The Ducks are the most exciting team in hockey

The Ducks are the most exciting team in hockey

[Music] Heat. Heat. [Music] Heat. Heat. [Music] [Applause] It is Wednesday, October 15th in the United States and Canada. Madison Square Garden is where the New York Rangers do not score goals. And this is a show called What Chaos. Hello, my name is David Bean. I sit beside my dear friend Pete Blackburn. And closer than he used to be, but still across right over there is Shawn Depaz. This is an adjustment. We moved Sean’s desk. I moved Sean’s desk. But yes, Sean moved Sean’s desk. Sean moved honestly without asking. That’s not true. We had the conversation like days ago. We did have the conversation. There are some changes. Some changes to the studio, some changes to the presentation. Uh hopefully we all get used to it. Us and you. Yes. Winners and losers of this right now. Huge loser. I don’t make eye contact with Shawn anymore. Shawn is now looking just like to his left and I can see his eyes, but he’s not looking at me. I mean, I’ll make eye contact with you when I’m not trying to do stuff on the computer. Just like always. Why are you playing on your computer during the show? It’s kind of the job. Kind of. So, okay. Well, you do a very good job, Sean. So, uh we’ll allow it. Pete, uh hello to you. Hello to you, David. How are you? Good. Um we’ve got an interesting show today. We had an interesting pre-show today. Yeah. Can’t wait to get into that. There was some weird [ __ ] going on in this studio before the uh before the show started, but it was all for a good cause. Had to wake up the old de. That’s right. Yeah. Someone was doing a little journalism this morning. That’s right. Uh Pete, why don’t you tell the folks that’s gonna be on the show, do a little journalism yourself. Today on the show, we are going to talk about the jury being in the Alabodka case. It’s over, but not before we got a bombshell development. We’ll talk about that. Uh we are talking about a four-letter racket. Yes, folks, that’s right. ESPN up to their dirty old tricks. We’re uncovering a conspiracy theory on today’s show. You’re going to want to hear that. Uh it’s signing day. I don’t know what that’s about. Oh, I do know what that October 15th. It’s signing day. Players are eligible. That’s true. Canada players are eligible to sign with teams. Also, today is your last day to file your tax returns if you uh went for an extension this past year. I did. Yes. So, I had to do my taxes this week. Did you Oh, you you went up to you filed an extension. I do it almost every year. If you’re going I I filed extensions before, but I usually don’t take it to October, but I mean that’s what that’s what it’s for. I uh it’s my right. Yes. And I’m exercising my right to pay my taxes late. [ __ ] the government or something. As long as you pay your taxes. Yeah, that’s right. I was going to say finally. We love the Ducks. We love the Anaheim Ducks. If you couldn’t tell, I’m ducked out today. And Oh, yeah. Um, I do have a nice little update on the Ducks, what they’re up to, their giveaways, and uh whether or not one might be making its way to the studio at some point. Are they really? I think I’ve secured one of the Ducks giveaways. Oh, terrific. Because they had a great giveaway, and they have giveaways and I guess we can start the show there. Uh, they have giveaways. They allow goals and they fall behind in games and then they come back and they did it again last night against the Pittsburgh Penguins. Ducks playing I don’t want to say other bad teams because I don’t think the Ducks are a bad team, but when the Ducks play bad teams, fun things happen. You saw it on Saturday. They fell behind by multiple goals twice against the Sharks. Came back both times. Chris Crider tied it late. And then you had Leo Carlson winning it in overtime. That was a blast. We talked about it Monday. Had a game report. It was the best. That made last night’s tuck of the Ducks and Pittsburgh Penguins in Anaheim with a cool giveaway the game of the night. Must see TV. We all warmed up with Oilers Rangers. That was honestly a kind of boring game. Stew absolutely bad [ __ ] though. But the game of the night was indeed the game of the night. Yeah, it sure was. And I feel like the Ducks are my favorite brand of hockey team right now. Or they’re looking like my favorite brand of hockey team, which is like not quite a really really good team, but an entertaining fun team with good players that [ __ ] around a little bit, but deliver on the entertainment value. Like the Sabres were there for a long time where they were on the up but like not ready to be fully taken seriously. The Ducks [ __ ] around but they have a really good time and they even make the Pittsburgh Penguins interesting which is not an easy task. Had a ton of fun last night with the Ducks game. Shout out the Penguins. They jumped up two nothing. It was so obvious Ducks were going to come back. They absolutely did that. Uh Chris Krider on Sai Young watch. Sai Young watch. Oo I mean he had a primary assist last night. his only of the season. Four goals, one assist. Who is uh what’s Pavo Dorfv up to these days? I mean, as the Vegas Golden Knights did not play last night, I believe he is still at 5-0. 5-0 and Chris Crider’s four- one. Yeah, I’d say Pavorev still still in the in the leader in the clubhouse for Sai Young. But Chris Crowder putting putting together I like that race though because it’s like the young the young upandcomer with a lot of flash versus Barry Zto. I mean I think I feel like Barry Zto was not as good at his age as Chris Crryder is at his Barry Zto Barry Zto I feel like got bad in his mid30s. Yeah. But did he come back or was that just I don’t know why I’m I might be conflating. He and Scott Casmir. Casemir was like done done and then he came back and was awesome. I don’t remember. I feel like Zitto may have had like half a season with the Giants where he was pretty good. Yeah. But I I I don’t know. Chris Crider is kind of tearing it up in Anaheim and I love that for him. Yes. Especially Especially that the Rangers just can’t [ __ ] score. And now Chris Crider has four goals in two games. Fantastic. Fantastic. Uh Cutter Goautier also has arrived. I don’t know if there was any question as to whether or not what’s that? Uh Vegas did play last night. Oh, no. No points for Dorio, so he’s still gross. Could still be 5-0. Maybe uh that was one of his days of rest. Famously, Sai Young winners don’t play every day. Well, two goal night for uh Jack Eel, though. Yeah, dog. Oh, right. I Okay. Multi-point night for Mitch Mner. Yeah, they beat the Flames last night. No Doria. No Doria points though. Okay. Uh Ducks did a hell of a giveaway. It was fantastic. They did duck masks, which like their branding with the duck thing has been a little uh let’s say confusing or inconsistent over the years. like they they had it, they moved away from it because they didn’t want to be so Disneyified and now they’ve gotten it back a little meaner. And I think just putting masks on all your fans is a cool move that I don’t know if teams have done before. Not that I can remember. Like these are I mean that they’ve put uh fedoras on their entire crowd before. Oh, no. Like they they’ve done fedoras. That’s the Boston Bruins. It was very weird. Uh Buffalo Sabres fans do masks that they bring themselves that they get at the grocery store at the end of their time there, but those aren’t given to them. Yeah, I know. They pay 10 cents for this. This is one of the cooler giveaways that I can remember, and I absolutely want and will have one of those uh those duck masks. So, uh it was not like not amazing to see from the TV camera angle. Yeah. But like a very cool giveaway to to take home. Okay. Shout out the Ducks. They are You were saying we should start doing like leading Tuck teams. Yeah, it’s the Ducks right now. It’s the Ducks for sure. Yeah, the Ducks are again just pure entertainment to to go to bed to and you’re right. And tuck for us where we have our own lingo. I know that tuck is a goal, but this is not the type of show that would refer to a goal as a tuck. Not there’s anything wrong with that, but it’s just not us. We wouldn’t think to do that. I don’t know. I like the word tuck for goals. I do, too. I I like apple for assist more than I like tuck for go. I’ve always been an apple guy. No, I do not. I can’t eat them. I’m allergic. So, maybe it’s the only use I can get out of apples is to say them. I I feel more comfortable saying we’re not like we’re not an uptuck show. You know what an uptuck is? As usual, when someone says something I’m not quite sure about, I’m assuming it’s a sexual thing I don’t know anything about. Sort of. Yeah. Yeah. Sean, you know what an uptuck is? Uh, I think so, but I’m going to let you describe it and then pretend that I did. No, I want to hear you guess. No. Come on. Come on. Just when you stick it in your waistband. That’s so That’s what I assumed it was. Yeah. I don’t know if that would make it a sexual thing. No, I think it I think it’s more of um an avoiding shame type thing. Yeah. Yeah. Like anybody knows that the uptuck has any teenage boy knows that the uptuck saves you in like random moments in high school. Confusing times. Oh, I’ll tell you. I I was telling this to someone recently. I grew up in a time before the Curb Your Enthusiasm episode about pants tents. Mhm. So, like, you don’t know what it was like not knowing that that just always happened with every pair of pants for men. And being like a young a a young growing boy being like, I swear to God, like, god, this makes this is so embarrassing. And then Kirby enthusiasm was like, “Oh, isn’t it funny how pants sprinkle and then you never thought about it again.” True. Yeah. Just threw it out there. Uh, other stuff that happened last night, Brandon was busing. If you don’t know what I’m talking about, Brandon Busy. Had to shout him out. He gets, I would say, like the number one star from last night because this is a guy 27 years old, spent his whole career with the Bruins organization in the AHL, was a good AHL goalie, and people thought maybe one day he could maybe become like a backup in Boston. got sort of passed over by Michael uh or surpassed by Michael DPro, signs with the Panthers this year. They put him on waiverss. He’s on his way to play for their AHL team Charlotte and gets claimed by the Hurricanes who have to put him on his ro their roster because they claimed him. He starts last night, makes his NHL debut and only faced I think 17 shots, but I was watching that game against the Sharks in the first period. He was like really good. Hell yeah. Shout out to Brandon Busy. love it for him. Uh he made a very nice save on Jeff Skinner who drew a penalty on the play. Jeff Skinner is awesome with the Sharks. Yeah, he he that was an incredible play. He took he basically dispossessed a player walked uh who did he walk in the uh defensive I want to say it was it was a good player if he was playing against the Hurricanes. I think it was Shane Goss Bear. I think that he walked Shane Goss’s bear and then got denied on the doorstep, which I said this in our group chat like I would have done gross things if uh if he had scored that goal. Uh Rangers shut out again at home. They are the first team in NHL history to not score a goal through three games at home because the haven’t played three at home yet. What’s that? It’s just cuz the Oh, I guess they have. No, they scored at home. Yeah. No, they’re better. Pete was throwing around worst team in New York allegations and uh I will allow it. Well, the Rangers have beaten the Sabres, though, like in the limited amount of time we’ve had in this season. Uh Stu is a bad [ __ ] in that game, and that’s really the only thing I care to say about that game because as you texted during that was a boring game. So boring. Very, very boring. Uh but the Canadians were not boring. Minutes after almost killing Joey Decord by running him over, Cole Caulfield scored the gamewinner in overtime. And I feel bad because a lot of cool moments this year I feel have happened against the the Kraken, but like the Kraken are just high event games. Yeah, they I mean they they’ve won a bunch of those games, so it’s hard to feel too bad about them, but uh I fear that the Canadians are electric again this year. It’s absolutely. Did you see there was some there was some doubters, some people saying that regression watch was on. Oh, it is. It it might be. But this team has won three straight after losing their home opener or their season opener and they just tons of fun. Ian Demidov last night got sexual unbelievable goal. We have the the clip of Ivan Demidov’s goal. Demidov cutting in. What a move. Passes across a Democ. We score. Evan Demid 44 game. stud. Absolute absolute monster. I’m so excited for Demod this year. Stud. And I I mean I hope the Canadians keep this up because the Eastern Conference has been wanting a and has been needing a really exciting like this is going to be the next x amount of years team. And you know, there’ll be ups and downs throughout that, but if the Canadians can be it, hate to say it here in Boston, but I don’t hate to say it because this is such a fun team, that would rock. And watching Cole Coughfield after the game doing the on ice interview and the f like they are just so nutso over there. I don’t know if you saw introductions, but that was their home opener, I believe. Right. So Lane Hudson’s announcement was just massive because he’s given him a sweetheart of a deal. They had an incredible Ken Dryden tribute. Yes, good Ken Dryden tribute. Yeah, all good things right now in Montreal. And last thing I want to touch on from uh last evening’s games is that the Wild are I lied. I have one more thing. The Wild are PP merchants. Endearing. They’ve scored like their last nine goals I want to say have been on the power play. They are operating at a 47.6% clip through two games. They’ve had 21 power play opportunities. I’m sorry, through four games, they have had 21 power play opportunities and they have scored on 10 of them, including I thought it was funny the other day, uh, in the game against the Kings, they had like a long five on three and Carl Capriov scored and Johnny Lazarus quote tweeted it with worth every p penny. We can’t be doing that. We can’t be doing no one’s scoring. No one scoring on five on threes against respectfully the Kings and we can’t be like turning every Carril Capri off goal or highlight into worth every penny but when he’s overpaid by probably like three to4 million. Yeah, there’s it’s at some point we have to let it all go like let it let it go with Conor McDavid being underpaid, Carrill Capriov being overpaid. At some point we just have to enjoy what we’re seeing on the ice. Johnny first one’s free. Cut that out. Yeah, I remember when the Bruins signed David Bakus and I am others were like I think it was a five-year contract. I was like five years the the Blues had to change his position last year. Like he like might be done done. And he scored in his first game of the season. And I saw some people being like, “Huh, don’t hear many complaints about that contract now.” And I responded, it was somebody reputable. I forget who, but I was like, “Oh, me.” Yeah, somebody I’m not mad about game one of the contract. I’m mad about like honestly I’m mad about like game 30 potentially, but it’s more about game 200 of the contract. Somebody tweeted at me in the Bruins second game of the season, Tanner Jano had like a secondary assist and still hate that contract. And I was like, yes. Like I don’t hate Tanner Jano the player. It’s just a secondary assist in the second game of the season is not going to make me be like, oh, I was wrong. Sorry. Hands up. Uh, Wubs asks if we put Johnny back in the doghouse. Sure. Yeah, I like that. Pete said, “First one’s free, but we’ll still put him in the doghouse for it.” Right. While we’re talking about uh Twitter hockey personalities, you see that Dan Powers got in a car accident yesterday. What? What? His car got total. Oh, he said he’s completely fine. This is why I bring it up. Was he taking a victory lap when his car got hit? No, but apparently the young man who hit his car, the young man who t-boned I mean, he might have been, but the young man who t-boned his car was on his phone. Uh, yes. Uh, he was probably retweeting one of Dan’s victory. Victory last, but he uh he he posted it. He tweeted about it, said, “I’m fine.” Blah, blah, blah. Whatever. And then I responded to it. Can’t park there. Can’t park there. Hell yeah. I That’s one of the meanest memes going. But I love it. Well, it’s when you drive by somebody who’s in like a horrible accident and you’re like, “Ah, I can’t park there.” My dad would always say if there was like a car on the side of the highway, he would when we’d pass them, he would say to us, not to the car, but he’d say, “How’s the car running?” Good. But yeah, he said his car is totaled, so I guess if he is taking victory laps, it will not be uh behind the the wheel of his his own personal vehicle. Damn, that’s He said he’s okay. So, shout out DP. Yeah, I love I love DP. I just I want him I want to clarify that he does take a lot of victory laps, but I still love that guy. I I talked to Dan in for like a sentence or two at a time pretty much like every day now and have for like maybe a year. I don’t know how like and it’s not like we have like this ongoing thing where we’re just like there’s always a reason for one of us to either respond to something the other person posted or to have a question about something that the other person might know. I love that man. Yeah, he’s the sweetest person in the world and he’s always right. He doesn’t follow me on Twitter, though. Oh, wow. [ __ ] him. All right. Follows me, but he does not follow me. Interesting. I think I had that for hours a while. I think like the the pardon my take like official account, but this was back when you cared about who followed you. Like, pardon my take followed me, but nobody from the show followed me. And I was like, uh, that’s not as cool. But I’ll tell you what’s less cool. Talking about who follows you and why you care about it and how it made you feel. Pete. Uh oh. Last thing I wanted to say from last night is just like we got to shout out the uh the Stars. Stars are No, you don’t want to shout out the Stars. We can shout out the Stars. I’m I don’t think that we need to. I feel like the Stars are just picking things up where they left off. Well, no, that’s definitely not true. Where they left off was way worse than 3 and 0 to begin the season. I The gold scenario is good. 3-0 to begin the season. They beat the Jets on the road, Avalanche on the road, and the Wild at home. Wild on the second night of a backto-back, but still that’s a good team even though they score all their goals in the power play. Wild 41 shots on the Stars. The shots were 41 to 25. Their shootout win against the Avalanche, Colorado’s only lost this season. They’re 300 and one. So, respect to them as well. I mean, I think so far the story in the West are all the teams we thought were going to be awesome in the West are awesome. It would seem and a little bit more than some of the Ducks. Yeah, throw the Ducks in there. My big take away from the Stars game. If you’re barely beating the Sharks and the Penguins, you are awesome. We need Kraken respect while it’s still uh valid. I guess Joey got I can’t get past man. My man got bowled over by Cole Cfield and they were I think they on the That’s a tough broadcast they were like tough sentence. I think what getting bowled over by Cole Cfield. Yeah, he’s uh he’s a candle pin. Yeah. Uh my big takeaway from the Stars game last night was the uh the package that was put together by ESPN and Emily Kaplan uh with Jakeer talking about the goalie poll at the end of the la of end of last season just couldn’t be more clear that that team could not move forward with Pete Dbor as the coach. Absolutely could not. Everybody that they talked to like they even talked to to Connor Hobbuk who and Connor Hobbuk was like yeah that was [ __ ] up. They shouldn’t have done that. Like it was very very clear that everybody on the stars was like what an absolute bozo. You don’t pull Jakeer in that moment. I don’t know. I don’t know if I’m so mad about pulling Jakeer because the criticism of Auter is correct. The problem was they got walked in that series. They didn’t have an edge in anything. And that goes to coaching. I think partially I think of it as like if this show like failed horribly. We couldn’t get the cameras on. Audio was always wonky. We weren’t even starting exactly at noon ET every day and fired Sean and the show failed or whatever and people were like, “Hey, so what happened with that show you guys tried to do?” And Sean was just like, “Oh yeah, like DJ was [ __ ] weird.” And they were like, “Yeah, but like you never turned your computer on.” And he was like DJ’s got to be less weird, man. Like it’s it’s putting like everybody else in that room, even though they also failed, have to be like, “How the [ __ ] are we making this about one person?” And also like the blaming the goalie thing is just begging to rattle cages. Yeah. I mean, it was definitely for me it was definitely less of the poll and more of the the comments postgame that got him fired, but the segment yesterday was mo mainly about the poll and the way that they were talking about it was just like maybe it was with the added context of the comments that he made after the game. But like Matt Dumba and uh there was like a bunch of people that they interviewed and they were just like I I can’t believe that happened. What happens if they What was the score? Was it two nothing, three nothing at that point? Two nothing. Two goals on two shots. What happens if they leave Jakeer in that series? I mean, Pete D’vor probably still has a job because he doesn’t talk about him after the game, but what happens? I mean, they still lose the series, obviously. They lose that game and they lose in five games and you say they absolutely got walked. So, he just like made his problem a million times worse. He gave the team a problem and he gave himself a problem. whether maybe he wanted it as you have uh speculated because it was just like the so inexplic it was the behavior of a madman. It was George Castanza dragging the World Series trophy in the Yankee Stadium parking lot. Yeah, the game was three nothing when he got pulled and it the shots were six to2. Excuse me. What magic was worked? It was three nothing and they had two shots. The shots What did you do, Cody CC? The shots were six to2. Edmonton had six shots. Three goals on six shots. I think they must they must have scored on their first two shots then because I remember one of the clips being like two goals on two shots. Yeah, I think I Yeah, I mean I feel like people also forget the actual series of like the way in which he got pulled like them having the the timeout or whatever time went towards the goal and he called him back and pulled him on the bench. Like I feel like that was a big part of it. He didn’t just pull like there was an opportunity to pull him more ceremoniously and he kind of embarrassed him. Yeah. Yeah. Tokyo sexual says I think Dbor proved he pulled him for the wrong reason with that interview. He was pretty much gone at that point anyway. Yeah. He was like there’s a long history of Jakeer sucking against the Edmonton Oilers. Yeah. But also and if that’s true don’t start him. But so so Westside Shane says they lost in five. It wasn’t the coach. That’s like my point is they lost in five. It wasn’t the coach because of the coach. Yeah. Right. More on the coach than the goalie. So that’s that like the analogy I was using with this show which was if all of us didn’t if we were just like lying on the ground and didn’t have our mics on or whatever and we made it about like oh people didn’t like Pete’s look or something like that’s one thing among clearly multiple things that would go wrong for something to fail so catastrophically. And look, like Sean and Pete have been saying for two years like Jakeer still the play like this playoff reputation might be a little uh playing old tape on this guy and you said it going into the conference final two years ago and you were right and now at this point we’re just I don’t know I I make it more about that not no bias but like one team was clearly better than the other team. So yeah, what a debacle that was. Always fun to revisit. But Pete, we’ve got fresh uh Sabodka news. What do you have for us? What’d you find out? Well, we had a conclusion in the Al Sabbaka case, but not before we got a massive a few massive developments, I would say. What? So Al Sabatka. Uh the jury ruled 5-2 against Al Pissing Sabatka. Uh they did not piss. Yeah, it would definitely piss. All right. Pissanel. They ruled 5 to2 against Pissan. Um they decided that the Red Wings did not fire the longtime Zamboni driver because he was too old and in fact fired him because uh he pissed. And so that’s a bit of a bummer for Al. We did find out that he was asking for $6 million in this civil case. What was the number that I threw out? You were saying I think you said quarter of a million. I said quarter of a million is fair. That’s like four years of his salary. $6 million uh not going into Al’s bank account. Uh there were a number this is the I guess if you if he was making the case that he would have held this job for a long time for like 40 more years. No, but but it would have gone up. What’s 6 million divided by 81,000? It’s a long time. Yeah, it’s a very long time. But eventually that’s going to be he’s not making 81,000. Eventually he’s making I mean it took him 50 years to hit $81,000. Yeah. That’s a slow climb. Uh so maybe he felt that because that would have taken him 74 years. Maybe I don’t think that he would still be driving that. Well, I’m saying 80 81 140 years old. Okay. possibly he was so embarrassed by this whole ordeal that he was going to have to leave Detroit. Could never show his face there again. You know what’s expensive? Moving living in a place that isn’t Detroit when you used to live in Detroit. Detroit is like a pretty affordable place to live. So, he needs a relocation fee. And look, I don’t know what he paid for his house or wherever he has. It’s going to be more expensive somewhere else. I don’t know million. I don’t know if Pissan Al’s uh case was really weak or really thin or if his if his attorneys really aren’t that great at their job. Well, somebody because $6 million is way too high to start with. And also, it’s the way that the this court this case is outlined in this Detroit Free Press article. Maybe they got a bias against the uh the the prosecutors, but like they describe it as the defense team imploring to the jur jury to rule against Olympia Entertainment, maintaining that they did a long time and loyal employee wrong and never give him a second chance when it could have. Well, that’s not a they’re not required to give him a second chance. Where in the Constitution does it say that you’re required a second chance? And ultimately the uh the defense came up with a very very strong and um succinct reasoning for why they were in the right. Sean, can you hit me with this quote from the defense? He pulled his penis out to urinate. It’s that simple. That’s where I’ve been at. That’s where that’s what we’ve been hammering home for the last 3 4 days. It ultimately just comes down to you can’t pull your dick out at work. Yeah, man. And that’s kind of where I’ve always been at. Unfortunately, Al pulled his dick out at work and he urinated. Uh but the big development here that Al threw out at uh the the 11th hour was that Mike Illich uh he of the Illich family he of the Illich family and um the deceased former owner Mr. I uh Al said he did it too. Al said Mike also pissed in the Zamboni drain. I don’t know if he was suggesting that like they did it together. They were like crossing swords, crossing streams, just having a good old time. I don’t know. He just said Mike did it too. So the old you can’t fire me. The old that wasn’t my piss argument. I know it well, folks. I mean, that that is the one thing that changes it for me a little bit. It’s still like a little bit of a you know, stupid game, stupid prizes. Like if you if you just because someone else did it doesn’t mean that you shouldn’t get in trouble for it. But coward behavior on the illish on behalf of the illishes to not be like going to look both ways here or look the other way here. Oh, I I I would say it’s coward behavior. Uh it it’s very bad behavior from Al’s part. I agree. I think important detail here as outlined in this article. He was wearing a Mr. I pin on his suit in court as he threw Mr. I under the Zamboni saying he pissed too. I’m I’m back off outside. I I’ll That’s crazy. And and big point here, big point here. If we’re making the case that you can’t pull your dick out at work and piss in in the drain, the one person who can do that is the guy who owns the building. I mean, I don’t think he can do it either. I don’t think it’s his drain. If you want, if you’re in your house and you piss in the sink, you’re allowed to do it. You’re allowed to piss on your [ __ ] floor. I mean, I don’t think the I don’t think the pissing in the drain is the problem. It’s the pissing at work outside. He’s not at work. He’s at home. He owns the building. I don’t know if that’s I don’t I don’t know. The line is blurred. The line is a little bit more blurred. I don’t think it is for I don’t think it is. Zoning purposes. That is not his home. Well, I mean, we’ve heard of of owners having apartments in their arena before. You never know. Andy in the chat says, “Pulling your dick out at work is the Zamboni equivalent of a desk pop. No big deal.” Tokyo Sexville says, “It’s not snitching. He’s saying it’s a common thing.” One other guy doing it does not make it. That’s what I thought he was doing. I I He knew what he was doing, but there was also just Everyone’s pissing in the giant. Yeah, everyone’s doing it. Such as I don’t know the owner. That seems like a real That seems like a real desperation spray. Yeah, that was a Hail Mary. I mean, but at his point, he has nothing to lose, so you might as well just shoot all your shots. Are you allowed to pee in front of your employees if it’s your house? I I think that if they’re in your house, they’re your guests, and you’re allowed to do whatever you want in your house. Not whatever you want within There are there’s certain legal guidelines, but the rules are definitely looser if it’s your house. I I mean, yeah. I do love that he tried to to throw him under the under the bus. Uh the the defense had a great re retort to that allegation from Mr. Subbaka. They said quote to have Mr. Subbaka get on that stand and to say that Mr. Illich had done that. That’s what he’s come up with now. This family that he loves so much. Oh, Mr. Illich did the same thing. A man who can’t defend himself. That’s how much he loved the Illich family, dude. The defense. Oh, wait. Wait. This is dead Ilich. He’s saying did this? Yes. Oh, yeah. I missed that part. I thought this was the I he had texted. No. Holy [ __ ] That’s so insane. Yeah. No, this is uh this is I think I believe Christopher Illich’s father, the original Mr. Eye being like the pister eye, if you will. You’re I mean that’s crazy. Pissing on a man’s grave. Full pun intended. Yeah, that’s that’s wild. I’m so out on this guy. So, Mr. Sabodka has lost. He now doesn’t have a job and he has lost this uh potential windfall opportunity. What does he do now? This is where I am annoyed and I’m always annoyed by this. Who’s the Red Wings like rival? Blackhawks. Well, yeah, but you can’t I feel like you can’t have a rival in another conference based off of like a relationship that you had 15 20 years ago. It should like it should be to me kind of like the avalanche, but it’s that that’s so gone. Yeah. So, that’s and again another conference like Red Wings just haven’t been good enough recently to have a real rival. That’s a bummer because I would say if I’m the Blackhawks, I’m getting or or the Avalanche, I’m getting really messy. Not that messy. It’s just piss and hiring him. Yeah. Don’t think you can do that, huh? I don’t think you could do that. Oh, I definitely think he can. He’s not making that mistake again. He’s not pissing in another drain. I mean, I guess. Well, definitely not the best look. Actually, he might. I mean, if it’s actually his prostate issue. Yeah. I mean, that’s the other thing. Like, if he if he has an actual issue, who is the who’s the Red Wings rival now? Bobby Valentine says Steve Eiserman. Not bad in a way. Give it a few more years. I think you’ll be singing the exact same tune. Okay. Eyes are playing. I’m um we’ll keep an eye on this. I I want to say that the uh the Piss and Al case is closed for now, but there’s possibility for a next. Could there be an appeal? An appeal. Yeah, I was going to say an appeal. Yeah. Could there be an appeal? Could there be I feel like battle for him to fight. He’s not ready to let this rest. No, I feel like we are we are nearing like a public outcry like like public making an appeal to the public which I he’s kind of done to a sense but is going to go like Yeah, he’s not going to let this go easily. Fair point by Ambassador Greece. I don’t think the Blackhawks out. I was thinking that. Oh yeah, that’s true. Fair point. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, also Matthew making someone really like if it was this big of an issue, a ask ask for help, like ask for a porta potty or something. You know what you could do? Uh, one of my friends who’s a nurse did this for a bachelor party. Those like portable urinal that they have in hospitals. Also, it’s something funny stories of all time is we took a party bus to Maine for this bachelor party and there was no bathroom on the party bus. So he uh took like 20 of these urinals from work and then we stopped to get gas on the highway and there was just like 18 guys walking off a bus at a gas station on the side of the highway with jugs of their own piss just pouring them on the side of the road. So gross. These are the people who should be sued for $6 million. One more detail here is the the thing that they’re like they were desperate to get rid of this guy despite the fact that this is the cheapest Zamboni driver of all time. like they like they had to pay his replacement starting salary at the salary that Sabbaka ended at. And the idea that they were this guy they were so desperate to get rid of him because he’s old, thus costing themselves thousands of tens of thousands of dollars over the next couple of years. Damn. If you think that that’s the end of news for today’s show, there’s more. This is this is a day that is going to ruin Pablo Torres’s life. He’s going to be so upset that there was like all of this Pete was able to dig this all up. Well, but did anybody check out Pablo with Mark Cuban? I watched like a six minutee long Instagram reaction. I watched like the first 10 minutes and I’m like Pablo’s so [ __ ] good, man. I watched Mark Cuban kind of like press Pablo a little bit. They were pressing each other. Pablo stood on business though. They were Yeah, they definitely they both stood on business and I’m not smart enough to understand who was right, but like they both had their camp and they both defended their camp and I respect them both for that. I will say it’s an incredible achievement by any show, any account to be able to lock me in for a six minutee long Instagram reel on something I don’t understand. Oh, I mean I I don’t know what you guys think of Mark Cuban. I don’t think about him too much, but like he’s a smart guy. I love Mark Cuban. like he’s like, yeah, he’s a billionaire who’s probably going to defend his billionaire buddies, but like if Mark Cuban wanted to have a debate with me, I’d be like, damn, I should probably be prepared for this. And it was great. I haven’t seen the whole thing, but like Pab Pablo’s just doing the coolest thing in the world right now, which is being a good journalist in a way that people want to actually consume. like he’s tricked people through the idea of like through like the YouTube unboxing style of having the average person care about journalism. So, bravo to Pablo Tori. But we are going to smoke you in a few minutes when we uncover something big happening in sports. But first, I’m going to tell you about how I can go to Detroit Red Wings games. And that is by SeatGeek. Because we’ve been to Red Wings games, we’ve been to Chargers games. You’ve been everywhere, NHL, NFL, MLB, whatever. SeatGeek is what we use. It’s how you can find the best deal. With over 35 million downloads, SegeGeek is the number one rated ticketing app. There are more than 70,000 events listed on SeatGeek, including concerts, sports, festivals, and more. Not only do we use it for NHL, as I said, we were just in LA. 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This is about ESPN Plus and it’s something that we discussed last night and I’m going to bring it to the show. I wanted to make sure that I had enough evidence and that though this is something at this point I feel we can only say I believe I think I will present enough evidence that you will feel we’ve borderline got a smoking gun here. Okay, here goes. Last night, for the second time this season, I realized when watching a live event on ESPN Plus, that the game I was watching, though I had not hit pause or rewind, was no longer live. And the first time it happened on Saturday night, I felt stupid because I was I I saw what was it? Uh uh someone scored and Noah Phelps scored and I went to tweet like Noah Phillip Calder campaign. When I went to do it, there were clips on Twitter of the goal already from like NHL.com that was like 3 minutes old and Kennedy and all these Oilers fans were already I was like how bad is my internet? And then I checked and I was minutes behind on the feed and I was like that’s weird. So, I caught up on ESPN Plus and went about the rest of my life. Last night, it happened again. I was like, “What is going on here?” So, I realized during a commercial break that ESPN Plus, now it has like the timed ad thing in the upper right hand corner where it’s playing you an ad. It’s not showing you the ad from the original broadcast. So, for example, if you’re watching a game that originally airs on Sportsnet, it goes to break and maybe you’ll see something about Boston Pizza or some things that would be aired on Sportsnet. Instead, I’m getting almost like if you’re watching Hulu where you get 2 minutes left in this ad, 3 minutes left in this ad, and it’s typically around numbers, two minutes, two and a half minutes or whatever. ESPN then returns to the game after that ad. And I believe they start you where the original broadcast rejoined. So they come back from break and they say, “Okay, we’re back here and here’s the stats for the goalie or whatever.” And they continue on. But sometimes, if not all the time, the ads that ESPN has put into the ad breaks are longer than the original broadcasts ad breaks. So, the game returns and without you knowing it, you are no longer live. Let me summarize and Sean, if you give the lower thirds here. I believe ESPN Plus is inserting ads that can be longer than the broadcasts commercial breaks. There you go. This eventually makes viewers feeds no longer live. and they don’t know that unless they manually check. Do you have any thoughts on this, either of you? So, you texted this last night and my first reaction was DJ’s being dramatic. He’s making his problem everybody else’s problem. He’s taking something that uh maybe is a skill issue, uh user issue, and applying it to the general public. And then last night, just out of curiosity, I checked to see where I was in my ESPN Plus feed in relation to a live game. This shit’s [ __ ] happening. It is absolutely happening. I mean, I I was like three minutes, like game minutes behind where I should be on the live feed. This is not only happening. I I I don’t I don’t even want to call it a conspiracy theory anymore because it’s happening and it’s absolutely inexcusable. I explained it to my girlfriend this morning. It took me like 9 hours. Uh but and that’s why I made sure I wrote out everything on the lower thirds and everything because it can be a little clunky to follow along with. She said, “This doesn’t sound like a conspiracy theory. It just sounds like” and I said, “That’s right. It’s a conspiracy. I was gonna say it’s not a conspiracy theory. It’s the uncovering of a conspiracy theory. Sean, so that’s my only thing is I am not positive there’s a conspiracy. I think I think this is just as likely a product of uh ESPN’s ineptitude as it is a distinct way. Whose razor is it? The do not attribute to malice. What could also be attributed to who is it? Is it is it Arkham’s razor? Aams razor. I mean I know that’s one of the the popular razors. That’s that that the that’s basically like just uh the simplest solution is is the most likely solution. Uh Hanland’s razor. Uh it’s an adage wrote that states never attribute to malice that which is adequately explained by stupidity. And I Pete, you know, in my deep in my beliefs, I think that people aren’t as malicious as we think they are. Sometimes they’re just dumb. So, it could be. No. When we’re talking about like multibillion dollar corporations and like I I know that like Disney’s app sucks and that that’s I what I think it all most likely boils down to. I I think that this is maybe it’s my uh cynic brain, but I think this is how do we squeeze the very last scent out of, you know, companies and advertising dollars. These these consumers aren’t these consumers aren’t going to care or maybe even notice that we’re rejoining 30 seconds late. Yeah, I I by all I totally believe that they would do that. I am just not wholly convinced that they uh it’s kind of like the NFL with refs where I’m like I think the more likely option is just that they’re bad at their jobs. But I wouldn’t I would not be surprised to find out that they were doing this purposefully. The one question I did have because I feel like a lot of times when I’m watching streams the ad uh like very unceremoniously cuts and goes back. Was that part of your experience still? Uh I there is there is like a harsh rejoin a lot. Yeah. So that’s part part of my theory that it is ineptitude and not purposeful because I feel like if it was on purpose that would be a little bit more a little bit more graceful of a transition. Okay. Uh I have now testified to my experience. Pete has testified to his. Sean, could you please play the video titled smoking.gone.dave. Okay. Right now I am watching a live sporting event on ESPN Plus. I will show you that it is live. There you see it is live. 105. The time is 1656. I will document that without touching the remote or the progress of this game. We’re about to see piss. through ads being jammed in at commercial breaks that are longer than the actual breaks. This game will no longer be live and I will be given no indication other than when I manually check myself. We are now a commercial break and we are seeing this upper right ad 135 134. These things are often 2 minutes plus. Do we know if this is lining up with what Sports Net’s doing right now? Does ESPN got it like that? Let’s find out. Add another commercial. Another two minutes. They’re going to tell us about tires. I’m tired of waiting for live sports. Let’s check in. Let’s see what happens. So, let’s check in later in the game. And let’s see. 1447 it says is left in the third period. Oh, and no, we are well behind. Look at that bull [ __ ] right there. So, we are going to It’s It’s at 1436. Okay. Okay, tough guy. I’ll play around. Let’s get live. From 14:30 to 1309. Unbelievable. A minute and 20 seconds. That is longer than my second marriage. What a save by Stu. He is just the god. I’ve blown this wide open. I’ve blown it wide open. It’s incredible. I rest my case. It’s just you. This has to be fixed. But before we before we go on, can we go back to the video? Can you show like the start of the video? Like the very start? Yeah. Yeah. Like that. That That’s fine. Okay. Right now I am watching sporting event on ESPN. Those walls are bare, brother. Yes, you’ll see to the right. Yeah, there you see it is live. Before we move on, I just wanted to address that. Okay, let let the record show that as well. I mean, regardless of who is whether it is an aptitude or purposeful, it definitely needs to be fixed. Like a minute and a half is [ __ ] ridiculous. Now, Pete, you brought up something that I thought the chat might feel, and you’ve remedied it very well, and you’ve quelled that concern in my eyes, which is that maybe it was just my experience. Maybe it was just a DJ problem, and I’m saying my experience means this is happening. You’ve you tested it for yourself. You said it happened to you. Here’s what really made me feel, okay, this is going on. And this was before I took this video. We were texting about the problem. I tweeted this. I tweeted, “On tomorrow’s What Chaos, I will blow the lid off what I believe is an absolute crime being committed by a top streaming service unless I realize before then that I’m just using it wrong.” And yes, the first response was from my friend Rob who said, “I can’t wait till 2 hours from now when you say, “My bad, I was using it wrong.” But here are the other responses from It’s Christina. Is it ESPN Plus and their new super long commercials that somehow make you end up being minutes behind live action so you can’t check social media for fear of seeing spoilers? Or am I just using it wrong? Now there’s two of us. Yeah. Not the only response to that. Jod and Moose respond, “I’m so pissed at this I can’t see straight. Every commercial break, I sit there repeatedly hitting the fastforward and live buttons. When I choose to watch a live feed that I’m paying for, they delay it. Care to weigh in on this at ESPN Plus? Now, I placed a phone call this morning. Sure did. To ESPN customer service. I’ll say this as somebody who does not like those types of phone calls. It was a very painful pre-show for me having to listen to this uh this conversation. But why don’t you like those? To your credit, you are a hero because somebody has to make that phone call and you did a great job. Well, wait. Why don’t you like the phone? Like you don’t like I just I just don’t like like confrontation. I don’t like um somebody who works in customer service having to like like not theirs. Oh yeah. Like their employer’s problems being made their problem. And I know that’s like literally their job. It’s just uncomfortable for me. To be fair, DJ was probably the nicest phone call. Very polite. Most of the time they probably are getting screamed at for stuff that is really I called and I said, “I have a problem with or I have I have questions about the ESPN Plus service right now.” And I said, “This is these are what I have questions about. This is what I’m trying to figure out. Do you think we could discuss this? And you think that you might be able to help me?” And she was like, “Yeah, absolutely. Great.” And it was I know what you’re saying. Like most of those people get calls that are like, “I need this to work now.” And like we’ve all gone through that where you’re like, “Why isn’t internet happening in my house?” or whatever. But like that’s not the purpose of this. It wasn’t to yell at this person because obviously it’s not their fault. My I more wanted to know like what do you know about this? Is this something that ESPN? Yes. Is this something that ESPN knows is happening? And there was the person. I’m not going to name them because they were so nice to me that I feel like they would honestly get in trouble for being as nice to me as they were. Uh, and we talked through a few things. Could it be that I don’t have the correct level of ESPN Plus subscription? Cuz I checked what I have. There’s no level of ESPN Plus subscription that should put you minutes behind a game brow that they’re like you’re broke but not broke enough that you can’t afford it. I said she said uh she said I don’t think it is this but which service do you have? And I said oh I did not know there were levels and I checked. I said I have select and she said okay there is select and there is unlimited. So we went through the descriptions of what each one are and uh I think I oh no I have it right here. ESPN Select, which is what I have, probably what a lot of you folks have, uh, all ESPN plus live events, plus ESPN originals, 30 for30s, and E60s in parenthesis with ads. That is $11.99 a month. For $29.99 a month, you can get ESPN unlimited, which is all ESPN networks and services, including ESPN Plus. Pete, could you read that for me? This is really doing Pablo Tori Finds Out style. With ads. with ads. They both contain ads. I checked with this lovely person on this and they said, quote, “The truth is all ESPN plans have ads. It might vary. It might be more than each other, but they all have ads.” And when I explained this specific problem to the person, they said it could maybe be a technical thing, but if other people are having this problem, it’s something that basically uh she said could be a quote new arrangement with ESPN. And I said, I believe that that’s what it is. I think it’s a new thing they’re doing because I haven’t experienced this before. But the fact that I was having it and that other people were having it made her say, “Okay, like I’m going to send this through to the team and whatever and I’m going to stay in contact with this person.” Believe you me, because this is a problem that should not be going on. And yes, Sean, I will give them the benefit of the doubt of maybe it’s maybe they somehow didn’t know that they are putting in ads that are longer than the breaks and then bringing it back right at the start. It seems like work is being done of that possibility. It seems like work is being done to make sure this goes their way and their way is they get to sell those three minute ads or those two minute ads, one extra ad. I I’m still not completely convinced that this is at least partially respon uh part due to their ineptitude. I will say I have not had the experience like that ad I haven’t seen that yet the the the specific countdown like Hulu style ads. So that’s different. The only and the only other thing I will say is it is not like I feel like in historically what they would do is if they really wanted to get those ads in they would just ruin the actual game experience. Like they wouldn’t they wouldn’t try and [ __ ] over they would just like make the the the breaks in the actual hockey game longer. So I I just am not at a point where like I am fully convinced that they are just being like double middle fingers to the viewer. Um, this strikes me as something that will eventually be rectified. Oh, but but but if it gets rectified, it’s because people make noise about it. Like I see this as something them testing how much they can get away with and how much they can kind of push the limit to maximize profit. That’s how I feel. That’s that’s where that’s might be the difference is I don’t know if it’s necessarily malice and like an intentional let’s see how far we can go. I think if anything it is more of a we don’t give a [ __ ] We don’t care about your experience. We’re going to get these ads in and you can rewind the [ __ ] thing if you want because it’s still there. Um yeah, I I think this is more a uh them banking on people not noticing like me. I would not have noticed. That’s that’s the biggest thing. I’m glad you bring that up. The the biggest thing is the that we don’t notice. Like if it told you if it flashed up in the the bottom corner, it just said like go live question mark and you had to keep hitting go live during the game, we would absolutely complain about that. But we would know what was happening. You would be like you’d be like this app sucks. I like have your complaints about the app and how it falls behind. But I I I feel like that would have been me for months. I would have been like I’m so sick of the ESPN app falling behind. But I wouldn’t have quite connected and pieced it together in my brain why it was falling behind. And then when I got there, I’m definitely confident that I wouldn’t have been motivated enough to make a phone call, put this out there. I definitely would not have done anything about it. Definitely. I would just complain and be like this. I would just quietly accept the experience becoming shittier and shittier. And I think that’s what they bank on. And unfortunately, a lot of people I think fall into my camp to be fair. Like and maybe I am maybe like this is all like maybe I’m falling victim to the specific strategy of being like we have sucked so bad in the past like we can do this and they’re just going to think it’s ESPN suck especially with the hockey broadcasts because that has been a thing over the years being like these broadcasts suck the sound sucks uh the sound’s not sunk up with the audio or or or like the video like so that’s where I think my my assumption that it was just their lack of uh or just their stupidity. Sean, you’ll need to scroll up to find this, but uh we’ve got some uh we we’ve got information or updates on the account levels that are held by other people who have experienced this. Uh it’s Christina who had initially replied to my tweet saying they had the same problem said that they have select which is the same as me. And can I ask a question about that? Wait, hold on. So, they have select, but I believe it was Eileen in there somewhere who says, “Keep going.” Oh, yes. Uh, Eileene is experiencing it as well and has unlimited. I would respect it more if they were just like, “Fuck you, you poor.” And I I said this to the customer service person. I said, “If this is simply a thing like Hulu where you got to throw money at it to make it go away, you got me.” Like I am that. I am the one for that. I will I will throw money at the problem and pay way too much to just have a normal experience. And is that wrong? Yes. But it’s late stage capitalism, baby. But I will do that. That’s not what’s happening here though because people who have the premium level unlimited are experiencing it as well. Here’s my question. Uh like I don’t know what level I have, but I do know that oftent times I don’t get a commercial feed. I get like the ESPN waiting screen where that’s the other thing that confuses me. I I’m okay with that. No, no, no. But, but what I’m saying is I get that a lot and it’s not an actual commercial that they’re running and my game still rejoins late. So, I think whether it whether you’re getting a commercial or just this like in in-game break, they’re both lasting the same amount of time. That’s kind of what I’m getting at is I just there that this product’s always been shitty. It’s been shitty for as long as hockey has been on it. So the idea that like this is just another product them being shitty and then them being like I mean just not caring or or leaning into it because it is they’re getting money from advertisers like I just am never I just ultimately whether it’s the federal government or large corporations I just don’t have that much faith in people’s intelligence or the ability to keep things secret. Neil Simmons says, “My biggest gripe with the Select unlimited plans is that they removed the multiv- view option that used to come with my regular ESPN Plus account. I still have the the multiv- view option. Do I have like Huh? What do you watch it on?” Like what device app on what device? TV. Because I have had the multiv- view thing on my Xbox app, but I’ve never had it on desktop. I mean, I I’m mainly watching on a TV or on my Roku stick. Okay. My my Amazon Fire Stick has never had as long as I’ve had it the multiv- view option, but I feel like the multiv- view thing is new to me. Like I just noticed it this year. I agree. Yes. I also didn’t experience that. I I have that with like YouTube TV, but I don’t on I’ve always had the multiv- view thing on my Xbox app. Only the Xbox app, which has made no sense to me. Oh, Neil says he’s on the Xbox app. Yeah. Okay. Uh Paulie has uh Pauliey’s razor is anything that can plausibly be explained by potential increased ad revenue is usually motivated by potential for increased ad revenue. It’s definitely media buying related. My guess I don’t think the NHL would be okay with this because it’s not their ad money. So correct. And yeah, I think that this if there is a path to this being fixed pretty quickly, it’s from the leagues that are being affected and their their fan base is being affected by the behavior and morality. I don’t know if this is an NHL thing. I don’t know if it’s just an NHL thing, but this is something that does exist in other areas. Like our show for example, we do ad reads during the show. Part of the show baked into this broadcast if you will is a couple ad reads, two, three ad reads. You can then choose if for monetization purposes on like YouTube and Spotify, right, Sean, to add no to add in like midroll ads. Like midroll ads. So, it’s not exactly the same, but like I feel like there’s precedent for something like this existing, which is we’re all right, we’re already getting you to pay for this product, but we could still jam in a couple of more ads and kind of double dip. Well, I I think that it’s because that comparison doesn’t exactly work because you’re still resuming the video on YouTube at the point in which you left. Yeah. Oh, right, right, right. Which, by the way, we’re not heroes by any means, but like a year ago, we disabled midroll ad reads because it’s bad for the user experience and we love you guys and we don’t want to do that [ __ ] So, uh, no midroll ads. But I I think the more apt comparison here, uh, is Twitch. Twitch is a really really good example of this because if you watch a Twitch streamer, they will and you’re not subscribed to this Twitch stream streamer, they will [ __ ] pepper you’ll just with intrusive ads that take you away from the stream and you’ll miss parts of the stream and then you’ll have to rewind to go back. So, they basically force you to subscribe and like if you want to be able to watch the streamer without getting absolutely hammered over the head with ads, you got to pay. Yeah. And somebody brought up another thing. Um, who was it here? Uh, Brandon, wait until this affects live sports betting. And that’s another thing like there’s there’s too much money at stake that I think would negatively be affected by a purposeful [ __ ] up of the broadcast experience for me to genuinely believe that Unless ESPN is really that [ __ ] dumb and they were just like, “No one will notice this. NHL won’t won’t notice this. Sports sports books won’t notice this. We’ll get away with this.” I just have a hard time believing that. So, again, it all comes back to them just being dumb. Yeah, this is crazy. So, uh, ESPN, you’ve been bagged, caught red-handed. Pablo Tore, you’re now second place. There is our our pal DJ is the number one investigative journalist in podcast. There is precedent for this show. These words, not mine. There is precedent for this show calling out part of the ESPN Plus viewing experience and then them promptly changing it. That’s true. Not Not saying that it was our fault. The other one was fun. The other one was way more fun making fun of their uh live games. Well, maybe they had to change it because they were no longer offering live games. Slightly delayed games. That’s why they changed it. It’s all making sense now. Yes. You’ve got that. Well, that was the that was the one that got me. It’s they need to pull in Oreos and find a new way to come up with saying what sounds like live games, but it’s not live games much in the way that Double Stuff SUFF is nothing. Games that are happening right now, they’re happening right now. There’s you’re not watching games that are happening. Your games your life. Your games roughly at the time in which they are occurring in real life. We’ve blown it open. Something needs to change though. And like really I and I don’t know what the solution is because I I’m paying to watch these games. I want to watch these games. We we watch three, four hockey games a night. That is the only avenue to legally do it. I want to do it. I want to pay for it. I want to get it and I want to have a good experience. This this is unacceptable though. And I So I don’t know where like personally as a consumer I can draw the line. I can’t say, “All right, I’m canceling ESPN Plus. I won’t do it.” So other people, can you do it because I have to watch these games for my job? Yeah, they have you by the balls and that’s unfortunate. At the very least, this uh this uncovering allows you to be aware of what’s happening so that when they rejoin a game, you can hit go live and make sure that you are where you’re supposed to be. Yes. And fair Katherine says, uh, no, not your games, your life. Because, uh, you literally can’t watch local games. That’s true. So you are not games. Yeah, your life. All right. Uh, so that’s that. We’ll that was a good conversation. A lot of good insight from everybody including the chat. So, thank you very much. Uh, is there an update? I was I just checked Twitter. I was like, for all we know, Conor McDavid has like demanded a trade in the last hour and like a million things have happened. Every coach in the league has been fired because we’re so focused on this ESPN Plus conspiracy. Uh, do we have any update on Carter Hart? Has he signed yet? I have not. Doesn’t look like it. No. Okay. Uh well, today is the first day that Carter Hart is eligible to sign with a team. It’s the first uh day that any of the the players from the Hockey Canada scandal are eligible to sign with teams. And uh our guy Merles, did you have something? No. Okay. Our guy Merles from Spit and Chicklets said that it’s expected Carter Hart will be officially a Vegas Golden Knight. If not today, sometime soon. So, I just wanted to talk about that because it’s it we’ve discussed the hockey Canada of it all, but just to race you through 27 years old, this kid cuz I I feel like we haven’t thought about Carter Hart in hockey terms in a long time and I’m like trying to retrain my brain to do it. 27 years old, second round pick of the Flyers, who was a really good prospect and uh was the starting goalie of the Flyers from a very young age. I want to say at 20. And uh he was not quite released, but as a result of the Hockey Canada scandal, he was not given the minimum qualifying offer at the end of his contract. Uh in July, he was found not guilty of sexual assault. The NHL said that he could sign with a team on October 15th, that is today, and return to play December 1st. The Knights had been linked to him really very early. There were teams that people speculated on, but teams, this was kind of crazy. We’re just like coming out and like announcing they weren’t going to sign the player. Uh, but it looks like it’s going to be Vegas. And, uh, I just wanted to kind of like catch up on what Carter Hart is as Vegas looks like they’re adding another goalie. Yeah. And an important part of this, too, is that Aiden Hill got injured last night. Aiden Hill left the last game with an injury and uh I don’t know if he’s there’s going to be an update I think before tomorrow’s game against the Bruins I believe but like the the plot thickens with the uh Aiden Hill injury. Uh but here’s Carter Hart 917 save percentage in 31 games as a 20-year-old in the 201819 season and then at a 914 save percentage in 43 games in the 201920 season. And if you remember, that was when the Flyers were like really starting to come on and kind of came out of nowhere, but it looked like like a big part of it was them calling up Carter Hart and him becoming the guy. And then there became the thing of like are they giving him the keys too early? And this happens with young goalies all the time, but especially for him, like goalies typically, I don’t want to say typically because I don’t have the exact number, but like 23, 24, 25, I think, is more when you start to see goalies break in. They’re like the new defenseman, like young defenseman where they said, you know, you got to wait a couple years to see what they actually are. That’s no longer true. A defenseman can enter this league and have an immediate impact. Yeah. Like a teenage. But now goalies are the most protected players in terms of position group. And yeah, I think that like Carter Hart for a few years was considered like the hope and um kind of like the holder of the key of the Flyers future, but it went south like during that pandemic shorten season. I do remember there being talk about like like the the one like the the 2020 2021 like after the pandemic. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Like after the pandemic when they returned to play, I remember there was a lot of talk around Carter Hart being not in a good place mentally, not being able to kind of lock in like he had pre- pandemic. And now, like in retrospect, maybe that wasn’t just pandemic related. Maybe it was because of other things going on in his life. Um, but he was never the same player as he was preandemic. And maybe part of that’s because the Flyers weren’t as good, but the jury is definitely still out on Carter Hart and who he is as a player. So, I remember that and I remember he split at the end of that season in March of 2021. He split from his longtime um I think like mental health coach or sports performance performance like type of thing who was a former coach of his when he was a kid who’d like been with him the whole way. And so I I remembered the like Carter Hart enters the league hot and he’s like the cool new thing and I remember him being kind of a cautionary tale. Like I remember the Bruins might have even like outwardly said this. They were like with Jeremy Swayman, we don’t want to do what the Flyers did with Carter Hart, which is we’ve got a good young goalie. Okay, cool. You’re our goalie. And like that’s like part of why they signed Lena Solar is they didn’t want to put too much on his plate too soon. So I remember that horrible third season. He had an 877 save percentage when he was 22, which I’m a if I’m a Flyers fan at that point, I kind of don’t know what to make of the kid at that point because he’s still he’s in his third season younger than when a lot of goalies are entering the league. And at that point, I just think I set my Carter Hart meter at all right, he was good and he’s kind of crashed out. He’s just another goal and like that’s not he’s like he he’s not hot [ __ ] His last three seasons before he left the league or before I would say the league told him to leave better than I expected. 202122 9005 save percentage. The league average that year was 9007. 2022 23 9007 which was above league average which was 9004 and in 2023 24 9006 say percentage above the league average which was 9003. So like he long story short TLDDR was really good to begin his career got really bad and then I’ll say like kind of leveled off to be like you said just like a middle of the pack goalie which is better than I remembered him being. Yeah. I mean like he I think that like when you when you’re considering that it’s still disappointing like middle of the pack goalie given the expectations that were put on Carter Hart and what he was supposed to be. So like maybe that’s why it lingers that like he’s just not good anymore is that he’s not the Carter Hart that we thought he’d be. But I mean the him going to Vegas would be intriguing especially if they lose Aiden Hill like that that part of it being able to find a a goalie and sign one for I what I assume is low cost very high very high ceiling not going to be league minimum I know that has been reported like he’s going to get something of a contract maybe I don’t know like Jack Rosik type money. And honestly, Vegas is a pretty good team for him to go to if you are like not a Vegas Golden Knights fan and you like want to root against Carter Hart. Like Vegas is the big villain team in the league, right? Like that seems like it would be kind of a nice nice meeting point where like you probably already hate Vegas. Yeah. Go ahead and hate Vegas a little bit more. Yeah. the I get what you’re saying, but like this guy has been accused of and found not guilty of like something horrible. Whereas the other villainous stuff with Vegas is like they manipulate the cap. Basketball book reference. Yes. Like very different situations. Reason and like obviously a lot of fan bases do hate Carter Hart and did not want their teams to uh sign him. I I’ll say you said that he makes sense given the um given the Aiden Hill situation. Respectfully, he just also makes sense because their other goalie is Akira Schmid. Yeah. Who last time he was like playing regularly in the NHL was 2023 24 seasons ago and he was sub 900. I don’t know if Carter Hart at 27 years old is a good NHL goalie now. He was a pretty good NHL goalie last we saw of him. But if it’s like low money, I think a team would rather have Carter Hart than Akira Schmid. And but but also like the Aiden Hill part of it just like they might need more bodies. So that’s that. It uh certainly keeps the Vegas Golden Knights very very interesting. Sean, do you have a slate for us? I do. Oh, four games. Is that what you’re telling me? You giving me Fortnite, Sean? I believe so. All right. Ottawa Senators at the Buffalo Sabres. We’ve been talking about this one since yesterday. We have big one. I mean, we we stamped the Buffalo Sabres as mustsee TV every time they hit the ice just because the stakes are so high. So, that one is a banger. Bill Cousins revenge game. Yes. Not revenge game. No. Brady Kachchuck who’s getting a second opinion know within the next 24 hours whether or not he’ll need surgery. Okay. Uh, the Detroit Red Wings will host their rivals, the Florida Panthers. Can we make that a thing on the show? Sure. Every time we talk about every Red Wings game is a rivalry game. No, we should call it a potential rival. Potential Royale. A Vladimir Terasenko revenge game. Of course, a Vladimir Terasenko revenge game. No, Vladimir Terasenko bowl. Yes, bowl for sure. Yeah, not a No, it’s it’s Vladimir Terasenko is not on either of these, right? That’s what I’m saying. It’s a bowl because he’s now on the wild for some reason. I didn’t I completely forgot that. The uh Chicago Blackhawks will take on the St. Louis Blues. Folks, that one’s going to be in St. Louis 9:30 p.m. Eastern, the United States in Canada on TNT. You can watch that. And I’ll say those first two games are at 7:00 p.m. Eastern. And then I like this tuck, Calgary Flames at Utah Mammoth, 9:30 p.m. Eastern. I guess the tide for the tuck, the realistically the Chicago one’s probably going to be a tuck because it’s not gonna actually start if it’s on TNT. Yeah, I’ll say Utah Mammoth kind of got to get going. So, I’m I’m keeping an eye on that. I’d say that these are four eminently watchable games because the Chicago Blackhawks are starting to get a little fun. Although, shout out Nick Felino who has uh taken a leave from the team to uh be with his daughter as uh she underos surgery, I believe. Yeah, follow-up surgery on her uh heart condition. So, uh shout out to the Felino family. Well, I will say uh there is no not a pun or whatever, but like if any family like can get through something that needs heart, that family. Right on. Mcfelino the absolute salt of the earth. Sean, how many goals are we getting from the Buffalo Sabres tonight? Two. Is that enough to win? Is that a win? No. Okay, very good. We I don’t We don’t have to show this. Somebody pointed out, I have not watched it. There’s a Jack Hughes Mucinx commercial that involves the Mucinx mascot thing, like a giant mucus ball. Let’s watch it. I have it. If we want to watch it, let’s watch it. Yeah. Uh, we’re doing ads. I was going to say like Lord knows we see more ads than we’re supposed to. Some opponents you see coming, cold and flu symptoms, they sneak up on you. Perfect. Just what I needed. My biggest rival follows me on and off the ice. Hey Jack, don’t forget your music next kickstart. Powerful cold and flu relief with instant cooling sensation. Let’s go [Music] [Applause] for powerful relief. Try MX Kickstart all-in-one. Brother, that was electric. Here’s what I’m here’s what I’m requesting. And I don’t want there to be an argument because there’s if someone if either of you say no to this, we’re going to have to have an argument until you let up and you let us do this. Every night until we forget to do it during the games, we need to tweet from what chaos. Jack Hughes walked this defender and it’s just him going around the Mucx guy and we could make the first frame of it like a clip of a devil’s game and it’s just always Jack Hughes going around the mucx guy. What we should do is we should do like the um you know how the t the new trend is like the Tik Toks start off with a different clip and it references something and then it cuts to like sports highlights. Yeah, as usual I don’t know that. No. What is that? It’s it’s very funny. It’s It’s like a clip from like a TV show or like a pop culture. It’ll be like 30 45 seconds into a scene and all of a sudden they’ll mention like LeBron James, not like just randomly, and it’ll just cut to LeBron James highlights and it’s a hype video all of a sudden. Oh, that’s cool. It’s [ __ ] awesome. Yeah. Like think like Family Guy when they just like shoehorn in a reference and then cut away to It’s like that. Yeah. And we should do that. I like that. I don’t love the slate, but I like it. And I will give it an A minus. I will give the Jack Hughes Mucinx commercial an A. That is a very good commercial. Very good. I was I was glad I was a little worried that it was going to not live up to it. I didn’t I don’t want to say expectations cuz I did not have any, but I was afraid it was going to fall flat. Did not let me down. I was wondering the first 5 seconds like can we do a ranking of people we would rather star in this commercial than Jack Hughes? But honestly, that was good for Jack. If that had been like uh Austin Matthews, I wouldn’t have had interest. Like if it had Austin might not be the Austin I might have had. I feel like the bad acting is endearing. That commercial like does suck and it’s like an old school style bad commercial. It’s all perfect. If it had been somebody that I thought was going to be interesting, it would not have been nearly as entertaining. I think Oh man, we should like make commercials like we we could make commercials that level for players and for teams. Like that’s like that could like for real be a Sebastian and Pierre project. Yeah. Where like Mucinx or whatever company they’re like we want to make something with um I don’t know to bring up an earlier name Shane Gstaspar be like give us three days give let us sit with Shane for a little bit get his vibe we will find something perfectly bad. Co-starring Al Sabodka as the Zamboni. Yeah. All it is is it’s the endless love scene from Happy Gilmore and Al Sabodka is the uh Zamboni driver for for Shane Goss to spare anything. It’s perfect. But as we make it like we’re the only show that would care to show those ads. That’s right. We’d be getting high on our supply. Uh great show everybody. Thanks. This was a good fun interactive one. Uh these have been really fun shows this week. We’re so glad to be back in the studio. Uh we’ve got DJ, non DJ bean voice. Uh we’ve got things coming and you’re going to be really excited about them. Some updates, some changes, but all good ones. Make sure you are subscribed everywhere. Please like this video. Like every video that you see us post. What’s that, Sean? Uh I was just there was just an injury thing, but it was older than I thought. Amiche Kula about 5 months. Damn. Oh, damn. And uh Troche got put on LTI today. Yeah. Damn. Things are good for the Rangers right now. Uh we’re going to blast out. Have we blasted it out yet? The Dylan Gunther clip. It is out. Yeah, the Dylan Gunther clip and full interview uh on YouTube. So, go check those out if you haven’t watched the Dylan Gunther interview. It’s hilarious. That guy is unbelievable. Chad saying we need a Dylan Gunther commercial bad. I would absolutely agree with that. Yes. Yes. So, uh yeah, head to YouTube, hit the uh the subscribe button. Cost you nothing. You can watch us live. And when we say live, we do mean live. You’re not going to get peppered with ads unless it’s the Jack Hughes Mucinix commercial and you’re going to be able to be able to watch live. So that’s unbelievable stuff. Unprecedented these days. So thank you for tuning in. Please amplify. Please subscribe and we will see you tomorrow.

Led by Chris Kreider, the Anaheim Ducks have been one of the most entertaining teams in the NHL early in this season. We discuss the Ducks being America’s team and more from a wild night in the NHL. Plus, Carter Hart appears to be nearing a return to the NHL with Vegas and we have even MORE developments in the Detroit Red Wings Zamboni driver situation.

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