He is just so far ahead of everyone else defensively and I feel losing him would hurt this team in ways we can’t even see.

I also have hope for his offense though I realize that it’s unlikely to ever be even close to good.

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  2. I generally agree and feel like the offense is just something to live with if the pitching staff enjoys working with him.

    The long-term problem is MLB’s likelihood of moving to an automated ball and strike system that takes away Bailey’s strength in framing.

  3. He’s also been batting above .240 with 25 RBIs since May 16th so he hasn’t been completely horrible offensively in a while

  4. Right now there is no player on this team that is untradeable. Even when he’s out there they can’t win and if they can get really good assets back then he should be traded but honestly his offense is so bad I don’t think they can get much for him.

  5. I can assure you the goldglover is not at the top of the list of players Giants fans want out.

  6. I actually saw that Bailey brings 0 value statically speaking because…
    • Defense +17 differential
    •Offense -15 Differential
    •Base running -2 Differential

    In conclusion his defense offsets his offense which is magnificent because his offense is terrible. But it also means he adds no value lol

  7. Some people want Bailey gone..? He’s one of the best catchers in the NL. His offense will pick up.

  8. The people who want him gone are the same people who say they hate things like “launch angle” which the team catered to with their coaching staff hirings of all these old morons who used to play for the Giants. They don’t understand baseball. He is Ozzie Smith but at catcher. He is the last player that should be replaced on the team.

  10. At this point Ide take a mediocre catcher and a better hitter 100 out of 100 times

  11. The gap between Bailey (#1) and  Alejandro Kirk (#2) is the same as the gap between Kirk and Carlos Santana (#36).

  12. No one is ever going to live up to the standard of Buster Posey, not even the Big Dumber nor Bobby Witt Jr. and the fanbase has to adjust to that fact. Posey’s departure is less than 4 seasons ago.

    That being said, there’s a lot to be desired in offense with Bailey— but there’s also a lot to be desired in the entire lineup’s offense.

    I’ll take a gold glove sherif behind the dish any day.

  16. Nobody freaked out this much when BCraw didn’t hit, and BCraw didn’t have this large of a defensive impact.

  17. It’s wild that the “traditionalists” are now against all the great defensive catchers they spent decades defending.

  19. I can forgive his bat with how insanely good he is with the glove. Throw him 9th in the batting order and move on. There are far bigger fish to fry with the line up.

  22. The haters are all due to recency bias. We were spoiled with Posey and now that our catcher isn’t a great hitter, everyone thinks he’s shit… And they’re all wrong. However, I’d be intrigued to see if his value would be just as good when framing is no longer relevant. His pop time and arm are still one of the best, but without the framing you’d have to think his value would decrease.

    Also, his hitting has improved since he abandoned the torpedo bat experiment. It was probably too little to late though… But I’m less concerned about his bat compared to the ones who need to be hitting like Adams, Devers, and Ramos. Bailey will never be a power hitter, but he’ll be serviceable as a #9 hitter with a gold glove on D.

  24. Is there a hitting equivalent to Fielding Run Value? So curious to see which hitters are this far ahead of other hitters

  25. Ah. I see the MLB article now. That’s a 3yr FRV.

    It’s fun that PCA having an incredible, highly-publicized defensive season that the the 2025 FRVs saying Bailey having an even better one.

  26. Defense; calling a game; working with pitchers before and between starts, etc are al hallmarks of a good MLB catcher. His inability to scratch out 50 RBI for a season or bat .250 with RISP for an entire season are some things fans will just have to accept. Now, do I think “pitch framing” is more important than AVG with RISP? Of course not, but I think its an UNFAIR comparison. If this team had any real RBI-men, or anyone who could bat over .245 with RISP, I dont think Bailey would be getting so much heat. That being said, I do think Posey HAS to make radical changes in the offseason: a team with a payroll over $200 million cant continue with 75 win type seasons. Our beloved Giants need a RF, LF, 2nd, 1st, a B/u catcher, 2 starting pitchers, and 2 relief pitchers. Bailey isnt the problem. He part of the future solution.

  28. Numbers don’t mean much to me right now. Results are what matter. A loss is a loss. The River Cats could do the same thing. They might even win one.

    Let’s put the entire team on the IL for a week and bring up the Cats. They can’t do any worse. Just say the entire team got sick and can’t play. Maybe keep the pitchers. I don’t blame them really. It’s everyone else. Bad offense. Stupid fielding errors. Bad base running. Brain farts galore. It’s contagious.

  29. This is one of those BS stats. Or is it saying how many outs he’s made wish RISP?

  32. Totally fair. But I’d literally rather see Verlander bat for himself and Bailey get DH’d for at this point. Same results with 100x the entertainment value.

  35. 1st and foremost, the giants have ao many issues beyond patrick bailey not hitting. NO ONE IN THE LINEUP CAN HIT AT ALL. Period. Keep bailey. Worse comes to worse you have bailey be the backup. But you keep a player this talented on defense

  36. On a good team with consistent offense his defense would have more value. On a team that struggles to score 3 runs, his defense doesn’t help as much.

  37. It’s not that I want him gone. No way. He’s still on a rookie deal and does provide a lot of value defensively. But the team needs to pair him with another catcher than can hit a little bit. Not expecting Cal Raleigh but at the very least someone who’s closer to league average offensively. I like the guy they got back in the Camilo deal. Hopefully he can be that.

  38. What we need is a real backup catcher.. so when Bailey gets a rest it doesn’t look like we put a literal blind person behind the plate. Maybe it’s just me?

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