Dalen Terry JOINS IN-STUDIO to Preview the 2025-26 Bulls Season! | CHGO Bulls Podcast

Dalen Terry JOINS IN-STUDIO to Preview the 2025-26 Bulls Season! | CHGO Bulls Podcast

What up, CHTO Bulls Nation? We’ve got a live podcast coming up for you all right around the corner on today’s show as we enter the final week of the offseason. We are thrilled to be joined in studio by multi-time goon of the night winner, ultimate hype man, two-way threat, Dalen Terry of the Chicago Bulls. We’re talking to him next. Heat. Hey, Heat. What’s going on, Bulls Nation? Welcome in to the CHGO Bulls podcast. Coming to you live from our studios here in West Loop, downtown Chicago. I’m PC, Bulls Peek. That’s Big Dave B. BWL sports on the end. Will the goat gole will underscore gole queen of the controls the one and only Katy Duffy. What’s going on Katie? And joining us in studio the Bulls 18th overall pick of the 2022 NBA draft about to enter his fourth NBA season with our beloved Chicago Bulls. Please welcome the one and only Don Terry join. Don, thanks for being here man. How are you? Appreciate it. I’m doing good. How you doing? Doing great, man. Are you excited as we are a month a month a week from today media day? New season kicking off. Super excited. Yeah. You are are you done with offseason vibes? Got all your rest in. Yeah. I was ready like a month ago to play. Do I also know during the offseason you y’all got a chance to go see Billy Donovan get inducted in the Hall of Fame, man. What was that like? What was that feeling like being honestly got chills? That’s probably one of the biggest things I ever seen like basketball-wise. Um just not even Billy’s speech was everything but it was a lot of other players. cuz I got to see like obviously the USA’s dream team, Carmemelllo Anthony, his his speech and that being one of my old favorite players. Like that was big for me. And just seeing how many people like knew Billy like you know what I’m saying? Like I you kind of get caught up like he’s my coach. You know what I’m saying? So it’s like just realizing like dang he’s really in the Hall of Fame now and he got only so many people got that jacket. So yeah, that’s true. I feel like with Billy so many people say like he’s a player’s coach. Um how do you what does that mean to you? Like how do you how do you see that? How how do you feel that? Um, a players coach to me really means like a coach that chooses his players over like I don’t want to say the front office or anything like that, but you know what I’m saying? Like just tr he’s just a player coach where it comes like you could talk to Billy about anything and he and he’ll think about it. You know what I’m saying? Not necessarily saying he’ll do it, but we’ll have a conversation. It will be a a collaborative thing that we we’ll figure out. And and I feel like he also like uh Dave and I were um in summer league a couple years ago and we were waiting for you guys in the tunnel. Um and literally everybody there knew Billy and everybody’s like saying what’s up to him, catching up with him and I just feel like he knows everybody. He’s so personable. I feel like that’s like I mean not all coaches are like that, right? Like that’s a great thing to have in a coach. Yeah. Some coaches don’t say nothing to you, especially a summer league team, you know? You know that is just the bing of basketball. Billy takes his time to talk to every every one of the players. No matter if you gonna be here for a long time, if you’re not, he gonna always make sure he has an impression over you. Can you talk about that that unity that your the team is developing? Like you all going to see Billy, always hanging out. We always see you all. We saw IO on his Twitch stream having Modest and those guys on there wearing each other’s jerseys. Like how did that bond develop and where is it at now as far as his strength is concerned? Yeah, I think um it’s a new era when it come to Chicago. I feel like as you guys can see the front office has changed the direction of the team when it comes to youth. So, um, I think that with Modis, IO, Kobe, Josh, I can keep going down the list. Like, we all cool, you know? So, like it’s not like we not forcing none of this. We not just doing it just because to make it look good. Like, we actually like each other and we have a good time enjoying each other. Like, whether it’s going to concerts, going to meeting up in LA early in the offseason, meeting up in Miami, like we doing that like player base. So, it’s real good. Everybody celebrates everybody’s success. Who Who are you would you say like closest to on the team? And then also, who’s like low-key the funniest one? Um, I’m pretty close to Pat Pat Williams. The funniest one on the low. You guys know the obvious ones like Kobe’s pretty funny and everybody knows that, but I think Julian for people don’t understand how funny he is because he doesn’t You guys think he don’t talk, he talks a lot. Actually, every time we go into the locker room after the games, you guys are like in that corner cracking jokes and stuff and then we walk over and he’s like quiet. Doesn’t say anything. Exactly. Like if you don’t catch him, then you won’t you won’t ever see it. Right. But you got to catch him. One of the funniest. you uh you mentioned being in Miami, those those player organized sort of like workout sessions. How like is it is it like aggressive five on five scrimmaging going on? Like what what is the vibe like in those player organized sort of like you know the basketball equivalent of like the you know the player mini OTAAS in the offseason? Um I mean we’re not here to play around. You know what I’m saying? Like we trying to we trying to get to the playoffs. We trying to be a good team. So I feel like that’s all built in the offseason. I think that we do ourselves a disservice if we came and just was bullshitting. You know what I’m saying? Excuse my French. But I think when we play five on five, it’s we at each other’s heads and guys that could play the guys that are healthy enough to play that like what we holding back for. You know what I’m saying? We was a 39 win team. Let’s call it how it was. We trying to be a 50 win team or whatever whatever whatever the the stake is to get there. You know what I’m saying? You get what I’m trying to say? So, you’re saying you were you were committing some hard fouls in these Miami Miami runs. If the papa shot was any indication that the papa shot a second ago, the ref did not call no foul. You just tal like the offseason for you. We saw last season it seemed like your focus was that three-point shooting and it definitely improved, man. I believe you went from like 25 to 36%. Which is crazy, man. And even had a game where you hit four threes in a game which was awesome. What is your focus going into this season? I know I know you all are focused on the playoffs for sure, but you personally as your game, what are you focusing on? Me personally, I just feel like I got a lot to show. Um I think that last year I was in and out of the the lineup just because of my injuries or you know, whatever it is, like my knees was hurting, playing a different style of pace. This LA this offseason was the first offseason I really really took the weight room really serious. I probably took two and a half months just lifting, didn’t touch a basketball. And that’s saying a lot cuz I love the game, you know. Um when the season was over, I was itching to touch a basketball. Take a lot of discipline to to get my body right. Um I changed my diet, all types of stuff like that. So just making sure that like the great players really have a good body no matter what. Like it’s only a small percentage that makes you good. And I know that that’s one of the biggest things. What’s uh the the muscle watch? Like how much are you up weight wise? Um I’m probably up like 12 pounds right now. 12 pounds. And like can you kind of break down the changes to the diet a little bit? I feel like that’s something people don’t necessarily always get to hear about is just like how was your diet? Like what kind of stuff were you eating and now what what have you changed in order to um I mean before I I had a chef obviously but I mean I was just eating. I mean I’m skinny so it don’t I can eat bad, I can eat good and it doesn’t really matter, you know, like but I think in the middle of summer I probably took I took it upon myself to to come up with a plan and I was plant-based for about a week and a half and then I realized I was losing weight but it was still good. that I felt good like no inflammation in my body and I was like nah we got to figure something out and I end up going pescatarian and I’ve been pescatarian for probably about almost two and a half months now so and I’ve been going strong haven’t cheated or nothing so awesome um my chef has actually made me eat turkey he said that’s the best meat for you um but for the most part I’m pescatarian you made Dave very happy with that answer he is a loud pescatarian absolutely man feel good huh oh I feel amazing I’ve been trying to get him on this forever trying to tell you he loves Italian beef too much he can’t do Italian beef. Hey yo, I’d rather not live than live without red meat. That’s just me. That’s just me. He believes that, bro. Good thing you’re not a high class athlete. This is why I sit in a comfy chair and talk about you playing basketball. I’m not I’m not out there myself. I am curious to, you know, you were talking about Billy and being at his Hall of Fame uh induction ceremony earlier this summer and his uh his total 180 of what you guys as a team tried to do offensively last season. like one one of the slowest paced offensive teams in the league to one of the fastest, one of the lowest volume three-point shooting teams to one of the highest volume. And he said like the the motto for y’all’s training camp last year was like if we run, we’ll have fun. And you guys definitely made a point to go out there and try and run your opponents off the floor every night that you could. How do you feel coming into this year’s training camp? And people are talking about like, can you play that fast? Can you play even faster? Not only your conditioning, but just that style of play. Do you enjoy that? I love it. Um I think that that last year was like some fun basketball for me. Um I think that was I catered to playing fast, you know. Um I think that now everybody that’s been here last or everybody that was here last year understands what condition you had to be in to play like that. And I think last year kind of hit us like we didn’t really know how fast we was really going to play. Then it just hit us and we were playing that fast. But now obviously playing a season under that offense, we understand that coming into training camp you need to be in shape already. So, a lot of guys already do the extra running, whatever it is. But, I think now it just comes like when it comes to the fourth quarter, how can we um play in the half court and be able to execute to win a lot more games? Do you feel like um like you guys need to even take it a step faster? Like one thing, you know, we talked a lot about with Billy last year was like you guys have small margin, right? like every team does, but um every time you guys got to the fourth quarter, you were like putting your foot on the gas pedal and like coming back from down 10. Um but like for me watching the finals, seeing teams like the Pacers and and OKC the effort, intensity they played with, the pace that they played with, my thought is that teams are going to start copying that. That’s like what happened. So do you feel like you guys need to play even faster this year? I wouldn’t say even faster. I think we just had need to have more attention to the details. If you watch the finals, um, which I watched every single one of the games, playoff games, um, the difference between OKC and and the Patience between everybody else is that they played so hard, but they were smart. Like there wasn’t no wild stuff going on, you know? I think that sometimes we might have got a little wild and it worked in our favor sometimes and it didn’t. And I think that’s the small margin of error that you have to have to be a championship team. But young team, you know, you’re getting more experience, you’re learning. I feel like that’ll come. Um, but for you personally, I mean, we talked a little bit last year about like your role and getting more opportunity last year. Can you just walk through for us kind of like what changed in terms of what you were being asked to do and how you’re able to execute? Um, I think that it was obviously my first two years being on a veteran team. I think when it took a whole different 180 where it was like, okay, now we have a whole different type of vibe. No more Demar, no more Zack. You know, I love those guys. Yeah. But um I think it just all changed because now it’s a it’s a runway and it’s opportunity for me to play and it’s to the point where like this is actually my style of play. Like playing slow wasn’t wasn’t my like I can play that way but it’s more like going to my strengths. It wasn’t you know. So I think my third year it was a was a good thing for us to play fast and getting Josh. I think that when I was in college a lot of people we used to be a lot of people showed my film and showed his film just being point guard. Yeah. So, um, just us playing with each other and realizing like even though I don’t play as much point guard anymore is just I know how he thinks. You know, him being 67, he gets the rebound, he wants to push the push the tempo. I know how Kobe is. I seen the the outburst of when he his year four explo explosion. So, it’s like I know all these guys. I’ve got to I sat here and watched out the front row seat of all this. So, now getting to the point where I get to play, it’s like, okay, now just put your little magic on. So, hold push that mic to you. I producer tell her she can’t be in. My fault. My fault. You’re good, bro. Um, you mentioned Demar. I I definitely want to ask you about Demar, man. And what you learned from him just as far as, you know, that leadership, you know what I’m saying, and him being around because where it seemed like wherever he was going, he would take you like we’ve seen saw you at the pop out, you know what I mean? And saw you playing in the Drew League with him and all that stuff. So, what what did you take from him as far as like that leadership is concerned? Um, I mean, Demar is a big brother to me. I feel like um there’s nothing I can’t talk to him about. So when it comes to a leadership, like I just feel like when I’m 17 years into my career, 16 years into my career, like finding finding a young a young person or young kid to to pour into like that because I can never thank him enough. There’s so much things that I know that I know the average rookie doesn’t know or average young guy doesn’t know just because no one ever tells him cuz if he didn’t tell me then I wouldn’t know, you know, like he was the type of guy that Dear doesn’t talk a lot. So for him to put his time into me, I realized I I had something special. Mhm. Dalen, uh, you know, we heard from AK during the summer league. We were out there watching the summer league squad play and he did an interview with their broadcast team and they were talking about the Isaac trade and like one of the things that that he was excited about was trying to, you know, bring in Aoro to help your team establish its defensive identity after we talked about what Billy did for y’all’s offense last season. Curious if you have any impressions about Isaac Aoro the player if you got a chance to get to know him yet this off season and and what you are going to try to bring to that that team that obviously you know Alex Caruso meant so much to this team’s defense for a long time and and now you guys are trying to to your credit your defensive stats in the back half of the season were really impressive. How can you keep that going? Um I think I the Isaac addition was really good just because it’s another six seven guy out there that can guard everybody you know. I think that between me, him, Julian, Io, um, even modest, Pat, like we got a lot of guys that could just guard. So, it’s like it’s just more about the attention to detail. Isaac, I feel like he’s done it. Pat, they’ve done it. So, it’s like, okay, now the younger guys, it’s like, okay, how do we follow into that role? And, um, speaking to Alex Cruz, I talked to him yesterday just asking him how he carved out his career. Um, just just like what what clicked for him where he could figure out his role because I’m, you know, I’m kind of in that gray area and it’s just like I want to take that next step. I really want to be great at basketball. I want to be that for Chicago cuz I like you can get caught up in how how you want to play in general, but you need to be caught up by how you need to play for the team. I think Alex Cruso was so big for the city, big for the team and it’s like who else going to do it? So what what else did he say? Like what were some of his pointers? Um he was like you got to treat every game like game seven and he said he thinks that I do but he need he needs more you know. Um, and I think that Alex Cruso is another guy that he’s you can’t you don’t have to hesitate to ask him anything, but I know that he gives me credit for asking him, you know. Um, and I miss him actually. I used to watch everything he does. Um, him and does he have does he have like the not just the globe, but like the attitude of a current reigning champion? Has it changed him at all or is he still good old Alex? No, I definitely um he just got he got married too, so he got two rings, you know? Yes, sir. Yes, sir. I say congratulations to him. But I think that uh Alex a real humble guy. Um, but when I see him, I’mma [ __ ] with him a little bit. That’s real. That’s real. Another guy you mentioned, man, that that we definitely like is Moselis, man. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Um, can you talk about him a little bit and his season too? Like what you have seen in practice from him in this off season and what you expected from him this season? Man, I expect big things from Modis. Um, obviously you guys seen a little bit of taste of it this last year and I think Modis has a has a couple more seasons to go. I think that he’s really really good at being that tall and be able to dribble like that. You know what I’m saying? Like it’s not a lot of guys that can dribble like that and his athletic ability. I just I always challenge him just to make sure that he always just stays grounded and realize that there’s more to do. So his confidence level is always that about him. I love him. Yeah. I love that about him. Like we get to talking talking and five on five and he not he don’t he ain’t backing down. So I love that. I love that about him and I’ve known him a little bit before um he got to the Bulls. So he’s always been the same. Right. From just like the you guys were in How long were you in Miami? a week. A week. So, just uh doing like scrimmaging and stuff there. Who else like stood out to you in terms of like maybe they put on a bunch of muscle or they added something to their game? Was there anybody that was like looking particularly impressive? Um maybe it was you. Um I ain’t going to talk about myself. Somebody else come out here and say that. Yeah, you can do it. Um I think that for sure Noah I think no one talks about Noah right now. I mean he’s top 10 pick right now or what was it? 11 to whatever. Okay. Top 10, man. Yeah. Same. But I think Noah, he looked really good. Um, I love the way he runs the floor and he the biggest thing for me when I was a rookie, sometimes I’ll get in a situation where I was scared to shoot it. Um, he ain’t got no fear. So, um, I like that he has that about him. That’s that’s the first battle. So, um, I think that the ceiling is going to be really high for him and you got something right there for sure. That’s what’s up. You just mentioned so many guys. I mean, Aoro, IO’s coming back. We got Modis in there, Noah, Kevin, too. Herder JP. Um, how do you like you you carved out a role for yourself last year, but there’s just so many guys. Like, how do you mentalitywise go into the season knowing there’s going to be a lot of competition and and how do you win out to to get one of those roles? I think that this summer I prepared myself for war, honestly. Um, I think that I put my body through hell. Um, I obvious um there certain things that he doesn’t have to do, you know, so me just I I had to realize, okay, I can take some of that from him, but it I got to do something for myself, too. So, I think this is this is a summer that I like myself into the gym. So, I know that I put in the work to be to be where I’m right where I’m supposed to be. So, anything like mechanically or technical about your game that you’re trying to change? Maybe it’s adjusting your shooting form or just being more willing to shoot. Like when you go into next season, personal goals in terms of um I got a lot of personal goals. I think that I think last year, like you said, um the shooting was a real good thing. I think I could I have another of another another gear to get up to because I mean in college I I got to that gear and I just think that adjusting to the NBA game and just being ready to shoot at all the times like in college you it’s pretty obvious when you have to shoot in the NBA is a lot of grayer. So just realizing that, okay, now you’re shooting however percent from the corner, they going they going um they going to what is it? Close out. They going to close out pretty hard. So just knowing which ones to shoot, which one not to shoot, which ones to get off and like it’s just so much different things that I put myself through this summer like when it comes to film and different play making abilities and stuff that I just know that I’m gonna be ready. You saying that gray area is just more cerebral is what you’re saying. Okay, I dig. You mentioned those corner threes, Dale. I mean, Dave mentioned your improved three-point shooting last season. Corner specifically, you shot 38 and a2% on corner threes. Like, is is Billy Donovan a some players have a green light and some players don’t coach when it comes to particular shots? Cuz it certainly seemed like you were very confident when you found yourself open behind the arc last season. Are you trying to bring that in and maybe even emphasize that more this year? Yeah, for sure. I think that I got to I got to pick up right where I left off and I think it’s only room to grow. I think that we’re not taking no steps back and I think you said 38% from from the corner. I mean I have bigger goals than that. I don’t want to say the number but you know the number two% above that. So um I would just like that goal to be everywhere you know cuz um you know what happens when that happens of course. And so did I mean did Billy preach about the kind of threes that you guys are looking for as a team when he was trying to bring your volume of three-point attempts up? Uh yes. Um, you can’t just take off the dribble, sideestep, dribble threes, but and granted Kobe makes those, right? Kobe will pull up just past half court. Yeah. So, um, obviously I think it’s personnel based, but coach wants us to let it fly. So, I think that if he wants to let it fly, why is not every guy in in the gym being ready to shoot? So, yeah. Let me ask you about the other side of the ball, the defense. Uh, we saw the improvement on offense and that was incredible, but we heard AK talk about wanting to establish that defensive identity and obviously getting nice coral in here. And you mentioned all the dogs y’all have, you know, that get after it defensively. What is it going to be like and what’s the focus for you guys going into this season? Because it it feels like you guys coming off the bench are definitely going to have that kind of mentality like attack, attack, attack on both sides. Yeah, I think that it just comes off like being conditioned. I think defense is a conditioning thing and you just got to want it more. I think if guys take the pride in wanting it more and being disciplined on defense, staying to our principles, we going to be right where we need to be. M um I’m just looking at the the comments here and uh somebody watching Fish brings up a question that I wanted to ask you about your jersey number. You signed uh the jersey number 25 for us which we appreciate, but now swapping with Jaylen. You’re going to be number seven this year. What what uh what changed? Um I think I did number 25 for the city of Chicago when I came obviously um the late great Benji Wilson was a legendary Chicago number 25. just paying homage to my family and to Benji Wilson and Chicago Simeon, all that type of thing. But I think me going to year four. It’s a big year for me. Um, a lot of man manifestation and I might as well go with lucky number seven. So, it wasn’t really hard for me to go from 25 to seven just because And you just traded with Jaylen, is that right? Yeah. Did you guys like have any uh We didn’t pay for it or anything? We talked about it during the season and then he hit me. I kind of forgot about it. He hit me and was like, “Yo, you still trying to change?” And I’m like, “Yes, actually I am. I wore number four in college and I think that I’m more of a single digit type of guy. Okay. Did he say why he wanted to change? No idea. I think that’s what he was wearing at Indiana. And um I think he might have wear it in Phoenix. I’m not sure. I I want to ask you about this, man. The biggest Bulls game that for Bulls fans was that Bulls Lakers game, Josh Giddy that half court shot. Can you take us inside of that, man? What was it like in the huddle? Like what was Billy saying? What was Giddy at? And what was that feeling like when that shot hit? Man, I can’t even tell you what really Josh I can’t tell you what nobody was saying because I don’t remember. Yes, sir. I just remember when that ball left Josh hands, I said for the hood and it went down. It went down. So, but that whole that whole game, I mean, it was crazy like Kobe talked about this a bunch where it was like Patrick made it three, Kobe made it three, Josh had the steal. Like so much had to go right. What was just like I mean I was watching too, but from the bench like what what was that like? Ah, it felt like it felt like the NBA finals. I don’t know what it feels like, but you know what I’m saying? It felt like a really big game and it and I think when we play those LA teams, like you know how the season the the um season is usually the schedule, we play them at the end of the year and then we play them there and be able to play them in in a week. So, we had just beat them in LA and put it on them pretty bad. So, then it was like, okay, we knew that Luca was going to come in and try to stomp on us and then we were down and then it was like, okay, Patrick hit a three, Kobe hit a three. Ah, we got we got to pray now. And then Josh hit it. So, it was it was real big. It was a really fun fun night in Chicago. Yes. I mean, speaking of epic moments for for you guys as a team, I think one of the reasons that Bulls fans feel connected to you when they’re watching a game on any given night is that you are one of those NBA players who wears your heart on your sleeve. Like if you make a big momentum swinging play, you let the people know whether it’s your teammates, the opponents, or the people in the stands. Even when you are getting rest on the bench and one of your teammates or your team out there makes a big play, you are the first guy up cheering and encouraging guys. Why has that always been a part of who you are as a basketball player? Because when certain people get to this level, they they kind of just go a more stoic route when it comes to business as usual and you’re out there. It’s like it reminds us how we felt playing as a kid, you know? I mean, that’s how I treat it. I think I treat basketball like it was when I fell in love with the game when I was two, three years old. So, um, I think one of the biggest parts of being a good team, you got to have good teammates. And I think that I can only control so much with other people. So, I got to control myself. Um, and I think that when Kobe’s on the on the slot having the ISO and I I say whatever I say on the bench or in the corner, it gives him that just that much more confidence to go score the ball or do what, make a play, whatever that nature is. And I think that when I gas next person, then Mus is gassing me. Now, Julian’s gas me, you know, it goes all the way down. So I think that that’s just a big thing like if you see OKC like after the after the game when they when they’re doing the interview they camaraderie and I think that that’s a a form of being good teammates and that’s why they won. So just the way you guys ended your season obviously 15 and five uh was something that you know everybody was talking about but then another loss to Miami but we were talking about the Lakers game. I mean there was just so much like positive momentum down the stretch and it felt like I mean outside looking in that there was just so much belief internally in you guys as a group taking another step. What was playing that way and then having the season end the way it did? How how did that feel and like how do you carry that momentum or that excitement into next season? Um it felt really good that 15 and five ending but um losing to Miami really hurt honestly. I thought I really thought we had a chance to get to the playoffs. like and know everyone every year in my career we lost in the plan. So it was like I’m tired of being in the playing. I want to be in the playoffs. I want to see what that’s like because I just know that’s a different level of basketball. I just want to see I just want to get that feeling just because I’m just such a competitor. And I think that coming from all the guys like we were just hurt like and I and I thought about it the whole summer like I thought about Miami. I thought about Tyler Herro having that good game versus us and it’s just like it gives me like chills and nightmares at the same time. So So what about like carrying it into next season? And I mean, is there that same level of belief that you guys can for sure play that same style throughout the the whole 82? I think that the second half of the season, the way we was playing, like that that doesn’t give the fans belie. I know it gave us belief, you know. Um I think that we we kind of honed in and really really dialed into what coach was telling us. Um I think the first half of the season was kind of new for everybody. So, it was kind of I don’t want to say winging it, but like you know, like sometimes we would we everybody would be bought in, sometimes not. But I think after the All-Star break when everybody bought in, it was real a lot of success. So, why not do it again? And now you guys know, hey, this worked. Like, we’re going to stay bought in kind of thing. We know one thing I like about you and what your teammates do is you all are always giving back. Like, I know you had the basketball camps out in Arizona. You know, IO does that. Where can you talk about that importance and where where is that established from you? like is that something that you learned early on from the fam? Yeah. Um I think that just me being a kid uh being a kid wanting to wanted an NBA player to come to my city and come to my town. I think you might may not know who this is. Mark West play for Phoenix Suns when I was a kid center. Yeah. Yeah. Um I didn’t know who Mark West was when I was 10 years old, but he came to Salvation Army and he had a camp and he gave back and it’s something I’ll never forget. Now I do, you know. Um, so I just wanted to make that leave that mark on every one of the kids from my city and wherever I am. I think I want to bring a camp to Chicago. I want to bring camp wherever. Um, I just want to give back to whoever wants to give in to me, you know? So, I think that it’s a real big thing to give back to the community just because you never know what kids out there. And I I was one of those kids sitting there just can I have a backpack? Can I have a water bottle? Can I get a free meal today? Can I learn? Like it wasn’t even about the drills that we was doing. It’s just like I just want to see what I want to see an NBA player. I don’t know what I don’t I never got this close to touch somebody. Right, right, right. That’s real. And it and it makes sense because we will see you out at the high schools supporting, you know what I mean? We see you playing, you know, anywhere. I’ve seen you play in a bunch of places here in the city. How acclimated have you become, you know what I’m saying, to this community in Chicago? Um, I’m real comfortable in Chicago. Um, I think it ain’t ain’t it’s not a lot of places I can’t go. Um, I know everybody. Um, I feel like I’m the type of person that no one really hates. So, you know, um, so I think that like the community is behind me and I think it’s time for me to to be get behind like just have that same two-way street with them. Like I think I owe them success here, you know. That’s real. I got one more question cuz I asked this for anybody who’s ever played. What’s the greatest game you’ve ever played? High school, college, whatever. The greatest game that you yourself have ever played? Uh, damn. I some good games. I mean, right after I got drafted, I had that 65 point game in uh crossover, but I don’t think that’s it. I think in high school, I had like a 40point triple double at Hillrest my junior year in high school. Doing the old Nicole Yokic routine. Yeah. Yeah. 40point triple double. Was crazy. That’s nuts, man. So, that might be it. So, uh you know, you mentioned that it’s it’s a big year ahead for you and the team, but for you specifically coming into the final year of your rookie deal. Yeah. uh you know, restricted free agent uh one summer from now. Does that change your perspective at all, your frame of mind at all coming into this season and what your goals are? Or is it just, hey, business as usual? I’m going to go out there and show my team, my teammates, what I can do and that’ll handle itself. I think it’s a two-way street. I think that from the outside looking in, it might look like it’s a lot of pressure, you know, but I mean, this is what you live for as a basketball player. I think that you don’t you don’t you don’t get nobody cares. You know what I’m saying? like nobody cares that you were about to be in the last year contract. It’s just like okay, are you going to hoop or not? I’m like that’s how I look at it like okay. So I just think like I just look at it like business as usual. Um coming there with the same hat coming there could be just be the same person every single day and I think that um I believe in God and I think that he’s going to lead me right to where I need to be. That’s real. That’s real. Uh one more quick uh question from our live chat viewers. Dreads wanting to know if Dalon you have a favorite Chicago restaurant. Uh, Gino and Marty’s is up there. Okay. I love Gino Mart just because of the vibe. Um, Lascola. Um, yeah. Oh my god, I love the vodka pasta from here. Um, and then it’s a new it’s a new restaurant I want to shout out. Uh, Sarah Chicago. Um, uh, they got some good vodka. I’m a real big Italian. Okay. I’m not big into the pizza or the red sauce. I’m not really big into that. I’m going be honest. But I think the um anywhere with good vodka pasta, I’m a beer. Have you tried the What about anchovies on pizza for the pescatarian over here? I heard that. I heard that. Yeah. Have you tried the Prince Street vodka pizza? I have heard. I have had that. Really good. Interesting. Maybe we could go. I’m going see you over there. Matt usually signs off, but I just want to say like thank you so much for coming. You’re like one of the nicest people in the NBA. I always really appreciate uh chatting with you and and it’s awesome to catch up. So looking forward to the season and um yeah, one week away. You you got you got any dirt on goat for us as far as how he you know conducts himself as a member of the bullion. Come on now. I got no dirt on him. I ain’t going to lie. Like out of all the all the guys in there like he’s the most loved. I tell him that. I don’t want to tell I don’t want to look at him and tell him you know I want to feel good but he’s the most loved. A lot of guys some guys we ain’t really you know what I’m saying but when he comes in we like ah everybody greets him with a smile. Uh yeah as as Will said we appreciate you being here man. Best of luck to you and the team this season. We’re looking forward to watching Bulls Nation. Give it up for our guy Dalon Terry. Hit some likes in the chat. Show him some love. Week from today, media day. Looking forward to it, man. Yeah, for sure. We’re going to knock out a couple ads. We’ll come back and keep talking right here on CHO Bulls. Appreciate it. Thank you. Today’s show brought to you by Circus Sportsbook. Whatever the sport, the app to bet is Circus Sports Illinois. Circus Sports is sports betting the way it should be. 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Peck, Big Dave, Goat, Gaty on the controls. Shout out again to Dalon Terry in studio. That just happened. I mean, like go I know you’ve been trying to get Don to come by the studio for a while and uh for years. Yeah, but it seems like he you guys have always had some semblance of like a bond as far as athlete and beat reporter. I just I feel like like a little inside baseball, but like these these guys are just like around the practice facility every day. Like I’m seeing them there. I see them before the game. I show up at 5 or 4:30 or a 7:00 tip and I watch them work out. I watch them get their shots up and I’ll talk to them in the tunnel and like Don is always one of the first people to just like see how I’m doing and like that means a lot, you know, like that not everybody does that. A lot of really great guys in the NBA, especially on this Bulls team. Like I know over the years the roster stuff has been what it is, but like one thing I’ve always said about them as a group and one thing that um I think they’ve done a really good job of is like getting really good people in the locker room. And Dylan’s a prime example. So um really really happy he was able to come in um even if it was a long time coming. Yeah, I ain’t going I ain’t going to lie to you, bro. He had me charged. I ain’t going to lie to you, bro. He’s also like I was just saying this in ad break like he’s you’re kind of crazy like he’ll he’ll get after it. He’s like watching him watching him get into a consistent role where he understood the assignment. He knew what what was being asked of him and how to execute it. Like I think that takes a while for young players. Sure. Sure. And like he grew up playing point guard. Like that’s him. He was a point guard and now you’re asking him to play off the ball, get to the corners and defend. and like he can do all that stuff, but just knowing the nuances of like when to slide up from the corner to the slot when there’s a drive, like when to slide over for help, how aggressive you need to be, you know, attacking the ball handler at the point of attack, crossing half court, like there’s an adjustment with a lot of that stuff. And I feel like we I mean, it was limited minutes, but what did he play like 70 some odd games last year? Um I I feel like we started to see some of that click for him. Yes. In a way where he was awesome defensively. I can’t stress that enough. He was like one of the best defenders on the team last year, especially down the stretch. So, what kept him on the floor and um for him, I think he needs to keep building on that, but it was just great to see him like have some some like small wins. And I know he’s got like much bigger aspirations for himself. Um which he absolutely should, but like it was great to see him have some small wins and like you could feel that in the locker room, his confidence. Like he knew he had a good game and like he would just feel good about it. would know, okay, I got to keep doing this and now I can start building on it. And we talked about that a lot last year. I wrote a couple of stories about him where he was talking about just like that process. Um, and you know, I think his shot improved. We we talked about it, but like he his shot form like I got to pull a clip of like his shot form as a rookie versus where it is now. It’s so much better. The confidence is so much better. He’s willing to let it fly. I mean, he even said he was like not always really willing to shoot. And he has to be like, if you’re an off guard, you have to be willing to shoot. Yeah. I I remember still. It is a clear mental image of what his shot looked like when we first saw him at summer league. Oh, I remember year one. Yeah, for sure. Night and day. Yeah. And you know, I’ve been a dating Terry fan since they got him. Sure. For the reasons go in the draft because Yeah. Because of the the crazy I saw it in him like you know, game recognized game as they say. like I saw that insanity immediately uh in him and how he played. What I also liked about what he did last year goes, you saw the game kind of slow down for him or start to slow down for him. And that is a huge thing for a player that is a ball of energy like when you learn to harness your superpower like that and knowing when to control and when to use that energy and you know doing it in spurts and especially the shot like he even took his time you know with that when he would shoot before we would see him get that form he was just getting it up you know what I mean? Let me get this up. We’ll see if it hits and we’ll see if it doesn’t. But this there was it was real more cerebral, you know what I’m saying, to his game. Like he talked about that gray area. That’s what it meant. Like it was a little more cerebral for him out there. So figuring out the other things just started to come or feel like it started to come naturally to him where he can really kind of find himself within his game. And that is just always exciting to see. And we’ve been we’ve been talking about this since literally his rookie summer league where it was like there were times where he struggled like driving to the basket. He’s got the ball in his hands and he’s really thin and like he’s going up against grown men, you know, second, third year players, guys trying to make the league who are like adults and he’s like trying to create off the dribble and like that wasn’t quite there yet for him. Yeah. And I think at that time, one of the things I said was like if he can develop his jump shot a little bit now, he will force a little bit more attention, a little bit harder of a closeout, and now he’s attacking an advantage. And when he does that, that’s when he can put his best attributes to work, right? like he’s a very good passer for someone his size. He’s a good decision maker with the basketball. Like but if he can’t draw a hard close out, he’s not getting those driving lanes. And so that improvement shooting opens up a lot for him. And then I I also just like go back to the defense. Like that’s going to keep him on the floor. If there’s, you know, anything to what we’re we what we’ve been talking about about the Bulls having to establish a defensive identity, he’s going to have to be a part of that. So I’m excited for him. Like he really he works hard. Like he’s he’s just a good dude. Um but but also like I do feel like some of his skills are coming together in a way that will unlock some of the other stuff in his game. Yeah. And that makes me really excited about him. I mean we like it’s funny the way we talk about Modis as the 11th pick versus Noah as the 12th pick versus Dalon as the 18th pick now a couple years removed obviously but like he’s still a top 20 pick in the draft. Like there’s there’s some stuff there and I really hope that he’s able to um just get get the opportunity. But like we talked about, there’s just a lot of bodies on this bench. And I remember him being number three, I think, on your draft board. For the Bulls, you had them for the Bulls. Yeah. I was always a fan cuz I love guards with size. Yeah. I’m telling you, man, he he really activated my inner meatball. Like, I ain’t going to lie to you, bro. I am shocked. Bro, I was like to hear I was trying to keep it together when he’s talking. I’m like, honestly, you know, you were just talking about, bro, I was charged. Some of the younger guys, the bench unit carving roles for themselves and how he managed to do that towards the back end last year. We’re going to talk about some of that other bench stuff in a minute, but sticking on Dan specifically, I loved when he just told us like, “Oh yeah, I actually just called up Caruso yesterday.” Right. That flex right there. He wanted to get Caruso’s insight on like being that guy. Yeah. For a winning team, the guy who’s going to set the tone defensively, be a glue guy. Like it it makes me comfortable and and excited about what Dalon might still be able to be in this league because it struck me as someone who’s very self-aware. Yes. Where he might find his perfect niche in this league and him talking I didn’t touch a basketball like let me call up Caruso cuz he probably knows a thing or two about that. I didn’t touch a basketball for two months. I just lifted weights. I put on 12 pounds because he’s understanding. I I started to eat better. Pescatarians up in there Matt. You better know it. It’s how we roll it, son. But just hearing all of that stuffake for me. But just hearing all of that stuff and knowing what he’s doing, those are the things you do when you want to be great. That’s not when you want to be good. You know what I mean? That’s when I want to be great or I want the best, the absolute best version of myself. He talked about his personal goals, how he said it like he was like, I don’t even want to say them here cuz you know they are lofty and that’s how they should be. They should be outrageous. That’s what you should be going for, man. that these are life lessons he was saying up here. These weren’t just basketball lessons he was saying up here, man. And that’s what was great to hear from a player on on the team that I’ve always liked and because of the energy that he provides, but watching his game catch up with that energy, Matt, like that is the most important thing and that will always keep him on the floor. As go said, that defense will keep him on the floor. That’s excites me about about the defense, just the second unit defense and coming out with that kind of Doberman mentality when they’re attacking because you know they want to run. We know they want to get on the offensive end and run. But like I said, the defense is going to have to turn that into that offense for sure. Knowing he’s like that, knowing Io’s like that and he talked about having Isaac Auroro here now who has that kind of mentality mentality and knowing he’s talking Alice Kuso who you know lives and bre breathes that mentality right there. Uh just give me the goon of the night belt now. Let me throw it at the camera. I’m just excited, bro. But as we said, like Caruso obviously just like a generational defensive player for his tools, but what makes him truly special is his ability to read the game. And what you’re talking about the game slowing down for him. Like that’s that correct. That’s that IQ. Um and so as as the game continues to slow down, as he understands what teams are trying to do, um I just think he’s gonna get a lot better. So I I don’t know. We haven’t really talked about his like free agency and restricted stuff and you know he’s going to be extension eligible here um before the season but uh and that that part go I I loved his answer to that question too as we talk about nobody cares nobody gives a damn like they just want to see you go out there are you going to dude we sat here and had these discussions and have said these things man so him just validating and affirming those same things Matt was just for me and I know for you too just hearing that it was just like yep Exactly. Thank you. You know what I mean? We’ve been saying this forever. It’s a beautiful man. It is. It is just kind of funny when you think about it because how much time in Giddy’s expiring year season and his which happened to be his first season with the Bulls do we talk about what’s going to happen with his contract? And then we spent all summer waiting out the the final dregs of restrictive free agency. Yeah. What’s going to happen with Giddy’s contract? Like a player coming into a season that is it’s a contract year. I’m expiring. Am I proving to the team I’m on now that I’m worth a pretty penny to stick around, or am I proving to the rest of the league that I’m worth a pretty penny? And I mean, we as people who talk about the league and cover the league and people in our chat who who are obsessed with this league, we think about that all the time. Yeah. All the times contract year. And Dale just sat here a second ago and was like, “Yeah, just go hoop.” You know what I mean? That’s the bottom line. You want to get a check? You want a nice check? Well, I actually go out there and you hoop and you do your thing. But hearing how did it how was it hearing him say that Julian Phillips was the person on the team? That’s your That’s your sweet special boy right there. I That’s my sweet special boy. Still still a Julian believer. Yeah, it at first I was surprised, but then thinking about it, I I could totally see it. Especially the part where it’s like if it’s just the team. Yeah. They’re all, you know, huddled around cracking jokes and whatever. Julian’s funny. as soon as he sees a member of the media or something recognized face, it’s just like, “All right, but like to I I totally understand it.” Like that’s it’s a weird dynamic, right? Like that’s their space and we’re coming in there to talk and like like season three of Ted Lasso when Trent Crim, the independent, is like writing that book and so they give him like extra like exclusive access to the locker room and Roy Kent’s like, “Oh, nobody say [ __ ] around this man. classic though. And like Yeah, they they just that’s kind of the nature of it, right? Like they just they’re careful because they don’t want that to happen. How about this man being beloved? Beloved, I think he I think he was just talking. The most beloved member says by the team and its players. Uh we got to knock out a couple more quick ads right here cuz we didn’t take an early one cuz we are talking with Dale Terry. Uh so hit the like button during these ads if you didn’t do it yet. And when we come back, we’re gonna talk about Dale and some of those other guys. He’s going to be fighting for minutes in Billy’s bench rotation. Ads. Bow. 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Again, promo code CHGO to get $20 off because Big Dave, what time is it? I think it’s a game time. CA Show Bulls rolls along on Monday afternoon. How we doing over there, Go? Everything okay? Not a thing. This microphone doesn’t like behaving. We’re talking expectations for Dalon coming into year four. Excited to see what he can do. But um you know as this team has shifted younger as Dalon was talking about himself and you know go you mentioned to him there’s there’s a lot of mouths to feed on this young roster when it comes to who’s getting minutes outside of that projected stop uh starting five and we still don’t really have a firm answer on that starting five. Will Isaac Aoro be in there? Will it be Kevin Herder? Will Billy Donovan pull a Billy Donovan and send IO or Trey Jones out there in the starting five? Go. you’ve said that that’s totally feasible. But then when it comes to the bench mob, the bench mob whatever.0 that we are now on since that term came around and the fact that like we might we might have some actually a fun interesting pieces in this year’s Bulls bench mob. Dalon being one of them, but it’s about who carves a regular role. Not just ooh somebody’s out with an ankle today or tonight, so you’re going to get 15 minutes tonight that you wouldn’t normally get. Mhm. But outside of like we know Iowa’s going to play. Yeah. I think because of what we saw, safe to say because of some size, Zack Collins going to play. Yeah. Yeah. We know Trey Jones going to play. Resigned him. You better believe as a free agent. Mhm. Then it’s just this pocket of players between Patrick Williams, Dalon Terry, Julian Phillips, you know, Jaylen Smith, who is going to earn that like 9-10 spot in Billy’s rotation. That’s exciting. Honestly, that that excited me because that’s competition. And you heard Dalin just talk about that how those practices are. Like, I get it. These are my friends and I love that, but we’re competing now. Now it’s for competition. cuz we all want to play and we all want to win and knowing guys in their contract situations, you know, having basically a year left on it and we don’t know what the future holds with certain situations, but all you got is right now. So, that’s the focus and right now the focus is we want to go to the playoffs cuz this was he was saying like I loved hearing him say that it ate at him so much that the Miami Heat won that game and he thought about it for months and it bothered and bugged him. literally his whole career was playing it for the last three years losing to the Heat in the same result every season the same team like he knows it well you know what I mean and and that’s not a great feeling you we can all we can attest to the losing part what it feels like but he’s there playing the game you know what I mean so that it’s worse it’s a worse feeling like that because it lives with him you know what I mean has to stick in in in his crawl as they used to say back in the day but I think Matt like it just breeds competition for me and you’re going to get the best out of these guys because they all are long, they all all are young and they all are hungry because they want to get out there, especially daily, you know, he’s starving. He wants to get out there and prove, you know, what he is and who he is and why he should be on the floor. And he proved it last year for sure cuz again, Billy’s, we know he’s just not going to hand you minutes. It’s just not his thing. You’re gonna have to earn them, especially the young guys, you’re gonna have to earn those minutes. That’s a thing. So watching Dalon earn those minutes last year like he did because of as you mentioned go what he did on the defensive end but also the what he did somewhat on the offensive end too improve against three-point shot that is a big deal that’s a big thing we saw Julian’s increase also as well uh we saw Pat move to the bench because they feel he’s more comfortable there so man it’s just it’s just going to be an exciting time for me because it’s going to be a real straight up competition cuz guys want to play and not only play but once want to win and that’s what’s the best thing about it. And I also think that they want to win. I want to win. I want to win. I I also think that like, you know, when we talk about this idea that they’re going to have to play even faster. Um, and like even last year, Billy was playing 10 guys, right? That’s not something he like felt comfortable doing in years prior. He was always playing like nine guys at most. Um, maybe they just play 12. Maybe they just like get shorter stints out there. Maybe they get all these guys opportunity and nobody plays like 36 minutes a night, but like you get a handful of guys playing, you know, 28, 30 minutes a night and a much deeper bench and just more energy, more firepower coming in um so that you can run teams off the floor for 48 minutes. And I think that’s kind of how they want to play, right? So maybe there is just going to be more of that opportunity um for for Don and Julian because those are the guys where it’s like you kind of have to figure out what you have in them long term, right? like at a certain point you’re bringing in Kevin Herder and you know you had guys there the last couple years but like you got to get these guys some minutes at some point. They got to earn them and I think they have played well and gotten better. Um but you have to see what you have there and so that would be a way to do it right is playing a deeper rotation making sure that all these guys get minutes and allowing them to just go full boore for however long they’re in. Um, and that, you know, if you’re I’m thinking of the Lakers just because we were talking about them, but like if you’re the Lakers and you’re Luca and LeBron, you know, 41y old LeBron and, you know, it’s game 70 of the season and you guys are they’re fighting for a playoff spot and these guys are playing 36, 37, 39, 40 minutes a night, try to win playoff games and all of a sudden you’re playing this Bulls team and they’ve just got like fresh legs on the court at all times. like that could be a lot to handle and that’s maybe how you overcome some of your talent deficit by beating teams with your system. I think that’s kind of the kind of the idea. Stay here for a second. Stay with me. Playing 12. That’s interesting. How does that work? Um like how do you obviously I’m not going to ask you to do all the micromanaging of it, but when you say something like that, like how does that go? I mean, look, I’m not saying there’s a reason why people don’t do it. I’ll start there. I’ll start there. Yes. Um, and part of that reason is because typically teams don’t have that kind of depth. But if you’re confident in your depth, then like I said, maybe it’s just shorter stints for I mean, you’re probably still seeing, you know, a normal starters workload for guys like Kobe and Giddy, okay, and V probably Vu. Um, but maybe you split back up five minutes between Collins and Jaylen Smith, and you just let those guys loose for, you know, two, three minute stints at a time, okay? And you just alternate them. get Vu some rest. Uh but let each th each of those guys just come in, set screens, roll, you know, shoot threes, whatever it is. Um and then so that would be, you know, two of the what would it be? Seven bench players. Um and then you have the five remaining ones. I’m just for the sake of, you know, this exercise, let’s say Kevin Herder is the fifth starter because he was starting down the stretch, right? You have Trey, uh, Io, Dalen, Julian, Patrick, Noah. That would be, I guess, a 13-man rotation, which is pretty unlikely, but you’re just sprinkling those guys in for like short spurts, letting them run up and down. Um, giving guys breaks, and that way you can keep a bunch of different rotations on the floor. You get a bunch of different data about how these guys play together, uh, while they’re on the court together. Like on-off data is super important. Um, and you let them play like uninhibited. Like you’re not going to have to worry about foul trouble if you’re playing, you know, 10 minutes a night and you just get like two five minute stints where you just go all out. Like I think that there’s something to be said there for giving those guys opportunity that way. Um, and I do think that there’s like a like a tier of talent on this team. Like I’m not saying guys don’t deserve minutes or they do, but if you’re trying to build a developmental system where everybody’s getting minutes and you know that other teams on a nightto-ight basis have a good chance to be more talented than you, how else can you try to beat them? You could try to beat them with shooting a lot of threes, playing with a lot of pace, and playing with a lot of depth. So I think they’re going to try to incorporate some of that stuff. I’m not saying they will do that, but it’s just something that they could go to. It is a good thing to have that in especially this early in the regular season to have that kind of depth because it allows you to play matchups much much better. Yeah. Um you can look and see what another team is putting out there on the floor obviously and say, “Oh no, give me this guy, this guy, this guy, this guy.” Go out there, attack, you know, take the ball from them and go do what you do best. So, it’s a great thing. So, it’s something to be said for that depth and the young depth because like I said, they still have stuff to prove. So, that’s going to be interesting to see, man. Uh before we’ve got a little bit of time left before we wrap up just to I mean I I am truly about as curious as I’ve ever been about a bench rotation as I am coming into this season. Okay. Uh Katie, do you have those splits on pre and post all-star minutes per game for a handful of these young players, including our pal Denton Terry, who was just here with us in studio. And so this is just, you know, I just picked three names because I think these three names are definitely going to be in that fight for I’m going to prove to Billy Donovan that I I deserve real minutes every night. Yeah. Battle. Yeah. On the heels of kind of like that rotation that go just ran through. So Don Terry was at 12 and a half minutes per game before the All-Star break. Um after Allstar break, is that right? Oh, I’m sorry. 12. Yeah, 12 to 15 and a half. So Derry Dalen Terry saw his minutes go up as did Julian Phillips. He went from 12.8 to 17.2 minutes per game. Jaylen Smith with the arrival of Zack Collins in the Zack Lavine trade his number dipped by just over one minute per appearance. The other thing to factor into this of course I Dumu goes down for the season right around the same time as them coming back from Allstar break. I think he played the first game back, sat a few, played one more, and then was done for the year. So that partly explains Dalen and Julian’s, you know, minutes going up. Mhm. There’s also Trey Jones arrives, looks really good. Hey, Billy plays him a lot, even starts what, nine games, then he goes down. So like there was some next man up stuff going on for the Bulls in that home stretch of regular season games. and Julian and Dalon specifically, I think, took advantage of it. We saw Pat’s minutes fade from before to after the All-Star break because he also went from being a starter to not a starter. So, I mean, Dave, when you see that trend Mhm. are whose name, if if there is one, are you pinpointing to be like, I want fill-in- thelank player to win that job out of the gate. Oh man. I mean, you know, I’m a little biased, you know what I mean? Because I’ve been a Dalen Terry fan since he got here. So, I won all the good things for for Dalen Terry um to win that, but he’s in a position now, especially for what I saw last year, that he’s earning it. So, it’s not just being handed to him. So, he’s out there earning it because again, Billy is not handing young players anything. True. You’ve got to earn that stuff, man. So, the most surprising one was I shouldn’t say surprising, but like it raised my eyebrow was Julian Phillips because seeing him go from that from those 12 minutes to 17. Yeah. Again, it’s a real jump. I feel that was the biggest benefit for for Io not being there, but also for the Bulls needing that 3 and D guy at the same time. So, that’s why I think Julian was out there and also Dalon mentioned like he mentioned he had some injuries as well. So, that kind of played into it too. But do I want I want to see it be Dan Terry because that dude truly wants it, man. Like like for real, he wants it that bad. You sat and you heard and you listen to him, bro. Like he wants it that bad. He wants to be on a different kind of level in the NBA and he wants to go out there and prove it and earn it. So if he proves it and earns it with what I think he’ll do, Bull’s going to have some a really solid bench led by him. Go. Did you see Billy just kind of tinkering around through the first 15 to 20 games of the season and giving different guys different opportunities on a nightly basis on switching things up as far as who get those minutes and you know 8 n and 10? Yeah. What’s Dave’s favorite billism? He is not not bewholded to any lineup. So, uh I think that’s absolutely true. you’ll see like a night I’m looking at game logs here like you know Dalon played 26 minutes against the Mavericks uh in game 74 and Julian played 16 minutes that game. So like and then Julian played 5 minutes against Portland and Dalen played what is it uh 14. So, I think like depending on what the game what Billy feels like the game is calling from him. Um, do they need more shooting or athleticism and like offensive rebounding? Maybe you throw in Julian there. If you feel like you really need like elite point of attack defense uh and transition play, maybe you go with Dalen. Um, and so it’s just like different levers for Billy to pull um as depending on who they’re playing. But I also think that like with the injuries you brought up, like they almost saying his knees were hurting down the stretch. Like another reason why like play these guys fewer minutes, play them faster and try to keep them healthy throughout the course of the year. Um but obviously like this isn’t a you know bad example, but like a Clippers situation where you can like rest guys all year like and still make the playoffs and not worry about it. Like they got to put their foot to the floor here and like make the actual playoffs. So um that’s that’s going to be a piece of it too. And I think you’re just going to like one thing about Billy is that he I I think he’s really good at like finding different ways to exploit advantages. Like he’s done that with different players, whether it was like changing the style of play, um you know, changing the amount of players that are in his rotation, shooting more threes, shooting less threes, adding more offensive rebounds. Like he’s always tinkering with like what is the best formula for us to try to win games. Um, and yeah, maybe it’s getting different guys opportunities, maybe it’s playing more minutes, you know, who knows? But, um, you know, from the perspective of like the team as a whole and the front office, like Dylan’s contract is coming up here. Like Julian is coming up not far behind it. Yeah, man. Um, it’s a thing. Noah’s a rookie, but like these things move fast and like you want to you want to see what you have in guys so you know who to invest in. Um, and I think this is this is the first season since we’ve covered the team where it was like from day one a year where they were thinking about like development. It wasn’t like let’s get Zack back on the floor and rehab his value so we could try to move him and then we’ll figure it out. It’s like we are at square one now and how do you build forward from there? Not sure exactly what the answer is, but I think they will have options. Yes, Char. I I love that Billy is going to have some options for the back end of his rotation. Yeah. Um it’s going to be good. Can’t wait to see what happens. Absolutely good, guys. Uh all right, that’s going to do it for today. We’ll pause the conversation there, pick it back up tomorrow when we’ll be back live again, 4:30 Central time. Uh just another quick reminder. Uh we are pushing from our usual 4 start time in the throughout the offseason and shifting now as we move closer to in season. Our daily start time on non-game days, it’s going to be 4:30 Central. So we will see you tomorrow. We will then and there. In the meantime, follow go_gotly. Read your stuff. All cho.com, the most beloved member of the Bulls beat. You heard it from D and Terry. Big day. Bow. BWL sports. I’m BS_. We are cho ch bulls. Shout out to the queen of the controls, the one and only Katy DVY. And also shout out to our guest today. Yeah, Denon Terry. Uh, meeting day a week away. We’ll be here tomorrow with more Bull Talk. Have a great night. See you. Be good. Bulls nation. He had hours on punish y’all. 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The CHGO Bulls crew welcome Chicago Bulls shooting guard and ultimate hype man Dalen Terry to the studio! Matt Peck, Big Dave and Will Gottlieb chat with Dalen about his offseason workouts, goals for the upcoming season and more. What is he focused on as he competes for a larger role in Billy Donovan’s rotation? Does he like the team’s new up-tempo offense? And what are his first impressions of rookie teammate Noa Essengue? The guys also talk about the group of player who will be competing for those end-of-rotation minutes, and how each of them can stand out to earn playing time.

0:00 Welcome to the show
1:20 Dalen Terry in the house!!
2:30 Dalen on Billy Donovan
3:30 Dalen on his teammates
5:50 Dalen’s offseason focus
8:40 Dalen on Bulls fast offense
12:05 Dalen on Demar DeRozan’s mentorship
13:00 Dalen on Bulls defensive focus
15:10 Dalen on Matas Buzelis
16:00 Dalen on Noa Essengue
17:05 Dalen on minutes competition
20:30 Dalen on new jersey number
21:30 Dalen on Josh Giddey’s halfcourt shot
22:50 Dalen on being a hype man
24:15 Dalen on losing in the play-in
25:55 Dalen on charitable focus
28:05 Dalen on impending restricted free agency
32:00 The season ahead for Dalen Terry
47:00 Bench minutes rotation

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