They were very vocal here before the deadline. Just wondering how they're feeling about that now. Are you okay with Shaw? If the price for Suarez would have been Shaw and Caissie would you make that trade in hindsight, seeing these guys the past few weeks?
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In game threads complaining about the lineup every single day
David Kaplan
I don’t know anyone who was advocating that we trade Shaw OR Caisse for Suarez.
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Yeah, everyone screams for a big splash in FA and then complain when the move blows up in their face. Glad the FO didn’t mortgage the future. We have a lot of young potential and won’t know the ceiling for a couple years. Just getting Imanaga, Taillon and Assad back helps a ton, add Cassie. Next year we’ll get Steele back. Wait until the offseason to make a big move. I imagine FA will want to come here.
That was never even remotely the price for Suarez. Shaw wouldn’t have gone anywhere, they just would have benched him for no reason.
Nevermind the people lamenting them trading Cam Smith rather than Shaw.
To be fair, I don’t think anyone expected Suarez to fall off like that. Seattle is just hard to hit at regardless.
I was busy fixing Tucker’s swing. Sorry. I like Shaw.
Firstly, I would’ve been out when Suarez got hit in the hand. I wouldn’t have pivoted to Castro (there was a blind pick post based on some stats near the deadline between the two where I was against acquiring Castro).
Secondly, was there anyone looking to ditch the long-term plan at third base and the team’s number one prospect for a rental? Everything I saw people saying about Caissie was that he should be included only if it was for controllable pitching, and I didn’t really see any people discussing Shaw as a trade candidate but more as a “we could bolster this position in the short-term while he figures out the bat”.
Are the people trading Shaw and Caissie for Suarez in the room with you right now?
Let Matty cook
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As a Mariners fan first, Cubs fan second, I didn’t want either team to take on Geno. He’s a fantastic vibes guy and has the potential to put up numbers like did in the first half but he’s damn expensive and will go on slides like this out of nowhere.
Made me super confused why every M’s fan I know assumed we’d be making the world series when we signed him again.
Happy the Cubs passed on the asking price. With the M’s did.
lol I love the hindsight crowd like Suarez wasn’t a top 5 hitter in the league up to the deadline while Shaw was one of the worst. I’m very happy we kept Shaw up and that he’s crushing but stop ignoring very important context.
Whether or not it was smart to choose Suarez over Shaw at the trade deadline can only be determined based on what we knew at the time.
Using 20-20 hindsight a month later to dunk on people only serves to make you look … not good at all.
You can’t really predict what he’d do for the Cubs, look at Vaughn, Sox to Brewers.
And I’m not even one of the guys that wanted to fill 3rd base. I collect Shaw cards, I’m rooting hard for him! I’ve wanted him in the lineup since day 1.
I love the keyboard warriors who come on here immediately for karma when things change. Did you predict any of this to happen Nostradamus? We were saying trade for him only as a means to get better at the position and to give a softer landing to Matt who was clearly struggling still and ended up changing his stance for again (4th time?) during the ASB. Seattle is one of the hardest parks to hit in. Hitters are streaky (see ex A Seiya Suzuki).
We were looking for 3B help all offseason as well, and I don’t see you posting Bergman’s numbers.
Ask David Kaplan lol he was pushing for Suarez for 2 months straight everyday
I didn’t even want Suarez but some of the people commenting here are the worst kinds of Cubs fans. Blind optimism over a realistic approach – we’re called the lovable losers for a reason. Even after 2016 people have reverted back to their old ways, pretty pathetic
I didn’t want Suarez. I wanted starting pitching and I think I’ll be proven right in that not having an additional SP come in will put a lower ceiling on this teams future.
Baseball has always been and will always be a results based business, I was advocating for picking up Suarez and letting Shaw figure it out in Iowa. I wanted those results, first half Cubs were not getting anything at the plate from third. Berti and Brujan were still getting starts
But I don’t think anyone in the Organization thought Shaw wound make such a drastic adjustment so quickly at the plate. Hell, I didn’t think he’d ever be a bad defender at 3rd but I didn’t think he’d be second to only Hayes in DRS at this point in the season.
No props to Jed, all props to Matt, dude has made adjustments on the field and at the plate and I think he is gonna end up being a Nico with more pop, which is to say a fantastic player
Hindsight.
We’re all idiots, don’t pay attention to us
These types of posts are so bad and over reactionary. The price for Suarez was nowhere even remotely near Shaw and Caissie (and no one was clamoring for trading both for him), so don’t act like that was the case. 0 top 100s were traded. There’s also absolutely nothing wrong with wanting to bolster the roster and bring in the best hitter on the market when the goal is to win a World Series. 3B had the most uncertainty and least experience in the lineup, and the roster could have absolutely used a better hitting situation (the bench still couldn’t hit and had 2 useless bats still). Also, wanting Suarez didn’t mean giving up on Shaw. It’s possible to want to bolster/de-risk the roster in the interim while still believing in Shaw as the long term 3B. It’s not either or.
Shaw has been incredible since and I love it, he’s the 3B of the future. Wanting an established rental hitter for a playoff run doesn’t change that at all. Yeah he’s struggled since the deadline, but he has a career of being a proven good hitter, which would help in a hopeful deep playoff / WS run. I’m quite content without Suarez now and happy with the roster, but there’s also nothing wrong with anyone having wanting to trade for Suarez
I think most people were ok with not trading for Suarez. Being that we may not retain Tucker it would have been rough to trade prospects again for a guy we probably won’t resign. Especially since Suarez has had a very up and down career
More people seemed upset that we didn’t trade for a better Starter. Then again all of the guys that were higher end options ended up not getting traded so the price may have been too high and at this point our Starters have really stepped up. The big reason we started to struggle was because we simply just couldn’t hit enough to win those close losses
Slumps are part of the game. Anyone claiming that they knew 2 months ago that Suarez, Tucker or PCA would have one, or that Cubs management should have known these would happen or prevent them from happening is a royal doosh.
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I’m happy it’s all working out with Shaw but I would have killed for Eugenio Suarez lol. I’m sorry I just love him, one of my favorite non-Cubs.
Tried talking about this with a friend the other day who was complaining about Hoyer and blaming him for the offensive slump.
He completely dismissed Saurez’s Seattle stats because “We don’t have a crystal ball to know he’d be putting up the same numbers in Chicago”.
He also still would have traded for him, even with the knowledge of his poor performance, because it would have “made him feel better as a fan that the front office was at least trying to raise the team’s ceiling”.
Absolutely, infuriatingly stupid. All I could say is that I’m glad he’s not the GM.
I mean you’re kidding yourself if you also didn’t want him. 38 HRs vs a guy who until the ASB had struggled mightily. I love that Shaw has been great and is a real weapon. There’s also no guarantee Suarez would have been bad in Chicago. It would have been a good trade. HR power plays in the playoffs
This sub needs a little weekend retreat with some trust falls and campfire singalongs. The Cubs are winning, Tucker is back, Matt Shaw might be the greatest 3rd baseman to have ever lived. It’s high five time y’all
Right here. Price for Suarez was never Caissie and Shaw (no idea where that came from) but it did end up being too much. I was all in on getting him, heck he’s one of the best home run hitters out there. But I did change my mind when I saw what they wanted from him. Thankfully, it worked out for us because Shaw has become a good hitter but given what we knew before the break, I think wanting a Saurez trade was reasonable. The same way wanting Tucker to rest was reasonable
Suarez was one of the hottest hitters in the league up to the deadline and shaw was just getting hot then.
Matt Shaw got the receipts!
Hindsight is always 20/20.
I think it was a very popular opinion to want them to trade for Suarez.