[Bball_Index] Andrew Wiggins 2024-25 grades compared to Rui Hachimura
September 13, 2025
[Bball_Index] Andrew Wiggins 2024-25 grades compared to Rui Hachimura
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I mean this makes sense. We need Wiggins perimeter defense more than ruis post defense.
So Rui is a serviceable low post defender that fits JJ’s shell defense and meshes really well for a Luka type offense.
Rui cannot be in a package, we need more serviceable players and not just replace one with another.
Age and cost for context
30yo 28m + 30m (player opt) vs.
27yo 18m expiring
Now compare this their recent playoff performances.
It sounds possible to keep them both if:
1. Gabe was loved by Miami management
2. Knecht has some decent amount of potential in their eyes.
3. Kleber is serviceable
4. Lakers feel Wiggins is worth a strong 1st round
Maybe Miami throws us 1-2 young guys also to make the rosters even.
We are not trading Rui get that thru your skulls
I’m too lazy to extract the overall results from all this. Overall who comes out better
Wiggins makes too much money and yes he’s a slightly better fit but he’s just not enough of an upgrade if Rui is included.
Rui is going to be even better once Bron retires… he can’t even crash as often for defensive rebounds and already gets more offensive rebounds.
Not to mention his shooting stays solid in the playoffs and his defense is getting better and better
To be fair, Rui played with Bron and Luka…
If they trade for Wiggins, it’s because they think there’s a chance he can return to the player he was a few years ago in GS
They may have been comparable last year, but Wiggins’ upside is significantly higher than Rui’s
Ngl… tying to read this chart hurts my eyeballs 😅
A+ off ball chaser defense as a 6’8 Forward. What is the team lacking most? an Off Ball chaser defender. That is the singular skill that completes the team and why people want Wiggins. He can do that and then go defend forwards too. It allows Luka and Reaves to move around defensively and makes the entire lineup thrive on both ends.
Yes Luka, Lebron they make other players better. But Wiggins is a rare archetype of a player who can make the stars better. Both Luka and Lebron can fall into more effective defensive roles because of what he brings as a player. Also worth asking what does Wiggins shooting numbers look like if he’s not a D for 3 Pt shot Quality? Itd be much better on the Lakers.
To me the Most telling part of this breakdown is that despite getting much better looks than Wiggins, Rui isnt that much better of a shooter. Wiggins could be at the same level of efficiency and success if he was getting the amazing looks Luka and Bron would create for him. All while also being a better defender and fit, but I understand not wanting to trade a first for him. If we could do Rui, Expiring, Knecht and a second I would do it.
Rui guards forwards and bigs better than Wigs. Wiggins guards both guard positions better. Sounds about right
So Wiggins is pretty much better at everything we need him to be good at
This sub still wants to trade Rui for Wiggins lmao casuals
Don’t even have to look at these advanced stats to know that Wiggins is clearly not worth both Rui and Knecht.
Especially at that age and with that contract.
Just a nitpick but I hate how this is visualised. Why isn’t it numbers and/or why can you not see the delta between the two… My data analytics brain is suffering while looking at this
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21 comments
I mean this makes sense. We need Wiggins perimeter defense more than ruis post defense.
So Rui is a serviceable low post defender that fits JJ’s shell defense and meshes really well for a Luka type offense.
Rui cannot be in a package, we need more serviceable players and not just replace one with another.
Age and cost for context
30yo 28m + 30m (player opt) vs.
27yo 18m expiring
Now compare this their recent playoff performances.
It sounds possible to keep them both if:
1. Gabe was loved by Miami management
2. Knecht has some decent amount of potential in their eyes.
3. Kleber is serviceable
4. Lakers feel Wiggins is worth a strong 1st round
Maybe Miami throws us 1-2 young guys also to make the rosters even.
We are not trading Rui get that thru your skulls
I’m too lazy to extract the overall results from all this. Overall who comes out better
Wiggins makes too much money and yes he’s a slightly better fit but he’s just not enough of an upgrade if Rui is included.
Rui is going to be even better once Bron retires… he can’t even crash as often for defensive rebounds and already gets more offensive rebounds.
Not to mention his shooting stays solid in the playoffs and his defense is getting better and better
To be fair, Rui played with Bron and Luka…
If they trade for Wiggins, it’s because they think there’s a chance he can return to the player he was a few years ago in GS
They may have been comparable last year, but Wiggins’ upside is significantly higher than Rui’s
Ngl… tying to read this chart hurts my eyeballs 😅
A+ off ball chaser defense as a 6’8 Forward. What is the team lacking most? an Off Ball chaser defender. That is the singular skill that completes the team and why people want Wiggins. He can do that and then go defend forwards too. It allows Luka and Reaves to move around defensively and makes the entire lineup thrive on both ends.
Yes Luka, Lebron they make other players better. But Wiggins is a rare archetype of a player who can make the stars better. Both Luka and Lebron can fall into more effective defensive roles because of what he brings as a player. Also worth asking what does Wiggins shooting numbers look like if he’s not a D for 3 Pt shot Quality? Itd be much better on the Lakers.
To me the Most telling part of this breakdown is that despite getting much better looks than Wiggins, Rui isnt that much better of a shooter. Wiggins could be at the same level of efficiency and success if he was getting the amazing looks Luka and Bron would create for him. All while also being a better defender and fit, but I understand not wanting to trade a first for him. If we could do Rui, Expiring, Knecht and a second I would do it.
Rui guards forwards and bigs better than Wigs. Wiggins guards both guard positions better. Sounds about right
So Wiggins is pretty much better at everything we need him to be good at
This sub still wants to trade Rui for Wiggins lmao casuals
Don’t even have to look at these advanced stats to know that Wiggins is clearly not worth both Rui and Knecht.
Especially at that age and with that contract.
Just a nitpick but I hate how this is visualised. Why isn’t it numbers and/or why can you not see the delta between the two… My data analytics brain is suffering while looking at this
2 completely different positions.