How The Tigers Can Win The Skubal Situation | The Valenti Show with Rico

Rico, I gotta tell you, that’s one of my favorite ever hatchetisms. Colored is fine. So, I I feel very honored that uh I’m filling in for Mike today and you guys led with that. Thank you. I had nothing to do with that. Oh, okay. Neither did I. Why is everybody looking at me? I didn’t do anything. I definitely didn’t put that in there. Okay. What’s going on everybody? So, no Mike today. He’s back on Monday. No, but we’re going to have TJ at 3:00. And I know TJ’s all fired up about the Jared Goff play. I know TJ’s been yapping on social media. And now you saw what happened with NFL Films. They put out that hit piece on Bryant Branch. I know TJ has strong thoughts on that as well. He’ll join us at three. Yeah, I I got some I have some questionable thoughts on that. I I don’t know if that’s real or not. Oh, you think that’s AI in this day and age of AI? Yes, because it was their account though. They got like 500,000 followers. Does it mean that somebody couldn’t put it up on their site? I weirdest thing ever. No, no, no. I guess because it’s like who does a hit piece on Brian Branch? Who in the NFL really cares that much about Brian Branch outside city? Is that the NFL’s way of uh fighting back after Dan Campbell went on the morning show and said, “No, the NFL probably lied to you.” This is the epitome of of never let a one day story turn into a two-day story. Well, it’s not really a story, though. Like, nobody nationals talking about it. Well, that’s that’s that’s what makes it a story. We’ll get to that. Yes. All right. So, TJ Lang at 3:00. All right. The big news though from last night to tonight is the John Haymon article that apparently the Tigers are $250 million away from trying to sign Trerek Scooble. Then Evan Pzled comes out today in the free press and Pzled was the first one to report that non-competitive offer. Remember? Yeah. And he said that offer was somewhere to the likes of four years just shy of $100 million. And if you read the pencled article, he believes that the Tigers and Tick Scooble Scott Boris are probably like $300 million apart. So either way you look at it, we already knew this was going to happen. The Tigers are not going to extend them. Scoo’s not going to be a Tiger for life. I think most people are okay with it. But now that the numbers come out, Rico, I have a question I want to ask everybody and I think the answer is different from everybody. But how do the Tigers win this? How does Detroit win this thing? So when it’s all said and done, they come out looking as good as they possibly can because they can trade them and they can win it like that. If you get prospects or proven players that help your everyday ball club, they could play with them and make the ALCS or the World Series. And yeah, you get a comp pick at the end of it, but damn it, you made the ALCS or World Series and you did it with him. or you simply can extend them, I guess, but we know that’s not going to happen. How did the Tigers at the end of the day come out as winners, Rer? The only way the Tigers come out as winners is if I I think they they they resign him. But you’ll be a temporary winner. People will be happy because you kept your your Sai Young award back-to-back Sai Young award winning pitcher here. But other than that, unless you get a a king’s ransom in a trade, which I don’t think you’re going to get, I the look, if you came out and told me that they pulled a Bregman and they put an offer out there and he just turned it down, I guess maybe. But I think the only way they win is if they somehow retain him. Because if you trade him, you don’t know what you got. You don’t know if you won that trade for another three, four years, maybe. I think there’s two ways to win. I think if you trade him and you get a nice package in return and those players end up playing pivotal roles at your major league club, I think you turn out to be a winner. And I think people are already starting to turn against Eric Scubble. I also think you win if you keep him, which I think you should do. I think you should keep him and go to war and maybe dare I say sign a Bette, sign a Bregman, sign a Dylan CE as another starter and try to win with him cuz he’s under contract and hopefully you go to the ALCS or the World Series. I have a stat for you and I do think it’s important. This is from Pzled and the last two seasons trick Scooble when he starts a game the Tigers are 42 and 20. pretty damn good, right? Every other start, the non-schoolable starts, the Tigers are 131 and 131. The guy is important. I know people are kind of agitated with him right now, but you know what? I’m going to keep him. And I think that’s how the Tigers win if they make it far enough. Now, if they keep them and have to trade them at the deadline and you don’t get as much, Tigers are losers. You can’t trade them at the deadline. You You’ll get nothing. Yeah, but if you’re out of it, you got to trade them. You’ll get nothing. Understood. But that’s why the Tigers are losers. That that’s that’s when you fall flat on your face and it’s it would be the most egregious mismanagement of talent I probably think in Detroit history. And I’m not trying to exaggerate that. You could have gotten something from here years ago and you end up trading them away for somebody’s sixth and seventh farm prospect. I still think you would get a decent amount just not the amount that you would get right now because it would be pennies on the dollar because the other team knows he’s a rental. Understood. But there’d be enough teams that would want to win a World Series with Tick Scooble, at least for as a rental, that you would still have a bidding war. So, I still think you’d get something, but I agree with you. You’d be a loser. Okay, so you get Dollar Tree and Dollar General. I like Five Below better, to tell you the truth. But you’d be a loser in that regard. If you sign him longterm and his arm blows out or he isn’t as good, you’d be a loser, too. So, how do the Tigers actually win this thing? It’s a bad situation to be put in. The second thing I wanted to ask you, Rico, and we could hit the calls, but I have a theory. You could tell me if I’m wrong. The people can tell me if I’m wrong. I think people wanted to keep TK Scubble until a week ago today when he came out at 99 pitches. I think the fact that he didn’t come out for the seventh inning rubbed people so wrong. And then it was only added to when they saw Max Scherzer yesterday beg Schneider to stay in the game. They didn’t beg Schneider. He pretty much said, “Get the hell out of here.” Right. You can leave, right? Well, I you also saw Yamamoto throw a complete game for the Dodgers. People are like, “Why couldn’t Scubble do that?” And then I also saw Freddy Peralta for the Brewers. He went up to Pat Murphy. He took him behind the tunnel and he’s like, “Dude, give me one more inning.” It was game two, I want to say. And Murphy said, “Fine.” They did a whole big story about it. And then he came out and unfortunately he did give up a home run. But I think because Scooble did not even campaign that we know to stay in the game on Friday. I truly believe Detroititers have gone from I want him to be a Tiger for life to whatever. If he goes, he goes. Am I wrong about that? I truly believe this. Rer, I don’t think you are. I think that it’s still too soon. It still hurts because a lot of people say if he goes out and pitches in the seventh inning, Tigers are probably playing right now. They’ll they would be playing or tied up at two games a piece against the Blue Jays. But he didn’t. And then, you know, that’s when Seattle comes in. They score the run. He struck out, was it Cal Rally? He’s still throwing 100 miles an hour. Yeah. 101. And it’s like, well, dude, you you still got something left. Like 14 in a row, 10 strikeouts, right? This is game five. What are you preparing for opening day? Like, come on, man. All season long, you you had this arbitrary pitch count. At some point in the playoffs, can’t you just throw that out there and just do this for the team? Do this for the city. Do this for all your fans. Just go out there. Even if you say, “AJ, if I get in trouble, I need a quick hook.” Oh, AJ would have loved that. But I don’t think he and I do think I do think that people have now kind of it’s it’s it’s it hurts a little bit because you you you don’t see that grit and this is that it’s Detroit. I mean when you look at all the the great Detroit teams they had a little grittiness to him to them. It doesn’t seem like he had that. It was almost like it was pre-ordained at the end of six. Don’t care where we’re at in the game. I’m out of here. I’ll be in the dugout. You guys take it from there. I actually think, and I’m not saying the Tigers are trying to make Scooble look bad, but I truly believe the public perception has shifted from give the man whatever he wants. He’s the best we’ve had or the best since JV and Max. You got to keep him a Tiger. I think it shifted from that to I don’t care if he leaves because of Friday night and because you know more of those instances are going to happen where you want him to go out for further pitches and he doesn’t. So I wonder if Friday was a deal breaker for Detroit. I think it was. And and also Rer I think you kind of you’re touching upon it. So, does this mean, let’s say you sign him for another, let’s just say a seven-year deal that he’s going to tap out at the sixth inning of every game he pitches, he’ll never give you that big game. We’ll never tell the story about how Scooble threw that complete game. It’s always going to be play it, Mr. Let’s be safe about it. Uh, you know, keep it under a 100 pitches, keep it under six innings, and that’s it. I think people have a problem because that’s that’s my deal breaker. That’s why if I’m Scott Harris, I’m like, I’m not I can’t pay you, dude. Cuz I I need to if I’m going to pay you to be the man, I need you to go out there and be the man. And you’ll get the money. Been the man. No, no, no. But when I need you to step up in a moment, the playoffs are where people make it’s where they get their legacy. I agree with you. I mean, it is. I mean, Vlad Jr. is like, he’s going to be adored, especially if Toronto goes on to win. Like, he’s crushing the ball. like this is where you become who you are. And unfortunately, in that moment, you chose to opt out and just sit the seventh inning out and let everybody else take it over. 2485399797. The ticket text the exact same number. Two questions. How does the Tigers How do the Tigers come away looking good? Like what has to happen for them to look like they’ve won the trick scoo I would say sweep stakes, but it’s a disaster. Let’s be honest. And it’s it’s not the Tigers fault. It’s not it’s not really a sweep stakes. Right now you’re just bidding against yourself. Well, how did the Tigers not look awful? That’s number one. And then number two, did Friday ruin it for you? Was that a deal breaker on Tick Scooble because he didn’t come back out for the seventh inning as Rico said after having retired 14 in a row, 10 strikeouts, and throwing 101 to the big dumper? Also, Kenny has something to say. I I think we may be looking at this a little bit backwards, and I’ll get to why. Oh, that’s right. He plays the open song. He drops the Kenny, you keep this up. I didn’t play the open song. What are you talking about? Kenny, you keep this up and you’ll be doing BET ads. Well, he can’t take those from David. Well, go watch the BET programming. What days, Kenny? You know what? 971

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29 comments

  1. Remember the ABJECT GARBAGE, that Idiot Al Avila got for Justin Verlander? Trust Fund Chrissy ain't paying Skubal. He couldn't care less about winning, with EITHER of his teams. He's the modern-day William Clay Ford.

  5. Choked last season against Cleveland and didn't go back out for the 7th against Seattle. I appreciate what he's done for the team for the past 2 years but he's not worth 10 years and 400 million

  10. I understand if they're hesitant on giving a pitcher $700 million. He's only gonna play 40 games, you could renovate the entire roster for that price

  11. Everybody acting like game 5 was Skubal just bailing on the team and not caring, you’re letting everyone else know that you don’t know that much about baseball or even about Skubal as a person. Listen to any interview and you can tell he is one of the most competitive dudes in the league and you think he just gave up? That’s absurd. Look at the situation and think for 10 seconds and it’s easy to see why he was taken out. He had clearly just emptied the tank in the 6th at 99 pitches and Seattle had the two biggest Tiger killers of the series leading off in a 1 run game. Thats exactly what your bullpen is for and they didn’t execute. Nobody will ever be JV going CG shutout on 122 pitches and it’s ridiculous to expect it from Skubal when AJ barely let him throw over 100 pitches all year. Snell only threw 103 in his 8 inning outing and yes, Yamamoto threw 111 in his CG but that was with a 4 run lead. Stop trying to blame the player for asking for the money he’s worth and blame the team that won’t even give him a competitive offer.

  13. Trade him and get some high end ranking MILB players. If they wait until trade deadline we will be giving him away. No way tigers sign him to 7 to 10 year deal. I wouldn't do it anyways because the last 2 to threes years or longer of the deal is throwing away money.

  15. Tigers will trade him in the offseason. By winter meetings

    That’s why they didn’t do anything at the trade deadline

    Cause they will get what they need by trading skubal to the Mets
    Instead of giving up prospects for rental.

    Skubal to Mets for vientos, sproat, and Jett Williams

  16. It’s no point to sign a dominant pitcher like skubal when you don’t have great or even good run production consistently, also don’t have a strong rotation behind him.

    Trade him. The trade package will be crazy because there are at least 6 team’s minimum that can trade for him. N some can even resign him.
    N it’s all team with surplus of prospects
    Red Sox dodger Phillies Mets mariners and the sleeper Giants

  18. I don't think Rico is correct that if they trade him at the deadline they'd get pennies on the dollar. Look at the return the Brewers got for Corbin Burnes before the 2024 season, it's a rather meh return. Given the scarcity of a pitcher like Skubal juicing up a team's rotation and chances at a World Series run, I think Skubal could command a high return at the deadline.

  19. I’d trade him, Skubal wants a World Series NOW, he said it himself and if our GM and HofBOp has shown, he doesn’t like making big moves, throw in having an cheap owner and I doubt the Tigers will do much to use Skubal’s last year the way he’d want to. Give him to the Dodgers, Mariners, or Mets, any team that is serious about winning it all, has the chops to do so, and has a very nice full farm system with mixture of promising young players that can help you win now or try to AND win in this WS window of 2030 or whatever the goalpost shift to.

    Skubal isn’t getting any younger and by the time this team is fully committed to go “all-in”, he could be pushing 34. Get what you can and move on.

  21. For the let’s keep him for next year people, understand the Tigers are not going “all-in” on free agents to add to this team. They have really high hopes McGonigle, Clark, and Briceño, and they aren’t gonna sign long term guys to block them when all 3 likely make the big club at some point next year.

  22. Man I gotta stop watching the offseason rumors on the Tigers, it’s been depressing every year since Mike Illitch died. They should’ve signed sherzer and they should sign skubal but they won’t b/c their multi billion dollar owner DOES NOT CARE and is cheap and it’s sad b/c this fan base cares sooo much and deserves better

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