Cincinnati Bengals’ Offensive Line Struggling AGAIN: Who Deserves MOST Blame?

Cincinnati Bengals’ Offensive Line Struggling AGAIN: Who Deserves MOST Blame?

We’ve been doing this show a long time now. We are really, really sick of talking about bad Bengals offensive lines. Here we go again. You are locked on Bengals, your daily Cincinnati Bengals podcast, part of the Locked On Podcast Network, your team every day. What up, Bengals fans? Welcome to another episode of the Lockdown Bengals podcast. Part of the Lockdown Podcast Network, your team every day. I’m Jake Liscoco. He’s James Rene and we are your host of Lockdown Bengals, covering your Cincinnati Bengals as a one-stop shop for everything going on with your favorite team since 2016. And if you’re an everydayer, shout out to those of you who don’t miss an episode. Shout out to everyone who makes Locked on Bengals their first listen. Today we dive into the topics dure the topics of the day in a mailbag episode where most of you are curious about the offensive line and looking for reasons to hang on to hope for this season after one of the worst losses in Bengals history and the widest margin of defeat in Bengals history. That’s where we will start today’s episode. And James, we’re going to start with more talk about a bad offensive line. And if there was anything that was going to torpedo our expectations for this season, and boy have they been torpedoed through a couple of weeks here, it was going to center on the offensive line. Today’s episode brought to the people by FanDuel, where new customers can bet $5 and get $300 in bonus bets if that first bet wins. And we we every year in the preseason, James, it feels like for the last few years, have talked about the the moves they’ve made at offensive line, being sick about talking about offensive line, and then inevitably it comes up in the season. And this might be the worst version of an offensive line we’ve seen in the Zack Taylor era. It’s bad. I don’t know if it’s the worst because some of those were really, really bad back in the day. But considering the expectations, it is by far the most disappointing. Even if you didn’t think that this was going to be the best offensive line that Joe Burrow/Zack Taylor had had, you thought it would be solid. There there was real belief, especially after they added Risner, that all right, well, they should be solid and they can’t run the ball. They can’t pass the ball. They c they are the worst offense in the league right now. And a lot of that has to do with the offensive line. You can’t tell me Chase Brown just totally forgot how to run the football. I don’t buy I don’t believe it and I’m going to push back on those who are like, “Oh, well, somehow JP Ryan should be the lead back.” And yes, if you look at certain social media circles, that’s what some are saying. I’m not there. I don’t think Chase Brown is playing great, but I don’t think he’s had the opportunity to play great or well at a high level. And it’s not just a little bad or below average. It’s so bad. Like coming into this year, you just kind of wanted the run game, at least for me, and this is with Joe Burrow. You want the run game to be functional, to be kind of a complimentary piece that’s going to help take a little pressure off of Joe, but you know, the the engine. Well, they need the run game to be a bit more than that now. And so far, this offensive line, which was really put together to pass block, hasn’t pass blocked at a high level. And when you go into a game thinking you’re going to run the ball and your lead back averages less than a foot per carry, in Chase Brown’s case, less than a foot per carry, well, something’s really, really, really, really, really, really, really wrong. And and that’s where I’m at now. And I’m we were texting about this last night after you did your film review with Sans. It is all on for me. I’m eyeing Zack Taylor. He needs to fix this. That’s where the pressure is. That’s where the pressure lies. I’m not absolving the front office. But it’s September. It isn’t March. It isn’t April. We spent all offseason talking about this offensive line more so than probably anyone on the planet outside of maybe the front office and maybe even them. And so you got to get it fixed somehow because they got to be much much better than they’ve been through the first three weeks. Cincinnati Bengals by PFF grading and use all the grains of salt for PFF grading that you want have by far the worst run blocking grade in the NFL. 37.8 collectively out of a hundred as a team run blocking grade out of a 100. Like 50 is really bad and there are some teams around 50. There are seven teams right around 50 or worse. And the New Orleans Saints are second worst at 47.7. That’s pretty close to 50. Getting down to a 37.8. Even if you don’t believe it anything about PFF, it’s hard to deny that matches the eye test. So James, a lot of questions like I said in the mailbag today about the offensive line. And the first one goes to the heart of how you concluded your opening statement on today’s show. This comes from Jay Gundler. The Bengals offensive line has been poor during the Taylor era. When do we start questioning his scheme? Stop blaming the players and the offensive line coach coaches. There have been three. Right now. Right now. Because you’re right, three offensive line coaches. Frank Pollock was the run game coordinator last year. And you could certainly feel by the end of the year it’s like, ah, well this this just it’s not fitting right. And so, yeah, Zach, it’s on Zack Taylor. Better fix it. Got to fix it. And it’s the same running back. It’s a lot of the same offensive lineman. And it’s not like their guards were great last year. Our everydayers are laughing at that idea that the Bengals had great guards last year. So, it’s not like there should be such a drop off that you can’t function in the run game. And that’s the case right now. So, it’s it’s all on Zack. It’s all on Dan Pitcher and and Scott Peters who was picked by Zack Taylor. This you have to figure it out. You have to find a way to get this run game going and and get one of your best players. Like Chase Brown’s their third best player on offense like skill-wise. Like without a doubt there there there’s there’s no other player I would say that is even really contending for that spot. You need Chase Brown to be productive through the air, on the ground. I thought he would lead them in yards from scrimmage this year. He’s going to lead them in yards behind the scrimmage. I mean, it’s uh it’s been rough, but no, I I think Z for me a the a huge part of this is on Zack Taylor. And obviously there’s time to turn it around. There’s 14 more games, but it better start now. It’s got to start now because you don’t have the margin of error that you had with Joe Bro at quarterback and you have to hit the ground running here, especially with the schedule over the next month. Yeah, we talked about the offense, the run offense, the offensive line quite a bit in the film review yesterday, too. So, if you’re looking for like specifics about the Minnesota game, go check that out with Mike Santagen Sands. And, you know, I made the quip about it being the worst offensive line they have because those are they’ve had because that’s kind of the results they’re getting, especially in the run game. You can go back to the Super Bowl of course and see the Jonah Williams, Quinton Spain, Trey Hopkins, Hakee Denji, Isaiah Prince offensive line that they rolled out there and uh the remaining NFL careers for those guys, which wasn’t very long for most of them, but I don’t know how this doesn’t end up at the head coach’s feet at this point. We’re what, six years in to this thing? Is it six 19 seven some amount of years in six or seven years in seven the uh yeah 2019 and every year it seems to have gotten worse like they had a couple years where they were running the ball efficiently even in their pass heavy offenses they were running the ball with good success rates good EPA numbers even if it wasn’t good for counting stats they weren’t producing fantasy running backs or whatever it was because it wasn’t a huge part of their offense They were able to run the ball efficiently for a couple years there and then it kind of all fell apart. And when it’s a cultural thing, it’s the way you’re designing your program, the way you’re designing your team, the way you’re emphasizing things in practices. And you understand why they do it, right? You have Joe Burrow, you have Jamar Chase, you have T. Higgins. So, of course, you want to emphasize passing the ball. But the way the NFL has gone and the way these seasons have gone, the inability to run the ball, even against advantageous looks, has to at some point be part of your organizational philosophy. And that is to the detriment of those awesome passing players that you have in Joe Burrow, T. Higgins, and Jamar Chase. And it is to the detriment of your offensive line and pass protection and your play action game and other things you can do schematically on offense when you’re that bad at running the ball. And it’s that little apparently of an organizational priority. I I hope that isn’t the case because it it can’t be the case when you don’t have Joe Burrow. Like I I do think there are very real scenarios where you could go into every week and just let Joe do what Joe does and it work enough to get wins. Can’t do that with Jake Browning. Can’t do that with with with Jake Browning on the road in the loudest stadium in the NFL in Minnesota. you’re certainly not going to be able to do that this week against Denver in a a must-win for the Broncos so they avoid one and three. Like there’s there’s so many levels to it and and I think there’s more um here on the the run game and the philosophy and all of those things because it it does need to shift with Jake Browning, but it can’t be Well, I just have more thoughts on it. We’ll get to those coming up next. Today’s show is brought to you by Mazda. Mazda crafts cars for those who do more than simply move. Mazda delivers confidence with every ride. With more IHS top safety picks and awards than anyone else and from footwork to breathe work athletes, they sweat all the details. While Mazda brings the same attention to how they craft every single model can make everyday drives feel like anything but from smooth handling to intuitive controls. Bengals offensive line could certainly start operating like Mazda. And like well NFL players, the Mazda sweats every detail. When you make every move count, impossible becomes irrelevant. Mazda move and be moved. All right, Jake, let’s get to this a little bit more because I do think like looking back in the to at the Minnesota game just for a second. You can’t go into a game saying, “All right, well, we’re going to win with run game or we’re going to do a lot of 12 heavy personnel and not get Jamar and T involved.” And hopefully Zach learned that because I I don’t really care who’s on the other side or what the game plan is or where the game’s being played or who’s at quarterback. Those are your best players for a reason. And so, yeah, the run game, they stunk and they’ve continue to stink and that needs to be better. You got to find ways to get your top players the ball. It’s so interrelated though, right? Because Bryant Flores is making life hard for many quarterbacks in the NFL, especially quarterbacks that are coming off the bench who aren’t the best quarterbacks in the NFL. Brian Flores is going to make life hard. So, there is that confounding piece of things where Jake Browning’s first start is against Brian Flores. Brian Flores knows what the Bengals are. He dared them to run the ball. They could not run the ball. They were generally keeping two safeties high the entire game. They’re generally trying to keep a safety over Jamar Chase for the entire game. But those aren’t excuses. Teams try to do that to Jamar Chase every week. Teams try to do that to Justin Jefferson every week. Those guys still get theirs. Teams try to do that to T. Higgins to some degree every week, but having both of those guys on the field is supposed to be a force multiplier for your passing offense where you have both. And so you put defensive coordinators in a position where they can’t be right because you have both of those guys outside. So, while I understand the idea in that game, like try to make things easy for Jake Browning, try to establish a run, try to get the screen game going, try to incorporate Jamar on these little touch passes and jet sweeps and these ideas. I I get the idea there, but when you can’t execute it, you become so easy to defend. And this is what we were talking about yesterday, too. If you can’t run the ball against those two high looks, teams can just sit in those two high looks, try to confuse the heck out of your quarterback, confuse the heck out of your offensive line, and say, “We’re just going to win when we’re outmatched in the trenches. We have a numbers disadvantage in the trenches. We’re still going to hold you to.3 yards per carry, and good luck trying to throw the ball.” That’s how these things are related, right? When teams don’t have to dedicate those resources at all to the run game and in fact can go, we’re going to sell out to stop the pass and you still can’t run it on us. That’s when you have a real problem and that’s where the Bengals were on Sunday and that’s really where they’ve been throughout this season because it’s not like it’s just Sunday that was bad. And again, some of this is the opponents they’ve played. The Browns defense looks legit this year. Look at what they just did to Green Bay. Minnesota’s defense, it had its issues, but Brian Flores defenses are hard to deal with. Jacksonville’s defense, one of the more prolific and creating turnovers all year, and some of that is a quality of competition. They’ve played uh Carolina and Houston, I think, outside of the outside of the Bengals. So, it’s not like they faced great great opponents to get the rankings they have defensively. But while we talk about these stars, James, and people raise these questions all the time, like, you have Jamar, you have T. How can you be this bad on offense, this is why the run game is still important, at least to a baseline level in the NFL because when you can’t do it, it just gets so easy for defensive coordinators to deal with, especially because defensive coordinators are trying to stop Jamar and T. They’re not sweating, especially now. I mean, you think the Denver Broncos right now are sitting there in their offices sweating Chase Face Brown in this this offensive line and having to deal with whatever the heck the Bengals rushing attack and I’ll say that in quotes for those listening attack possess I mean they’re not they’re not and it’s uh it’s concerning what what do you make of and this kind of gets into some of the other questions here but uh uh Hank Nizzle brought up Ted Carris and Matt Lee. And so I’m going to Do you think the Bengals will actually give Matt Lee a chance to play center if Ted Carris continues to play poorly, so you can answer that, but what do you make of like the the aggressiveness conversation coming from the offensive line a little bit? Ted discussed that on Monday a little and just like I I feel like it’s rare you hear veterans, especially offensive linemen, talk about needing to be aggressive and yet here we are. I I mean aggressive in what sense? I think Ted knows he’s been not himself or not up to the level that we’re used to seeing from him this year and and Sunday was another example of that. Like Ted’s had a rocky start to the season to the point that I’ve brought it up before last week and the right guard spot has been obviously disappointing. They they lost of course Lucas Patrick very early in the season to the point that we had another question in the mailbag here like why did the why did the run game only look good with Lucas Patrick for a handful of snaps this year? How badly do the Bengals need Lucas Patrick back after all of the fire Lucas Patrick took in the preseason? But like I I don’t see how you can’t consider personnel changes the way those guys have performed. Like Orlando Brown, Amario Spence, so they’re they’re going to be out there, right? those guys are going to play. Orlando not built to run block and I think schematically they have some issues with the way they’re asking Orlando to set in in the run blocking game and Dylan Fairchild’s probably going to stay out there, right? Like those are the guys that are probably locked into their jobs. Ted probably is too, but the way he’s played, if it doesn’t get better, the way he’s moving right now, I personally would consider it, and I hate saying that because I really like Ted Carris. I think he brings an important mental aspect to the offensive line, too. But I don’t see how you don’t consider every option in terms of personnel the way that the offensive line’s performing. And I don’t really know like what what do they mean by aggressiveness, James? Like what what does that mean to you when you hear that from Ted? Well, getting knocked off the ball and not not knocking, you know, like literally you you could say playing physical like Yeah. Knock knock not getting the line reset three yards in the back. Like that’s inexcusable stuff for professional. No doubt. I mean, that’s why Chase Brown stunk is because he’s cutting back, you know, he’s jump cutting after getting the the ball. like one of two running backs in the NFL with negative yards before contact with Ashton Genty is is a fun stat for Chase Brown. And you can like if Joe Burrow is the quarterback, you you can survive a lot of weeks without being able to run the ball. You really can. He’s just that good. He’s not the quarterback anymore. You went from Superman to like a a normal human. He’s Jake Browning can win you games. I believe that. We’ve seen that. He’s four and four as a starter, but he’s more normal. He’s not a cyborg. He’s not a robot. He’s not whatever you want to say. And uh man, it feels like a years ago now at this point, but remember when Joe Burrow was to blame for the Bengals run game issues? And I know there’s more there to it, but you get my point. Like this this has to be better. The offensive line just has to play better. They need to be more aggressive. And by aggressive, knock some dudes off the ball. create a hole somewhere for Chase Brown to find it. And and if you do that, then your job protecting Jake Browning is going to be easier. It’s going to make things much easier overall. My biggest concern, it’s not that they couldn’t run the ball against Minnesota. It’s that they went in there thinking they were going to be able to run the ball against Minnesota and that was like their main game plan and then they started the game started and they could not run the ball. That’s and and there multiple plays that look like they we talked about this on the film review episode yesterday. There multiple plays look like they haven’t repped wide zone in a couple of years and maybe they haven’t like they’re leaving nose tackles unblocked in concepts that are not meant to leave the nose tackle unblocked. Not that there a whole lot of those but like maybe they do need to go back to the basics and do the things that they’ve done lately which is like inside zone duo like not a very diverse run game. At some point you need to add more stuff, but like they tried to add stuff and it really went poorly. So you either need to figure those things out quickly or just stick to what works. We did have a question about looking for reasons for optimism. James, we’ve been ragging on this run game, this offensive line, which clearly needs to be better. But let’s go there. And uh shout out to Rudy Johnson. RIP to Rudy Johnson that we will have to finish the show with. That one that one got me this morning, James. We’ll finish with those couple topics here coming up next. Today’s show is brought to you by FanDuel, America’s number one sports book. The NFL season is in full swing. And whether it’s Monday night when it’s Bengals, Broncos, or anytime in week four, FanDuel has you covered. Right now, new customers can bet just $5. And if your bet wins, you get $300 in bonus bets to use across the app. That’s right. If your bet wins, get $300 in bonus bets to use across the app. And that’s awesome because you can use it on same game parlays, live bets. Maybe you think that Chase Brown is going to break out. Maybe you think that the Bengals are just not going to be able to handle business in Denver. Right now, they’re sevenpoint underdogs. It was seven and a half, Jake. Now it’s down to seven. You’re ready to play? Well, you should be. Download the FanDuel app now by visiting FanDuel.com to get started. That’s fandal.com to place your first $5 bet. James, the last question we’re going to take in this mailbag today from Drew Drew Crabtree 12 on Twitter. Last week was such a mess. What about this team? Do you have any optimism about heading into Monday Night Football in Denver? Other than that was so bad it can’t be worse. It can only be better. Well, that’s where it starts, right? Like I I do think that they’ll be better just because it really is hard to be worse. But look, run gamewise, even thinking back to Zack Taylor’s first year, and it took them too long, but they did figure out the run game. Remember Joe Mixon, I think that those final eight games of the 2019 season and that god-awful offense, like they they got going a little bit. So, I do think he could figure it out and they could figure it out. And and part of it is because again, it’s a lot of the same faces as last year. That’s what’s that’s what’s wild to me. It’s a lot of the same faces, so I would expect them to do it. And so that’s that’s part of it. I think the defense overall has been okay. Like Chris Jenkins flashed. Amarius Mims has flashed on off. Like I’m now I’m just highlighting reasons for optimism. Overall, Chris Jenkins flashed. Amarius Mims flashed. Hopefully Shamar Stewart maybe maybe with that extra day has a shot this week. I don’t know that. That’s me speculating. I uh I think they can figure it out. But this this is a big one. This is a big one because if you could get the three in one somehow someway for the first time since 2021, it just gives you a little room to breathe here because the the next few weeks are going to be tough. Detroit in week five, we saw them on Monday night what they’re capable of. They’re a very very very good and complete team and uh so yeah, finding a way would be would be huge. So, I I don’t know if that was enough optimism, too little, too too much, but there’s there’s little doses of it there. Here’s what I would say is that it’s a good defense that Denver has, but it’s not they they have game records up front for sure, but there’s no Miles Garrett over there and there’s no Brian Flores over there. It’s a sound defense that will make life hard on you, but kind of do it in more normal ways. And so, you know, you take care of the ball a little bit better or a lot better. You turn the ball over five times, it’s always going to look like that unless your defense also collects five takeaways of their own. But you take care of the ball, it’s going to look way better than it did against Minnesota. What was it? They gave up 31 points. 31 points off turnovers. Yes. Off turnovers. And that’s almost all in the first half. Or was it all in the first half? Like 24 were in the first half. So game over. The the score was 34 to3 at halftime. Is that right? And how many of those came from turnovers? 24. 24. So including 17 in the final two minutes. Yeah. So it was 10 to three without the turnovers. Yes. And and that doesn’t account for the Bengals being in scoring range when they committed some of those turnovers, right? So like the game’s going to look a lot different if you don’t fumble the ball five times and throw two picks. You’re gonna have some turnovers, especially with Jake Browning at quarterback. Yeah, you are. But it’s not going to be as insane as it was against Minnesota. You’re not going to have the kinds of looks that have film grinders salivating over Brian Flores getting into exotic looks and showing three different things pre- snap. Like, that’s not what Denver does. They’re going to take things from the Minnesota tape obviously and and try to implement some of those this week because they saw what worked. But it’s not a Minnesota Brian Flores defense. It’s not a Miles Garrett defense. In those ways, the offense should look better. Still a really difficult task. Really good defensive line for Denver this week. Again, there’s obviously some good players on that defense. The Denver offense has been a mess for the better part of this year. I know Bo Nicks had his one of his best games as a rookie against the Bengals last year, but he’s struggled this year, too. So, like those are reasons to think that it should look better. I don’t know if they’re going to win. They’re seven-point dogs. like that’s that’s what we’re talking about here at this point with this team. But it it should look better certainly than it did against the Vikings. Yeah, it you’re right. It has to. I uh I I think if they get their playmakers the ball, I I doubt Jamar Chase all you want. T. Higgins had a monster game against Denver last year. And they have to get Chase Brown involved. Like if if they figure it out on offense, which they should be able to figure it out on offense, like regardless of the defense, and they lose, well, I could see that. If they don’t figure it out on offense and they lose, well, that’s going to be really darn frustrating because the offense should still be solid. It just should. It too many too many of the same faces, even without Joe, too many of the same faces. Uh, by the way, I don’t know if you mentioned this yesterday uh on the film, but uh Joe was back with the team. So, just uh a heads up, he was in the locker room uh on his scooter, had his foot wrapped uh in the locker room on Monday, and so that’s good. He’s not going to travel to Denver, but uh good that Joe’s back in the building, and hopefully they give him a reason to come back this season. Yeah. Going to finish the show on a somber note. James reporting from TMZ I think had it first as they often do with these things that Rudy Johnson the Bengals former star running back formative years for me as someone watching this team as a kid was uh or has deceased this week uh TMZ’s report said that he had been struggling with mental health issues possible effects of CTE he couldn’t overcome the New York Post reporting uh that it was a suicide side and just uh tragic stuff. RIP to Rudy Johnson. This one got me. Like I said, this one really got me this morning. Rudy was one of my favorite players when I was a kid watching this team. And uh one nice note, I guess out of the TMZ report here, he was, according to the family member who informed TMZ about this, he was doing everything he could to help people on and off the field prior to his death. So, I love to hear that he’s doing the things he loved. Hate to hear that he’s struggling with mental health issues. That’s a hard one today, James. Yeah, it sucks. I mean, there’s no there’s no way around it. You’re right. I Rudy from 2000 2003 is when he broke onto the scene. Cory Dylan was dealing with some injuries. He runs for 957. It’s Marvin’s first year. They go eight and eight. And then from 04 to06, Rudy Johnson is one of the best running backs in the NFL. Was a pro bowler in ’04. uh scored 12 touchdowns and in ‘ 05 set the single season rushing record for the Bengals, 1458 yards, four more than the year prior. And so uh wasn’t a Pro Bowler that year, but sets the Bengals single season rush rushing record. Has another 12 touchdowns. 06 has another 12 touchdowns and runs for 1,000 plus. Like those years, I mean, he tallies over 4,000 yards in three seasons and and was just awesome. And it just it sucks. It’s awful. He’s only 45. Was going to be 46 years old next week. Too young, too soon. Uh really, really brutal news. So, thinking of of Rudy’s family and and loved ones and friends and former Bengals that are are, you know, uh going through it right now and and the Bengals did as we were were recording this issue a statement on Rudy Johnson from Bengals owner Mike Brown. He said, quote, “Rudy was a fine person and an excellent running back for us. He was dependable and productive as a player and very popular among his teammates. Everyone liked him and saw him as a dear friend. We are deeply saddened by his passing. That’s Bengals owner Mike Brown. I think uh sharing the sentiments of many that have been following this team for at least couple decades. Um hate hate the CTE involved here. The NFL does of course provide some mental health resources for their players, but if you’re out there and you’re hearing this stuff, there’s there’s always resources out there. I I hope that you take those resources if you need them. There’s always the 988 Lifeline, crisis and suicide lifeline out there that you can call. And uh really, really sad stuff. Take care of yourself. Yep. I uh Oh, it’s it’s just shocking. It’s shocking to think of, you know, I saw Chad Johnson, he just put RIP in in a picture of Rudy and it’s like, man, he’s 45. Like, like he’s he’s in terms of life, he’s a baby. Like, he should be halfway there. Like, he’s at midfield. And and instead, you know, this happened. So, really, really unfortunate. I never heard a bad thing about Rudy. And you usually hear about former players if there’s bad stuff behind that like you you hear it. Haven’t heard anything bad about Rudy. So rest in peace. Rest in peace to Rudy Johnson. We’re going to wrap up there for this episode of the Lockdown Bengals podcast. Back to the normal programming for Monday Night Football. The crossover will be on the next episode here on Locked On Bengals. Until then, thanks for listening to this episode of the Locked On Bengals podcast. Do a day and have a good one.

The Cincinnati Bengals offensive line is struggling again. Can they fix their issues?

All eyes should be on head coach Zac Taylor to make this right! James Rapien and Jake Liscow explain why, plus they talk about Ted Karras’ struggles, the lack of aggressiveness in the trenches, Chase Brown and more! They also share their reasons for optimism and reflect on the surprise passing of former Bengals star running back Rudi Johnson.

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FANDUEL DISCLAIMER: 21+ in select states. First online real money wager only. Bonus issued as nonwithdrawable free bets that expires in 14 days. Restrictions apply. See terms at sportsbook.fanduel.com. Gambling Problem? Call 1-800-GAMBLER or visit FanDuel.com/RG (CO, IA, MD, MI, NJ, PA, IL, VA, WV), 1-800-NEXT-STEP or text NEXTSTEP to 53342 (AZ), 1-888-789-7777 or visit ccpg.org/chat (CT), 1-800-9-WITH-IT (IN), 1-800-522-4700 (WY, KS) or visit ksgamblinghelp.com (KS), 1-877-770-STOP (LA), 1-877-8-HOPENY or text HOPENY (467369) (NY), TN REDLINE 1-800-889-9789 (TN)