Saints Fire Sale Coming? | 3 Players New Orleans SHOULD DEAL At Trade Deadline

Saints Fire Sale Coming? | 3 Players New Orleans SHOULD DEAL At Trade Deadline

[Music] Adam Shfter has a list of some notable veteran players that could very well be part of trade conversations um coming up by the November 4th trade deadline. He’s got five New Orleans Saints listed. So, I wanted to bring Ross Jackson on from Louisiana Sportset to talk about this like who’s realistically potentially on the market. What might they command? What are the Saints thinking? Ross, we appreciate it, man. How are you? Yeah, man. Of course. I’m doing great. Thanks for having me on. Let’s our pleasure. Let’s start with the two veterans that I think everybody wants to talk about first. It’s Alvin Chimera and Cam Jordan. Maybe the biggest thing with these two guys, Ross, is like, do they even want to be traded? Are they just dead set on finishing their careers in New Orleans, even if it’s, you know, on losing teams? Yeah, I think that’s going to always be kind of the the question when it comes to those guys and and when it comes to these conversations. The fact of the matter is that neither of those guys want to go anywhere. Both of those guys very much want to finish their careers here in New Orleans. Alvin Camar has been very uh kind of upfront about that over the course of the past few years. I mean, we’ve asked him over at Louisiana Sports Set. We’ve asked him before during training camp, things like that. You go back, Cam got his extension just a couple years ago and you know, we asked Alvin Chimera about, hey, what are your thoughts on Cam Jordan’s extension? He said, I don’t want to talk about Cam, I want to talk about B. When am I getting mine? I want to finish my career here. Uh and so that’s very much been the MMO around Alvin Chimera for some time. There was a recent report as well uh that came out about that that sort of talked about how Mickey Lumis the general manager approached Alvin said, “Hey, if there’s an opportunity, would you like to go?” Uh and and the you know, by all accounts, his answer was that he wants to be here in New Orleans. And we know that Cam Jordan, just like his father, wants to be a lifer. His dad, Steve Jordan, was a lifer with the uh Minnesota Vikings as a tight end. He wants the same thing in New Orleans. So, when you have a couple of guys like that that are effectively the faces of your franchise that don’t want to go anywhere, very likely those guys aren’t going to be on the move. Does it that notwithstanding, would it make sense for the Saints to try to move either of those guys? It depends on the return that you get for them. The thing that’s so tricky about that is, you know, any team would have a question about how many years they’re going to get from a Cam Jordan if they were to make a move. And therefore, the investment at that position, I mean, sorry, for for that trade, even regardless to his position, which is a premier position as an edge rusher, you’re probably not going to get enough of a return to make that worth it, unless you’re really starving for a day three pick or something like that. Alvin Chimera is a little bit trickier. You talk about a running back, which is a position that doesn’t carry a lot of trade value in the league. You talk about a running back that’s staring down the age of 30, that gets even less trade value in the league. So maybe if there’s an unexpected offer that maybe makes sense for the Saints, it might send him to a competitor like let’s say the Kansas City Chiefs feel they’re one explosive running back away. Then maybe you revisit that conversation with him. Uh but based on the fact that the Saints apparently went and went so far as to have the conversation with him before pulling the trigger, it feels very much like they are willing to take into consideration what these players want more than just what might net them, you know, some some draft value. There’s three other receivers that are listed, Brandon Cooks and then two young guys with Rasheed Shahid and Chris. Let’s start with the veteran and Cooks. He’s just back now for six games in a second stint with the Saints. Is is there any market value for a guy like Cooks, especially considering the the multi-year contract he just signed in New Orleans? Yeah, I mean, look, I I don’t know if I can name a wide receiver that’s had more trade value in the NFL than Brandy Cooks, right? You know, like this guy, the the idea that, you know, the Saints sign him this off season and they could potentially trade him is, you know, if I can drop my, you know, uh journalist cap for a moment and just put on my normal human being cap, I would say that’s absolutely insane. Like that’s crazy. That’s wild. And so, uh, maybe so. I mean, there there’s clearly trade value around him and and there has been for the majority of his career. Uh, but he is somebody that obviously is coming off a big injury last year, too. So, that’s got to be factored in, but he has been healthy, although underutilized here in New Orleans so far. I shouldn’t say underutilized, but hasn’t had, you know, the wide receiver one or wide receiver two impact, which was never the expectation around him. If a team’s willing to give up something for him that’s greater than the value that the Saints are getting right now, which would not be a huge ask, especially knowing that you’ve got young guys like Mason Kypton and Devon Vle already in the building and the potential return eventually of other players that could potentially contribute there at the wide receiver position. He would be the one that would make the most sense to move only if the uh return is better than you might expect for a receiver his age. What do you think would be a return better than you might expect? I think if you got anything over a fourth round pick for him, that would probably at least start the conversation. Anything in day two or day one would probably be the conversation. I mean, that would be a pretty easy decision to make, especially when you have a similar style receiver like a a Mason Tipton that’s waiting there. But a fourth or a fifth round pick is probably one of those pieces that’s maybe a little bit better than you might expect. That would be enough to maybe get that get that conversation. which begs the question why they signed a small aging lacking production wide receiver. Never mind. Um okay. Well, especially I mean look especially to not utilize him, right? To not have him be a big part of the game plan. And then you also traded a for Devon Vle who has not been a part of the game plan. There’s there’s obvious there’s absolutely some questions there. Um I’m just going to start in on Gumm Smack and Mick again. And I don’t want to put you in a bad spot. Uh all right. So, let’s talk about the other guys that uh that might be more realistic and it’s Chris Ave and Rasheed Shahed. Young guys with a lot of career runway still in front of them and guys that may command a greater asset. Let’s start with with a Ross, start just working us through the mechanics of where he is in his contract and and what would have to happen for a team to be interested in in making a move for a Yeah. Yeah. Actually, one of the things that makes Olive such a tradable asset is his contract. He is in the fourth year of his rookie deal. The fifth year option has been picked up already. And I believe that hovers around 156 million uh depending upon what the the contracts of wide receivers look like at the time that that contract were to be were to set in, but that should hover around that area. And so giving a team full control over contract negotiations, that’s a favorable situation for a team that’s trading to acquire a talented player like Chris Olive. So his contract, just to start there, is uh very very tradable and would make him a desirable piece on the market. U what what do you think you used a first round pick on Chris? It’s hard to imagine getting a first round pick. what would be an asset that you think would be worth moving him? Yeah, I think you go you move the conversation from first round pick to first round value. And so you’re looking at a second round pick and a little bit of pocket change to kind of help get that pick value up. The typical wide receiver trade around the NFL, as we’ve seen, is a second and a fifth round pick. I think that would be enough for the Saint to decide, okay, look, what what you’re losing here, the value of what you’re gaining in potential in terms of in terms of draft capital and investment is enough to maybe take that hit for this year and next year. Uh, so second and fifth is the typical number one wide receiver or number one option in a passing game kind of trade that I feel like would at least get the conversation going. the the conversation is never really going to be about should the Saints trade Chris Ave. It’s more should the Saints receive what it is that they’re that they’re going after. Right. So, it’s got to be about what that compensation is. I think that would probably be pretty close to a workable uh amount. So, you’re saying but I don’t want to misunderstand. You’re saying that if the compensation were there, they should trade Chris Ave. Yeah. I think as long as you’re able to say that what you’re getting to you as an organization, which varies over 32 teams, is greater than that which you are losing, then it makes sense to pull that trigger and then figure it out from there. It it doesn’t matter whether or not, you know, Chris Olive should or shouldn’t be traded. That’s not really a part of the conversation, right? He’s a talented player. He’s on an agreeable contract. He would fill a void for a bunch of teams and you have an opportunity to negotiate his future as an acquiring team to your liking and to your comfort. You’re not inheriting somebody else’s negotiated contract. All of those things make somebody a tradable asset. It’s not really like, oh, is the player should they get rid of the player? It’s never really getting rid of the player. It’s gaining something in return. So, it’s really about the return more than it is about what you’re losing. And then, uh, Rasheed Shahed, what’s the opportunity there? Yeah. So, that one’s a really interesting one because I think part of the conversation that you have to have with this one is understanding what his market value is in free agency because he’s going into free agency after this year. And so, with that, if he were to sign somewhere and get a big enough contract, you could be in store as the New Orleans Saints for a third round pick in 2027 as a compensatory selection. So, can you get a third round pick in 2026? Is that enough to move the needle for you? If you can’t get uh you know uh the value of what would be a third round pick in 2027, then you’re probably not moving that player uh and you’re willing to kind of go into the off season with him, not resigned and looking to see what you might return that way or trying to figure out if you can get a contract done with him, which we assume would be a cheaper contract to get a hold of rather than Chris Alav’s contract for instance. Is there any other player that you think could enter these conversations? Um, Pete Wernern, the linebacker, is definitely one. I mean, we’re not talking about day one, day two compensation there or anything, but he’s definitely one that you’re watching out for. They, you know, invested highly in Danny Susman. They’ve been getting a look at Susman as well as Isaiah Stalbert over the course of the past couple of weeks. And so, he would be a player that would make some sense uh when it comes to those conversations. And then, you know, if you’re gonna move a player and you want to try to get the biggest return that you can for them, getting a guy, you know, moving somebody that’s going to be a uh moving a guy at a prime position or a premier position is a good way to get some of that, you know, nice draft capital back. And so, I would imagine that a guy like Carl Granderson could be a part of that conversation as well because you would get good compensation for a talented player at a premier position. He is Ross Jackson. Louisianaapasports.net. Of course, you can read him there if you want to listen or watch. It’s the Locked on Saints podcast. So, make sure you’re subscribed over on your favorite podcast app or on YouTube to Locked on Saints. And of course, you can read Ross always for free over at louisianaapports.net. I understand you’re going to have a uh a piece on this tomorrow. Yeah, absolutely. I think a big part of this conversation is understanding the difference between what a tradable asset is and a player that should be traded. Um, none of this stuff is about a player that you’re advocating to get moved or anything like that. It’s all about the value. So, we’re going to list out each one of these players and then take a look at kind of top end and bottom end value that you could potentially get for them based on historical trades at that at the same position. All right. Unless it’s Chris Lav. I’m ready to see him gone. Just get rid of them. If you’re not going to make if you’re not going to make a contested catch, get out of here. I don’t want to see you anymore. Well, you’re dropping his trade value if you if you’re if you’re moving him because you’re mad at him. Don’t care. Get him out of here. Get him out of here. This is this is just the uh this is the this is pissed off Shawn Peyton cutting a kicker the next day or throwing the challenge flag just because he’s mad. That’s how I feel right now. Like the the worst Did Shawn Peyton have the worst challenge success rate in the history of the NFL? Had to. He was just like a pissed-off teenager. I can I can find that. Just throw the flag cuz I’m pissed off. He would throw it. It felt like he would throw it sometimes because he needed to throw something or because he just wanted to make the officials do something he wanted them to do. So if I throw the challenge flag, you have to go and look at the thing. Great. I’ll take that win. It’s He’ll give up a timeout to do it. It’s It’s It’s just like whenever he drafted Who is the kid from Tommy Stevens? He just just d wasted a draft pick for someone that wasn’t going to make the team just because someone said he couldn’t. It’s like, “Oh, no. You’re going to Carolina.” No, you’re not. I’m trading up and I’m drafting you. So, you can’t even though I’m cutting you. That’s how I feel right now about a lav. I don’t care how nonsensical it is. I’m pissed off and I want him gone. So, get rid of him. Make it happen, Ross. Make it happen. Okay. Uh, he’s Ross Jackson on Twitter at Ross Jackson. Give him a follow. Thank you, dude. Thank you, bud. Take care. Stay safe. Talk to you soon. All right, man. Be well. Hey, thanks so much for watching. Please leave your comments. I love to interact. And be sure to hit the red subscribe button below. [Music] With you. [Music]

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Matt Moscona breaks down the latest trade rumors surrounding the New Orleans Saints ahead of the November 4th trade deadline. Ross Jackson from LouisianaSports.net joins the conversation to analyze which Saints players could realistically be on the move, including Alvin Kamara, Cam Jordan, Chris Olave, Rasheed Shaheed, and more. We dive into the value each player could bring in a trade, how their contracts impact marketability, and what the Saints are thinking about potential offers. Find out which veterans might be traded, which young players could generate draft capital, and what it all means for New Orleans heading into the second half of the season. Don’t miss this deep dive into Saints trade strategy and player value.

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