Dan Boyle Teams Up With the San Jose Hockey Now Podcast! | EP 100 – Sharks Captain & Leadership

Dan Boyle Teams Up With the San Jose Hockey Now Podcast! | EP 100 – Sharks Captain & Leadership

Welcome to the 100th episode of the San Jose Hockey Now podcast. I’m Shang Pang, editor-inchief of San Jose Hockey Now. You can also find my work at MEC Sharks on Twitter, Shang_pang, on Blue Sky, Shangpang. And also follow us on Instagram, San Jose Hockey Now. And I’m Keith McDall. Find me on Twitter at halfwall_hockey. My website half-wall hockey.com or at San Jose hockey. Now we’re gonna get better, inventor of the Chomp and uh Division 2 Beer League, San Jose Ice. Find me there. Give you a good slash or two, I swear. And who’s this guy in the corner? We have a fourth guy. Very, very special. We are going to give Dan Bole the proper introduction that he deserves in just a second. But before we do that though, just a word from our sponsor. Bring hockey back. Bring hockeyback.net. Go to bring hockey back. Get any of hockey jersey that you want. Custom hockey jerseys for your beer league team for any kind of occasion. Also today, they have awesome t-shirts. I am wearing one of these today. It’s a short shirt. So bring hockey back. Go to bring hockeyback.net. Keep on code San Jose Hockey now and get 15% off. Yes. All right. Get it. We need a Boiler shirt now. Bring hockey back’s got to do something with boil in it. We’re going to work on that. We’re going to work on that. Yep. All right. Well, I’m super excited. This is uh this is an awesome moment for all of us. We got Dan Bole with us. Obviously, all the Sharks fans know of you, but let’s just do a quick recap. Uh one of my all-time favorite Sharks. Uh, no joke. Uh, also as you know, foot twin. Uh, I picked up a pair of your Eastons about 12 years ago and rocked those Jets for a couple of seasons of beer league. And uh, yeah, that’s right. The biggest note, Stanley Cup champion, gold medal winner, and a rare group of undrafted defenseman who’ve played over a thousand games in the NHL. Um, you’ve obviously fought your way into the NHL as an undersized defenseman. uh in a league that was tougher to play in than it is today and earned respect of everyone in the game, playing big minutes in every situation and under Tordella, which I think needs its own little, you know, I’m sure we’ll talk about him this season at some point. Yeah, of course. Of course. And uh obviously skated with some of the best players ever to play the game, Montana St. Louis, Joe Thornton um over the course of an 18-year career and now a part of San Jose Hockey Now. Welcome, Dan. Yeah, thank you guys for having me and uh this is a perfect job for me because uh I’m a homebody unless I’m golfing or taking my girls somewhere. Uh I like to be at home. So this is uh this is a pretty good gig and uh I did my research with you guys on uh a couple Saturdays ago and a couple Saturdays before that and it was a very good for research guys. It was a very good hang. Uh some very very You guys are some very, very strange dudes. I don’t know. I don’t know Keegan well yet. I don’t know Keegan well yet, but also a pretty strange dude. We’re gonna get into that. There’s some weird [ __ ] going on between these two. But yeah, I’m the normal one. I promise. It was uh it was a definitely a good uh a good vibe and uh happy to be here. I love it. Yeah, we had some we had some good chats and uh lots of good drinks as well. I think our our first night when we were all hanging out in Lascatus, we were we’re trying to figure out what we all had in common and get a vibe for each other and we realized that uh at at the center of the our all of our conclusive ven diagram is we’re all highly competitive people. We all love the Sharks in hockey. And lastly, we all love Tom Cruz. I was gonna say and we have strange taste in music and movies. Yes. When I when I say strange, I mean like it’s awesome. It’s an awesome taste in movies, but it’s just different than the norm, I would say. Oh, yeah. Totally agree. Uh, we heard a story about what you played on one of the Sharks trips. Actually, speaking about strips, you want to want to tell us about that? Yeah. This is our first episode. We’re going to get right into it, huh? I thought we save enough for the Halloween episode. How many How many How many listeners do you have, Shane? Because we may go How many do you have? You may go hopefully a few thousand. Uh you we may go to like a hundred thousand or we may we may go down to five. But those five are going to be our favorite people. Dieards. Yeah. So people right now will determine whether they’re going to listen to this podcast or they’re just never going to listen to again. So, I have a very eclectic, weird taste in movies. In particular, I like horror movies, but not the horror movies that you’re going to see on Netflix or the movie theater. I like the stuff that’s kind like on the black market, some of the stuff that you’re not supposed to see. So, this article dance, this movie that came out uh a few years ago, maybe 10, 15 years ago, was called The Human Centipede now. Oh, geez. It became like a cult classic, but before it became a cult classic, nobody knew what the hell it was. And uh I love the movie. I thought it was brilliant. Uh great acting. Wonderful. Brilliant. An overstatement, but I think it’s interesting. I don’t know about acting in the movie. It just was perfect. I thought it was a great movie. I thought it was a fantastic movie. And uh so fast forward to uh this is probably what mid 2010 somewhere at that point. uh maybe like 2012 or something like that. Uh we used to wherever we would fly um now everyone’s got their own iPads and phones. Everyone’s kind of dialed into their own thing, but back then there would be screens in the middle of every third aisle. That’s right. And they would put the DVDs at the front. uh the stewartis stewies uh I don’t know what you’re supposed to say anymore but the the the people that worked the airplane would put the movies uh in the front and it would play on every monitor you either had to watch it plug in your headphones and watch it or you were kind of on your own. So we took this one flight and we’ll eventually bring some people on board to maybe talk about it at some point. But the sharks every year they kind of take their big hitters uh their big sponsors. Um they fly them out uh for like a a road trip if you will. And uh so there’s some big hitters at the front of the plane. Some some won’t mention any names, but I had the brilliant idea of putting the human centipede on. So, so all these like gazillionaires, huge sharks fan, amazing sponsors, amazing people were like, “What am I watching?” And then when the scene starts when he feeds them and stuff, they’re like, “What the [ __ ] is this?” And it was like a gasp across the airplane. And I was like, “Fucking watch the movie.” And so cinema brilliant. There’s some horror stories where people were like like nauseous there. Nicholas Wallene was a player on our team. He thought I was the [ __ ] craziest man he ever met. I’m like, “Dude, it’s a [ __ ] great movie. Just watch the movie.” Anyway, so we watched The Human Centipede on a Sharks plane. And one of my one of my uh that was it’s a good story. So Sharks fans uh that next season, the reason the ticket prices went up sponsors were gone. For those that haven’t seen The Human Centipede, go watch it. Then there’s a number. Oh, don’t watch it. Don’t watch. And then there’s a number three. So if you like one, you just add another person every time. Is that the Well, it goes It goes from Yeah, it goes from three to 12. And the last one is about 120. It’s in a prison yard. That is Well, if you’re doing it right, don’t you start from the back. Work your way. I think you want to be You want to be the front guy. You want to be the front guy. You always want to be and the people that know the movie will know why. Got you got to be number uno on that one. All right. Here’s here’s to a new era of San Jose. Yeah. Let’s go, boys. [ __ ] race. Cheers. Human centipede right away. Five minutes in. Human centipede. Let’s go. Yeah. I don’t know if we can get the rights to the human centipede. I feel like we might get banned or or demonetized if we played it in the corner, but or people would just unsubscribe. Soundtrack. It could be our our intro song now. Anything brighter? Any any anything a little bit to spark our day? No, because some some of the other movies that I’ve watched are Oh, no. Worse. So, well, we’ll we’ll go to top three favorite Tom Cruz flicks. All right. Yeah. So, that came up uh for me. Uh it it clearcut number one is Vanilla Sky, which is my favorite movie of all time. I would call it a mind [ __ ] Anyone that hasn’t watched it, it’s [ __ ] brilliant. It’s amazing. Great movie. Yeah. Um I think we were number two and three. There’s He’s made so many great movies. I I’m gonna put Last Samurai in there. Number two. Last Samurai. Okay. Yeah, I know. I know. I know. And then number three is kind of like a tossup. There’s so many good ones, but I have to go with the Top Gun Maverick. Um, I think as a number three, but there’s there’s so many more. Now that I’m saying that out loud, I’m like, [ __ ] there’s so many more. But we’ll go with those three right now. I love it. I think so. Vanilla Sky, that’s Now that you mentioned it, that wasn’t in my top three, but so Magnolia’s right there. So, Magnavalia is in my top three. That role was probably my favorite. Tom Cruz role, that role like is just killing. Yeah. Yeah. Absolutely. That first intro, the first time I saw that movie, I was like, “Oh my god, I’ve never seen Cruz like this.” Yeah. It was awesome. And and whenever people tried to debate me with Tom Cruz, I’m like, “Name me someone else, any actor in the history of mankind that’s worked with Paul Thomas Anderson, Stanley Kubri, and Steven Spielberg.” Yeah. Yeah. Yep. Like there’s a reason why everyone works with him. So wide shut eyes wide shut. That’s my that’s my number one. So you’re you’re just picking off my list. That and then my number three, Mission Impossible one. Okay. Okay. See, like I’m I’m kind of like a I like Tom Cruz in that like dramatic role, right? Like I love Tom Cruz in A Few Good Men. Like A Few Good Men is a f one of my favorite movies of all time. And it’s not because Tom Cruz is brilliant in it. Obviously, Jack Nicholson kind of like steals the show in it, but just he’s just that that character is just perfect. Like he’s a straight man who’s like has his job. He knows what he’s doing. He’s dramatic as hell. That’s that’s the Tom Cruz that I like. I think he’s Does he sprint? Does he sprint in a few men? I love good Tom Cruz sprint. You know, he might sky opening the the only time New York City has ever been shut down or square. Wasn’t the opening scene with everything in its right place because Radio Head’s my favorite band. Yeah. Uh yeah. Yeah. So that’s the at least at least I had read that somewhere that it was the only time they ever shut uh Time Square down 4 in the morning or 5 in the morning and for uh for that scene which was pretty uh pretty as they should for Tom Cruz. As they should. As they should. Shangers, what are your top three? Oh, Keegan, you didn’t finish. You have a couple others or is that your your one? Uh, I love I love I love Top Gun. I love uh Tropic Thunder as well. Was it excellent? Oh, you took mine. Yeah, I know. I love that that that’s a more of a newer one cuz that was like Days of Thunder. What about Days of Days of Thunder? No, I was looking at his IMDb today. You can honestly pick like 20 of his movies. 25 of his movies are all very very legit. Would all be favorites of everybody. Very quickly for myself, uh Maverick definitely is number one. Uh, I’m going to say something that will probably get me beat up by you guys in the get stuff in the locker room later. I actually haven’t seen Vanilla Sky. I realized that. The reason why I haven’t seen it though is because I’, I saw the Spanish version first and then Well, that means I think you saw it. So, yeah. So, so I thought to myself, well, I don’t know if I need to watch the Tom Cruz version. Well, so who are you, who was your Spanish girlfriend at that time? I did not have a Spanish girlfriend. I just the one one I watched. I was really into movies, but okay. I have a couple others. Okay. The obvious one is Jerry Magcguire. That’s the obvious one. I was just going to say Jerry McGuire. You guys missed this one though. You guys missed. And this one is as good as anything he’s done. Like I go with a lot of the ones I can rewatch all the time. And Edge of Tomorrow. I can put that movie on all the [ __ ] time. Like I love that movie. Background all the time. It’s such a good movie. And finally, Tropic Thunder. Just because he’s hardly in it, but he’s so good when he’s in it. He should have won, in my opinion, he should have been nominated for Oscar for that because I think halfway through the movie, I don’t think anybody knew it was Tom Cruz and people started realizing that’s how good he was. So anyway, he was he was great. I just I don’t see that as a Tom Cruz movie, although he was phenomenal in it. Yeah. Yeah. But I heard too that like when he got asked to do the Tropic Thunder role, he ideiated that entire character. He was like, I want to be overweight. I want to be able to dance. And they were like, “What?” And he’s like, “That’s the only way I’m doing it.” And he created that whole character. And I I don’t know if this I feel like I heard this somewhere that they’re doing a spin-off. Like they’re bringing the character back. Oh, really? And it’s like a Tom Cruz spin-off. If he does it, then I’m in on it. I mean, is Mission Impossible like 26 already done? He’s got He could fit in one. He’s supposed to be over finally. So, yeah. All right. That’s Yeah. So, our uh our our last podcast got uh torn apart for being the Los Angeles Hockey Now podcast because it was a little bit Los Angeles focused instead of San Jose. So, I think now we’re like the uh Hollywood Yeah. the Tom Cruz podcast. The Hollywood Top 100. You know what, guys? I’m I do what I want. All right, guys. That’s true. Shank does whatever he wants. We’re going to get back to So So, Sharks were so mad at us. They were. And we just got to say we’re here for the Sharks. We’re for the boys. Look who we brought on. We’re all sharks, baby. If you want some stories, I’ll give you guys some stories. I just got to give you guys a little bit at a time. I can’t give you everything on the first day. Yeah. Well, I don’t know if we can talk human centipede story, though. So, if anyone anyone bothered, just email Shangpang. Leave me out of it. You won’t find me on I got to see who was on the team that year and be like everybody who was on the team that year like, “Do you remember when Dan made the sponsors watch human centipede?” I I texted with the uh Randy Han. Randy Han loves talking about that story. So maybe we get him on there. But yeah, it was uh some people were pretty mortified. You know, it’s it’s not that you put on a team playing. It’s one thing if it’s just it’s just the boys watching it, but that the sponsors Well, that that makes the story that makes the story that much better, right? That’s what makes it classic. Yeah. They’re like, why am I putting my money into this? What have I done? But there was one guy who was super pumped. He was like, “Yeah, I get it.” Learned something about himself. He had 50 wins that year. We can play. Yeah, right. You know what I mean? And that’s when Hasso bought the Sharks. Yeah. Yeah. I think that that doctor was German, I think. So, yeah. There you go. They got something in common. That checks out. Cancel. Cancel. Right. All right, boys. Uh, so main topic, we are covering a hockey team. Yeah. Yeah. Right. So, so we we’re going to talk with Boilers today some more and and and and and before we get to the news, you know, we’re going to get to some news and notes and then talk a little bit about the main topic for today is about, you know, the Sharks captaincy, uh who’s likely to get it uh this next season and and you know, some insights from Boiler and what a locker room looks like and what makes a good leader. So, we’re really excited to get into that and before that we’ll get into some quick news and notes and I’ll turn it over to Shank for that. Yeah. Well, number one, the rookie faceoff roster was announced yesterday and a couple of the big names on there. I think the number one name that we expected to be on there and is on there and I think really just kind of it clinches that he’s going to be around because even though he still hasn’t signed his ELC, Michael Misa is on that rookie faceoff roster. Sam Dickinson is on it. A little bit of a surprise that Colin Graph is going too, he has 40 AHL games already, but maybe they want a little veteran leadership there. someone to um to someone who won’t play human centipede on a flight down there. Someone responsible like Colin Graph and also to an interesting name just for Sharks fans, Jake Stewart, the son of Brad Stewart. He is he is he’s going there too. And so that’s some of the the big names. Also Josh Ravensburgen. Um so a bunch of bunch bunch of the big uh big name prospects will be going down there. And so anyway um oh and I did want to add the one extra significance of Misa going. So, NCAA prospects don’t participate in this tournament. So, if there’s any thought that Michael is going to the NCAA, like I mentioned to you guys maybe two months ago now that there was no no interest that I had heard from Misa’s side to do that to go to college. And so, I think that this is just another sort of that’s not happening. So, just a matter of the ELC and finding the space for the Sharks to add that contract because like uh we explained last week in the podcast before we talked about the Kings for an hour that the Sharks are kind of up on up on on the contracts, 50 to50 contracts. So, they need to clear a couple of them before they can they can add Misa on there. But anyway, anybody have uh any any thoughts on just sort of this rookie faceoff roster and guys you’re looking you’re you’re looking out for? Yeah. Yeah. Shane, sorry, Keegan, I want to turn over to you and really curious on your prospect outlook of who you’re most excited about. Yeah. Uh, a couple of guys. So, I think the Quinta Musty is kind of like on the older side of this, right? So, he’s like an 05 born. Most of these guys are like 06s, 07s, and this is kind of the time when uh we’ve seen it in like past rookie faceoffs like Eklan takes over, Smith takes over. Guys that like you expect to have that like next step, they they really show their stuff. And I think it’s time for for Musty um to really to show it at this level because he’s probably the most experienced and uh one of the the highest caliber prospects that the Sharks have uh going to this tournament except for Misa and Cheshave and all that. So super excited to see what he does. I’m excited to see what what uh how she Wang does too because like it’s uh it’s kind of a step up, right? Like he’s facing the best prospects from across at least a couple different NHL teams. uh not just uh playing in the WHL. So, he’s it’s going to be kind of like putting your feet to the fire a little bit with him because he’s kind of raw and I’m just really curious to see how he does with those minutes. So, I’d say I’m looking out for those two in particular and then obviously Misa just cuz you know, second overall pick and shove and his uh connection with Misa. So probably those guys and I wanted to add on a guy like a musty to to Keegan’s point in tournament like this where he is older and this is his third one I believe you expect him to dominate not just enough for him to be good at tournament like this but he should he should take over and a final note on this tournament’s going to be September 12th through 14th in Irvine I will be there so hopefully I see some of you there and also just remembering back to last year didn’t look too hot last Well, he he he actually looked good in the rookie face off. It was when he uh joined training camp and scrimmages. That was that was the issue. So, he did he did well in the rookie face off. But again, these are all different levels which Dan can attest to, right? So, just there’s a development camp, there’s rookie face off, and then there’s actual NHL training camp is. So, there’s different tiers. And I’m gonna tell the listeners right now, I’m not gonna [ __ ] you and pretend like I know any of these most of these guys, right? Yeah, these three guys, you guys are the experts. I my part is just I’m going to give you my two cents for my angle, but the only guy that I the one guy that I you mentioned Shang was uh Colin Graph is one of the guys I mean what you said he played 40 games. Yeah, 40 games overall. Yeah, he he’s one of those guys that stood out to me last year when I was doing I did a little radio from this press box. I I I see I there’s there’s a lot more in there is what I’m trying to say. I think uh I’m not sure what pick he was. Does he He was a free agent. He was He was So there you go. See, I don’t know a lot of this [ __ ] but I think I think there I think there’s a lot more there uh for that guy. I think he’s uh Did they take a bigger step? Did they used to have these kind of things when you um were coming up like these like rookie face off kind of things? Not I don’t I never heard it put that way, but again, I was not drafted, so I didn’t get to participate in a lot of this stuff. Uh my when I signed with Florida, there was a rookie camp which I ended up missing because I was injured. Um but they would have rookie camp and then uh training camp. Um got nothing besides those two really. So yeah, it seems like they’ve kind of grown them every year. Like now every team has their own like rookie faceoff squad and they all like face off against each other. So I’m waiting for the time when the NHL like makes it a thing and then all 32 teams bring a rookie team. But that’s just my uh pie in the sky idea at some point. Well, Dan, I got to ask you since you bring it up, what do you think Colin Graph, what do you see his his ceiling or what can he be or what what do you like about him? I I just again um for me again I I played 18 years, not because I was big. I’m sure we’re going to talk about it. I wasn’t the fastest, the strongest, but I think I was pretty smart. And that’s what I like about his game. um his vision, uh pucks, pucks smart, if if that’s I don’t know if that’s a term that a term I like to use. And just work ethic. You’re going to hear me talk about this probably way too much. But there’s one thing you can control every night. Sometimes the puck’s going to bounce over your sick. Sometimes you’re going to be tired, sometimes you’re hurt, sometimes something. But you what you can control every single game, 82 games a year, is your work ethic. you bring you give everything you had. That’s what I believe I did for 18 years. I didn’t have 18 years. I didn’t have a thousand great games, but I worked my [ __ ] ass off every night. And I think that’s what from what I’ve seen he brings. Uh and I think uh I think the ceiling’s high with him. So I I I you know, maybe a second line. I could see him on the second line. Um getting a little more some offensive chances here hopefully and see what happens. All right. Dan Bole calling Graph Truthler. I love it. I like Colin, too. So, I don’t I don’t know anything about him. I didn’t know he wasn’t I didn’t know he wasn’t drafted. And like I said, the fans, I’m not one of those guys that’s gonna, you know, that’s what you guys are here for. I’m just going to tell you what I see. And yeah, that’s just my opinion. Undrafted, see their own. Yeah, the uh undrafted see their own. That’s good. The Sharks, like amateur and pro skate, they pick up these guys and he’s just one of them. that it was good that like a lot of teams were like seeking out him out of college and Sharks got him. So, just speaks to them um being not a like destination city yet, but like they have a lot of opportunities. So, yeah, there you go. Pulling pulling some guys that there’s a lot of opportunity when you’re last. And I will say I will I will say this while we’re on the subject because I don’t think we’ll talk about this very much. One of the most underrated positions in all of hockey is scouting. Okay, we talk about players, we talk about the coaches, we talk about the GM, hell, even talk about the freaking trainers. Yeah. If you don’t have the right scouts picking up the Colin Graphs and I’m going to date myself, but the Marty St. Louis and some of these undrafted players, if you can’t find those guys, Joe Pavvelskis in the late round, oh yeah, you have to have scouts that know what the [ __ ] they’re doing. They have to have they have to have an eye for the game and certain players and you know some of them are old school some are like well is he 6’5 does he have a reach this big what can he bench like that doesn’t mean anything to me it’s I I would need to see a player see what he does on the ice would need to know what his teammates think of him I would need to you know there’s a lot more going on there but scouts are scouts are very underappreciated and underrated part of building not just a hockey team but any sports team I couldn’t agree more. Last week we had a guest on and um he was talking about bringing the analogy on the Kings rebuild to the Sharks and one of the five points that he made that I thought was a really good one is if you want to be successful you need to have some deep drafts that hit for any successful organization and you need to have those deep rounders, the undrafted that really hit and um you know like you said at the Joe Pavvelskis like you don’t get a turnaround just by hitting on your top picks. You need to have a couple deep absolutely absolutely and there’s there’s every team’s got them. It’s just I think the teams that do well will tend to, don’t get me wrong, if you have like Chicago had like three freaking first rounders in a row, of course you’re going to turn it around, but um you know, the teams that can maintain and do well year after year, they’re going to have to have some late picks. They’re going to have to like come through like you said. But yeah, and to that point, Dan, I mean Chicago, they they hit late, too, though. I mean, every team does if you’re that successful. Duncan Keith was a second round pick, just for example. You can name guys like Dustin Bufflin came later, I think, right? So anyway, yeah, you’re right. You’re right. Bolan. Bolan was on their fourth line with Buffalo. Like they had some guys. Andrew Lad. Yeah, they had some Zubar. Zubar, stop talking about other teams too much. We’re Chicago Hockey Now podcast. All right. All right. Any more news for this before we get to our main topic? Yeah. Well, let’s Yeah. very uh uh briefly actually I’m sure this is a topic that makes Dan fall asleep. Uh the more details about the CBA came out um the N the new NHL Angela CBA. So I just wanted to run through a couple of the kind of the major highlights from it and a couple things that are very very relevant to the Sharks right now. So just very very briefly uh run through it before we talk about the captaincy the Sharks and the captaincy and no captain with with Dan Bole here. But anyway, so number one, the regular season will begin next year. It’s going to begin in late September. Uh, and the cup will be awarded in mid June, so that’ll be pretty early. The preseason will be shortened to, I think, four games. And the regular season will be extended to 84 games. So that’s a call back to the mid 90s when they did when they did that. Um, this is not relevant to the Sharks at all. Uh, teams won’t be able to manipulate LTI for the playoffs as much as they’ve been able to. So, um, for example, this there’s actually a lot of different details to it, so I don’t want to get all into it. And like I said, not relevant to the Sharks, but the 2026 playoffs will be played with teams limited to icing a 20man roster that is cap compliant. That’s a big deal because over the last few years, you’ve seen teams like Tampa, like Vegas. Uh, basically, they’ve been able to, you know, you can say they’ve been hiding them on purpose or whatever, but they’ve been able to basically fill teams in the playoffs because in the playoffs, there is no cap limit. uh high players during a regular season and all of a sudden um hey uh Nikita Cutro he’s healthy he can play now and you add a $10 million player in the we’re looking at you Mark Snow Mark Stone Mark Stone all right that’s Bear’s cut off limit right there so anyway um beginning with and next next thing u beginning with the in the 202627 season players who have zero games of NHL experience will be required to wear neck protection so that’s going to be a grandfathered in thing. Uh so a guy like Mlin Britney who obviously has already played he won’t have to wear one but if you are um DuPont for example that’s that’s a big prospect for that season. A guy like that uh he’s going to have to wear neck protections. Basically the young guys coming in. Uh this one is interesting. I wonder how this is going to evolve. Teams will have a traveling permanent ebug in 2026 27. So Dan just a guy that can add on ebug emergency goalie. Oh [ __ ] I didn’t even know what you’re talking about. I’m like, is this a bug? Yeah. Is this a tech term? Yes, it’s a Silicon Valley term. Every every team will have an emergency goalie travel with them. Traveling. Yes. So, that that’ll be interesting. Yeah, I’ll try to hang out. And is he uh like salary or Yeah, I think he’s paid. I don’t think he’ll kind of get a cap. I don’t believe he won’t it won’t be a major salary. They have limits on how experienced his ebug can be. So, you can’t pull like Martin Jones out of retirement to be your ebug. or somebody ridiculous. So, I think it’s like under 40 professional games of experience or something like that. I don’t know. There’s there’s limits to make sure that no one cheats that by basically adding a legitimate like I saw a couple goalie from the threeon-ree thing where Zubar was playing. Yeah. I got to get my glove hand ready, man. Yeah, exactly right. I saw a couple goalies. Yeah. You’re just going to be able to sit on the plane and hang with the boys and probably not play. So, that sounds actually pretty good job. Pretty nice gig. Yeah. Yeah. Okay. So, here are a couple CBA things that are applicable to the Sharks, and I’ll throw it to you guys in a second, uh, just to see if you guys have any thoughts on it. So, uh, this was I mentioned this a couple weeks ago, and I made a mistake on this. So, maximum contracts for players will be changed from eight years to seven years. But, and this is important to the Sharks, this rule doesn’t go into effect until September 16th of next year, September 16th, 2026. So, uh, Mlin Celbury, for example, he’s eligible for extension on July 1st. Will Smith, too. So, he the both of these guys are will still be eligible for eight-year contracts. And finally, and this one is not set yet, and this is actually a very, very big deal to the to the Sharks. The AHL and AHLPA, they want to allow 19 year olds to play in the AHL as soon as this season, but this is pending AHL CHL agreement, and I’m going to guess the AHL is okay with that. So you can guess who is pushing back against this. It’s a CHL. So the rule will be that each team can have one CHL 19year-old in the AHL. And it was thought originally that this rule will be instituted for the next season with when most of the CBA changes happen. But the AHL AHLPA is pushing for this happen this year. We’ll see what happens uh if this happens or not. Obviously for the Sharks, this is it would be great to have the option. This changes the whole conversation about Sam Dickinson. If you have the option of placing Sam Dickinson in the AHL fulltime, I like the beer being cracked open as I talk. So, Sam Dickson HL fulltime. Uh, instead of right now, his only options are the NHL or CHL. So, anyway, I don’t know if anyone has any thoughts on that or we just move on. So, but I think we need a ticker. So, you got to check. I think they latest thing I I heard from Oh, I don’t remember who it was. one of the big wigs that that is on Twitter and all that stuff that reports stuff. The Elliott Freeman’s if you will. Uh I think they said that this is probably going to happen next year. I think that was the the the update from today was that the AHL CHL 19year-old agreement is probably going to be next year rather than this year. So I think the Sam Dickson and the AHL dream might be dead and he might just have to play in the NHL. So Sam Dickson Dan is is one of the prospects for the Shark. No, I I know who he is, but I I I’m I’m trying to I’m trying to You don’t talk to Dan like he’s 10 years old. All right. No, no, no, no. It’s it’s it’s fair. Some of them I might not know him. No, him I do uh offensive defense team, but why I’m confused. Why Why wouldn’t he be able to play as a 19-year-old in the minor? Or is it because you’re going to burn a year? It’s because of the CHL agreement. So, when you play in the CHL, they won’t they they can’t basically you have to either play in the NHL or go back to the CHL at 19 years old. you can’t play. So, a 19-year-old cannot play in the AHL if you come from the CHL from your primary like drafted year. So, it’s it’s if you play Yeah. It’s kind of a it’s a strange thing. The CHL has had it for a long time to keep So, if a 19-year-old almost makes a team doesn’t they can’t send him to the They have to send him back to the CHL. And that happens all the time. And that’s why it’s come become like a big thing at the CBA because I did not know that. Yeah. Because all the NHL teams are like, “What the hell? This guy’s like really close. He doesn’t need to go back to juniors. Absolutely. Okay. I didn’t know that. Okay. Yeah. So, now it’s gonna hopefully starting next year, you can pick one guy to be like, “This guy’s super close. Let’s just Okay. Gotcha. Okay. Got it. Okay. I I didn’t know that. Yeah. It’s it’s kind of been like a sticking point for a couple years. It’s just dumb. Basically, it’s just like uh you know, the CHL wants to keep their their good talent for as long as possible. Right. Right. Right. Right. Yeah. and and Sam’s kind of in that that mold where like last year he had like 90 points in 50 games or whatever. Yeah. He’s not CHL defenseman of the year. Yeah. He’s too good for the Yeah. So, he’s got nothing left to prove down there and he may not be good enough to play for the Sharks. I don’t know. I haven’t seen him play yet. Yeah. Yeah. He’s one of those guys that need to play. You need to play against better competition. Exactly. So, we’re hopeful that some way the Sharks work it out. They’ve uh they did the same thing with Shane Wright, which was a a highly drafted prospect a couple years ago where he played a few games for Seattle, then he played a conditioning stint for the AHL, then he played World Juniors, and then he went back to the CHL. So, he kind of went everywhere to try and get some better competition cuz and that was my understanding that that would have been the plan for the that would be the plan for the Sharks if Sam isn’t quite good enough for the NHL that they would basically give him his nine games um in the NHL. space it out and then send them down to the AHL for a conditioning assignment and then kind of basically play out the time, get to World Roy World Championships, get them I’m sorry, World Junior Championships and then send them back to to London um around early January. So that I so that could still happen if this rule doesn’t go through. But anyway, that’s sort of sort of the thought. But anyway though, well, let me let me let me let me let me let me put you three on the spot right now so the Shark fans can eventually go see Keegan’s right or Zubar’s right or Zubar’s [ __ ] Who out of you three I’m gonna ask Zubar is is he going to be on the team this year? Yes or no? I think Dickinson’s on the team this year. Yes. Okay. Shank Pang, yes or no? Uh not fulltime. I think that they are Well, I’m saying north of 10 games like Yeah, that’s what I mean. That’s what I mean. Full time is basically once he’s passed on north of 10 games, his contract will burn. Do you think it will be north of 10 games? No, I don’t. I don’t think you don’t. And then Keegan, yes or no? Yes. I’m going to go with north of 10. Okay, we got two yeses and a no. Yeah, there’ll be more of these this year. See who’s see who knows what they’re talking about. See who doesn’t. Shag’s gonna be right. Last time you put a gun to my head, someone said Matchbox 20. So, we’ll just leave it at that. That’s That was hilarious, by the way. That’s an inside joke, people. It’s an inside joke. Can we talk Can we talk about it without like uh So, we were out the other night. We were Yeah, we were out the other night. I won’t share too much, but I said, “Gun your head to someone. You have to You can watch. You can only see one band blah blah blah. I don’t know. You got a gun in your head. You got to decide right now. You got to decide right now. Pressure’s on. Who’s playing? Olympic. Matchbox 20. Matchbox 20. And I go, “Holy fuck.” Pull the trigger. You are sick. You said Matchbox. Somebody said Matchbox 20 with a gun to their head and just started breaking out into it’s 3:00 a.m. I was like, of all like of all the answers, a lot of bands, man. Matchbox was at like a billion to one. Bands that start with the name with the name M. I mean I can think of other bands too but like Muse or whatever. It could have been anything but Matchbox Millennium was probably was a billion to one maybe a trillion. In defense of this person Dan Bole with a finger gun is very intimidating. Gun your head now. Go 20. 20. What in the [ __ ] is wrong with you? Have you seen him in Sonic? Have you seen Josh? Don’t mess them up. Was that movie, you know? But anyways, okay. So, we got we got two. He’s going to make it north of 10 games. We got one. No, I have no comment because I literally don’t know the kid. That’s what I was gonna say though that um when I when I’m traveling, we got to get a Zoo Bear. Go over to Dan’s house, watch some exhibition games with Dan, watch Dickinson, drink some drink some beer, record it. I I heard I I I heard he’s an offensive defenseman. Obviously, he’s got a 10 point. So, we got to hear we we got to hear that. And Luca Kagoni. We’re gonna do both. Yeah. him. Him him I was I again I did like five radio and TV games last year and he was I was told to keep an eye on him because he was undersized but like really undersized. I was at least 51 510 and a half. He’s like 57. He’s 5’8, 5’9 maybe. Short versus short crime. Um so um so yeah I kept an eye on him. obviously can skate, you know, smart, but when you He’s got the hockey IQ. Let’s not give it away. Let’s let’s that’s that’s what that’s what you need. And and I think for me and as a small player, too, I need to see more repetitions. I need to see more games. I need to see how he’s going to do uh over a long, you know, seeing him for 10 games isn’t gonna make up my mind. I need to see a full season before I would Yeah, Dan, you’re kind of not infamous, but like if you to some fans, if you’re like, “Oh, Luca Canon, he’s never gonna make it.” They’re like, “No, he’s the next Dan Bole.” Like, I mean, hopefully that’s a good thing. I mean, uh, again, I I uh I I hope so. I I love my career. I I I think I’m I would be proud to, you know, if I So, we’ll see. Um, but uh and small players do make it. I think that’s the other thing people say the odds are against it, but small players make it. It Well, like you said, hockey hockey IQ has to be up there. Work ethic has to be there and then it’s just going to be a matter of him, you know, calming the nerves. It takes a little bit. It takes It takes sometimes it takes five games, 10 games. Sometimes guys it takes 40 games. But um once he can learn to make plays under pressure, avoid getting hit. Like you said, today’s game, you know, smaller players aren’t as affected or frowned upon, unlike when I played 20ome years ago where defenseman under 510 when I broke in the league in 98, I think there were under 510, I think there were four in the whole league. Who who were they? Do you remember who they were? Um, Brian Leech I think was 510. Okay. Well, Brian Lee is special. Oh, Rafalski. What about Rafolks? Was he Rafals? Rafolski and I came in at the same time, but uh, Zub might be 510. And then there was a guy named uh, uh, Sweeney in Boston. Is it Don Don Don Sweeny, the Boston GM? He was Yeah, I think I think he was south or short of 510. Yeah. And I’m forgetting the fourth, but then me and Rafalski kind of came in a little bit after that, but I remember at one point there were four now. Yeah. Last last NHL draft, there were no defenseman drafted under six foot at all in the whole draft. In the whole draft, there were no defenseman drafted under six foot. Seriously? Yes. It’s It’s absolutely It’s going back the other way. Like five years ago, it was like more more smaller players were being drafted, forwards and defenseman, but it seems like the pendulum is swinging the other way again. So, and I’ll be the first to say you can’t have six guys that are five, seven, five. I’m not I’m saying there’s room for one or two, but you need it’s a big sport. You need your big guys. Everybody plays their role, but there is room for a small defenseman, maybe two on your team. I just want to add so I don’t get a angry call from Brian Leech. He is six foot. So, whoa. Okay. Well, that’s what it says on the program, but six foot with skates. I was I was afro I was 5’11. Uhhuh. So, it’s my favorite thing in hockey. You know, when you’re in the Hall of Fame, you can you can cheat a couple. You can round up. He was my favorite. He was my favorite defenseman. So, uh Oh, yeah. Maybe maybe he was six feet, but at the time, I think he might have been 5’10”, 5’11, but Okay, I trust you. You You saw him face to face. So, there was one guy who was like 5’11 and three/4ers, Cameron Reed, who was a firstrounder this past year. So, I guess I don’t know. They rounded up on some sides, so technically. Yeah. And yeah, like you said, everybody cheats on the on the side. I I got on my tippy toes my first training camp. I uh I just gave it I gave it a little lift and they gave me 5’11. But I’m 5’7 and 3/4, but on my on my my my Bumble and Hinge profile, I’m 5’8. Come on. Come on. It’s quarter inch. I’m rounding up. You know how how tall can Lane Hudson really be? And he just won the call there. I got to stand next to that, too, because that dude’s like 5’8, right? So like I’m or not. Exactly. Yeah. No, there’s there’s room. There’s definitely room for sure. So, Shangers, back to you. Anything else on the CBA? H as I’m drinking out of my teacup. Uh, no. All right. I think that’s it. So, let’s let’s talk about the Sharks and their captaincy situation. Yeah. Yeah. Let’s do it. So, um let’s get to the main topic today, which is the the Sharks captaincy. And obviously uh in the closeout interview with Mike Greer last uh season um you know Grew said he’s more than okay going through the season without a captain next year and that’s sort of the topic for discussion today and um so let’s just get right into it. Um what’s a room like without a captain? Um I think we talked about this the other day off camerara or whatever and I didn’t realize that I think I we had one year uh in San Yeah. when you got traded to Tampa. Yeah. So, um, wait, when I got traded to T I didn’t get Yeah, when you got traded when you got traded to Tampa or Tampa picked you up. Uh, Tampa didn’t have a captain during that half. Oh, my that’s what it was. My first year in Tampa. That’s right. That’s right. Vinnie wasn’t the captain yet, so I didn’t remember that. Uh, but we I was I think I remember saying Anderchuk was there and although he may not have had a C on his sweater, um, he was pretty much the captain. Um, I I think I talked about this with you guys. I think a captain needs to have certain attributes. Doesn’t need to be the best player. Um, the main thing for me has to be the hardest working player. I think if your captain’s not your hardest working player, how can you expect guys to follow him? Um, so I think a captain needs to be your hardest worker. I think your captain needs to be a glue guy. Some of that’s off the ice stuff. That’s taking care of the young guys. Um, glue guy is what I call it. Somebody that, you know, can can bring the boys in, take care of the boys. And the last thing is needs to be the communication between the the coach and the players in. needs to sometimes uh you know yell scream at the boys kind of going along with the coaches and kind of like hey [ __ ] boys let’s wake the [ __ ] up we need to like whatever but at times I think what I’ve seen especially with Anderchuck with Tortoella it’s the other way around a captain needs to step up for his team and he needs to go toe-to-toe with the coach sometimes because believe it or not Sharks fans coaches don’t know everything. They think they do, but they don’t. And sometimes the captain needs to be kind of that person. You want you don’t want to have the whole team going against the coach. That’s not healthy. But if you can have one person, sometimes the assistants will go in there. Balance that fine line. It’s just it’s just walking. We got you. Hold on. Oh no, I got cancelled. Um, it was a human centipede story. It was gonna happen. Yeah. No, I think you better listen. I I I think Yeah, I think you got to walk that fine line between being one of the boys, being hard on the boys, being that, you know, and uh I think that’s what a captain needs to do. And I’m sure there’s a lot of little other things. Um, you have to have earned it as well. I don’t believe, although Shang will tell me otherwise, there’s been some 19-year-old captains, 20-y old captains in the league before. Yeah, I’m not a strong supporter of that. I think you need to earn your stripes. You need to have played x amount of games. You need to have gone through some playoff runs. you know, what does a 19-year-old rookie know about where the wives need to sit during the playoffs or if we need to go in two days early in Minnesota because it’s cold or it’s the the you know the the rank is like a rookie won’t know this this type of [ __ ] and that’s why I think somebody has to have played in the league for a certain amount of years, have a certain amount of games under their belt, experience, and then that person I think can be named the captain. Yeah. Yeah, we’ll talk about that in a little bit. There’s definitely the the thought of Min Celbury being named captain, but let’s save that though. So, Zubar, you you were about to ask something. Yeah. Yeah. So, a couple of questions. I mean, you’ve obviously played with a lot of great captains. Um, and and and and it you kind of are referring to like Andrew Chuck kind of standing out. Could you tell us a little bit about his captaincy and what stood out to you? Yeah, he and he was a here’s a fourthline guy, right? Andy was probably 39 when I got there. He played, you know, 39, 40. So, he was at the tail end of his career, but hardest working player. Wasn’t the best player. Worked his ass off, right? I mean, we all did, but like he worked his ass off. Great glue guy. Was on the road, could be with one of the boys, great storyteller, back, you know, in on the plane, just great. But if we didn’t play well, Andy would step up and we would listen. But we had the dynamic in Tampa where we had a coach and John Tordella it was [ __ ] tough and there were days where Tors would come in just let us have it and then he would shut the door and go [ __ ] him and it it like brought the team together so he knew he could walk that line where he could be our buddy but he could also let us know hey we need to get our asses in gear and that’s not to say there weren’t other captains that I played for But having won the cup, that’s going to happen. You’re going to have favor that experience. And I was younger, right? When I was in San Jose, I was a little bit older. Went through, I think, three different captains, but it wasn’t as important to me as a as a 30-year-old player that had been in the league as it was when I was upcoming and young. I think a captain is a big responsibility with the young players. Um whereas I don’t think a captain will play a huge role in a guy that’s established coming in at 30. He will play a role for sure, but I don’t think it’s as important. Wanted to mention about Andrachuk. One of the reasons why I think he was a guy that could stand up to a Tortoella is you mentioned that he was a fourth liner but and one of the hardest workers, but he also was at a certain point in his career, he was a 50 goal scorer. He’s a Hall of Famer, right? He’s a Hawk Hall of Famer. So Jackie definitely gave him a lot more cache. But anyway, I was wondering though, Dan, um any kind of classic stories that you can remember about Andrew Chuck and Totoella and just Dave standing up to to him. I I I I I don’t remember which game. I remember one in particular and it’s nothing that jumps. I can’t tell you what the team was. I remember Tors came in and just like lit us up and he shut the door and he said, “Fuck him.” like [ __ ] Torrs. Like [ __ ] that guy. And it was just like it was amazing. And I mean I think Tors coached that way too a little bit. I think he knew what he was doing and firing us up, but it brought the team together. And uh so that’s the one story. It’s not a specific story. I don’t remember what game it was. Um but I just remember that was who Andy was. And uh again here he was a Hall of Famer. He’s had how many, you know, 50 goal seasons and all these accolades and he’s at the back of the plane at the back of the bus playing cards with us talking [ __ ] with like 22 year old kids back there. It was awesome. He was great and uh he was uh he was a he was a perfect captain. That dynamic is interesting because like Tors obviously still has a coach career now like 20 years later, right? Like there’s something to be said about that kind of style of, you know, if they hate him, they can’t hate each other kind of thing. Like you’re all bonding together kind of thing. Yeah. There’s there’s different coaching methods, right? There’s coaches that want you to play for them. I’m going to go through a wall for this guy. Yeah. And I I mean maybe he’s evolved. I mean, uh but it was more of like he wanted the guy he wanted guys to play in spite of him. Like [ __ ] that guy. I’ll show him. Yeah. Which worked. I mean, it works, right? I mean, uh, who’s to say we got a Stanley Cup that says it does work. It’s just it’s hard. Not every player can play through or for a coach like that. You have to be you have to have very thick skin. You have to have a lot of confidence in yourself and you have to you have to have a good united team because it it can create some friction. And obviously we won a cup because we came together, you know, in spite of him, but it was a lot of it was probably something he was trying to do, right? Years later, I kind of realized after I was retired, I was like, “Okay, I think I think he was trying to do that or do that. I get it now.” But I didn’t get it at that then. That’s brilliant. I love it. And and you know what’s interesting too I find in in all of what you were talking about in terms of of a good captain is you really talk a lot about the off ice stuff and I think a lot of fans are like going to go talk to the rafts what’s on the ice. Yeah. But you really are referring to a lot of like hey like travel planning and bringing the boys together. Yeah. There’s a lot of [ __ ] I mean, rookies, you know, making sure they’re okay, but it’s it’s the stupid [ __ ] like I just like I this one keeps coming to my mind, but like you know, where do the wives go in the wives room? Is there alcohol in there? Is there not? Are they allowed to come on the road? Are they not? Can like just [ __ ] that like you just shouldn’t have to worry about. a good captain and a good leadership group. we’ll take care of that with the coaches and uh you know we with the new well the new CDA the CDA that I went through we ended up getting uh days off which was a huge for us right so now they’re mandatory days off I don’t know if they’re still in the same same CDA now but uh back then a coach could we could land at 3:00 a.m. I’m going to go back to Minnesota again or Buffalo and he could have a nine o’clock practice if he wanted to back when I started. Now they can’t do that anymore. That’s where a captain’s got to step up and say, “Fuck no, we’re not we’re not doing that.” And I think that’s where Andy back in the day too was very good at having a good pulse and sticking up for us. It was all he was great. And that brings up a really good point, too, about the experience. I just can’t see a 19-year-old and 18-year-old, you know, standing up to a coach or leadership. You can’t. And I know Shang’s gonna have his his his points for pro Mlin. I think, by the way, by the way, I think I think I think Mlin I think Mlin was amazing. I I think not just because he was first overall. Like he was everything I had hoped he was. He’s very smart. That’s my biggest thing with a player. Work ethic and hockey IQ. He was amazing. I think I don’t know him as a person so I can’t vouch for that but as a player absolutely he will have a C one day. I just don’t think it’s today. I think it’s too soon. I think he needs to get experience of going through some hockey seasons. He needs to go through the experience of playing in the playoffs and then see I think there needs to be some experience there. I wanted to ask just in general though the experience of not having a captain. the Sharks the last couple of years. Loen Couture has been the captain in name, but obviously he hasn’t been around a lot. So anyway, when you have just alternate captains like the Sharks have had, is there a sense when you’re going through a rough patch in a game that no maybe nobody knows whose turn it is to speak up kind of that kind of feeling possibly happening? Yeah, I I think if you have I think there’s going to be a leadership core no matter what, whether you put an a letter on them now. We you have your tofully, you have your Mario, you know, you’ve got guys that I think, and again, I’m not on the team. I I’m speaking from somebody who watches from the nosebleleeds, right? Um those guys seem to me like two guys that could step up and talk when they need to. Uh, the other thing that I didn’t mention was, you know, if you’re going to name a captain, ideally you want him to be in your plans for the next couple years. You don’t want to be naming captains every two or three years. So, Right. Right. So, maybe not. So, you know, Mario, who I, you know, love watching. I love his work ethic. Um, but where does he fit in two years from now, three years from now? Only, you know, the GM and the assistant GMs and the owners know that. I don’t know what that plan is for him, but you know, he seems to fit the mold from from the uh from the nosebleleeds, but you know, you don’t want to name a captain every two years ideally. Yeah, that’s that makes sense. And and how about we talked a little bit about the off ice and a little bit about the on ice, but can you expand a little bit on the on ice? Like what’s the ideal captain with captains that you’ve played with that exemplify leadership on the ice? What does that look like? I I I I think it’s work ethic. Again, I’ll go back to when I started again. For me, captains when I was younger were more important to me than, you know, that’s not to say Joe and Patty weren’t or Mcdana my last year. It’s just for me, I remember Scott Melby was my first captain in Florida. Um, I grew up as a Flyers fan, so I was kind of a little starruck, but uh, again, hardest worker on the ice. Was he our best player? No. But just set the tone, work ethic, and doesn’t mean he was the fastest. Andy was certainly not the fastest, but we would do these Tortoella like laps and Andy had a hard time getting around the ice, but he worked hard. He worked hard. So on the ice, I think work ethic is [ __ ] huge. And I’ve already said it, but that’s going to be the word of the day every time. Work ethic. We everyone has to shotgun a tequila or something. But um um yeah, I I think on ice work ethic is huge. and uh and knowing when to have a voice. So, yeah, two questions in one. Should the Sharks name a captain? And if so, who do you think would be a good idea if you had to choose? So, I don’t know what the plan is for Mario. I again, and I don’t I’m not in the locker room, so that’s where I I’m I struggle in talking about it because I feel like the locker room will know a lot more than I do. You know, I used to we used to I used to be in that locker room and there would be the Shangpang saying, “Well, so and so should and Shenping doesn’t know anything. He’s not in the locker room. Why am I the target? Sitting here drinking my my I know. I’m just I’m just [ __ ] I’m just [ __ ] with you. I’m just messing with you. I’m messing with you.” Um I I I don’t know Tyler Tulloy. I don’t know. I I don’t know what kind of You know, seemed like he had a good connection with the young guys. Uh you know, is he the hardest working player out there? I don’t know any of these teams. So, I I think Mario and Tofolia are the two names that come to mind for me, of course. Uh and then who’s the kid that just came back from uh uh not he’s not a kid anymore, but he was with San Jose, left with New York, scored a big goal. Oh, yeah. That’s actually what I was going to mention. Uh that our little birdie may have said uh Barkley Goodro is another one. I don’t know him, but um you know, seems like he works hard. Does he does he have the respect of the room? Uh these are the questions that I I don’t have the answers to, but those are the three guys that if they just went with assistance with those three guys. I think that’s okay. And then you give Mlin another year under his belt. Um see where we are next year and then you go from there. I I I don’t I don’t like giving it to him this year. I think it’s too early and I don’t think it’s the right move. I did want to ask you about how tough it is for a kid to be a captain and it’s a different player, different experience, but the year before you came to Tampa, the Lightning had named Vinnie Lavalier. He was a 20-year-old uh to be the captain um be before that. And so anyway, just in general for for a kid, and I think you alluded to it a little bit already, but just that this, you know, it could be Mlin, it could be anybody, right? um that they don’t have that experience sort of sort of saying f you to the coach or even the details of of of that sort of thing of just the where the wives will sit and that sort of thing. And so so with with Mlin then when do you think maybe then is the right time for him then? Like if not this year, next year. I I I I no I definitely I I don’t think this year for sure. And I’m even I’m even hesitant to say the following year. M uh but I would say by year four uh I think he’ll have 80, you know, 200 plus games under his belt. Hopefully maybe a playoff or two playoff series or two under his belt. I think I think three years, you know, and and back to your reference, Vinnie got the seat taken off, right? Yeah. Correct me if I’m wrong. Yeah. So it just it’s just it’s added pressure that I don’t think a kid, and he’s a kid Yeah. needs. It’s it’s added pressure that, you know, he doesn’t need and uh he will be a captain one day. I I I I think it’s I think it’s too soon. So, I would say I would say you’re four. And I just want to say for the record, so on the for the record part, that I do not endorse Mlin being the captain next year. I only cite past examples because there are past examples of Sydney Crosby being named as a 19-year-old. And obviously Sydney had no issue in his career being the captain for so long. But um but in general though, the Sharks have seemed very conscious of being careful of putting too much weight on Mlin, which I think is the right thing to do. As good as Mlin is, he’s just 18. He’s just a kid. And also say real quick about Sydney is like he had Mario Lemieux at like his wing, right? Like Well, he’s first year. Yeah. First couple years and then Mario retired. Yeah. You got Mario, you got Jagger. You had a lot of different I don’t know if Ron Francis was there. No, Joerger and Francis weren’t there anymore. Yeah. No, they were But it’s still he had some some cast there at least a little bit. Yeah. Yeah. I ne my next question then for you Dan then in terms of the composition of a leadership room and the general idea that I’ve sort of understood when you’re kind of putting together a room is that you want different types of players. You want you know maybe it can be a let’s say you have a captain and and three or four alternates. You want a star in one of these roles. You want a grinder. You want a defenseman. You don’t want uh your leadership room comprised of say four stars or four forwards or something something like that, right? And so anyway, can you speak to that? Just the different kind of compositions of types. Yeah, I I I like a mixture of players. Um I’ll use myself and Joe Thornton as an example. Um I was you can’t have four of me. I’m I was you know like I you know I was very And you got a human centipede. Yeah it’s a human centipede on the plane. Yeah. I mean I was intense. I I I didn’t I I I I just kind of you know and and I think you need guys like me. I I think you do. But you need a balance. And I think Joe was a little bit more let’s get them to you know let’s and I I think that’s great as well but I think there needs to be a balance right. So that was a good balance of two guys that were both pretty decent hockey players but you know approached things differently, reacted differently and and I think that’s what you need is a mixture of of that. You need the intense person. Uh you need somebody that’s going to be vocal. I didn’t like to speak in front of a whole locker room. I like to take guys, you know, Matt Irwin, Jason Demerse, some of the younger guys one-on-one, give them my two cents if they wanted to hear it, which, you know, hopefully they did. And I was more comfortable with that versus So, you need somebody that can be open to talking from the locker room. You don’t necessarily need a letter for that, but ideally, you want a guy that’s earned his stripes to talk so can talk in front of everyone. You know, the media thing, it’s a minor thing, but some guys don’t like to do it. Uh, that was not a problem for me. Uh, I didn’t mind. I just I I told it as I saw it as it was. Some guys didn’t want to reveal as much and gave you a little bit more of the uh the cliches. Um, I just wasn’t a fan of that. So, and then as far as like on the ice, it’s a little more tactical, but you know, you don’t want, like you said, you don’t want three letters on your top line and then you got nobody on your second, third, fourth line. You want to try to have someone on the ice represented all the time. very minor, but um you know, you want to try to have somebody on the ice at all times where there’s going to be somebody that’s going to talk to the ref because and the refs, no offense, but you know, Mlin might be again going I’m picking on Mlin now, but uh yeah, pick on Mlin. Don’t pick up, you know, like Mlin might say some of the ref and some of these refs have egos and they’ll be like you’re [ __ ] 19 kid like don’t [ __ ] talk to me about that and they’re not going to respect him. Not that they don’t think he’s a great player, a very good player. He’s a [ __ ] great player. He’s amazing. But are they going to listen to 19 or 20 year old kid telling them [ __ ] refer? No, they won’t. But if it’s somebody like, you know, Patty Marlo who’s got a billion games, you know, or Pavvelski or, you know, who they will, you’ve earned. It’s about earning it, right? Like, yeah, they will listen to you. I remember the way refs listened to me when I was 21, 22, they didn’t give a [ __ ] [ __ ] But as I got better, after I won a cup, after I won a gold medal, after I had six, seven, 800 games under my belt, referees were much, much kinder than me, much more respectful. So, that’s something that you also need as far as naming assistants and captains. You want to have somebody that’s going to have the referee’s respect. And you kind of alluded to this, but uh one of the types of leaders that you think is important is the guy who’s comfortable to who will step up in the room and talk. And obviously Andrew Tuck is a guy that was very comfortable with that in his career, right? and a younger player like sorry Mlin uh may not be quite ready for that yet and and reminds me of actually a story that you told us that I think is is is good to retell here. So uh can you tell us about a younger player in the room that sometimes talked when maybe he shouldn’t have and you just actually just alluded to him. So no you talking about Jason Demerse? Yes I am. I love I love I love J I love JD. He was a great uh great kid. He’s not a kid anymore, but uh you know, he’s just he’s a great guy, but you know, he uh he had a mouth and you know, he uh he would talk sometimes and which is great. Uh but you know, sometimes if Ryan Clo is having a bad day or something, shut the [ __ ] up, JD. You know, so that’s not to say young guys can’t talk because you can’t. It’s just there’s there’s a little bit of uh I don’t know, man. You got to earn your stripes a little bit sometimes. Yeah. But I love JD. Well, JD be like, “Hey, got to get it going, boys.” What what the [ __ ] was that period? Yeah. Yeah. I don’t know. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. And and and I can’t think of one particular example. It was more of just a generalization of him saying something and somebody saying, “Shut the [ __ ] up.” So, that’s the name of our podcast. That’s the name of our podcast. Shut the [ __ ] up. JD to come back, right? He’s already been on it once. Exactly. But no, that’s great. You want certainly you want to have you want to have a room, man. Ideally, and when I say I’m intense and like Yeah, I was I was pretty I mean I was pretty calm. Like I I didn’t I watched I had a coffee. I watched East Coast games. I was I was very calm. I just uh I want you want to have a room where guys should be free to speak that you want guys to feel um like they belong. You don’t want you don’t you want to make it as comfortable as possible for everyone. It’s just that fine line where if it goes a little bit too far one way, it becomes use example like the Harlem Globe Trotters or like it just becomes too like you there needs to be a little bit of a shift of like I remember Todd Mlullen, sorry if I’m taking over this whole hour here, but no. Um, you know, I I came from Tampa where it was very strict and um, you know, the locker room was kind of locker room or whatever. And and I remember when we got to San Jose, Todd the first day, I remember he said, “I want this locker room to be your second home.” He said, “If you have kids, I want to see them here.” I remember him saying, “If your kids are chewing gum, I want them.” He said something like, “I want to see gum on the floor.” Or something. He said something about gum on the floor like meaning like he wanted like a a family environment in the locker room and I had never heard that. That’s interesting. Yeah. Okay. Um I didn’t have kids when I was in Tampa. So for me it was like a breath of like almost like fresh air. Like this is pretty [ __ ] cool. Um you know unfortunately I had two girls that didn’t really want to come around but a lot of the guys would bring their kids in. Uh it made it a place where guys wanted to be. And I think um I think coaches have a big say in that, but your captain and your leadership group will also have a say in that. You you want you’re there for freaking nine months a year. You want to make it be a place that you’re going to you’re going to enjoy. And obviously winning games is going to be a big part of that, but um you know, you want to make it fun. You want to make it fun environment while at the same time working your ass off. Yeah, that actually uh reminds me I I wonder who instituted that with the Sharks. Was it a Ron Wilson uh the coach before Todd or was it a Doug Wilson? Because even after Todd left, Peter Dbor, you would see Nathan Pavvelski, Joe’s son, there all the time. You would see Brent Burns and his kids would be there. Uh Joe Thornton’s kids would so and all that during practices and whatnot. So, I wonder if that was part of the the Shark sort of mystique or what worked for the Sharks even if it didn’t lead to the ultimate success. But yeah, I I I know Todd for sure again and the game evolves, right? I mean, coaches evolve, games evolve. Um, who knows, maybe the Stanley Cup winning team that year did that with their, you know what I mean? Then, you know, another team will copy it. But it was just it was refreshing for me to hear that uh coming from what I came from and uh I lost my train of thought. But yeah, it was uh it was it was great of Todd and I you know to this day I think Do you think that that kind of contributed to what we see now which is like I mean you could count it’s going to take your your hands your toes to count like all of the ex sharks that are involved in this current rebuild, right? like you’ve got Ryan Clo, Mike Greer, you’ve got, you know, even you like you’re sitting on a podcast about this like special about that that time, you know, as Yeah. Well, we had I mean, I’ve said this before and I I won a cup in Tampa, but the the the best team I might have played on might have been my first year, our president trophy team in 2008. Uh, we lost to San Anaheim in the first round. Got swept four nothing. But that regular season team was freaking stacked. It was disgusting. I remember that season. That’s like we we we destroyed I mean we won in Tampa. Okay. Like we we were very good. Yeah. But but in 08 I think we were [ __ ] [ __ ] kicking teams. Like Yep. Like and that might be the best team I’ve ever been on. And uh God, I’m totally lost train of thought. It’s just Well, we’re gonna do another episode in the future. What what happened? What happened from perspective in the future? It’s just interesting that that there is a lot of sharks that are trying to not rec come back to it and try and build up a new new team. Yeah. I mean, we we did everything but win. So, you know, you had a lot like you know, and even I got to mention Tom Holy who was like our freaking towel boy. No, he wasn’t. He was like PR guy. Now he’s assistant GM. But uh we we had a good thing going. We just never got to finish it. So now guys are trying to do it from the press box instead from on the ice. I love it. Well, you know, another another thing that I was sort of thinking about and in and what you’re talking about this delicate balance of of a good leader is oftent times what I see on the ice is, you know, you have your guys that are like these grinders that are just like working hard and have that strong work ethic you were talking about. But some of those leaders that that that I love to to see on the ice is you’re down by a goal, even by two goals, but they have that swagger to them. They got that like calm confidence like the Cooer are like we got this boys, you know. So like yeah. Yeah. What’s it’s amaz Yeah. I I again there’s so many points that we can bring up and I hadn’t thought of that but absolutely. Um, you want to have the guy that wants the puck on his stick at the end of a game or when you’re up by a goal or two goals and then you’re cut by one then it’s, you know, and guys are all tight. Your leaders need to be those guys that show confidence. I think I was talking to you guys about I played on 2010 the gold medal game where we got tied with less than a minute left. Free scores. We were going in overtime and it was just like calm. It was just pure calm. I don’t know what it was like on the US side, but like there was probably 15 Hall of Famers in that room. And I think that’s what you kind of want from your leaders is is that confidence, that swagger, to use your word, where if you’re up a goal or down two, whatever, they’re just going to [ __ ] be that. They’re going to be those guys. And H Anderchuk is a perfect example because he was a four-line guy, but he was on the power play every power play and he would be on the ice, you know, but he he just he could like hold the puck and it was just it just it it creates that calmness for sure. So go so I love that. And going back to that uh gold medal game, I think uh you’re lined up with someone very interesting, stronger. What was that like? I mean, Mutton Jeff is that like he’s what is he 66 and I was like 510. Um I uh I it was amazing and uh I I think I we talked about it uh the other day where like a lot of people I didn’t know because I didn’t watch the replay for years and years later and then only recently one of my buddies at Cordoval showed me the score sheet of the gold medal game and I was pronger was one nice time and I was number two. I would have never guessed in a million years that was the case. And in overtime alone, I had the most ice time. So, it blew my freaking mind. But obviously being with Chris, he calmed things down for me. Hopefully, I did the same for him. Um, but playing with somebody like that as your D partner or your center or wing will with that swagger, it’ll it’s infectious. it’s uh it it it transcends or transpires or you know it it it it’s infectious. So um yeah, he was a he was a perfect partner for me. I was all over the place and he was calm and steady back there and I think we made a pretty decent pair. Wanted to ask you about uh different uh leadership types. So you’ve referred to you want a work ethic guy. Yeah, you want a glue guy, the guy who kind of kind of brings everybody together, maybe off the ice. You want uh comfortable in the room, the guy to stand up and to talk when things are going bad or to or or to uh tell the coach to f off. And Zubar added a diff a different kind of element, too, which is a good element for room, too. A guy with some swagger, the guy who wants the puck on his stick no matter what. So, wanted to put you on the spot here, Dan. Uh some of your all-time examples of guys like that. So, who who’s your all-time work ethic guy? Well, I mean, besides yourself. Yeah. Right. Well, I mean, it’s big place in my heart. Marty St. Louisie. Okay. Um to this day, um wasn’t that was not a captain. I don’t know if he was ever a captain. Yeah. But, uh um hardest working um player I’ve ever played with besides myself. Okay. And how about a glue guy? the guy who brings people off the ice together. There’s been a lot. Um, if we’re not going just straight up captains or assistants, uh, you know, I think Douggee Murray was pretty awesome. Okay. Uh, he was pretty great. Uh, but I mean, Joe Joe was Joe Thornton was pretty good with the young guys. U, pretty good at that stuff. So, I would say those two guys that come to mind right now. Okay. And then how about the comfortable in the room, comfortable standing up and talking when something needed to be said? I I think I think I’m going to go back to Anderchuck. You know, Anderchuk was pretty comfortable uh talk in front of the room and again he earned it. So, you know, he he he was he was great. And again, winning a couple do that, but uh he was he was pretty awesome. And how about a swagger guy then for you? Swagger. Yeah. Who who wanted who wanted that puck on his stick? God, I that’s Well, I I I gotta go back to I gotta go back to Marty. I mean, Marty uh Marty really wanted the Pac-Man. And uh you know you know Yeah. I mean Joe I mean there’s again I’m I’m 18 years right. There’s probably somebody I’m forgetting right now. Yeah. But um but yeah, Marty St. Louis to me I think uh probably uh probably that guy. Well, Sharks fans will want to hear the same list, but with just Sharks then. So, we can work at the guy with the Sharks. Well, you know what? This is G this is going to be totally off the board, but like Scotty Nicholls. Okay. All right. Now, AGM of the Predators. Okay. Was a [ __ ] machine, man. All right. He was the Energizer Bunny. He was not. He was what, a third, fourth liner. Yeah. But nobody worked harder than Scotty. So, not that he’s going to hear this, but hopefully if he does, shout out. He was No, he’s he’s an avid listener. He’s awesome. He was he was he was he was inspiring, man. So, uh yeah, shout out to Scotty Nichols. Uh you know, he was he was awesome. He was a We actually were going to talk a little bit about to kind of round out this um your time with the Sharks and the the different um captaincy during that time because it was kind of uh tumultuous to use. Oh, wait, wait, wait. Let’s We had to finish this list here though. So yeah, let’s uh So we have Glue Guy, which is you said Jumbo and and Doug Murray. Yeah. But who is the shark that was most comfortable talking getting up and talking in front of everybody? Uh [ __ ] Uh you know what? Rob Blake. Rob Blake. Rob Blake. Rob Blake. Rob. Okay. Again, he had been established. Yeah. Yeah. I Rob Blake. I gota ask this too while we’re here because I remember when the Sharks didn’t have a captain for that one season. Um and uh it was at the stadium series. They did like the inside the locker room. So we got a glimpse of like Pavvelski in the locker room and it was like a precursor like he should be captain. He had this great speech like let’s [ __ ] go boys and he got the boys going and he was intense. What was what was he like locking? Could you tell he was going to be a captain later down the line? So So I was gone when that happened but um yeah not surprised. He he’s he’s more of a a quiet leader, but work ethic is great. Uh just a great guy. Earned his, you know, earned his reputation. You know, he was a late round pick, which I like. You know, he wasn’t Yeah. He earned everything he had. Um yeah, I was not surprised he was named captain. Um, but I I had him, you know, when he was when we played together. There was Blakey, there was Patty, there was Jumbo, you know, myself, Ryan Clo, so he probably took a little bit of backseat to us a little bit. But, uh, we loved work. God, I’m taking up too much time here. Just I’m getting all fired up. I just He’s the He’s the kind of player you want to [ __ ] go through a wall for. Okay. You can’t say that about every guy. You can’t say that about every guy. There’s some guys that are good players, but you know, Paps, you want to work for him because he worked for you. And uh that’s the best way I can describe him. He was he was he was [ __ ] great. And who is your uh Swagger Sharks guy? The guy that wanted the puck at the kind of those moments. Uh I mean, I think Joe I mean Joe wanted the puck. Joe wanted the puck. I’ll give it to Joe. I don’t know why, but as a fan perspective, I feel like Coots wanted it too. coach tour. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. When he So, I left he kind of like became captain after I left and stuff. So, uh for the time that I was I’m kind of basing it off the time that I was there. And and by the way, by the way, he’s he might be my favorite. Like he him and I are cut from the same cloth. His work ethic and the way he played the game, the way he thought the game, you wanted him on the ice whether you were down a goal or up a goal. He’s [ __ ] Swiss Army knife. Uh, love love love him. Um, but I I don’t think I got to see I I I missed the whole captaincy years with Logan because I was gone at this point. Well, I think uh we’re we’re near near kind of the the end of this discussion, but summary though. So Dan doesn’t like Mlin Celerini. That’s that’s Min Cbrini sucks. I did I did want to mention though with uh we talked about Mario Ferraro a little bit and uh I don’t know what you guys think but I think and Zubar I think you mentioned this before that I actually think Mario is probably the most suitable to be the captain over Cadrell and to Foley except for the fact that the Sharks tried to trade him every [ __ ] year and that was the main that’s the main problem here that like we don’t know if he’s going to be around past February. So yeah, if you were to pick one, I I think that I’m actually going to pick a Dro then if the kind of the safest example of a guy that nothing against Foley is that glue guy. He brings everybody off the ice. Uh I don’t know if his his work ethic though is up to the the 100 not to say he doesn’t work hard, but up to that kind of standard though of the 150% kind of guy. But um that so that’ll be my vote if the Sharks go with the captain before Mlin. So, I just wanted to go around the room really fast before we get to kind of the the final topic. So, what do you do we get a do we get a boiler finger gun for this one too? Uh yeah, sure. Yeah, we do. Yeah. Yeah. So, no matchbox 20. Wait, how many years is Goodro signed though? He’s uh two two years at least. Two years. This year and next year. Yeah. So, you’re going with Goodro. I’m going to go Goodro. I’m going to Foley. I’ve always he is can the answer be no captain or it has to be Yeah, it could be no captain. It could be no captain. Yeah. Yeah, I’m going no captain. No captain. Okay. I would say I would say I would also say no captain, but just to throw something out there, I think Mario Ferraro. The reason is I I I think that like even talking to Dan, work ethic has got to be like a higher weighted average. Sure. And I just don’t see that with Tofoley. Like I just I like he’s a good glue guy, but I don’t think that’s as important as like the guy that’s on the ice blocking shots with his face, right? And that’s Ferraro. He’s loud in the locker room. We know that. And the only thing that I think he’s lacking on is some of the swagger. He could be squirly at times and job security. Well, so here’s here’s my point on that. Okay, so here’s my point on that is that okay, yeah, he’s been on the trade block every season for sure, but the Sharks value him higher than anyone else in the league want there. Yeah, people want to return for. So, I’m saying I don’t think I I I think there’s a chance we give it to him, we sign a good deal, he stays for for another year. And I hope he finally has some insulation to find some of that swagger because I love Mario and I and I I would I would whenever I watch him like even before his last injury last season, I talked to him after because me and my buddy were watching the game and he blocked a shot and like blew up his ankle. But right before that, he was like pounding his stick on the ice after I forgot who was in net like covered the puck and he wanted it. And that’s what Dan just said. He was like, “Dude, you want that guy who wants the puck.” And he was like banging his stick and me and my buddy were like, “Dude, I think Mario was yelling like, “Give me the puck.” Because then he was having a great game. So I talked to Mario at like the couture thing, uh, the retirement. I was like, “Dude, were you asking for the puck?” He’s like, “Dude, yeah, I was. I was feeling it.” I was like, “Dude, we saw it.” Like I was I could tell you were [ __ ] feeling it. and and like so if we get that Mario and everything else clicks, I think he’s the guy. Well, you know, gun to my head and I have to pick someone, I’m going Mario, too. Okay, that’s a good pick. All right. Yeah. If I can’t do no captain, I’m going Mario. All right. Yeah. You know, you know we’ll give Mario some swagger. A three-year contract. So that’s true. Yeah. contract and a better like D partner and better decor overall I think would be good for Mario because he’s just kind of like Mario I I love Mario but he’s just he’s kind of been through some shitty Sharks teams to be honest like just the worst Sharks teams and he needs to be on a good Sharks team and be a good part of a Sharks team to really feel being a captain of a good team you know. Yeah. And he never stopped trying his hardest even with those shitty teams. No. No, he doesn’t. And actually can I yeah interject again yeah got to ask Dan this question because this is something that Keegan and I have argued not argue about because I think Keegan is not against me. So I shouldn’t say argue but we’ve talked a lot about it um before that Mario would have been such a good fit to previous Sharks teams like the ones you’re on the very very good teams that just his how he plays his personality that he would have been a great fit for that group and he just sort of got unlucky. He came into the league to this Sharks team five years too late. You know, he could have been like a Justin Braun type. Uh anyway, so I have some I have something to say real quick. Yes. Didn’t the Sharks get blown out last year like eight nothing or nine nothing a couple games in a row against uh that Well, two years Well, two years ago they they lost uh they they gave up 10 goals in consecutive Okay. So, go back, watch those two games, and I want you to watch who’s working their ass off in the third period. And I believe probably only Mario. I believe your captain, probably only Mario. I believe your captain will be right there. Yeah. Damn, that’s probably true. So, yeah, Sharks fans, go back and watch those two 10 nothing games. Who’s working hard in the third period? Email Shen and uh that’s your captain, right? And after you watch those two, you’ll be ready for The Human Centipede. That will be a highlight. I’ll be like, “Good. We’re going to watch Human Centipede. That’s the road trip home, baby. Thank goodness. That’s the plane ride home.” Yeah. Yeah. Watch The Human Centipede on Silent with just Matchbox 20’s greatest hits. Can I just say this? Like like Shang and I have been doing this podcast for two years. We’ve watched some very bad Sharks teams and it’s been kind of depressing and I’m honestly a little bit excited to have Dan Bole here to watch some better hopefully better Sharks teams. That’s all I’ll say. Oh, hell yeah. Well, we’re going to make this fun. Exactly. Whether you know one way or another because we uh we want to make sure we keep the fans. It’s going to get better. That’s a That’s the way we fans interested. I got a lot more for you guys. Got a lot more up here. Let’s go. Stay tuned. Start from the bottom. Get to the top, but in human head style. Buckle up. Buckle up. All right, boys. This is a great one. This is so much fun. And uh can’t wait for the next one. We got some more exciting things to talk about. Can we close with a little bit of history, though? Keegan’s got a question to close out. Oh. Oh, yes. So, I mean, if we’re still talking about captaincy, this is our last question. Um, it’s basically like the Sharks had a I guess a history of changing captaincy, right? Like they had Patrick Marlo who was taken away as captaincy in 2009. Then Joe Thornton who was also um taken or stripped of his captaincy in after the reverse sweep to LA. Um, obviously you were um then quickly after that time sent to the Rangers, but what do you think about those situations where you pick a captain and then kind of have to backtrack? Do the Do the players Those are those are Yeah, those are two tough situations. Those those were pretty hard on those two guys. Um, I will say this, I I do have to respect I want to talk about stuff, but I I do respect the sanctuary of the locker room. there’s certain things I definitely don’t want to go into. Um, those were two tough situations. I think, um, both obviously Hall of Famers, both great players. Um, there were probably a couple individual things that happened behind the scenes that could have probably were probably, you know, some of the reasons there, but um, I don’t think it falls solely on them. I think um it is a team effort. It’s a team sport. And sometimes, and I can’t say because I wasn’t the GM, but sometimes there is that added pressure. And sometimes teams will remove a letter from a player in order to free him up because there are those responsibilities that I said that have nothing to do with the game. Um, and I think I I can’t speak for Doug and why, you know, things happened, but I think it was to probably free up those guys a little bit. And I was gone by the time Jumbo, you know, obviously that was a that was a horrible way to end the season and and my Sharks, you know, career here. But, um, it’s tough. You have to make changes sometimes. It’s like you just have to try to like, you know, pull the goalie and put in your backup to try to like get the team going again. So sometimes if you can’t fire your whole team or trade your whole team, you sometimes remove your captain and doesn’t happen very often. Doesn’t happen very often, nor should it. Um, but sadly I went through two of it twice. But, uh, we need a, um, we need a pickme up at the end of this. We don’t have any more questions, but this is very depressing. Well, Sharks fans, if you want more of the the individual reasons from Dan, buy him a Moscow mule if you see him around. All right. Yes. I Moscow mule. Well, there’s other stuff I like to do, but we’ll talk about that on another podcast. Oh, yeah. We will. Nothing crazy. Nothing crazy. You know, I told you guys my story about when I went to the Sharks game last season. Let’s save that for the next podcast. Yeah, we will. Maybe what we should do is for the next podcast to open the podcast is somebody like suggests an actor or a genre or something, some sort of movie related topic. So, we can start with that. How about that? I like it. I like it. It’ll be in the comments. We can start with that. Yeah, because I’m looking at the time. I’m like, dude, people are are people going to listen to an hour and a half of like Oh, they they they do. Yes. And I we’ve done three hour podcasts that I don’t know anyone that listens to an hour and a half of that, but if you listen, if you throw in some Tom Cruz and some Human Centipede in there, I think it’s more likely to, you know, Hell yeah. Dan, you know what people do actually, and this is something I learned recently, but people will listen to this podcast at 1.25 or 1.5 speed. So, basically, they get through it faster. So, this hour and a half will go like 45 minutes. And that’s why we go really fast when we keep saying where we’re going. All right. Well, that was a wrap, boys. All right, boys. Good episode. Well, how do we how do we how do we end it? Do we like Do we all meet our hands in the middle of the the We salute. Put your hands in the middle. You got to go. You got to go to the corner. I was going to like lower corner. Okay, we can do that though. Let’s wait. Let’s wait. Let’s all humans. I’m going to do the Star Trek thing each other. Wait, we all got to face the right We all got to face the right way, though. Yeah, I got to go. No, you got to go. No, cuz No, that’s way. Yeah. Yeah, you got to go this way. Go this way. Wait, you guys Me and Zubar got it. You guys don’t have this way. Me and Subar got it. Zubar, put your elbow back on the other screen. Okay. No, move your elbow towards my Move your elbow towards my hand so it looks like we’re connected. Go the other way. Other way. Either way. Either way. There we go. There we go. We’re connected. We’re connected. We are. I give up. Keegan, you’re go the wrong way. We’re not connected. Keegan, me and Subar are good. We’re totally one. Keegan’s got to move his Keegan’s got to move his fist into Shanken’s arm. Into me. Into me. No. Into Shankpen’s arm. No, the other way. The other way. Yeah. Go. Go. Keep going. The other way. Put it in. No. No. No. Move your Keegan, move your left hand into Shangpen’s forearm. No. What do you mean? Move it over. Look. Look at me and Zubar. Look at me and Zubar. Okay. But listen, this is exactly what you and now move it the other way. You’re not connecting with me. Move it to your right. Move it to your right. Move it to your right. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Keep going. Keep going. Keep going. Keep going. Keep going. Keep going. So good. Yes. I want you all over my screen. Sh over here. Okay. But that’s good. This is it. That’s right. Yeah. Can we be done now? Yes. We have officially the weirdest podcast on all 78. Let’s [ __ ] go, boys. That’s the hardest workout I’ve ever done to be honest with you. All right, boys. Hopefully, we don’t go down to five listeners. Let me know. Until next week, we’ll talk about something better than they do.

Dan Boyle joins a new team…the San Jose Hockey Now Podcast!

The San Jose Sharks legend makes a raw co-hosting debut alongside insider Sheng Peng, prospects authority Keegan McNally, and beer league champ Zubair Jeewanjee.

On this episode, the boys talk about who the next San Jose Sharks captain should be. Macklin Celebrini? Tyler Toffoli? Someone else?

Boyle also shares his ideal leadership group composition, stories of Dave Andreychuk telling John Tortorella off, and more!

We also discuss the San Jose Sharks’ Rookie Faceoff roster, how the new CBA affects the team, and…the time that Dan showed “The Human Centipede” on the team plane?!?

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Timestamps

00:00:00 Welcome to Episode 100 🎉
00:00:41 Sponsor shoutout: Bring Hockey Back
00:01:42 Introducing SJ Sharks legend Dan Boyle 🦈
00:02:10 Boyle’s career recap: Cup, Olympic Gold, 1,000+ games
00:03:05 Why Boyle joined SJHN Podcast
00:04:06 Shared competitiveness, Sharks’ passion & Tom Cruise
00:05:02 Dan Boyle’s infamous “Human Centipede” story 🤯
00:08:53 Cult films, shock value & Sharks sponsor reactions
00:10:28 Tom Cruise movie favorites (Vanilla Sky, Magnolia, Maverick)
00:14:21 Hollywood talk vs. Sharks talk balance
00:16:15 Rookie Faceoff roster breakdown (Misa, Musty, Dickinson)
00:18:44 Prospects to watch: Musty, Wang, Misa
00:20:55 Colin Graf spotlight (Boyle’s thoughts on undrafted gems)
00:23:52 Why scouting is the most underrated part of hockey
00:26:01 New NHL CBA updates & Sharks’ implications
00:29:59 Emergency goalies, contract rules & neck guards
00:32:45 Sam Dickinson’s AHL eligibility debate
00:35:40 Prediction time: Will Dickinson stick in the NHL?
00:38:44 Luca Cagnoni & small defensemen discussion
00:40:56 Boyle on NHL size bias & his own career path
00:42:40 Transition to Sharks captaincy debate
00:44:05 What makes a strong NHL captain? (Boyle’s 3 attributes)
00:46:59 Dave Andreychuk stories & Torts’ dynamics 🔥
00:50:53 Off-ice leadership: glue guys, travel, wives room, more
00:55:41 On-ice leadership: work ethic above all
00:57:12 Who should be the next Sharks captain? Boyle’s take
01:01:10 Why too young captains can be risky
01:05:12 Jason Demers’s stories & “knowing when to shut up”
01:08:01 Todd McLellan’s family-first locker room philosophy
01:10:29 Sharks’ 2008-09 President’s Trophy team reflections
01:15:03 Leadership archetypes: workhorse, glue guy, vocal, swagger
01:17:53 Sharks-specific examples (Nichol, Thornton, Pavelski)
01:23:12 Roundtable: Who should wear the “C” in San Jose?
01:26:00 Ferraro vs. Goodrow vs. No Captain debate
01:30:18 Sharks captaincy history: stripping Marleau & Thornton
01:32:29 Wrap-up chaos: Human Centipede salutes & Matchbox 20 😂