Do The Tigers Need To Re-Sign Tarik Skubal? | The Valenti Show with Rico

Welcome in. Good to have everybody aboard. We’ve got a lot to do today and we are going to uh touch the table on the terubble conversation because we didn’t get a chance to really do it after the NFL script writers dominated the day yesterday. Um Rico, I want to present three options. I’m not telling you which one is right or wrong. I think all three could be credible. This is about the listener. I want to know which of these three pathways are what you want to happen. Not a predictive measure of what will happen. What do you want to happen? Option A, you’re not going to pay them. This organization really gets jolly over prospects and you trade them. You get a package that probably includes some MLB talent prospects which will get everybody all bricked up and uh the scubble era is done. You’ll be traded to the Mets, Dodgers, Padres’s, something of that sort. Okay? Yankees, whatever you want to say. Okay? So, it’s it’s trade him so before you lose him. Option B is you pay him. Again, this isn’t about what’s what I believe is right or wrong. I’m pay what he wants. Yeah. that you only have about 96 million committed to the payroll next year and it will go up. You have to factor in arbitration and different things, but you will be outside the top 20 in payroll for what is committed right now. And luckily or not luckily, anybody you brought in, you’re not retaining. You’re not retaining Torres. You’re not retaining Seawald. You’re not retaining Montero. You’re not you’re not retaining any of these people. you could pay him because also in 2027 they’ve only got about 30 million committed to the payroll. Again, baseball cap, there’s no cap, but the table it’s it’s murky, but work with me. They don’t have a lot committed. Like the Yankees are starting their season with 185 committed. It’s a big difference. It’s double what you have committed, right? You could pay him. You sign him for whatever he asks for. You know, you’re gonna pay for it on the back end, but you’re in your window. Windows are real. He’s a fan favorite. I think he automatically every every time he starts, people pay attention. And you’re never going to have another pitcher like him. It’s okay to just say it. You’re not going to replace him. So, this is the 10year $400 million. Yeah. You’re going to do something egregious, but you’re going to pay him. Okay. And we’re going to keep moving forward, and our best chance to win is with Ter. That’s option two. Option three, I like these, is a hybrid. Oh, the hybrid is we’re not going to pay you, but we’re going to use up all that toothpaste and we’re going to go all in this off season by way of free agency, a bold trade, and we’re going to make Scubble’s Swansong the best version of ourselves that we can before we lose him. That while we’re not going to pay him, we’re also not going to give away our best chance to win. And in fact, we learn from our mistakes. We know the deadline was booty. We’re going to improve this thing fast. And we know he’s leaving at the end of the year, but damn it, we’re going to go down swinging. You have three options. Which one? Not predictive measure. Just what I want. What do you want? It is a choose your own adventure book in every sense of the word as it pertains to TK Scubble. 248-5399797. The reason I’m bringing this up, David and I, separately, you’re seeing the school trade packages from other media, Mets media, Yankees media, different media. It’s being talked about in other cities. So I want to do the discussion one time now and then we don’t do it again until there are until something acts. See I I like this because thinking like myself. Yeah, that’s all I’m asking. If I was Scott Harris, I would choose option C. I choose option C. I’m going to go all in in free agents. I’m I’m going to do whatever I can to make next year great again. We’re going to be the best team ever. We’re going to go for broke and I’ll see what happens at the end of the season. If he wants to resign here, fine. If not, you know what? No regrets. We’re just going to go for it. We’re going to get bats. We’re going to get arms. We’re going to do everything that we can. We’re going to max out that credit card. We are. You’re going to take the money that you would have committed to Scooble and you’re going to split it amongst three players. Much like what the Yankees did when they lost Sodto. They simply took the money, got Max Freed, got Cody Bellinger, got bullpen help. That’s what you’re advocating for. Yes. Okay. So, Rico says option C. David Kenny, A, B, or C. Scooble. And I’ll throw the number out. 2485399797. And again, I’m not in the business here vilifying TK Scubble. But did he ask God at that game? I’ll go to my grave believing yes. I believe if Scooble said, “No, Dad, I will kill you if you take this ball from me,” he he stays in the game. That’s my belief. I’m allowed to have that belief. It doesn’t make him a bad guy, but it makes me question. I’ve always said this. I don’t like paying pitchers eight, seven, eight, 10 year deals. And a guy who’s already had two catastrophic arm injuries. Yeah. The Look, you were either going to trade him two years ago or lose him. I I just don’t think paying them in the offing, especially with Boris repping him. So, go ahead, Kenny. You want to go first? Yeah, sure. I I go the all-in route, the the same as Rico, but for a little bit of a different reason. It would just show that this organization has willing to do something like that because up to this point, we have seen the biggest complaint about the Scott Harris era has been, oh, we don’t make a big splash move. Granted, we did offer Bregman. That has to be counted, but at the same time, yeah, let’s go all in and try to win something. So, you want a choice C? Choice C. David, A, B, or C. You can trade him, you can sign him, or you can know you’re losing him, but rally around him. Choose your adventure. I want him on my roster for one more season, and I’m all in. I’m going to get bats. I’m going to get back into the bullpin arms. Whatever we need, I am all in on his last year. Show that commitment. That’s That’s what I wore. See, I’m I’m in a different place. I I either pay him or I trade him. And the thing I can’t figure out, like, if you look between Jack Flity and Jav Bayas, that’s $44 million that comes off the payroll after next year. Now, you’re stuck with Flity because you triggered his player option. And unless Flity is getting terrible advice, you’re not opting out. Mhm. The money that Bayz and Flity make is essentially the school money long-term. It’s an offset. See, I view it that even though I don’t like signing these deals, you you have to you’ve got to almost negotiate with your own morals here, like baseball principles rather, where you don’t want to sign this type of deal, but it beats the alternative. What message does it send to the fan base if you trade Terub? What message does that send after that deadline? And then you want to go to people for ticket increases or you want to go to people to become, you know, 1901 speak easy members. The message, Mike, is the same message they’ve been preaching. Hey, hey, wait till you see these young guys. Well, hold on. And let’s be clear, it’s the same thing the Brewers got put through. They had Corbin Burns. They had to make a decision. They weren’t going to pay him. We got to trade him. and they still ended up having a nice year. What happened in the playoffs? Well, cute stories go to die. I actually wonder why you don’t pay him. The payroll is as such. It’s it’s if not now, you have no long-term liabilities in 27 and beyond. A lot of your players don’t even begin to be paid like a Parker Meadows, like a Carrie Carpenter, like a Torlson, like a Riley Green, like McGonagal who will be here. These guys aren’t going to make any money in the near term. Those guys are three, four years out. So, you start to look at it and go, “All right, what what am I actually doing here if I’m not paying him?” Now, if you believe you got the best out of him and you don’t think he’s going to be who he is in three years, you trade him. I I look, this is a nasty spot the organization finds themselves in. I’m not vilifying any opinion on this. All three are very legitimate. They are. And that’s the reason why, Mike, is I don’t know where he’s going to be. If you lock him up for 10 years, what I don’t want to see is, you know, the Cabrera, the final years where you’re overpaying this guy and now he’s stuck out in the bullpen and he can’t get anybody out in the bullpen and you’re only remembering the great days that he had when he was that starter when he was winning you back to back Sai Youngs. I don’t want that. And you know what? I I’ll be honest with you. Al, I still got a bitter taste in my mouth from the fact that I I don’t feel like he went out there to really help his team win that game five that he took himself it seems like he took himself out of that game instead of staying in there after still throwing the ball 100 miles an hour striking out Cal Rally and saying we good. I’m out. Somebody else and obviously you know I’m paying you that amount of money. I’m just going to ride this till the wheels come off and I’m going to let you be somebody else’s problems. Yeah. and and right, wrong, or otherwise, people are going to feel certain things. I don’t think your opinion’s crazy. Um, I want to know what you guys think because the scoo decision is going to dictate your off season. I just don’t see a scenario where keeping him and not being aggressive around him makes any sense. Meaning, he’s going into his last year and you don’t make a bold trade or you don’t go heavy in free agency. That doesn’t compute to me. If you’re not going to do, and again, the organization hasn’t really shown a willingness to do either of those things, then it then it means you pay him or you trade him. I I I would I just look, let’s do this one time. We’re having our we’re we’re the heads of state are meeting today and the heads of state, are you the fan? We’re doing the Google thing one time to put a put a bow on the season. What do you want them to do? I’ve outlined the three options. It is a brutally difficult situation. they find themselves in. And all of it could be traced back to the deadline 2 years ago. Because if you didn’t trade them then, you were always going to end up here. I don’t think there was any scenario they were going to be bad enough after the Disney movie to deal them at the deadline this year. And of course, they weren’t bad. In fact, they were very good. What did you do around him? Nothing. You basically farted in the face of the deadline. Well, that’s how you end up here. Mhm. So, what do you want to do? 2485399797. Let’s get with the people. And again, I don’t think there’s any wrong answer here, guys. I’m I’m genuinely interested in what the paying customer wants their franchise to do with Google. Rico beard for basements.

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21 comments
  1. Absolutely 100% trade Skubal at the Winter Meetings. But, make sure you get a king's ransom, and at least one current quality MLB player, and an absolute can't miss #1 prospect, plus more. Sign a good but not elite money pitcher and roll with them, Mize, Flaherty, Olson, Melton and Jobe whenever he comes back. That $400 million can be used to improve so many other areas the team needs.

  2. Option C for me would be signing Bichette, Tucker and Bregman all on 4+ year deals. You go for broke with Tarik. At the deadline when Pittsburgh still sucks you trade for Skenes with your multitude of prospects to pair with him the rest of the season and you have 3 more years of Skenes under control after Skubal leaves to pair with the FA bats and young guys you have.

    there is your Option C

  3. Unless you walk into the Winter Meetings and the Mets are desperate enough to trade you McLean and Vientos then you don't trade him and you spend the money you're saving he signs elsewhere next year on Schwarber and Bichette this offseason. But, if that Mets trade is there you take it and you still sign those 2 free agents. I would also accept Made AND Pena from Milwaukee, but nothing short of a king's ransom from a desperate team. And you sign hitters no matter what.

  4. I know you guys can't say it but the owner is cheap. Nothing tells you that more than the trading deadline deals. The team just needs to be sold to someone that likes baseball. There is nothing worse than someone that is cheap that lets his employees take the blame for the result of it. I also dont respect the employees that let themselves be used that way. Including these 2.

  5. To be fair to Tarik, he is a big frame guy….just getting into hit prime years mentally. Physically he is likely at the peak…and should not show decline for a good while because he is such a thiccc boi…lol. For real tho…hear me out…he doesn't call his own games and hasn't shown any interest in doing so. That does scare me a bit. He's just ride or die on pure talent. I think he will likely continue to have good success in the league for five or six more years before starting to show serious decline. With that…i could not myself pay him for 10, but unlike the miggy deal…you need five starters and he may not be your ace at that point, but he will certainly contribute. I don't know what type of other factors go into a decision like this for ownership…but I think in this rare instance…you could possibly get your moneys worth out of a long term deal.

  6. Being realistic about the 3 options:

    A) really only like the Mets option… maybe Tong, Benge, Peterson, and Baty. Would have to see what else others offer

    B) Tigers aren’t paying 400M. Just not gonna happen

    C) Tigers aren’t going “all-in” for 2 reasons. First, don’t think Chris Illitch has any intention of having a 200m team. Second, this current team isn’t Harris’ team he wants to go all-in on. He wants the NEXT team. Guys who make more contact like the guys he drafted/signed (McGonigle, Clark, Briceño, etc). If they pan out, that’s the team he’s going all-in on. Not the current squad that Ks way too much. Would need to replace too many pieces.

  7. I'd keep him – he reminds me of Roger Clemens with his physical makeup (tree trunks for legs which generates his power). He's the dominant pitcher of this period – he only allowed more than 3 runs in 3 out of 27 starts this year and if the tigers had ANY offense, he would have easily been a 20 game winner. In my opinion, he's better than Verlander, and he's a constant that you can depend on. As for the narrative that he asked to not go out for the 7th inning – I don't believe that. I believe AJ and "his metrics" took him out, and Tarik didn't fight it … should he have? He probably should have if he had more in him … and it sure did look like he had more … but I think he's a bulldog on the mound, but defers to his coach in the dugout. As for a long contract … if he keeps up his performance for the next 3~4 years, it will look fine. Also, there's nothing that prevents the Tigers from trading him 3 years down the road to the Yankees/Mets/Dodgers/Padres/etc and get prospects then. If you trade him, you're just getting prospects … how did we do with prospect in the Verlander trade? How did the Marlins do with prospects in the Cabrera trade? How great did our prospects from 4 years ago perform in the playoffs? Prospects are just that – prospects with the hope they will become something more.

  8. One factor ought be that anyone you replace him with cannot, will not, be of his level of performance. What you've got now will for sure be way better. Unfortunately, this runaway money binging complicates the whole picture.

  9. After Cabrera, no long term mega deals. The Tigers have a good farm system and don't need to be handcuffed for 10 years with some onerous contract for one player.

  10. Trade Skubal to Mets get back MLB prospects 11 21 30 pitcher Nolan Mclean outfielder Carson Benge shortstop Jett Williams………….take these 3 and add Spencer Toltelson Parker Meadows Jace Jung and Jordan Yost to Pittsburg for Paul Skenes………….yes a 7 for 1 trade

  11. Skubal in NYC would crack mentally. You have to question his mental toughness. Coming out of the last game in the 6th and before that, completely falling apart because a hitter took a foul tip to the face.

  12. Detroit is a ‘small market’ AND has a billionaire ‘cheap’ owner. I really don’t see them paying Skubal the contract. I’d love to see them go all in with him one more year ( he’s not going to sign for less later anyway ) and adding the pieces needed. But I also don’t see them splurging on the bats and arms needed either if that is case. Does that mean a trade and again ‘build for the future?’ Tiger fans deserve better.

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