LIVE: Cowboys Break Podcast | 9-10-25 | Dallas Cowboys 2025

LIVE: Cowboys Break Podcast | 9-10-25 | Dallas Cowboys 2025

The following is a production of DallasCowboys.com and the Dallas Cowboys football club. How about [Music] Let’s go. Are you ready for a break? Yes. Are you ready for a break? Absolutely. Ready for a break? Yeah. And so much for that. It’s time for the break on dallascowboys.com. We were on the break with Ambar Garcia, Brian Bris, Vach Lombardi, and Derek Eagleton. Welcome back to another episode of The Break. We are here live in SWBC studios and this is the break presented by LG. I’m here with Voch and Brian brought us. Derek will be back tomorrow. I keep saying that. He better come back tomorrow. Uh we’re going to start talking today about the breakdown with New York Giants offense versus the Cowboys defense. But before we get into that, let’s talk about some of the latest news happening here around the building. The Cowboys brought in Javian Clowney. He’s here at the Star for a visit with the team. And yesterday we spent a big chunk of the of the show talking about the Cowboys generating pressure and what they need to do to do that and all that. And then you got now a defensive end that they’re bringing in to look at some someone who’s a veteran and has a lot of time and experience in the NFL. Wanted to get your thoughts and analysis and full breakdown on a guy like him and what he could potentially bring to the team if the Cowboys do decign decide to sign him. Well, uh, Clown is a dude and you can always have dudes. There’s always room to add dudes, uh, to your room. Um, I think he’s a veteran pass rusher and the veteran side is, uh, really going to going to matter here. So, if you have a lot of young guys, right, Donzaraku, if you find yourself leaning on him too much, then Clowny is an older character that can come in, teach you some things. But more importantly, you don’t want to lean on your young guys too much. Brian, we’re having this convo about JT, right? Jay Toia. like, yeah, it’s cool to have J2A, but you don’t want to lean on him too much. You want the young guy to kind of have it, you know, have uh as as as least pressure on him as possible and just kind of grow how you grow. So, with the other guy that’s not here anymore, cuz people in the comments, hey, we talked about the other character that’s in Green Bay now. Uh Donovan is like your third pass rusher. When Guy is not here, Donovan is your second pass rusher now. At least with with Clowny, you you you bump guys down a little bit. Plus, Clown is really good in the run game, too, bro. and and the Cowboys uh need plenty of that moving forward. Yeah. I I think that you know when you’re all when you’re talking about these players and and you know and and to me it’s about identifying problems quickly and if you feel like that that maybe that you might be a little lax in one area and people are probably saying well damn Brian you had one of the best pass rushers in the National Football League here earlier you know and but it’s you know things move on and so you have to find a way to make adjustments along the way. we kind of felt like that this edge group was one of the strengths of this team and so now are you not happy with certain elements of that? I mean, I know Vaj and I, Amber, we’ve all talked about this is, you know, when with with Ezaraku, a young guy, you know, you don’t want to get in the way of him uh learning and playing along the way. You know, Marshon Nean is another guy that you kind of feel like that deserves more of an opportunity. So, you know, with Clowney, they’re obviously they have something specific in mind if in fact that he is going to sign here. And and V you mentioned about the run the run defense stuff. that’s kind of been something he’s been good at though the older he’s gotten. He’s gotten better at that. So, and we’ll see what you know what what other elements he brings as far as a pass rusher. But, uh yeah, it’s uh you know, if you if you feel like that you’re kind of struggling a little bit in some of those areas, well, by all means, you know, just take a take a peek, kick the tires, and and see what you get. And there there there’s always going to be fans that are a little negative. You know, I’m I’m the YouTube guy, so I’m always reading chat to see what you guys have to say. sometimes, you know, commenting back and the first thing that I kind of see is that, well, he’s washed. He’s an older player. Don’t think about Clowny as like a first overall pick kind of guy that’s going to come in here, get 20ome sacks, and change how you do things. That’s not really the case. But with pass rushes, you can never have too many of them. So, even if Clowny is not a better pass rusher than Dante Fowler right now, is he a better pass rusher than Sam Williams? Can he get you more of a pass rusher than Marshon Nan? think that’s something that you should be thinking about more, you know, rather than is clowning going to be like a one-man situation to come in here and fix everything. That’s not going to be the the case here. You’re just adding help to a room that needs a little bit of help. Well, that’s exactly what I was going to mention because that has been the negative comment happening right now with the age and how old he is. But looking at what happened last year, what was he doing last year? He was he was in Carolina last year. A decent decent run guy. He was a two and a half sack guy, but when you’re Carolina teams beating the hell out of you, so they’re going to run the ball a bunch. But prior to that nine sacks and the year before, nine sacks. So, he’s normally around the eight to nine sack range. Uh if he’s with a team that’s competing and we’re playing well and he gets to go and rush the passer sometimes, right? Uh I I think that’s kind of what what you’re getting here. So, just doing football math, let’s just say Clowny is a seven sack guy for you. You can damn use seven sacks out of somebody right now. So, yeah, he’s older, but I think he’s he’s good enough to help you somewhere. So, Brian, how do do you see a guy like him, if they choose to proceed and give him a contract here with Dallas? How do you see him fitting in with this defense? Well, that’s what you know what Vach was kind of talking about though. And you have to look at him now. This is guy I think he’s far from being a starter anymore. I think this you’re looking at a rotational player and that’s what Matt Eberlu does. It kind of goes back to his teaching with uh you with Rod Marinelli. It’s about the rotation. It’s about a lot of getting a lot of guys involved, getting a lot of bodies involved. I I just I’m I’m kind of curious. I would like to know kind of a fly on the wall situation where they feel like though they might be lacking a little bit week one that was the pass rush and stuff like that wasn’t it wasn’t great. You got the pressures. You got a quarterback that was holding the ball. You got a quarterback that was struggling with zone coverage that you were playing very very well. But, you know, he’s a guy that is capable. He is capable of playing some run defense. I wonder if they’re feeling like that that maybe on the edges they’re going to get people that are going to try and run the ball with them and against him. But, you know, that’s what you got guys like, you know, we you look at uh, you know, with with like I mentioned with Nean and his ability to be able to, you know, to him to play. Maybe you’re a little bit worried about Fowler and and that whole thing. Uh, but I I just kind of to me this is one of those uh the defensive tackle room and then the edge room was kind of the I would think well I’ll let it ride for another week. Let it see. But obviously they feel like that he could come in and bring them something as a as a rotational piece uh to to get through these games if in fact they do sign him. Brian, do you think this is your DC saying I want to rush four guys? I want to get pressure with four guys. And man, we just let this imaginary player that people hate talking about now and it’s easy to get pressure with four guys the name. People People get so mad when you just He’s still an elite NFL player. Of course, but people goofy. Amber, how you say goofy in Spanish? Go say goofy in Spanish. How you say that? Goofy. Crazy as hell. Listen, uh you can you can get pressure rushing for if Michael Parsons is around. He ain’t around. So now you’re looking at your edge group. Can you get pressure with four? Flu doesn’t want to blitz a whole bunch. No. If if Floose has to blitz like versus the Eagles, we get to the second half, you blitz a little bit more and it and it and it works for you, cool. But just who who Floose is, you want to rush for throw a bunch of guys in coverage and hope that you dink and dunk come up and and tackle, right? That’s his scheme. So yeah, you need pass rush guy. And look, Brian, honestly, this doesn’t change how I feel about Marshon Neland. I still think Nelink should be the first guy out there, run defense, let him continue to, you know, you know, grow as a pass rush guy and then Dante Fowler be the other guy, whatever you want to do. Sam as a bigger body. I don’t think that changes too much, but in those packages where you do want to pass rush a little bit more and you only get five. This may be more about James Houston or anything than you know the top of your edge room. I would kind of feel like that James Houston showed you enough though that maybe that you’d want to get him on the field more. Sure. And you know, and I think if you want to go back and say, hey, were does the things that Fowler did, did the some of the lack of some discipline did is that did that kind of rub you the wrong way. I wonder and and this is probably something not good to say, but I wonder if they really feel like that, you know, that they threw too much at Ezrau, you know, and they and they they’re feeling like, okay, and you know, they’ve got to they’ve got some veteran guys, but I wonder if it’s like they like, hey, let’s let’s get him some help as well and we’ll give him let him bring him along slowly. But me personally, I’m like, hey, I’m I’m going to throw the guy in the deep end pool and see if he can swim because I think he’s got that kind of ability. And I I just I don’t think this is a progress stopper. That was something that was always the buzzword around here. Why you bringing this guy in? Is he a progress stopper? I I would really really like to know why they’re doing this. And I and I and and I would I would hope that it’s not because they’re not uh they’re not u comfortable with what Ezra has shown them so far. I was I wanted to ask you guys when you heard the news of him coming into the building and visiting with the Cowboys, were you guys surprised or shocked because yesterday Vot you mentioned you posed the question, okay, how long do you guys wait? And we talked about the linebacker position, different position, but how long do you give the linebackers before you start looking for outside help? And then here’s a different position. After week one, they decide to bring in start looking outside for outside help to bring in. Were you guys kind of surprised? Because this is something that we don’t typically see the Cowboys do. They make those moves like way later if any at all. Honestly, shouts out to Jerry and them because we normally, and when I say we, I mean like fans, right? Normally pissed off because the Cowboys are too reactive. Like this is something that Howie would do. Uh Brian, like, “Hey, I have a need right now. I’m gonna go find a solution right now. And I don’t think this is stopping any of your other young guys. Hell, you can put Donovan and Clowny out there together. Let them let them rush together and he’ll still grow while Clowny is here. That’s the nature of pass rush. This ain’t like quarterback where you got to sit one guy and one guy plays. Play them all together and let them be one one big happy pass rush family or whatnot, right Brian? But, you know, be ahead of it as opposed to we’re getting into week two and three pass rush still a problem. four, five, clowny just signed Arizona or something, but we still got, you know, we still need pass rushing. Oh, boy. This other guy that could help us just sign somewhere else and now we’re in week 12. All right, let’s go sign some character we never heard of that probably can’t help us cuz we still need help in week 12. Shouts out to the Jones. I have no problem with that. You know, being a pro personnel guy in the past, I mean, staying ahead of it. Vot is absolutely right. If you go back, if if you’re one of those guys and gals that really believe in what Pro Football Focus, if you’re if you trust grades, Clowny’s highest grade last year in the games he played at Carolina was against the Dallas Cowboys. And then he’s got some other games where he’s played very well, they played the Denver Broncos, it was one of his higher grades, and Kansas City was one of his higher grades. And it seemed like to me that some of the better opponents were some of his better games. uh last year if you look at the if you look at the metrics and you look at his grades again if you trust all those things but obviously the pro personnel guys said you know let’s get ahead of this like V is talking about let’s bring the guy in let’s see what kind of shape he’s in and uh and then go from there. Well you guys stay tuned to dallascowboys.com to see whatever news happened throughout the day if the Cowboys do decide to sign him and get him on the roster and then we’ll jump on another show and talk about this and how it actually looks and when he would be playing here with the team. Let’s go to our first break. When we come back, we’re going to dive in and start talking about this Giants offense versus the Cowboys defense. After the break, hey, AT&T has a new guarantee because most things in life are not guaranteed, like getting through selfch checkckout by yourself. 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That’s why your eyes were You were looking at me with like you had something on. I was just being I was being played. I was letting you finish. Uh, cuz I could have just jumped in and what are we doing over there? Hold up. So So like kicking the tires like you probably not buying it. You just kicking the tires or just seeing where you’re at? Seeing where you at. Okay. Seeing where you’re at. So, we’ll see. Have But yeah, just got that that I got that notice. So, like that’s a funny funny term because Okay, I kicked the tire. But let’s say it didn’t roll it. Like the tire just right there. It’s still there. Well, see, Amar is rich, Brian. So, she don’t understand buying buying cars. Yeah. She kicked the tires. Yeah. Cash cars. You know what a cash car is? Oh, you mean when you’re checking it like you get to see kicking the tires? Oh, okay. See, Amber got money, bro. She don’t understand them prop. Hey, I’ve kicked my I’m thinking my visual is like a cartoonish type of visual where you’re actually seeing the tire roll. Kicking the cano. Yeah. Kicking a can. There we go. Mu detto. Mu. I’m sorry. I’m not a YouTuber like you. I’m I’m sure you’re full of cash right now. That is true. No, I’m playing. I’m I don’t have no money. I ain’t got chain. By the way, before I get started today, uh well, we’ll I’ll let you I we’ll talk about this tomorrow. There’s something I got I got to talk to you guys about afterwards. Okay. But it’s it’s exciting. It’s exciting. It’s exciting. But yeah, why I brought it up, I don’t know. New York Giants. Cuz the Giants ain’t because the Giants are not Giants. That’s why. Go ahead. The Giants. Yeah. Okay. But yeah, you guys are up for an award this probably today. So, okay. The uh Yeah. So, uh VA, help me on this one, too, because you looked at this football team as well. It’s the New York Football Giants as our beloved Jason Garrett like to say uh about them. Um when you look at the Giants, I think VA the first place you’re going to start at is they’ve got Russell Wilson starting at quarterback. Yes, sir. And I don’t necessarily think that’s the best thing for the New York Football Giants right now. I I don’t feel like that I don’t think there’s anything that Russell Wilson can now do in order to beat you in a football game. And there’s still the ability to slide to move and all that, but as a passer, sure, I don’t feel like that that is a that is going at one time in his life, it was a deep passing game. It was with Seattle, it was, you know, throwing the ball out of the middle of the pocket, making, you know, big long chunk plays. I don’t think he has the capability of making chunk plays anymore. If he’s going to make a chunk play, it’s going to be with his legs. Yeah, Brian. You know, the Giants are doing themselves a disservice. And look, it ain’t up to us to, you know, fix them. Hey, if y’all want to roll the worst guy out there, then cool. Do your thing. Just watching Jackson Dart. I think Dart would give them a better opportunity to win. Brian throwing the ball down the field. Throwing the ball for sure. He throws it everywhere. He throws it over the middle outside the numbers, deep, you know, crosses, whatever. Uh Russell is either going to be deep ball, check down, some short, some sort of play action check down short, or he’s going to bail out and run uh because pressure has gotten to him, and that running is mostly up the middle. Right, Brian? So, with this offensive line that ain’t good, I’m going to let you go over that. Uh, Russ isn’t really going to beat you upside the head. Neighbors is dangerous. Y, but if it ain’t Neighbors like bailing him out, playing hero ball, then Yeah. Russ isn’t really going to try you, you know, all over the field. He’s either going to try you in this spot or in this spot. Yeah. I I think the thing with And you mentioned uh this offensive line, and I’ll I’ll scoot to that, and then we’ll come back with with Neighbors and Robinson and kind of get an idea about that. The thing I noticed about this offensive line last week, you we always to talk about where is the weak link on this offensive line? Where is the guy that you can attack? Where’s the defender you can attack? That’s something big for us, you know, going in these games. And I think as like I say, a former pro personnel guy, I always try to ask the coaches like, “Hey, where do you think what are you thinking about this week?” And then I’m like, “Well, let me give you this.” And with this Giants offensive line really across the board, you can attack this offensive line and and know Andrew Thomas. And I was talking with some folks, you know, he’s their their best tackle. He’s the left tackle. He was a first round pick in in uh in 2020 and they really really rely on him, but he has been dealing with injury and you know there needs to be a ramp up period. There’s a possibility that you’re not going to see him. You didn’t see him in week one. There’s a possibility that you’re not going to see him in week two. So that means that James Hudson now becomes the left tackle for the Giants. And he is a big long tall guy, kind of gangly in the way he plays. Kind of all over the place with his technique. But you know him, you can look at attacking him. You could look at I think John Renan inside is a little bit better, a little bit stouter guy, but he gives up some some pressures because he doesn’t always move his feet. Uh Greg Vanrotten, the the uh the the right guard is a guy that’s has been had had his share of problems. And then you also uh Jermaine Elmanor has had his problems. But I think VA the guy that has the biggest problems is their center John Michael Smith. John Michael Smith is the reason people on the internet saying, “Hey, we should give Mazy another shot because look at how well he did.” That gets John Michael Smith. Yeah. John would Mazy would beat the hell out of John John Michael Smith every single time. And to me, if that’s the case, then just put somebody better over John Michael Smith and we’ll just party in that way. Brian, last week the one guy that we were looking for was um Steam, the right guard, and that ended up benefiting us. Brian Tyler Ste was a guy that we were looking for. We’re also thinking about Dickerson, like if his back kind of flared up a little bit. Dickerson started off well, but later, but the more the game wore on, he did kind of tail off. So, we were right last week, Brian. So we are two for two this week. I think you can go find the whole offensive line. Brian BRan is the best of them, but Hudson Elman Elmanor and Greg Ven Ruffin Ruffin Venutton Rutton, you can go find those guys, bro. And you can win in multiple, you know, multiple ways. Ella Menor lets Doris Armstrong run right right down the middle of him, right? So if you’re a guy like Marshon Nean, you win with power. Put Neand right over Ella Manor. Let him let him uh bull rush, do whatever. Hudson kind of loses. Yeah, he gets his job done in a weird looking way, but you can still get around him. You can win on the inside. You can run through him as well. Just pick a guy, put him all over the place. We had this conversation, brought us uh when are we going to start using Donovan Rocku? This week would be a fantastic week to do it. If Janevian Clowny signs here now, you can free up um Donovan to move around a little bit. Do you use him like you would use Micah? line him up over a center guard, slow footed center or guard and let him run some loops, run some gap exchanges, slants and things with that. I think you can do that. Uh, but John Michael Smith is the main target. Uh, you had a fantastic idea, Brian. Just take Clark and line him up right over him and shade him over his um his snap hand his right hand. Yeah, I think he’s a right-handed center. I think that’s where I would start. at Amar. I would definitely put uh him into a situation where, you know, make John Michael Smiths, he really doesn’t play all that well against power and he’ll struggle with some quickness. He’s a very athletic center. The problem is though, you can compress him. You can compress El Manor, the right tackle. You can take him back. I think he’s got good pass sets, but there’s going to be some opportunities for this Dallas Cowboys defensive line to be able to attack Russell Wilson, attack the pocket. Make sure you make him play out of a well. Rod Marinelli was talking with me about this anytime a long well actually a long time ago about when you played Russell Wilson at when he was at with Seattle. You make him play backwards. You make him have to shorter guy. Make him play backwards. Don’t let him attack the line of scrimmage. He used to be one of the best offplatform throwers that I’ve seen, but now it’s a little bit the feet work, the footwork, excuse me, the arm. He’s slinging the ball sidearm. He’s trying to sling it around people. He’s falling to the ground. It’s just not as as as pretty as it once been once, excuse me, once was with with Russ. Well, I like what you guys are saying. Great opportunity for this Cowboys uh defensive line with Russell. A guy that he’s getting up there in age. He’s been around where you see him at this stage for him to be able to escape and move around. He has mobility and and like Vach was talking about the way he generally escapes is forward through the pocket. He’s really good at if you’re collapsing around him, he has this ability to get really small and then push forward. And then as he’s pushing forward, then he gets into the into the second level and then into the secondary. So what happens is you squeeze him, you get bodies to him and then on him and then be able to grab him because if you miss with your if you miss with your grab and we had that happen a couple of times with the other day with the blitzing that they had with Bland and Diggs and guys like that, you get in the pocket and all of a sudden guys like Herz escape because you don’t wrap up. If you don’t wrap up on this guy, he will slide forward in the pocket and he will take off running. And that’s something now we’ll we’ll throw this out there too. Is this a game? And and and Vach, I’ll ask you this question. Yes, sir. If you didn’t spy Jaylen Herz, are you going to spy this guy? That was so fantastic when you Well, Brian, what what a what a question. The The answer is no. Because Jaylen Herz is the more dangerous guy. N a n ah nah. Hell. Hell no. You wouldn’t. You wouldn’t because you know Russell isn’t dangerous in the same way that Herz is dangerous. But you should for practice because I think it’s negligence if you don’t. You should just get used to having that that guy, you know, watching quarterback spying, whatever. Just a a quarterback guy. Uh for example, um Shamar James doesn’t have to do all the linebacker things, but if he’s only quarterback spy, then let’s see if he can do it. at least until um Demo gets back, right? Because you have nothing but running quarterbacks coming up. So, you have to get used to it at some point. Thing about Russ though that makes him different from Herz is I feel like Herz wants to run. So, you should have been spying Herz. Russell really doesn’t want to run. Russell got 44 yards of just bailing the hell out of just getting out of there. Right. Right. And that just says what? Survival mode. Survival. He’s 44 yards of it. So, that’s really what what the Giants line did. like like it it’ll it’ll rush. Herz will step up and dip out and he did that four or five times and it ended up being four yard. Let me ask you this then. After if you’re the Giants and after watching week one Cowboys versus Eagles and you see the result there, is that an area that you try to incorporate into the game where you’re now asking Wilson to be more mobile and you like make that build that into your game plan? I’m trying to be humble va on this thing. I’m I’m I’m trying not to poo poo on the Giants too much, but but you just dealt with Russell Wilson. I mean, pardon me, with um Taylor. Wilson ain’t Herz. Yeah. Uh Tyrone Tracy ain’t Barkley. The offensive line you just went up against ain’t these guys that you got to line up against this week. Dallas Goddard much better than Bellinger or whoever they gonna be playing tight end or whatever, right? Malik Neighbors is the big trouble here. But it’s only one of him as opposed to the two top tier wide receivers that you just dealt with last week, right? As long as the Cowboys don’t play with their food, as long as they’re focused on the task at hand, long as they don’t beat themselves a bunch of pre- snap penalties, as long as they’re not too high on their own game, Amber, I can’t even consider a world where we’re going, “Oh, well, it’s better if Russell Wilson runs the ball here and we should make Well, hold on. Hold on. I’ve seen previous years where nonpopular quarterbacks, like quarterbacks that whatever still were able to run. Carolina did it, but that could be Dallas playing with their food a little bit. You walk in walk into this Giants game with the same attitude that you walked into this Eagles game. And I don’t see us having this conversation of, well, you would rather Russell Wilson beat you with his arm. You can beat Russell Wilson always. Just deal with it. You played um Pittsburgh last year, right? Russell Wilson didn’t really beat upside the head pass the ball last year neither. 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What do they have going on there? And is this an area where maybe um I’m not going to say the word poo poo. No. Well, well, we’re not we’re not going to poo poo on anybody. No, we don’t do they have a hard time making these backs look good. Tyrone Tyrone Tracy is a good player back. He’s a good player. But he he rushed 10 for 24 yards last week because the offensive line just didn’t the it’s this going to live and die by the offensive line. Ryan Brog and and whether they pass the ball, run the ball, it’s going to come down to those guys. So on a regular day with a good offensive line, I mean we we’ve seen Tyrone Tracy like he had like 900 yards like last year or something like that. Tracy can run. Uh but last but last week 10 for 24 running up the middle. Don Payne was right there tearing it up. Uh Louvu was coming down. They just they just the the Giants’s offensive line just couldn’t they couldn’t maintain blocks. They couldn’t move the line of scrimmage. It was bad. So, uh Tracy didn’t really do very much. Yeah, they and Vach is absolutely right about this. It’s a it is a a situ when you watch the when you watch the uh the Giants and even with the combo block stuff that they do when they try and get together and then get they just don’t get any push and they don’t and and these backs you know Cam Scataboo the the rookie from Arizona State you know they’ll put him out as a wide receiver and throw him the football and you know he’ll you know he could be tough to bring down in the open field but when you’re talking about though why don’t they because he he was more of a he did some physical running and I mean it there was there was a couple times there where they I know one time specifically that they they handed him the ball and they just didn’t get like Frankie Lufu runs through just a run through linebacker and he’s met two yards in the back field and it’s a negative play and then they kind of go away from that. I have a feeling that they’re going to try and play him more this week. I think that I think that they’re going to go they’re going to come into this game and try and maybe, you know, see if they could play with a little physicality with him, try and throw him the football. And so I I wouldn’t be surprised. But their their offensive line, it goes back to that. It just they do not have the ability to get enough push there. It’s it’s very much of contact at the line of scrimmage, contact behind the line of scrimmage. The Cowboys used to have that problem and then last week, you know, they were one of the better in the best in the league or better in the league this uh after week one of like contact beyond the line of scrimmage. Dallas had some where they were getting push up front where they were able to get some movement. Votch and I did some we did a video on our on our website on our show the the doing all right that that talked about that. There was a video where VA showed you how they were able to get pushed whether it was Span Ford working with Gayton and you know them getting pushed and then you got the pullers. The Giants lack all that. They really really do. And their their leading rusher Brian was Russell Wilson. Yeah. His 44 yards of bailing out was their was their best rushing situation. So if you just Oh, you never know. You you know what? You are correct. You never know. So I I I always leave room for Cowboys. Don’t play with your food. Don’t make mistakes. Don’t let the Giants into this game. Don’t let him stay in the game. Don’t let him Don’t let him into this game. The commanders let him kind of stay in the game. Yeah. All the way to the end. But I think that says more about the Washington Football Wizards and the actual Giants. Uh the the Cowboys have they played a much tougher opponent, much better. Yeah. Last week. Take that same energy, put it here, they’ll be all right. Yeah. Absolutely. Now, an area where they could potentially pre uh face some challenges there uh with the wide receivers. We know he there’s a really good wide receiver there. So, but if you want to start talking about him and then we’ll get into the other wide receiver. Yeah, I I think so with Malik Neighbors and, you know, this is one of my LSU brothers and he’s been uh he has been outstanding. Uh even through his, you know, his last couple years as far as when they throw him the ball, his ability to make the catch, he’s a guy that he runs really, really smooth routes. You could see him in and out of breaks. uh they have trouble getting him the football, but you remember the one time when he his rookie season though, they loaded him up. They they 12 targets. Yeah. They went they went after Dallas in that one. And you know, and and so now it’s going to be up up to, you know, how much of the zone coverage are you going to want to play against? You know, you played really 100% zone coverage. Yeah. If you look at the metrics last week, how much zone coverage do you want to play against Russell Wilson here? You kind of feel like you could get pressure. you kind of feel like you could play a little bit more man coverage, but Neighbors is their their their their best weapon on the outside, I would say. Then Juan Del Robinson would be the next best weapon out of that. He wears number 17. They line him up in the back field. They line him up in bunch formations. They put him in the slot. They kind of try and move him around. He’s a guy they play in motion with him. So when they’re trying to throw quick screens and stuff like that, Juell Robinson is the guy. And on third down, that seemed to where Russell Wilson was trying to throw the football. he was trying to find ways. They were setting up uh pick plays, rub plays, you know, I expect the same thing. And you know, but it’s a little bit hard to pick and rub if you’re playing zone coverage. Man coverage, it’s a little bit, you know, that might be something that we don’t see in this game plan very very much, especially if Dallas continues to play as much zone as they have. So Brian, do you think Flu is opposed to man coverage or do you think that it was the Cowboys’ best chance to win by muddying the looks for Jaylen Herz? Herz I think Herz when you look at the metrics on Herz they will tell you that he is a very lowrated passer when he’s having to deal with man coverage excuse me when he has to deal his own coverage you make him have to read secondaries and make him have to make that throw it’s a little bit tougher when he sees man he sees separation he makes some really really good throws nothing against him but the the metrics will tell you his passer rating against man and vers zone is there is a huge gap app between the two. And the thing with with Russell, he’s going to get the ball out quick in this game because they don’t trust their they do not trust their their group. That ball is going to come out quick. And so this is where Robinson and and Neighbors and those guys are going to probably that’s what they’re going to have to live in this game. Brian, I actually think Neighbors may do a little more than Brown and um he’s a good player, man. Neighbors are so good. Like you can just kind of throw it up in his general direction. he’ll just come down with it. And what Russell wants to do is to throw the ball deep anyway. Like he’s either going to check or just throw it deep any and and and as as long as you’re giving neighbors some kind of chance or or a shot, Herz will hold the ball a little bit and not even give his guys a chance. Russell will throw it down there. Russell will miss and hit Pam Oliver on the sideline or something like that. But he will try and neighbors will come down with it. I think you you can’t let Wandelle beat you. No. So Juell is like their turping guy. He’s going to run a lot of motion. He’s going to be in the back field. Sometimes he’ll motion from the back to wide slot, you know, wherever. And what they’re looking for probably, Brian, is matchups. So, they’re going to see, all right, is Kenny Murray going to run out there with Jell Robinson? And boy, that’ll be a nightmare if that’s the case. So, that might be another reason why Floo, you know, just run some zone, hey, and just we’ll just if you if if Well Robinson runs into Don Bland, fine. But you don’t want Sandborn out there on the island with Jellale Robinson. That’s bad business. You don’t want that. So, I don’t think the Cowboys are going to travel very much. I don’t see this being a game where the Cowboys do a whole bunch of man stuff simply because the Giants have a lot of, you know, secondary type wide receiver guys that can beat up on, you know, certain matchups. You don’t want Donovan Wilson in man too much or uh, you know, something like that. Uh, you you say Hooker’s good to go. Hooker. Yeah. See, this is where, and I was going to bring up this point, though, Hooker’s toe. It seems to be everything will be okay. I was told really not to worry about that, but we’ll see how the week goes along with him. Uh but the thing that you have to be a little bit concerned about with the Cowboys this week is you did give up a 51 yard pass, you know, on a uh on a on a play that, you know, Elim where the safety got held in the middle of the field where Hooker got held. And the Giants are probably looking at that and thinking, okay, we can get Yeah, we could get Sllayton. Uh you know, we could get Hyatt out there. Uh you maybe get neighbors. you get something vertical in this game where all of a sudden that the safety play and if they’re going to throw the ball down the field or try to throw the ball down the field, this is going to be about about Hooker playing on the back end and and hopefully that ball will hang so he can go make a play. Yeah. Well, one of the brighter aspects for the Cowboys last week, at least when they improved after that weather delay, it was the secondary and some of the things that they show there. So hopefully this is a good matchup where they’re able to capitalize on that as Yeah, you get more Diggs. I mean, Diggs is It seems like Diggs is now medically cleared to play more of this football game. So, Diggs needs to be the starter with Bland and then Elim can come in and then they can move Bland inside. But they they need they need to go with Bland and Diggs and and I think that’ll be that’ll be a good combination for them. Brian, would you say that Wendell Robinson is a better player than Dodson last week? I’ I’d say so. I would think that they they do more with Robinson. his ability to move in the back field, his ability to catch the screens, his ability to get down the field. Third down, they throw the ball to him, they get bunch formation and throw the ball to him wide. I don’t see a lot of third down throws going to dots and that that that home run ball was a was a was probably a once a oneoff play for them. Sure. But I I think it got Dallas’s attention or at least the Giants attention like, okay, if they’re gonna if we could hold the safety in the middle of the field with a route and then run something on one-on-one. I think it’s a bit more difficult at going against Diggs and Bland. You know, Elim probably something that they felt like that they could match up if they could and win that one the right way. True. Well, you guys just talked about Neighbors and his ability to catch contested balls and the skills that he has, but also tying in the quarterback pressure, the what you guys mentioned, this being a game where where the defensive line can generate those pressure. Is this a game where you guys potentially foresee the ability to get more interceptions, get more turnovers, generate those turnovers for this defense? Yeah, because Russell’s gonna push the ball downfield when he’s not checking it down. But you you have to earn deep ball, right, Brian? So, so what they’re going to do is a bunch of play action stuff. And it’s weird how much play action and stuff that they ran when the run game didn’t work at all. The Giants got a lot to figure out over there. But, uh, what you have to do is come up and tackle those guys first and then when Russell throws the ball downfield, that’s going to give you an opportunity to, um, catch, you know, catch some picks. I don’t I don’t really see Russell giving you too much to honestly Brian this may sound a little crazy. I thought Jamus will probably be a better option than Russ cuz at least Jamus will let it rip a little bit more over the middle of the field kind of kind of kind of places where you’re like missing at or whatever. Uh but Russell Wilson short stuff come up and tackle you’ll be fine. Even if we don’t get picks this game, e e even if you don’t get picks and Russell decides to be safe with the game or uh with the ball or he decides to run and not take sacks or whatever or just throw the ball away, I can live with another game of not getting picks as long as you know Russell’s not tearing it up downfield. Yeah. The thing about too is Russ on the one of the runs he had to the outside there down on the goal line and he tried to run it in and got whacked and then fumbled fumbled the ball. So, you know, attack him in the pocket, knock that ball out of his hand. uh you know, but also if he’s going to scramble, you know, put a good put a good hit on him and maybe get that ball to get loose. How was that the only time or were there other times in that first game of them kind of I just kind of Yeah. I just kind of thought that he wasn’t very accurate throwing the ball and so there were a lot of overthrows. So if he overthrows in the middle of field, that’s where you’re going to make your plays. Yeah. You know, if the safety play if he But they just don’t throw they just didn’t throw a lot of passes to the middle of field. Everything seemed to me was outside the numbers. Either check down or outside the numbers. Can he miss to the sideline and and hit Pam Oliver? It sound like I’m like I’m joking, but the ball will really fly past the sideline for real. Like so yeah, Russell Russell got issues over there. It is what it is. Poor Russell. I used to love him so much. Uh at the beginning of his career, Russell’s Russell’s my age now, you know, so it is what it is. Well, with that we end the show, today’s show. I don’t know if there was anything additional that you guys wanted to mention before. Brian, you said we’re nominated for an award. What’ you say? Yeah, you I’m not on my show today on the GBag Nation. Uh listen today at uh 5:30 Central time and you will hear Amber and Vos are nominated. Hear my laugh. You they’re nominated. Our show the break got nominated for an award at 5:30 today. If you want to listen to 1053 the I believe in us. I believe in you. I think I think there’s a good possibility this thing’s going five time. I think so. I think so. All right. Well, with that we end today’s show for Vach Lombardi, Brian Bradis, and Garcia. This has been The Break on dallascowboys.com/radio. This has been a production of DallasCowboys.com and the Dallas Cowboys Football

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