Are Bruins Being Underrated? | Pucks With Haggs

Are Bruins Being Underrated? | Pucks With Haggs

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Also, go to bostonportsjournal.com, get a membership there to read all the columns from everybody and also we do a weekly Q&A with the subscribers where I answer a bunch of questions and it’s always a lot of fun. Uh, so you got to be be a subscriber to do that. So, jump right on in. Uh, with me today, uh, great guests, longtime friends and colleagues, uh, the Boston Globes, Kevin Paul Dupont, Dupes, how you doing? Great. Great. Good to be with you guys. There you go. Enjoying a little, uh, morning power uh, power shake there. Energy shake. I like That’s right. Um, I just I just got back from my morning walk, so Oh, there you go. Very good. I love it. Uh, and with us also, longtime friend and colleague, Mick Collagio. Mick, please tell everybody where they can find your work, my friend. I’ve already had my six Red Bulls. Um, rink wrap the blog is linked on X and Facebook and I finally have up there my visit to the Basketball Hall of Fame and linking to Kevin Vour’s great uh report on our more on our visit and with basketball Stanley Cup. Cool. I love that. And it it reminds me the Hall of Fame knows about this now and they’re pretty excited. It remind That’s awesome. It reminds me too that uh this November is going to be a pretty there’s going to be a super huge Boston contingent up in Toronto for the Hockey Hall of Fame weekend. That is got a definite Boston flavor to it with uh Zado Charara and Jack Parker and Jumbo Joe all going in. All uh people with strong Boston ties there. That I’m sure that’s something that you’re looking forward to. Dupes. I am. In fact, I was just booking the hotel for that and uh trying to figure out all the logistics and the Bruins play there that weekend, right? There’s that’s Saturday. So, it’s uh I’ve been to a few of those. They’re good fun. And uh and uh and especially well, I shouldn’t say I went to Beu, so I I’m thrilled for Jackie Parker. And I spent a lot of time spent a lot of time reporting on Z and Jumbo. And so good stuff. Yeah. Long time coming for all three. I think the last time I was there for one of those was Mark Reky’s uh which was awesome. Uh great ceremony, great induction, great weekend as same uh dupes, the Bruins were up there playing the Leafs on Saturday night, hockey night in Canada. So it’s uh it makes for a a fantastic weekend. I think that was the same weekend WKY was the same weekend as Jeremy Jacobs going in. Yes, that’s right. You’re right. Sure. Absolutely right. Yes, that’s it was Reky and Jeremy Jacobs. You’re absolutely right. I can’t believe I didn’t even remember that one. Um but yeah, huge Boston flavor to that one as well. And I think that was was that the same weekend where Brad Marshian was up there and they gave like some award to him like after the game and then he was like kind of hamming it up for the crowd. Was that that that game? I think it was that that sounds right. Yeah, sounds right. Yeah, I I seem to remember that too. Like they gave out an award before or after the game, the Hall of Fame uh game up in Toronto and he was having fun with the crowd up there. So uh should be a lot of fun that weekend. All right. Um, let’s get into it, guys. Uh, we’re just going to answer some questions. Um, we did this last week as well. There’s not a lot going on, as you well know. Everybody’s still at their uh, cottages in Canada and for at least, I don’t know, a few more days. Things should start to crank up as far as captain’s practices and things like that in the next week or two. Uh, but it’s very, very quiet in this uh, area as far as the hockey goes. Uh, so we’ll answer some of these. This one’s from Mike from Stoneham. Um, what’s the thing you are most excited about for this upcoming season? Uh, Mick, anything you are very excited about for this upcoming season? Boy, uh, where do I begin? I’m always giddy about about the return. Uh, but I guess I guess just to pick things out of a hat and I could go with several things, but uh, I’m pretty excited to find out how good Frasier Minton can be. That’s a good one. I love how he plays. I already see uh that he’s can play big boy hockey. The kid’s got quads like Castillic and he’s and he’s um he takes Berseron like forchecking tracks. Um he stands up in the corners and wins pucks. He makes intelligent decisions. Uh, I just feel like this guy, depending depending how much offense he generates in his career, he could be a hell of a player. I I mean, I think that’s a good one. I The only thing I would caution people to not get overly excited about with him is the offensive part. Like, I think I think in some a lot of ways Charlie Coyle is a very apt sort of comparison for him and and that’s the track that the Bruins kind of have him on um as far as who he’s going to be. So there may always be a, you know, he’d be an awesome player if he could score a little bit more or trying to prompt him uh to shoot the puck a little bit more. There may be a lot of that kind of stuff going on uh throughout his career. Um if the if the goals don’t flow early and often, but like I agree with you that like the intangibles, the details in his game, all of that stuff is really good. I I I really noticed the way he was deployed in the playoffs for Providence and the way that they used him, especially late in games, late close games, certain situations, Dzone faceoffs. There was a lot of different areas they used him where you could tell the coaches trusted him a ton. And they put him out there knowing that he was going to make the right play and get them out of danger or or not at least not submarine them with mistakes. And it tells me he’s smart. It tells me he’s talented. It tells me he’s hardworking. all that different kind of stuff. I just I I know that he’s I don’t know that he’s going to be like a 30 goalc scoring kind of guy. He’s more of like a st solid steady third line center type. But like in general though, Mick, I think that is part of the exciting thing of this this training camp. I mean, I’m excited because I I like guys like Mikey Isimon. I like guys like Tanner Jano. But I’m also excited because uh I think it’s going to be fun. This training camp is going to be so much more wide open than any training camp I can remember with the Bruins where there’s a lot of jobs up for grabs. There’s a lot of combinations that haven’t been determined. There’s a lot of players that could rise up and take jobs. I I think in in the past you’ve kind of known what the roster is going to be. And even now, you probably know likely what the roster is going to be, but I think there’s a lot more room there for surprises in this training camp at the Bruins than there’s been in the past. And I think that’s always for media people, I think that’s always exciting to watch is that competition that’s going to go on in camp and how th those things are going to play out. Dupes, how about you? What are you excited about this coming season? Among the many reasons I love Mick’s ability to drill down to places that I haven’t even been thinking about. Yeah, and Fraser Mitten is one of them. I uh uh and he could be right. As as Mick, as soon as you mentioned his quads, I thought of Milanina, the scoring machina. He had huge quads. Yeah. Yes. Huge quads. Yeah. He was like Heraroon. Yeah. Yeah. But I’ll I’ll get off anatomy now before we get in trouble. Uh I I I think I I I don’t know. I I I find myself far more optimistic about this Bruins team. And I I think you’re focusing on Bruins here, Joe, and not league at large. Yep. Yeah. Uh I find myself far more uh optimistic, energized about this Bruins team in part because of the turnover uh the the change. You know, my nature is to always look for opportunity. Uh, so but that said, I I’ll end up exact going into the season exactly where I have been the last four seasons, which is to say for this will be my fourth consecutive season saying I think they’ll be in the in the wild card mix. Yeah. Yeah. Okay. So, for for the first two years, you know, they blew it out, right? Last year, they missed the wild card. So, uh there’s a lot of doom and gloom around it. I get it. They had a bad season. Y uh they didn’t go out and get the number one center, but they they still when when you look at every team, every not not every because we’ve seen Florida. I don’t think Florida has any foibless or weak spots. No. But most every team out of the other 31, including the Bruins, they got a lot of soft spots. The Bruins have soft spots, no question. And the biggest one is that number one center job. They really don’t have a horse there or never mind a horse, a thoroughbred in there. So, um, that’s concerned, but I I still think they’ve got the goalie. They’ve got really good defenseman. Yeah. Uh, uh, they can cobble it together. I think the new coach Stern brings will bring a new approach to that and it might fall short, but I think that’s the energy I’m feeling. So, that’s that’s kind of my excitement to see how it sorts out. Fraser Mitten to me flash I had a flashback to Carlson Khman when I went to the development camp there wasn’t development camp what do they call that thing prospects turnney or prospects challenge in Buffalo I think it 10 or 11 in a row now I went to that I looked at Carson Kman I said this guy’s the deal you know on puck’s like dog on a bone is going to get after it captain atl uh UMD I should say yep and uh nice guy. Uh, real effort. Hey, he was good enough to start game seven of the Stanley Cup fin or play in game seven of the Stanley Cup finals against St. Louis Blues and over David Bakas, right? So, apparently Bruce Cassidy really liked what he saw, too. Yeah. I mean, there there are threads there. He was like a right-handed Marshan on his best day. That’s what he reminded me of. But but his best days were too few and far between. He just he couldn’t maintain it. like he was one of those guys that would look great when he was, you know, had had a couple days off or hadn’t played in a couple days, but it seemed like the schedule he had a hard time maintaining that level of performance and the ability to, you know, skate at that top speed when he played and he was undersized a little bit too. Um, but like solid player, he had some good games and the coaches really liked him obviously. I think and again I think a lot of times we look at guy and I I have to go back and consider a whole lot of things here but when you don’t see guys put it together consistently when you see them in practices have the speed that when g come game time it doesn’t translate to me often what that issue is is they don’t process the game fast they’ve got the legs for it they’ve got the body for it they’ve got the all the anatomy they’ve got all the work they do the they do but if you can’t think it fast enough then you’re not there, right? Yep. You you got to the cruise ship and it sailed and you stood on the dock. You got to be able to think it, think it, think it. That’s absolutely true. Uh that is true of the the best players in the world. And that is definitely what’s a a huge quality quality characteristic that separates, you know, good from great players. Uh the best players in the world process at an insane speed. And and kind of what proves that is if you look at Berseron’s game, no one thought it faster, better, more thoroughly than Berseron. If you looked at his skill set, not the biggest shot, not the fastest skater. Yep. His his his ability to get around on brains, process the game. We saw it with Brad Park when he had no knees left. We saw it with Jean Rattell when his back was gone. Guys who know how to think it, anticipate, and get to those places. And I have no idea to go back to the comment on Fraser. I don’t I have no idea if he’s got that. Right. And that that that’s the in that’ll be the intriguing part to find out. Yeah. And that’ll bear out when he gets, you know, a large pocket of playing time. You’ll be able to evaluate that uh one way or the other and see, you know, if he can do that um adequately or or you know, at the top of uh top of class. It’ll be interesting to watch. Uh I agree with you, Dupes. uh talking about the overall sort of prospects for this team, how it’s being perceived right now, the general vibe around this team when it comes to fans and people that you talk to. I agree people are very down on this team and think they’re going to be uh in the running for Gavin McKenna and think that they’re going to be in the lottery again and that it’s going to be another terrible year. um similar to last year and like I w I like you think that they’re going to like compete for the wild card and think they have the potential to maybe get in on the wild card and like you the first things you mentioned you are never going to be terrible in the NHL if you have good goalending and solid defense. You are never going to be terrible like you’re going to be at least middle of the pack or playoff caliber if you have those two things. The teams that are awful are the teams that get terrible goalending and their defense is bad. And the reason the a big part of the reason the Bruins were terrible last year. Jeremy Swayman was awful pretty much wire towire with a few uh moments where he sort of flashed what he can do and their top two defenseman got hurt and then they traded away a bunch of their veterans and that’s why they sank to the bottom. like they would when at the trade deadline they were still sort of vying for the wild card or at least within shouting distance and then they hit the iceberg once they traded all those players away and their two two defenseman were hurt and that’s when they really sank to the bottom. So I think that they’re going to be okay and I think adding guys like uh Jano having Zidorov having Castellic if he’s healthy like they’re going to be fun to watch too. I think they’re going to compete hard and they’re going to work hard and they’re going to be physical and they’re going to play a style that I think Bruins fans are going to identify with a little bit. So, I I do think they’re going to end up surprising people this year that have very low expectations um for them and maybe that’s a good thing. Sometimes it’s uh sometimes it’s better to underpromise and overd deliver and this might be one of those Bruins teams. Um Mick, where are you at right now just with these Bruins in general and how you feel about them? they they need they need to be a team that that sneaks up um because that’s the only way they’re gonna break through and do any make any noise. Um but I do think that uh the second line is the elephant in their kitchen. Um personified most uh bullseyed by Casey Middlestat. um how well Pavle Zaka starts every season like a house of fire. His second and third efforts on pucks always wind up giving him a really strong position on the team mid-season and then for the last two years toward the end of the season he fades and I don’t know if it’s injuries or what that are creeping in. Uh Victor Arvdson has been brought in on a mercenary situation to see if he can bring out of middle stat uh and solidify that second line because Arbitson is a KGO veteran who plays with a little P P P P P P P P P P P P P P P P P P P P P P P P P P P P P P P P P P P P P P P P P and V and even though he’s not that fast zone to zone and he’s not that big, he’s he’s uh I think they’re trying to mitigate Marian just a little bit with Arvidson by trying to get that attitude back on in their in their top six. Um I’m I’m not worried about the bottom six, even though I re agree with you that that’s the one spot on the team where we don’t know what it’s going to look like and we don’t and there are many players who are going to be in camp who have a chance at one or two spots on that bottom six. It’s not like there’s many spots on this team. I’d say one or two and they’re in the bottom six. And who gets them that could be up to 12 guys. So, so, um, and probably keying on six. Um, so I have a general idea. I think it’d be great to have a little, uh, uh, like a fan lottery or something on, um, uh, name the set the opening night lineup pending injury, you know, um, and and give us give us your opening night lineup and see who nails it. Uh, because I think that we got the back end nailed down. I think we got the top six nailed down. It’s the bottom six that’s uh that we probably could say speak to four of six spots, but then tell me out of 10 guys, who’s going to be in those other two on opening night. Yeah. No, I think that’s a good point. And I would say it’s more the third line. We have no idea what it’s going to look like. Um the fourth line I think you have a pretty good idea of who will likely be on that line or who the ideal candidates would be or you know you I I feel like Carali is maybe Castella like there’s going to be some guys that you know are going to be probably on that fourth line if they’re healthy. Uh but maybe they get pushed up to the third line if some of the other guys aren’t ready or or don’t look good enough. Um that’s what Yeah, exactly. Yeah. There’s a lot of moving parts here. It really depends a lot on Matt Platra. Yeah. Is he ready to center the third line? He’s had two years to to try it and he hasn’t sustained in either one of them. Uh first one related more to health y uh this this coming season is a big one for him. Yeah. And I think your guy Frasier Minton will be in the running for that spot too and he’ll get looks there. I think it a lot depends on Padra and Minton and whether either one of them is ready to potentially be the third line center. Um then that plays I think Minton my opinion is Mittton’s ready to be the third line center but they want Potra to be the third line center to let Mittton play left wing for him. The question for the Bruins management is going to be is there going to be an long table argument on whether they would rather have Frasier Mittton play center in the American League and hone his offense or develop his offense or would they rather have him in the NHL because he’s an NHL player right now? Yeah, let me throw this to dupes because this actually plays into one of the questions that we have. What should we expect of Matt Potra next season? Does he become an NHL legit NHLer in Purdue with the big club? He’s only played 33 games each of the last two years and it hasn’t shown much progress. I disagree with that. I think he showed a lot of progress in Providence when they finally just let him stay down there and develop in the second half of last year in the playoffs. I thought it was very good. Uh but this person says worried he’s the second coming of Ryan Spooner and that number 51 jersey. Uh I think he’s a better player than Spooner. I got to be honest with you, just having watched him in the time that in the age that he is, he’s going to end up being a better player in the NHL than Ryan Spooner. But dupes, that’s from Mhall 3333. I thought of Spooner earlier in the discussion when you were talking about choices for game seven with Coleman because in that year, the game six against Ottawa, uh Cassidy went with Bleski over Spooner and I thought I thought I’d seen enough of Bleski at that point. I had. Yep. Uh, and not that Spooner Spooner was going to be the the ultimate difference, but I I would have gone with Spooner. Anyway, the way I think of Patra these days, I constantly think he should change his name to, “Oh, yeah, Patra.” Because I constantly forget him. I go up and down the lineup and then I say, “Oh, yeah, Patra. We’re going to put him.” So, uh, you know, again, nice kid. Uh, has some has some real assets. uh has a propensity to get himself clobbered. Yep. Uh which we which we saw with Anders Buork. Y uh to his detriment and maybe to the end of his career getting clobbered. Uh so I I my my approach with him right now would be to put him in the safest place that he gains some confidence. He I think he does think the game quickly enough. He is he is a smart player. Yep. and not leave him vulnerable, you know, make sure he knows, be be aware of score and time and who’s on the ice and what predicaments are because he he c he takes some really dumb wallops. Uh so I I you know, again, he he’s certainly in the mix. I don’t feel that he’s prominently in the vision of a top six player at this point because of size and because of that propensity. Uh but he’s an interesting player. I’ll we’ll see where it goes. U you know some of these are so many and I know they’re different players here but I’ll I’ll bring another name into the discussion and now he’s gone completely. I Yeah. He’s gone to Europe. Uh, Jacob Laco, I I liked his game. Yeah. Had some energy, had he had spirit in it, you know. Uh, so again, another tweener and I I think a potter in that same sense. Yeah. I I I was really surprised and I think I talked to Mick about this last week. I was really surprised he didn’t get an NHL contract from somebody. Loco, even if it wasn’t the Bruins. Me, too. You know, and Matt Grylick. Yeah. Yes. He’s still out there. He’ll get a deal though, right? Like I have no doubt that somebody’s going to maybe he’s holding out for more than a team is willing to give him right now because he was coming off a good year. He had 40 careerhigh in points. He was playing over 20 minutes a night in Pittsburgh. Like his power play numbers were really good. Um he was a minus player but Pittsburgh wasn’t very good. Um but you would expect he’s not going to have to sing for his supper with a like a training camp invite Grizzlick that he would get a a deal somewhere uh based off what he did. And maybe he still will with like uh the BEu contingent going to the Rangers. Maybe they’ll figure out some way to uh open up. I thought that was automatic. Yeah. Yeah. No, he he made good he made really for for a one-year deal for where he was in his contract. I think he made 2.7 last year. I I forget the exact he made some pretty good money for a guy who arguably would have fallen into that 775 875 class. And maybe your point, Joe, maybe that’s where he is right now. There’s just a lot of clubs willing to take them on and and maybe that’s on the table. Maybe that’s been on the table and he’s holding out for something better via the the PTO. Yeah. Right. We’re saying the same thing. So, uh I hope so. I very like right now this situation. Yes. I I think he got underused here. I think he especially how the power play was flailing for as long as it did. Uh and again, he’s not a power play horse. I get it. But I think he could have been an instrument. And I think under under Sterm, he probably would have gotten that shot. Uh that again, I think you’re gonna see a different approach and a different vision on on who can play, who can’t, all of these things, situational. And that’s another intriguing part of this training camp is we we will get to see how Sturm sees the game through a coach’s eyes now for the first time. Yeah, I’m excited for all that because I think it’s going to be good. uh he you know people view him as an internal candidate, but he’s coming from another organization. He’s going to be bringing an outside yes perspective and an outsider’s eyes uh to everything that’s been going on with the Bruins and all the players that are here. And I think that’s good and I think that’s going to be exciting in training camp just like you’re mentioning. Um all right, let’s stop and thank our our friends at Prize Picks, the largest daily fantasy sports platform in North America and the easiest and most exciting way to play daily fantasy sports. Join over 10 million users and get started today. 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Uh, better off watching Boston College this season and hoping for some luck with getting McKenna next year. More than anything though, the Bruins are seemingly only ever good when they have a top D man, and they lack that. Um, I think they’ve got two top Dmen. I mean, do they is Charlie Makavoy everything you would possibly want in a number one defenseman? Does he do everything well? I I would say no. Um, but I would also say that he does uh enough things well and the things he does well, he does really well. Um, to call him a top demon. I think when he’s complimented like a guy with a guy like Hampus Lynholm, I think you can say that you have two top demon men, two horses at the top. Um the the thing that obviously the big question here Mick is that the health of the two of them and I think that’s a huge question mark going into this year is if the both of them can stay healthy. Um you know Makavoy has been relatively healthy over the last few years. The Four Nations thing was was kind of a freak injury. Um throwing his body around trying to like knock the be Jesus out of Conor McDavid I think uh you know trying to win a gold for team USA. he ended up get getting hurt and it was because he was playing at his highest level of intensity. Um and then and you know that obviously there were other things going on with the medical staff and and some questions around things that were going on there. So it seemed like kind of a freak thing when you look at all the factors involved about what happened to him. Um Hampus Lynhomem I think that’s a different story. He had a fractured kneecap. Uh he missed almost all of the year. He tried to come back at one point. definitely had a setback of some kind or some discomfort from the procedure that he had needed to undergo another procedure was shut down for the year. And you know, a big part of them trading off the veteran players they did at the deadline and having that fire sale was because both of those these top defenseman were gone. But but I think when you look at their defenseman core, I certainly think they have enough defenseman talent and enough top defenseman to win and compete and be a playoff caliber team. And if the team was better around them, I I think they would be fine to be like a Stanley Cup contender. The issue is more, I think, with the forwards um and Jeremy Swayman needing to come back and be exactly what he was in the a couple years ago. Now, Mick, your thoughts just on um whether you’re going to be better off watching BC than the Bruins this year and if the Bruins uh have a top demon or they do not. If I was a con, if I was a uh an agitated coach after practice, Is there a question in there, Joe? Yeah. Um, so I would say that if any of us are used to that, I think it would be you, my friend. Right. I own it. I own it. Let’s get Let’s give Spongebob some respect here with this question. Yeah. By the way, Dupes is having flashbacks to AF boards with these monikers. So anyway, um I love my favorite one is the guy who calls himself falls for it every year. So they had a big three with uh Makavoy, Lynholm, and Carlo. They wanted they shifted in the post Berseron Craig era from a two elite center team to a big three defense team. And the big three defenses now, Makavoy, Lynholm, and Zidorov. So yeah, and I think the question is a bit of a microcosm of the spoiled rottness of our fandom. Yeah. Of our of our fan fan base in the wake of the two ridiculous decades of the 21st century. that we had the constant threat, if not winning, by the Patriots, the Red Sox, and then the ascent of the Celtics, and finally the Bruins, and then this uh incredible run that the Bruins have had that that just carried forward, the momentum of that, you know, winning 50 games a year and always being in the hunt and being buyers, that’s it’s finally over. And so now all of a sudden, we’re going to pick on their best players. I I think that’s a little uh you know that’s a little Bostonish to me to do that. To me, it’s it’s the you identified the question, Joe. If you want this to turn into the Louis year, the first Peter Sharelli season of 067 and just be a completely different version of suck, then kick this tire, kick Makavoy and Lynholm right out of it like you did last year with the injuries and have Swayman not have a camp like he didn’t last year so you don’t get the goalending or the foundational defense and you’ll have your crappy team. it could you could do that to almost any team in the league. You can have key injuries undermine their ability to tract upward into the playoffs. So, um right now I’m looking at it saying, yeah, this is the foundation of the team. I think they’re pretty good back there and I expect them to be pretty good back there, but we don’t know if there’s going to be injuries. We do know that Makavoy has had serious shoulder stuff in his career and and that that playoff teams torpedo him. They come after him. I think the Bruins are trying to uh I think Zidorf was an attempt to get uh interference to that. Although now I don’t think they’re going to play together. I think Sidorf will play with Yoki Haru. Uh so but I do think that this is what they can adjust to if they want to, but they need to do a better job of protecting Makavoy and his retrievalss. Dubes, your thoughts? Well, the only the only thing I would quibble with there is Mick saying you could do that to almost every team in the league. There’s no almost. You you bring in those factors every team in the league. Totally correct, Mick. Uh that that’s what you’d get. You’d get the bad porridge that we watched here for 82 games. No question about it. Um so, a couple of things. I talked to I I talked to Hampus at length about 10 days ago. U he’s he sounds very energized. Uh, he says he’s back to 100%. It was a shattered kneecap. That second procedure was a screw that had to come out that was causing irritation. Yep. Uh, I’m I’m I’m grasping for a name here, so you guys help me. The kid that went from Anaheim at the at uh December 14th to St. Louis on defense. It’ll come it’ll come to me as I Cam F. Yes. Yes. So, interestingly, Don Sweeney talked on, I think, breakup day or soon after about had he known Hampus was going to be shut down, uh, that he was going to go the full season, he would have done something differently. And I I’m convinced doing something differently would have put him on LTIR, go out and get a real defenseman. The same day St. Louis got Fowler, the Bruins got the uh, the kid from the island. Again, help me. I’m grasping for names. The forward who’s uh had no Walstrom. Yeah. Walstrom. Yep. So, you know, they go out and get Fowler. Yeah. Yeah. They go out and get Fowler on December 14th instead. They may be in the playoffs. Brad Marshon may still be here. This is the fine line that all of this is on. Right. Right. So, yes. And again, we’re guilty of this. I was guilty of it with Jumbo Joe in terms of looking at him for what he wasn’t rather than for what he was. Uh I think there are parallels there with what we do with Makavoy. Although Makavoy’s game in my estimation is more developed than when they let Joe go. Yep. Uh but Joe went on to have a Hall of Fame career. So we’re always doing that. The only thing that mitigates in my mind when we when we typify the Bruins fan base as being spoiled, let’s remember one cup in 53 years. So, uh it’s it’s spoiled in terms of we saw or we saw Bour, we saw Park, we saw Charara. We’re always expecting more, but one cup in 53 years, I think it’s understandable people want want more. Uh they they certainly want they watch it to see the team win, right? They watch it to see that all all these pieces come together. So overall, I’m very encouraged by the back end. Uh I’m I’m I’m I’ll take Hampus at his word here that he’s he’s back in full stride. Feels really good. Uh, I I think when you see the types of injuries and Mick brought it up, a history of shoulder injuries now with Makavoy, the knee thing, we saw how we’ve seen a million times how knee things can go upside down. Kevin Miller being the most prominent case recently. Yeah. So, they’re going to go into that, no question, with a certain degree of fingers crossed. Yeah. and and like if if it’s going to go sideways again if those players miss a lot of time and if they’re entering that stage of their careers and they are entering sort of late 20s early 30s where like they’re probably going to get banged up a little bit more that’s sort of part of the whole I guess equation evaluating trying to forecast like what it’s going to look like and and how they’re going to be and how healthy they’re going to be and all that stuff. uh they they need to be healthy if the Bruins are going to uh you know get a wild card spot, compete for the playoffs um and bounce back and have similar health to what they had prior to last season. Um the but the other part of that I guess and and something we haven’t really talked about a lot is Jeremy Swayman. Um and I think he is a massive factor in all of this. Perhaps the biggest factor um in them being competitive and them surprising people is him bouncing back to what he’s capable of rather than last year’s lost season. You know, obviously there’s encouragement with the way he played in the World Championships and and helping Team USA win a gold medal. And um you know, there were flashes last year, but it felt like he just was stuck in neutral, stuck in the mud the whole year uh after missing training camp and just couldn’t get out of it. Um, and there was talk of, you know, whether there was disagreements, uh, or, you know, people angry in the Bruins dressing room about the hold out and how it’s summer in the season and all that stuff and just his approach to the whole thing. Um, how high is your belief dupes that Swayman uh emotionally, physically, mentally, like all that stuff is going to completely bounce back this year, will have a much better year, and will be the guy that the Bruins, frankly, are going to need him to be um if they’re going to be competitive. I think Jeremy Swimman’s a franchise goalender. I I do. And I and so you you look at you look at where he is, what he is. He’s young. He’s in condition. He’s smart. Y um you know I I don’t see any uh ego issue. Uh you know I he had a bad year. There’s no getting beyond that. Y and pe people look at his goals against averages save percentage and what I always look at with goalies is timely saves. That that’s that’s to me where he was a real disappointment when they needed the big save. either they had just gone ahead or they just pulled even. Those goals where he would give them up or it’s oh they’re trailing again. Oh, they just gave up the lead. You know, the the goalie’s got to be there. Forget the numbers that you the the GAA and the save percentage. Is he the guy who keeps you in the game, gets you over that hump? When you’re over the hump, you stay over the hump. Uh he’s gonna make the big save. you know that save where the cliche being you’ll remember that one if right there there was it was a year without that for Jeremy Swayman uh but I think he’s got the talent to get get to that point where he he preserves that but I’m not again it it ultimately comes down to wins not those numbers but wins and to me the root of that is the timely save yeah it is it reminds me of Mike Sullivan when he was coaching the Bruins And uh back in those days when they would win and you would ask about the goalending, he would he would say he made the critical saves at the critical points in the game. And that was like his stock line. He would say that every time. That was that was basically this is what I’m going to say about the goalies and stay out of trouble and yeah that’ll be the end of it and I don’t have to talk about the goalies anymore after that. Um Mick, your confidence level uh with with Swayman bouncing back and and like I agree with everything you’re saying dupes. Uh the only thing I would add to it or that was, you know, somewhat of a tough pill to swallow last year was that his bad season, his terrible season, much of that you could argue was self-inflicted. Like based on the situation, it takes two to tango. The Bruins played a role in that too. There’s no doubt about it. But much of that was, you know, or all of that was about holding out in training camp and not being there and, you know, holding out for every last dollar and it submarining their year. So, I think that he’s going to have to play well, too, to sort of make everybody fan-wise forget about that and sort of like be all in on him again. And it’s up to him to do that. He’s capable of it. No question about it. He’s got the talent and he should be able to do it. And I think he’s going to be highly motivated to do it this year. I think he’s a proud guy. I think he’s a competitive guy. And I’m sure he’s like, you know, he he wants last year to never happen again and for it to be over. And he’s he’s got the talent and wherewithal to do it. So, and he’ll have to be um that guy and it’ll have to be that much better if they’re going to compete this year. Mick, your thoughts on feelings on swimming going into this year by what happened in the postseason in the Worlds? Yeah. Um and I really feel like the start was the problem. That’s what spun the top and I felt like the top was out of control. It’s very similar to what happened with Byron Defoe in 99. He’s a VZ and a finalist. I mean, Hashik was always going to win it, but um he comes back the next year and has a hold out. And Pat Burns told our friend Chris Early, “I’ve never seen a hold out that didn’t hurt the player and the team.” Yeah. Right by the book. That’s exactly what we had. There was a perfect storm of other stuff that happened, including the mysterious offness of so many returning regulars to last year’s team. Charlie Coyle, Morgan, Geeky, they played like crap when they got there. The only guy I thought was really playing well was Zaka and and uh and the Hampus Lynholm in the back end. And then Hampus blocks that shot and his season’s done. and they don’t know it at the time, but we know it’s long term and and Monty didn’t survive it. And uh it was always an uphill season. Uh Razer similarly and the 0506 return of the NHL. Yeah. Um he’s he it wasn’t his fault in that case as much as it was the botched strategy that left Mike Oonnell with no money to deal with Razer and Nick Boon who are group two and he had to tell him wait I got to go get some free agents and fill this roster and um you know it was Super Bowl Sunday at 6:30m there was nothing on the shelves so and all of his good guys were gone And um so yeah, I I think that this is going to be a fresh start for everybody and I think that um it’s going to be very interesting to see what the Bruins can get out of a lot of these misfits who are going to try to do like a a f inaugural year Golden Knights kind of a thing and say, “Hey, nobody wanted us. Let’s try to do something here and be a team.” We’ll find out if it’s either that or it’s going to be a top line and a bottom nine. Unless Marco Sturm is is going to reinvent a lot of wheels that I don’t want to see reinvented. That that’s another wild card here. Um we could we could see him tinker. Who knows? You talking about the uh the 131 put you to sleep neutral zone trap. Is that the tinkering that you’re talking about? He’ll play that if he doesn’t feel like they’re playing well. He pretty much told Spit and Chicklets that. Yeah, if they’re not playing well, he’ll go to 131. If they if they’re playing well and scoring, then he’ll he’ll go for something more offensive stance. Um, so in other words, we’re going to see a lot of 131. That’s what you’re saying. Well, it could it could come down to that just to kind of hold them kind of hold them in the in the season, you know? Yeah. I mean, I like even at the this team’s best, even if they’re cranking, they’re not going to blow blow teams out offensively. They’re not. I guess I didn’t articulate it well because I was thinking more in terms of personnel. What if he doesn’t put the top line back together? What if he puts Morgan Geeky back on right wing where he doesn’t score? You know, I mean, there’s just a lot. I mean, Geeki’s canal now. I mean, he’s a he’s a right shot, big body, not too fast, but he’s got a knack and it works really well for him when he went to left wing. It helps playing with pasta. That inflated the numbers some more, but it’s got to be over there. His offense comes from left to center. That’s how it works for him. Michael Ryder, Steve Hines, certain get certain right shots have to be over there. He’s one of them and and really broke open his game. And so, uh, this is this is these are things Sturm has to has to figure out. I’m sure that the the management is very collaborative and they’re going to talk to him about everything that happened last year and what the guys who are returning, how they play, and what they think they can do. and then it’s gonna be Storm’s ball and we’ll see how he runs with it. Uh we talked a little bit about what you were most excited about for this upcoming season Bruins wise dupes. There’s another question. Um what is the best This is from RNDC2. What is the best move around the league this year this summer and what one has you scratching your head? And that’s leaguewide. as far as a move you really liked dupes or something you were like okay that team is you know really helped themselves and another team where what they did you were not sure what the game plan was there that’s a great question to make a great Sunday notes column and if I had my brains about me right now I’d have it off the top of my head uh I I I do like I do like where San Jose is going um I I think I think they’re organically they’re getting better uh just from their draft picks from picking solo. Yep. Um or Mike Greer knows what he’s doing. Like he’s a smart guy. Yeah. I I think I think they’re figuring it out. Um Pittsburgh doesn’t impress me. I’m I’m thinking some of the some of the places that really need some propping up. The one the one I uh mentioned when I I wrote this was a Q&A question from uh Boston Sports Journal. The one team that scratch makes me scratch my head uh more than any other. It wasn’t anybody they signed. It was the relative lack of activity for the Detroit Red Wings. Yes. And Steve Eisermanman who is what is now five, six years. The plan, the Eiser plan has been going on there and they’re not marketkedly better and they really didn’t do much this summer. Um and I’m not sure like what that one has me scratching my head like what are they waiting for? What are they doing? what what how are they going to get marketkedly better in an Atlantic division where there’s a lot of really good teams and you’ve got to hit a certain bar in order to make the playoffs. Yes, I agree. And I I thought even even though all the energy ended up being right energy around Marshian that he would resign in in Florida, I thought Detroit would have been a logical place for him. Yeah. again as you know plenty of cap money bring in a guy to stabilize a lineup, lead a lineup. I thought that would have been an ideal place for them. Uh I have no idea if it ever probably never got on the table, but you can identify certain teams that need need something and that’s what they need. They they need more of what Florida’s got. And of course, you can say that about every team in the league right now. I I’m gonna take a half step back here for a second, Hags, and say I don’t know what are we about 40 minutes into this now. Yep. And in in our entire discussion about the Bruins, and and what they’ve got, they’ve got the goalender. They’ve got pretty, you know, two really good defenseman and they we’ve talked about everybody. They have one of the elite goalend goal scorers of the era in pastac. We don’t even talk about them. Yeah. Right. We talk about again their foibless whether this guy can be that again you know to to to build a case why I don’t think they’re going to suck. Yes. They’ve got pastac correct right? Yes. One of the top three five scoring forwards in the game. Uh, so there are assets here against a 32 32 team field and I guess you could say 16 because it really comes down to a 16 team field when you’re trying to get in this. They’re they’re not in great shape, but I don’t think it’s this uh this building 19 and a half version of of the NHL team that people are making it out to be. Especially if if Steve spot is as advertised on the power play and comes in and reimagines that in a way where they can take advantage of Posteneck’s talents at you know and and get every last bit out of it on the power play. Then I think they’re going to be fine offensively. Like they’ll do they’ll score enough to win based on his talent, his ability to electrify a power play, his ability to attract attention whenever he has the puck and set other guys up like all and his ability to pass frankly when he’s in that position. like he’s become an elite playmaker as well as a scorer because he knows how to play off of the attention that he gets when everybody’s rushing at him with the puck. Um, you’re right, but like I think the part of the reason Dukes we don’t talk about him is because of his brilliance, you know, because it’s a it’s become a foregone conclusion how good he is, how good he will be, and how good he’s going to be next year. Um, because he just clocks in and does it every year. He got off to a little bit of a slow start last year. I’m not sure he was in the the greatest of shape in training camp. He said it was something to do with an injury he had over the summer or something that was bothering him, but like once he got going, uh, he was unstoppable and it was like that all the way into World Championships when he was playing there. But I almost feel like we don’t talk about him because there’s no questions about how good he’s going to be. You know, there’s like right there’s there’s not even a doubt as to to what he’s going to bring when he when he comes to the ice next year. But again, we we and I suffer from this too. The fandom the whole fan base of automatically discounting them as a franchise. Yes. When they’ve got one of the premier goal scorers in the game and that that does separate it as as for the power play at large, could it be worse, right? No. So, who whoever’s got it, you know, should be able to do a little bit. You you could look at last year and and make an argument that 10 power play goals across 82 games had it been the right game, had those 10 come on, they they’re in the playoffs. Yeah. That that’s that’s how critical it is. Eight to 10 power play goals, uh, which comes down to really one power play goal a month in the right game, they’re in. Think Arvinson’s going to help them there. Yeah, for sure. Yes. as a net. Yep. Yeah. And I try I would try Castellic I’d try Castellic in a net front position. Uh I don’t know if there so I’m not surprised to hear that. Yeah. Yeah. But you know to to to my to my point uh in in this case he is a forward. He does have some hands. He does have some spatial awareness around the net. Give him a give him a whack at it. Yeah. They played him up last year. It didn’t go well. And I think it was just because Monty broke up the fourth line because it was the only line playing well early in the season. And he and he sprinkled the three of them on different lines in the top nine hoping that the magic would rub off. And all it really wound up leading to was a dissolution of the one thing that was going well. And that’s un, you know, I mean, sometimes no matter what you try to pull out of your pocket, it, you know, you just get the lint and, you know, and that’s it, right? And, uh, and that’s what happened to Monty. But, you know, I I want to take a swing at Joe’s question real fast. I I like what Vegas did in getting Marner, not because I’m such a Marner guy, but because they really missed Marcho. He was their quick line driving winger who plays like with a center’s brain on the off the boards. uh they had that guy with that speed who was integral to their team and then they didn’t have him last year and that’s where Marner what Marner dresses that’s a classic GM move to get that player back in some manner shape or form and in this case an elite form. So, the other one that’s weird for me, my my one that’s lying in the weeds. I’m not anti-C cornerville. Um, I I understand he fell short in Chicago off the ice in a in a serious way, but I do I I know that Pat Beek want to be out in front of this thing and say, “Look, we’re ready to take another step with our franchise and we’re going to get this great coach here to take us to the next.” I think that that team made such substantial pro uh uh progress under Cro Cronin two years in a row that it frankly surprised me that he was willing to do it now. And most coaching changes don’t come under uh you know they usually come under duress. Um I famously remember Harry Syninden taking Rick Bonis kicking him to the curb after he swept the Montreal Canadians. They overachieved that tired team with an influx of young players to get in there against Pittsburgh which was almost a dynastic dynasty and um and lost in four straight in the conference final. And then because he loved the way the Blues play under Sutter, he fired bonus and brought in uh uh Brian Sutter. Um I like Brian Sutter. A lot of people didn’t like Brian Sutter, but I didn’t like why how he got the job. I didn’t like that. So, you know, I mean, so I’m not I’m not sure how I feel about the Ducks. We’ll see if this goes right or wrong. Yeah, that’s a good call. I mean, I I was a little surprised that Cronin was let go, too. I know there were like the once again bringing up spitting chicklets. There was, you know, the he was one of the guys that kind of uh there were whispers about him having a lot of personality clashes with players in the room or being too hard on them or players not wanting to play for him. Um, and he’s he’s a hard driving coach. There’s no doubt about it. But like he was getting results and there’s talent there in Anaheim. And it could be one of those situations like the in Boston where you know in hindsight uh you know moving from uh Cassidy a hard driving coach that the players didn’t want to play for anymore uh to a guy that was a softer approach. I don’t think that was the right call and I don’t think it ended up uh helping them in the long run. Certainly didn’t help them in the playoffs. Yeah. They had a record-breaking season but you know they they got rid of the player. Yeah. Yep. Yeah, exactly. Um, and that’s what they ended up doing after the after a couple years of the softer approach. And I think I I’m interested to see I think Marcos Sturm’s a little bit of a hybrid in that sense. Um, I I think the players will like playing for him, but I also think he’s not going to be afraid to be critical. I think we’ve already seen that. He’s not going to be afraid to speak his mind and be critical if he thinks something needs to be said. Um, and that’ll be interesting to see how some of those players in that room uh deal with that and and that sort of back and forth uh given how they’ve bristled at it, the public public criticism and the or the public just discussion of of games and not everything being uh sunshines and and puppies and rainbows uh in public to the media. I think all of that’s going to be really interesting. What I always find about this interesting in this discussion and I agree on Cronin, I thought Cronin deserved another year. Yeah. Uh they they made great strides. They even got Zegris to buy in. Yep. Uh you know, there was I I thought for for for what he was positioned to do, he delivered it. And I I you know, in a in a fair world, on merit, he deserved it. It isn’t always the case. And that’s a perfect analogy on the bonus firing. A prettier girl came into the dance and Harry decided to to to to do that. So, uh, but what what surprises me in this whole discussion is one of one of the real neat things about covering hockey is players will admit when they suck. Yeah. Uh, by and large, it’s not universal, but it’s fairly universal that after a game when when they stink. You go up to a player, he’ll did it, they have no problem telling you, I blew it. I stunk. I got to do better than that. Right? I mean, that is the culture of the sport. Uh, and there’s a lot of failure within the sport because of just the bounce of the puck. But then you get a coach who’s honest about it. And I I don’t understand that mentality. Yeah. He said you suck. You said you suck. I mean, so what? Yeah. What’s the problem? Say it. You can’t say it. That’s the problem, right? Everybody tiptoes around everybody else. But yeah, here’s your fogg. Hit yourself with it. That’s how in this game. And and I and I gotta say I mean I I loved Cassidy from from my perspective and I think this was this was universal among the media. Yes. Answered the question answered it honestly often took the question to a next dimension. Yes. Which was which was astounding for a coach. Gave you something more to think about than what you had asked. Right. it and his what what they were what I’m led to believe players were deeming as open criticism was just b everybody saw it. It wasn’t like he was it wasn’t like he was revealing secrets about what you were doing outside your marriage or something. He was just talking about your game and it’s got to be better in this certain situation. We’re going to have to move him around because he’s not doing the job as a as a faceoff man or whatever it was really. That That’s That’s how sensitive you are. Hey Dukes, remember the time at Wilmington after practice when it was Yumi and Filar standing there and you asked Kev Pat Burns on their way to Chicago, are you guys uh calling anybody up, sending anybody down or what? and he just went off and talked about ice packs and hot packs and I’m sick of this and I’m sick of that. And he freaking read the riot act. They were like 500 at that point and they wound up matching the prior season’s record and going on a tier getting 91 points which in that area didn’t get the shootout and um and they and they wound up making the playoffs and winning a series. It was the only year they won a series in between 1994 and 2009. I mean, that’s a 15 years, one series. That was the year they did it. And that’s how Pat Burns went off on them at Wilmington. And answer to your question about routine ups and downs going on the trip. And I was going to say I I’m great at those cutting edge questions. Who’s on the trip? Any any columns? Yeah. What time does the game start? Well, he coached the media. B Pat Burns was the best I’ve ever seen at coaching the media. And in the year before he first started, I remember Karen was at the game and and after after they lost a a game early season, um he he to the Red Wings, no doubt. Um he said uh she said something about the prior season and he said, “This is this is Karen Gerrian. This this has nothing to do with last year. This is I’m not gonna And then he goes off on all of us and says, “I’m not going to let you guys sit here and on Jim Carrey and on the Boston Bruins. These guys played their hearts out. They played their hearts.” He knew they were all standing in a locker room looking up at monitors watching this on Nessa and and uh they played for him and they turned it around and they had a really good season. And it was the next season, the sequel season to that that he came down on them in Wilmington when he felt like they were feeling sorry for themselves when they’re all banged up mid mid year. And uh and so he he he was a master at using us to get at his players and it was fun. Yeah, good coaches can do that. They have the ability to do that. I you you mentioning that story, Mick, makes the me miss the crow’s nest in Restuchia where we used to do those press conferences after the practices. Oh, yeah. RIP to that place. That was Yeah, that’s the preseason banquet. That’s what I got to ask Jerry Chvers and Ross Brooks who was sitting together, who’s the best goalender you ever saw? And without any hesitation, they didn’t even look at each other. They just both said Terry Sachuk and Blake stereo. And I said, why? and they both answered. He was always square to the puck. No prior conversation that I know of. No, I was I was gonna ask him that question. I was writing a a magazine article for hockey stars. All right, we’ve hit the hour mark, so we’re going to end on that great hockey anecdote note. Uh, dupes Mick, thank you very much for joining us. Uh, let’s also let everybody know uh that you’re listening to the Pucks with Hags podcast, a proud member of the CLS Media Network. Make sure to hit subscribe to the Ruins Ringside YouTube channel, and turn on notifications for when a new video drops on this channel. Uh, this show was also brought to you by Prize Pix, the largest daily fantasy sports platform in North America. Download the Prize Pix app today, and we’ll use the code CLNS and get $50 instantly when you play five bucks. That’s code CLNS on Prize Pix to get $50 instantly when you play $5. You don’t even need to win to receive the $50 bonus. It’s guaranteed. Prize picks run your game. Mick Dupes, thanks for joining us, my friends. All right, lads. Great time. everybody else, enjoy the rest of your summer. Yeah, you too. 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2:01 Class of ’25 Hockey Hall of Fame induction coming up in November
4:20 What are you most excited about heading into the season?
13:15 Can the Bruins compete for a wildcard spot?
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25:24 Do the Bruins lack a top defenseman?
35:00 How badly do the Bruins need Jeremy Swayman to bounce back?
41:55 How much will Marco Sturm tinker with this team?
43:19 Best and worst NHL offseason moves
45:49 How much does Pastrnak elevate the Bruins?
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50:03 More of the best and worst NHL offseason moves
52:59 What effect will Marco Sturm have on this team?
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