’s obvious. Yeah. Like for me like because those guys because what they brought defensively from a not just just from a mental standpoint. We always talk about the physicality but the mental standoint. They could take you out of your game. They could literally take the best player out of the game mentally yapping at them, you know, getting in their face just making things very uncomfortable for him. That I think was one of his biggest thing. He wasn’t a super athlete, you know, but he was a guy who who was very played very good positional defense, very smart defender, very crafty defender, and he can get in your head. And I think that was what really gave him an edge playing those bad boys days. guys like Bill and Beer we’re going to get to and guys like you know uh James Edwards and all these different guys who were on that squad. John Sally as we mentioned. So I think he deserves he has a rightful place on this list and I have him right there at six. I think that’s a good spot for him. Okay, that one that went quick. All right, let’s move on to the next. Let’s move on to number five. Bill the thrill lamb beard obvious thoughts on this. Let’s start with you E. Yep. No argument at all. Um yeah, averaged what over 10 rebounds at least like four or five times in his career. Again, kind of what we said with um you know, with with uh Rick Mahorn, he laid down a lot of the groundwork and the foundation as a all-time defender for this team. I mean, he was great on the glass, you know, physical with everybody. Didn’t back down for nothing. Um yeah, Bill absolutely deserves to be here. I ain’t got no problem with his placement at all. Kane, same thing. Same thing. That’s I mean, that’s obvious. You know what I’m saying? It’s Bill and Bear. You talking even top five, you got to put him in there. Yeah, I couldn’t leave my top five, bro. Yeah, I just You just have to put him in there. I couldn’t do like a lot of people, you know, when you think about rebounding um titles and alltime rebounders for teams, you might think Andre Drummond, you might think Ben Wallace, Bill Lambir is far and away the leader in Pistons rebounds. Yes, he’s the patriarch of bad boys. Yes, he is the P. Yes. Yes. 100%. And he wasn’t like Rick Mahorn. He wasn’t a super athlete. You couldn’t slide tissue up under his feet when he jumped. Like dude didn’t have avert. But he once again he played great positional defense. He was a banger. And he just had this relentlessness about him, bro. Like this dude, he was relentless to it. It It was It was insane just he was afraid of nobody. Like these you saw just how impactful these guys were. Like for example, when Eric Mahorn left when the Pistons lost to the expansion draft, you saw how teams started getting a little bit more brave as far as pushing back, right? It’s just the impact that these guys had. Once again, you felt it when it wasn’t there. And he was an incredible rebounder, bro. For him to not be able to have to to have any kind of vert or really crazy top tier athleticism to be able to do what he did just to secure the rebound. It it was incredible. Incredible, man. And once again, obviously part of that two-time backto-back championship run. So, yeah, I had to I had to put him here. I couldn’t put him any any lower than five. So, yall good with that? Go ahead. Yeah, I I I want to address this real quick in the comments. Don’t be disrespectful. I see the comment that you made. Sports time. Listen, you want to be a young little sassy dude, do that somewhere else. We’ll put you out of here in a heartbeat, bro. We don’t We don’t play sassy dudes here. We don’t like that. I ain’t see what it was, so I don’t even know what’s going on right now. That’s usual with y’all Gen Zers, bro. Y’all soft and sensitive. Do your thing somewhere. Let’s just uh Can we all just get along tonight, y’all? No, we can’t. I don’t like that. Don’t Don’t know. We out here. Let’s get to it. You want to be disrespectful? Let’s keep it respectful, y’all. We just having fun conversation. I know we really get into it. You know, me and King always going at it. But that’s just part of our that’s part of our relationship, honestly. Even not even talking basketball. We always going to hit each other head. But let’s keep it respectful. Let’s keep it fun. It’s a fun conversation. Middle of the season, middle of season. Let’s just have fun with it, you know? Keep it respectful. Let’s Let’s keep it moving. All right. Um Derek says, “Only guy able to get under Bird Skin.” 100%. He got all the way up under um Larry Birdskin, that being Bill Beer. He just had that just had that mindset, man, that he didn’t care. he would he would not mind sacrificing himself and getting ejected if it meant that their best player was going to be going with him. So things like that, he really had a huge impact for this team. Had to have him in this conversation. Derek Pton says, “All love, love, and Yeah. Yeah. Let’s keep let’s keep let’s keep your stressful. Keep your stuff.” All right, let’s keep moving. Let’s go to number four, Taan Prince. I have Taan firmly at number four. Um, for a lot of the reasons that King mentioned, I feel like, um, the difference between a guy like Assar and Taan, I think Assar is more athletic, but Taan’s brain, bro, his brain power, his his brain, he was a a basketball savvant, bro. He was a wizard defensively just as far as just understanding how to play individual defense and team defense. He was in my kind of like a backbone for the Pistons on that team. you know, Ben Wallace was the anchor, but as far as being able to guard multiple spots and things like that, he kind of brought a lot of same things that we’re hoping to get from Assar as he, you know, continues to fulfill that potential that I’m talking about. But yeah, Assar has so many moments like Eric talks about moments. Asar does have or not sorry, but Taan does have those moments. You know, the block on Reggie Miller, you know, shutting down, not shutting down, but playing great defense on T-Mac, um, making life hell for Kobe, making him shoot low efficient, really low efficiency from the field, like just everything. He just was one of those guys that could do it all for you in the basketball court. Couldn’t leave him. Couldn’t put it put him any lower than four. So thoughts on that? Um Taan man, you know, like I seen a couple of comments say that they don’t want to put him in front of Bill Ambir. That’s understandable. Like I said, he was a patriot of the bad boys. I get that. Okay. You don’t win a championship without Taan Prince. Absolutely not. At all. No. At all. And you could probably pretty much say that with anybody in these top five. You know what I’m saying? But Taan, not not just the the the block play, he had to defend some really hard guys out there. Yep. You know what I’m saying? We talking about Kobe Bryant. You know what I’m saying? So, somebody I got in my top three. So, and he had to do it as a young pup. So, you know, like I said, that respect is just I got to have him in the top five somewhere. He just has to be somewhere. Even if it’s at number five, I can get with you, Derek. But at four, I’m content with that. He came in as a rookie guard team. I mean, in that in that Orlando series, King, you remember this? I know for sure you do. I think Eric, you probably you might remember this, too. They were down 3-1 to the Orlando Magic in that first round series. It was the first year they brought the game seven format back for the uh for the first round series. So, had that not happened, the Pistons would have lost three games to win the Tback about it to this day. Yeah, they always go at it about that. It’s crazy. But yeah, like they were down 3-1 and then after that cuz Michael Curry was the starter at small forward at that time and he was getting he was getting he was getting cooked but he just he was older at that time. He just wasn’t athletic enough. He wasn’t big enough. He wasn’t long enough. He was just just wasn’t able to handle him and T-Mac was I think he was averaging like 35 points up to that point. And then you see Taan Prince entered into the game, you know, as a starter. You know, shout out to Ricardo for making that adjustment. But then you see his length and his height really bothered T-Mac and he really wasn’t able to get to his spots like he wanted to and he changed the whole complexity of that series. The Magic never won another game and they won seven in seven games. So when you see the impact like that, it’s it’s literally in your face. You know, a guy is not playing a lot. Your team’s down 3-1. You start him playing more minutes and they win the series. Like that’s that’s impact. It doesn’t get any more clear than that kind of situation. So what are you guys thoughts on that? Yeah, I’m 100% with you. Yeah, the way he was able to fill in from Michael Curry, who was getting older at that point. Um, and again, with talking about defense, but the way Taan’s offensive game kind of evolved through that stretch as well was really cool to watch. But yeah, I mean, he got the the the nickname of the long arm of the law, the Palace Prince. Like, he earned that for a reason. And he was like, again, LeBron gets so much of the pub as the chase down king. Taan had a few chase downs where he was a reason that the Pistons were able to keep games, you know, as they were. Um, again, being able to help backside against the teams like the Pacers, like he was in the thick of where those like rivalries and where those hard-hitting games like were involved in. He was fantastic. Like you said, shutting down guys like uh Kobe, giving him hell in the finals, giving T-Mac hell in that playoff series. Um, even guys like Dwayne Wade, like granted Wade ended up becoming a superstar and cooking him in in unbelievable fashion, but earlier this day, like when the Pistons won that game seven, I think it was 200 six or I forgot which year it was, but Taan was a big reason behind a lot of that. And yeah, his his defensive prowess was really, really useful for this team. Again, it was a lot of great shot blockers and Taan was the second best one on that uh on that legendary franchise. So, yeah, Taan deserves his respect. Beautifully said. Yeah, I agree with I agree with all that, bro. I don’t think there’s any argument here with Taan at number four. I was debating between three and four for him. But once again, you got I had to look at the guys who were ahead of him and I’m just like So, speaking of that, let’s go ahead and go to who is ahead of Taan Prince at four. Let’s go to number three. At number three, guys, I have Joey D. Joe D. Joe Dumars, the silent assassin. Man, man, this this Go ahead, King. Get in there. He should have been He should have been number one the way that he blocked us from winning more championships. Anyway, um No, no, seriously. In all seriousness, no, man. Shots fire, bro. That’s crazy. He blocked her from keeping bed. He blocked I can go all day. Uh, no. Seriously, on a serious note, man, if you had a chance to watch him play basketball, man, listen, that t it takes a lot for the greatest player of all time to respect you as a defender. Yep. Yep. Man, this dude, like I said, like it just cerebral. Another guy just like Taan, man. Just mentally just cerebral. Brilliant on defense, man. And Isaiah was talking about how they’ll be up till 3 4:00 in the morning just talking about how to stop guys watching games and stuff like that. He’s the school master. You know what I’m saying? And a lot of these guys up under him, man, they’re the students. You know what I’m saying? It’s I can’t even Like I said, it it just because of the guys in front of him, I would love to have him higher on this list, but the guys, you got to have Matt Bre. You just have to. Yeah. E. Yeah. And he was undersized too. Like Jod D wasn’t a guy that had mad range and was able to just like be everywhere. He was a great on ball lock down guy. Like I remember watching um one of my favorite movies, Michael George Playground, and I remember the segment he had talking about how Joe D was the one guy that gave him any kind of problems. You could see the plays going back and forth where he’s pushing him off the block or standing in front of him where he thought he had a spin move and a and a shot open and Jod was right there. And again, Mike hated the whole team. Even to this day, he hate Michael Isaiah Thomas, which I think is something different, but we’ll talk about that later. Yeah, he hated that whole team, but he had the most respect for Joe D. And it was clear as day. Joe was Joe was extremely impressive as a defender. Again, as a 6’3 guy, being able to limit a 65 66 elite level athlete scored like MJ and other, you know, guards of that elf around that time. Yeah, Joe. Yeah, it’s it’s hard to put him higher than he is, but he’s in that royalty class for sure. At at 6’3, Jordan was 6’6, man. He was giving him three inches. So, I mean, that’s that’s that’s a that’s a big deal. And he wasn’t the athlete that Jordan was. He’s like, “Okay, major pause.” Big pause. Gree in. Whoa. Whoa. Man, I knew he’s gonna catch me at some point, bro. I knew you catch some point. You got one coming. You got one coming. Um, Rashad Walker says, “Number two should be very interesting. two with Dennis without question. May be surprised. Marvin says, “Yes, sir.” Yeah. Yeah. No. Diddy. No. D. You know, you know, King got to throw at least one per episode, bro. So, that’s why they messing too much. Anyway, um let’s go to number two. And this is when it gets really interesting for a lot of people. This this is where most of the push back, honestly, I got from this is kind of what sent the engagement through the roof. I’d have Dennis Robin at number two. I have them wor. Um I went back and forth for I don’t know how long with two and one. Um, and we’ll get to the accolades later, but I feel like it’s really a crapshoot when you get to these guy. I feel like Ben and Dennis Rodman are interchangeable as far as who you could have at one. And Dennis was a guy who guard all five positions. He guarded all five positions. Um, one defensive player a year twice. He was just relentless. He was relentless, man. So, like he I think a couple games he had 30 plus rebounds, which is insane. like he just did things that only guys like Wil Chamberlain did. Just the numbers that the sheer numbers and just the sheer impact that he had on the basketball court is ridiculous. So, I definitely think it was one or two for him. I settled on two. What are you guys thoughts on that? And before you guys weigh in, I want to give a shout out to my guy Slim Holland. Ryan Holland senior pulled up on his crash show. Good OG. So, got to show some love to the OG. Good to see you. Said man 313 family. What up though? Let’s go. Can’t wait for the season to start. Damn it. Hey, we can’t either, bro. You know what? I’m glad you’re on here because I I said, you know, I did all the shouting and yelling about Assar, right? Because he don’t have the credentials to me to be on this list. Guys like Ron Holland, too. Those are the guys are the next tier that’s coming. You see what I’m saying? Those are the guys that’s coming to me. That’s That’s crazy. For sure. For sure. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, see, I see because of who you was talking about, I I didn’t say it. You know what I’m saying? Seriously, those guys that are coming, you know, next up, you know what I’m saying? They they’ll have them credentials to get into this top 10. Yeah. The fact that we’re even talking about like him being in that conversation already is crazy because he just completed his rookie rookie season last year. So, yeah. Like, go ahead. He was giving people problems, too. He was ready to fight out there. So always a good sign of where he’s going defensively. 100%. This is tough for me, man. You and you should know why. Uh Ben Wallace was my favorite Piston of all time. I I I had an afro when I was younger. I thought I was Ben Wallace. I played center in high school. I thought I was Ben Wallace. I was undersized center in school. You know what I’m saying? I bought Dennis Robin shoes, bro. You know how ugly those was. I know. I did too. You know what I’m saying? You had to really be a fan about them shoes, bro. Hey, couldn’t nobody tell us nothing different at the time, though, bro? When you look at the credentials of both, right? Rodman was a janitor at the airport. We know the story of the Pistons, man. And just showed out. Ben Wallace, undrafted Hall of Famer. You know what I’m saying? Like, come on, bro. Defensive titles. Um, I kind of gota It’s tough. I know. It’s It’s hard, bro. It’s like that’s the thing like I’m not mad at whoever you got one or two though. Okay, I can stay with it now. Okay. You mentioned that at the top of the show we we talking ass pissed because I’m looking at Ramen. Ramen Exactly. Exactly. Do that. Exactly. The Bulls and kept doing it. Well, he got a little weird, but got him for a reason. You That’s true. Go ahead. Go ahead. Finish finish up. You know what I’m saying? And then when when Ben Ben was a little bit older when he left, he was a little bit older. But like I said, when I look at somebody go to another team and continue to do it and win championships, multiple championships, I kind of want to give him the edge, but as a Piston, right, Ben Wallace just meant more defensively. Robin was a guy that they threw in the game, you know what I’m saying, to be a defensive problem. Ben Wallace was the defense, right? Yeah. He was the whole defense. You know what I’m saying? It was Chanty Bilips was the the floor general. Wallace was the heart and soul in defense of the team. So, you know what? You’re accurate with these two. What you think, Eric? Yeah, I’m I’m I’m cool with it. I I I didn’t see much of the back and forth about this, but I like the way King just broke it down. If we want to go like all time, I can understand people putting Rodman ahead. If we going just off Piston resumes, I don’t I don’t like the it’s not close conversation, but I do think it’s Ben. I think Ben is the right choice here. Again, Ben was the defense. He was the guy that was, you know, covering, you know, if you got beat, okay, Ben is right there swatting it out of bounds. Um, you needed extra possession, okay, Ben was right there. Like Dennis has the great, um, you know, knack of being the below the rim rebounder. Ben was just a great rebounder no matter where the ball was. like if you needed the rocket, needed extra position, whether it was on defense or offense, Ben was going to clean it up. And again, I think he’s the best shot blocker of all time. And I think just being able to be the formed identity of the Pistons defense, it means a little bit more than saying who Dennis Rodman, who again was a great piece to a great team defense. Even though they were great team defenses both together, I think Ben was the face of the ‘ 04 Piston defense. I don’t know if I can say the exact same thing about Dennis Rodman with the bad boys. Like again, I understand the argument for him, but I just think Ben just covered everything. He wasn’t He didn’t really cover outside the way Dennis Rodman did, and I give him that. But in terms of shot blocking, cleaning the glass, his paint protection, I think Ben is the again the best shot blocker of all time and one of the best just paint protectors in NBA history. So, I would give it to Ben for sure out of that. I’m cool with him being at two. I think that’s the difference. I think the gap between who was a better perimeter defender, which I would give to Dennis Robin. I think that gap is smaller than the gap between who’s a better interior defender. I think Ben was a much better interior defender. And I think for me that’s the slightest of difference is is kind of why cuz I’m looking at one through five. Who was the best one through five defender as well? And I think one through five, I think I have to give it to Ben because I think he was above Dennis in the department of interior defense than opposed to Dennis being the uh being the superior player as far as perimeter perimeter defense. So I think that’s the smallest of margins, but for me that was what it came down to as far as putting who where as far as one and two. So it was super close, bro. I went back and forth for a while trying to decide which who to put there. Marvin is saying thine maker aka Th. Come on, bro. Chill. Chill, bro. Derek Poland says Ben was a better shot blocker. Yeah, keep in mind Rodman came off the bench until his fifth season with the Pistons. That’s That’s very true. I believe it was um it was Mark Magguire who was getting those minutes or it was somebody else was getting the minutes in place of him until his defense kind of just was too impactful to keep him off the floor. Go ahead, Eric. Yeah, just quick point. I think like our test won the DPOI the 0304 year. um you know when he was with Indiana, you could have made an argument that Ben could have still got that and it would have been like Ben got four in his trophy case even though Mason only said two during the playoffs or whatnot against the Knicks. He could have had five for real. He really had an argument to be there. I don’t know if the voters got fatigue at that point or what it was, but he had an argument to get five in a row and I think he deserved it for real. It did. Like I said to me, Ben Wallace had the most important role in the finals. Absolutely. He had the most shack, bro. Yes. Absolutely. We talking about the most dominant player to ever play, Shaq. Yes. No, you’re right. His his ability player of the year. Yeah. Made I was on the cover of 2K like Yes. 040. Yeah. No, but you’re right, King. His ability to play him straight up is what threw threw the whole Lakers offensive game plan off. That triangle offense, they looking for that double every single time. And when it didn’t come with Ben, it made things harder for for guys like Kobe to be able to get into space, especially when you got Tan Prince guarding you. So, like you mentioned, it all started with him as that anchor. So, let’s go ahead and move to number one, Ben Wallace. Man, we talked about it already, but I just we got to continue the conversation with Ben, bro. Like, his the things he was able to do at 6924 is ridiculous. It don’t make no sense, bro. It makes it makes absolutely no sense like some of the things he was able to do on a basketball court and he had the mindset to go with it. Like can you talked about how or you both guys talked about how with Lindseay Hunter he never took any plays off. Ben Wallace was a guy who didn’t get a lot of touches offensively. We see a lot of guys in this league their defense is predicated on their offensive touches. They get lazy on off or defense when they don’t get the ball in on the block. You see them when when they don’t get the ball miss shot. They’re jogging down the court because they didn’t get the ball. Like Ben Wallace was a guy who more times than not did not many times didn’t even touch the the ball on certain possessions. Mhm. But he didn’t care about offense. He he just cared about winning and he knew for him it meant on the other end. So for him to have that kind of motor despite not doing what a lot of guys love to do which is score score the basketball right and we he I think he knew that he wasn’t that guy but even certain even at times it’s still nice to be able to feel a part of the offense. And credit to Larry Brown for making him feel a part of the offense but he still wasn’t getting the ball a lot. So for him to still have the mindset and motor on the defensive end despite that to me says, you know, it just says wonders about his mentality, man. We talking about somebody who went to from the dark ages of the Pistons and then turned this franchise around. That’s right. And made them a wrecking squad, bro. Like that’s been Dennis didn’t have to experience that. You know what I’m saying? So like I said, it’s just I mean his impact on the Pistons is unmatched. And that’s with any Piston player through any era, through any position. Yep. It’s just unmatched, man. He’s one of them guys that’s just you got Isaiah Thomas, you got Ben Wallace. You know what I’m saying? And like I said, it’s not even close. You just have to have him number one. When you say Pistons defense, the first name that’s going to pop up in your mouth is Ben Wallace. I don’t care how old you are or what era you from. Yeah. And I and I think anybody would acknowledge that when it’s that obvious like that. I think anybody would get a respect to what he meant to this team. Eric, anything else on that, bro? Yeah, man. I I just you can’t stop speaking about how great Ben was. Like, if you were blessed to watch him back then, it was it was an absolute treat. And again, this is the the era where if you listen to people now, I mean, there’s people who talk about, oh, they were only scoring 60 and 70 points back then. Yeah. But it was still watchable basketball when they were doing it. Like, it wasn’t ugly like it is now where people just come jack up 300 threes and it’s just unwatchable. those games where it was like 65 66 against the Nets or the Pacers, that was A1 fun basketball to watch. Like that was fantastic. And men was at the heart of all of it. Six straight years averaging double digit uh rebounds. Um you think three straight seasons where he had at least three blocks a game, which is unheard of. The only person doing that now is like Wimi. And at this point, you look at Ben again, he a he’s not a 73, you know, machine. He was 6’9 and people even thought he was smaller than that. Ben was all over the place, bro. It was unbelievable watching him, you know, impact the game the way he did from a 6’9 frame with the Detroit Pistons. Also very unique body frame because at that size with the amount of muscle mass that he had, he was able to get up the court and run like a gazelle. You know what I’m saying? What made it fun and watchable to, you know, those points, those 65 point games was when they got those blocks and steals, it was automatic fast break. It was just fun to watch. It was almost like watching the Showtime Lakers sometimes, man. That they would run down there on them fast breaks, man. And like I said, Ben could move, get up and down the court easy, catch an alleyoop on your head if he needed to. Like it’s just, man, I enough said. And then too, bro, like I just compare the errors. I know in this respect, King, we don’t like comparing eras, right? But I just look at the the guys that they had to defend. We know a lot of the guys, a lot of the power forwards in the, you know, late 80s, early 90s, a lot of those guys were bruisers. You know, those guys were great. Right. Right. Not taking anything away from those guys, but it was just a different game then. But you think about the guys that Ben had to guard. I mean, you got some of the best ever. We got Tim Duncan, Shaq, KG, Durk, Dwight Howard, um Chris Weber, She in Portland. Yes. Germaine O’Neal, like you know what I mean? Pow gasol, Chris Bosch. Bigs were the face of the league back then. Yes. Alonzo Morning, Starttomire, Zack Randle. Like it was so many guys, bro, in their prime that he had to go up against and still was able to grab multiple defensive player of the year awards, like four of them. That’s it’s that’s insane to me. And that’s why I say guys like Isaiah Stewart are starting to earn them strikes because it’s going it’s back to a big man’s league. These teams got multiple bigs now and Steu’s undersized and he’s a threat to these guys out there. So it makes him a lot more special. You know what I’m saying? And if he I say continue to be who he is and continue to to to improve, man, then it wouldn’t be a a question to have, you know, Isaiah Stewart anywhere in this list in the back tier of it, man. Yeah. Yeah. And with and with him because we’re talking about, you know, as as Pistons, I think there’s a good chance that Isaiah Stewart could play at least most of his career at least at the Detroit Piston, right? King, we all King always talks about how, you know, he he’s out working on his land and he like he’s building root. He’s building roots here. You know what I mean? So, it’s it seems like he’s the kind of guy that could be sustainable defensively for a long time. And like you mentioned, King, he fits that mold. He fits the mold to a tea of what Detroit basketball is, especially defensively. So, I hope he’s a he’s a Pistons lifer. I could see him being one of those guys like Udon Haswell who is just on, you know, late in their career they’re on the bench, but they’re providing that leadership, that toughness, you know, and moving up into, you know, the front offense eventually. I’m like, I can see him being one of those kind of guys who has a role with this team for a long time, even after his playing career is over. Do y’all think he was the most important piece of that 04 team or would you say Chanty Ben? Um, I here I I I say yes because of the identity. The It was always defense first. Yeah, it was always defense first. And because of that, without Chanty, you’re not you’re not coming you’re not sniffing a championship, right? But I I think you know what Ben brought on the defensive side of the ball made things easier for a guy like Chanty because he could press up defensively because he knows he has Ben on the backside. What was she? He’s got Taan there to help if he needs to hedge or something like that. I think because of that, because of their identity, I think Ben was more important. And I think when he left, the Pistons never sniffed the finals again. And I think a big part of that is because they didn’t have that anchor that was air. So I would say Ben was more important by as much. You you’re perfectly you’re on point. You’re you’re on 100% on point because if you look at it, the Pistons offensively were not super talented. You had to hold these teams to 70, right? 75 80 points in order to beat them because you didn’t have that. We didn’t draft Carmemella, we drafted Dark O. You know what I’m saying? You had to have that defense and without that it would have been really hard whether Chanty was who he was or not to beat a lot of these teams because they these teams could score. You had to stop that and then in order to stop that you had to have Ben Wallace. Yeah. I mean going against a Kmart, going against a Germaine O’Neal and then going against a Sha like you don’t have a chance in a series without that guy. I mean, I just think he was Yeah, I think I think he was biggest differencemaker. What do you think, Eric? I used to Yeah, I used to push back in that discussion a little bit just because they did see a little bit of success under Flip Saunders because they he obviously wanted to turn them into an offensive juggernaut. That’s why Ben left. That’s why it just didn’t work out. But they still did, I think, get to the ECF if I’m not mistaken. One more time. Um, Chanty was still, you know, in his prime playing fantastic basketball. And then when he left and Iverson came in, that’s where everything really hit a down spiral. But I I’m kind of coming around to it now because even though like Chanty would, you know, they didn’t really have a proper replacement for him. They didn’t have a proper replacement for Ben either. I mean, Dice was cool. She was kind of checking out for a little bit after a while bringing in Nazi Muhammad, old Chris Weber. Like, it was it was ugly trying to find that that replacement. The exact reason they couldn’t get to the the cup and finish in those years was simply because they couldn’t stop the other squad. Exactly. Mhm. You see what I’m saying? So, because like you mentioned, they became an offensive squad, right? They they were they were scoring 100 but give it up 110 and 110 points back then was a lot. So yeah, like they they were just trading and you saw the identity flip and it just didn’t it didn’t feel the same. No, not at all. I think Heisenberg got the best comment I’ve seen. He said Shanty was the team’s brain and Ben was the heart. I love that. I love that. That’s such a great comment. I love that. That is I like that because you can’t function without either one. That’s a good comment. That’s a good comment. Anything else on that guys? Uh, no man, not not at all. Shout out back to Assar, man. It’s like you, D. I love Mad Max, man. I love Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, man. For sure. For sure. Listen, I know this wasn’t part of the show, but the Pistons 2K 26 rankings came out. I kind of want to go through those real quick. You know what I’m saying? I kind of I kind of want to check that out. So, let me go ahead and pull that up cuz there was also a lot more engagement and buzz about this when this dropped. as far as who you know should they have been there you know what the ranking should have been whatever so let’s pull this up and they got one through 10 here available at least here or they got okay everybody’s here they got everybody all right so let’s start at the top right let’s start with K Cunningham they have K going into next season overall at 92 383 dunk 75 do you guys think 92 is fair for Kade thoughts on that I think it’s Yeah, I don’t have Yeah, I don’t have a problem with 92. I think that’s good for him. Um, again, that’s that’s elite for sure. I think he started off in like the 80s when he first got drafted and just kind of just, you know, made his way up. I think 92 is fantastic for him. That’s a really good number. I’m cool with that. Yeah. What you think? Can you get good on that? That’s a perfect number for him. Um, you know what I’m saying? Like I said, 92 I mean obviously uh the 83 for three-pointer. Um 75 for dunk. He Yeah, he’ll dunk on you, but he’s not a dunker. So, I got a problem with that. Yeah, it’s a Man, it’s the first time we’ve had somebody in the 90s in a long time. I would say, was Blake ever in the 90s? Maybe one year. Maybe he sniffed 90. He should have been that year. He was the Allstar. He should have been for sure. I agree. One of the 10 best players in basketball at that point. I agree. So, he was probably last what, six years ago, 2019 when he was here. So, yeah. Yeah. Last guy. All right, let’s move on to real quick. I want to ask you guys this booth. every guy. Where do you think Kate will be by the end of the season or by next year? He can get he can get to 95. That’s kind of I’m I’m at 94. I’m at 94. What’s the high Do we know what the highest number is for like I’m sure it’s probably Jokic or um I think last year was like 96 or 97. Okay. I think it was 96 last year. Okay. So, I can see K train 94 then probably. Yeah, I guess he can be in a 94 then. Yeah. I don’t think that’s he get that three-point shot up. Um, you know, keep expending as a defender. Yeah, I can see him at round 94. Yeah, I’m with it. I’m with it. Shout out to K, man. Putting in the work, working his way up, getting better every single every single year. Shout out to him, man. Let’s move on to Yes, sir. Yes, sir. Let’s move on to JD. They have JD at 84, 3.35, which if you guys have seen some of the offseason content with him in in the gym, I don’t know if that will go up or not. Maybe it will. We’ll see. But then you have Dunk at 80. So, how you guys feel about JD at 84? Bro, that’s low. I I think so, too. To me, that I mean, come on. 84, that’s what you got a rookie coming in as sometimes. Here’s the thing. I I play 2K a lot, bro. 84 is low. Yeah, I’m behind. I need y’all to school me on that one. That’s low for him at this point. Okay. I think I personally, y’all, I think because he had such a slow start to the season is what factored in. I think if he had played the way he played the back half of the year beginning the season, you know, where he’s given that two-way effort and you see he is understanding who he needs to be for this team, trying to be that defensive anchor and being opportunistic on offense. I think he’s closer to 87 I would say 86 85 86 is where he should have been. 84 is just that number like it just bro you bring rookies in at 84 like it’s like just give them 85. Don’t be disrespect cuz with 2K literally one decimal of a number is really it means a lot. Yeah, it is a big difference. It’s a big difference. If you think he should be 85 86 I don’t think you should be that pressed about 84 then I don’t think that one point is crazy. I think just feel low to me that but like you said that one number is a big difference. Like that one or two is a big difference as far as how people are viewed as far as tier player that you are. Go ahead. Here’s my logic. Duran 84, right? Mhm. Double double machine facts. Assar no offense whatsoever. Just a defensive player. He’s a 83. Yeah, that makes no sense for me. Maybe that’s based on his potential. How do you see that’s what I’m saying? You got Assar 83. It even get more disrespectful with with with Ivy even though he was out. Yeah, which once again 82 I think. I know that’s ridiculous, bro. alone is 85. His three-pointers is 84. Where is he lacking? Right. I think you know what it is. The game’s played. The I think the same thing with JD. I think JD playing the way he did to start and Jaden going down before he could finish the season. Unfortunately, I think that’s what it is. And you know how people forget? You know how people have short memories, bro? They forget. If you not if you haven’t played yesterday, they for they forgot about you. So, you got to think about this logic. Steu’s not a starter either. Right. He’s a defensive anchor of our team. Right. Right. He’s 77 and Assar’s 83. Neither one of them had Stu has more offense than Assar. Not taking not knocking. No, I’m with you. I’m with you. So, how do you give Assar 83 then give Steu 77? I’m telling you, bro. It’s upside. That’s That’s how they’re looking at it. I’m telling you, that’s what it is. It may not be right. It may not be cuz like I said, you’re heavy on accolades, bro. You’re heavy on what have you already done. So, I feel it. I’m just saying the way they look at it is is you know what they think he’s going to be. Go ahead, Eric. I’m I I’m not gonna trip too much on 84. I feel like there’s some areas where he can expand his game to maybe get him up a little bit higher. I don’t understand how the hell his dunking is at 80 and a Stars dunking is at 94 and Ivy’s dunking is at 95. That don’t make no damn sense. And I don’t play video games like that no more. But to have him at a 80 where that’s the majority of his offensive game, what are we talking about? Hey, that’s what happen when you get a a bunch of nerds giving ratings. That’s what There it is. Listen, Heisenberg Blue says Jiannis was the only one that had more dunks than JD. 100%. There’s no way, bro, he should be a 95 dunk pack. There’s no way he should be at 80. That is insanity. Yeah. Which means 94. Come on, bro. But that’s why we’re kind of saying his overall should be higher. That’s what I’m saying. Okay. I agree with you. I agree with you. I see what you’re saying now, man. That’s That’s tough, bro. Yeah. I’m not feeling that. I’m not feeling that at all. That’s ridiculous. So, where is he going to be by the end of the season? Probably like 87, 88. That’s what I was going to say. Probably say I’m going to say 87. If that jump shot is real that we’ve been seeing all summer, then yeah, maybe 88 89. We’ll see. Yeah, but he’s got he got a lot of it to show. Again, he got to grow his offensive game a little bit more. The defense is getting better and better. Um, but yeah, I’m I’m not I’m not too trippy about 84. I think is definitely going to go He gonna have a lot more live opportunities with Ivy back cuz Ivy is going that defense a lot. Mhm. Off the catch putting pressure on the rim. You have Absolutely. Yeah. It’s going to be fun. Yeah. 100%. But 80 is regious. That’s That’s insane, bro. I didn’t even peep that until you said that, Eric. That’s wild. That’s crazy. All right. So, they have they have Assar at 83 with a three-point 56 and a dunk of 94, which is crazy. All right. I understand 94, bro. Like, uh I mean, he’s got the athleticism. He I’m not I’m not really upset with him. just don’t do it a lot. He just doesn’t do it a lot. But but I think a lot of it is opportunity, too. I think next season he’s going to earn I think he will earn the 94 by the end of the season. Where do you guys think he’s going to be by the end of the season? He’s at 83 now. 83. Let them tell Let them tell he might be at a 95. We don’t right. Yeah. No, no, no. I’ll say Yeah. I’ll say I’ll say around 85. I think 85 86 he could get up to. I have 85. When you are all defensive player, you should be no higher than 86 87 to me automatically. So that makes this ceiling to me right now around 85. You have to show something offensively in order to get past that. Especially on 2K, you have to be show something offensive to look bro. Yeah. You know what I’m saying? Like I think that’s low for him because I think we’ll get to that. We’ll get to that. Yeah. 100% 100% 100%. Devon says Blake Griffin was 86 through 88. Kate is probably our first 90 since 2. So I know Devon is a heavy uh 2K player. So those rankings must have been trash um when Blake was playing. But um that’s wild. Trash every year. Every off they all always all ways off the ball, man. Yeah. Yeah. So we’ll see. We’ll see. But yeah, I think it starts around 85. We’ll see by the end of season. Jayen Ivy at 82 is ridiculous, bro. Jay Na’vi at 82 was insane. Like King, you just mentioned 3.84, dunk 85. How was he 82? Like I I don’t understand. I don’t I don’t understand. I don’t get it. Remember that short? Yeah, he could do both. Just dragging his score down. Super athlete elite. Are they putting Are they putting that much def are they saying he’s just that bad of a defender? Like what are we talking about because of the injury, bro? That’s got to be logic. It has to be. Had he like had he played a full season, had he had he been available for the playoffs, he probably advanced, probably at least get the second round. I think all those things would have factored in. I think he would have been somewhere around 88 to be honest. Had he stayed healthy all year, the trajectory he was on, he was only going to get better. He may not have shot 41% for the whole year, but he his whole game would have gotten better the same way all the other young guys game got better as the year went on. Yeah, he was shooting good volume from 32, man. He was he shot five a game. And I’m high and I’m high on his defense being able to come up higher because now when you have a SAR healthy, you’re not relying on Ivy to be a locked down guy on an island. He can just play passing lanes and help you get out in transition and that’s going to be their bread and butter for him. So I’m very eye on that defensive number getting up way higher. That’s a great point. That’s a great point. 100%. King, anything else on that, bro? No, man. I I’m just waiting. I can’t keep looking at Stew. It’s pissing me off. We almost there. 76 is still hold. We going to get there. We gonna get there. We going to get there. We I know you chomping at the bit, but we going to get there. Tobias number five is at 81 overall, 3.76, dunk 75. Thoughts on Tobias at 81. He had a slow ass start though last year. Once again, he did just like JD. Yeah, he had a bad start. Yeah, 100%. So, I think that’s the only thing that factors in for a lot of these guys, which is why I think we’re primed for a really huge breakout season because all these different things factored in to us not being able to be at our potential. So, I really do think that um Tobi I could see Tobias around 83 to end the season. I think that would be fair for him. I don’t think he’s going to have too big of a jump because we know what he is. I think he’s just going to kind of do it from a more consistent basis from the start. I think that’s the biggest difference. I feel like this is kind of his range, too. Yeah. I think anywhere between like 80 to 83. Again, I don’t know how much. He was a fantastic defender last season. I don’t know if he’s going to repeat that exact same thing this year. Um, you know, they lean on him a lot in the post, you know, scoring. Um, he got a little bit better toward the second half of the season as a shooter. When Ivy went down, they needed him to kind of step up as their number two, number three guy offensively. I think he did a really good job of that. But, yeah, like you said, going from here on out at this point, I don’t know how much better he’s going to be, but 80 to 83, I think, is kind of like a fair range for him. Yeah. and they don’t need him to be that much better. You know what I mean? Like the the focus is the young guys getting better and I think by default he’s just going to be able to just play his game and we’re going to see those guys take those jumps. So yeah, if he just stays steady, which is what we kind of want him to do anyway, just be steady, just give a steady consistent output on both ends. Yeah, I think that’s solid for him. I agree with you, Eric. All right, let’s go to Caris Levert, one of our new additions. They have him at 80, 3.81, dunk 75. Thoughts on this? thoughts on Caris Avert at 80. I ain’t gonna argue about, you know, Caris Lever and Duncan. Like, that’s I mean, Caris is at this point in his career is around 80. Um, I think he’s higher than that, bro. I ain’t going to lie. Really, at this point in his career? I mean, like he 40. I mean, yeah. I mean, he’s literally just a come off the bench guy that can get you a couple buckets, shoot a couple of threes, you know, that’s about it. He ain’t taking over a game for you. I think he can take over a couple games for you. Yes. Yes. I I watched I watched what he did with Donovan Mitchell and Darius Garland, bro. Playing off ball and playing on ball. I think his ability to play either position. We didn’t have that last year. Our three a threeman rotation didn’t consist of three guys who can do both things as far as getting shots for yourself and others. It was always like Jaden and K bees, Jaden or I’m sorry, Kade um Bees and Sher. It was never three guys that can do I think having a third guy. You can always have a guy on the court who’s a playmaker. And I saw how he how he played off of Garland and Mitchell. They were looking for him. Here, take the ball. Like they they they have that much confidence in his ability. And I think playing with coach bigger staff again, somebody who knows his game is going to bring out the best in him. I think I have him around 83 84. I think he’s going to have one of his better seasons in recent memory. I really do. I can give you that with bigger staff. I’ll give you that. I’ll give him 80. I think Stu should be 82, but we’ll get to that. Yeah. So, yeah. 85. Anything else on that, Eric? Yeah, I’m cool with that. 80 don’t bother me too much. Again, I don’t how much better he’s going to be. Again, he can, I think, impact games or in different ways that we saw from Bees, but I don’t think he’s going to be some 20 25, you know, point score for him. He’ll be able to give you an impactful, you know, 11 to 15, 16, 17 points off the bench. Um, yeah, I don’t think 80 is too crazy. 80 82 I think is a fair range for right now. Okay. Okay. I’m not mad at that. I’m not mad at that. All right, let’s move on to Duncan Robinson. 77 overall, 84 three-point, 70 dunk. I think that 84 three-point is kind of low personally for Dunk. What did he shoot last season? You know, Dun Robinson well last season. Um he didn’t he didn’t shoot that well last year. Actually, no. I think he was around I think the last two years he’s been around 39 40% the last two years. Yeah, he was 39% last season on 74 games. Yeah. So he’s been the last two seasons he’s been back to who he was known to be. I say he just a shooter though. I think yeah his three-point percentage could be like a 87 maybe. Mhm. But um I’m content with the overall though. Like I said that’s all that’s all you getting out of Duncan. Yeah, you’re going to get some, you know, you’re going to get some play, you know, back door, you know, moving without the basketball. Going to get a little bit of playmaking, but I think he primarily, like you said, King is going to be a guy who’s just providing space and knocking down shots, which I’m cool with. Next to him, they got catch and shoot ace because that’s that’s what they grade him as in the game, too. So, that makes sense. Okay. Okay. Gotcha. Okay. His three-point number is more important than his overall number for sure. Yeah. If he’s given 84 as a shooter and can probably tick up a little bit more, you know, playing with Cade, playing with a pure point guard, which he has really had in the majority of his career. Yeah, I can see that getting up to like around 88 maybe. Yeah, I think he I think he can have a pretty good year for the Pistons. I do, too. I do, too. Yeah. All right. All right, King. Let’s go to number eight, man. Let’s do it. Number eight, Isaiah Stewart, 77 overall. Do it. 73 73 73 three point that’s that’s going way up this year. I think I think that’s going up and dunk 70. Okay, that’s fine. I’m not mad at I’m not mad at dunk. But the the overall three-point y’all have at it. Go ahead. Get in characteristics, right? Rim protector. Rebounder, shoot 73 from three-point land. And that’s only for because of the opportunities. He probably should could shoot a little a little bit more. Yeah. 70 dunk. Okay. Yeah. Okay. Fine. Even with all of those, 77 makes no sense. Nope. None. They didn’t watch the pitches. Listen. Look. Right. Assaar. Right. 83. Here we go. Stay away. Listen. Listen. Listen. We know as Pistons fans, we know as Pistons fans, Assar has to grow offensively. Absolutely. Defensively, fine. You could have put him as a defensive player. They have two-way rim attacker. Yeah, that’s crazy. Not that yet. No, he can be that. He should be that. He will be that, right? That’s two things compared to four things that Stu can do. Assa 83, Stew’s a 77. Yeah, that logic makes no sense to me. None. There should at least be 80. At least Yeah, I think he should belong. I had him at 80 personally. Just the impact he has on the floor. Starters. I know. You know, I think a big part of it is Steu’s game isn’t sexy, bro. Yeah. His game isn’t sexy. Like Assar is a high flyer. Asar familiar with our team like them. They don’t watch. They don’t pay attention to the starters. They don’t pay attention to K half the time. So, it’s like they ain’t going to pay attention to Isaiah Stewart. You know what I’m saying? Doing the dirty work. Yeah. It’s just, you know, and he’s not a starter. He didn’t even play enough minutes to be eligible for all team defense. Yeah. So, it’s just like, you know what I mean? They going to overlook him, but you know, he’s going to continue to be mo one of the most important players in this team. So, you know, he’s he’s not a guy that cares about 2K rankings anyway. Like, he’s, you know what I’m saying? Like, he’s the kind of guy he’s like, I’m trying to win. So, but this is disrespectful to him. I’m sorry. Like, he should be in the 80 range for sure. So, I think next season a lot of these guys are going to go up and we just, you know, see how it goes from there. All right, few more guys we’ll get to. Uh, Marcus Sasser, man, a guy who I’m a little bit concerned about as far as his role with this team. They have him at a 76. They have his three-point at 82 and they have his dunk at 50 for obvious reasons. What do you guys think of Marcus Sasser at 76? Who? Come on, man. Come on, bro. Listen, I know who Sasser is. I know what he can do. He barely played, bro. That’s the That’s the thing. Got him at 76 and Stew at 77. Yeah, that’s crazy. Like, what are y’all doing, bro? way more than him and he’s a 76. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. And then you got Ryan as a rim attacker. You should have him as a two-way guy, right? He should be the two-way two-way rim attacker for sure. No, once again, once again, bro, like I worry about Sasser’s role on this team because he didn’t play a lot last year and now we’ve gotten guys who fit Tan’s identity even more, right? He wants guys who are big and defensive uh vers versile defensively and Sasser isn’t either one of those things. So based on on his words, I just don’t see how he gets the opportunity next year. I I just I like his I like his offensive package. He’s he’s a bucket, but as far as what this team needs and where this team is going, I don’t see how he fits into the mold. S needs to go to a young team that’s rebuilt and get an opportunity. That’s where Saz needs to be. He doesn’t need to be on this Pistons roster because the way that is constructed, he’s not going to get on board. Yeah, I don’t see it. But hope, you know, hopefully for him, he can get opportunities somewhere. You know what I mean? Because he’s just riding away in the bench. He’s got a lot of talent. So, hope he gets, like you said, King, maybe opportunities somewhere else will be best for him to get, you know, some exposure, some minutes, and just kind of building what he’s trying to build on. So, I’m not Yeah. Yeah. Okay, let’s move on. Ron Holland 76. 76. 3.59. I think that’s going way up next year. I think all of us think that’s going up next year. We saw back have the season. It was literally going up. Pause. Um and his dunk is at 80. So, what do you guys thoughts on Ron Holland at 76? He’ll um he’ll he’ll improve. He probably should have got the 77 that Stu got, but he’ll improve and you know, like I said, he improves that three-pointer and continue to be who he is and grow on that. He’ll crack probably 80 by the end of the season. Yeah. Yeah. I think he has the most he’s one of the guys that has the most room to grow. I think because I think a lot of the things that he’s doing or that he’s going to do next year, he could do a lot of those things last year. He just was put in a role to where he wasn’t asked to do that. He was asked to be a beneficiary, you know, like as far as offensively. He was a finisher offensively, but now we’re seeing him in summer league and things like that and offseason talking to Charles Hill, his developmental trainer, saying that he’s working on a lot of things that he already could do, just becoming better at them now. a lot. He he compared him to a guy like Jaylen Brown who started off as a defensive guy and slowly developed that player profile of being an offensive reli reliable player. A lot like I I think about a Jimmy Butler with the Chicago Bulls. He was a defensive guy. That was what he was known for. That was his assignment. We saw over time he started to polish his game become I see that kind of mode for a guy like Ron and I think now that he’s going to get opportunity to kind of do some of those things that he’s been working on including the three ball which you saw go go up the second half of the year. I think he’s going to surprise a lot of people. I see him at like 81 or 82. I think that’s his ceiling for next year and I think that’s really good for second year player. Yeah. Yeah, that’s what I see too. I He probably should be around 78 and I think he can clip around like 82 83. He says he’s been watching Cad’s film a lot. I think sitting next to Caris Levert is going to be big for him too because it’s going to help expand his playmaking and his creation. And in comparison to guys like Sasser where he was trying to be a point guard, you could see how raw and how unproven he was when he was trying to do that in summer league. when Ron is attacking with some of the areas, whether it was his playmaking, his step back for the three, you know, setting up the mid-range, like it looked confident and pure every time, even if it didn’t go in, it looked like he was supposed to be doing it. So, yeah, I’m very high on what Ryan can do. Um, and I can see him clipping around like 82, 83 by the end of the year. Same. Yeah. All in agreeance. Anything else on that, King? You good? Yeah. All in agreeance. Yep. Okay. Okay. All right. Let’s get to a few more guys and then we’ll call it, man. All right. Paul Reed, they had Paul Reed at 74. Thoughts on probably the 74? You think that’s too low or too high? I can’t even argue with that. I think it’s solid. I mean, these guys ain’t probably even gonna get on the court too often unless it’s some type of injury or foul trouble. So, right. Um, Dennis Jenkins should be a 98, you know. Oh, 98 dunk a 98 overall accord to Deuce, you know, 2K for 2K summer league. That’s what we doing, bro. They made a 2K summer league cuz I called him out last year. You wouldn’t you would have known it and I told you about how good he was going to be. I saw that. I remember that conversation. Remember I remember that conversation last year after summer league. You said you wanted him to be the backup and kick out. He was not. He was not. But it’s all good. I think I think he’s going to be um I think he’s going to get some opportunity this year in certain situations. He could hoop. He could definitely hoop. You know what I mean? We had um we had his guy his um his trainer Jeremy Hart on and he was just talking about how he’s always working hard and putting time in. He’s got he got bunnies, bro. Ken, you were you were there for that for that dunk he did that 360 dunk off the side of the backboard that Sass do threw to him. Like he’s this dude is springy. He’s springy. But more importantly, he’s just he’s a solid point guard. He’s a solid point guard. He’s going to get the job done. He’s going to he can come in and sell things down for you, right? Just Yeah. So, I think he’s going to get some opportunity. I don’t know if he’s going to get if he’s going to get enough attention to move up in this list. Obviously, he’s not a top tier guy. So, I think he could, you know, move to 70 somewhere around that range next year if he gets opportunity. And then um two more guys. Total Smith at 67. I think I don’t know if he’s going to get the opportunity. I hope he does um in situ I think he may get a shot maybe in situations like like Paul Reed did last year, but I think I don’t know if he’s going to get enough opportunity to really showcase what he can do. Um but I do like him on this team. We had him on the show um last week and he was just talking about he is really ready to prove that he can do a lot more than what he’s shown. So we’ll see, man. I you know I got a lot of I got a lot of confidence that he can at least be an impactful player somewhere. Hopefully he’s here but but he’s a definitely NBA player. So and then Bobby Clintman 69. Yeah, y’all know how I feel about him. You know how I feel about him. Like I said watching them in summer league like I said these guys all of these dudes need opportunity somewhere. They need to get on the court so you can really see what what it is. You know what I’m saying? Summer league is one thing. That ain’t enough. You know what I’m saying? That’s like a glorified practice scrimmage game. So yeah, opportunity is a thing. You know, it’s kind of hard to judge with these dudes. That guy that that’s at the bottom though is going to be an interesting conversation. Chazair. Yeah, talk about it. Yeah, summer league. Um I felt like he was confident, you know, shots even though some of them didn’t go down. But when I watch Chaz Laneir, me personally, there’s a lot of growth as far as being an NBA guard. I seen a lot of Tennessee college basketball type of of play out of him. I I seen a college basketball player. I didn’t see an NBA player, right? So, okay, the Pistons and their staff is going to have they’re going to be responsible for that type of growth. And, you know, catching up with the speed of the NBA game, learning how it’s played is going to be a learning curve from him because like I said, the way that he played, I just felt like I was watching a college basketball game when he had the ball in his hand. Yeah, he I think one thing he could work on is his the ball handling. He’s not really a great ball handler right now. We know he’s a catch and shoot guy and he’s really good at that. Um yeah, I I think I think he just needs to get comfortable honestly. I think once he gets because you saw when when he’s in rhythm, he’s automatic. When he’s comfortable and in rhythm, he’s automatic from from long range. So, and he has some abil he has some ability to be a playmate. I kind of liken it to a Malik Beasley to where it’s like you don’t want to rely on him, but in the pinch, he can make a play for you. Right. Go ahead, Kane. I’m glad you mentioned that because that pisses me off the most. The Malik Bis Beasley situation. Yeah, I was looking forward to Chaz Laneir learning from Malik Beasley. You know what I’m saying? That would have been perfect for him because it’s gonna be up to the Pistons to put Chaz Laneir in them type of positions. Yep. To be successful. And a perfect guy for him to learn from would have been Malik Beasley. But now he’s probably going to have to look, you know, more to some of the other guys on the roster. Duncan and yeah, Duncan and you know uh Caris Lever and some of the veteran guys that’s been around, but that would have been perfect for them. I agree. Y totally. They play very similar games offensively at least as far as getting a shot and coming off screens and all those things. So yeah, I definitely he’s he’s got range too. He could shoot that. He’s he’s got some range to him. He could pull from 35 at an NBA level. I’ve seen it. So I definitely think he you know overtime he’s just a rookie coming in. So, no high expectations for him, but as long as he can just kind of learn from the sideline and then, you know, kind of give us a little bit here and there when needed, I think that’s be a good season for him. Um, somebody asked us who has the better high school accolades out of U3. Eric, my vote. So, I actually played high school ball with Detroit Kool-Aid. We played in the same squad as Summit Academy. I was a point. He was shooting guard. We were pretty nice. I ain’t going to lie. Together, we were pretty nice. But that was that was the extent I I didn’t get the the the gift of height. You know, I got the gift of music, but I didn’t get the I didn’t get the gift of of size. That wasn’t my thing. So, my my NBA career was going to end pretty pretty quickly. My dreams pretty quickly. But I played some high school ball. What about y’all? Um, well, where do I start? You know, played for um I played for Frederick Douglas for most of my high school years, but an opportunity to have a a small and swift stint um with St. Martin’s Depors. Um but before I end up leaving there um I went to Refford so and I didn’t get a chance to play on that squad but I played a lot of basketball in high school. I went to the state championship. We played we went up against Brandon Cotton uh against St. Martins Deores. They won by three points. That’s how close that game was. Um, man, I like I said, I I had a opportunity to win a state championship playing for Frederick Douglas, bro. Yeah, that’s lit. All boy East Side School, we were unheard of in basketball. No one knew who the Hurricanes was. That’s a fact. We had a We went uh to a state championship. So, yeah. So, King of the League. Go ahead, Eric. What you got? Uh, I was a three athlete or three sport athlete. I played um I played football. I went to North Farmington High School. Um, okay. They were horrible in football. Um, but I got mine. I mean, I was a receiver. I was, you know, I was I was I was kind of tall like I am now. I was like six foot, but I lied on my report. I said I was 6’3, you know, and, you know, I was I was I was the big possession receiver. We had other speedy guys. I was the one that was kind of catching them tough routes over the middle. Um, got smacked by a lot of guys from Rochester Adams, uh, Harrison, you know, we played against dogs over there. Um, you know, I played uh basketball for North. Um, we were kind of that like we played defense in a full we played a fullcourt 23 press on defense the whole game because we didn’t have like the athletes to match up with some of the the teams we played against. Like we played against like St. Mary’s who had, you know, all American recruits everywhere. Um, Clarkston who had recruits everywhere. Like, you know, we did our thing with what we could, but again, it was a kind of a, you know, get in where you fit in type of deal. I was I felt like I was I I started at the four. I was like the Lamar ODM of the team. No big deal. Um and I ran track as well. Um I was a hurdler, high jumper. Um you know, I was I was like that. I ran the 400. I was all over the place, man. Well, I ain’t know he was doing the whole rundown. So I ain’t neither. Yeah. I wanted to throw my whole resume out. You know, I ain’t mad at you though. You know, P I only played football up to Pali. Shout out to the Broncos, Westside Cubs. Yeah. Um, I was better in football than basketball, but I like basketball more because of its and I played basketball. I also ran track, cross country. Uh, those those runs cross country. Yeah, those downtown through the woods was not fun, bro. country, bro. Bringing everything to the table. I I I did advance in a and one tour uh to the next round. Get out of here. Okay. Okay. You think I’m bullshitting? I need I need to see the footage of that. I can’t imagine that. Shout out to my hood. Everybody know me in my hood. They call me Spider-Man first before Spider-Man from New York, by the way, because I was the first hanging on the rim upside down. Y was like that. I’m serious. I really was like that. Um, but yeah, we went we went downtown played 313 for and one. I end up making it to the next round. I didn’t get to go on the tour though. Uh, but I was a big time street ball. I played with Springs. I played with Yeah. Yeah. Springs up to off of Seven Mile and Loster, man. To the the court up there on Bentler. Those rims was 11 feet. We was 11 foot rims. We were shooting half court up there for uh for for money for dollars. And man, when Springs was up there, it was just fun, man. But I done played with some people. I’m I’m talking about some some faces. Last thing, who’s your favorite N1 player? My favorite half man, half Mason. Half man. His dunking. I used to love this. I was a dunker. Right. Right. Right. Right. So, his e Escalade always stole the show. Rest in peace, Escalade. Mark Jackson, brother. He was tough. He was so fun to watch. Every time he made a play, he shut down the whole joint. Man, I love Es and point to the crowd. He was nice. He was nice, professor. I love his handle, bro. Cuz he kind of played like I kind of played like how he wasn’t the biggest guy. You know what I’m saying? But his, you know, his wizard shoot with the basketball, man. A lot of like hot sauce, but I just like professor’s his little his little swag he had with with his handle. So, it was fun to watch. Yeah. All all those are good picks. But yeah, he was definitely my guy for sure. So, speaking of go real quick. I got a I got a basketball rim in my garage. I broke this double rim at this court. Thick double rim. Broke that mud. That’s how hard I used to dunk when I was uh in high school. Oh, baby, man. That’s what’s up, man. That’s what’s up. All right, so we’ll end it there, man. That’s a wrap for this episode, guys. We hope you guys enjoyed the Pistons all time ranking video sprinkled in with Lil Pistons 2K rankings. If you guys want to see more alltime rankings uh videos from us, drop it in the comments, drop it in the chat, let us know if you guys enjoyed this. Um, we have a few ideas for some different lists. We did the defensive all time today, but we have some different ideas for some different lists going forward. So, but we’re only going to do it if we get enough feedback in the chat, in the comments. So, y’all let us know if y’all want to see more of it. Listen, E, we appreciate you, bro. Pulling back up to the show. For those who are not already tapped in with you, how can we keep up with you and what you are doing, my guy, man? Appreciate y’all for having me, man. Uh, y’all can follow me on social media at I am Eric Vincent like you see on the screen. You can follow all my Detroit Pistons beat reporting atclutchoints.com. And of course, like I said before, I got my own YouTube channel. It’s Toptitle Detroit. If you want to tap in, hit me up on there. I would really appreciate it. I got a couple videos coming out this week and I’ll be sure to have some good coverage for y’all when the season start as well. There it is, man. So, make sure you guys are subscribed to Eric. 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Who Are The TOP Defensive Pistons EVER?
Downtown Deuce is joined by @EverythingKing & @TopTitleDetroit to discuss who they believe to be the top defenders in Pistons history.
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8 comments
You cannot put Assur on this list yet maybe in five years after we see his body of work over those years, you cannot use potential nor what they may be in the future. No piston should be on this list until they have at least five years. Duce u keep saying this ur list but u can’t do if it’s best defensive piston of all time.
Deuce team young do not put or young guys in the top ten as yet
Deuce is shout out😂😂😂
Deuce you’re losing a lot of credibility right now😂😂😂
You’re supposed to be a basketball historian you know better…😢
Man! King really gets worked up over lists😅I thought Deuce was pretty clear in the beginning about upside being a part of the list.
Agree with King, maybe in 5 yrs Thompson could be on the list, but not now.
I can understand saying it’s too early to include Ausar, but I think it’s crazy to ignore what he’s demonstrated so far. He’s definitely had moments.