Josh Giddey Got PAID, What Must He Prove for Chicago Bulls? | CHGO Bulls Podcast

Josh Giddey Got PAID, What Must He Prove for Chicago Bulls? | CHGO Bulls Podcast

What up, Bulls Nation? We’ve got a fresh CSGO Bulls coming up for you all right around the corner. On today’s show, a few interesting rule changes announced by the league today. Adam Silver talking about a few of them. Plus, now that we know the Josh Giddy contract, four years 100 mil, we’re going to take a look at the Bulls books for the coming years and their c flexibility. Plus, now that he’s secured the bag, what do we want to see from Josh Giddy in the 2526 Chicago Bulls season? We’ll set our goals for him next. [Music] Get down. [Music] What’s going on, Bulls Nation? Welcome in to the CHO Bulls podcast. Coming to you live from our studios here in West Loop, downtown Chicago. I’m PC Bulls Peek. That’s Big Dave. Bam. Bam. BWL sports will the goaly perfectly qua will go and queen of the controls back with us today. She was with us behind the scenes yesterday but back the physical presence in the flesh queen kitty. What up kitty? Hi. Whoa. Even though you were with us helping produce from afar yesterday’s show the breaking news. Uh I I’m happy that you are now back with us in the office. You know I’m happy to be with you guys. I’m also exhausted. So, um, you know, it’s mixed feelings. That’s what RC Cola is for. I know. I got one. I got one. I got my two-day old salad. We’re good to go. I told you to throw that in the trash. Uh, guys, we got some big news in the CHDO world last night. The three pete has been accomplished. CHCO softball just won their third consecutive championship in the Cup Media League last night. Give it up. Give it up for them. Uh, shout out to our guy Mario, CHO Blackhawks, holding it down all season long. Of course, their fearless leader Karm from CHO Bears. So, the pressure is on now, guys. Yeah, the CHO softball team. Three Pete champions. Yeah, the pressure has been put on AK to get that four pete of playin participants. They matched three Pete for three Pete. Yeah, the pressure is on AK now to get that four Pete. That’s That’s fair. Um, well, fair for you, I’ll say. Uh, but congratulations to them, man. To Karm. I still remember that first year uh when when they lost Matt to Allstar year. Shout out to him. My one and only season. Yeah. Allstar. Like he he was giving his all out there. Um I still remember Jay Williams of the CHO softball team. That’s correct. I still remember because guys, they played really hard. Um had a playoff win as well if I don’t forget. They definitely won a playoff game. But coming in the next season, I just remember Karm when he took over, man. He he was dead set on getting that trophy and winning that title and accomplished it, then did it again, and then did it one more time. So, Karm is awesome. Karm is amazing. He did a excellent, excellent job. I feel like he now has to be up there with the great GMs in all of Chicago. For sure. Yes. Without a doubt. Incredible work. You know, Ryan Ples said, “We’re going to take the North and never give it back.” Turned out that was a bunch of BS because the Bears are three and 16 under Ryan Ples and K was like, “No, we’re going to take the Cup Media League trophy and never give it back. Never give it back.” And so far, he is true to his word. Shout out to him, man. Shout out. He’s done an incredible job. Um, all right. Before we dive into uh some more Josh Giddy talk today, wanted to make note of a couple of changes uh league rules-wise. We’ll start with this one, which I’m a fan of. The league is no longer going to count like half court or beyond heaves in the final seconds of a quarter as a field goal attempt for the player if it is missed. It will count instead as a missed field goal attempt for the team. Mhm. I’m thinking the league did this to try to incentivize players to let it fly if you got the ball in your hand with a second left because we have started to see players hold on to that ball and not get those heaves up be for for the sake of their field goal percentage. Yes. which like you know it’s not like you got heav opportunities all the time but hey I mean Josh Giddy’s was fourth quarter of a of a one possession game so yeah he’s going to let that he fly but think of all like the ridiculous shots Nicole Joic has made in the last handful of years because he doesn’t care and he’s like I’m just going to chuck this onehanded from my own baseline and what do you know it went in. I like this rule change because maybe we’ll see more of that from lots of players. I love it. Um cuz that’s one of the cool things, you know, about the league is you never know what can happen when that ball leaves your hand. It’s a 50/50 shot and like I think that’s why guys obviously stop because they’re thinking about their stats and all that other stuff now. But now there’s no thought to it. Now you just go ahead and you take your shot and you do it. Uh Kobe White, I I said originally that he was leading. That was incorrect. Uh shout out my man Drew Stevens. Um he is tied for fifth in half court heaves with eight and the fact that it was eight he’s tied is still like guys aren’t doing this a lot man but yeah man like it’s cool I think we’ll see more of it I’m looking forward to seeing more of that kind of thing. Yeah, I mean it’s just like add excitement to the game. Like it’s sick when somebody makes a half court shot at the buzzer. Like that’s objectively an awesome thing. And you’ve seen guys like Peyton Pritchard, uh Kobe was, as you mentioned, like one of the league leaders last year. Uh Joic does obviously Steph. Like those are exciting plays and like making it easier to get more of that in the action. I mean there’s there’s four buzzers at the end of every at the end of every quarter. may as well add more excitement to the game that way. And like it’s not like they are doing anything to encourage it, but it’s like removing uh the deccentivized version of it. And so um I think it’s great. I think more guys should shoot. I’ve always said that and uh I I think this is going to lead to, you know, it’s not going to like necessarily lead to like people shooting 40% on heaves, but like you’ll see them more often. And uh as Adam Silver just said, it’s a highlight league. So that that adds to it. That’s true. Uh shout out to our guy Paul Sorson in the chat who said totally good rule change. Uh adding I want to see more Stacy King getting the vapors this season. Uh referencing I’m assuming him you know calling out for Elizabeth when Josh getting hit that shot. Uh Travis Mcnite saying giddy buzzer was so epic the NBA said give us more. Fish saying that’s a good one. Um it’s a good one. It’s I think it’s a good rule. Attek is saying good rule especially for smaller volume guys. Yeah, if guys are only getting up a few shots a game, they might be a little hesitant to let fly on a heave if they find the ball uh in their hands in the final seconds of a quarter. So, I like that. The other rule change or I guess this this isn’t really a rule change, but the other thing I made note of is the the NBA cup. They’re going to not do the semi-finals and championship game in Vegas anymore. They’re just going to do the championship game, okay, in Vegas. Okay. um or in some neutral location, perhaps not Vegas, but probably Vegas. And the semi-final games will just be played by whichever team is decided to have home court in those semi-final matchups. Okay. Uh I don’t care. You You can’t make me care about the NBA’s in season cup, whatever the hell it’s called now. Emirates, whoever. Emirates Cup. There you go. I don’t care. Yeah. I don’t care where the games are played. I don’t care. I I I shake fist to cloud. I don’t care. You can’t make me care about this stupid, meaningless tournament. I like the tournament. Uh I think it’s been very successful with how they’ve kind of done it. Like guys have really cared about it. Matt doesn’t, but the guys on the court have definitely cared because money talks at at the end of the day. And guys are going to use this as bragging rights in some capacity. The more this goes on and the longer in length of time that they’re doing this, it’s going to become some sort of bragging right, you know, for guys. like the same way as winning like an All-Star game MVP is, but getting an extra check is never nothing to not get excited about. I don’t care how much money you got. So, yeah, it and I feel like they kind of done it right. There’s of course some things that they’ve tweaked incorrectly. Um, a couple people complained about their retinas burning when the Bulls were doing it on on the court with all the red that was being shown. So, yeah, they can change up those kind of things. But, but overall, yeah, I think it’s a cool thing. Yeah. And I think it’s like a pretty minor change just because like it’s basically you’re giving an extra home game to the teams that make it to the semi-finals, but obviously they’re still going to be playing the finals in Vegas, which is the 83rd game for the two teams that make it there. So, it’s really a minor adjustment. The one thing I’ll say is like I think a lot of the players were getting excited about the opportunity to play two games in Vegas and so now obviously you’d have to make it all the way to the finals, but like that’s reduced down to one. So, um I don’t know, but but also like that I’m sure the teams and the owners are happy because now they get an extra day game of gate revenue. So, great point. Um I tend to agree with Matt like I don’t really have a huge opinion about this either way, but those are kind of the two things I thought about when I saw the news. No, that’s a very good point. I didn’t think of Yeah, more money kind of in the owner’s pocket, but and it also like you it’s not rewarding a semi-finalist by going to Vegas either. You know what I mean? Like no, bro. You going you want to come out here, you got to get to the championship game to come out here. we’re not going to give you an extra, you know, time out here, bro. So, yeah, I think it’s a cool thing. Uh, there was also talk from, uh, NBA Commissioner Adam Silver about adjusting NBA All-Star weekend format again. So, I went again and I met the president of the United States again. Must have had me about 14 to 15 Dr. Pepp. Okay. Um, they’re going to they’re talking writer. They’re talking writer. Yeah, I don’t understand that right now. You don’t know four is gum, Katie. I’ve seen bits and pieces. I have for the love of God. Sorry. No. What else is new? Um, they’re talking RDER Cup like golf style now having three teams, two USA teams and one international team. Okay. And doing like a little mini tournament between those three teams somehow as opposed to the other plan that was like, well, we’re going to have teams of eight. 24 Allstars, teams of eight, mini semi-final championship thing, which is Isn’t that what they tried this past season? Yeah. I I was when we talked about it on Friday with Cret Fred. Yeah. I said like it’s funny cuz the last Allstar game, I really don’t have a recollection of I sat and watched it. I still don’t have a recollection of it. And again, just like where where are they playing the inseason cup games and shake fist of cloud? I’m going to shake fist cloud again. The players just need to care. I’m sick of it. That’s the solution. They keep trying it to tinker around and do these new creative things to make All-Star game better. The way to make it better is for the players to care which team wins. And that is clearly never going to happen ever again. So, we got to deal with this nonsense. Yeah. I mean, I as I said, uh we kind of dove into this on Friday. Like, I think it’s good that they’re trying new stuff out because what they’ve been doing isn’t working. So, I I think they’ll just continue to like work through ideas until they find something that works. They’ll see how long it works and then they’ll go to the next thing. So, I I just think that’s the nature of the All-Star game right now. And um you know, it just kind of is what it is. Yeah, true indeed. Uh any any other news or notes from the Adam Silver talking and such? Uh there was something about the uh Steve Balmer aspiration Kawi Leonard thing. Oh, right. He said Silver said he’d never heard of the company. He said he had never heard of the company, but he also kind of said like, I think anybody did, you know, people jumped to conclusions and that we’re going to do an investigation. It like the information did warrant a third party investigation, so they’re going to be using uh some big fancy New York law firm to like do that. Um, but one thing that he said that was interesting to me was that like the burden of proof is still on the league to find any wrongdoing as opposed to the team to prove that there wasn’t. And so, um, I think that’s kind of interesting just cuz it seemed like pretty damning evidence that like, you know, whether Balmer knew about it or not, the team was funneling money to Kawaii to circumvent the cap. Uh, so they’ll obviously go through and figure out exactly what happens there. But I did want to point out that like a lot of people are talking about the the penalties, the punishment, the sanctions that the Clippers could get, whether it’s voiding Kawhai’s contract or finding them, you know, five first round draft picks or whatever it may be. Like to me all that stuff just like penalizes the Clippers fans and it makes it harder for the Clippers to build a team. Now if what Pablo Tori found and you know wrote was true that they cheated then they absolutely should be punished for it. But to me don’t punish the fans like punish the owner. So to me it’s like make him sell the team or like ban him as an owner but like don’t don’t make it impossible for the Clippers to ever be good because that alienates the fan base and that’s not good for the league either. M. So clearly Jerry and Michael need to take a page out of that playbook. Okay. Then the league’s punishment is forced to sell. I love this idea. Let’s make it happen, Captain. But I that was my thought. I was like, you know, Jerry and all the other non- taxpaying owners are probably ticked off about this true also if it’s true. Yeah. Because the, you know, the volume of tax dollars paid from taxpaying teams to non- taxpaying teams would be bigger, right? Had they been following those books, luxury tax. Exactly. More luxury tax money means a bigger payout for the non- taxpaying teams at the end of the season. Jerry’s probably knocking down Balmer’s door like, “Yo, where’s my money? Pay me. Where’s my money? Pay me.” We got to knock out a couple of ads when we come back. We’re going to dive into Josh Giddy’s contract, which got done yesterday, and take a look at the Bulls cap and their books and how it will impact their free agency availability moving forward. Hit the like button for Katie Mhm. while you listen to some ads. Today’s show is brought to you by RC Cola. Let’s be real for a second. The world has gone soft. Everybody’s getting trophies for going to the playing tournament. 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Peek, Big Dave, goat, Katie on the controls. Thank you, Greg. Greg’s loudly clapping in the background. Yeah. Wait. Whoa. That was he. All right. Hey, Jr. Hey guys, somebody told me today that Braggs eats salad with his hands. So, do with that what you will. Brags, you eat salads with your hands. Checks out. He doesn’t use a fork. He just uses his laugh. Bears eat with their hands and their claws. So, that that checks out. It’s basically a giant bear with less sad watching a bear eat a salad. Yes, of course. Okay, just checking. I thought it would probably not herbivores, omnivores, because they eat vegetables and things that aren’t meat. They’re not strictly carnivores. Correct. Um I’m not seeing that like I’m just walking up to a bear, slapping it out his hand. Get that out of here. Why Why would a bear eat a salad? A bear should eat a beef dipped. Shout out to beef dipped in the YouTube chat. Why you in the hospital, man? What are you talking about? All right. So, uh Josh getting contract gets done yesterday. Four years 100 million. Uh let’s take a quick look at the estimation from from uh spot track. This is not confirmed, but people uh in Bulls Nation yesterday were wondering, okay, it’s 4 years 100. Is it flat? Is it ascending? Is it descending? Estimated it is an ascending contract starting at 22.3 million in year 1 and gradually working its way up to 27.6 6 million in year 4. Or if you look at that from a percentage of the cap perspective, 14.43% of the cap in year 1, 15.17% of the cap in year 4. Goat, if these do tend do turn out to be the numbers on Josh’s contract, how does it make you feel? Um, I think it’s it’s always important to like think about these numbers, especially as the cap continues to rise, as a percentage of the cap and not as the raw numbers because $25 million is a lot of money. It’s only 14 uh 15% of the cap. Um, I’ve on my sheet actually got it a little bit uh lower as as the final year. So, I might need to do some adjusting to what the projection is for the 2829 season. Um, but at the end of the day, like this is a this is a contract that like you can build around. Um, and so that’s why like I always felt like it was a fine value deal. Like we talked about, you know, the difference between 25 and 30 and like I feel like 25 was the the absolute highest I would go. So I’m not saying like it’s a incredible value contract, but I also don’t think it’s one that like I wouldn’t have give out given out if it was like if it absolutely came down to it. Now, that’s separate from the negotiations which we talked about yesterday. I don’t feel like they fully exercised their leverage there. They could have gotten a cheaper deal, but at the end of the day, um I mean, you look at like the Magic, for example, they’ve got uh max contracts for Vagner and for Paulo. They’re paying uh Desmond Bane just under a max, which is around $40 million per year. And then Jaylen Suggs is making $30 million a year. He’s their fourth best player. So, uh it is possible to build an expensive roster. You have to be willing to pay the luxury tax. you have to be willing to um like line guys up so that you can bring in multiple big contracts and you’ve got to be willing to trade picks to bring those guys in if necessary. Uh but I don’t feel like this this number like independent of Giddy is one that is going to be like severely damaging to the long-term cap sheet. Now it’s really just about how good can he be and how do you build around him? And so those are kind of the big questions moving forward. Um especially when you factor in the idea that they could have cap space next year. How do they utilize that to bring in talent to support him? So, what would be the reasoning for an ascending contract instead of just, you know, the flat one just to give it out to I see what you’re saying. Okay. So, um most contracts are 8% annual raises. That’s like standard how NBA contracts work. Sometimes you get a flat rate contract, which is what the Bulls did with Patrick Williams. And it’s flat in the sense that Patrick’s is 18 every year, but because it’s 18 every year and the cap is rising, it’s actually going down as a percentage of the cap. So functionally it is a descending contract. Okay. Uh some teams like the Magic in Jaylen Suggs example uh get guys to sign descending deals because that helps them down the road where they’re able to have a little bit extra cap space to be able to have flexibility, make moves, whatever it may be. Um, in this case though, I do think that, you know, yes, it would have been maybe better to get descending deal, but because the Bulls are trying to be a cap space team next year, having it a little bit lower than the average con average average number of this contract, uh, I do think that helps them just because it carves out an additional what will it be? $1 million basically in cap space. So, um, not a huge deal either way. Uh but just an example of how they didn’t maybe necessarily get the most team friendly version of this deal possible. Um if it were to be descending, if it were to have a player or I’m sorry, a team option um or even go out a fifth year and have a team option on that fifth year, like sure, maybe you get the four years, but like at least you have a little bit of flexibility to have more value on the back end of it. Um and I think that’s where it falls a little bit short for me. But again, the negotiation and the value in a vacuum are different from Giddy and his value as a player. And I think that’s really where the crux of the disagreements have been for these last 72 days. Crux, let’s go. Uh, our guy fish saying, “I understand it, but it’s 2 million over 25 in year four. Not that much of an ascending deal. Might as well just float it at 25.” Um, like a flat deal because Pats was a flat 18, right? Every year, every year 18. I I I don’t think it’s that much of a difference to be, you know, worried about and again I I agree with goat like it’s more so about the percentage of the cap and that itself is not changing all that much as the cap increases and giddy’s contract value uh gradually increases as well. Um, so the other just quick uh addenum to that is that um it does make it when when it’s ascending it makes it a little bit easier to get an extension done because now as we’ve talked about a bunch like teams are not really letting players get all the way to free agency, right? And so a lot of times what happens is they just sign guys to extension and then they’ll either keep them or trade them. Uh but you don’t want to give up the control of having the guy under contract both because it’s valuable to have a salary slot in your team, but also so that you’re not losing a guy for nothing. You can trade him for additional assets uh to either reset or retool or whatever it may be. So having him having his contract end at 27 million, you’re allowed to give him um you know 140% of that compared to 140% of 25 million or if it was descending 22 or whatever whatever it is this year. Um, so it just gives them a little bit of extra wiggle room to get a full extension done at the end of it, which could be really valuable because he’s going to be 26 27 going into that uh final year of his deal. And so if you want to give him another 5-year extension, um, like it’s going to end up being the same situation that they’re in with Kobe right now where they can only offer him 140%. It’s kind of a take it or leave it situation, but that’s maybe less than uh what would be considered um like a value contract compared to the rest of the league. So, if the Bulls are trying to get a deal done in four years time to keep him, the most they can offer him is 140% of that 27.6 million that he’s that he’s finishing his contract on. So, let’s take a look uh at this outlook for the Bulls books this season, the 25 26 season now that Josh Kitty is signed, nearly officially signed. Uh he’s I think he’s flying across the globe right now to actually sign it. CGY. Uh but so with this filled in, you see basically the the last piece of the puzzle for this Bulls 15man roster and what we expected it to be this season. there is uh a team that’s going to be operating as above the cap under the tax and uh you know go what what sticks out to you when you look at these numbers. Yeah. So number one I mean Giddy’s the highest paid player on the team. I think that is uh telling as far as like yeah you may think that he is not you know that a player making $25 million a year is not like the most important player on the team. Uh but for this roster right now it is. So that’s something to think about. Um and then for this year as you mentioned Matt 16 million uh almost $17 million over the cap but still 16 million away from the tax. So a little bit of flexibility there to take in uh more money than you send out in a deal which I think could be valuable tool for them to leverage at the trade deadline if you want to. I I can’t remember exactly what percent um more you’re allowed to take in than send out in deals, but like they could do that a couple of different times with guys. If they wanted to, for example, trade an expiring contract for one that is multiple seasons, they could, you know, send out 20 million, take back like 22 or something over two years and maybe get a pick for it. So, that’s the kind of thing I think they could be looking at um or thinking about at the deadline. Um but that’s just for this year. So basically right now uh or you know theoretically they could wave someone uh and sign someone for the full mid-level exception. There’s not really anybody out there at this point though. Um so that’s kind of for this year. The roster is uh set in stone. Obviously trades can still happen. Um certainly at the deadline I think we’ll be looking into that. We’ve talked a lot about pre- agency or making a big swing. I think that should be on the table. They’ve got the expiring contracts to do so. And then if not, that really informs what you’re able to go into next off season with uh which is uh a lot of money in cap space. Uh seven contracts coming off the books. Yeah. And also those highlighted ones were the one-year deals that are left before the Bulls are expiring. And also big shout out to Zack Collins for that check that he’s making though. Meet Travis in the comments saying, “What is that top five of your highest paid players?” Vouch Collins, Pat. Wow. And now, yes, Josh Giddy at the top at the tippy top. This is a playin roster. Oh god. Um, and and so that second column, uh, the 26 27, if you want to put that back up one more time really quick, Katie, that is figures that we probably will not be seeing on keeping this roster together yet another year where you’re seeing Vu at 32, Collins at 27, Herder at 26, Kobe 24 and a half. So those are cap holds. go. Right. Correct. Those are not their contracts for next year. That is the cap hold that is applied to your books. Um basically just to uh allow teams to have the flexibility. So they can operate as an above the cap team if they keep all those numbers on the books or they can wipe all of them those seven contracts combined for I believe it’s 150 million in expiring. So theoretically you can create a ton of caps uh cap space and we can talk about exactly what those numbers are. Uh but but that’s effectively the flexibility that Arturus and Mark Everly have talked about right over the last six seven months here is all this money coming off the books in the form of them wiping these catapults. So I think what Bulls fans what most Bulls fans are wondering about when it comes to this team and its cap sheet now that Josh Giddy is signed is Kobe White and I Dumu logically are the next two dominoes to fall either fall back into place with the Bulls or fall elsewhere. Yeah. entering their expiring years as opposed to like so is Vu but like VU is not long for this for this bull’s world. I think we all would would believe that. Yeah. So let’s look at that other caphold table you made where just Kobe and IO are their cap holds are included and see what that looks like. Um because it is more palatable than cap holds for all of the players on expiring deals entering this season. Can can we actually go to the um max space first just cuz I think it’s a little bit easier to think about it that way. Sure. Um, so this is basically all those uh catapults that we just talked about. Vu, Collins, Herder, Kobe, IO, Javon Carter, and Dalent Terry. If you wipe all those, that’s how you get to that $80 million number that a lot of people have been talking about, which is a max contract and then some, which is a max contract and then some, but it’s the most amount of space that even after the Bulls sign giddy, the absolute most amount of space they can open up to be able to use to sign free agents. And that’s if they let in addition to all the other expirings, IO and Kobe go. Correct. And so we’ll talk about what’s more likely than that. Uh but this is like if they if they basically gut the roster, um they’ll have just Giddy, Patrick, uh Aoro, Jaylen Smith, Trey Jones, Modis, Noah, and Julian Phillips on their contracts for next year. And then, you know, $80 million worth of money to play with uh as far as free agency trades. um taking in bad contracts for draft picks. Like you can you can do a lot with that much space. Um I believe the max contract is around 60 next year. Not a ton of max players available. Uh but just basically unlimited flexibility. I believe that’s going to be either the first or second most cap space in the entire league. It’s a heck of a phrase to say, man. Unlimited flexibility for this Bulls team. And man, it’s going to be interesting. It’s what it’s what AK’s been preaching along with patience. It’s true. Flexibility. It’s been a thing in the year 2026. Hey, guess what? We’re almost there. Almost there, man. Uh we got to knock out a couple of other ads. When we come back on the other side, we will dive into our goals for Josh Giddy this season. What do we want to see him accomplish to earn that bag? Hit the like. Even you, Troy, I see you, buddy. Ads. Hey, Brandon. Ads. Go. 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So, anything else about this table or tables when it comes to the Bulls flexibility with their cap in 26 and 27 that you want to address when it comes to Josh Giddy getting paid? Like you said, go like 25 seemed to be the most a lot of us were comfortable with not giving him that 30 annual and giving Josh four years 100 mil with year four being 27 million in change. Like this does not wreck their cap flexibility in the coming years in any way. It’s just a matter to me. The bigger question is what will they do when it comes to Kobe and IO? Because that will determine what you actually have cap flexibility wise, cap spacewise to pursue some big talent-free agents next summer and the summer after that. And we’ve actually, you know, hit on this a little bit, but it’s it’s really next summer. I mean, unless they find another way to kick the can down the road uh in terms of opening up cap space, like this is kind of their chance to do it. And that’s why I’ve talked about the deadline being an opportunity for them. And it’s why I’ve talked about next year’s free agency now with Luca signing and Darren Fox signing. Not saying that the Bulls were going to get either of those guys, but but the pool of max caliber free agents has really thinned out. So, um I think that makes it uh all the more necessary for the Bulls if they are serious about, you know, competing to find one of those guys in a trade. Um and so that could happen as soon as this deadline. Um and I think that’s kind of like going to have to be the order of operations based on the amount of space that you go into next summer with uh and what you want to do with Kobe and IO. So, if we can throw up, Katie, that list uh or the cap the cap sheet with, uh the the likely cap space, because I think it’s easy to sit here and say the Bulls could have $80 million in cap space. They’re just going to get rid of everyone. Well, that’s great, but like the reality of the situation is they’re probably going to keep Kobe and IO. Um and even if they do, they can still add a lot of talent. So, the way the way to look at this, and I think this should ease a lot of people’s mind a little bit. Come on, go ease. We talked about removing the cap holds to create max space. If you leave if you wipe off everybody’s capold except for Kobe and IO, you’re left with about 41.5 million in cap space. Not bad. And so basically that’s how much you how much space you have to be able to sign roster spots of free agent um and fill out the rest of your roster. So, you’re talking about a team with Jaylen Smith as the only center on the roster. Um, and you’re talking about, you know, not a ton of depth. Uh, but 41 million is a lot to a lot a lot to be able to use. Um, and it’s not just that you can uh use 41, it’s that you can sign up to $41 million worth of free agents, still retain Kobe and IO, and then you still have uh about $36 million before you hit the luxury tax. So, um, basically the way that it works is when you have cap holds on your roster, you keep them there as a hold. That number counts towards the total salary on your books and but it doesn’t necessarily count right away. So, some So, what the Bulls did in 21 is they had cap holds on their roster. They went out and traded for Lonzo. uh they went out and traded for, you know, Caruso or brought Caruso in uh with an exception and then were able to resign their own guys by going above the salary cap. So, effectively, they can go out and either trade or sign uh a $40 million player and still go above the salary cap to sign Kobe to a $25 million deal and IO to a 15 or $20 million deal and still have a lot of space to be able to bring back guys like Kevin Herder or Zack Collins, um albeit on cheaper deals than the ones that they’re on now. So, there is a lot of flexibility. I do think it’s possible um and even probable to bring back all those guys. Uh if you’re worried about that, like that doesn’t feel like a huge concern to me. The bigger concern is how do you get a guy that’s, you know, a max player to come in and complement them? Uh is it going to be with those, you know, uh expiring contracts where, you know, you can offer a team flexibility in the upcoming offseason to take on a bad contract? Here’s an example. Could the Bulls trade for Jaylen Brown? Somebody like that who’s making way more money than the Celtics probably feel comfortable paying him. You trade some picks. You send out expiring contracts and you absorb more money to put the Celtics in a position where they’re out of the luxury tax. You bring him in and then you resign Kobe and Io. You’ve got Giddy, Jaylen Brown, Kobe IO. Uh and you’ve used some of your picks. So, I don’t know that like Jaylen Brown is the difference between the Bulls winning a championship and not, but that’s the kind of move that they could make similar to the Pacers with Seakum where you go out and you trade for an all-star player, bring him into the core, and then go out and resign your own players to bring them back. And I think that’s kind of how the order of operations will work. This probably isn’t a fair question for you, but it s seems like you’re saying like the core of the Bulls with how it’s being set up financially. Could it being Josh Giddy, Kobe White, Modis Misellis, and I Dumu? Uh, it could be. Yeah, absolutely. I mean, I think the Bulls have to like come come to a sort of agreement or like figure out what they want to be as a team because I think it’s it’s hard to not just like have all those guys like I think they all provide something valuable, but it’s like can you win with those guys as like four of your five most important players? Yeah. 39 games. And I think that’s kind of the question. Or if not, how do you bring in the guy that can who’s so good that he can make the rest of those guys be your fourth, fifth, and sixth best players and for that to still work. So also about knowing what you need on this team, you know, about the guy you want to bring. Exactly. And that’s why like I gave the Jaylen Brown example. I think he’s making like 60 million next year. It’s a lot of money and that’s like probably why the Celtics would be willing to like consider ways to get off of him. Um, but even then it’s like if Jaylen Brown is your best player and you’ve got Gideon, Kobe and Io, like is that a championship caliber team? Maybe, probably not. Like I I don’t I don’t really know. It depends on how those guys continue to grow and evolve. Um, Modus is obviously a huge part of that. Yes. But the reason why I think it’s so important that they get something done either at the deadline or in the offseason is because once you sign Kobe and IO now you can’t go back above the um you’re not carving out cap space to where you can go back above the cap to resign those guys. So as soon as you sign them your cap space is gone. You do have to operate um as a free agent player or as a trade destination before you retain your own guys because that’s how bird rights work. And so that’s why this off seasonason, this trade deadline is so critical. Um, and it’s why you do need to have information about how good this team is, how good Giddy is, is he worth that contract. Um, is Mas taking a step forward? All those things have to be answered by the deadline if you want to be able to do that. All those things have to be answered by next offseason if you want to be able to go out and make a trade using that cap space um, and then still bring back your guys. if you want to trade them and sort of continue to tinker and retool. Uh maybe you sign guys like Herder and Collins to a oneplus 1 or something and you can create cap space again. But with the core of Kobe, Giddy IO, like if you want all three of those guys long term, you do have to make a decision about how you bring in uh help or a primary piece next to those guys basically by this time next year. Makes sense. All right, so uh with our remaining time, let’s shift gears and set our goals for Josh Giddy. Um, and again, this is for the upcoming 2526 season specifically. Uh, I was going back and forth on Twitter last night with a Bulls fan, uh, about like what he was asking me like, you know, what would you deem to be this a successful Josh Giddy contract and feeling good about Josh Giddy this many years, this many dollars? And my answer to that was the Bulls advance out of the first round of the playoffs at some point in those next four years that Josh Giddy’s under contract with the Bulls and Josh Giddy playing to a certain level is a big reason why they advance out of the playoffs. So to me like that’s big picture of what if and when I will be happy about the Bulls keeping Josh Giddy and keeping him on this money. Can you get out of the first round of the playoffs with Josh Giddy being one of your best players? Yeah, great. I’ll be thrilled if that turns out to be the case. But for this exercise specifically, what do we want to see from him this season? I thought about going defense, but like if the Bulls are going to be good and Josh Giddy’s going to be good, it’s going to be about the offensive side of the basketball. Yes. And trying as they might to be passable on defense some nights. Yes. Including Josh Giddy being passable on defense some nights. And we saw him increase his effort on the defensive end after the All-Star break because it was secure that bag time. great for him. But there were two specific things I want to see from him this season as essentially like a hey, get get that back to where it should be. A and B prove that wasn’t a fluke. Yeah. So A is finishing at the rim. This has never been an elite part of Josh Giddy’s game, but we saw him attack attack attack the paint relentlessly. He did last season. These are facts. Sometime it was a spray out to a shooter and sometimes it was in in getting to the line and he increased his free throw rate down that post allar break stretch too. I love that. But what I want to see is him getting back to at least his career average of field goal percentage at the rim aka 0 to3 ft. He converted just 58.4% of his attempts at the rim last season. His career average is 63.9. M he was at 67.1 his final year with the Thunder. So when you get to the rim Josh Giddy in your weird creative lanky elbows and knees ways finish better and you know I I could add to that the whole like floaters thing. Mhm. I either hit him or stop taking them. But specifically if you’re going to attack the rim that relentlessly you’ve got to be a better finisher at the rim. And we know that he is not a play above the rim athlete. No. So figure out how to be a better finisher at the rim because 27 and a half% of his total field goal attempts did come at the rim last season. So if that’s that big of a pie, that big of a slice of pie of where your shots are coming from, I’m sorry, it’s got to be above 60%. I would like it to be back to your career average of 64%. That’s number one. Okay. Number two, keep your three-point percentage where it was last season on a similar number of attempts. And I even gave him a little bit of wiggle room. As all of the giddy committee are quick to tell you, yeah, 37.8% from behind the arc last season. Yeah. Well done, Josh. And that was on 4.0 attempts per game. Highest volume of his career. I’m asking, prove that’s not a fluke with just a flat 37% and three and a half attempts per game. Honestly, as a giddy skeptic, skeptic as a giddy skeptic. Right. Am I saying that right? Yeah, you would. Okay, my tongue is Keep cooking. Keep cooking. I I would be happy with that. I would be satisfied with they prove that’s not a fluke when it comes to Giddy’s three-point attempt rate and conversion rate because to me, if the Bulls offense is going to go from eh to actually a good NBA offense, Josh Giddy’s hot streak after the All-Star break cannot be a fluke. It’s got to be real. Yeah, he has got to prove also for the possessions where he’s not your primary creator on ball that defenses can’t just completely ignore him. So, prove that you can be a 37% three-point shooter on a real like on on a real number of attempts. So, those are the two things I want to see from Josh. He needs to be not elite, but a very good above average offensive weapon in a variety of ways. And to me, that has to include finishing at the rim and finishing behind the ark. And I loved how he broke that down. I was gonna say I think the three-point shooting, obviously both of those things are critical to his success. Um, and great call outs. Yeah, I would say like for the three-point shooting thing, and we’ve talked a little bit about this, like it’s not just that he needs to like make 37%. It’s that he needs to improve off the dribble and be able to force uh opponents to go over screens on him so that we’ll open up the lane. I think that’s a huge thing. You see guys like Hallebertton, their entire game is opened up by the fact that they aren’t lethal pull-up shooters. And Giddy’s never going to be that, but can you at least be someone that they can’t just go under every single time and now you’re completely neutralized? Like he did a really great job of getting to the rim last year and drawing fouls. I’m curious to see if he’s able to keep that up. Um, but that’s basically like swimming upstream, like going through contact, playing with multiple defenders in the paint, uh, and trying to draw fouls that way. That’s a tough thing to do. It’s a hard way to make a living. If you can open up the court a little bit by forcing teams to go over screens on you, now the paint’s wide open and now that really changes what he can do and maximizes his passing ability, uh, which is what makes him special. So, um, I think the off the dribble stuff is huge. And then also to your point like being able to shoot away from the ball so that when Kobe has it, when Vu has it, when other guys have it, they’re able to uh, you know, basically not be playing four on five. Like him being able to hit open shots and make teams pay. That’s part of it. It’s also forcing teams to come out to him so that the paint isn’t really clogged. And I think those are both really important things for not only his game, but the Bulls as a whole. It’s going to be hard to score when you’re going four on five. Very true. Um, I again love what you said. That was excellent. Let me ask you a question before I before I came to approve it, sir. For all those things that you said, when do you want to see Josh Giddy start to do these things? Today. Right. When do I want to see When do you want to see that start happening? From game one on. Not not a not a piece of the season. Not postallar break. Mhm. I I still remember the first 50 games of Josh Giddy’s first Bull season. So, I would like him to start doing that stuff out of the gate. Bull’s got a pretty tough slate, too, to begin the season. So, yeah. Yeah. And and that is my proof it right there for Josh Giddy. You need to see this from the beginning. Day oneish is what you need to see. Shout out wrestling fans know what that is. Shout out to the Usos. Day oneish for Josh Giddy. We need to see it from the start. All right. From the beginning. From the moment he walks on the floor and Adam and Stacy are hyping us up and the ref is about to throw it up and he’s tucking in his jersey and putting his putting his hair behind his ears. He needs to be on it from the jump. Day one, we need to see this stuff from Josh Giddy. Best point I’d like what you said Matt is talking about the streak he went on and you’re like don’t want the streak. No, I want that to be the thing that I want that to be the standard. The consistency of Josh Giddy is what you want from this great streak. That was nice. That was fun. No, no, no. I want to see this for 30 plus games, 40 plus games, 50 plus games. I want the consistency of Josh Giddy and it has to happen from day one. they needed for him to happen from day one. Again, like I said yesterday, bro, it’s on him. All of this is on him for now. For me, in my opinion, he’s the most important play on the offense for the Chicago Bulls. He’s the one that’s setting everything up. He’s the one that’s going to get it all going. He’s the one that’s going to get everybody involved. He’s a pass first kind of guy as well, but he also is a bull in a china shop when he’s running to the rim as well. So, he can get to the rim. Can he score at the rim when he gets there? We need to see that more consistently. Can his three-point shot be what we saw it that second half? We need to see that more consistently. Maybe he’s added some things to his game in this off season if you’re believing the practice tapes that we’ve looked at. So, we’ll see if that happens. But I don’t want to see it for 10 games. There’s no more excuse for that. For me, it has to be the consistency of Josh Giddy. And it has to happen from the beginning, from the onset. When the ref throws that ball up in the air to Nicole Vuvich and whoever the other center is, it has to be from that point on, Josh Giddy doing his thing. Day one-ish for Josh Giddy. It’s funny, Dave, that you mentioned consistency so many times because that is exactly the word that I use. C word for we got a C word. My prove it. No. Consistency. Consistency is it’s back to your cartwheels. Aka consistency is back because I mean you you’re absolutely right. Like if you I said this yesterday, it’s not so much like an issue of what the Bulls are paying Giddy. It’s the fact that he is now the primary piece moving forward. And as a primary piece moving forward, you have to be consistent. You can’t have 50 games where, you know, you’re averaging 11, six, and seven. Nope. Um, and shooting 53% true shooting percentage. Um, and then have 25 games where you’re 28 and 9 and a half on 61 true shooting. You can’t have 50 games where you’re shooting 32.7% on threes and then have 25 games where you shoot 45%. And have any sort of consistency there. Like that’s that’s to me the the fundamental issue that um Giddy needs to solve for this year. I think like all the stuff that you talked about Matt is a big piece of that. But for me it’s like I said this last year, we know he’s going to get triple doubles. We know he’s going to go on a run where he looks incredible. Uh but really it’s not about what are the highs. It’s about can you do it as the leading piece for 82 games plus the postseason. And you know he just hasn’t been able to do that to this point in his career. He now has unlimited runway to have the ball in his hands. He is the guy the Bulls are building around. He’s the highest paid player on the team. He’s the point guard. His usage went crazy after the All-Star break last year. Um, according to Data Baller, he was on ball 29.6% of the time. So, like, I mean, that’s that’s premium. That’s a lot lead ball handler stuff. And if you’re going to be that kind of guy, you got to be consistent with it. You can’t be up and down. You have to be there every single day so that the Bulls can know what they’re getting out of you. Um, and that’s kind of what they’re paying you for. Like, if they believed that you were the version of yourself for the first 45 games, then they would have paid you accordingly. If they believe that you were the level that you were playing in the last 25 games, they would have paid you accordingly. Like, they need to get some consistency out of you so that this team can go anywhere because at the end of the day, I do think he is leading the charge on this team. He is the one. He’s going to have the ball in his hands and they’re going to go as far as Giddy can take them. And so, if that’s the case, you need to be consistent. Yes. Preach it. will the goat leave because even last year uh my proven for him was to get seven triple doubles and that’s exactly what he did. He went out and he got those seven triple doubles. So now I’m like oh what I saw in that second half of the season you can do this for multiple games all the time. I need this all the time because they the check says all the time because they could have stayed at that number of the 22 and a half. They could have stayed there. No, they moved it up for me. That’s saying hey bro we really do believe in you. We really want you here and we want you to run this for us. When you’re giving it to him like that, then you got to be on it from the beginning. And go is correct. It has to be consistent. 11, six, and and seven. Nope. No, no, no, no. Out the window with that, bro. I’m need to see it. And I believe he can do it. That’s the other part of this. I think Giddy has that. I I continued to say I thought he was going to have a better year this season, and I still believe that. And now he gets a chance to prove it. Now he gets a chance to show it to everybody. But all eyes are definitely going to be on him, bro. And for me, when it’s on you, that’s an exciting time because when it’s on you, you get to prove everybody wrong. You get to point to everybody be like, “Haha, guess what? I am this damn good.” It’s an exciting time, man. And I hope he’s approaching it that way. And speaking of those, you know, on you kind of identities and what you were talking about with Josh’s triple doubles, the goal you set for him last year and he did it and then we’ll pitch it to Katie’s uh prove it. I just wanted to to squeeze this in there. To me, we all know the the box score stuffing that Josh Giddy is capable of. It’s to me all about is Josh Giddy flirting with averaging a triple double this season and doing it consistently for a team with 35 to 40 wins or is he doing it for a team with 50 wins? And to me, there is an ocean in between what those two different things mean. Mhm. Cuz if you’re a if you’re box score stuffing on a team that you’re one of the best players on the team and that team’s winning 35 to 40, big whoop. I don’t give a damn. If you’re doing that on a 50- win team, hell yeah. I’m in. One thing I do I will say, Matt, is he can’t be the reason why it’s a 35 win team. He can’t be the reason why. If if he puts up those numbers and they’re still like that, I can’t I don’t want to point directly to Josh Giddy and be like, “Oh, well, Giddy wasn’t on this. He wasn’t on that. him being one of your team’s best players is part of the reason why. This is what I’m saying. Like if he puts up those numbers though, like if he had that second half of the year, I it’s going to unless it’s something going on within the offense that he just can’t do, then I can’t put that on him. But I can damn sure put it on him if it’s going to be 15, six, and seven. I could definitely put that on you for sure, man. He can’t have that season. But I think to Matt’s point, like if he is your best player, even if he’s doing that and it’s not leading to wins, like that’s problematic. So, I do think Oh, yes, it is. I do think that that’s a piece of it. Um, and I’m not saying he needs to like be the absolute peak of what he was last year for 82 games. Like, I just think the floor can’t be so so low as when it was the first 45 games. Like, there needs to be a higher uh floor with him. And then if he can get to that ceiling from time to time, I think that’s great. But really, it’s like the baseline has to be higher. And uh maybe that’s a better way to do it because I don’t think you’re winning 45 50 games if if he’s not that good. But if he is, I mean, think about the other teams in the league. If your players are reaching those kind of highs, those teams are winning a ton of games. And so if the Bulls aren’t and he’s reaching those kind of highs, like I think you do have to have some questions. You believer in the chat also saying he wants to see Giddy be more consistent get into the line. His assist numbers will depend on teammates making shots. You know, that was something else I did consider, but obviously can just throw that on the pile of things we’d like to see. Josh Giddy’s free throw attempt rate, huge increase. Yeah. In that stretch of games after the All-Star break. Hopefully, he can keep that up, too. Katie, Queen Katie, what do you want to see from Josh this season? I want to see him hit the like button. First of all, like goodies hitting the like button on Well, everybody else should. Uh, Matt, you said that you didn’t want to go defense. Well, I did go defense. go. All I want is for him to not be noticed on defense. Just play strong enough defense that I am not yelling at you. And I am not Billy Donovan. So, um, if you’re just playing strong enough defense for me not to yell at you, it doesn’t have to be that good. It just has to be decent. Um, so yeah, don’t get blown by. Don’t get, you know, crossed over constantly. Um, not that he was doing that, but he was getting blown by quite a bit. So, let’s just not be noticed on the defensive end. That’s where I’m at. I like that. I like that. I really like that. I feel like that’s what I was trying to hit at with the like the floor has to be higher. It doesn’t need to be like him turning into Alex Caruso or yeah, you know, Weyama out there, but it’s just like can you reach a higher floor to where you’re not being noticed out there. I think that was spot on. And you know, that is something that we could say and did say in recent years past about both Demar De Rozan and Zack Lavine. This team’s two best players, allstar players. It’s like, o man, Zack was just flatfooted as hell playing weakside defense on that blowby or Demar D Rozan just got cooked one-on-one and it’s like, okay, cool. They were both average flirting with like, you know, 26 27 points per game scores or here’s a here’s a 35, here’s a 40 burger. Yeah. And we go win this game. The the players who are that elite offensively, you tend to notice the defensive Oh, dear God possessions a little less. Yes. That’s very true. Or even if you notice them, you are more quick to forgive them because of what that player has given for you, given your team on the offensive end. So to me, when it comes to Josh Giddy and his defense, Katie, I think you’re spot on. Like if we could just not every night be like, “Oh, well, here you go. Fourth quarter, they’re targeting Giddy. There’s another possession down the court. They’re targeting Giddy.” Like if you if you can even just be passable. Yeah. for a team collectively whose defense AK said identity. We’re going to establish identity. They went out. They traded for Isaac Aoro. Hopefully, we’ll see defensive improvements from some of the other young guys on this team. Josh Giddy cannot be a Billy has to pull me at the end of a close game level of defensive defensive player. He can’t. That can’t happen one time. $100 million contract. Yeah. Cornerstone piece of the of the roster. Yeah. You you can’t you can’t be that bad of a defender. And he made plays last year like he did. I mean, he had a game with eight steals. He had obviously the steal against the Lakers. Like, he’s capable to that set up the, you know, three-point shot um in that Laker game. Like, he’s capable of making plays. I think it’s like about guarding in space. I think it’s about not getting like easily broken down. Yeah, there’s plenty of teams in the NBA where their best player is not an elite defender, but they make it work. Steph learned how to make it work so that he when he was picked on, he could provide some resistance. Luca does the same thing. he’s able to ramp it up uh and get to the finals. Like I think Giddy can do that. Um it just Yeah, he just has to be more consistent with it. Consistency, baby. Consistency. Day one, baby. As we wrap up, Eco Bean. Um can you find the other Eco Bean comment, Katie? Not this most recent one, but there was another one that was just like all kinds of optimistic. Uh that was uh Oh, here you go. Josh Giddy is the new Larry Bird, our Bulls Bird. His game is so versatile. I wouldn’t be surprised if Giddy receives votes for MVP next season. #C Red. Love you, Eco Bean. Uh, always appreciate you being in the chat. I’m with all this. Uh, stay off the weed. Um, I’m with all MVP votes. I mean, unless of course you’re shopping at Sunnyside, then by all means, you feel get on that wheat. Uh, want to give a huge shout out to Liam. It’s his birthday today. Happy birthday. Happy birthday. Also, shout out to we got a a membership sign up. Crystal Simone. Crystal, welcome to CS Sports Channel MVP. MVP. Crystal was MVP. Maybe not really MVP, but in my heart, she was MVP of the softball game last night. This is true. Let’s go. This is true. All right, that’s it for today. Uh, follow the goat_gotly, breed stuff, all cow.com. That’s him. Big day b sports. I’m Bulls_C Bulls. Queen of the Control is the one and only Katie Duffy bringing the heat on and prove it. We’re back tomorrow with another show live 400 pm central time. See you then. Have a great night. See you be good. Peace. [Music] [Applause] [Music]

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The CHGO Bulls crew continue their discussion on Josh Giddey signing a 4-year, $100 million contract to remain a key roster piece for the Chicago Bulls. How will his contract impact the next steps in Arturas Karnisovas’ roster-building plan? Peck, Big Dave and Will Gottlieb look at the Bulls’ books and try to map out potential deals for Coby White and Ayo Dosunmu, and determine cap space in the coming years. Plus, what must Josh Giddey prove this season to validate his contract and AK’s vision of him as a cornerstone of the franchise?

0:00 Welcome to the show
2:15 We (kind of) are the champions
4:05 NBA rule changes
17:20 Bulls cap outlook after Giddey’s contract
28:25 What happens if the Bulls lean into cap space?
34:30 What happens if the Bulls re-sign Coby and Ayo?
40:40 Prove it, Josh Giddey!

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