Jeff Blashill & Blackhawks SCREWED by refs in loss to Canucks | CHGO Blackhawks POSTGAME Podcast
The Hawks lose 3-2 in the shootout to Kelly Sutherland. We’ll talk about it next on CHGO Blackhawks. [Music] [Applause] [Music] Heat. Heat. [Music] Welcome into the CHGO Blackhawks postgame podcast presented by Bet365. Download the bet365 app. Use our code cho365 when you sign up. Whatever the moment, it’s never ordinary at bet365. I’m Jay Zawoski. That’s Greg Boyison. Mario Tierbosi is back at the United Center gathering postgame audio, which I’m sure will be spicy. He’ll join us as soon as he is done with his postgame duties. Thanks for being with us. Do us a favor, hit that like button. Make sure you are subscribed to our YouTube page as well and follow, like, all that stuff on the podcast. Uh, you know, I’ve said too many times this year that I’m not a blame the refs guy, but I am blaming the refs in this game. If you go, here’s the deal, and if you missed it, the Hawks lose 3-2 in a shootout to Vancouver. They did blow a two nothing lead. We’re going to get to that, of course, because the blownoff goal by Tyler Berusi is not the only story of this game by any means. But with five minutes plus left, Tyler Bertusi scores what for my 47 years on this earth have been has been an NHL goal. That is a goal. That is a loose puck at the foot of the goalender in the crease and it is a forward swatting at said puck and it goes in the back of the net before the whistle sounds. That’s a goal. And if you want verification on whether it was a goal or not, just go through hockey Twitter, not even Blackhawks Twitter, just hockey Twitter in general. I retweeted a Leafs fan named Leafs forever that said the Blackhawks got screwed. Our buddy DJ Bean from What Chaos saying that’s an absolutely ridiculous call. Everyone who saw that play knew it was wrong. It was reviewed. They withheld the wrong call. And then because of the blown review, the Hawks get a penalty kill. Absolutely asinine. 23,000 people did not pay to go watch Kelly Sutherland and Ferman South. What a terrible name. Ferman South. Isn’t that an album by the band? Sounds like a Never mind. I’m not going to. Sounds like something you get when you don’t haul yourself off enough. It’s just it’s it’s it’s ridiculous. It is absolutely ridiculous. Then after they kill that penalty, Conor Madard pulls down 68 225. Tyler Myers obliterated him. The giraffe falls down and it’s another penalty kill for the Hawks. This was insulting. And the Hawks got robbed. Jeff Flash has every reason to be enraged as every Blackhawks player has the right to be enraged after this one. Terrible. This is why I hate replay in all sports. Yeah, it’s good in theory, but it’s ruining the freaking game. Nobody knows what offides is anymore. Nobody has a clue what goalender interference is anymore. Here’s the thing. If you call goender interference on the ice and then you review it and you say you’re upholding it, you need to say why you’re upholding it. Don’t say we’re upholding it. say, tell us why that was goalie interference. How so? Because it wasn’t. It was absolutely not. He hit the puck. The puck was under his skate. He hit the puck. Well, and the puck went in the net. And Darren Pang said it like in I think before overtime started. If Lincoln is on his knees and it’s under his knees and it’s whack-free, that’s different. He’s sitting down on the ice, it’s at the edge of his skate and Bertusi just pops it in. That’s how goals. And I think Bertusi actually went out of his way. This is not like him. He went out of his way to avoid contact with the goalie and only hit the puck. There was no, and we’ve seen this before, too, where a puck’s loose to the goalie’s foot and they shove like a snow shovel. And he wasn’t in the He wasn’t in the crease. No. You know, usually if you go in the crease on your own valition, they’re going to wave a goal off, but he wasn’t in the crease. No. there there was just that was a goal and they got they they got they took it off the board and you know what good for the Blackhawks this team killing off that penalty. Last year’s team would have would have fallen apart long before that. Yeah. Um good for them killing off the the crummy Bard holding call. Y a play that happens 53 times a game but then they wait till two minutes to go in a tie game to actually call it. Okay, whatever. Um, I mean, the Blackhawks have the most penalty minutes in the league, so they’re not going to get the benefit of the doubt, but some of that has been on awful calls. Um yeah, you know, and whatever you a game where you have a zooming out big picture and what’s more frustrating because everybody I wasn’t on your postgame show Wednesday, but I’m sure you guys talked a lot about it. Everybody’s talking about, oh, are the expectations going up after that big St. Louis one? If the expectations are going up, you should be frustrated that you lose a game on home ice. You had a two nothing lead in. 100%. A game that you had a two nothing lead against a team that played last night against the Dallas Stars and you have a two nothing lead in your own building and it comes down to a blown ref call, that game should never got to the situation where a blown ref call can cost you the game, right? So, the Blackhawks need to find a way to get another goal there. you know, the the the Canucks, credit to them. Second straight night on the road where they were down two nothing. They were down two nothing to Dallas last night after the first period and won that game. They are a gritty vet team. Um they’ve got a coach, you know, the the new coach, different systems, but their two goals were nothing pretty. Two guys musling their way to the front of the net. De Brusk doing what he does. Why he gets paid big bucks on the power play. Can’t clear him out of the net. Easy tap and goal. Second place, Sone went nice, great power move to the net, got inside position, scored a goal. Nothing fancy, nothing pretty. And the Hawks outplayed him that entire second period except for they, you know, if you look at the numbers, they they outshot him, they out chanced him, but the Canucks cashed in on their two best chances. They hit a couple posts that period, too. Yeah. Yeah. The I will say while the numbers bear out a decent second for the Hawks, they were very sloppy. They looked like the team who had played last night. The first period was great. They were absolutely dominating the first period put led to nothing. They come out for the second. I’m like, what what is this? It’s very It’s totally different from what we saw. But they still, like you said, had the advantage and shots and scoring chances and everything. It’s just what what irritates me aside from the blown lead is like this was an opportunity for the Hawks. You you have that big win over St. Louis and you have a two nothing lead and you’ve got all the momentum. This is the sort of thing though with a young team. You’re going to see it. You’re going to see these sort of things. But I said when the when the when the goal was waved off like this is the sort of team that would typically probably like over the last couple years just completely fall apart, right? It would just be complete chaos. They wouldn’t be in the game. The game would have ended in a heartbeat cuz they’d just be so disheartened. I like the fact that they fought. I like the fact that they battled back. And look, is this a playoff team? No. So if we want to look at this positively, is this the sort of thing that can rally a team? Maybe against the world for a lot of teams. It matters. And Blash is the kind of guy who will enforce that message. I know Tyler Batuzi spoke postgame. Uh how long is this Sean? Do we have time to play or should we Oh yeah. Let’s let’s fire up Tyler Batuzi. Ser uh this is uh courtesy of Mario’s phone. What was your perspective on the goal? Uh, I won’t comment. I’ll probably get fined. So, I think it was not that great of a call. What I think What’ you guys think of what you were able to do for most of this game though as far? Uh, in the first we were really good. Um, and then kind of we had a good start to the second and after that we kind of fell off. Um, I don’t know, we we lost energy. We lost uh our our connection. We weren’t uh being direct and simple and um we kind of lost the game for ourselves. How do you feel about the team performance, you know, overall, you know, after that? You feel like in the third period with the pen kill? Yeah, I mean, our kill was really great. It’s been great all year. Um, it kept us in games. Um, our power play needs to be better. Uh, we need to start scoring and give ourselves uh more of a chance. Um, but PK’s been good. Um, we got to stop being, you know, just happy with one point cuz we kind of, you know, blew that one away. That should have been a win for us tonight. Got some time with the dardovski later on in the game. Felt like you guys fared pretty well. What were your thoughts on your guys’ performance? Yeah, I thought we kind of created a little bit um you know, outer scoring chances and um you know, things are going to happen and people are going to be moved around um so early in the season that uh everyone’s going to get a chance with each other and just see who’s uh who’s going. What’ you make of Spencer Knight’s night? Yeah. No, I mean him and Shy, they have been really good for us all year. Um, it’s like our penalty code. They they’ve kept us in games and given us a chance to win and that’s all you can ask um from them and um you know we got to start scoring and uh you know be be better for them. Good restraint by Tyler Bertusi who knows that yes, if you say that call sucked, he’s going to get fined. Um but you could you could sense the frustration from him and rightfully so. It was a It was a very frustrating loss and uh they’ve got every every reason to be upset about it, but again, it’s not just because of that. Two nothing lead, other opportunities. The power play didn’t look great. Power play was awful. Really, really bad. So, and you had two power plays where you’ve taken penalties in your offensive zone, the wipe out power plays. I mean, like there there’s a lot while it’s been fun and it’s been so much improved on the ice, there’s still a lot of work to be done here. There’s still a lot of sloppiness and and it ultimately cost them tonight. Um, and we’ll I’m sure we’ll get into it, but listen, Frank Nazar, Connor Bard, the faces of this franchise, they’re all over the internet after the other night. They’re their cute little TNT interview together after the game. Score a shootout goal there, superstars. I mean, come on. If you want to be elevated to that next level, you both one of you buries one of those shootout goals. Yeah. And another breakaway for Bard earlier in the game, didn’t score on. And that that’s something we can get to. And look, you’re getting those chances. You’re creating those chances with your speed. Great. And you got to improve on that definitely for sure. Um and you want to see like when you are as you’re saying Greg hyped as this generational star the superstar Frank Nazar and I agree that both those things are true about those guys that I think are really good players and they’re going to be great on the team for a long time but you want to see them start burying those chances and just as a team up two nothing you want to see the foot on the throat mentality from them and I don’t know if I felt that in the second period. I think it felt uh sort of an idea of ah we’re we’re in pretty good control of this. We can just kind of go out and just keep doing what we’re doing. Not thinking that Vancouver was going to come out and be like wait a minute we got to get back in this game here. They’re fighting for their playoff. They’re I know it’s you know game four or five for them. Whatever it is. No, they’re in a tough they’re going to be in a playoff race. Yeah. Every like no team wants to lose two points to this Blackhawks team is because of how bad they’ve been the last couple of years, right? they they look at every every team around the league looks at the Blackhawks and says that’s two points. Um so there will be a lot of teachable moments for Jeff Blasio. Uh a lot of lessons to be learned and you know maybe this was the perfect game for this team after that win so they don’t you know they got knocked down a peg a little bit and realize hey they’re not all going to be 83 blowouts. some some teams are actually gonna have some fight in them and not give up after it’s 3-2 in the second period like the Blues did the other night. Yeah. Um so, you know, maybe it was a good, you know, game to follow up that game. We’re like, hey, we got to work every single night. Yeah. It felt like it, you know, the 83 game, you’re feeling great. You’re feeling like everything went your way and then you’re up two nothing in this one. You’re like, “Ah, it’s over. The rebuild’s over. We’re good now.” Exactly. print those print those Stanley like yeah and then April and it’s like you know sometimes especially a young team needs to be taken back to reality a little bit and maybe they’re going to get a dose of that tonight look and hopefully they’re mad and you know they are they should be and and good carry that over till Sunday but all that said as as much as the second period was disappointing and they and the blown lead was disappointing they they took the freaking lead with five minutes left They did it. The lead was taken. They fought through their struggles. They overcame their struggles. They refocused. They regrouped. And they took the damn lead and it was pulled away from them. So all these things we’re saying are true and correct. And and we’ll spend more time on them. But you can’t like no one can deny that this game was stolen from the Blackhawks or at least the opportunity to win because we don’t know. Bertusi scores, Vancouver pulls the goalie. You never know what happens, right? But to be up 3-2 with five minutes left, the way they have been playing that entire game, you feel really good about their chances. And for a universally loathed call, it’s very rare you find hockey fans on the internet agreeing on everything. The only people that don’t agree that think that was a good call are wearing Canucks sweaters in Even if you’re in Even if you’re wearing a Kucks sweater, you should be like, “Yeah, we got a lucky break there.” Yes, 100%. All right, let’s take you know it’s a bad call when people outside of Chicago feel bad for the Blackhawks. That that is very rare. No, that happens. All right, we’re going to hit the break zone for the first time. Lots of people watching. Hit that like button for us. And with the bet 365 early payout offer, you’re a winner if your team goes up by 17 points in an NFL game with an instant payout on straight bets and parlay selections marked as winners. 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I think that, and I wrote about this for Blackhawks Beat that came out this morning, which feels like six years ago. Um, but I do think you can support your players without going insane. You can be on the other side of the bench that you typically are right in the face of the referees, as Jeff Flash is in this photo, giving them an earful, telling them what you think without having a tantrum, without blowing your top, without throwing sticks on the ice and getting tossed out of the game. If you’re trying to teach young players to stay composed under, you know, duress, under stressful situations, you’ve got to demonstrate that as a coach. Now, if this keeps happening, next time Kelly Sutherland referees a Hawks game, cuz I believe he was a referee in a Montreal game. If I’m not mistaken, he was. So if it if that be then maybe maybe just maybe if you’re seeing this for the third time this season another thing like tonight then maybe it’s time to blow your top a little bit or maybe it’s the next time you see him in pregame warm-ups you call him over the bench and say listen Dick we’re fully aware we’re not having this again. Yeah. Um, I mean, again, this is why I wish the NHL, the refs would have to fully explain why they’re upholding a call or overturning a call or in a game like tonight, the media should be able to request talking to the referee after a game if they’ll choose. Get out there and explain why you made that call. That’s all. Maybe maybe there’s something in the rule book we’re all missing that he knows. Well, they used to explain it. You usually they would well the N the league sometimes will will the league will send out what is that NHL PR maybe the will send out an explanation but um you know it doesn’t do much for the the fans sitting in the arena that have no idea what’s going on and um why why you look that up um no there’s nothing usually I don’t they’re just celebrating the Canucks win on Hawk on uh NHLPR I think NBA calls it like the two-minute report where they go back and say, “Oh, yeah, we missed this call.” I don’t know if NHL does that. No, they don’t make the refs talk at all. There’s nothing on Gary Bman would never let his referees talk. He’s got to protect them. Um I don’t I usually don’t like to do this, but since I’m not here all the time, um I have to acknowledge the people who think Conor Murphy was bad tonight, watch a game. There has to be every team has to have a villain. Every team has to have the guy they hate. Conor Murphy on the ice at seven on five on five. The Blackhawks outshot the Canucks seven to one and they gave up no goals. Sounds like what you want from your watch watch the game fifth defenseman and defensive defenseman. Yeah. Like whatever. It’s weird. It’s weird. I I don’t there’s just got to be every team has to have a scapegoat and apparently Conor Murphy’s a guy this year. So I hated Michael Roosevel hated Michael Rosal. So I get it. Yeah. You hated Michael Roosevelt because in the context of that team he was their worst defense. He was old and slow and but when he broke when he broke his leg in 2015 and he wasn’t there you realized how valuable he was. Yes. There’s there is value there. Whatever. I mean, Dylan says, “Murphy isn’t good, bro. Look at the analytics.” I just read you the analytics. I just read you the analytics. Yep. Apparently, your eyes and your ears are piss poor. He was the fourthrated Blackhawk in this game. He had a 66.67 Corsy at even strength. Uh 10 shot attempts for five against uh let’s see what else we got. Shots for you mentioned seven to one. Well, I don’t know what analytics you want. scoring chances. I mean, they led in every category with him on the ice. So, there’s your analytics, but maybe he’s got the internal analytic. This morning, Jeff Blaso was or yeah, I think it was this morning something about analytics of some player weren’t good. And he was like, I I prefer to look at our internal analytics, not those external analytics. What? Well, they won’t. Yeah, they won’t share their internal analytics, which I understand. But listen, the Blackhawks didn’t lose tonight because Conor Murphy. They haven’t lost any game this year because of Conor Murphy. Uh so, it is what it is. But, um, you know, I get it to a degree where it’s like, hey, you got all these exciting young defenseman you want to play. Like, if you’re going to pull someone out of the lineup when you go back to six defenseman, it’s going to be Matt Grizzlick. It’s not It’s not going to be Conor Murphy. Everybody’s playing like Yeah, Levan’s playing. Renzelle’s playing. I All right, let’s let’s go back to I I the last thing I want to do is derail the show, but Well, we’ve got our we have our game puck nominees. You can get your votes in. Um, why don’t you start with your pick, uh, Greg? Who did I pick again? Oh, yeah. MV because that’s uh that’s a good pick any night apparently. Uh, the third line again tonight was fantastic. Uh I MV finished his night with uh five shots on goal. He had the first three for the team by himself to start the game. Definitely playing with a little bit of extra edge against a team that basically said, “We don’t want you anymore. Please take Ilia MV and a second round pick to get him off of our team.” Uh you know that that stings a little bit, but uh another great game for him. He’s just been fantastic. that line of Dickinson, Donado, MKV. Again, third straight game, they’ve been dominant. Really good. It’s not just defensive. I mean, because they’re so good defensively, they’ve been playing a ton of time in the offensive zone, setting the example for the rest of the team where good defense leads to a lots of offense. 100%. And that’s the stop the bleeding line. Yep. When things are derailing, they’re on the ice. Uh I went with Tyler Bertusi. And look, I didn’t love the signing. None of us did. Last year he matched it back at the cocky card, but there were long stretches where he just simply disappeared. Tyler Berusi has played this season like a man possessed. He’s engaged. That’s all I want. 100%. Jeff Blash is the Tyler Batusi whisperer. Yes, he is a factor in every game. And look, it’s I’ll just say this, like as a sports observer, it’s okay for new information to change your opinion. You don’t have to just dig in your heels on a guy because you didn’t like the signing initially and be like, I just have to be right despite all the evidence against it. Tyler Bertusi is a is a high what’s the word? Like a high incident player. When he’s on the ice, things happen. Does he fall down a lot? Yes, he does. Is he not the fastest skater in the world? Correct. But that dude is out there making things happen, playing like a dog on a bone in front of the net. the score the goal he scored. He jumps in the air trying to redirect it. Gets immediately ran lands, finds the rebound, stuffs it home, big celebration, tons of energy. I don’t know. Like that’s what you sign a guy like Tyra Buzzi for. And he has delivered that this year. And if he can play 82 like this, man, is he’s going to have a career here. He has been if he can play 62 like this, that’s a big from last year. But he has played his ass off all season. I’ve been very, you know, loved what I’ve seen out of him so far this year. And as you said, he was a guy last year where, you know, there were a lot of games where you were like, “Oh, yeah. I forgot he played tonight.” We haven’t seen that yet. Still early. Yeah. But, you know, I think playing uh, you know, with Nazar and Terrain and now he’s up on the top line. He got switched up there with Barakovski and Baddard. You can’t be engaged playing with those type of players and something’s wrong, right? So, uh, you know, great start for him and, uh, you know, hopefully he can keep this up. If we get this version all season, then that is money well spent. Yeah, absolutely. Uh, Mario went with Spencer Knight for his game puck. So, get your votes in. We’ll reveal the winner at the end of the show. And, uh, again, Mario’s going to join us soon. I see Jeff Flashel just wrapped up talking, so we should be hearing from Mario any minute now. 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Clearly, they looked tired in the first period and things just slipped away from from the Hawks. They they slipped out of their structure. They didn’t have great puck possession. You get into penalty trouble. Um just things that they’re were working against them, working uphill in a game that you were controlling and um definitely just kind of let slip away. And then, you know, some things uh that you don’t agree with don’t go your way. Uh, and it really feels like this was a game that was there for the taking for the Blackhawks that they just um just come up short in. Yeah. I mean, extra frustrating because despite the Greg and I have been talking about it, this is not fully on the referees, but it’s good to see them when things started slipping away from them that they were able to reather it and get back and seemingly take the lead. Last year, two years ago, as soon as that two nothing lead was blown, final score would have been 5-2, 6-2, and it would have been, you know, they would have been left out of the building. I like that they fought back, but it’s it’s extra extra painful that they had after all that taken the lead and then had it denied from them. It’s it’s just a really frustrating night, right? and you and you go into, you know, a a crunch time of a game, five minutes left, and you know, one reason you’re on a penalty kill is you you don’t get a challenge uh that goes your way, but we’ll talk about that a little bit um with how Jeff Blashel uh approached it, but also then two minutes to go and you get you get a a a stick penalty, you know, holding against Badar with two minutes to go and you kill both of them like you you’re right in there even when things are stacked against you um late in the game like you’re right in there you get those kills uh and then again like you just couldn’t piece together um enough of a solid string of possession or you know getting out of your own zone in overtime which is a challenge in and of itself late in a game only three guys out there guys get tired But still, it’s just like that extra step just wasn’t there. Um, but yeah, I mean, like you said though, like this is a game that they were right there in it even when things started unraveling. Like they didn’t completely um, you know, fall out of control and um, let things snowball. like you still come away with one point which I know that’s a moral victory but I mean it’s it’s better than zero which I think in in previous seasons a game like this might have ended in regulation um with the Hawks coming up short so it’s still progress it’s still baby steps but you you want more from this effort we were talking too like if you want to take a silver lining away from this game aside from the point aside from the you know battle back when you when you blew the lead. Maybe this is the sort of thing that can bring a team together where it’s, hey, one game we have 10 penalties, this game we get screwed penalty-wise. Uh, so it’s us against the world. We’re going to unite. We’re going to Did you sense any of that in the room after the game at all? Yeah, I mean, I I I think, you know, like we said, like like the the moral victories, like I I think this group has tasted enough of we’re better than moral victories. So, I think that they’re not necessarily falling back on those like sentiments, those silver linings. I I think this is it was definitely a disappointed feeling uh from from Murphy and and Bertusi uh talking after the game of of letting this one slip away, a winnable game. And um you know, I I think you want you want your team to feel disappointed in in results like this. You want them to feel like this is a game that they should have won and you use that to motivate them moving forward. That if you get in a situation like that, you’re able to, you know, find those ways to kind of dig in and not let it go to overtime, not let it go to the shootout and and and find a way to win. We know Jeff Bl spoke uh after the game. Uh what did he have to say about the refereeing situation? We got the audio, I believe. Yeah. Yeah. I sent in um sent in two clips. The first one uh he was asked about the no goal call from uh what should have been Tyler Bertuzi’s second goal of the game. Um what he saw on the on the challenge. So this is kind of how uh he he viewed it and um what he would do in that situation again. Yeah. You know, I was uh well, first off, I’d say I’d challenge again 10 out of 10. Um, now maybe, you know, I haven’t got an explanation yet for for why, uh, it wasn’t overturned. So maybe when I hear that, um, that’ll change my mind. Um, I think when you look through the league, if you don’t push the goalie’s pad in, it’s generally a goal, you know. So, I’m not sure, but I’m just I’ll wait to hear. I’ll have to call somebody there and just get some explanation. I never heard any reason why, so it’s hard for me to comment beyond that, but I was challenging it 100% and I challenge it again tomorrow. the fact that’s insane that it’s 20 minutes after the game and it still hasn’t been explained why that’s that’s they should skate as soon as the I’m mad again as soon as that goal is confirmed no goal they should skate to him and explain to him why that is ass when the game is over yeah they need to go into the coach’s office and say this is why we made that call the fact that it’s 20 minutes after the game and he still has no idea why they what the explanation. That’s garbage. Absolute garbage. And this is the sort I know it’s a postgame show, but that’s a that’s a league thing, but you’re trying to grow this sport. You’re trying to get eyes on the game, and you have one of the NHL’s marquee franchises, a heritage original six franchise on the rise. They just had a huge national game. There’s going to be more eyes on them tonight than there have been probably in the last three years aside from Conor Bernard’s debut game. You have a gametering decision. There’s no explanation offered to the fans in the building, to the fans watching on TV. And now 20 minutes after the game ends, you don’t tell the coach why the goal didn’t count. What are we doing? It’s I understand that Gary Bman is so concerned about protecting his precious referees. They never have to face the music. They never have to answer a question. By protecting your referees, you are screwing your fans. You are screwing your players and you are screwing your coaches. And update to Gary Bman. No one is turning on an NHL game to watch your referees referee. No one. Someone in the chat said it was Gio says, “I really, really wish I could watch an NHL game and say at the end of it, the rest officiated a good one. Feels like it’s been a while.” Yes, because every damn game there’s something that makes no sense and is not explained and is not clear. You said it to start the show, no one knows what offides is anymore. Nope. No one knows what goalender interference is. Did anyone forget Spencer Knight got his ass run over in this game where he was laying on his back. They blew the play dead. No call. Nothing. He got run over like like a like Brian Leer by Jerome Bettis. Remember that? I do remember. That was that was bad. Remember, but like there’s no nothing there. Fine. Okay. But now Tyler Buzzi takes a whack at a goalie pad and it’s interference. What are we talking about? That’s been part of the issue from day one is there’s no consistency because there’s no clear defined rule of goalie interference. It’s left to the uh you know interpretation by every different ref who has a different interpretation of the same rule. I just don’t know how you can be someone who is paid by the NHL. You have NHL on your paycheck. You have NHL on your sleeve which means you’ve probably watched hockey for a while and you look at that Tyler Buzzi plan. You go no that’s not a goal. That’s a That’s axe to grind stuff. That is I am screwing this team stuff. I’m sorry. No one in the world looked at that and said, “Oh, that’s no goal.” What? No. No one. Yeah. I don’t know. No one had that inclination. I don’t know if you can file an official complaint with the league on a referee, but the Blackhawk should have that ready to go. It’s just a big flaming bag of poop on his doorstep. Yeah. I mean, you could go that way. That that Don’t put it out with your boots, Kelly. No, I I think we’re at the we’re at the stage in the NHL season where and and I don’t I don’t know if any other team has run into this situation, this problem as much as the Blackhawks have through six games. Um, but I think we’re I think we’re running into the the time frame in which the league officials will get an email from the league office and it’ll say, “Hey guys, uh, cool it with the penalties there.” Um, I think that usually comes about two weeks into the season. So, B the the Blackhawks will probably probably benefit uh once that email is sent. But, um, actually got a uh I don’t know if they just didn’t explain it to Blash, but Connor Murphy said that he got a bit of an explanation uh from it. So, this is this is what Murphy had um regarding the the no goal call from his perspective here. Uh when the we were challenged, I thought it was going to be I I thought it was going to be counted. I like that we challenged it. Um it seemed like the refs, Kelly’s explanation to me was um that the puck was partially covered. So they looked at that as a dead puck even though the whistle still wasn’t blown. So I understand the ruling, but more I’ve just seen a lot of goals in this league, even against as a D man, you’re battling and your goalie’s got a half under equipment and a guy just gives him one poke and the puck goes in. I didn’t see their goalie’s pad go in. It was more the puck first. So, I thought it easily could have been counted the other way, too. But, um, you just don’t know. Sometimes you get call what the ref sees going one way or the other. Calling that a dead puck is insane because that puck was stuck for maybe a half a second. But see, but even that is that’s a BS explanation because the reason it wasn’t allowed is they said goalender interference. If he said, “I lost sight of the puck and blew my whistle.” That happens. It sucks when it happens, but at least it’s like, “Hey, I am instructed if I lose sight of the puck, blow the whistle.” Yeah, the puck went in before the whistle, but my intent, we’ve heard this before. My intent was to blow the whistle before the sound blew, so it’s no goal. I lost sight. My bad. I lost sight of it, but that’s what it is. That’s not what was called on the ice. The explanation he gave wasn’t They said goalender interference. literally says that wasn’t goalender interference then. Oh, I I that’s why when we get the we get these reviews, I no longer try to predict what they’re going to call because I’m never right because nobody No, there’s no consistency. No, it’s it it there’s no consist I’m I’m looking forward to hearing what a guy like Elliot Freeman, who hates goalie interference with a passion, what he has to say about this cuz he’s not in the crease. Uh he he he makes no contact with Lanin. No, not at all. How does he prevent him from making a save? There’s that’s what goalie interference is. Preventing a goalie from making a save. He doesn’t prevent him from making a save. This is the first time that Lincoln in somewhat has it like covered. You’d assume? Is that that puck’s like on that red line and I would assume that they’re saying that’s covered from his pack. Yes. again. And if again, if they say we saw it covered and we blew it dead too quickly, right? That’s on us. We just missed it. That’s not goalender interference. And that’s what they said on what the review was for. They said the goal was not allowed because of because of goalender interference. It’s just it doesn’t make And now I’m more pissed. I didn’t think that was possible. Well, I mean, I I guess my thought is like if if it was called off for goalender interference and then they wouldn’t that not be challengeable because it wasn’t they just said, didn’t they say it’s no goal? Yeah, because they challenged goalender interference and then they and then they came back and they huddled up and said it was because of goalie interference and then they were able to challenge it and then yeah they announced the Blackhawks are challenging if there was goalender interference on the play. The first when they first did it they just waved it off and didn’t say why. Then they huddled up and then they said no goal due to goalender interference and that made it a challengeable play. Yeah. Uh yeah. I I I don’t get it. It’s it’s extremely frustrating. Um yeah, I just I don’t know. I I I don’t know where you go from here. Uh because it’s not like this is a isolated incident. Goalender interference, challenging plays, what is and is not a goal. Like it’s been a problem for years. Um and there’s no there’s no solution. There’s it’s just you just live with it. You just live with the unpredictability of whose judgment you’re going off of. Even when you even when you go to a review to, you know, the you know, you go to the the the room in Toronto, it’s never consistent. It’s not uniform. It’s not by the book. It’s it’s it’s flip a coin, honestly. Well, and look, like you know, I know Greg, you said earlier in the show, you hate replay in sports, and I get it. But like you look at the NFL who will they could zoom in on every blade of grass, see if the ball was under control. Did it hit the ground, but they get it right and they explain it, and then the refs have to talk about it. It’s the NHL. And again, it’s a different game with different rules. understandable, but like the fact that it it has not been and that that Conor Murphy has a different explanation than what was explained on the ice and then Jeff Flash has no explanation at all. It’s a clown show. And these are the sort of things that as NHL fans or people who are like someone in our chat said, “I’m checking out my first Hawks game ever. That sucked.” Like, you’re trying to grow an audience here. You don’t want your You don’t want your customers to leave frustrated and feel like it was an uns look if they lose because Quinn Hughes snipes one with two minutes to go, you’re like, “Ah, damn, man. That one got away from them.” This is a really crappy way to leave as a fan when you feel like your team got robbed and everybody knows it. Everybody knows it. Yeah. reaction around the hockey world online is is pretty um pretty overwhelming in the what are we doing here camp uh with the with the call of goalender interference. So at least we got that as Hawks fans, right? Yeah. All right, we got to hit the brakes zone one more time. We are loaded up on breaks tonight. We’ll be back with more with Mario Turbasi next on CHL Blackhawks and at Ray Auto Chevy. They’ve got deals sweeter than candy this Halloween at Ray Chevrolet in Fox Lake. 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Uh and Jeff Blashel was asked um by a very handsome reporter uh about the amount of penalties that they’ve taken this year and what it’s going to take to kind of get that number down as the season goes on. Yeah, that’s a that’s a real issue, you know, like um probably learning like so what happens is, you know, sometimes like you’re trying hard and you just got to learn when you don’t have body position, you can’t reach. That’s probably our biggest issue. If you look around like the high stick penalty’s tough on Reichkes like that’s just a tough one. Obviously, a challenge is one of them, so that’s on us. Um, but the other ones, you know, it just feels like there’s been too many times this year where we don’t have body position in your reach and the minute you get around somebody one way or the other. If you do anything to them, you’re just in a bad spot. You’re giving a ref a real chance to make a call. So, um, you know, it’s it’s something we’ve addressed. We’ll have to continue to address and we got to get better at it. We I think our guys are understanding like you can’t win that way. So, now we got to put that into action. I have noticed that they do reach a little bit. They’re they are sticking her sticks out a lot and that’s going to cause some tripping penalties here and there. I I Nazar and I will say Nazar is always in like relentless pursuit of the puck, but sometimes he will let us stick it out of control uh when it happens. And you know, we’ve seen Connor sort of swatted the puck now and again, too. Yeah. And I think a lot of that has to do with getting used to playing the way Jeff Blash wants them to play. We’ve heard since day one, he wants this team to be hard on pucks, hard on pucks. So, they’re they’re doing that, but there’s a when you when you play that style, there’s a real fine line of being hard on the puck and getting a hooking penalty, getting a tripping penalty, getting a holding penalty. They haven’t figured out how to tow that line just yet. Uh they’ll get better as the season goes on in that department. I think it’s just they’re be they’re being aggressive like their coach wants them to be. They’re just being a little bit too aggressive and they’ll they’ll learn how to dial it back. Yeah, I think they’re definitely taking the the initiative in trying to hunt down the puck uh uh defensively and and be strong that way. But yeah, you’re right. It’s it’s it’s a lesson in, you know, what you can get away with, where you are in your position. It’s great that they’re that they’re going with that strategy of, you know, be aggressive and be, you know, attacking that way, but when you can’t do it all with your with with your feet and with your body position, you know, your instinct is to start just using your stick a little more liberally and and they’re getting called on that. So, I think as the season goes on, as these guys kind of figure out, you know, those little details of what you can and can’t get away with, um, and as they get a little bit better in their puck pursuit, uh, and using that body positioning and and and finding the right paths to the puck, I think we’re going to see a lot of those stick penalties start to, um, go down as as the season goes on. I will say though, looking at the penalty numbers here, while they have taken the most penalties this season, they’ve also drawn the second most with 26. Um, so they’re again they’re they’re also creating some of their uh some of their own luck in in drawing those penalties, but I mean just the the game against Montreal uh probably skews a little bit of those numbers. Yeah. Um, but I mean it’s it’s it’s going both ways for them in which they’re drawing uh penalties on the on the other end as well. Yeah, their their team speed’s going to get them quite a few power plays this year. Um, I mean, they drew they drew the fewest penalties in the league or right or was it I think they were 29th out of 32 teams in penalties drawn last season. They won’t be down there just because of that speed alone. They’re going to get a lot of those stick penalties that they’ve been guilty of. They’re going to draw just as many um as the season progresses. Yep. Hope so. Yeah. And uh looks like they’re starting to get healthy. Landon Slagert uh was activated off IR today. Uh perhaps he plays on on Sunday against Anaheim. It’s going to be interesting to see too now with Slagger back. Is he going to go 11 and seven again? I’d imagine Lucas Reichel might find himself on the bench again. Um thought it was pretty interesting that he was on the ice a lot four on four. he was when those opportunities presented, but he ended the game uh with 1042. Uh that is second lowest on the team. You want to take a guess who was lowest? Actually, third lowest. Ryan Green was second with 1015. Colton Doc only played 841. Yeah. Well, those guys don’t kill penalties. So, yeah. Colton Dock in his 841 though had four shots on goal and three hits and two takeaways. That’s making the most of your time. Um I’d say so. I mean, he’s obviously he was taken off the top line. Uh, and Bertusi was put up there. Um, you know, we’ll see if that stays that way and starts Sunday. It could have just been a one of those, you know, feeling for the game. Bratusi’s been great. Get him up on the top line. You know, Bertusi played a couple shifts. Yeah. With Green and Riel on that fourth line. You know, the four different players played with those two guys throughout the course of the night from uh my vantage point. So, um, yeah, it it’s, you know, changing the lines in the game to to for matchups is is fine. It happens. We’ll see how they start. Uh, they’re supposed to be practicing tomorrow, so we’ll see what it looks like tomorrow. Um, you know, Slagger was today at morning skate, they were running, he was on the fourth line with Ryan Green and Lucas Reichel. So if they do go with the more traditional 12 forwards and that’s your fourth line, you know, that’s a giant step up for Lucas Reichel compared to being in between Pat Maroon and Craig Smith last year. Yeah, I would say so. I mean, that’s a fast pretty defensive responsible fourth line. Like you can do some damage there. Yeah, that’s a that’s a fourth line that you actually throw out there and say you might surprise somebody with, you know, putting in a goal or something like that with the speed and skill that you have uh there. Yeah, I mean with with Slagger coming off of IR and, you know, expecting Nick Fino back at some point, um it’s going to be interesting to see how the lineup starts to shake out. Um, I think Blash really has liked the 11 and seven uh rotation, but maybe eventually we see a defenseman that’s been rotating through, whether it’s Levinov or Crevier or whoever um maybe gets cycled out and then you go back to utilizing 12 and six and uh going from there. But at least for at least for right now, he likes using all of his defenseman at his disposal and using that 11 forward setup to kind of change things on the fly and get different rotations out there. But y I would I would think they want to get slaggered in just because um I it it seemed like he had he had an NHL roster spot uh through the preseason and just with injuries and keeping him off the ice like he just hasn’t been able to play a lot. So I wonder if they do get him in for for Sunday. Yeah, we’ll see. I I mean the 11 and seven is working hard to work. They got a they’re on a threeame point streak at seven and 11. Hard to argue with the results. Yeah, I like it. It’s working. All right, before I let you go, Mario, anything uh anything else we need to know? Uh just for for Game Puck, um I just wanted to give a little explanation of uh my choice for for for Spencer Knight and a little stats behind it. Um he had a amazing game obviously uh was a big reason and why um not only did it get to overtime, but that it actually got to the shootout as well. Uh expected goals against tonight uh against Spencer, well against the Blackhawks and Spencer tonight was 3.61. He only gave up two. Goal save above expected in one game of a 1.61 rating. They don’t get anywhere uh late in the game without Spencer Knight in the way that he played tonight. Um he’s just been he’s been fantastic for them this season. Um, I think any hesitations or any, you know, up in the air worries or anything like that about him being able to handle, uh, being a starter or, you know, I don’t know, is he, you know, he got this extension. Is he actually going to be, you know, the guy moving forward? I’m not worried about him at all. He has been a rock uh, for this team. So, I’m I’m very, again, very impressed with his performance tonight. this one point coming out of this game, a lot of it is is uh thanks to Spencer Knight. Yeah, he was his rebound control remains excellent. He absorbs everything. Um a lot different than what we saw at the other end of the ice tonight. Yes. Yeah. I mean, he’s he is just so steady. He’s so calm. All right. Good call, Mario. Uh thanks for joining us. We will uh talk to you Sunday. All right. See you Sunday. All right. All right, that is Mario Tierbasi live from the United Center. Uh we are going to pay off our game puck here in a moment. We’ll let you get your last votes in. But as has become a new tradition on the show, we have to take you to the frat house on Madison. Today we’re going to feature a guy we haven’t talked about just yet. Samzel uh in this game ended up with an assist, two shots on goal, 2056 of ice time. Uh he also had five shot attempts and two block shots. Not his greatest game. I think he deserves some conversation here though. Uh there were some moments of good, there were some moments of bad. These are the things that Jeff Lashel also when he talked about playing the 11 and seven was I got a lot of young demon and if one of these young demons having a bad game, I can dial it back for them and give it to somebody else. Didn’t do that with Renzel tonight. Didn’t need to. But I want to see him on the power play a little more assertive, a little more aggressive. Um, and I think we’ve seen this with Lev a little bit too, is sometimes the simple can be elusive for those guys because you’ve got time to think and when you’ve got time to think, you start to think, stop. Just like use your instincts, move the puck, trust your talent, trust your ability. Uh, overall a solid game for Sam Renzel. He’s had better, he’s had worse, but definitely I think worth the conversation today for sure. Uh young defenseman, you know, the the the game still got to slow down a little bit for them. Yeah. And once it does, they’ll be fine. Um I know we’ve spent a lot of the night bitching about the officiating and and being frustrated with blowing a two-point a twogoal lead, but there’s still a lot of positives to take out of this. Uh first of all, threeame point streak. have not been able to say that a lot since CHO started, right? There haven’t been a lot of threeame point streaks. Um would have been nice if they had threeame win streak, but you’ll take the point. Uh 33 shots on goal tonight. 26 of those at five on five. That’s the second straight game they’ve won the five on five. They climbed the penalty, my friend. They they’ve they’ve played well at five on five. They outshot the Canucks 2615 at five on five tonight. That’s damn good for a team that we’ve talked a lot about they’re going to struggle at five on five. The last two games they’ve dominated five on five. So that that’s that’s impressive. Second straight game they’ve won the faceoff battle. They had 58% at the dot tonight. That’s huge for this team. So lots of positives to take out. And another positive didn’t happen here happened in Rockford. Oliver Moore two more goals including the overtime. both goals in a 2-1 win over Texas. This is a guy who’s got four goals in his last two games. This is a guy who said in the summer, “I need to work on finishing.” Well, whatever you did, it’s working. Maybe teach Frank and Connor a few tricks about finishing off in overtime. Just saying. All right. Uh overunder for Oliver Moore Thanksgiving. US Thanksgiving to be clear. Before or after, I guess is a way to put it. I mean, they waited till after with Nazar last year. Um, but I think a lot of that had to do with the coaching change, too. Yeah. Um, I’ll say after, but not far after. Okay. I’m going to say before. I’m going to say he’s coming up before. Give it a couple more weeks and see where he’s at. But, uh, an impressive start for him. Good for him. He’s making it tough for the Hawks to keep him down there. Yes, he is. Uh we’ll see how the next couple weeks go, you know, with injuries. Knock on wood. Um you know, but uh he’s it’s nice to have that ace up your sleeve. Yeah. When you’re when you’re ready for it. Uh we do have another super chat here. Uh Brandon Sakura saying, “Alex Vacid needs to be on the top power play. He’s the team’s best Dman. He should be playing on the power play period. Renzel needs to watch and learn from someone.” I don’t know if I agree with that. I think Renzel is I mean that in that uh I think Renzel is fine on a power play. Again, you you envision him as your power play quarterback, he’s not going to learn to be your power play quarterback by watching Alex Blastic do it. Yeah. I mean, if you had like William Carlson or Quinn Hughes on Eric, sorry, Eric Carlson or Quinn Hughes or Kale Mar on your team, okay, watch those guys. Alex Blastic is not quite your quintessential NHL power play quarterback. No. And uh but and speaking about power play quarterbacks, we need to give a shout out to uh Levchinoff who the the power play goal by Donado doesn’t happen without his keep at that blue line, right? That made a nice play to keep the puck in and got it over to Burkovsky who made the great what a amazing play by him with the patience. Couple nice and got it through traffic for the easy goal. So credit to Arty for making that play. Yep. Um there. But I, you know, I think the only way Renzel is going to get better at being a power on the power play is playing on the power play. And and as you said, you know, not disagreeing that, you know, Vic is the best defenseman, but power play quarterback’s not his what he’s here for. No. Um, he can do it in a pinch, but just let let Renzel let these guys figure out. They’ve got four straight games with a power play goal. It’s No, it’s it’s been okay. Let’s let it figure out. All right, we’re going to wrap things up. Who is the game puck winner, Sean? It was very, very tight. 318 votes, 4% going to McKay. That was my vote. And by a hair, Spencer Knight 49% to Tyler Batuzi’s 47%. It was 48 to 48 until three more votes came in giving Knight the lead. Spencer Knight was great. There’s no doubt about it. Spencer Knight’s burners account for the win. And Spencer Knight is running away with the game pucks. He’s already got four. He’s got four. Baddar’s got one. Riel has one. Uh, it might we might you my guys might have to change the rule. No more goalies in the game. I guess so. I guess so. All right. Thanks everybody for being with us. Another huge audience tonight. We really appreciate it. If you’ve not done it yet, subscribe. 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The Blackhawks got out to an early 2-0 lead after the 1st period. However, like they did yesterday in Dallas, the Vancouver Canucks fought back valiantly to tie the game. In the 3rd, Tyler Bertuzzi seemingly scored the go-ahead goal for Chicago, but it was called off due to “Goalie Interference”. The Hawks would go on to lose in the 4th round of a shootout to lose 3-2. Join the CHGO Blackhawks crew, Jay Zawaski, Mario Tirabassi, and Greg Boysen as they breakdown the game!
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40:00 Murphy addresses no goal
47:06 Blashill talk penalties
52:00 Possible lineup for Sunday
57:20 Rinzel spotlight
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10 comments
Tough loss for sure
Zawzer going off made my weekend
even the tv announcers said they couldnt see any way that could be goalie interference !
What the hell is with the refs screwing over Chicago Teams lately?!?
This was pathetic
Hawks STILL paying for that Tom Lysiak "mafia-style" hit 😏 on referee (linesman) Ron Foyt from October 30, 1983. 🫤
Terrible way to lose, but, I will say, when they lose, its usually just by one goal. They have been "in" every game and that's good to see
Agree with Greg about the superstar moments. That is what Kane ans Toews did, they capitalized on those opportunities. I have yet to see Bedard do this, at least consistently
BERT WAS ROBBED!!!!!!
The hype thing with youtube is confusing as hell. Took me 5 minutes to figure that out.
Hope you can talk to youtube to fix that. Maybe i terfwres with engagement
Love you are still mixing in Greg Boysin. Love you all. The perfect hat trick