Over or Under? Debating the Detroit Pistons’ 2025-26 Regular Season Win Total | Podcast
On this week’s edition of the Palace of Pistons podcast, we get into the highly polarizing debate of if the Pistons will go over their projected win total of 46 and a half wins. Really interesting debate. Certainly interested to hear what you guys think in the comments section. Let us know after you listen to today’s show. Without further ado, let’s get into it. Good evening everybody and welcome to another exciting night of NBA basketball. The Mists are digging in. They got the depth. They got the big man. They got the better basketball team. No doubt about it. Pistons need a three and they have just under 3 seconds to do it. Here’s Johny Phillips. Here it is. He’s got it. He’s got it. Phillips hits the overtime. Amazing. Detroit basketball. Pistons fans. Welcome back to the Palace of Vistance podcast, part of the Believe Network and brought to you by FanDuel. I’m your host, Mike Tanguelano. Joining me this week is the full casting crew, Aaron Johnson and Jasper Abalone. Fellas, how are you doing on this lovely Thursday afternoon? I am just so ready for basketball to be back. I am done with the hypotheticals. I’m done with the theories. I am just ready to actually see a ball bounce on a court and then go through a net or hit off a rim. I I need actual basketball. Um I actually was watching some of the the FIA stuff that was some actually really high level basketball. I wish it was a little bit easier to uh access stateates side because those games are incredibly entertaining and getting to see these these NBA players go over and and dominate and just like the the passion for the ba for basketball is over there is incredible. So, that was really really some entertaining stuff to watch. But, I’m ready for the NBA to be back. I’m ready to see if the off season that the Pistons had I’m ready to see what it looks like on the court now. I’m ready to see where they stack up in the East. So, man, I as much as I love being here every week, we are at our wits end with coming up with stuff to talk about in an offseason that just has not been as exciting as previous offseasons for Detroit in terms of the number of moves, uh, the variety of moves, the importance of moves, things like that. So, I’m just ready for basketball to be back. Good news is we’re getting close. NBA media day, Pistons media day is coming up. It is uh not the coming Monday, but the Monday after that. So, we are really closing the gap on the start of the season, and I’m ready for it. Aaron, we were talking about it before Mike joined us. Uh we It’s It’s true. This has been like the hardest off season for us to record ever, and it’s because of the lack of negativity. It’s what we thrive off of. It’s what we need in our lives. And uh I I have to give it to the haters. They were 100% correct. Everybody in the comments section, you were right. We need the negativity. Uh this is this is what drives us. This is what sustains us. Um you know, Aaron, you were talking about how hard it was for you to watch those FIA games. Uh you should have just done what I did and uh scrolled through TikTok. I watched uh 10,000 different clips uh of Adam was proud of you. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Uh I watched uh uh Simony Fontio go up for a jumper like this. Uh and it took me five minutes. I had to keep scrolling. But, you know, that’s what the game’s all about. It’s all about negativity. It’s all about content. Uh, it’s all about um scrolling. That’s really what it is. But we hope you don’t scroll past this video right here. We hope that you stay right on us. And we hope that the only scrolling you do is through the Palace of Piston Substack as you go from one delicious content article to another one. Isn’t that right, Mike? Boy, you are in pristine form. Jasper, did you practice fall off the rails too soon here? But Jasper brought up Simony Fonte and it’s like for all my my wrestling people, if you say Joe Henry’s name, he appears. Well, if you say Fontekio’s name, I’ve got something to say. And uh I from the various podcasts that I’ve listened to this off seasonason, a lot of people are really high on Simone Fonteo in Miami. I’ve heard Zack Low say a lot of nice things about him in Miami. I’ve heard Bill Simmons say that he’s really excited to see Fonteo in Miami. And Fonteo uh I know he had at least one really, really big game in uh FIVA. So hey, I don’t know. You brought that up. you brought his name up and I just all of a sudden I’m remembering all of the national media that’s all of a sudden big on Simone Fonteo now that he’s a Miami Heat. Yeah, that’s that’s exactly what it is is the Miami Heatification. Remember the Lakers thought that Gabe Vincent was the game changer. The game changer because he was so good in Miami. No. No. The Heat have this aura, this like distortion field and the rest of the league thinks that they manufacture good players. They don’t. doesn’t happen. The heat just or you heard it here first. I mean, look, the evidence is plain as day. Um, we’re gonna get to scrolling, though. We’re going to get to scrolling. We’re going to get to highlights and the commissioner of NBA basketball saying that this is a highlight driven league, which is insane. David Stern is might actually be rising out of the grave right now to seek his vengeance. We’re going to talk about that. That’s true. It’s it’s a gambling driven league and we’re going to talk about that too, right? Well, we are going to talk about that thanks to our sponsor for this show, FanDuel. Um, we’re going to start by talking about the Pistons overunder for wins in the regular season set at 46 and a half. Guys, the over plus 100, the undersus 122. The East is pretty weak. The Pistons are bringing a lot of guys back. Continuity is the name of the game. Um, at least now this the the the years of off massive offseason turnover are over. They had their day in the sun, but it’s all about continuity. So, the Pistons are bringing back a lot of core players aside from Malik Beasley. Um, but 46 and a half wins. Do we feel like like Jasper, I guess I’ll start with you because I haven’t talked to you in like a month, I think. Um, I know I missed you, buddy. I missed you, too. What are you taking u for at 46 and a half wins for the Detroit Pistons this upcoming season? You know, Mike, I’m taking the over. And that’s even without the Malik Beasley situation being resolved yet. If if he is signed, I’m solidly taking the over. But even if he isn’t, I’m still sticking with the over. And there’s a couple reasons for that. One, the East is still very weak. Um, I I know a couple teams in, you know, obviously Orlando and Atlanta and perhaps the Toronto Raptors have taken a little bit of a step forward. Um, we’ll see if Chicago can finally get their their together with like their young players. I doubt it, but we will see. Um, but then I look at the rest of of the East and look, Indiana without Tyrese Hallebertton, Boston without uh Jason Tatum. Uh, and then you look at Milwaukee even, they lost uh Damen Lillard this off season. Who the hell knows what’s going to go on with Philadelphia? Like, yeah, they probably will get Joel Embiid back, but who the hell knows what he’s going to look like? So, from the the way that I see it, even if the Pistons didn’t improve at all this offseason, they’d be around where they were last season, which is 44 wins. But I think when you take other aspects regarding the roster into account, I see them as taking not like a huge step forward, but a small step forward. And I think you just need to look at last year’s Milwaukee Bucks team to see how little it would take for them to get to 47 wins. Look, last year Milwaukee finished with 48 wins. Uh they had the 11th best offensive rating in the NBA and the 12th best defensive rating in the NBA. Uh last year for the Detroit Pistons, they had the 16th best offense in the NBA and the 11th best defense in the NBA. So, you’re not talking about a the necessity for a massive leap at either end of the floor in in order for you to see a gradual small increase in wins. And I think that’s very very possible for this team. And even if you just count on internal improvement, I think if if Jaylen Duran or Jaden Ivy can take any step forward defensively, that’s going to be a big thing. Um, if you can have Assar Thompson take a step forward offensively, that’s going to be huge. And if Kate Cunningham can take himself from being like a top 15 player to a top 10 player in the NBA, that also could just be those small little things that drive you over uh push you over the hump in in that regard. I think the other thing there is that like you did not have Assar Thompson and Jaden Ivy for the whole year. You got both of those guys for half a season and they were separated from each other in that span. So, when I look at it, if they can just get a little bit better health with those key young guys, if they can get a little bit of a step forward, I didn’t even mention Ron Holland. Like, if Ron Holland could come off the bench and be, you know, the kind of destroyer he looked like in summer league on both ends of the floor, that also could make a huge difference because look, they depended on on Malik Beasley coming off the bench so much last year for offense. If you can get a little bit of that that out of Ron Holland, that’s huge. And then you just look at the new signings they brought in. Yes, you lost a couple guys. Aaron was was talking about Dennis Shruder before we started the pod. I think that’s probably the biggest loss if they obviously not counting Malik Beasley. We will see what happens there. But I think that they with the additions of Duncan Robinson replaced some of that shooting. I think with the addition of Caris Levert, they upped their their slashing abilities. I think they upped some playm and that was a big thing for them as well especially after losing Jaden Ivy. So the way I look at it is look if they can just keep guys healthy have players take small step forward small steps forward excuse me and have these new additions to the roster gel. I I don’t see it as being a very difficult thing for them to get you know three more wins. I think it’s very very feasible. you just need to take some tiny tiny steps forward and continue to play in the Eastern Conference. Yeah, I here here’s the thing for me and and and it really hinges on Malik Beasley because I certainly see the case for over 46 and a half wins if this team has Malik Beasley. But I think FanDuel did a really really good job with this line and it’s really tough for me to feel certain one way or the other. But right now looking at their current roster, I’m actually going to go under. And for for me, couple things that stand out is just the guys that they lost from last year’s team. I know Dennis Rutder and and Malik Beasley are not irreplaceable type of players, but I look back at some of these games last year and I think about the the close game that Detroit played against the Atlanta Hawks in uh was it was it March? It was February, late February. and Dennis Shrutder. It wasn’t too long after he had joined the Pistons, but he played a massive role for them and they made some really big plays down the stretch to win them that game. I think about, you know, the game where he flirted with a triple double at 17, 10, and seven against the Cleveland Cavaliers. I think about all the games that Malik Beasley just couldn’t miss the net. I think about when the Pistons played the the 76ers on national TV and Malik Beasley went for what was it 34 36 points and the Pistons won that game without Kate Cunningham, without Jaden Ivy. I just don’t know if they replaced those two guys who quite frankly they do have the ability to just win you some games with the the impact that they can have if they just go off on a nightly basis. I don’t think that Duncan Robinson has that. I don’t think that Carris Levert has those type of explosive performances in them. That’s not to say that they’re not going to help this team, that they’re not going to make a more of a level set impact on a gamely basis. Like maybe their their floors a little bit higher. You know, maybe Duncan Robinson doesn’t have the the three, four game stretch like Malik Beasley did where he couldn’t hit a three-point shot. But I just don’t know if either of those guys could go off and win you a game in the way that Dennis Shruder and Malik Beasley did for the Pistons on several occasions last year. So for me, I I think it’s a really tough line and and I see a world where sure the Pistons could go over and the Pistons could get to 50 wins, but if I look at this roster right now and I’m looking at a roster without Malik Beasley and that’s unfortunate because he kind of holds these all of the broader discussions that we’ve held around the Pistons, Malik Beasley’s situation is kind of held it hostage with not knowing his status. But if I’m looking at a Detroit team right now that in my mind doesn’t really have a true backup point guard, I I guess they’re going to try to make it work between Carris Lever and Jaden Ivy when Kate Cunningham’s not in the court. They don’t have Malik Beasley and I don’t know what they’re going to do uh in terms of power forward depth. I I just feel like, hey, they might be a little better. They might win 45, might win 46 games. I don’t know if they go over that though because I just I don’t know if they have the the swing players and I don’t know if they have the the vital positional depth, particularly the the additional uh point guard help that’s needed to win games. You know, obviously all of this depends on health and if Kate Cunningham misses any, you know, significant stretch of time, then this this goes out of the window anyway. even if he’s missing two, three, four game stretch, how are the Pistons going to survive on ball handling, on playmaking, on running their offense? So, I have my questions about this team. I I it’s not that I don’t think the overs unobtainable. I think it is. I think it becomes even more obtainable if Malik Beasley is back, and that is certainly the hope, but we don’t know that yet. Um, so if I have to look at what this where this theme is at right now, I also have to consider that and I don’t know if we want to make this a little bit more of a broader topic, but I also have to look at the East. You know, last year there were just so many bad bad teams in the East. And I feel like this year maybe there’s not as many teams that could vive for first, second, third, but there are a lot of teams that could at least compete for around 40 wins. And that’s going to make the nightly basis a little bit more challenging. You know, I think if I looked at the East right now, obviously Atlanta is going to be better than what they were last year. Toronto should be much better than what they were last year. And then you have those teams that I think are just going to be competitive. A because of the infra infrastructure. be because they have enough talent to at least be feisty on a nightly basis, even if they’re not true powerhouses or contenders in the East. Those teams like Boston, Indiana, I think Milwaukee is still going to be fine. They have one of the the the top three players in the league, and I like what they did this off season uh to get him a little bit more versatility versatility and depth around him. Uh, I think the 76ers have a a higher ceiling than where they ended last year just in case any of their top talent is healthy. They get Jared McCain back on top of Embiid and hopefully Paul George if those guys suit up. I just think the East is going to be a little bit more competitive in that like mid to lower tier of like 4 through 10, 4 through 11. Like there are teams that are going to fight on a nightly basis whereas Yeah. there’s going to be, you know, Brook Brooklyn and and and even Washington though. They like they could compete a little bit in theory. I don’t know. I I think this is a really good line and I I don’t want to give someone else a chance to talk here, but if I had to say it right now, I think I’m leaning just under. I I get what you’re saying there, but like I Yeah, perhaps the the bottom of the East has gotten a little bit better, but like nothing there is set in stone for me. I Yeah, maybe Indiana will like be feisty, but they’re going to take a step back. Like, yeah, Boston will still be feisty, but they’re going to take a big step back. I don’t see anybody in this conference outside of Cleveland that I’m like, this is probably a loss, you know, if you step on the floor with them. It’s you’re probably not going to win that game. You’re not going to be favored. I don’t really see anybody but them and what maybe the Knicks where I’m like, right off the rip, this is going to be a really really tough game. I know people love Orlando. I like Desmond Bane as much as the next guy, but like I need to see it with them first. And if you had set this line at 48 and a half, I would feel totally differently. Totally differently. I definitely would be going with the under there. But I think 47 wins is just so doable. And like, yeah, I I understand what you’re saying in regards to, you know, losing Malik Beasley, but I think you underestimate the impact that Cade Cunningham has as a playmaker by saying that. I don’t know if it was so much about Malik Beasley as it was just like if you get a guy who can shoot off the catch at a 40 plus percent, Kate Cunningham’s going to get him 10 threes a game. Like, that’s just what it’s going to look like. he can get you 10 looks at a three-point shot every single game and you’re going to be able to put up historic levels of production because that’s the kind of creator he is because that’s the kind of, you know, gravity he creates for himself. Um, I I do think they got better playmaking wise and I think they also got better defensively and like that to me is really the key. I think an entire season of Assar Thompson I I think you are underestimating the impact that that will have on this team because look they started off really slow last year on that end of the ball. We remember first couple games like it was like this team is completely lost defensively and you look at that versus like at the end of the year night and day man. So, I just think like the the continuity of this roster and just having another off season and putting some pieces that I actually think fit a little bit better um into the overall skill set of this team. I think it’s I I think it’s just enough to get you a few more than you were last year. You just need three more wins than last season. And I think as long as you have Kate Cunningham on the floor, I think it’s very possible. I think very quickly you’re going to figure out the difference between Duncan Robinson and Malik Beasley. You have to replace 10 threes a game. Duncan Robinson’s never shot more than he hasn’t shot more than eight threes a game since 2020. So there’s there’s he’s going to be asked to take in a lot of volume pretty quickly off the rip. Um he was pretty healthy last year. That was the first time he missed less than 10 games in three years, four yearsish. So, you’re going to be asking a lot of him right out of the gate. Not saying he can’t do it. I think the Pistons pivoted in the best way that they could given the the circumstances. Um, but to me, their growth to get over, cuz I’m taking the over as as well. Their growth to that 47 wins is going to come to me out of Assar Thompson, out of Ron Holland, and out of Jaden Ivy. you’re going to be asking for much more out of those guys. And for for Ivy, it’s going to be being healthy. For Holland, he might have to play the backup four. You might have to put him in some weird positions. JB’s going to have to get creative. I know. Do you put him in the back of a three? You could, but you’re really lacking a backup four. You could put Thompson at the four, too. uh in some weirder lineups and then you’re going to have to um rely on the growth of those younger guys. It’s that’s that’s their pathway. The Pistons arrived early last year. They arrived like probably a season and a half, two seasons earlier than the front office probably thought they would. So, they didn’t make a whole lot of moves. Um the other thing that I’m considering is that they are primed for an actual mid-season acquisition. Um, they have the contracts to do it. Duncan Robinson has a very movable contract. I think his he has heavy partial guarantees on those last couple of seasons. That’s a movable contract. Um, so I’m not betting on a move, but I think they’re more lined up to make a move in a pretty weak conference that could push them into that tier one player in the East. Yeah. I don’t I don’t necessarily love the just we I don’t know if we can compare Malik Beasley and Duncan Robinson and just say Duncan Robinson comes in and and is a fine replacement for Malik Beasley. He is from the standpoint of yes, obviously Duncan Robinson is going to benefit playing off the playmaking of Kate Cunningham, getting those spot up opportunities, those three-point shot opportunities off the playmaking of Kate Cunningham. But Malik Beasley has been a better three-point shooter than Duncan Robinson in terms of both efficiency and volume for the last two years. He’s three years younger. And to be fair, he can also do more with the ball in his hands, even if it’s limited, than what Duncan Robinson can do. That being said, Mike, I firmly agree with you that if the Pistons take a step forward this year, if they get over this uh win total of 46 and a half, it’s not going to be because of, hey, they added Duncan Robinson, hey, they added Caris Lever. It’s going to be because, well, they got Jaden Ivy back and they didn’t start the season without Assar Thompson for the first whatever it was, 20-ish games. And Ron Holland’s now in year two and Jaylen Duran is now 23 years old. he somehow played three or four seasons already and is still only going to be 23 at the start of next season. Like they’re going to be better because of the internal development. And so if I if I’m saying they’re at the under because I haven’t seen that internal development yet or I haven’t seen those steps yet, that’s going to be the case. But you’re 100% right in saying if they’re better, it’s going to be because young guy A, young guy B, young guy C took these steps forward. It’s not going to be because of Duncan Robinson or Carouselberg. Yeah. I mean, I think my argument in in terms of like those guys is just like they I I don’t know. I I actually don’t know if I agree with you on that. I I think Harris Levert is to me like a genuine upgrade in terms of roster fit. Like in terms of his versatility, he’s far more versatile than Shruder. Um, I I don’t think that the playmaking because you look at what Shreuder was asked to do for this team, especially when it came to the playoffs. It it was more of an offguard role for the majority of his minutes, you know, especially when he was playing with Kade. He was not getting the ball handling reps. So, he was playing like a lot of shooting guard as well when he was in Detroit. And I think like Caris Levert can slide really between that one and three in a way that Shruder was more of like a one two kind of guy. Uh the thing with like Duncan Robinson, Malik Beasley as well is like dude you look at the last four seasons uh Malik Beasley and Duncan Robinson like their difference in three-point attempts per 36 minutes. It’s half an attempt per per 36. Like it’s not that big of a difference. And then I think you also have to look at like the players they played with. Uh last three seasons Malik Beasley’s had Kate Cunningham and Giannis Antompo. He also had uh what’s his name again? He had some guy named LeBron James he was playing with a little bit as well. Like he’s had elite playmakers to get him the ball. Duncan Robinson has not had that that kind of luxury at all. I mean, who’s the best playmaker playmaker he’s been with over the last three, four seasons in Miami? The corpse of Kyle Lowry, Jimmy Butler, like it it hasn’t been especially overwhelming from a playmaking perspective. So, I just think like if you look at the boost in Malik Beasley’s numbers last year, I just think that like you could see a little bit of that with Duncan Robinson to where no, it’s not a onetoone fit. But yes, I think we’re all in agreement. Ultimately, like the ceiling of this team depends on the young players taking steps forward. And really, honestly, like another equation for me is that I do still think Malik Beasley returns to the Pistons. So, if I’m a betting man, I’m looking at this line and I’m saying, “Look, you just add Malik Beasley to the equation. How much does does the line go up?” Probably goes to that 48 and a half, which is where I start getting a little scared. But if I’m somebody that believes Malik Beasley is coming back to this team, I think 46 and a half, it’s like it you you have to not believe in these young players or this coaching staff’s ability to to coach them up if you’re if you’re taking the under. I think like I don’t see how you could see it otherwise. I I mean really like how many teams have a superstar on them, have continuity yeartoyear, um have a roster that is improved, and that’s me saying Malik Beasley is is there um has young players that get better and doesn’t improve their win total by at least three games. I think to me that would be a very very very odd situation. are they? It’s not about taking a a step backward because I don’t think they take a step backward if they only win 45 or or 46 games. And that that doesn’t mean that JB Baker staff did a bad job or coaching did a bad job. Again, I think a big factor in this is I think the Eastern Conference is just a little bit more balanced this year in terms of the number of teams that should be able to compete. And you’ll still have your bad teams. You’ll still have your teams that tank, but I just think there are enough teams that are going to be playing with the intention of winning, trying to win that on a nightly basis, it’s just going to be harder. And I I don’t want to necessarily go back cuz this was minutes ago, but I don’t know if I really care all that much that Caris Leverk can play the three on top of being able to play the one on two, one and two like Dennis Shruder could because this team’s already got a a lot of guys that can play the three, especially if Malik Beasley’s coming back. So I I still think they should have prioritized getting Dennis Shruder over Carol Svert. And I and I’m sure that part of paying Caris Levert what they paid him was because of when the Malik Beasley stuff happened with it being on the eve of free agency and them needing to try to pivot before everybody got signed up and they were left with a major hole in the roster. But and this isn’t a knock on carvert like he’s going to help this team. He’s going to do some good things. Absolutely. But I don’t know if a selling point for me is that, you know, at 66 he can play the three when the Pistons have a lot of guys that they could stick there if if they really need to. For me, Caris Levert’s value is going to be can he come in and can he play the one? Can he help run some of that backup offense at a high enough level? And that is what I’ll be interested to see if he’s capable of doing and if what shooting season he’s going to have. Because if you look at his statistics, it’s a year up, it’s a year down, it’s a year up, it’s a year down. That’s one of the big things for me with how many question marks the Pistons have, uh, when it comes to three-point shooters. I don’t know if I want someone on the wing that can’t shoot when I already have those guys in Assar Thompson, in Ron Holland, etc., etc. So, that’s just that’s just how I feel on when we’re looking at Dennis Shruder versus Carol Levert. Yeah, I mean I but I think I think like Mike said like that’s not the key to this season. It’s it’s how do the young guys progress and like 100% and and I think I think we’re also all in agreement like health obviously. I just it goes without saying. Um I’m just not as scared of the rest of the East as you are. I I look at Toronto and I go like ooaya Jabi like I I don’t know. I don’t I I not scared of that team. I I look at them and I look at the Pistons roster and I say this is a team you should beat seven out of 10 times when you match up with them. Like you you look at Indiana without Tyres Hallebertton, that is a team you should beat seven out of 10 times. Pas Pascal Seakum’s a nice player, don’t get me wrong, but the Pistons have more nice players than those teams do. and uh they have the best player and I think that’s the difference for me is like you look at the rest of these teams in the east and you go yeah Philly should probably be better but at the end of the day who’s got the best player and like I think in you’re looking up and down this conference outside of Milwaukee and let’s see outside of Milwaukee arguably I mean Cleveland’s a different story I don’t even want to say that Milwaukee the Knicks. Who else who else in this in this conference when they match up with the Pistons says we definitively have the best player on on the court right now? I don’t I don’t disagree with that point, but I’ll add and I think that’s the difference. If you think the Pistons are winning 48 49 games, that means that you’re expecting they finish what? Third, fourth in the conference. Fourth. I mean, Milwaukee finished with 48 last year and they finished fourth in the conference. I think that’s a totally I I think that should be the expectation for this season. Period. Like I I don’t I think anything less than that is not a failure, but a disappointment to be sure. Yes, you need to win more games than last year. If you have a full season of Assar Thompson and Jaden Ivy and Kate Cunningham and Jaylen Duran, 100% you should win more than 46 games. I I just don’t see how you can’t. Well, there are pathways to not and it goes back to those young guys, but I agree. If they’re all healthy, that’s why I’m taking the over. If Malik Beasley comes back, I’m definitely taking the over because they are deeper now. I mean, I have without getting into Cavs talk, I feel like Brian Windhor, there’s always Cavs corner on the Fists podcast. Carris Levert is a helpful player. I don’t think that was a negative signing in any way. I do worry about him taking away shots from other guys that you’d rather have shooting. Yeah, Mike, since you watched a ton of Caris Levert last year and the year before that and you watched the Pistons, who would you rather have, Dennis Shruder or Caris Levert for this Pistons team? I’d probably rather have Shruder personally um because I think you need a guy to orchestrate the offensive vet to come in and run things and Levert can do that and he was asked to do that under JB many times. I think he his first year of like buying in to the Cavs, he had five assists per game as a backup, which is fine for a wing. That’s more than acceptable for a team that also had Darius Garland and had just gotten Donovan Mitchell. I think that was acceptable. Um there’s nothing to say he can’t do that again. It’s the shooting that I worry about. He can shoot you out of games. He can take shots. I think you’re going to see at times his ability to break down a defender is going to become very useful. Pistons didn’t really have that outside of Cade, especially when Jaden Ivy was un, you know, not playing. So, I think that will be very useful in certain situations. It can also hurt you. So, it’s finding that balance. He’s going to hurt you. He’s going to win you some games. It’s just that’s the Caris Lever experience. I mean, but that was true of Dennis Shruder as well. And I think here’s the key to it is look, the reason they got Shruder is because Ivy went down. And you’re right, Mike. Yes, he can orchestrate an offense better than Caris Levert can, but that’s not what they are looking for. They’re still trying, as far as I know, to split those reps between Cade and Jaden Ivy. And I think that Caris Levert fits better into that plan than Dennis Shruder does. Dennis Rutder is a guy who wants to have the ball. He whether he’s as a point guard or if he’s as a shooting guard and he’s also a guy who can shoot you out of games. Let’s not forget that either. So, I think for me when I look at it, it’s like it’s about fit. It’s it’s about a fit for the overall roster. I think Caris Levert in many ways fits that better as long as you have a healthy starting back court of of Kate Cunningham and Jaden Ivy. If he goes down though, okay, now I think there’s an argument to be made that you’d rather have Shruder. But look, if if if you’re trying to get Jaden Ivy playmaking rep still, I think it has makes more sense to have a guy like Caris Levert on your team who just is going to take some of those playmaking opportunities, but not be a guy that has to have the playmaking opportunities in the way that Dennis Shruder does in order to really be effective. Um, that that’s the way I’m kind of looking at it. It’s like how does he fit into this roster and into their plans? If the Pistons plan is, and I don’t think this has been released cuz I I haven’t seen it. If their plan is Jay Nivy’s the backup point guard and that’s definitive, that’s their plan, then the Caris Levert signing makes a lot more sense because he can play the one, he can play the two, he could play the three. He’s not going to play any higher than that. But he’s he’s a guy that is a little more multi-toolled and can play different positions in a pinch and fill some different roles. If your plan is Ivy as the backup point guard and that’s what you’re going in with, then I’m on board with Caris Levert as a secondary playmaker as opposed to him being the primary backup point guard. Yes. And that and that’s what I’m talking about. Maybe he’s the primary playmaker for five, seven minutes a game, but you’re still staggering minutes. Like I don’t see that changing. That’s what they went into last season with a plan B. And I don’t see any difference in terms of of their philosophy this off season. And I think here’s the last thing I’ll say, Aaron, be before I I turn it over to you. I think we also have to take into account Assar Thompson’s development as a playmaker. It’s a thing. It’s a real thing. We’ve seen it with him and Jaylen Duran. They have chemistry there in in pick and roll and handoff and, you know, and and those kind of situations. Um, and we’ve heard the Pistons talk about their desire to get him more playmaking reps this off season. We saw it with his brother in in Houston and how much of a leap he made there. And I think with a full off season, maybe you don’t expect that same level of play of playmaking as you get from Amen. But I think you want to get him more reps in those situations. And again, that’s a thing where I just go like Carris Levert is not going to be like, “Hey, I’m on the court. I’m dictating what the offense is doing at all times in the way that Dennis Rutder would.” and Dennis Rutder, don’t get me wrong, they needed that last year, but I think when you look at their priorities this year, it’s not the same thing. And Caris Levert fits into that better if you’re trying to bring along the playmaking of of Jaden and and Assar and even to a lesser extent, Jaylen. Yeah. I mean, look, we’ll see if if these young guys, which has been the the crux of this conversation, the Pistons going over or under likely depends on what type of developmental steps that the young core takes. That’s the crux of this conversation. If they take these steps that we’re talking about, then yes, I the Pistons will probably go over. But I don’t know. I I would have liked them to handle the free agency a little bit better. And I understand, you know, we’ll probably get a comment saying, “Well Dennis Shruder signed to Sacramento to be the starter.” Totally understand that. Got good money and he got a guaranteed starting spot apparently. But as I’ve stated before, didn’t necessarily have to be Dennis Shruder that they brought in. I even if it wasn’t Dennis Shruder, bringing in more of a traditional seasoned experienced point guard. I I don’t know. I feel like I’m a little bit higher, I guess, on what Dennis Shruder did for Detroit last year than than others. But I I felt like he was just a really really great presence. And I think the Pistons felt that in the playoffs because he played so much. But um it is it’s it’s a big loss. But if these young guys do take the steps that we think that they can take, then maybe it won’t matter as much as I’m sitting here saying it it could. I’ll ask the last question on this topic and then we’ll move on since we’ve done 37 minutes on this which great job guys. Um Erin, would you have paid what did he get paid by Sacramento? Would you have paid Dennis Shruder that amount of money to be the backup point guard? 14 and a half mil, right? He got he got what? He got more than Ty Million more than Caris Lebert got. So yeah, I would have paid in that. And Caris Lebert’s contract was, as far as we know, has is has no like partial guarantees or anything that like that. It’s a fully guaranteed contract. It’s a fully guaranteed. Yep. I would have given Dennis Shruder the extra half a million dollars or a million dollars a year that it was. But obviously, you know, having the opportunity to be a starter is very important and he gets that in. So, I totally understand that. It’s just a Dennis Shruder type of guy if you weren’t able to get back Dennis Shruder. And I mean like if you go back and remember Dennis Shruder was online saying that he’d like to be back in Detroit but doesn’t sound like he’s going to be uh and that was what the right before the starter for agency. So you know obviously he wanted to be back at least in some capacity or at least wanted to explore it. So yeah I would have if you’re talk because you can essentially look at Caris Sver or Dennis Shruder they got paid essentially the same amount. If you had to pick one I would pick Dennis Shruder. Well here’s the good news Aaron. Uh I have looked at Sacramento’s roster and uh there’s a good chance Dennis Shooter will be available at trade deadline. So especially if Russell Westbrook ends up there. If Russell Westbrook and Jonathan Kuminga end up there. Yeah, this is going to be the um oh it it’s going to be like the Jack Flity move of uh for for the for the Pistons like it was for the Tigers. Jack Flade Jack Flity at the the deadline to get a couple prospects and then he ends up coming back in the offseason. It’ll be essentially like that for the Pistons because I was going to say it it’s it’s going to look like those early 2000s Cavs rosters for for Mike. You got like Shawn Kemp and Ricky Davis and you’re just like who are these men and how can I get them off of my basketball team? Oh. Oh, and you even got your own Ziluna Silgowskis in uh in Sabonis. Oh, baby. It’s like the the the poor uh European uh uh center who just is like desperately doing whatever he can to get an all-star birth and like win a game or two. I love it. Ah, it got some strong energy. Z was very underrated with those Cavs teams. That’s neither here nor there. Let’s let’s move to our second topic, which is a little more general. Um, the commissioner of the NBA went out. I don’t know what interview this was for. I just saw a clip because I’m apparently guilty of doing what the commissioner says we should be doing, which is just scrolling uh for NBA content if you can’t afford to watch the games. And The Athletic did a like I guess a little study about the average cost it would be for a fan to not only subscribe to all of the inmarket games, but the out of market games as well. It was like over 800 bucks. That’s what it would cost the average NBA fan to consume all all of their games. So, the question was posed to the commissioner. I agree. Awful. Um, you know, any comment on making the league more accessible, bringing down the cost of League Pass, etc. And he basically said, “We have a lot of other ways to consume the league, lots of free ways to do that on YouTube and Tik Tok and social media.” sparked a lot of backlash as of yesterday or two days ago. He came out and said that, you know, he wants to clarify and say that he’s only talked about social media and the social mediaification of the NBA and that the NBA, you know, is a highlight driven league and that’s why he mentioned it. But I think there’s some merit to actually watching the games. And it’s helped in no part by ESPN having offseason specials and trade deadline specials where we’re slowly moving away from talking about the games and watching them to talking about hypotheticals, highlights, and essentially watering down the league to what a lot of traditionalists probably would think. And as a trio who has a podcast and has for a while and writes about things uh and has written about the Pistons for a long time, we’re in that sort of content creator sphere. We have a Tik Tok. Um so I just was wondering if you guys had any thoughts on that because I did. Um and it’s a terrible look from Adam Silver to be saying that if you can’t afford to watch the games, go on YouTube or Tik Tok and get your fix that way. That’s the wrong answer. I think we can all agree that that was probably the uh a poor course of action. But what are your thoughts on this, you know, like modern streaming of content in these really quick short bursts for the NBA? Is that good or bad for the league to sort of push people in that direction? the the NBA leaning in and and lending itself to the idea of being a highlight league, a tick- tock league is embarrassing. It is why it is incredibly difficult to have conversations about basketball with most people because most people consume their basketball and talk basketball in the comments section of Tik Tok and Instagram. And for those that still use Facebook Facebook, if you go online and you read people’s thoughts, it’s absurd. It’s like you don’t understand how they get to the thoughts that they have to the opinions that they have. But you do when you realize that it’s because they’re not sitting down at 7:30 on a Tuesday night and watching the Pistons versus the Brooklyn Nets. It’s because they’re going on Instagram or Tik Tok the next morning and watching the highlight play of the game or uh the Stephen A. Smith rant about the Lakers or whatever. They’re not actually watching the game and creating their own thoughts. They’re just looking at the highlights and what the media heads that quite frankly the league and its broadcast partners have propped up. You’re looking at what they’re yelling at, what they’re saying. You’re listening to the likes of Stephen A. Smith and Kendrick Perkins, and you just have these quite frankly stupid opinions because you didn’t actually sit down and watch the game. It’s like trying to take a test without ever doing any of the homework or listening to any of of the professor speeches. You’re just guessing. You’re I It’s absurd that Adam Silver would come out and and say this. And it’s absurd that you have to have five or six or whatever it is different subscriptions to watch the NBA. You got to have your local RSN. You’ve got to have Amazon. You got to have Peacock. You got to have ESPN. You got to have NBA TV. You got to have Leap Pass. It is absurd the hoops that people have to jump through to watch hoops. It’s beyond ridiculous and you’re pricing people out. Now, yeah, there are ways to circumvent that, but most people are not going to put in that kind of effort. And so, therefore, they’re just going to watch the highlights on YouTube. They’re just going to watch the 20 second reel or or Tik Tok that gets posted on the team’s account. they’re just going to watch the the person that goes on TikTok and yells over a game and focuses on one specific player. It’s really bad that the league isn’t doing what it can to explain the game at a higher level. I think about the different ways that the NFL produces their games. The All 22 or whatever it’s called, they have the the Manning cast that is always super in-depth. they find these different ways to really explain the game. And the NBA, on the other hand, is doing what feels like the exact opposite. Now, I have hope that NBC is going to help change some of that. I feel like they’re doing a good job bringing in some of the right personnel, but I I’ll wrap with I just again cannot believe that that was said by Adam Silver. I know he’s gone out and tried to fix what he said and like expand on it, but it’s it’s a bad look nonetheless. you should never be leaning into being a 30-cond clip league. Yeah, I I would agree. Um, this is a very shortsighted comment by Adam Silver and even his attempt to clarify it actually just highlights how shortsighted his outlook really is because he talked about, hey, we’re going to have verse third, I think it was 13 uh broadcast television games last year, they’re going to have 75 this year. That I will say is great, but here’s the problem with it. That does not reward the hardcore local fan base fan. And this to me is the problem with it. If you are a fan of a team, it is now prohibitively expensive for you to watch this league on a consistent game-by-game basis. Um, what he’s trying to do is court a casual audience. A audience that is no longer interested in learning in depth about the game, but one that is interested in consuming content. And he thinks that if he gets his numbers up, his social media engagement numbers up, that this will drive ad revenue, that this will drive um, yeah, broadcasters to want to have this on there. Because look, our social media clips do better than anybody else’s. And if you can get in front of a boardroom and and talk to a CEO and you say, “Well, look at our social media presence versus this other league social media presence,” they’ll throw money at you. It’s it’s the same thing that they’ve been doing in Silicon Valley for three decades now. Um, but the reality of it is that that actually doesn’t work in the long term because ultimately if there’s if you’re building these numbers on a foundation of casual fans, they will abandon you. And the people that drive the success of not just the NBA, but sports leagues around the world are hardcore, dedicated fans, specifically fans of local teams. Because in order to have a nationally relevant brand, you have to have on a local level strong strong brands with your teams. By doing this, what he’s doing is telling those fans that they don’t matter. That if you tune in, if you want to tune in to every single Pistons game, you’re an idiot. That you shouldn’t bother. That you should catch them on NBC the what two times they play a year. that you should look at their clips, that you should be engaging with the hottake content farm out there. To me, this is simply put bad business. It’s foolishness. And I don’t want to make it too broad, but it really is quite indicative of a larger problem in this country where people want to have the the cheapest, quickest, easiest fix uh in the quickest amount of time. Hey, we just switched all our stuff to AI. Look at the increase in in productivity versus how much you’re paying your employees. But it’s all garbage. It’s all crap. None of it matters. And so essentially what Adam Silver is saying is that he wants to do the exact same thing. He wants to have his league be driven by bot farms, by clicks, and not by the people that actually spend money on it. He’s saying you don’t matter. If you care about your team, if you care about the Pistons, if you care about the game, you don’t matter. And that to me is just a real shame um at the end of the day because it’s going to hurt the league in the long run. And it’s a mistake that the NFL doesn’t make. Like the NFL has a strong social media presence as well, but they break down the game. They talk about the game. you can always catch your local team somewhere um without having to spend an arm and a leg on it. And if you want to pay for red zone, then that’s great, but they’re doing it the other way around. So, to me, it’s it’s just really shortsighted and really poor. leaning into being a clip driven league is why two, three years ago, whatever it was, we had to sit here on a podcast and explain why the James Wiseman trade made no sense for the Pistons. But because people who only watch clips online saw highlight reels from the two or three games where Golden State sat every important player on their roster and let their bottom feeder guys get minutes. So the games where James Wiseman had his 18 and 10 on midlevel efficiency because they saw those highlights and saw James Wiseman unleashed as the comments would say on the post. That’s why they felt like we were crazy for saying it was a wrong move because they didn’t actually watch the games. They just were fed those highlights from what were really meaningless minutes in a situation that is not indicative of what James Wiseman was going to walk into into Detroit or any team. And that’s why people felt that way because they saw clips online that made James Wiseman look like a stud. You can go find clips of anybody, any player. You can go find clips and that can build your, oh my god, this guy is is gonna be so great or this guy is so great. Look at these clips. But guess what? There’s a reason why there are these things called scouts. Scouts don’t just watch five minutes of highlights. You know what they do? They go to games. They talk to players. They talk to the players coaches. They talk to the players families. They go to these players practices. they go home and go find more film, more full games and watch those games. Not saying that you should have to do that as a fan or get to do that as a fan or anything like that, but we need to be encouraging people to digest games, not digest 10-second, 20 second, 30 second clips. Yeah, I think you nailed it. Um, the James Wiseman examples, we had to put a cork in that prior to the podcast cuz it was good content going to waste. But there is some I understand why the NBA is doing what it’s doing. It wants as many eyeballs as possible. That’s just business. I do agree with Jasper though that those people who tune in are going to leave. That’s why they’re casual users and not hard. It’s literally the definition of those people. Mike, Mike, really quickly, do you know who had the highest social media numbers of any sports league in the world in dur like two years ago? I don’t cricket. I don’t know. Soccer. Dana Dana White’s slap competition. Oh, really? Yeah. How’s that doing? Seriously, that’s what it is. That you’re getting the number, you’re getting the social media engagement, right? But but people don’t care. They’re just watching a guy get slapped. They’re not spending money on it, right? You’re right. And and I do think part of the problem is what what Aaron said is the NFL keeps their exes and those guys, puts them front and center to cover the game and the NBA doesn’t do that. There is no Mina Kimes equivalent for the NBA on ESPN. Well, there was, but they got rid of him. They got rid of Zack Low. Um, so there is not a there is a Kendrick Perkins. Who was the analyst who didn’t know that JD Bickerstaff was head coach? They thought it was Monty still. Was that Kendrick Perkins? Yeah, that that was Perk or Yeah, that was Or was it Shaq? Okay, maybe it was either Perk or Shaq. I think it was Shaq. It could have been any idiotic talking head who puts their ego above the game. You’re right. It could have been. And it’s just like those small things like that that grind my gears because we should have an X’s nose guy looking at pick and rolls, looking at offensive schemes, looking at defensive schemes, but we just don’t have that. And the NBA doesn’t seem to want that. They want the offseason talk, the trade talk, the championship chasing, and they want the LeBron James and Steph Curry, and that’s it. It’s very easily digestible, sweet candy. Eat it, you’re out the door, no questions asked. Um, so I agree with you guys. It’s definitely disappointing. It’s It’s also interesting, you know, for a league that’s so narrative based in in how it sells itself. How on earth does clip farming like lead to that? It doesn’t. What what leads to that is people being able to follow along with a team throughout the entire season. And you’ve made that harder for them than ever before, right? Like I’m sorry, but like tuning in and seeing a game on a a team on NBC twice a year is not enough for you to form any sort of a connection with them at all. With the NFL, you see these teams every single week and you you follow along with the whole league. Like you’re going to see it multiple times and it’s easy to see it every single time. Now with the NBA, you got to have what? five different streaming services. Yeah, it’s it’s absurd. It’s just absolutely absurd and it’s so shortsighted. And that Adam Silver thinks that clips are going to be the thing that drives engagement, like real engagement is just it’s hilariously wrongheaded. It’s hilariously wrong-headed. But he’s one of those guys, you know, he just looks at the numbers. He doesn’t actually think about like what his product really is at its core. He’s just interested in the numbers. and that’s why the NBA is in the place it is right now. So, it’s it’s a real shame. I’ll ask one more question to you two of you and then we could wrap up. Is this leading to because I think there’s also fatigue of an 82 game season and I think we’re we’re just heading towards a shorter season. Does a shorter season solve this problem any by reducing the number of games, starting the playoffs earlier or starting the season later, maybe not in sync with the NFL, um or starting it before baseball season kicks off. Not that the NBA’s got to worry about baseball, but you know what I mean. Just, you know, both ends of the season starting and ending. Is a shorter season the answer to getting people more invested in their team and wanting to buy league pass, wanting to get MVC and pay attention? Yes, but they’ll never do it because that will mean less ad revenue and it’ll mean less like less money for the league overall. Means the broadcasting packages will be smaller. That’s it. Yes, it would fix a lot, but they’ll never do it. I don’t know who it helps though. Like I I I don’t think like as hardcore fans, do you want to watch fewer games? It’s not like they’re going to shorten the season to the point where, you know, for for the NFL, the NFL has that going for them. you know, the sport is so physical that them playing, you know, 18 weeks a year, it’s it’s musty television because you’re only going to see your team play 17 times in the regular season. We’re in the NBA, the game isn’t as physically taxing. And I think if they shorten the season significantly, you’re again, you’re you’re you’re gonna make it worse for the fans that want to watch and are willing to watch that watch already 60 70 games or watch every single game even if they have to go back and rewatch it. Like they’ll put in the time to do that. The only one you’re really helping there is the players. But I don’t that’s a whole different topic. Modern medicine is modern medicine. If guys in the 1990s can play 82 games, so can the players in in the 2020s, I don’t think that’s uh a really irrelevant point. I just think when you look at the game’s different now, it’s faster. Guys are bigger, but I get I get your point. I don’t think it’s going to happen anyway. It does help the players. I think what it does do also is, and this is part of why the NFL has this mysticism about it about everyone hunkers down for Sunday, is that the games, there’s so few games that they somehow mean more because you don’t have a random February game or you’re not going as many random February games where it’s dark at 4:00, it’s frigid up here in the Northeast, and you you just have less of that. You make the games mean a little bit more. I don’t know. Just trying to play devil’s advocate. Yeah, I mean I think that’s it for me too. It’s like I think the games need to mean more. That’s why going to like 64 games would be better. I mean everybody just coast like the the last two months of the season everybody’s pretty much locked in. You know, there’s a there’s a usually a couple playoff races. That’s fine, but like I I just think the last couple months of the season are meaningless for the vast majority of fan bases regardless, you know, outside of seeing young guys play or whatever. Um, and I just think when you look at last year’s playoffs in particular, like multiple stars going down with huge, huge injuries, I mean, Dame Lillard, um, you know, Tyrese Hallebertton and Jason Tatum all going down. I think if you can just cut down on that, make, you know, make each game mean a little bit more, cut down on injuries and, you know, guys having to sit out, because to Mike’s point, like, dude, I I know 80s players love to talk about how physical the game was. I’m not saying it wasn’t, but the game was not played. It It was played at a high tempo, but not with like the type of speed that players go that every player goes with now. The type of like physicality and athleticism that every player has now. Um it’s just every possession is way way tougher on the body um than it was in the 80s. That’s just the reality of the game. Erin, any last thoughts since Jasper and I kind of hijacked that question or are you ready to wrap up this podcast? We’ve squeezed an hour out. Yeah, I’m sitting here. I’m looking at the timer. I’m like, whoa, how did it get to be an hour of us talking? We sat here in the pre-production and we’re like, “Yeah, man. I think if we can get to like 30 minutes, that would be uh that would be great.” Say that. Yeah. We had a good conversation. And this happens every single time where we say, “Let’s do 30. Let’s do 45 minutes.” and then you’re sitting at an hour. It’s just how we do it here. Professional. This is not This is not a clip-based podcast. That’s That is for absolutely certain. Yeah. You you got to you got to get through it all. That’s right. Yes. Uh Erin, do you want to close us out? Any any uh you know housekeeping that you want to do as we get a little inch a little bit closer to the NBA season? We’re closing in and I’m ready for it. And as we close in on the start of the season, for those that are still here, still watching, still listening, we thank you. We want you to hit the subscribe button. We want you to hit the follow button, leave a like, leave a comment. Let us know what you think. I’m sure people are going to be p It’s a polarizing topic that we talked about with the win total. I’m sure there are going to be people uh that feel very strongly one way or the other. I’m going to imagine with this being a Pistons podcast, most of you are going to feel the optimism that this team will go over. So, tell me why I’m wrong. I can take it. Let us know what you think of the show. We always appreciate you you tuning in. And only a couple more podcasts to go until there’s actual basketball being played and we can talk about actual basketball games. Something that Adam Silver might not want us to do, but we’re going to do it anyway. Yes. Um it’s closing in fast. It’s closing in almost as fast as the Guardians are on the Tigers. Quick. Quick. Anyway, neither here nor there. Once again, all right, we’re wrapping it up. Oh, okay. We’re wrapping this thing up. We’re You’re done. Guardians corner. Everybody in the comments, tell Mike what you think about his That’s fine. That’s fine. I don’t know how they’re doing this at all. They They are just a terrible, terrible team. Um, beating Trick Scooble. Sorry, I’m laughing at Jasper. I don’t I don’t want to I don’t want to be on a podcast with you for another month now, Mike. I stay away from they’re not they’re not going to make the playoffs. There’s nothing to worry about. The Tigers are just coasting. They’re just They’re just coasting. If the MLB season was shorter, the playoffs would have already started by now, and that might actually happen. Um, but okay, before we get into any more meme mugging me, um, I’m going to wrap up this edition of the Palace of Pistons podcast. Again, if you haven’t liked the show already, please go do so. If you haven’t subscribed, please go do so. If you haven’t checked out our Substack, please do that as well. We really appreciate all the comments, all the feedback. It just means a lot. And I’m sure that we get a little bit closer to the season, we’ll have more preview content um hitting your inboxes and this podcast hits your inbox. If you’re subscribed on Substack, it hits your inbox as soon as we drop it. Don’t have to go search for it. Don’t have to go find it. It’s just there. So, we really do recommend and encourage you all to subscribe to the Palace Pistons Substack. For Aaron Johnson and Jasper Bolognia, I am Mike Angolano. Thank you so much for joining us on this week’s edition of the Palace Pistons podcast, part of the Wave Network and brought to you by FanDuel. We will see you all next time. [Music]
On this week’s Palace of Pistons Podcast, hosts Mike Anguilano, Aaron Johnson, and Jasper Apollonia debate whether the Detroit Pistons will finish over or under their projected win total of 46.5 games for the 2025-26 NBA season.
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How Malik Beasley’s potential return could swing the Pistons’ record.
The impact of internal development from Jaden Ivey, Ausar Thompson, rookie Ron Holland, and big man Jalen Duren.
What losing Dennis Schroder means for Detroit’s backcourt rotation.
How the additions of Duncan Robinson and Caris LeVert might shape spacing, depth, and overall team ceiling.
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Bang the under.