Does Joe Burrow NEED to leave Cincinnati Bengals to be successful? | THE HERD NFL w/ Colin Cowherd
Welcome to the Herds official YouTube channel. Make sure to like and subscribe. Don’t forget to check out the Colin Coward podcast. All of our NFL instant reactions and more football content. With that, Matt Hasselbeck, 18 years in the NFL is joining us live. You know, Matt, it it’s interesting. Um I watched Philadelphia last night. It just cracks me up. They’re 4-0 since last season when they throw for under a 100red yards, which usually, if you just look at a box score, you’re like, “Oh, this is a mess. Burn the film.” It’s almost like Philadelphia that passing often gets them out of their rhythm. AJ Brown had five catches for 27 yards. There is something about they’re very comfortable playing big, strong, ugly football. It feels like to me they kind of love what they are. What do you see? Yeah, I see a good football team and you know I said this uh last year to you and uh you know for it’s first and 10 for everybody else. It doesn’t feel like first and 10 for Philly because of how good they are at the tush push you know like so that gets a lot of attention but I just think it’s an identity of who they want to be offensively and you know when you play a great quarterback like I remember doing this a lot go up against a Pton Manning or a Tom Brady or somebody part of your offensive philosophy is to just keep that guy on the bench. Yes. And so like it’s okay. Like you literally say it in the meetings like we’re not going to try to throw for 300 yards this week. Like we’re not we’re going to just try to run for a 100. Like it’s the mindset. It’s not so much about the actual numbers, but it’s the mindset. We’re going to keep their great quarterback on the bench. Not only does that help your defense, I believe it actually frustrates that great quarterback and helps him and his offense get out of their own rhythm. So, I want to talk about So, you know, listen, Detroit, Ben Johnson leaves, and it felt like Detroit said, “All right, we’re going to pounce a little bit here.” And I and I’ve always defended team. It’s not Jimmy Johnson. It’s not my job to make sure your the game’s close. But it did feel like Detroit wanted to make a point by bearing the Bears, did it not? Yeah, it did. I mean, it almost felt personal, and I know it wasn’t personal, but, you know, I think this is probably the lesson for me in this game. You know, Ben Johnson said, “Hey, I’m going to try to downplay the fact that I’m going back to Detroit. You know, I’m going to like, you know, because I don’t want my team to feel that pressure.” I disagree with that that that uh that philosophy. I mean, I remember being, you know, on the Green Bay Packers with Mike Homegrren as the head coach. When we would go back to San Fran, his old thing, the like it just elevated the energy in the entire building. Uh same thing when he was in Seattle, we’d go back to Green Bay. You see it with other different, you know, coaches when they go back to coaching against their old uh program against their own team, their old team. Like just the the excitement, the energy that it br it’s almost like a playoff atmosphere inside the building. Sort of like Wednesday to Friday, Wednesday to Saturday. And I think that’s the better approach. And you know, the Bears just look flat. Detroit treated it like Dan Campbell. You knew he would treat it. And they came out and they look like the team that they were last year. You know, listen, you know this and I know this. we’ve been married for a while is marriage is sacrifice and it’s fit, you know, and and it it’s like you see these Hollywood power couples and they both have great careers and it doesn’t work, right? It’s not they’re bad people. I look at Ben Johnson who is a timing and structure coach. He’s got some Shanahan. He likes structure and timing. And I look at Caleb and Caleb after those opening drives, you know, he when he moves out of the pocket sometimes his head is down. He’s looking for yards. And I I know it’s early, Matt, but it feels like from a fit standpoint. This may not be perfect. It may not work. Well, for Caleb, you better make it work because this is the best play caller and head coach and quarterback whisperer that you could be with. And you know, he did have a really good preseason game and and the the theme of that game was rhythm. And by rhythm, you’re meaning how many hitches the quarterback takes in like in the pocket. Is it one, two, three, balls out, or is it just one, the ball’s out? And some of the great quarterbacks that play in an offense like this. Uh, that’s kind of how you, I guess, would evaluate it when you’re just watching it. Um, you know, I think the other thing that you would just say to to Ben Johnson and to Ca like what I would say to Caleb about Ben Johnson, just forget whatever you learned in high school and college, forget whatever got you here and take this like beginners mentality of I’m going to do it exactly the way that you’re asking me to do it. because if there is like some sort of like, you know, I’m doing it one way and the coach wants me to do it another way, it’s not going to work and they’re going to move on. You he didn’t draft you. Uh you you you were there before him and so you better buy in and be all the way uh on his program in terms of rhythm and timing, accuracy, all those types of things. And I think he can, but uh that would be the advice. You better be all in all the time uh and just do it his way. Let me s I so I watch Michael Penn and JJ McCarthy and let me simplify it. PennX gets rid of the ball fast, fast and accurate, and he’s got a defensive head coach. And then I look at JJ McCarthy with the brilliant Kevin Okonnell and he holds the ball and he doesn’t get rid of it fast. And I do wonder if how much what percentage of quarterback play in this league is get it out of your hands because PennX is just see it boom out. and m and JJ and Caleb and especially JJ he does he doesn’t let it go he doesn’t let it rip then he looks overwhelmed then he loses confidence and I mean when I watch panics I’m like oh that works that’s why that’s what he did in college it’s see it let it rip trust your confidence is that part of JJ’s problem is he’s just not letting it go yeah I think you’re you’re spot on with Penn um you say see it and let it rip I think it’s more like anticipate it and let it rip you got to throw it almost before you see it. And I think that’s one of the things that Michael Pennix did great at the University of Washington. Uh he doesn’t necessarily rely on his athleticism and legs. He relies on his on his eyes, his anticipatory reactions, and then his accurate throws. So, uh for sure, I think the two young quarterbacks we talked about earlier, Caleb and JJ, like they got to let it go quicker. Going back to the rhythm and the timing, you got to let it go on one hitch, five in one hitch instead of five and two hitches. Sometimes uh young quarterbacks can be a wait andseth thrower. I want to wait and see and then I’m going to let it go. And then, you know, obviously there’s some like uh just mandatory things for quarterbacks on an outbreaking route. You can never leave it inside. Um you talked about confidence. I think when you hold on to the ball, it doesn’t necessarily hurt your confidence as a quarterback. It hurts the confidence of the offensive line. They might have done a decent job in pass protection, but because you held on and hitched it a couple uh, you know, one too many times, it feels like they gave up a pressure when quite honestly, maybe they didn’t even give up a pressure, it just was you holding on to it. So, that’s something that, you know, that young quarterbacks I think struggle with. I know I struggled with it. Um, but you look at the game’s best quarterbacks over time, they get the ball out on time and helps their team um, you know, stay on track. Um I I was talking about this with my buddy John Moff last night is I listen sometimes as a quarterback you get hurt it’s not your fault you get blindsided but when a quarterback like Joe Burrow or a Justin Fields get hurt time and time again and Eli Manning never does. I do think a lot of a quarterback’s health over the course of a career is are you good pre- snap? Do you see the blitzes coming? Do you get rid of the ball quickly? Do you understand your personnel and where to slide protection and where not to? I don’t think every injury for Joe Burrow is always on the bad O line for the Bengals. I I don’t know. It just feels like to me we always blame the O line and it seems like the Bradies and the Eli’s they get down or they don’t get hurt. Yeah, you’re I mean listen protect the team by protecting yourself. I mean you’re on to something here. Obviously, this LA last injury, Yon Burrow, it’s, you know, I’m not saying it’s his fault, but uh, you know, as a franchise quarterback, which he clearly is, one of the great players in the game of all time already. Uh, there’s something to not being hurt. There’s something to not ending the season on IR. U, you know, like the great quarterbacks, you mentioned some guys, but whether it’s Brady or or Breeze or Manning or Stafford, you know, how many seasons do they end on on IR? I think that’s something that they learn. You know, you see Tom Brady, Pton Manning, they throw a pick. Um, are they going after it making the tackle? Sometimes they live to play another play. They just get down. So, I think it’d be very easy to sort of blame the Bengals. Oh, the Bengals aren’t spending enough money. They’re not built. You know, I could blame the Bengals for maybe not building the whole roster properly, but offensively, if they’re going to give him the weapons, talking about Joe Burrow, that they’re given to him. I think one of the best things that he could learn to do going forward is understand that, hey, by protecting myself, by learning to live for the next play, um, I’m really doing my part to protect the team. And, you know, I I love Joe. I love his style. He takes a bunch of sacks. His eyes are downfield. He makes a bunch bunch of big plays. he’s willing to put his body on the line, but uh but at the same time, I think understanding your value to the team, uh that might be an area where, you know, he’s going to want to, you know, I I think play a little bit more like those guys you mentioned to Pton Manning and Eli Manning because of his value to the team. Finally, um M. Jones had his best game as a pro. He had no George KD, Brandon Iayuk. I said the playbook by Shanahan should be called quarterback for dummies. It’s like everybody gets it. I mean, M. Jones does not have a big arm. He’s not super athletic. They asked him to throw 39 times on the road. That I mean like the Eagles with Jaylen Hurst want him to throw it 23. It’s almost double the throws. And so I look at it yesterday and I’m like M. Jones looked great. I mean, what does Kyle do in terms of simplicity? He’s got backup tight ends. I’ve you know you who are they? He’s got to have some cheat code, does he not? For quarterbacks. Well, if you if you were to talk to quarterbacks around the league, I think you would hear this. I think you would hear that Kyle Shanahan and Matt Laflur are the guys that they would want to go play for. And you see guys try to resurrect their career by going and spending a year with those kind of guys. And there are other guys, I’m sure, uh Daniel Jones spent some time with Kevin O’Connell. Like there’s other guys, but you saw what Sam Darnold did when he went to San Fran, was there as a backup, kind of resurrected his career. I’m sure that’s what M. Jones thought, “Hey, listen. I’m going to go do that.” Now, am I going to overreact because of a good game against the Saints? Like, no, not necessarily. But this is why M. Jones chose to go there. This is why uh quarterbacks around the league sort of are jealous about the play caller, the scheme that is Kyle Shanahan, that is uh Matt Laflur. But uh to to overreact and think that maybe somehow uh uh you know like Brock Perie is not like the real difference maker on that team like to me I think he is but it goes handinhand with a great play caller great play designer which they clearly have in San Fran. I got to ask you this one more thing. I don’t know your injury history but I said whoever Dak Prescott’s surgeon is he didn’t get paid enough. Dak is so rejuvenated. His mobility is back. It’s rookie or secondyear Dak. And his confidence, his body language, like Dak looked unbelievable yesterday. And the Giants Dline’s pretty good. And they don’t, you know, CD Lamb’s obviously a special talent. Like he’s really good, but it’s not a great personnel group up front for him. Um, I don’t know. I always thought a pro aletes off surgery had to play their way back into confidence. I I I’m kind of blown away by Dak through two weeks. Can you explain it? Yeah, I’ve heard you say it. It’s the eye test. You see a guy right away you can tell what kind of offseason he had, you know, and there’s offseasons that you have that aren’t really successful. I mean, I remember I had one of those I think 0809 just like I didn’t I looked at myself and I didn’t feel fast. I didn’t feel explosive. I didn’t feel powerful. You’ve heard Dak Prescott talk about this this talk about that this year saying like I didn’t like how I was last year, especially as a runner. And so he’s worked on that. I think he looks different physically. I think he looks different running the ball. He’s been great. He’s been great. And I I know this for a fact as a as a player, as a quarterback, especially when you feel great about your offseason training. When you feel strong and fit and powerful and explosive, you feel confident. Like you feel confident as a player, you feel you just feel different. And I think your teammates feel it. And I think there’s an emotional intelligence that uh kind of like rubs off on the sidelines. If you watch Dak this year, he’s not like sitting on the bench, you know, getting drinks and water and Gatorade and all that stuff the whole time. He’s on his feet. He’s dapping up his teammates. He’s walking up and down offense, defense, O line. He’s engaged. I just think that that to me that screams like a guy that had a great off seasonason. Whatever he did, it was great and I think he should continue to do that. Yeah. I mean, they asked him to throw against that front for the Giants 52 times and yet he still had at the end of the game. The energy to peel off I mean to throw 52 times in the NFL. That is the calorie burn itself is insane. And then he peels off a run in overtime and I’m like, dude, that is that is alltime stuff. That is impressive. And and having his legs is an important piece to the puzzle of who he is as a player. when he came in that rookie year when he replaced Tony Romo, he gave them a little bit of a boost with the mobility with the naked bootlegs and that one scramble that just breaks the defense back when they call the right play. So, you know, that’s an important thing. And this is a dangerous team with a great kicker. They’re saying his range is like 70 yards. Look, look out for Dallas. They’re a lot better than people thought pre uh before the season. All right, Matt Hasselbeck as always. Great stuff on a Monday. Yeah, I mean I you you go look folks when you ask a quarterback to throw 52 times in a pass rush of the Giants and they’re still scrambling for the first down late. It’s it’s impressive. Matt Hasselbeck, thank you for stopping by on a Monday. We still got a lot to talk
Description: Colin Cowherd is joined by Matt Hasselbeck to react to the latest in NFL Week 2. They start with whether Patrick Mahomes and the Kansas City Chiefs are on the same level as the Philadelphia Eagles. Next they react to Ben Johnson’s brutal loss to Dan Campbell and the Detroit Lions. Is Caleb Williams not the answer for the Chicago Bears? Is it too early to worry about J.J. McCarthy’s future on the Minnesota Vikings? Will the Cincinnati Bengals have success without Joe Burrow? Does Kyle Shanahan deserve more credit for Mac Jones beating the New Orleans Saints? Finally, is Dak Prescott back and ready to carry the Dallas Cowboys?
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32 comments
Burrow creates his own issues by holding the ball too long ng and dancing too much… get the ball out or go down live to play another down
JOE to Vikings.
Lets just be real. Burrow is not that guy and is never going to win anything. Hes severely overrated and is just a stat padding player. Prove me wrong
He needs to stop getting hurt. It’s not the Bengals fault.
As a Bengals fan for 54 years, I know that this ownership structure is to blame. Joe Burrow would be wise to wake up and seek a trade to an organization that actually strives to win, through training camp, player investment and a culture of protecting your QB
This is not Joe Burrow’s fault. When you constantly get sacked because you have a weak offensive line that can’t protect you, Yes! Your chances of getting injured increase significantly. Mike Brown picks up these low budget players that can’t make the cut on other teams, and puts them up front to protect the best quarterback the Bengals ever had in franchise history.
Burrows career will probably take an Andrew Luck turn if he stays in Cinci.
Bengals are also rans!!
If, if, joe burrow is smart he would trade himself to Indianapolis Colts, ohio is a black hole for almost any sport…
Hasselback was a certified bum
EVERYONE needs to leave the bungels to be successful 😂😂😂😂
No one knows how to coach or protect a pocket passer as well as BILL BELICHICK ! Burrow is one of the last remaining true pocket passers
Knowing Burrow is injury prone and to not have a good backup like cousins/tannihill is your own fault.
So tired of these blowhot pundits. Didnt get hurt because he was sacked. The turf got him. And he always tries to step up in the pocket. Needs to roll out more.
They make a good point about Burrow.
Burrows injuries have mostly been on him.
Well the first burrow injury was definitely the left guard. But the other injuries are just freak accidents. A couple years ago he literally was out for the season from just throwing it with no pressure
I mean…. he's played one bad game and the team is 2-0…..
They paid all the guys he wanted….
Yes he does
He’d be getting down every play. I’ve never seen a more atrocious offensive line. Pressure from the snap every single play while all other QBs have time to throw. I see it every week.
I wish middle-aged and older men would stop saying things like “cheat codes” and “kept receipts.”
lineman cant even block until the whistle blows. I don’t know why they don’t spend the money they need to on what matters. But expects a Super Bowl
Joe needs to get out of Cincinnati sooner rather than later. If he played for any other team that had a decent defense, he would have a ring by now.
U an idiot 😂 colin
Won’t help to leave. He’s injury prone, he won’t succeed anywhere
Thank you Colin for saying that. Joe burrow holds the ball to much. Period. He trash and injury prone
I’ll keep this simple… YES & YES
One of the best segments of the football year
Bengals can definitely go 7-8 and without burrow and be at 9-8. If he's back then 3 months maybe they're 10-7. Best case scenario and they sneak in the playoffs.
40 year Bengal fan and I am from the 740 where Joe is from and the answer is YES!! Joe needs to leave. They will not protect him.
Joe to the Seahawks!!!