San Jose’s Defensive LOGJAM Forces Tough Choices | Will Ferraro or Liljegren Survive?

San Jose’s Defensive LOGJAM Forces Tough Choices | Will Ferraro or Liljegren Survive?

The Sharks have a lot of new names on the blue line. How do they sort this out in training camp? You’re Locked On Sharks, your daily podcast on the San Jose Sharks, part of the Locked On podcast network, your team every day. Hello, welcome to Locked on Sharks, the premier hockey podcast covering your favorite team in the Bay Area. My name is JD Young, Caretaker of the Reef, my blog about the San Jose Sharks with a focus on Sharks prospects, uh, as well as the co-host of Locked On NHL. I want to thank you for making Locked on Sharks your first listen. Proudly part of Locked On. We cover your team every day. And if you want to be an everyday, all you have to do just follow along wherever you get podcast. And of course, you can watch on YouTube as well. And today we’re going to be looking at the defensive uh battles heading into training camp as the Sharks have potentially four new names on the blue line when it comes to opening night. Uh so we’re going to get to know who the players in here. uh who I think is got a good chance of maybe making the roster, who’s got some work to do, how’s the Sam Dickinson factor uh can change everything, and how the Sharks might try to alleviate uh the log jam. So, before we get to all that, do want to let you guys know that today’s episode is brought to you by FanDuel. Download the FanDuel app now by visiting fandal.com and win $300 in bonus bets if your first $5 bet wins. All right. Uh I know this episode right with with the uh Misa news coming out on you know Wednesday. We had a Wednesday night episode for that. This episode kind of coming out a little bit later you know Thursday morning here. I know we typically do things Thursday uh at night, but wanted to give the Misa episode some time to breathe, right? So, uh doing things here a little bit. We’ll have a normal episode or your Friday episode will be out late third, you know, Thursday night, normal time, uh where we will break down the Sharks, uh you know, rookie face off, all that fun stuff. So, um but you know, we we spent a good chunk of this week looking at the different training camp battles, right? First day we looked at the top six battles and who’s going to kind of get that last spot there. Uh we looked at rookies who are going to be pushing for a a spot and then on Wednesday we looked at kind of the bottom six and all the different names in there and how it can kind of work itself out. Um and today we going to look at the blue line and because there is a lot of names for not a lot of spots, right? Um, the way Mike Greer aggressively tried to upgrade the the blue line this year, which is something that was one of his goals, right, coming out of uh after the season ended, one of the first things he said was, “We have to we got to work on the the blue line. We can’t have as many goals going in the back of our net. We need this is an area of concern for us.” So, Mike Greer went out and he signed Dimmitri Orb to a two-year deal at $6.5 million. He also signed John Clingberg uh to a one-year deal at $4 million. Uh Orlav has a full node trade clause this season and then that opens up to a 15 team trade clause for next year. Uh John Clingberg has a uh no trade clause until January 30th and then it kicks into a 14 team trade no trade. So basically allows Clingbird to kind of stay here until the trade deadline and then the Sharks can move him as well. Um they also acquired Nick Ley uh off of waiverss. Of course uh Nick Ley had a uh no uh had a 16 team trade list. We’re very much assuming the Sharks were on the no trade uh part of that list. But just like we saw last year with Barkley Goodroy was placed on waiverss. Shs had the first waiver claim and they claimed Nick Lety. So that’s three new faces that you fully expect to be on this team. Uh right because Mike Greer went out of his way to acquire these guys. Of course you have uh returning players Mario Ferraro uh who is entering the last year of his contract. Timothy Lilligrren who the Sharks acquired uh early last season from the Toronto Maple Leaves. both these guys uh actually basically everybody but Orlav is in the final year of their deals. Um you have Vincent Darese who the Sharks acquired at the trade deadline last year uh who’s entering uh he’s got $2 million on his deal and then you have Shakira Mukadullan who signed a one-year deal at a million dollars and uh very much feels like a prove it type of year for Muk Madulan. Uh, and then finally, you have Jack Thompson, uh, who’s kind of expected to be who Puck Pedia has him on the roster, but is a player who is, uh, going to be fighting for a a a spot here. Um, and then I would be remissed not to mention uh, Luca Canyone, who uh, played last season kind of played last season mostly in the AHL, got some NHL games as well, and is going to be a guy I think also pushing for a job here as well. And of course, the 11th overall pick from the 2024 draft, Sam Dickinson. We’re going to spend more time talking about Dick Dickinson in the second segment. So, like, yes, we’ll get we’ll get to the fireworks factory that is Sam Dickinson. I promise you. Um, but you look at kind of all these guys here, right? You know, for sure Lety Clingberg, um, Orlav 100% going to be on the opening night roster, right? Um, you have Ferraro, Luligrin, you would expect unless something happens. Then you have Muka Madullan who played very well. Um, like the Sharks believe in Muk Madulan. They want Mukban take a bigger role. Um, they’re, you know, like we saw Mukban play very well for the Sharks before his injury last season. Um, had a little bit of an up and down year last year. Um, but you you know he’s a guy that you expect to be on the Sharks roster. So, we’re at six right now before we get to Vinnie Day who’s a quality, you know, seven defenseman type of player. And then you have Jack Thompson who showed some flashes last year and and has split time between the AHL and the NHL and is probably at that point where, you know, he needs to kind of play NHL games at a more consistent rate. uh to continue his development. Um you’re you’re right there at eight defenseman before we even get to Sam Dickinson and Luca Canyone. So there is a a lot of guys kind of competing for these six spots, right? And again, right like Orlav, Flety, Clingberg all feel like locks to play every night. um as long as they’re healthy because again Mike Greer went out of his way to acquire these guys. And Ferraro has been, you know, a staple for the Sharks over, you know, I think he’s entering his seventh season now with with San Jose. He’s the longest tenure uh Shark at at this point now that uh Vic has been bought out and is no longer with the team. And you know, Lil Jiggrren is, you know, right-handed defenseman. And the Sharks don’t have a ton of those kind of, you know, players that those kind of puck moving right-handed defenseman. Like there’s going to have to be some really tough decisions here on just who plays every night, right? Because um you know, who are you taking out and who are you trying to put in because you can make valid cases for all these players here. Um, you know, Orlav’s going to be probably the number one defenseman and John Clingberg’s gonna uh most likely run the power play and as a right-handed shot and the Sharks need uh you know, if they’re trying to balance the lines a little bit like Clingberg’s going to get a fair amount of time. Um Lety who’s a left-handed guy but can easily play both sides of the ice. um you know like and he’s I know last year wasn’t the greatest year for him but was kind of coming off an injury and maybe rushed back a little bit too quickly. Um like there’s there’s and you know Muka Madan who’s a guy just like we talked about with Jack Thompson who needs to be playing more and showed a lot last season in his limited time. I I I do think the Sharks are going to have to eventually make a decision here and potentially move somebody because you just got too many bodies here. And I don’t know if you’re going to be able to accommodate all these players. And yes, there’s going to be attrition because of injuries and such, but um that’s just that’s just the way of life of of you know, the NHL is that players get injured, unfortunately. and you’re not going to have all, you know, six or seven guys for all 82 games and having depth is nice, but um I just think the trucks have too many players and that’s even before we get to the Sam Dickinson of it all. So, uh we’re going to discuss kind of where Sam Dickinson fits. Uh especially now that the Sharks have signed Michael Misa, how they’re going to have to maybe potentially kind of work through this a little bit. Uh, and then we’re going to kind of look at guys who might be on the uh the outside looking in here. Uh, so we’ll get to that in just one second. The NFL season is here and FanDuel is making sure you’re ready for kickoff with a can’tmiss offer. Right now, new customers can bet just $5. 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If you haven’t yet, perfect time to subscribe. uh with training camp next week. We have rookie tournament uh starting this weekend. Uh so make sure you’re following along wherever you get podcasts. And if you haven’t started following on YouTube, now’s the perfect time to subscribe. Uh so again, wherever you’re listening, subscribe on YouTube, uh we’re going to enjoy a really fun Shark season this year. So, um, Sam Dickinson, right, the 11th overall pick in the 2024 draft, um, had himself a season last year in the OHL, right? Um, won the O, you know, helped lead London to back-to-back OHL championships, regular season and postseason. So, got that all taken care of. um led helped lead them to a Memorial Cup win, was named the OHL defenseman of the year over like guys like Zayn Perk was named the CHL defenseman of the year over guys uh you know like every CHL defenseman. Um, and Dickinson is is a player who, you know, we know unfortunately is kind of stuck in that AHL, but like that that void of I can’t play in the AHL because of my age. I can either play in the NHL or play in the OHL. Especially right now, we we don’t know the ruling on the uh potential, you know, kind of uh applying the new CBA rule that would allow each team to pick one player to play uh in the uh in the AHL as a 19-year-old. And until we hear more, the assumption is this rule is probably not going to be put into effect until next year. But if it happens, like Sam Dickinson is the player that you pick because it makes the most sense. But um Dickinson, you know, is clearly too good to be playing uh playing in the OHL. Um and needs to be challenged now. And you know, since he signed his ELC last year before all the rules changed with the NCAA uh CHL, like we’re in the wild west right now kind of trying to figure things out with with some of these rules. Um, Dickson, unfortunately, he’s stuck between he can either play in the NHL or he has to go back to the OHL. I’m I’m still very much in the like Dickinson sticks around camp. Uh, because I think the Sharks want Dickinson to succeed. Uh, and they want to put him and they in a position to succeed and I think they want him to um be around and be a professional hockey player, right? um he’s, you know, gone on and said, you know, he’s put on about five pounds of muscle this off seasonason to try to get ready to play NHL games. you know, he mentioned that before the rookie tournament uh when he met with reporters on on Wednesday. And um like Dickinson’s also going to make this complicated because if you feel like Dickinson is going to stick around for the NHL or the whole season, that’s nine guys. Nine guys you’re trying to kind of get in. Remember, six can play, right? 23. You have 23man roster. You have 12 forwards. Even if you just go the bare minimum of 12 forwards, two goalies, that puts you at uh 14 right there. Uh then you could, I guess, run nine defenseman, right? But that gives you no flexibility with your forwards because if somebody gets hurt, like you’re, you know, it just doesn’t give you a lot of flexibility there. So, like the Sharks ran a lot of eight defenseman, you know, where they would um have 13 forwards and eight defenseman, which is something you can you can do. Um, and that’s probably going to be the route that the Sharks take. But if Sam Dickinson is is a guy that you want to keep around, somebody’s going to be losing their job, right? And if you’re keeping Sam Dickson around, you’re not keeping him around to hang out in, you know, and hang out in the uh the press box and eat hot dogs and and watch the game. like you want him to play and even if he’s playing, you know, only 15 minutes a night or something like that, uh, which I kind of expect, especially early on, is to be very sheltered 15 minutes a night, you you still want him to play and and get experience because like the things Sam Dickson needs to work on um, which are, you know, getting used to the NHL speed, uh, quick, you know, making sure his reaction time is quicker, kind of that processing time, all that stuff he has to work on by playing against faster, bigger, stronger competition that he’s not going to get in the OHL. So, if Dickinson’s playing, you’re losing at least one spot where if that was your seventh defenseman, you know, um just to get Dickinson on the roster or seventh or eighth defenseman just to get Dickson on your roster. And then you’re losing potentially another spot where you’re just a guy, you know, a guy who would normally be playing every night is going to be losing his job because they want to get Sam Dickinson. And of course, the Sharks should want to get Sam Dickinson um to play because I mean like you know, Orlav, Ley, Klingberg, none of these guys are going to be like long-term pieces as those guys are all 33 and older. Um it’s weird. Clingber is the youngest out of all those guys. It’s not by much, but still it feels like Clingberg’s been around the longest. But anyway, and then Ferraro and Ligren are both UFAS after this season. You’re probably have to make a decision on one, if not both of these guys if you want to move off of them sooner rather than later or if you want to keep them around. And the Sharks should try to keep at least one around because again, the Sharks have one defenseman under contract next year. And then you also have Muka Mulan and Jack Thompson who both are young players who need to play to try to get better, right? So the Sharks are going to be in a really tough situation with Dickinson around and even if this is just for the first nine games and they’re like, “Hey Sam, like you did a great job, but we feel like it’s best for you to go back to the OL like you know, we want you to work on X, Y, and Z. Go have fun in London. see you, you know, we’ll see you uh we’ll see you next next fall, right? Fine, but still like that that’s a lot of roster juggling. And if the Starks do decide to keep him all season, which is again I I still think that’s probably where they’re leaning as of right now, at least that’s the plan. And then if Dickinson just plays badly in the preseason and his first nine games, right, then you kind of like your hands are tied that you have to send him back. But if he plays well, right, and very very possible Tim Dickens just plays well because he’s a good player, right? He you didn’t pick him 11th overall and he wasn’t considered one of like he was remember Sam Dickinson was thought to be a top six or seven pick in that draft and he fell to the Sharks at 11. Uh, and Mike Greer, you know, when I I literally asked Mike Greer, did you think Dickinson was going to be there? And he said, no. Like, we didn’t think Dickinson was going to be there at 11, even after they moved up from 14 to 11, right? To try to get whoever was left over in that uh that those defenseman, they didn’t think Dickinson was going to be there. So, if Dickinson is is here and you you trying to kind of nurture this this kid and going through a full season as a 19-year-old defenseman in the NHL, which is uh extremely hard, like you there’s a reason why you don’t see a lot of young defenseman like this in the NHL because it it’s extremely hard, right? Uh because you can’t shelter it’s harder to shelter them. It’s not like, you know, a forward where you can kind of put them out there for um, you know, and kind of hide them a little bit uh with with their kind of usage and stuff. Like you can do that a little bit, but um, you know, if Dickinson makes a mistake, it’s basically it’s on Ascarov or Nadelkovich to try to fix it, right? If Will Smith or Michael Misa or whoever makes a mistake in the forward group, you still have a line of defenseman, right, who can hopefully kind of help cover some of those mistakes. If Dickinson makes a mistake, there’s not a lot of help, right? You are the help basically with Dickinson. So, um, it’s going to be it’s going to be very interesting to see how Mike Greer navigates this. Mike Greer and Ryan Warovski navigate this. So, we’re going to look at some potential options for the Sharks to try to kind of navigate this and which players um may be which players I’m kind of circling as like you’re you may not be playing with San you may not be playing in the NHL or with San Jose uh here pretty soon. So, we’ll get to that in just one second. Most people can’t name all their financial accounts or even what they’re worth, whether it’s their 401ks, properties, or investments. And when you don’t have the full picture, you can end up leaving money on the table. That’s why there’s Monarch Money. It’s an all-in-one personal finance tool that brings your entire financial life together in one clean, easy to use interface on your laptop or your phone. Monarch is built for people with busy lives. And if you put off organizing your finances, Monarch is for you. Mark does the heavy lifting for you. 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For your second listen, uh one, go check out my Michael Misa uh episode since you’re going to have like three episodes in like a 36 hour period. Um for your second listen though, also go check out Locked on NHL podcast. No offseason. Bringing you daily leaguewise stories that matter the most with local coverage you love from Locked On. Find Locked on NHL on YouTube wherever you listen to podcast. All right, so we got a lot of dudes here, right? And the nice thing is all these guys with the exception of of Orv are in the last year of their deal. So, it’s not like you’re trying to, you know, uh, work off some complicated trades with guy like this isn’t the Eric Carlson trade, right? Where where you’re got a guy who’s got four years left with a bajillion dollars of caps. Like, this is not complicated. So, I think the easy dec well the easy move first I think is to try to get Vinnie Donna’s waved and get him down to the AHL. Now, the Sharks would have to carry some cap space with that because you can have uh basically you can bury $1.15 million of your cap uh space when you send a guy down to the AHL. Whatever is left over stays on your salary, your NHL salary cap. And the good thing is like the Sharks don’t have to worry about cap space, right? You have you’re say you have a nice cushion away from from the floor and you have plenty of space to the ceiling, especially after the carry price trade. like that was why they did the carry price trade because you don’t have to kind of worry about hitting that floor and especially uh if the Sharks trade off pieces sooner or later. So Vinnie Dones, I’m trying to wave and get down to the AHL. And if somebody claims Vinnie Dese, okay, that’s fine. Pro one problem solved as you’re clearing. The Sharks still need to clear at least one contract before Misa and Dickinson play 10 NHL games. So there there’s going to be a trade if Misa and Dickinson are are both in the NHL and expect him to be in the NHL all season long. There’s going to have to be a trade at some point where one of these NHL contracts uh is going to get traded. Who is it? plenty of we can plenty of options. But Vinnie De is a guy I think you can clear waivers like I think he can go through waiverss and he can go play in the AHL where he can kind of help some of these young defenseman right and the Sharks do have uh don’t really have a lot of like raw like veteran AHL defenseman on there like you have Lucas Carlson and Cole Clayton are like your veteran guys. everybody else is, you know, um like Hav’s in his first year. Uh Ken Yoni is going to be in his second year, Furong’s in his second year. Um you know, you you’ve got not a lot of veterans down there. So, I wouldn’t be surprised if trying to get a guy like Vinnie Dees down there makes sense. You can also potentially wave the same thing with Jack Thompson. Now, Thompson though is on a much, you know, we talked about the other day, $800,000 contract, also younger and a right-handed defenseman. So, there’s that potential somebody might try to snag him, right? And maybe he clears, maybe he doesn’t. Who knows? But he that would be a decision, a tough decision. And I would much rather lose a guy like Vinnie Deise who’s again a perfectly cromulent six or seventh defenseman over a guy like Jack Thompson who still hasn’t still kind of scratching the surface of of who he could be, right? Um so I think that’s that’s you know some decisions you’re going to have to make there to try to kind of get a veteran down there, right? We assume Muka Madan like if Mukad went on waiver, somebody’s 100% grabbing him because he’s a good player. Um, I think you have to make like realistically I think you have to make a decision on Ferraro and Lilrin because again both these players are in the last year of their deals and you know I think on a good team both these guys are probably like fourth or fifth defenseman right and you know we’ve talked at Nauseium about Ferraro you know on this like the life of this podcast of how Ferraro has been a guy who the Sharks have unfortunately had to kind of push up the depth chart because they just don’t have enough guys around him, right? And um whether that ruined his development or whatever, like I’m not here for that conversation today. It’s it’s it’s Mario Ferraro is who Mario Ferrar is at this point, right? Um and if he would have gotten better or worse, who knows, right? But I do think you you need to make a decision on a guy like Ferraro or a guy like Timothy Luligrin and what their future is in San Jose long term. And if you feel like one or both or neither is going to be in San Jose, um you need I think it would behoove you to make that move sooner rather than later, right? Um, and I’m just going to pick on Ferrari here, for example. Like, uh, but both these players are kind of in the same boat, especially with the new rules where you can, uh, you know, you can only, well, I guess it wouldn’t really matter because the Sharks wouldn’t be hopefully would not be retaining, um, because I’m saving that retention slot for Alex Wenberg, spoiler. But if you wanted to move the a player like a Ferraro or a Ligren, doing it early in the season to give a new team some flexibility where if they wanted to try to pull off a you know uh kind of trading while holding on to some you know retaining especially with the new 75day rule now it does make it a little bit tougher for some of these trades. So you do wonder if maybe teams like a team maybe who’s not in contention right now um would be interested in a guy like a Ferraro or a guy like Lilrin who you might be able to move later on um and and try to get retention you know kind of deal with some of the retention stuff there but um and unfortunately for Canyone who like I love Canyon I think they’re going to like stay in the AHL like this blue line is yours right now because you’re I think you’re clearly the best defenseman. Um, and then once John Clingberg gets traded, like that’ll be like the Clingberg spot will just be handed to the to Luca Ken Yoni basically. So, um, we’ll know how Mike Greer feels about Sam Dickinson, his chances to kind of not only make the roster, but stick on the roster by how aggressive he is at moving some of these pieces, moving a piece or two out, uh, to try to kind of clear up the space for Dick, a guy like Dickinson to play. But I’m still very much I think the Sharks find a way as as as weird as it’s going to be to have potentially four 20 year olds or younger on the roster, right? Will Smith is 20, Dickinson and Cabbrini are both 19 and Michael Misa is 18. Um I for the like the the future of the organiza like just getting these guys playing and playing together. I think uh for a team that we know is going to uh not be competing getting through some of these rookie bumps and bruises right now and what I think is a better roster than what we have last year and especially on the blue line. I I think the Sharks will be able to manage it and figure it out. So that’s still that’s my opinion. I think Sam Dickson sticks around. I think um you’ll see some movement from a guy like Vinnie Deernes. Maybe a team wants a guy like Vinnie Deernes for their seventh defenseman. Uh, and then I I think making a decision decision with between um guys like Ferraru and Lilrin and kind of what you want to do there. I think that’s kind of your path to getting Dickinson if uh Dickinson in and playing every night. So, uh we’ll be back uh for tomorrow’s episode where we’ll get you guys ready for the rookie faceoff. So, we’ll go through kind of the roster, get you guys kind of uh up to speed on that. what to kind of take away from this, what not to get over excited about. Um, so plenty of of fun stuff and then we’ll have some reactions this weekend from uh what happens because we’re going to have actual hockey on Friday night for the first time in forever. Uh, so make sure you’re following along wherever you get podcast and of course you can watch on YouTube as well. Follow the show on Twitter, Facebook, and Instagram and on Tik Tok uh at Lockdown Sharks. Follow me on Twitter and Blue Sky Fryhole. Uh, until tomorrow. Bye, friends.

The San Jose Sharks’ defensive lineup is undergoing a major overhaul. Will these changes propel the team to new heights or lead to growing pains?

JD Young breaks down Mike Grier’s aggressive moves to upgrade the blue line, including key signings Dmitry Orlov and John Klingberg. He analyzes the fierce competition for roster spots, with returning players like Mario Ferraro and Timothy Liljegren battling against new acquisitions.

The spotlight shines on Sam Dickinson, the Sharks’ 11th overall pick in the 2024 draft. Young explores Dickinson’s readiness for the NHL and the potential ripple effects on the roster. He also examines strategies to accommodate young talents like Dickinson and Michael Misa, considering options from waiving players to potential trades.

The episode concludes with a look at the Sharks’ long-term defensive strategy, balancing veteran experience with promising youth. How will this mix shape the team’s rebuilding efforts?

Tune in for an in-depth analysis of the Sharks’ defensive transformation and its impact on their upcoming season.

Timestamps:
0:00 Intro: Sharks’ defensive battles in training camp
5:06 New acquisitions and returning defensemen
13:19 Sam Dickinson’s situation and roster implications
22:00 Potential roster moves to accommodate prospects

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