Chicago Cubs ELIMINATED by Milwaukee Brewers in NLDS Game 5 | CHGO Cubs POSTGAME Podcast
Coming up next on the CHGO Cubs Postgame Show podcast. That’s it for 2025. The Brewers knock out the Cubs. What went wrong in this short series against Milwaukee and is it enough for the Cubs to take that next step next season? We’ll look at all of it. We’ll read all your comments and we’ll relive every moment. CHGO Cubs postgame coming up next. [Music] Get down. [Music] Are you ready? [Music] [Music] [Applause] Hey Chicago, what do you say? Hey, it’s the CHGO Cubs postgame show podcast driven by Toyota let’s go places and bet 365 whatever the moment. Use the co It’s never ordinary. Use code cho365 at sign up. Cubs lose 3 to one in a winner takes all up in Milwaukee. The Brewers will face the Dodgers for the NLCS. Cubs couldn’t quite make the final four of Major League Baseball. Of course, they did make a step in progress from where they were a year ago. They won a series, but this is not the way anybody wanted it to end. Hi to everybody in the live YouTube chat here at the allnew CHGO Cubs YouTube channel. We want to start out by saying thanks to everybody that was at all the watch alongs all postseason long. We had some great numbers of people watching the games with us, living it with us. And appreciate all the comments, all the support, and all the people that are in the chat again tonight. And by the way, we’re still going to be doing it in the offseason. So tell a friend, tell a neighbor, tell a total stranger to subscribe to that CHGO Cubs YouTube page because we’re not going anywhere. Next show is going to be Monday. We’ll recap everything. We’ll probably have State of the Cubs show coming up and we’ll still be doing all of our weekly shows. Luke Stucker, Joey Chrisopoulos, and Justin Roman with you here in the postseason. Sarah running the ones and twos. Killing it. Hi. Killing it as always. It’s tough. It’s been tough. I mean, Justin, this a bummer. You know, it’s like you get so jacked up, you know, and and this whole po even the end of the regular season, you know, you’re we look so bad for a little bit, but then we had just enough fight to get that wild card one and host all three games at Wrigley Field. You you win that first game against the Padres’s feeling good. You lose that second game. Oh, elimination game. Here we go. Uh but you move on. And then this series, I believe with my entire heart, we’re going to win it. But then you lose the first two in Milwaukee. Oh my gosh, we’re going to get swept by the Brewers. No. Uh-uh. That’s not how it was written. We come and we crush the Brewers at home Wednesday and Thursday and now you’re feeling good. Like they got me back in, right? And it’s like, and all the momentum’s in our favor and Wrigley North is going to be ours. You know, Cup fans everywhere. And I just feel like they laid a goose egg out there. You know, I I would I bet my entire life savings they were going to win. No, I’m not that stupid. I have a family to think about. But I didn’t think they were going to like lay down the way they did. It it wasn’t as competitive as I was hoping it was going to be. I wouldn’t say they laid down. I just think they reverted to old bad habits. That’s what the offense looked like. We We know the pitching problem. Like you were scrapping to find the right guy to pitch the right innings, but you only gave up three runs. Yeah. It the bottom line for this game specifically was they didn’t score enough runs. And for all of us that said, “Well, we didn’t win the division, but we got the wild card and it’s no different. Anything could happen.” That is true. Anything still could have happened. This is why you’d prefer to win the division because this game would have been at Wrigley Field. And so, there are games during the regular season that you can go and point to and look at and things that happen you can say, “Yeah, the Brewers made an incredible run for one month, but the Cubs had some opportunities throughout the season. They had some misfortune and I think this game would have been a different result if you played it at Wrigley Field. I think home team won every game. Yeah. Well, that’s what it came down to, right? Is you know, when they get that extra one, that’s the the right that they get afforded when they’re in the regular season. And um and look, like we’re going to do this for a little while and thanks everyone for joining us in the chat and like you got to forgive me for a second. I I’m going to get I will I think that there’s a lot of positive things that we’re going to be able to talk about and there’s a lot of things that we could talk about with the Chicago Cubs that means that there’s a really bright future, right? And forgive me, right? Like this is an amazing opportunity to work here at CHO Sports. So like this is the first time I’ve gotten an opportunity to be in front of a microphone right after this cuz honestly guys, like from the bottom of my heart, I care about the Chicago Cubs like so much, right? And I’m heartbroken and I’m crushed just like all of you guys watching it here in the chat. But, you know, let’s have some real talk. And it isn’t about being negative. It’s just about being real and objective. Didn’t play good enough to win today. Um, and not only did they not play good enough to win today, this had been a pattern, like you said, Luke, that had kind of been festering not only with this team through August and into September, but also kind of tipped over into the October playoff series. Right. I thought, look, we had good defense and we had solid pitching and we had a couple of home runs against the Padres’s and we survived that series and and like you said, a lot of that was probably the benefit of us playing at Wrigley Field. Um, in this series in particular, um, we got absolutely waxed in game one and game two, it was great to see the fight and the resilience in this team to come back and literally tie it up. But again, when opportunity is afforded to you, Cubs just simply couldn’t capitalize. Um, simply weren’t good enough. And let’s be real about it. Like let’s just pretend for a second that maybe the the coin was flipped and maybe we had won this game two to one or three to one and played the exact same way. I promise you right now we would have gotten absolutely smoked by the Dodgers just the way that we’ve been playing over the last weekend and a half. I would agree with that. And it’s not to take away from what this team has accomplished and what it can accomplish. And there’s a lot of players on this team that can improve and get better next year. There’s a lot of players on this team that have already come into their own. Nico her that we should expect to bring the same type of quality of play next year. Um but when you look at it the bottom line I’m really not into making excuses. They just simp they simply weren’t ready to meet the challenge and they had opportunities right we’re sitting there during the watch along and your best guys are up in moments when you needed them to come through and it’s simply Justin it just simply didn’t happen today and that’s the result and and tip your hat to the tip your hat to the Brewers because uh they won today and they should have. Yeah. And I mean, Luke, I think we disagree a little bit. I I do feel like they laid an egg. I I mean, offensively laid an egg. Yes. You know, um listen, the pitching staff for a bullpen game, three runs, not too bad. All right. I would have preferred it to be a shut out, but like you know, three runs, if you can’t score more than three runs, which throughout this season, postseason we had trouble doing. You don’t deserve to win. But our offense scored one run today. One run. And it and it came early. I believe the second inning. Seas Suzuki. Short of that. Then what? Sure, we had chances, but King Tuck missed two big- time chances. I mean, Ian Hap had a phenomenal game four, but he took a strike three call in a gigantic spot today that you teach little league kids, you got to get tough with two. And I just feel like they laid an egg. I really do. Offensively, this team is better than what they showed today. They just they didn’t rise to the occasion. And I I would have bet my life that they were Listen, again, I couldn’t guarantee victory. I wanted it, but I didn’t think they were going to lose like that. It just it wasn’t the fight that I wanted. No, I hear you. And there’s there’s a lot of simple things that you can look at and you could take a bullet point and another bullet point and say they lost because of this, they lost because of this, they lost because of this. Very high on that list would be swinging out of the zone. Strikeouts. They struck out a ton of times. They had more They had eight strikeouts in this game. They had four hits, one walk. And we’ve talked about the walk thing. It sounds like a simple thing. It sounds stupid. It sounds like that’s not what real teams do. But let’s face it, they didn’t walk enough in this series. They were chasing high heat all three losses. All three losses. They couldn’t stay off the high heat. And what how many times they strike out, Joey? So, what you’re getting at right now in the series, they struck out 46 times. In the series against the Padres’s, they struck out 35 times for a number of 81 strikeouts in eight playoff games. That’s almost 10 strikeouts again. And look, like not Yeah, that’s the theme of the whole last half of the season. That’s a theme. And to your point, just really quick, I understand we all are, you know, the game is immersed in the three true outcomes, right, of of the walk, the home run, and the strikeout, right? So the strikeouts are going to happen in the game of baseball. But what you’re getting at, Luke, is when you talk to players and you talk about their hitting approach and they see these pitchers in this high velocity, they’ll sometimes say, you know, on any given day, I maybe only see one or two good pitches to hit and I have to do the best I can with what I have. What you’re alluding to isn’t necessarily about keeping the bad on your shoulder and drawing a walk. It’s about trying to spoil the good pitches of those pitchers, keeping the atbat alive because you want to increase the percentages that they will make a mistake in that sequence. And in many cases, Luke, we were helping out these Brewers hitters. I thought we helped out Mizarowski. We helped out Urebe today by swinging up in the zone. The book is out on the Chicago Cubs and and we’ll talk all off season long about what we’re going to do to either augment or change this roster. The book isn’t going to change. If you bring velocity up above the letters on the Chicago Cubs, you got them right where you want them. And I felt like at times, especially tonight, we played right into their hands with that. And even in moments when we didn’t get the strike out, uh you you brought it up during the watch along. Sea Suzuki’s got a 2-1 count and what does he do? He pops it up and it’s a a fast ball above his letters again. I mean, it’s a scouting report that the Padres’s created that then the Brewers replicated and now they’re kind of the Cubs are sitting in the own mess that they created for themselves. And and it’s unfortunate. You know, I thought the character of this team, the defense of this team, I know we’ve had a ton of injuries. I know the second half hasn’t gone exactly the way that we wanted to with Kyle Tucker’s injury, PCA struggles, Sea Suzuki struggles, Kate Horton’s injury, Jameson Tyion’s injury. overcame a lot and we got honestly a lot farther than other people thought that they did. But at the same time, you do have to be objective. As much as you want to acknowledge the success of this season, lot to work on. There is and and I said it during the watch along. I felt like I was watching a different team today. Um, you know, I I was so confident after game four of the fact that we had all the momentum and I said it a million times, whether it’s on this show or just tweeting about it, posting about it. I really really felt that. But as I’m watching this game, the offense was was cold, almost a little tight. Uh defensively, Dansby Swanson makes an uncharacteristic error. I know it didn’t hurt us, but even turning double play that looked funky. I just feel like maybe they were a little tighter than I thought they were going to be. And that that’s a little shocking because I thought we gained all momentum going into Milwaukee, but I I did feel like I was watching a different team today than I did the past two days. And then you’re talking about Sea Suzuki’s bat a bat, sorry. And then Mo Bowler comes up finally, right? Everyone’s calling for Moaler. He gets an at bat. He’s up 200 against their closer, who by the way is wild. He cannot find the zone. And Moala swings at a ball at 2 and 0. That was either a ball or a very borderline strike. He didn’t he didn’t throw a strike to the first two batteries. Yeah. And so he he he flies out. That changes the whole inning because now you he’s he continues to be wild, but we don’t have Moala at first base. It’s just little stuff like that in a 3-1 game will kill you. And it did. It killed us. Our best players didn’t play well, right? That’s that’s true. Contrarus had some big moments for them. Yeah. Right. Peralta had a good game. We got Boyd the second time around, but the first time didn’t go well. I’m not even blaming it for it. I’m just saying he didn’t pitch well the first game. Uh Shota didn’t pitch well and couldn’t use him, by the way. Couldn’t use him in this game. Not saying that it would have mattered. No, they warmed him up, but didn’t it is what it is. Yeah, I saw a comment that says, “Imagine not pitching Soda because it gives up home runs only to go out and give out three solo bombs.” Right. It’s true. Our pitching staff did give up three. They were solo bombs, but it is. Yeah, right there. Uh, no, it’s okay. But I mean, it’s a good point. You know, we didn’t want to show up pitching because he gives up the home run. Unfortunately, we gave up home runs anyway. Yeah. My guy Sean Graves on the text thread, Tucker Hap, Kelly Swanson, one for 14, seven Ks. Yeah. Horrible. You tell the tape. You know what that reminds that reminds me of 0708 when the good guys just couldn’t get and they relied a little bit too much on the home run. Yeah. The frustrating part about this 2025 finish is that this isn’t the way they played when they were the best team in baseball early in the season, the first half of the season. And I know that feels like a long time ago, but this team showed that they could score runs in other ways. But when push came to shove, they reverted back to this again late in the season. And I know some of it had to do with injuries, but not all of it. This this the way they lost this series uh was was a sample size that was much bigger than just five games. Yeah, it was. But I will say, I mean, you know, offensively at least, look end it. Milwaukee won game one and two and game five, but man, we looked dominant three and four, you know. I mean, it wasn’t like they just swept us or dominated us. 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CM for Hondo 999.99. CM the super chat. Uh thanks guys for CHGO and watching you all year. Appreciate all the work you do. Cam, thank you for sticking with us. Appreciate you. Thank you for your support and wow, thanks for hundred bucks. Uh who else we got? Our guy Steven’s always in on the super chats. Uh Stephen, for five bucks next season, this team is probably going back to meddling 500 team and in 2027 there’ll be no baseball. So enjoy the season, fans. Could you get any more negative? cancel Christmas. Wow. That’s Stephen Steven likes to get negative sometimes. Really? Uh and then he for another five bucks he throws in Shaw and PCA better work their ass off this off season. Okay, I can co-sign that. Yeah, not the first one though. Uh Yzer with a super chat. The fact you guys were able to force a game five is something to be proud of. Your team showed fight. As a socks fan myself, I would have been proud if my team had avoided a 100 losses. But why did you get rid of Andrew Vaughn? Ryder side. Yeah. Could you hold on to Andrew Vaughn? Jeez. Killed us. Unbelievable that he that perspective. I I didn’t hear who the MVP was, but he’s got to be high on that list. We were interviewing him. We don’t have audio, so I probably sure that was a riveting interview. Um uh unfunny with a $2 super chat from probably Milwaukee saying, “Remember to pay your tolls on the way home, Cubbies. We’ll see you for two packer losses.” I didn’t find that funny at all. 77699 from Matty Beard. I’m annoyed. I wanted to see them really fight for it. I did not see the fight in them, but it was better season than recent years. Let’s let the off season CHGO podcast roll. I’ll be listening. Thank you, Matty Beard. Thanks for sticking with us. It’s the best season in like seven years. So, yeah. Yeah. Uh night 6776 says, “Too many old pitchers. Where are the young guns, Jed?” Fair. Fair. that might be addressed here in the plenty of offseason shows. And Cus Jenkins says, “I don’t think the Cubs should resign Kyle Tucker. He may be 2000’s Ken Griffy Jr. all over again.” Wow. Interesting. I don’t think he’s ever going to be Ken Griffy Jr. Griffy had some pretty good years in Cincinnati. I give you guys a hot take. My hot take right out the gate. I think we’ve seen Kyle Tucker’s last at bat as a club. I probably agree with that. I know I know that passing going into the off season was saying the Cubs are still the he thought the Cubs were the front runner and that the number might be coming back more towards the Cubs because the way it played out and a short term now short term he’s getting into the it’s hard to figure out what that number is because you can see how talented and what a difference he made in the first half of the season when he’s playing great but he’s had a lot of injuries the last two years and is that something you want to invest in right and hurt or not he was healthy enough to play in the postseason season and didn’t deliver. And I mean, and let’s go down to the final game, final two at bats. Had a chance to really really save the season and twice failed at it and wasn’t competitive either at bat. I don’t know. I’m done. Well, so look, yeah, I’m not I’m not ready. We’re not done with talker yet. No, I’m not ready and I’m not ready to answer it. But I will say to your guys point and it’s something for Cubs fans to kind of chew on and think about is that when you start to kind of look at this postseason as a whole from an offensive lineup perspective, right? And you roll it back even to the regular season. Think of who the most consistent guys in this offensive lineup were all postseason. It was Michael Bush and Nicoer. Can we all agree on that? Thousand%. Were they all consistent during the regular season? Would we all say that their arrows pointing up? Yes, I would say so. Now, Sey Suzuki is a little bit of a different story. He struggled in the second half, but I don’t think any of us would all disagree that Sea Suzuki is an incredibly talented, borderline all-star hitter. I think he showed up in the postseason. That was great to see%. I’m going to put Matt Shaw and PCA over here because I know PCA had a great first half, but these are incredibly young players that I think are going to continue to develop at a certain level. And I think big things are coming for PCA next year. And I hope more progress comes from Matt Shaw. So, I don’t I’m not gonna say I’m gonna give him a pass, but the fact that they were ineffective in the postseason, I’m not going to like flip my lid on it. Right. And you’re right, but Matt Shaw’s defense has always been good postseason and postseason. And it’s just going to get better. Just just going to get better. The guys that I’m kind of circling on this one are Ian Hap, Carson Kelly, and Danby Swanson. These are guys that were very, very polarizing during the regular season. These are guys that have had ups and downs. These are guys whose numbers are strikingly similar. 240ish average, 17 to 20 something home runs, 60 to 80ish RBI’s. And I’m not here to knock those guys with my point right now. But those guys, those three specifically, you take away Carson Kelly’s home run, he basically did nothing in the postseason by and large. You take away Ian Hap’s home run the other day, what were we talking about? Bench Ian Hap did not have a good night tonight. Those were glue guys and foundation guys that really needed to add up to make a difference in the postseason. And then finally, the one guy that I’m leaving out who was supposed to be what, the king on the chessboard, Kyle Tucker. And Kyle Tucker got on base and I think we’ll look at his average and we’ll say okay. But Luke, would you say that he was a differencemaker in this postseason? No, he didn’t have the impact. He didn’t have a superstar impact at all. No, he he barely had a average impact. an average players impact on on the postseason. Carson, the one guy you mentioned, Carson Kelly, that was polarizing the season. He’s the one guy I kind of leave off of this because I feel like we we were playing with house money with Carson Kelly. Like absolutely sure he he exceeded all kinds of projections in the year. Was he good in the Was he good in the postseason? No. Yes. No. But he was really not here to be a problem solver. It was supposed to be Amaya’s season anyway. This guy’s supposed to be your second catcher, right? not a guy that you’re counting on to deliver a postseason series win. So, I’m not hanging anything on Carson Kelly. Hap, at least he was a major player in a major win. Went at bat. Really? The one guy you mentioned that I kind of want to push back a little bit on was Danby Swanson cuz the first series Swanson made a gigantic impact with his defense. So, and a couple hits, too. So, I I I don’t I agree. He didn’t really show up in this series that I can remember. But against the Padres’s, we don’t win that series without Dan Swanson, right? But what what’s the theme of what we’re talking about? We’re talking about offense. They didn’t score like they didn’t score tonight. You know what I mean? And I think that’s what’s so disappointing. Like we I’m with you full step that like there’s a lot of components of this team that I like a whole lot. Defense them being especially one of them. And I’m not going to move away from I think Danby Swanson officially like is a Cub in my opinion cuz I will always look back on that wild card round fondly. But if you’re trying to sort of pick apart, you know, where did we go wrong or where did we fall short and where do we maybe need to improve? Where do we need to improve is yet to be seen. Where do we felt we fell a little short though was offensively and some of it was some of those more middle of the road guys on offense. And Kyle Tucker, a guy who was supposed to be a huge difference maker that I get it he wasn’t 100% but you just can’t pull away from the fact that you know he just didn’t show up the way that he had at times in the first half of the season of the regular season. Let me add one more thing. Ian Hap has a no trade clause. He’s not going anywhere. Seiya does too there. But I don’t I don’t think I want to get rid of Seiya, right? Sayya showed you. No, but everybody that wants change and wants to see Casey and Alcantra and they want to make this big splash for Schwarber and all these other things. Two of your outfield spots are locked, right? Locked. If if T even if Tucker’s gone, that means Sei is playing right field. Yep. or DH depending on I guess if you found someone that was better but there aren’t that many spots you’re really going to adjust this team right I wanted to compare this team to 2015 it’s just not a it’s just not an apples to apples comparison it’s not the run was the the run felt a little similar like you were building something this was this was the first after a lot of losing so in that way they were similar but I don’t know if it’s exactly the same. It’s not. But the the the optimistic part of me says, what was that 2015 team like? A lot of young guns, right? You had uh Rizzo, Bryant, Bayz, Russell. Well, we have a lot of young guns as well with PCA, with uh Shaw, with um Kate Horton. You know, I’d argue Owen Casey’s going to play in there. Mo. But we have some young guns that are ready to play and ready to really contribute and it’s time to kind of like um uh accessorize them with with the superstars. And that’s exactly what we thought we were doing with Kyle Tucker this off seasonason. You thought you were you were getting this big superstar to help the young guys and it it worked out for two I don’t want to take away for two months. Kyle Tucker was phenomenal and this offense was going crazy because of it. You had Tucker, PCA, and Seiya firing on all cylinders, but all we got were two months of them and then it was never the same. Well, that’s what’s going to be so difficult, right? And and unfortunately, Kyle Tucker’s made it difficult on Cubs fans and probably the market and even what his, you know, near future is going to look like is that what are you investing in and what are you what are you banking on? Are you banking on the first two months of Kyle Tucker or are you banking on honestly the last what July, August, September, parts of October, three and some change month of Kyle Tucker? And that’s going to be the calculus that Jed’s going to have to put into play. And look, yeah, we we saw it with our very eyes the potential of what this lineup can look like as it grows and gets better. And that’s going to be a huge question because I’m I don’t know. I don’t have an answer right now. We just lost like 25 minutes ago, right? But like I don’t know if it’s like a full overhaul of the lineup that’s it’s gonna take right it might a slight augmentation. Um I have one idea where I would like to see the Chicago Cubs get a lot better at. Um but I don’t think it was the reason why they it cost them this series. So a lot of questions when it comes to Kyle Tucker moving forward. Not just Kyle Tucker. A lot of questions period. But the the 2015 that I’m thing that I’m going back to and everybody’s like well not nearly as talented. Think about if Justin Steel isn’t hurt on this team, right? Yeah. Think if Horton’s not hurt. Now, I know you can say that every season. Teams can look back. Woodruff wasn’t here in this series, but you you are stacked in the rotation if Horton emerges like this and you have steel because guys like Boyd Ar is tired at the end of the season or Boyd pitches tonight. Literally, Tyion really stepped up for you this year. Unquestionably his best season. So, there are some things to be and I still would say add more pitching obviously that that’s what I would do. I would take the Tucker money and actually Yes. even though the defense or even though the offense was the problem in this series, I would even go heavier into the pitching. I still would go heavier into the pitch. I agree. The money you’d be spending on Cal Tucker when you also be blocking Owen Casey and Alcantara and whatever um or Moaler if you want to put him at DH that money would best be served. Uh, isn’t Freddy Peralta a free agent? Uh, Dylan CE is a free agent. You could go out and get uh another stud, if not two. I agree. I think you just load up on the pitching staff. Uh, that money would be better well spent, I think, than giving tons of it to Kyle Tucker. And it was extremely underwhelming. Yeah. And when you talk about what they’re going to do moving forward, let’s also not forget Yeah. like that Kyle Tucker money comes off the books, right? that means they’re even further under the luxury tax or whatever the threshold is. Like Chicago Cubs are going to have some decisions to make about where they’re going to spend their money. Um, if we want to like sit here in the here and now, I I have to look at it specifically, but I do think one of the first priorities is probably getting together with Michael Bush and trying to figure something out like post haste about trying to get him locked up. Um, the second one might also be like, do you want to bring Brad Keller back and what does that look like? you know, so there’s a lot of where they can allocate their dollars, but I’m with you guys both that like top-of-the-line starting pitching. 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We said the Cubs had the advantage in home runs that the Brewers were the last team left that didn’t have slug. And there it is. The Brewers win game two with all two out home runs. Mhm. And they win decisive game five with all two out solo home runs. It’s crazy. It’s like they heard our show and they did the opposite of what we predicted because Yeah, they were very low uh on the totem pole when it comes to slug and home runs and they today their offense came 100% from home runs. No. Yeah. Oh, I was just going to say and just really quick just we were just talking about our offense and who’s important and all that stuff like William Contrus really important to the Brewers lineup. Guess what he did tonight? He went yard. Andrew Vaughn incred incredibly important to the historic surge that they had in the second half. Guess what he did? He went yard tonight. So, you know, sometimes like the big boys have to show up in the big moments. I know that’s a little cliche, but that literally is what happened tonight. And the Chicago Cubs uh did not have that happen. They won a game the way the Cubs have won some games this year. They beat us the way the We beat the Padres’s in game one, right? That’s pretty much it. That’s it. Hard to watch sometimes. hard to watch when you get beat that way because I’ll still say it. I think I I thought all season the Cubs were actually a better team, but they were player short. Like they were players short. You can’t say that they had at the trade deadline went by and you can say, “Well, they did the right thing.” They Okay, the Padres’s are out and they beat a Padre team that went all in. Yeah. But the Cubs were arm short and the Cubs were a hit or short whether whether that was Bregman in the offseason whether whatever you think about those decisions not getting another starter maybe that could have been flarity going into the season and then you’re not hurt as much by stuff and your lead’s even bigger before the Brewers go on that. So anyways um I want to go back to the the Kyle Tucker stuff. I asked in the chat what you in the chat thought about um ressigning Kyle Tucker. What would the price be if the price was right? Would you do it? Uh, Cody, this is TVMA a little bit. Some of these are pretty brutal. Uh, Jeopard says, “I wouldn’t let Kyle Tucker put on a Cubs uniform if he offered to play for free.” Best comment of the night. That was Sarah from Sarah, by the way. Cody Cody Pearson on the other hand, 100 million he’d give to Tucker. Baratti says, “No, Tucker.” Kobe Live 24, please don’t sign Tucker back. Uh, Calvin says Tucker getting injured isn’t the biggest issue. it’s his inability to recover in a timely way and not being willing to sit to do so. That’s a very fair point because I think we can all agree the first injury this season uh he handled it horribly and so did we. Like somebody somewhere somehow messed that up completely and then we didn’t lose we didn’t learn our lesson the second time around. No. And yeah, I mean I’m with you on that. I think that’s a very Kyle Tucker is a very talented baseball player. The back of his baseball card will tell you that. Um, but I think that is a great comment by Calvin because the way he handled the injury both times and our organization was horrible. Dave Dave’s comment was no chance he’s not worth 30 million. Okay. All right. Well, okay. I understand. I understand people in the chat. And look, I know everyone wants to put a number on this stuff and it’s otherworldly money. I totally understand that. And I’m not asking for someone to come up with an answer to what I’m about to say right now on the spot here tonight because we got plenty of time to think about it. But for everyone out there that no longer wants Kyle Tucker on this team, what’s the plan? What’s the plan? What do you How are you replacing him? What’s the idea here? And look, I I I don’t want to like I don’t want to like poop all over like our prospects, right? I hope that they’re young players and they come up and they do great. Like I’m rooting for Owen Casey. I’m rooting for Calvin. kind of snorted out of Emma over there at that time of night. All right, I’m not here to drop trow, all right, and drop a deuce on our young guys. All right, but here’s what I will just say, okay, is that I I’m just I I really like this team and I’m in the mode right now where I want this team to take the next step forward deeper into October. And we just I get really concerned or I get kind of hesitant sometimes when people are like just play the young kids all the time because sometimes what ends up happening Justin is like let’s say Owen Casey comes up and he’s our right fielder next year right and let’s say he’s got these great flashes and what if he has a year like PCA and match what if he’s not exactly ready but in two or three years he’s going to be ready. We just kind of keep playing the string out of like well when this guy gets good then we’ll be ready. When this guy gets good we’ll be ready. Well, then by then we’ll need a new shortstop. By then we’ll need a new left fielder. By then we’ll need a whole new rotation. So just my thing with the Kyle Tucker and even if it isn’t Kyle Tucker, I’m cool with that. Just who is it going to be? Cuz it has to be someone cuz I feel like Justin, I feel like we’re one step away, right? I feel like we’re a piece or two away from being a legitimate deep into October World Series contender. So I just I’m I I don’t know the answer to it either. Question. Yeah, go for it. Uh, the Homer in me has a proposition for you. Yeah. Okay. Would you rather assign Kyle Tucker for whatever the market value is, what you can get him for. Uhuh. Higher upside, you know, five, four pull tool player, or would you rather assign someone like Kyle Schwarber and stick him at your DH for the next four years? Now, see, like I’m open to that because you just provided a solution, right? Like you have like I know people in the chat are like, just get rid of Tucker. I never want to see him again. Um, if that if your idea or the solution to that is Kyle Tucker, Kyle Schwarber, wildly open to that, right? Absolute Cubs legend. Even if the dude doesn’t hit 56 home runs next year for us if he but but if he only hits 38, guess what? He’s the team leader in home runs, right? He solves a lot of problems in our lineup. So, I just want to be like when we try and like we want to bag on some of these players. I get it and you don’t want Kyle Tucker back, but we have to start getting solutions oriented even as Cubs fans to demand and mandate that look, we are getting close, but we got to be one step away and that one step away needs to be serious and I just don’t know if that means like starting a rotation with young players in the right field. Luke, yeah, I mean when they were playing well and it was Tucker and Bush from the left side, right-handed pitchers had to be scared of that lineup. Had to be scared of that lineup for sure. And then PCA was also in there and he was started hitting home runs and now you were like, “Whoa, right-handers, this is a tough lineup.” Yeah. But you still had Seiya from the other side, right? And Dansby. So I’m not the Schwarber thing. We’re going to get into it in the offseason. I also saw him crying in his postseason press conference with the Phillies. Yeah. I’m not so sure he’s leaving Philadelphia. Okay. He also cried leaving Chicago, though, too. You know, it’s homeless where the heart is. If if you asked me right now, would I rather have Tucker on the team for the Cubs or would I rather have Schwarber? Instantly, I would say Schwarber, but that part of that is emotional. Like I Schwarber’s one of my he might be one of my three favorite Cubs of all time. Yeah. Well, and in the game of Clutch, I don’t even think we It’s not even a conversation. I mean, Kyle Schwarber countless times on different teams in different situations has shown a propensity to hit dingers. countless dingers of the October night. He’s gonna hit more home runs than Kyle Tucker no matter what happens. Even if Tucker bounces back and has a terrific season, he’s not hitting what Schwarber will hit. Sea Suzuki had a big problem with only being a DH. He didn’t like that, right? So, you you sign someone like Schwarber. Okay. Seiya, right? Phil’s yours. Well, Tucker wasn’t as good defensively as I think we all agree that it wasn’t quite as advertised. And yeah, I mean, yeah, we’ll see how it plays out. I mean, the only thing I would say with say a Suzuki being upset he had to play DH was he played a career-high 150 games, had a careerhigh in home runs and RBI’s, and you can’t help but feel like that maybe him staying off of his feet in right field might have helped that out a little bit. He’s had problems with obliques and quads and all sorts of stuff. So, you know, I understand that maybe it didn’t make him happy, but maybe it was the kind of medicine that he needed to have in the career year that he had. Oh, man. I just I hate that we lost. I know. It’s like we go round and round. It’s like and another I know I’m trying my best to like just give like great questions and but it’s like the the the fan in me I’m really really really depressed and sad that we lost tonight. Do I think we were going to win the World Series? No, probably not. But I just I wanted just to advance to the next round, you know, and yes, we’d be major underdogs against the Dodgers, but just knowing that we beat the Padres’s in a series and then we beat the Brewers in a series, that would have been easier for me to swallow than getting bounced by the Brewers. That hurts. There are so many questions. Let’s go back to the uh Toyota super chats because there are a bunch of them still in there. Uh BPG 499. Kyle Tucker, welcome to the White Socks. I don’t know about that. I know Jim Cook’s been pushing for that. Sharper wanted to sign with the Socks. Socks said no. Keegan Parker says, “Found you guys after the game two loss and have watched the watch along since. It’s nice to watch Gabe with someone likeminded.” We appreciate that. Thank you, Keegan. Stick around for the offseason, man. Uh oh, Steven’s back with a $2 ad. Uh Brewers are thriving without counsel. A red flag. Um, you know, it’s a good point. It is, but I did council check enough boxes for you. Come back to me if they beat if they beat the Dodgers and actually get to the World Series. Well, Luke, they beat us, right? So, like council left. Yes, I know they did, but he he left two seasons ago and the Brewers have won the division both those seasons. We missed the playoffs last year and now we made it, but then his old ball club beats us. Listen, I’m I’m all for Craig Council. I am a council fan. I’m just saying with the whole super chat there, like you know, he left and they didn’t really miss a beat, right? He had some things that we questioned in the postseason. Yeah. Like we don’t need to do like a whole thing, but yeah. Did he 92 win regular season, made the playoffs, four and five playoff record now heading into what is going to be his third season now at the Chicago Cubs. this season, did Craig Councel, what kind of boxes did he check for you on the maybe the optimism side, if any? Or maybe if there’s also a box you want to see him check that you still are kind of wanting more from him. Well, I want him to beat the Brewers. That’s the first check I want. I want the division back. Empty box. No check. Yeah. I want I want the division back. That’s the first one I want back. Then I want the young players developing. Then I want all those other things. And so some of them are I I’d say young players are developing. He’s he’s been working some guys along. Um, has it been perfect? No. Has it been worth 8 million? I don’t know. I don’t know if the roster they gave him was was right either, but probably not. Probably. Is he Is he worth being the highest paid manager in baseball? Well, he didn’t put him he didn’t put him over in everything equal in a in a game five or in a fivegame series. He didn’t put him over his mentor, right? But that will be a whole offseason pos two or three. Probably his mentee, right? Wasn’t he the Yes. Sometime the big dog. Konso was the big dog, right? He was, but he played for him at Notre Dame. Yeah, he did. Right. So, it’s like it it does hurt when you’re like you go back to the day when we all get the tweet or whatever and we’re like, “The Cubs are doing what?” Yeah. The Cubs are firing David Ross. Yeah. And wait, they just they stole away Craig Council. Like, what does this mean? Does this give this I would say they’re not they they’re not even in the playoffs still with Ross managing I think and I’m going to give Craig Council a pass for last year his first year maybe not his personnel whatever this was the year I felt like council’s hands were all over this team that’s a great point 100% and they win 92 games great but they got bounced by his former team and his former bench coach that hurts all right uh we have to take another break we’re going to still give out our Roman just in time our Joey’s crystal and are stuck with me. Uh we’ll also give out our three stars of the offseason and we’ll read your chats including more Toyota super chats. But first, a word from our sponsors. New vehicles are in store at Ray Chrysler Dodge Jeep and Ram. And this is your chance to score great deal at the drive in the fall event. Head to Ray CDJR on Route 12 today to choose from their huge inventory of new Chrysler Dodge Jeep and Ram vehicles. 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CHDO $20 off. Tap ticket go. Cubs lose three to one. Big shout out to our friends at Portillos who hooked us up all off season. Yeah. Oh, let’s look at the journey. They heard about the rally cake and it is a journey. Every day I added more and more photos. These are the all said and done. I think I finished with about 25 25 pieces of cake. Oh man. You know, honestly, the but the rally case they they kept working. So, you know, props to Portillos. It could have been like a oneame fluke that is they did it for like a little publicity. They did it all postseason long for us and we we couldn’t be more thankful. Thank you, Portillos. Our next offseason show will be the three of us on a treadmill. Yes. But other than that, everything was good though. The burgers were good. The chicken sandwich was good. The beefs the beefs were elite. Beefs were key. Onion rings. Oh, the onion rings were was a surpriser. There’s a beef man sighting. Uh beef man was here. I would say that the other thing Oh, there’s your dog. Yeah, I’m I’m hanging out with him tonight when I get home for a while. The cakes cuddle sesh. The the consistency of the quality. It’s It’s like you don’t get one where you’re like, “Well, that one was a little dry or that one didn’t have enough frosting.” Never. They got it down. They got it down to a science. They’ve got it down to a science. Every beef is perfect. Every cake is perfect. Agreed. Agreed. Thank you to Portillos. Um, do we have more Toyota super chats before we get to some of this stuff? Uh, Ramone 1987 for 499. Thank you for all your wonderful 2025. My favorite Cubs podcast. Appreciate that from a friend you have never met. Blessings to you all. Raone, well, let’s meet, man. Thanks for all your support throughout the season. Raone. Uh, Ryan, are there any White Socks we can trade for? Seems to have worked for the Brewers and everyone else. Uh-huh. And, uh, Katone, 499. I love Kyle Tucker on this team. Some guys just don’t fit on certain teams. I don’t say he didn’t fit. He was hurt too much. He I mean, he fits perfectly as the right fielder. Had he been the guy we thought we were getting, he would have fit perfect in right field. Just didn’t work. Had he not been hurt, he might have. I mean, if the finger doesn’t start throwing, I I don’t know. It’s It’s a huge what if he was for through the month of June, he was Reggie Jackson. He was the straw that stirs the drink of this lineup, right? And I mean, it’s tough when in baseball you you you can’t just tie it back to one player, but again, we just go back to when Kyle Tucker was right. He was his his offense, his presence, him getting on base permeated throughout this entire lineup that allowed other players to be at their best. I’m not going to say it’s a direct correlation, but I don’t know if it’s an exact coincidence that when things went south for Kyle Tucker, things kind of went south for Sey Suzuki, things kind of went south for PCA and they had to go through their struggles and try and rebound the best they can. And I mean, man, it’s just Dustin, it’s so strange that like when we got him, when we traded for him, I mean, I don’t know about you, but I just thought he was like this just this steady Eddie, cool as a cucumber, metronome, don’t have to worry about it guy. But man, this turned into such a crazy saga this year that it almost makes me think that did so much happen that we got exposed to a point where now we just think this is the Kyle Tucker all the time when did so many things weird and out of whack happen that that perhaps are we overthinking this and maybe Kyle Tucker is that boring amazing baseball player we thought he was in the beginning? Well, he you know we traded for him and we were told he was a top 10 hitter in baseball, right? Yes. And you know the stats back that up. He was a really really good hitter. Um it was probably the worst season Kyle and the Cubs could have asked for two months. It was great, but like he got booed at Wrigley Field for not running out to first. I mean like so many things went wrong in this marriage. And and by the way, it ended with a chance for him to win the game or tie the game twice and both times were very very poor at bats. So it started great. Sure. In the middle was bad. You had a sign. Bad again. And it ended pretty horrible. I think it will end. But I will uh also say I will miss the milking of the cow. Yeah. Milking of the cow. I was also going to ask you, Luke, um you know, if you could power rank the past Taylor Swift relationships of other guys. This wasn’t Taylor and Travis, right? This was was this Taylor and the dude from the 1975? Where did this land? Because you’re right, man. It was It got like strangely dramatic and it was a roller coaster. And I think Cubs fans that are so passionate, I think they’re kind of responding to that up and down nature of being so high up on a guy. Extend Kyle Tucker. Give him a billion dollars. I’ll give him whatever he wants to. Is he hurt? Is he Is he bad? Wait, no. Maybe he’s just hurt and then he comes back. And then gets hurt again. Oh, he’s going to be ready for the playoffs. Our hero is returned. Can he do something? Well, maybe he wasn’t 100%. He clearly didn’t deliver. He did fine, but he wasn’t a a differencemaker. And that swing of emotions can be tough on a sports fan. And maybe that’s what Cubs fans are dealing with like right now where maybe something in the middle is more of who Kyle Tucker is. And that’s just it’s interesting to see how the market is going to play all that out. Yep. Uh all right. We had one more super chat come in and then I want to get to Romans just in time. Cyrus uh says, “Okay, I’m a Brewers fan but fun series. Good luck in 26.” Thank you. I can’t say good luck against the Dodgers. Thank you, but thank you Cyrus. We appreciate that. You beat us. You beat us fair and square, man. You know, one mess. We don’t like you, but you beat us fair and square. One funky stat I want to throw out you guys that, you know, oh, the Brewers don’t have a chance. The Brewers did go six and0 against the Dodgers this year, right? Cubs did pretty well against the Dodgers, didn’t they? After uh after maybe. Yeah. No, they they they played them pretty well, I think. They do against the Brewers. Yeah, the Brewers went six and0 against the Dodgers. Yeah, it was different. Different Dodger team, regular season versus postseason. But I’m going to expect the Dodgers in the World Series against Yeah. No wood no Woodri uh versus the Dodgers. Um they might be a little short, but All right, it is time for Romans just in time. Now, mind you, this is probably the hardest Romans just in time I have to give because not a lot of good things happened today. All right. Um I’m going to go with, you know, high expectations failed. uh Cubs slumping, all these things go on, but the one consistent today, the entire postseason and the entire season was Nicoer. For a Cubs team in 2025 that was up, it was down. And it was up, it was down. Nico her provided the most consistency, professional at bats, doing the right thing, moving guys over, playing hard, stealing bases, gold glove defense, screaming, rounding third as he’s about to score, passion. Uh, Nicoer was just in time for me. And I would say, we talked a little earlier about, you know, offseason. I would say extending Nico her should be high on Jed’s list because this is a guy you want young players to model their game after because he plays the game the right way. All right. I like I like that. I like like the Nicoer part of it. Um now it is time for Joey’s Christo ball. Okay. Oh god, I hated the fact that I had to think about this on the drive over if they lost. Right. I had oh the one that I had primed if they won. Oh boy, we’ll never hear. We’ll never see it. Anyways, um okay, here we go. So, the easiest way for me to think about this, and I’m just coming from this from a Cubs fan perspective, and I mean this sincerely and authentically as I can, that I do want to uh I want to thank um in many ways. I mean, I know we can kind of like bemoone all the little stuff and spend more money and stuff, but I do want to thank like Tom and Jed Hoyer and especially Jed Hoyer for putting together a really solid team this year that won 92 games. And it makes me think about, now this is an anecdote that he has kind of walked back, but a story that he’s told, this guy named David Samson. This guy named David Samson once told this anecdote about him sitting in an office with Jerry Rhinorf. And Jerry Rhinorf says, “You want to know what the key is to mediocrity?” He says, “Get just good enough where you always make your fan base feel like that you are one step away.” If you always make your fan base feel like that you are one step away, you got them right where you want them. And what I’m just pleading to and and begging Jed and Tom, the Cubs, the front office, all that stuff, is that I really do believe as a Cubs fan, we are one step away. But don’t do it the way that Jerry Rinsdorf is thinking about it or maybe some other owners are thinking about it of maybe trying to go around the fringes and maybe slightly augment. We really do have an opportunity to have another special team here on the north side. A team that not only can compete and win the division, but again go deeper in the playoffs, compete with those Dodgers and win that World Series. I’m not telling you to spend like the Dodgers. You don’t even need to. We’re already so close. All right? We just need you to get serious and push your chips in a little bit further into the off seasonason. I don’t know what that looks like. I don’t have all the answers, but as a Cubs fan right now, I am begging you. I understand that there’s labor strife coming in the next couple years. You guys know probably way more about it than I probably do. And maybe there’s stuff that coming down the pipe that I don’t even understand. But next year in 2026, the Chicago Cubs have a great opportunity to wrap their arms around not only the NL Central, but the National League and maybe win the whole damn thing for the second time in 10 years. Next year is the 10-year anniversary of the 2016 World Series. Something that wiped away 108 years of rain and tears, as Luke would say. We’re one step away, guys. Please, please, please, I’m begging you, just this one time. You can do whatever you want after that, but get us one more. We are so close. Push those chips in. And we know we’re right where we you we’re fans. You got us right where you want us with that one step away. But be serious and do it for us. Do it for Wrigleyville. And then do whatever you want. Your legacy is already cemented, but you can further it even deeper in this city that is so desperate for a winner right now. Please, please, please take us that one more step this off season. Show me the money. Hey, they have laid a good foundation. They have. The foundation is there. They’ve done a great job. I’m I’m not complaining. I don’t bemoone the way Godfather Cho or Godfather, whatever his name is, on on the chat. Thank you for jumping in. We haven’t seen him in a while. And they have they have the finances to do it. I mean, they have the resources. They have a fan base that is psycho that that shows up. They have all you need to do it. They just have to do it. And I know they care. Don’t put that carrot out there if we’re one step away and then and then fall short and don’t go all in on this group of guys. Just please don’t. We’re still going to do our playoff stars. are stuck. My final stuck with me for the 2025 regular season is this. You the viewers at CHGO stuck with us and I really appreciate like everybody that stuck with us from the beginning of the season to the end of the season. There’s plenty of turmoil in between in the middle of the season. All of the people that were still in the chat at the end that supported with the super chats. Um want to thank everybody that has been so great. Joey stepping up and coming in and doing just an awesome job. Justin coming in and stepping up and doing an awesome job. Sarah carried all of us going above and beyond all season. Emma cranking out the social all season long. Jared Willis going to the ballpark and writing. We had every sometimes it’s behind the scenes too. Kevin Wells helping out, right? Like Kevin Wells helped out a lot. Cory Freriedman, Brendan of course, Tony, all that stuff. Like really thanks to everybody for sticking with us. We’re hope that this is just the beginning for CHGO Cubs. If you ha if you haven’t found us until the very end here, we will be here all off season and we hope you’re going to tell a friend, tell a neighbor, tell a total stranger about the CHGO Cubs YouTube channel. Um, but we appreciate all the support we got, especially here in the postseason and and throughout this fun run. I had a lot of fun with these guys and with Sarah. We’re just getting started. We’re going to have a blast all winter, dude. I promise. I promise you guys. I promise. And I might need to eat a few salads in the house. The same all of us. Hey, Portoillos is a great chopped salad though. Yeah. Oh, they do. They do with spicy chicken throwing it out there. They got spicy chicken. We are going to go overtime, right? I still Yeah, I want to go overtime cuz I still want to do our Cubs. Uh, three stars for the post. Before we go overtime real quick, I want to shout out CM. If anyone wants to mail something to CHO, how do we do that? uh Cam, reach out to our socials either on Twitter, Instagram, DM us, and then we can give you those details uh privately or I can send you my Venmo or you can send the Venmo. All right, let’s go into overtime. Let’s come to that. Uh we have another Toyota super chat. How surprised were you on the 2025 Brewer Cyrus? Um I was surprised. 75%. I thought the Brewers were a third place team in this division. And I thought I thought we’d get two playoff teams out of the division. I thought the Cubs would win it and I thought the Reds would be the biggest challenge. Cubs and Reds and Brewers all made the postseason, but I first of all, I didn’t The Brewers that we saw at the beginning of the season and even at the very end of the season are more the Brewers that I expected to see. Same. If the Cubs are healthy, I think they have a really good chance of winning that series and of being the division champs. Tip of the cap. I never saw that run, historic run coming out of the Brewers. I don’t think anybody did. They played unbelievable baseball. They did. And that was the difference in the regular season. That was the difference in having homefield advantage here in game five. Um so yeah, I was I was shocked. Do we How about we just pick we co-pick do like a draft or our three stars of the postseason instead of each doing it? Because I think there’s going to be some overlap. So we do one. Who do we Who do we agree? Yeah. You want to each do one? Sure. Yeah. You pick one. Justin, you start us out. Of the postseason only. Just the postseason. Um I’m going to go We got a whole off seasonason to grade everybody. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I’m going to go with um this would have been the easiest choice in the world minus his huge error in the first game. I’m still going Nicoer. I think uh he batted well over 400 in the postseason. Like I said in my Roman Justin Tom, he was steady, you know, never too high, never too low, he was steady. He did go on to make some great defensive plays even after that miscue. Um, I heard just kind of today it came out that he gave a speech before game three to route the troops up, you know, and and tell his teammates to do whatever it takes to get the crowd back involved and that really helped for game three and four. So my my playoff star of of the postseason will be Nico. Luke, you go. I would say uh you know I was I was thinking about just how epic Matthew Boyd’s start was and I was trying to think if it was enough to overcome some struggles earlier and I I would have to say Michael Bush like Michael Bush for me is dangerous officially is officially the player that other teams are worried about like the Brewers were worried about Michael Bush they didn’t want to give up homers to Michael Bush and they give up homers to Michael Bush. This is a guy we’re not even playing on an everyday basis, which we should from now on. That has to stop next year. That has to stop next year. And so for me, Michael Bush, even though he had a really good rookie season for the Cubs a year ago, Michael Bush is the guy that had his coming out party. I thought that player was going to be PCA, but the struggles at the end deterred from that. not to Bush had a perfect season. He was just big in the postseason, too. And I think I think Major League Baseball has taken notice of the Cubs first base. Guys, I I know people were talking about 2015 and saying we were there’s so much more talent on 2015. Michael Bush has hit more home runs than Rizzo did ever did. Right. Yeah. So, Michael Bush set a record in the postseason for most home runs out of leadoff spot. Yeah. They don’t have an MVP. They don’t have early Chris Bryant on this team and that’s what they’re still looking for. Could that be PCA on a delayed start? Maybe. We’ll see. But for me, it was Michael Bush. Good pick. Um, so I’m seeing uh some great ones here in the chat. I’m seeing Tyler. I’m seeing Tommy throwing out Jameson Tyion. I think that’s a great selection. That’s a really really good one. I think he’s in my top five way. Yeah, there’s if there’s a top five, he’s definitely in there. I’m assuming by you calling him out right there, he’s not your number three. So, I just want to say really fast, give Tyion his flowers because two elimination games and he came up big in both of them, right? I mean, like 100%. So, Tyion for sure. Yeah, definitely. Jameson Tyone deserves some votes. I see Daniel Palency in there, too, as well. I got a little something I got something on Daniel Pency after I pick my guy. But, um, I’m going to go Sea Suzuki, right? I mean, look, Sey Suzuki was a uh was a mystery wrapped in a riddle for the last two months of the season. He walked into the Allstar break tied for the National League league in RBI’s. I think it was at 72. And then there came a point in the year where we were like, dang, is he going to get to 100? And the thing that frustrates me about Sea Suzuki is he’s so talented, but sometimes his at bats are so confusing and vexing. And he seems like such a good naturatured person and he seems like he really wants to do well. He seems like he loves being a Chicago Cub. And just to see him, first of all, he got hot with like four or five games left to go in the regular season, which was awesome to seeing hot. And not to go back to the regular season, but it was all fun, right? We had a great journey along this ride. Like he absolutely pounded the Cardinals that weekend. We had an amazing banging one 120 club that Friday. Had an amazing time. And then for him to take that into the playoffs, be the guy that got it going with the first home run against the Padres’s. Be the guy that actually got it going against the Pod uh the Brewers, excuse me, about hitting that three-run bomb. Yeah. and he was the guy that honestly consistently him and Michael Bush were the guys that were hitting the ball the hardest to all parts of the field. And tonight, what did he do? They get up one- nothing and thank God Sey Suzuki at least was able to be that momentum neutralizer by taking one opposite field and going yards. So, I mean, look, I I think you know, Sea Suzuki, he doesn’t need to earn his stripes as a Chicago Cub or any of that kind of stuff cuz he’s always been a really good offensive player. I just feel like in this playoffs though, I think he really showed up in a way um that makes me that makes me proud of him like as a Cubs fan. Makes me proud of him as a person. Makes me proud to root for a guy like Sea Suzuki and uh I probably put him as my third star right now. I like all those. Palencia is another good one that people mention. Yeah, the one really quick about Palencia is that we’ve been looking for a closer for forever in this town. And I get it that he didn’t close games for us in the playoffs, but when you get those young pitchers, right, like we talked about it a lot, like when’s the other shoe going to drop? Is the control going to go sideways? He’s going good right now. Does it stay like this forever? I think for Cubs fans, we should be confident and excited about the future of Daniel Pency on the Cubs. Whether it is in the ninth inning or whether he’s a dominant eighth inning setup guy if we get some sort of closer, you know, whatever trade or free, whatever it is, I think Daniel Palencia is here to stay. And I think he’s a huge weapon in our bullpen uh at least for next year. And we’ve been looking for that guy forever. It was Porter Hodgej, then it could be Al Bazeli. I think Daniel Pency is the one that really is going to I mean he showed he showed me a lot in this playoffs coming in in different situations getting himself out of tough situations. I I think he’s got a bright future with the He put out a lot of fires this postseason. He did. I was impressed. Yeah. Tommy throws out Wrigleyfield fans in the top five. That’s hard to argue against. Hard, but I love it. I haven’t heard this many people around the country when you listen to national radio talking about how crazy Wrigley Field was and what an advantage it was compared to other ballparks and they don’t get another one which Luke to your point you know oh didn’t win the division but wild card one well you win the division you have that extra game at Wrigley Field and the fans are that much of a differencemaker you know maybe just plays out differently ly, but uh we’ll never know. It’s been fun. The off season will be long with lots of twists and turns. What do you do about Shota? What do you do about Kyle Tucker? What do you do with your outfield? How do you fit new guys in? Is Keller What do you do with Keller? Some of these guys you were surprised to get and what will that story be for next year? Have they played Have they played themselves? Are you gonna have to find those players all over again? Because this bullpen started off very different. We had Ryan Presley as our closer, guys. Like Julian Merryweather, right? So, so you know who’s coming back, who’s the the the the new the gem for next year, all those things. It’s crazy how our bullpen became our strength, but our bullpen early on was horrible. It was bad. Yeah. No, I mean, credit and you know what? It’s tough because we came up short. Came up short to a division rival. So it doesn’t feel like right now the Chicago Cubs are good enough, right? That’s what it feels like right now. And as a Cubs fan, you’re like, I’m not good enough. No, you are. So stop it. You are good enough and you’re good enough to hang out with us, especially during the offseason shows. But no, you’re right. I mean, like what they were able to do with a bullpen that has been a problem for many, many years with a an old, you know, the what was the book on Jed and Theo, honestly, is they didn’t really ever care about closers. They thought that they could rotate him in and out because the the unit itself was so volatile. And some of the people were calling for Tanner Scott. Wow, we missed out. He was bad. He’s hurt now. Some were calling for Mason Miller. Yeah. I mean, but Right. But but I’m see like my point is is that it’s like the bullpens are a crapshoot. You just never know. There’s no guarantees in the bullpen. Yeah. I mean, Mason Miller, yes. 73 million for Tanner Scott. Probably not. He had a horrible year and now he’s hurt not playing in the World Series. 100%. So, so credit to them for putting that together and honestly credit to Tommy Hottie and Jed Hoy uh excuse me, Craig Councel for finding these guys, figuring out what their roles were. Brad Keller did not start the year in the role that he finished in, right? That didn’t happen. Daniel Palencia wasn’t even on the team when when the year started. So, they’ve had to roll with the punches. They’ve definitely made it work. And and and one of the impressive parts was that honestly the bullpen from the start of the year all the way to the end of the year outside of the Ryan Presley situation. It was pretty damn good for a bullpen type year. Like I will take this year from the Chicago Cubs almost every time. Like I don’t think that the the blowups, the problems I they were few and far in between. You had one problem with a player that you’re going to have to eat some money on. Um but other than that, I thought it was pretty solid at the start of the season. If you would have told me win a playoff series and lose game five of the NLDS, I would have signed up for it in a heartbeat. Right. Absolutely. The Cubs are back to being relevant. Yes, that is the key to this season. Didn’t end the way we wanted it to, but the Cubs are back to being relevant in the National League. They are definitely one of the eight best teams in Major League Baseball, and that’s where they made it. So, we’ll see how it all unfolds. We’re going to be here all offseason. Hope you’re going to be here with us, too. Uh, as you have been with us all season long and uh, you know what? Next year’s almost here. Is it? That’s what they say. How many days until spring training? Wait till next year. It’s almost here, baby. How many days until opening day? Jared’s here. Jared’s here. Oh, well, let’s not end this thing. We’ll bring it on. Bring him on. Let me see a stoi. Just when you thought it was out, they reeled you back in. Jared Willis from Milwaukee. Jared, um, obviously a lot of disappointing Cubs fans in the chat. Um, I felt like the offense showed the same problems that it shown for the last two months. It was like the two games at Wrigley didn’t happen and it reverted back to not taking enough walks, swinging at balls out of the zone and they could not they could not get past the Brewer scouting report of these guys will chase high heat and I saw so much of it I don’t even know what to say about it. How disappointing uh or how disappointed were the players in the offensive output to just get one run in this game? Yeah, I mean that was this was a game that felt very familiar. Um it felt like we’d watched some version of this quite a few times over the last few months in the season. And you know, there was there was definitely some disappointment in the locker room, but you know, most of their conversations just now had a lot more to do with kind of thinking about the season as a whole and and looking ahead and some of those kinds of things. Um, and you know, we did talk to Kyle Tucker in particular because, you know, as I’m sure you guys have probably unpacked it already, his at bat there in the sixth inning with two runners on and no outs is is a pretty huge spot in the is that fifth pitch of that at bat that he fouls off and that was really that was the one to do damage on if you look at where that pitch was in the zone. That that was his moment. Um, it just didn’t happen. But, you know, he he talked just it was a little bit of kind of like tip your cap to the Brewers pitching sort of thing. Um, you know, they executed blah blah blah, all that kind of stuff. But at the end of the day, it just did feel like this was a very familiar kind of Cubs loss where not only is the the offense not getting on base, you weren’t even seeing necessarily a whole lot of quality at bats. And that to me was the big difference between the way they looked at Wrigley in, you know, the games three and four of this series versus tonight where it was just like you you got one runner to second base after say homer and that was it. Jared, we’re we’re yeah, we’re trying to make sense of that. We’ve got a lot of comments here in the chat. Um to further that something just to think about, obviously the Chicago Cubs in eight playoff games struck out 81 times. Um in five playoff games against the Brewers, they struck out 46 times. How do you make sense of that? Is that a is that an area of improvement that the Chicago Cubs need to target? Is that perhaps is that also the Padres’s and the Brewers just having high velocity arms and just kind of running into the teams that you run into that that really prioritize and emphasize that kind of pitching or is that also a little bit of both of this is the nature of the game. This is where the game is high velocity. You got to get it done in these moments and yeah whether it is high four seam whatever it is 81 strikeouts and eight playoff games just isn’t going to cut it. Exactly. And I I I think it’s definitely more this is the way that this is the the direction that the game is moving because you do just see so many more guys who can hit mid to upper 90s, even triple digits. That’s that’s becoming such less a novelty than it used to be. Um that you have to have hitters who are equipped to handle that. And and like Luke said, that velocity that’s up high in the zone because they do chase after that. But if if you’re not able to attack that successfully, then it does make it really easy for teams to game plan against you. And we see the evidence of that where they strike out as much as they do, particularly in these playoff series, these high pressure situations where a team is also able to get more looks at you than you might have during a regular season matchup. you know, this fivegame series against the Brewers just now. This is already a team that’s very familiar with you and the more looks at you they get, um, the more opportunities there were to take advantage. And to me, that’s an area that needs to be addressed for this group offensively where you’ve got to work on how do we handle that velocity? What do we do with the pitches that are coming in the top of the zone so that we can get those quality at bats again? because when they start to get traffic, that’s when, you know, that that’s that’s a huge difference between, say, the Cubs of just two nights ago and the Cubs that we just watched today. Jared, question for you. I was at game seven of the World Series back in 2016 in Cleveland, and I would say it was probably 60% Indians and 40% Cub fans. Um, we again, we don’t have the audio on watching these games. I’m sure only during the Seyas Suzuki home run you could really hear it. But how well were the Cub fans represented or was it completely a Milwaukee uh home game if you will? No, it it was there were plent there were a lot of Cubs fans here. Um particularly in that section kind of behind the Cubs dugout. It was sort of a a big patch of blue over there and as I was looking around at the crowd you could see a lot of blue shirts on. So um Cubs fans came out. they were well they represented themselves well here. The trouble was I Cubs just didn’t give them a whole lot to make noise about and so you know it kind of after a while did start to feel like oh this is just very much a Brewers home game because they were they were doing all of the things that they needed to do and giving their fan base something to cheer for. Um the Cubs just really didn’t. No, it was uh it was an improved season. No question about that. and now they need more improving in the off season. Jared, any other nuggets you want to tell us before you send us into the off season of 2025 into 2026 and the dark cold place that it is. Oh, nothing worse than the baseball off season. Um, it’s a least favorite time of year. But um no, there was we Kyle Tucker was asked about free agency and he gave the same kind of answer he’s been given all along. Um you know, if you were to ask me what his demeanor and his body language seem to communicate, um I don’t get the impression that this is a guy who’s too too keen on giving the Cubs a hometown discount or anything like that. I think he enjoyed his time here, but when the time comes, he’s he’s going to still be looking to get top dollar as much as he can. Now, you know, his his season and how that’s going to impact the contract offers that he gets, that’s a whole different subject, but I think one of the biggest takeaways from talking to a lot of the players just now is they do feel very good about what they’ve done this year and what it’s going to mean for 2026 because there’s a lot of young guys who got some really valuable experience in a season like this and that does carry over that does bode well for next year. But so much of it is going to depend on what kinds of additions they make and you know like we talked about a few minutes ago, how you adjust some of your approaches on offense. So there’s reason to be optimistic about next year, but it is going to require some activity uh from from the front office in the offse. Jared, thanks for all your work. Uh great stuff throughout the season. We’ll still be looking in the offseason for your stuff at allgo.com. safe travels back to Chicago and anytime you want to pop in here, you know, for a little sit down in the offseason. Oh, please. Will you come on? We’ve had a lot of portill lot of Portillo’s cake here. That’s all I’m going to tell you. We got a lot of cake still in the fridge. Save me some leftovers. I’ll be there. All right. Thanks, Jared. Drive safely. Thanks, guys. Uh Jared, we’ll have more stuff for you at allgo.com. Can you imagine if we have cake like here next spring training? Well, what if Jared comes in in like two weeks and he’s like, “Where’s the cake?” Like, “Well, it’s in the second fridge over there.” A piece of rally cake left for spring training. That won’t happen. That’s going to go down real whatever’s left is going to go down real fast. Uh, anyways, like we were saying before Jared came on, we still have almost four 450 people hanging with us. Thanks, guys. Thanks to everybody in the live YouTube chat. We appreciate you all season long. Make sure you don’t go away in the offseason. We’re here. Follow us on Twitter. Don’t miss the YouTube page because we have stuff cranking out there every single day. Whether it’s shorts, whether it’s videos, VODs, you name it. Anything else I missed on that, Sarah? Content wise, thank you. All the hit words. Look, before we wrap it up, I want to say like I’m obviously very new here, right? I’ve had a blast with you guys. It’s been so fun. I’m a diehard Cub fan. I feel like I’ve been training for this moment my entire life just talking to like my dad and my buddies and like it’s been fun talking Cubs with you two and our chat um and Sarah getting you know some of her feistiness going on during the game and stuff. It’s been it’s been a lot of fun and uh you know hopefully we can run it back and and have some more fun and watch this thing grow. But uh regardless I’ve had a great time with you guys and uh it’s been fun. Thanks guys. Yeah cake without you. I mean, I don’t want You brought the first salted caramel cake in. I don’t want to say that, but but yeah. It’s true. Yeah. And and your wife making desserts postseason, you know. Yeah. Guys, I mean, just uh a really uh unique opportunity and really grateful and honored. I’m sandwiched in between two Emmy winners. So, that’s pretty that’s pretty radical right now. True story. True story. True story. Don’t let the facts get in the way of a good story, Luke. Credit to you. It’s true. Um we’ve been a blast. And maybe my send off here is it looks like we’ve been bumrushed by a bunch of Brewers fans in our chat. So many Brewers fans. And look guys, look look. Here’s the deal. Okay, I don’t like your sports team. I root against you. I’m a big- time Cubs fan, right? I’m not willingly handing you out a high five. All right, custard. But but congratulations. You’re moving on. You’re taking on the Los Angeles Dodgers, okay? You’re always welcome in our wonderful city with our amazing food and our cool people and our great public trans. and come on down and hang out. Uh but other than that, like good luck. God bless. I don’t know. I’m not I’m not talking mess. They just beat us, man. It is what it is. It is what it is. And come and here’s what you do. Oh, here’s what it is. People in the comments chats right now. Do me a favor. All right. Promise me that you come back into the chat next year when we play Cubs Brewers. All right. Hang out when things are going good and when we beat your head in. come out when hang when things are going bad and if we play again in a playoff series, I want to see you guys in the chat too as well. You guys are always welcome always welcome to watch our show. But yeah, man, you guys you guys beat us. Nothing to say. See you at the supper club. Have fun trying to win a World Series. We got one of those, right? I had to get it in. I’m sorry. 62. I had to do it. I’m sorry. We had three of those. I’m sorry. We had to do it. Let’s not forget what was that 0708. We went back to back in 078. You don’t got to say 19. We went back to back in 0708. That was a good idea. Exactly. Exactly. Hopefully Caleb’s coming for you. Uh, thanks for checking out the CHGO Cubs podcast presented by our friends at Toyota and Bet 365. Thanks for a great season and now here it comes, the long off season. Live it with us. Until then, fly the W. [Music] [Applause] We all silly like the mayor.
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The Chicago Cubs’ 2025 postseason ends in heartbreak as the Milwaukee Brewers eliminate them in NLDS Game 5. Despite strong performances from Seiya Suzuki, Pete Crow-Armstrong, and Dansby Swanson, the Cubs’ offense couldn’t overcome Milwaukee’s clutch hitting. With the win, the Brewers advance to face the Los Angeles Dodgers in the NLCS. Join the CHGO Cubs crew — Luke Stuckmeyer, Joey Christopoulos, and Justin Roman — as they break down the loss, key moments, and what’s next for Chicago.
00:00 Start
01:30 Cubs eliminated
13:00 The best guys didn’t show up
19:30 Kyle Tucker
21:21 Pete Crow Armstrong & Matt Shaw & Young Guys
23:50 Dansby Swanson & cubs lack of offense in postseason
28:00 Justin Steele & cubs pitching
34:50 Do Cubs fans want Kyle Tucker?
39:30 Kyle Schwarber
41:30 Craig Counsell
53:00 Nico Hoerner
55:30 Offseason
01:00:00 Overtime
01:02:20 Michael Busch
01:04:00 Seiya Suzuki
01:09:00 Final Thoughts
01:11:00 Jared Wyllys joins live from Wrigley North
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22 comments
wait till next year lol
L
We need power hitters
Imagine if the sCrubs come back and win.
LMFAO 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
It's time to break the heart of Brewers fans.
LMFAO 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂🎉
In your face Cubs! Brewers owns you! Traitor Counsell you deserve it
Still calling it wrigley north lmfaoooo we sent your ass packing
WHO DAT SAY DEY GONE BEAT DEM BREWERS "WHO DAT, WHO DAT"
LOVE FROM NEW ORLEANS ⚜️ BYE CHICAGO 🤣
Fly the L
Don't forget.
The Brewers were
CHEATING !
By stealing signs when they had someone on second.
Wait.
Apparently they didn't have anyone on second for the 3 solo HR's.
You go ahead and
Say.
The sCrubs are a better team.
It's your dream you can DREAM anything you want.
LMFAO 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
The Brewers are a helluva team. Complete professionalism all across the organization. Look at the players that didn't really see a MLB field until they were in their late 20s – Megill, Collins, Koenig, Patrick. Plus players that were given up on by teams – Priester, VAughn. Go Brewers!!!
It was a combo of uecker magic, and being built not bought.
Well Counsell got his big payday and said this was his dream job so hopefully everyone in Chicago is just on cloud 9 right now and thrilled with the results.
L bozo
No more Wrigley in October😢
Get bent cubs fans 🍻crew all the way 🎉
3 ding dongs for the Crew😂❤
Brewers won their world series good for them. They will be bounced in the nlds or lose to Toronto or the other team that's never won anything
Brewers will be world series champs
lol brew fucking crew
Observation : Pete Crow-Armstrong is a player from an unknown planet in 'Orion's Belt'. The first of his kind, but more are sure to follow …………….. GO BREWERS!!!!