Jets QB Situation Is Once Again A Disaster | Gang’s All Here

Jets QB Situation Is Once Again A Disaster | Gang’s All Here

If it’s one or zero, yeah, that that’s the scenario where I I see one and done being in play because it’s I think it’d be hard for Woody Johnson to to look at the paying customers and say we’re running it back if it’s one win or zero wins. Hello and welcome to Gangs all here. My name is Ryan Samson. That’s our Jets beat writer Brian Costello. Today is Monday, October 20th. The Jets have started the season 0 and7 after an ugly loss against the Carolina Panthers on Sunday. And we’re here to break it down with Mr. Costello. We’re going to talk about Justin Fields, him being benched, Tyrod Taylor getting in the game, Aaron Glenn’s comments today about the quarterback situation being uncertain. We’re going to break it all down on today’s episode. But before we get to any of that, as always, Kaz, how you doing today, sir? I’m good, Ryan. Today’s my wedding anniversary. Hey, congratulations. Thank you. 23 years. Wow. How’s that make you feel? 23 years. I was 10 years old. I know I’m old already. I know I’m old. No, that’s awesome, man. 23 years. That’s something to be proud of. Um and and look, I’m sure you uh get to come home and enjoy your home and enjoy being with your family even though it’s a it’s a it’s a tough watch, you know, this job that you have right now to go watch this football team and cover it. Um I’m sure there’s a nice little bit of peace at home for you. Yes. Yeah. Well, my the problem was my eyes were bleeding yesterday when I got home. So, that was, you know, from watching that football game. But, yeah, you’re right. It’s always nice to come home after that. It is. It is. Um, look, I I want to start with the quarterback position, and I got to start with, you know, you had asked Glenn after the game in London about the quarterback change and if it needed to happen, and he called it a ridiculous question and be better. and he immediately goes in the middle of the game seeing that Fields was struggling in the third quarter to go to Tyrod. I just I want to understand your perspective on this with Aaron Glenn and how he’s going about being the head coach and pulling the trigger there in the third quarter, but also in the same time understanding like week to week you can’t say one thing and then go about it a different way the following week. Yeah. I mean, number one, I don’t think the press conference mattered um you know, that much. I He made the right decision yesterday. He he pulled the quarterback at halftime. You know, I think in London, he was trying to defend his guy and he was trying to and I think he went a little too far. Um just attacking the question wasn’t smart because anyone who watched that game minus 10 passing yards was wondering whether you should change the quarterback. And I think he has to understand that. And I think it would have been fine if he came out and said, “I understand the question. he didn’t play well today, but he’s my guy. We’re sticking with him. We believe in him. He’s going to play great next week. And I think if he said that, nobody would have blinked. You know, they may not may have disagreed with him, but I think it would have been okay. I think it was just kind of attacking the question drew a lot of attention to it. But again, look, he made the right decision yesterday. I think watching those first two quarters, uh, there probably wasn’t anybody outside of Justin Field’s family that was saying stick with him for the second half. So, he did the right thing. Give him credit. Um, he’s been getting a lot of criticism, but I thought, you know, I don’t think yesterday was on him in terms of game management or anything. I think I think he did the right the right thing there. And Tyrod just wasn’t the answer in the second half. No, he certainly wasn’t. Uh, and look, two interceptions were not pretty. Uh, both balls underthrown on guys you could have argued who were open uh, and could have could have made the play. Um, I just I guess for you hearing Aaron Glenn’s comments today about he he still has to make that decision. Where do the Jets go with the quarterback position next week against the Bengals? Yeah, I wrote today I mean to me this is there’s no good options. This is like broccoli or or cauliflower is that you know that’s the choice here to me. Like I I get that Tyrod has some appeal and stuff, but he’s a backup quarterback for a reason. And he’s a good backup quarterback, but a good backup quarterback is a guy you hope only plays three or four games when your start is hurt. It’s not somebody you want taken over mid-season. He’s not the future. You know, this isn’t a Jackson Dart situation where even if he, you know, plays poorly, you’re still getting hope for the future. So, it’s a bad situation. Um I I personally would probably go with Tyrod. I just think Fields needs some time to clear his head. He just looks like he’s a mess mentally right now to me and uh nothing really is functioning with him on the field. I thought the offense in the second half with Taylor had some good moments. He hit he has a couple long throws there to Tyler Johnson. They moved the ball um the first drive, you know, they moved the ball a little bit and then when he even when he came in the first half when Tyrod had that was being checked for a concussion, he got down there in the red zone. They he converted a third down and and they got flagged for an um illegal motion, I believe it was, or illegal shift. So that wiped that out and they end up kicking the field goal. But uh to me, the offense looks better with Tyrod. It doesn’t look good. It looks better. So, I I would I would go with Tyrod against Cincinnati. Yeah, look, there’s a lot of questions about what this offense has has produced thus far this season. Uh, ever since this Steelers game, you know, it cause, it’s been one offensive touchdown scored in the first three quarters of the last six games. Uh, everything else, it’s incredible. And zero in the last two games total. What’s funny though, Ryan, is I just looked up like stretches like that and we’ve actually lived through a bunch of them recently. They’re not as rare as you think. Like there was a stretch in 2023 with Zack, if you remember, in the middle of the year where they weren’t scoring. I think that’s when they went to Tim Bole. There was a stretch end of 2022, they didn’t score any touchdowns in the final three games. Uh Jacksonville, Seattle, and Miami, which was I think Mike White started one of those games. Flaco started one of those games. I think Zach started one of those games. So like it’s been some just awful awful offensive football in the last I don’t know how many years. Well, this goes back to the decision making of Glenn and Muji to go with this quarterback room into the in the offseason, right? So, this was something I think you had brought up a bunch in the offseason about look, Justin Fields, we’ve seen what he’s done in his career. A lot of people said he struggles to process the field, holds the ball too long, takes a lot of sacks, and there’s a reason why he’s on his third team in three years, right? But they gave him $40 million to say, “We believe in you and we’re going to make a reclamation project out of you like other teams had done with Baker and Sam and whatever.” I my my issue is is and I understand this is revisionist history. K. You took a re a defensive-minded rookie head coach and you chose to have him be total keys of the kingdom. He’s choosing who his quarterback is. And he chose Justin Fields and kept Tyrod Taylor. Didn’t draft a quarterback. went with an undrafted rookie and and Brady Cook to finish out the room and then you have a rookie offensive coordinator, someone that hasn’t done the play calling before. All of these pieces put together, I think you and others are called like this can be a real disaster for the Jets if that’s the way they’re going to go about this. And that’s how it’s played out right now. And I guess I I I have to say I’m the clown, right, who thought that this could actually work out. Put the paint on my face. But in in realistic terms, when you’re looking at this, what did you expect? This is what it was. And and for them to say Fields, Tyrod, Garrett Wilson, and nobody else in the wide receiver room, and they didn’t address that in the offseason, you put yourself in a bind here. So, I are you shocked, or should I say this is more what you expected to happen this season? I didn’t think it would be this bad. Um, you hit on a bunch of different things there. Let me kind of start one by one. I think if you go back to when they signed Fields, um, and I know I called it this and others called it this. They called it a lottery ticket. It was a lottery ticket, right? So, I don’t know if you played the lottery at all, Ryan or if you have anyone in your family plays a lot, but it’s a lot of money. That’s I do, you know, like a lot of lottery. How many times have you How many times have you won? Oh, zero. Yeah. That’s most people, right? I think most people won zero. So, when you buy a lottery ticket, the odds are highly against you winning, right? And I think that’s what Justin Fields was is he was a lottery ticket and you know the Buccaneers hit on Baker Mayfield, right? And he was a lottery ticket at that time. No, no, I don’t think anyone saw him doing what he’s doing now in Tampa Bay, right? So that it was a similar situation and um it hasn’t worked and it’s a bust. But and I think if you want to start nitpicking the $30 million guaranteed is where I’m kind of like wow. Like that’s a lot of money they gave him to to not be sure what you were getting. And so that that’s the part I think if you’re Woody Johnson right now, you’re going, “Hey guys, really like we needed to spend $30 million on this guy. He can’t play.” But he is who we thought he was. We you know who we thought he was. You know, he’s he’s slow processing, get takes a lot of sacks. I thought he’d be better running the ball. Uh that has that hasn’t happened. I’m not sure if it’s because he’s he’s injured or what, but he that hasn’t worked. Um you know, and then the receiver decision is awful. And that’s one that we were calling out forever. And everyone who watches the Jets was saying they need a second receiver, they need a second receiver. It feels like I’ve lived a couple of these. I think in 2021 we were all saying they need a veteran backup quarterback with Zack and they they need that and they didn’t do that. Then then they end up trading for Flaco mid-season. Uh back in 2014 we were all screaming they need to sign a quarterback, they need to sign a quarterback and they didn’t sign a quarterback. It killed their whole season. So it’s weird. Like I generally think these people know more about football than I do. But sometimes you wonder because like some of this stuff looks so obvious and they just don’t do it. And I think it comes from arrogance and I think the Fields thing I think there’s a lot of arrogance with the Fields thing. It was I heard a lot of well we’re going to coach him differently than he’s ever been coached and we’re going to cater to his strengths and you know I think that’s insulting to the people in Chicago and Pittsburgh who’ve like especially the people in Pittsburgh have won a lot of games and are good coaching staff. So, but that was kind of what we heard is like ah that like they didn’t use them properly and you know uh we talked about this all summer Ryan like the idea of we’re going to run the ball, we’re going to run the ball. We’re going to run the ball. It sounds great and yes, the Philadelphia Eagles have done it spectacularly, but the Philadelphia Eagles also have AJ Brown and Dvonte Smith out there to help and they have the best offensive line in football. And so, like, I don’t know. I just think putting all your eggs in that basket was risky and it’s it’s kind of blown up on them because now they can’t run the ball because everyone’s stacking the box because they can’t throw the ball. So, yeah, it’s it’s a it’s a it’s a bad bad situation. It’s it that’s putting it lightly right now. Uh, look, you have Tyrod and Justin Fields who are two of the worst in the NFL currently with uh if you if you believe in EPA, expected points added per drop back, uh they’re in the top top 10 worst at the quarterback position of EPA per dropback. Meaning every time they drop back, they are in the top 10 of the worst quarterbacks of expecting add expecting points per drop back on their play. And they also average two of the longest times of holding the ball from time to snap to throw. Their average is is two of the longest in the NFL. So you’re seeing quarterbacks right now holding the ball too long between Fields and Tyrod. Not seeing open receivers downfield and the with the way that the offense has been playing to what you’re saying like and how that’s been called. They haven’t been running to the running the ball to their strengths. Yeah. And the usage for Bree Hall. I I I would love to hear your thoughts on that. Why are they not giving the ball more to Bree Hall? Even if it’s just not even as a running back, but also as a wide receiver, too. Yeah, I like he got dinged up before the halftime before halftime yesterday. So, I’m think that affected his sec second half usage, but he only played like 50% of the snaps, which I don’t get it with no Brillin Allen and no Garrett Wilson. Like, I don’t know. I would I would be going to Bree and saying like, “Hey, bro. Hey, brother. We’re riding you today. Like, you’re the you’re our guy.” and you know, we’re going to we’re going to go here the wheels come off. And I just I don’t get it. I don’t feel like they’ve done that at all. And we saw it in training camp like they used him creatively in the passing game. In training camp, they talked about it that, you know, how great he was at catch, you know, catching the ball, running routes, and it just hasn’t materialized. I I don’t know why. I don’t know why that they’ve gone away from it um like they have, but yeah, they this it’s kind of troubling, Ryan, when you look at like the the coaching like what are they doing schematically to make up for what they’re missing. So like you don’t have Garrett Wilson. So like I would think you’re sitting there all day Tuesday and they can they can play the game how Garrett might have played. they knew Garrett wasn’t playing and you know they were sitting there last Tuesday going okay we have no Garrett Wilson so like what are we going to do here um how like what are we going to do here to to win this game and I don’t know I don’t see anything I don’t see I don’t see what the plan plan is at all no I I don’t either um would you would you agree I think Frankie said this to me yesterday in the postgame show he goes it felt like they were running the same offense but just without Garrett Wilson like they were running the same scheme. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I agree with that. Yeah. It’s just it doesn’t seem like they’re not doing it. Like did I did I I don’t remember if I talked about this I was thinking about this I think I was thinking about this with the defense recently. Did I talk about the Rex game against Denver on the podcast? No. No. Yeah. So in 2014 like we’re talking about when they didn’t have the quarterbacks, right? They played a hellish schedule to start the season. They played all these great quarterbacks and they played the Broncos with Pton Manning and that’s they had been the Super Bowl the year before and they won the Super Bowl the next year. So Rex knew like he had like Antonio Allen and Darren Walls at cornerback. I’m going to guess something like that, right? So he’s like we’re dead if we just go out and play our defense. So what he did is he dropped people. He dropped a ton of people in the coverage. So you’re like the Giant I know the Giants is a hot topic right now. They dropped eight at the end of the game. He was dropping eight into coverage because he knew if Pton Manning saw that he’d run the ball and Rex’s thing was like we might be able to keep this close if we make them run the ball. We’re going to be dead if Payton throws the ball with the guys we have. So he did that and he put Quinton Copel’s who was a defensive end. He lined him out on the wide receiver and he would jam the wide receiver. And years later I talked to Adam Gase. Adam Gase as the offensive coordinator and I talked to Adam Gase about that game because to me it was it was the best coach game I’ve ever covered and they and Gase said Pton came to the sideline and was like screaming at him like why didn’t you tell me they were going to do this and Gase is like how the hell would I know that they were going to do this and they were it really confused Payton and the Jets kept close they ended up Gino threw a pick six to Cube to leave if I remember right they kept the game close though and it was just remarkable but to me it was like they lost the game, but it was like, wow. Like, he tried something, right? Like, he looked at this game and said, if I if we just line up with our 11 versus their 11, they’re going to kick our ass. Like, we we’re gonna have to do something here. And it was great. It was like brilliant coaching. It was to me it was Rex’s best coaching Patriots game, playoffs, probably his best coaching moment, but this was this was up there to me because he didn’t have the horses. So, so with this offense right now, no Garrett, like, show me something. Come out and show me something different. They had the one trick play. I’ll give them that. They at least they tried something there. It didn’t work, but it was a touchdown if he if he hits Lazard there, right? It was. And it’s a great point by you guys. And I love that anecdote about the 2014 game against the Broncos because this I guess brings me to my my question about Aaron Glenn, right? Everything that you just highlighted about things he talked about in the offseason, in the training camp, about how they were going to use players, right? We’re going to coach them, like you said, we’re going to coach them like they’d never been coached before with Bruce Hall, with Justin Fields, and this offense, with a rookie offensive coordinator, mind you, and a defensive-minded head coach coming in his first time as a head coach. I It just is a It felt like a recipe for disaster. I tried to look on the bright side of it. Obviously, I was wrong, and I think you tried to keep me in check, and I give you credit for that. I really do. But this is where I really want to know where this franchise is going, right? 0 and7. They’re staring at the first pick in the draft right now. And it is literally bullseye right now. I don’t see many wins on this on the rest of the schedule, believe it or not. I know the Dolphins, they might win that game because the Dolphins are disaster right now, too. But Patriots are not beatable. They’re going to play the Bills again. The Browns have a good defense. I want people to understand that. And with the way this offense is currently playing right now and constructed, they’re not going to score many points against the Browns. So, I don’t see many wins on this ro on this schedule. In fact, I see probably one or zero. If Glenn finishes the season like this and it continues to be a disaster on offense, is that a fireable enough offense with how he’s handled this first year? If it’s one or zero, yeah, that that’s the scenario where I I see one and done being in play because it’s I think it’d be hard for Woody Johnson to to look at the paying customers and say we’re running it back. If it’s one win or zero wins, if he gets to two, I think you’re Yeah, he’s back. I I don’t think there’s going to be a strong desire to make a change after the season. It’s a I don’t know. It’s like a traumatic thing to an organization when you’re changing coaches and changing GMs and it’s a tough thing to go through and I like going through it two years in a row I don’t think is any anyone in the Jets wants to do that. So yeah, um it’s on the table because they have zero wins still, but I still think it’s highly unlikely. I do I get what you’re saying, but here’s the thing, Ryan, is the 0 and13 Jets beat the Rams in 2020, right? Um, there’s results every week that make you go, “Wow, in the NFL, I didn’t see that coming.” And so, yeah, on paper it’s rough, but the Jets can win some of these games. And I I think I still think they’re going to win some games. You are staying with it, man. I love it. You’re just It’s just the law of averages, right? Like, how many zero win teams are there? Uh, two, right? The Browns and the Lions. Yeah. And I think the Bucks had one one year with a tie, right? I think they they did way back. But yeah, it’s Yeah, not many. And so it’s it’s a tough thing. It’s a tough thing to do to to go winless. So it’s the NFL. Like they’re going to win some games. Some games. Uh um is it right though the fact that the fan like I I’ve I gotta be honest with you. I know fans were were way too reactive. I am irrational. I tried to be patient with this guy, but I think it’s because of, like you said, the arrogance that I heard from him in the preseason and in the training camp era uh time where he said, you know, again, all those things I just talked about and the way it’s it’s played out thus far and the way he’s mismanaged a lot of these games. Um, I think that’s what leaves a really sour taste in my mouth and the fact that this team has regressed and his his gamble on the quarterback position has miserably failed. Um, and that’s where I think it it could be a fireball offense is how he how you handle the quarterback position. Yeah, I I don’t see that as a fireball offense, that part of it, because Ry, like like I said, I don’t think anyone looked at it and went, “Okay, this is going to work out perfectly.” And like he didn’t mortgage the future for Justin Fields. He spent Woody Johnson’s money, but he it’s a two-year contract, and you know, I’d have to look closer like if they can even get out of it after this year. I think he’s probably back next year, but it’s not I don’t think that’s a fireball fence. I understand what they were thinking there. I actually thought it was the best option. You know, I wrote it back in December last year because it was looking at the quarterback options. I didn’t think they were good ones. And I thought I thought the ones like the reclamation pro projects were probably Fields, Daniel Jones, Sam Darnold, right? Daniel Jones and Sam Darnold weren’t going to work in this market because there weren’t going to be reclamation projects because every mistake they made was going to be about the past and Darnold wasn’t going to come back here. Daniel Jones maybe, but you know, he still would have been had that Giants cloud over him of what happened here. So, he needed to go somewhere to start fresh. So, Fields made sense to me. So, I I can’t say that’s a fireball fence. Um, you know, yeah, the the the the hard part of this, I think, for Glenn is I think everyone looked at it. They didn’t make a lot of moves this off seasonason. So, Fields is probably the biggest move that they made. And so it was a largely the same roster as last year uh with the obvious change at quarterback. No, Devonte Adams uh was a big one, but mostly the same. Uh DJ Reed swapped out for Brandon Stevens. So the difference like we were sold was, oh well the coaching is going to be different. Like that’s where the that’s where the improvement is going to come is like oh they were to terribly coached. They had all those penalties, right? like he when he was talking about penalties in the summer, he was talking about Salah and he thought he was asked about Will McDonald at one point. What’s the difference? He said coaching, right? So, he was taking shots at Salah and Bri and so that’s a that’s a dangerous game to play because you know you’re putting it on you and you’re saying you’re going to be better basically than those guys were. And I don’t know. Did you watch Sunday Night Football, Ry? I did. Yeah. Like five rookies for Robert Salah and that defense shut down Atlanta. doesn’t change what he did here as a head coach. I’m not saying that at all, but like I don’t I don’t think he’s as bad a coach as everyone made him out to be. Nope. Um and you know, I think he he he screwed up the quarterback position. You want to talk about the quarterback? He screwed up the quarterback position. He and Joe Douglas. Yeah. Uh and that that was what doomed him here. But you know, I don’t I don’t remember too many games where I was like, ah, Salah really screwed that game up. Like that was a tough like he really mismanaged that game. Um you know, one or two. actually against Detroit. I remember one that he messed up, but it was very few. So, um I think Yeah, I think we were banking on the coaching being better and and that hasn’t happened. Yeah, it really hasn’t. Um and I I think he has 10, you know, sorry, 11 more how 10 more opportunities here. 10 weeks, 11 weeks. 10 more games. That’s 10 games. 11 weeks. Season’s almost over. Season’s almost over. Um, I guess that this is really going to go down to though again if Woody Johnson is going to trust Aaron Glenn to draft that quarterback number one overall if they end up with the number one pick. Um, and then the worst thing could possible could happen is you repeat what the Bears and Titans just did like you pointed out on last week’s episode. So, yeah. And look, it has worked out for the Patriots, but they fired him after the season, right? Like I they did. Yeah, they did, but it was after, you know, after one season. So, the quarterback had one season quarterback, but they brought in an established head coach and a very established offensive coordinator, right? Like a Josh McDaniel. So, I think that’s the key there is like, yeah, if the Jets make a change after next year and they they they find a Rabel and a Josh McDaniels, like go for it. But but that doesn’t usually happen. So, uh, but yeah, no, I think that’s the the risk here is if you’re taking a quarterback number one or even number two or number three, uh, you you’re going to want him to have some continuity and you got to make make sure the coaching staff’s going to be here. So, should I be practicing more patience with this Jets front office and regime? Is that what you’re telling me ultimately here for this year? No, I’m not telling you that. You guys don’t You guys don’t need to practice patience. Like, fans don’t need to practice patience. like it’s you guys have I can almost swore um you guys have eaten a lot of garbage in the last 14 years and uh you know I’m starting to look up you know this is going to be this is looks like it’s definitely going to be a losing season I think we can say that right and 10 straight losing seasons is kind of hard to wrap your brain around and I was looking up this morning how many times that has happened and you know it’s happened it’s happened more than you think but It’s it’s brutal. Like this is this is uh a horrible horrible horrible just stretch of of football and Jets history. And you guys are sitting there spending, you know, you spend your time every Sunday. Some people spend their money going to the game. Some people spend money on jerseys, things like that. So, I’m not going to tell you to be patient. You guys don’t have to be. Now, Woody Johnson, he might have to be, but you you got I wouldn’t I’m not going to preach the fans. Well, look, it’s it this is under Woody Johnson’s regime. uh his tenure as an owner. Uh they have the Jets have more four- win seasons than actual winning season record seasons uh in his tenure as an owner. Um that’s that’s that is where we’re at as a franchise right now. And I just again I don’t see it getting any any better this year, especially now that the quarterback is completely bottom of mind. Do you think Tyrod Taylor starting against the Bengals this Sunday? Yeah, I do. Uh we’ll find out. I’m guessing we’ll find out Tuesday, Wednesday what the decision is, but yeah, I think he will. Um, you know, and look, it’s all about the quarterback, Ry. Like, we can dissect Aaron Glenn all we want. It’s about the quarterback. Like, you you look a lot better when you have a quarterback. And, you know, it’s that’s what this league is. You either have one or you don’t. Do you think there’s enough uh talent on this roster to be a winning team or with the quarter? Like, are they a quarterback away, I guess, is what I’m asking right now. from actually have a winning record, you know. Yeah. Yeah. Winning record. I think they could have a winning record with a good good quarterback, you know. I don’t think they’re a Super Bowl team. No, I don’t think they’re necessarily a quarterback away from a Super Bowl team, but yeah, I think they’re a quarterback away from being a good team. Okay. Uh I think because I think the I think the issues right now are just like there’s there’s no threat of a passing game, so defenses are selling out to stop the run. Uh, I think quarter the quarterbacks aren’t recognizing pre- snap stuff, blitzes, and the and so that’s making the offensive line look worse. So, I just think the ball they are. I think I mean it’s simplistic in the NFL to blame everything on the quarterback or give the quarterback credit, but to me right now the Jets problems are central to the quarterback position. It’s been a constant theme for over 15 years now. It feels like probably longer than that longer than that. If you want to go to Chad Bennington all the way to back to him, go back to 1976, right? if you really want to. I mean, Ken O’Brien played pretty well for a while. Chad Penn even played pretty well for a while. Other than that, you know, Mark Sanchez had amazing postseason runs, but other than that, it’s been a lot of rough football from the quarterback position. It has. Um, Vinnie, give Vinnie a shout out, too. Vinnie had a good Yep. I would give Vinnie a shout out as well. The last dis the last part I just want to ask you because the discourse obviously is one and done for Glenn. Um, do you trust him to pick the quarterback in the future and and give him patience to do this? the comparisons to the Lions, right? Everyone’s talking right now today I see on Jets social media is the Lions 2021 roster uh believe it or not did have talent and that Dan Campbell was lost in what he was doing because of how they started the season 09 and one or 010 and one whatever it was and he had Jared Goff already at that point. Um yeah you know I’m seeing they didn’t have a lot of go people around right so he had Amanra St. Brown, Jamal Williams. No, no, no, no. I thought Amra was a rookie in 2021. Was a rookie. Okay. So, they drafted him that that year for 2021. Okay. So, he had DeAndre Swift, Jamal Adams, uh Jamal Williams, uh Aman Rah, Khalif Raymond as his wide receiver, too. And they had TJ Hawinson, former first round pick as tight end. So, look, there was there was pieces there, right? But the offense, like you said, was they fired their OC Anthony Lynn at the end of the season. and Campbell. Yeah, I see Tom Pelisero tweeting out, you know, Dan Campbell, they started the season 0 and6 and yeah, that Goff needs to play better. I don’t see it with Justin Fields. So, I I No, like look look like Jared Goff, let’s be clear here. Jared Goff had a lot better resume than Justin Fields by, you know, he he was in the Super Bowl with the Rams and he had some good times with the Rams. things got sour there which was a little strange at the end between him and McVey but he had a good run uh with the Rams like Justin Fields has not had anywhere near the success that Jared Goff had right so the comparison right for I guess Glenn is going to continue to paint that picture of look I’ve been through hard times in 2021 when we were at the Lions and we started 010 and one whatever it’s like okay but you had more talent everywhere else besides the quarterback that you chose to go with mind and and it’s gotten worse offensively and it’s gotten worse as a team from last year to this year. Yeah. I don’t love the comparison things. Uh Salah did this too. I I don’t know if people remember this, but Salah always drew the comparison to San Francisco, right? That San Francisco they I think they lost their first nine games with Kyle Shanahan. That look like that would be 2017, right? 2017 49ers. They were bad. 2017 49ers were bad. 2018 49ers were bad. Then 2019 49ers went to the Super Bowl. Salah pointed to that. Salah pointed to Jacksonville where he was felt like he was part of the turnaround in Jacksonville even though I think they actually had success the year after he was fired. Uh he and like Gus Gus Bradley were fired. Uh Seattle, he was part of the turnaround there. So like Salo has kind of pointed to this is like I’ve done this before. I think every situation is different. Um unless you’re like Bill Parcels’s like you know what I mean? and like you’re you’ve proven you can go in places and turn things around. I think it’s hard to make that case if you were an assistant coach somewhere where it happened. It’s an interesting point from you cause uh the the 49ers started 6 and 10 and 4 and 12 Shanahan’s first two years with the What was their record to start the 17 season? Uh their Yeah, I do. Uh their record to start that year like how many before they won a game? Yep. Uh standby. So they had 01, 02, 03, 04, 0 and5, 0 and6, 0 and7, 0 and8, 0 and n to start the year before they won their first game against the Giants. Yeah. So Shann Shanahan’s a guy that people point to as well as he, oh look, he started 0 and9. He’s great coach. So yeah, like it can happen, but there’s a lot of instances where the turnarounds never happened, too. So no one points to those ones. Yeah. So I think every situation is different. Um, so I I’m not I’m not like in that camp that the Detroit thing necessarily means anything for here. So maybe we’ll see. Uh I I’m looking forward to seeing Ka the coverage this week to see how what they had how they handle this quarterback situation. Uh yeah, I want to start talking draft with you soon because I think I know you don’t want to hear that, but that’s the truth, man. We’re at We’re at that point now where October It’s not even Halloween and we’re talking draft and we’re talking quarterback prospects. Yeah. Every damn year. Every damn year we’re talking draft. Happy anniversary, K. We appreciate you, man. Thank you. Uh look, we’ll talk to you later this week. Uh I’m sure there’s going to be a lot more to talk about as the week progresses, but we appreciate you, man, always coming on and giving us your latest and insight on all this. All right. Thanks, Rock.

Brian Costello & Ryan Sampson react to Aaron Glenn being noncommittal to Justin Fields and Tyrod Taylor at QB. They discuss the state of the offense after another week of not being able to score a TD and if Aaron Glenn is heading towards being one and done as head coach of the Jets.

Timecodes**
00:00 Intro
1:35 Glenn Benches Fields
3:41 Who will start at QB next week?
7:47 Decisions with the Offense make no sense
11:56 Breece Hall’s Usage is Worrisome
17:27 Is Glenn One & Done?
27:35 Stop Comparing This Team to Lions

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