What can the Browns do to put Dillon Gabriel in the BEST POSITION TO SUCCEED against the Patriots?

What can the Browns do to put Dillon Gabriel in the BEST POSITION TO SUCCEED against the Patriots?

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— phrased the topic description on the coming up today slate. It simply said unlocking Dylan Gabriel. Now mind you, we have a certain amount of characters that fit on a graphic. So the question actually is, and we can start with you. What can the Browns, what can Kevin Steansky, what can Tommy Reese do to put Dillon Gabriel in a best position to succeed against the New England Patriots? I mean, it’s very little because the coach is not good enough, the the talent around him is not good enough, and most importantly, he’s not good enough. I think I’m judging based on 3 games, it’s all we got. But other than that, other than that, yeah, everything’s great. Um, again, there’s 0 signs through 3 games that he’s anything more than a A run of the mill, lower tier starter slash top backup at best, uh, that’s all the ammunition we have is 3 games, so that’s all I can judge by. He doesn’t do anything special. Uh, I don’t know that there’s any really good quarterbacks that don’t have any special traits. And so it’s hard to believe he’s gonna be any good, but then again, it’s it’s just so hard to say because the talent around him is just so poor. It looks it looks like Judy’s gonna play. Which is good. I mean, even though he hasn’t been good, is that good? I mean, he’s still their best receiver. Yeah, right. I don’t think jumping up and down that he’s gonna be out there. Uh, the rest of their receivers are really not NFL players. I don’t think they have another NFL player in their wide receiver room. And it looks like the Joeku has a decent chance to come back. So, and Conklin’s gonna play probably. So they’re as healthy as they can be. Obviously you want to run the ball like you did last week, but last week you ran the ball a lot because you were winning and because the team you were playing was a joke. This week, the team you’re playing is at least solid, if not very good. And because of the weather, I think they ran it right. It was all, it was all of the above, but they mostly ran it in the second half because they were winning. And so it’s gonna be hard to protect him. He’s got to make some plays. You’re the quarterback. You gotta make some plays, and so far he hasn’t. I agree with with your premise for the most part. There’s not, what are you gonna do? I mean, you’re not gonna go out and sign new players. Um, the line might be a little healthier. I think that will help. It will be, I think it’ll be better with Conklin back because, yeah, I mean he’s, he is one of the guys that could make a — difference if it was anybody
— other than one hole, yeah, which is good, um, so I do think. That that helps, but at this point in the game, the groceries are in the pantry. It, it is what it is. Uh, the one thing that I would disagree with you on, Bull is I, I, I wish we were as a group of fans and analysts. I wish we would hold our powder a little longer. On the and I know it’s, I know that we only got 3 games, but I would say this. Did anybody after 3 years think Sam Darnold had any good qualities to him? Well, — Sam
— was a first round pick. Thank you. I know he was, but, but what makes it even more, it drives my point home even more. He had done something at the collegiate level to make NFL teams believe that he was going to be a. Tremendous quarterback and the fact of the matter is he wasn’t. — And so
— he’s still not though, Jay, he’s just OK. — Like
— everybody, — all
— the way, all the look at the second chance people were championing Geno Smith. How’s he looking now? He’s about to be benched. I wasn’t a lot of people now the next guy is Sam Darnold. He’s been OK. He was good last year and then he flamed out when it mattered. Here’s the difference. He’s been OK. — like a total bust
— and he looked like he was unserviceable like couldn’t work in any offense. And now he looks like a serviceable NFL quarterback. So I think to, to judge and not just Sam Darnold or I mean, excuse me, of course it’s not too early to judge. Yeah, yeah, and I get it. I know we only have 3 games and I understand that, but I just, the blanket statements to me, and I know that’s what we do. are really rough. I hope that we give Shadoor Sanders the same grace. When he gets in there, I hope after 3 games, we’re not blanket state, whatever it is for him. On the other hand, we have seen it the other way. They were talking about a number of quarterbacks over the last couple of years, and this goes, you can go back 10 years, um, go back to RG3. Now granted, he had an injury, but there are guys that have success and look like they’re gonna be a perennial Pro Bowl player and then all of a sudden you’re watching them and you’re like, what happened? What in the world has happened to this guy? I think what the NFL is more than anything is it’s ebbs and flows. They get tape on a guy. They figure out how to attack him. He takes a step back. Strout is the guy to me that’s the biggest example of that. But even Jay Daniels, you know, I know that I know he’s been hurt. I know he’s been hurt, but when he’s, I, I had him on my fantasy team last year, so I watched virtually every snap. I don’t have him this year, but I’ve watched him because I like his style of play and I like the player. But I’ve watched him a number of times this year and I’m like, What is he doing right there? He has regressed. It’s with his decision making. It’s with just different things where he doesn’t look the same. So I think my point here is, although I generally agree with your statement, like you’re not gonna, if you’re not having success through the air, it’s not like the ground is gonna save the day. It is what it is. But I do think in terms of just the overall statement that Gabriel isn’t it and has no skill set and. He might end up being mid. We don’t know that yet, and I just wish everybody would, and not just on him but on everybody, just kind of give these kids a chance. He’s 3 games into his NFL career. Every time I’ve said that, I qualify myself. I know it’s not fair. It’s, I get it. The odds, listen, the odds are he’s not gonna be good because. Most of the quarterbacks are first round picks. I’ll give you that, you know, I will definitely give you that. Odds are he’s never, he’s gonna be a, you know, we’ve said it all year. The, their quarterback of the future isn’t on this roster. And that’s just playing the odds. So you know, is a 3rd round pick gonna hit? Not, not as likely as you’re gonna get a hit in the 1st round, and they’re going to draft a quarterback in the 1st round somewhere next year. So the development of these kids, you’re just spinning your wheels because in all likelihood their playing time is going to come to an end at the end of the year you just contradicted yourself because you just said slow the brakes on the 3rd round, but then you said. Gonna skip over the 5th round and then we’re gonna draft. No, it’s logical if, if, if it’s if it’s less likely that a 3rd rounder is gonna be the guy than a 1st rounder, it’s even more or less likely that the 5th rounder is gonna be the guy when the 3rd rounder wasn’t. I’m not saying that he won’t be. What I’m saying is a bull’s point, it’s not rolling dice at this point and you’re figuring what the odds are of getting a hit in the 3rd round, and they’re not great. Now you. Go through the pantheon of NFL quarterbacks, you’re gonna find a lot of successful quarterbacks that came not in the first round, so 2nd, 3rd, and beyond, but percentage wise a much smaller percentage. That’s it. And that’s what the NFL draft is. Your likelihood of hitting on a 1st round pick is whatever it is, 75%. In the second round, it’s 62%. There’s a number on it and and hit or miss is subjective too, but in general, you’re not going to hit. Home run at 3rd round and it’s even less likely you’re gonna hit one — out of the 5th round but
— they could have took a 1st round quarterback. They could have absolutely they could have. They didn’t feel like that that was what they wanted to do or they, — they felt
— like that or that he wasn’t there, that that that he wasn’t there. And so far Cam Ward is like even if they had the #1 pick, if they had the #1 pick, they probably would have taken Cam Ward. They did have where would we be? They did have 2. They did. They didn’t Jackson Dark, they could have took him, but they didn’t like him. right now it doesn’t look good for Cam Ward. I haven’t honestly watched him, so I don’t know, but so far he’s been terrible. Like the Browns, he’s in a, he’s in a pretty bad situation too. There’s go. I want you to go. There’s there’s a whole case study to be done on quarterbacks going to bad teams and then. Coaches get fired and now there’s misalignment and more times than not, — that’s how these guys wind up and
— then the quarterbacks in a second system in year — two or I mean in Baker’s case who was I know I don’t 3
— offensive coordinators, 3. It was Hugh and then it was Freddie and then it was Kevin. So he had 3 head coaches in his first what, 34 years something like that, not fertile breeding that is, that is recipe for this and now Cam’s gonna go through it. He will. — I
— already gone through it just like I also don’t put Baker in the same group as Geno Smith and Sam Darnold. Because he was the number one pick. No, because he had some level of success. Well, — those guys were complete
— zeroes. Yeah, they, there was nothing redeeming about any of those guys. It’s that we, we’ve debated for years how much success he had here, but he certainly had a level. Nobody would. Yeah, there was reason to think that there’s something there. 4 different teams called his name, essentially, I think, I think what the thing that we’re making the mistake of is we’ve been told so much. How much they like Dillon Gabriel here in their walls, um, that we’ve kind of conflated that their like or affinity to him to guys that were first round picks like he doesn’t have he doesn’t, he doesn’t have Baker’s arm. He doesn’t have Baker’s competitive nature. He does. Sam Darna was a bona fide blue chip 6 ft. 4 or 5 type dude from USC Lamar Jackson is electorate. Josh Allen was like these guys had visible traits that are sitting there to, to me, he does, you know, he’s a really good college quarterback, right? But when you talk about physically, he doesn’t have those things, so yeah, yeah, Bull said it, there’s a lot of teams, you gotta have one good, you gotta have one thing. If you want to be a starting quarterback, you gotta have something that you can do that you can just lean on. If you don’t have that to lean on, you gotta have pieces and parts and the coaching staff to help you lean on those things. For me, I look at Dillon Gabriel and we just get down to to the the play. So you take a look at. There was, uh, me and Tyvis broke down the film. We looked at it and what we found was there are, there are some plays to be had and he there was a there was a route on the backside of a route where there was a dig and then there was a post and Tyvis paused and he said, in the college, this right here, this don’t look like this is this is looks like a situation where this is backed up. Guys is over this, but in the league, that’s open. So I think he’s having a trouble with figuring out what’s open and what’s not open. And this is a comment from Tommy Reese, right? Uh, Daniel Fusi, uh, says this. He says, um, Brown’s offensive coordinator Tom Reese is trying to unlock the passing game. He says, we just got to trust it. We gotta put Dillon in the right spots to see the coverage. Trust what he’s seeing. Let it go. This that starts with his coaches. We gotta put him in the right positions. We gotta put him in the right positions during the week to make sure he’s confident in those plays throughout training camp. Throughout the preseason, he was not trigger shy on that stuff. So that’s hesitant to that tells me from the offensive coordinator, he’s hesitant to make those throws and so the offense is stagnant because you got to throw that those type plays in order to open other things up. So I think he’s a little uh gun shy. I think the speed of the game. Whether you want to say he’s a rookie or a supercomputer, it’s a different level. So we’ll see how he has it or what he goes through, but he’s gonna have to make himself have some plays available where he’s able to let it go and flow and trust it, right? — He
— can’t, they, they, you know, in college, especially in Oregon with all the talent they have, like in most games guys, his receivers are gonna be wide open. That doesn’t happen in the NFL. The other thing wide open. In the Stefansky offense, like the thing he hates and everybody, every NFL head coach hates it. The turnovers and perhaps it’s been drilled into a young player’s head so much. The worst thing you can do is throw an interception. Well, that might be the worst thing you can tell a young quarterback because if that’s, if, if he’s terrified of throwing an interception and he just watched Joe Flacco throw 5 and get traded. I can see how a young kid would process that as I’m not throwing the ball unless I’m sure my guy’s gonna catch it or no one’s gonna catch it. — I can’t imagine Kevin’s harder than any other coach about
— no I don’t think — he
— is, but all head coaches preach that. — What did you say Mike
— Chicago last year it was a disaster was a disaster. Caleb Williams talked about it, uh, when Ben Johnson, one of the things Ben Johnson told Caleb, and he did a really, I forget who he did the interview with but worth watching. He said, I was scared to make tight windows because Matt Ebert told me a turnover was gonna get me bench essentially. And Ben Johnson, Caleb, you’re special. You can make throws that other guys can’t make you have to take some risks to be able to get the reward. Don’t be reckless. — There’s a fine line between
— reckless, — and
— Matt
— had told Caleb, hey. — Don’t turn the ball over and
— it got him fired, by the way coach got fired. — I do think that
— he’s not doing that. I can’t imagine. I don’t think and I don’t think Ebers actually said don’t throw interceptions, you’ll get benched. I think he was preaching so. Much that we cannot have interceptions that that’s the way he translated translated it and I go why a young player would think. The thing that’s interesting about that is I did the story on it last year. Ben’s the one who at his introductory press conference said turnovers used to be the, the most important stat. It’s not anymore. It’s quarterback success. It’s getting into some of the advanced in the weeds on that. But the only reason and so it goes back to what Mike was saying, he’s the guy who’s now married with Caleb Williams to. Don’t worry about interceptions. If you throw a couple, that’s OK, which goes back to the conversation I had with Mike Martz. I know we’ve talked about it before. Mike told me I would much rather have a guy who would try and throw it through an ear hole and risk a pick than a guy who’s afraid to turn it over because I can’t do anything with that. I can rein a guy in. I can’t put a guy out there, — so he liked the more aggressive where the
— Bears are this year too, but, but to the more important, like back to the Gabriel discussion. He wasn’t supposed to play. He’s not supposed to be playing right now. The Browns had a plan for quarterback for 24 hours. That’s it. That’s it. They had a plan for 24 hours. Jimmy told you they drove home from the draft Friday night. Thinking either Kenny Pickett or Joe Flacco was their starter, whichever one wasn’t the starter was the backup, and Dylan was the 3rd quarterback. You could bring him along slowly, not probably going to play behind two veterans, and that was going to be their quarterback room for 24 hours, and then they took Shaddor and they threw a grenade in the room, and now Dylan’s the starter. Shaddoor’s the backup and Baileysay is in town. And the two veterans are nowhere to be found. So everybody has a plan until they get hit in the mouth. I mean, but the Browns hit themselves in the mouth. It was self-inflicted. — They did it to themselves and
— maybe it all works out in the end. Maybe they figure it all out. Maybe it all works out, but I’m just saying don’t believe that I have to say it, yeah. For my sake, can’t, can’t get, don’t wanna get sued, got, got to put it out there. But for like, think about it for 24 hours they had a plan at quarterback and then they blew up their own plan. But, but to the original rundown question, it was really more about the Patriots are stout against the run. And how do you unlock or what do you do if you can’t run the ball? — And my answer to that is keep
— running the ball, keep doing it. — You can’t
— get, you can’t give up on the run too soon, which is what they’ve done. You can’t put Kevin’s issue with. It has 100%. He’s given up on the run. We’ve seen it over the years. Most recently was Pittsburgh, but he’s done it. Two years ago as well, but I mean if, if Dylan is dropping back 50 times Sunday in New England, it’s a loss guarantee. So you, I mean you have to go two tight end sets. The Joker sounds like he’s gonna be back. That’s a good thing. Go to 3 tight ends. Bring Luke Whipper in as the 3rd tight end as as the extra blocker if you have to go to 13 personnel. Whatever you have to do, you have got to keep trying to establish the run. You Quinshawn can’t leave this game with 11 or 12 carries or it’s gonna be a disaster. Yeah, Leroy punched on that too. Leroy was like, look, it doesn’t matter yards per carry, it doesn’t matter. It, it matters how many times you run the ball. — I would push
— back a little. I mean, I know you an NFL running back. I’m not gonna tell him. I, I don’t want to sound that way, but I just, I, I think if you’re running 1st down, 2nd down, 3rd down, and you got. You’re facing 3rd and 8th. Well, guess what? The yards per carry matters. Well, but he also, and this was funny, but he also gave us a math problem. He said, OK, you’re averaging 3 yards per carry. What’s 4 times 3? Yeah, but you’re, yes, but are you gonna go? But you gonna go for you if you want them. — 4th and
— 1 from your own 28. Are you gonna go for that? No. Or the problem with that math problem is not ideal, you’re not gonna get, you’re not gonna get 4 yards. You’re not gonna get 3 yards on every. but the average yards at 4 on 1, 23 carries he had 3. — But
— here’s the beauty of that, and this I think was Leroy’s point. If you’re rolling dice and you only roll them 3 times, don’t expect to get your number. But if you keep rolling dice and you keep rolling dice, you increase the opportunity and the odds that you do break that long run, which then skews your average. It’s funny because the league is built on analytics now, but really the most basic of equations is the 4 x 3 equation. It really is. I mean, you don’t need to average 5 yards of carry. Here’s another equation that defensive coordinators all around the world know. Uh, it’s a numbers game. I’m gonna put more people than you have to block. The quarterback does not block. The running back can’t block for wild. So we’re gonna snap it to you, but I got 9 dudes up there and if it’s Jerry Judy out here, and listen, you, if you telling me it’s Jerry Judy on a hobbled knee and it’s Quinhaw Jenkins, I come out in goal line. You be mad at me. That Quinhaw Jenkins would not get no, yeah, he’s good. He ain’t Barry Sanders. We we gonna make him be Walter Payton today and, — and we gonna
— shut that down. And that’s what Mike. that’s what to do. If you, if Jerry Judy want or Jamari Thrash and he come out with a career day, you shake his hand and say Jamari Thrash just wrecked us today. But and you’ll still have your best corner on Judy, I guess, but depending on how they play is a damn good stunately don’t. Receiver. So he speaks the truth. I mean, that’s it. receiving snakes. I actually argued at the beginning of the season that maybe the Browns wouldn’t have the worst receiving card, but they do. Oh yeah, I thought Jerry Judy would be a lot better. We’ve also changed around because Judy, I, we were talking as Judy a wide receiver one and I’m like, no, he’s terrible. Well, coming into the year he was, yeah, but this was even like week 3. I’m like, well, listen, I still think he’s a decent receiver in the right set of circumstances, decent. Uh, but obviously these are not the right set of circumstances. He’s having a terrible year. He’s been terrible, and that’s why he never belonged in the all-pro conversation. Johnson Johnson a free agent or something? — Didn’t he I don’t even get drafted
— 5th round. I’ll look it up. I think he was out of Oregon, right? Is that the guy from Oregon? Yeah, that’s yeah, yeah. How, how, how, — how it’s a lot easier when you’re
— the 4th or 5th option and you have a good quarterback. Johnson’s like the 2nd option. He’s he was what? 7th rounder. Now they went to see Dylan Gabriel how many times? They didn’t see Johnson even throw to him. And Typhuss, who, you know, knows something about wide receiver play, said he was the guy they most wanted to see the Browns draft. Can I, can I give one pushback on real real quick, and it’s worked out. He waited at the combine, according to NFL.com, at 158.3 pounds. OK. — There has to be
— one, right? I mean, what’s, he’s he’s had touchdowns in two straight games, I believe. I could be wrong. — What are
— his stats the last two weeks, Mike? It is loading 10 catches, 10 yards, and 2. OK, so let’s not get carried away more than our wide receiver. Jerry Judy? Jerry Judy is the number one guy. Te 5. Now he’s got more touches. — They’re not an Apple
— labels. Uh, — by
— the way, you don’t think Jerry Judy as as bad as he’s been, don’t you think he’d be playing better if he were on the Buccaneers? Probably, OK, — that’s what I’m saying he
— be playing for. — What’s
— that. But, by the way, yes, you can look at every other wide receiver on — the
— if they drafted Gabriel in the 3rd round, the Browns are not. They don’t have a size ranking. Like the size doesn’t matter to the Cleveland Browns. They bring in who they bring in. Gerald McNeil way, the ice, he was about a buck 60. Even Sterling Shepherd’s been decent for Tampa Bay. Yeah, — like whoever they put in there
— contributes. It helps when you got a good quarterback, right? Jay, listen, you took the words right out of my mouth, McNuggets. Look at his face. — You and
— offensive line. Look at your face. — Got to see a picture
— with the victory. We know what it is. We know what we got to see it. I do love this though. This is this is. Funny because Ball’s rooting for him now allegedly, right? And then he, but what was funny was when they, you know, they, they got boat raced really by Detroit. It wasn’t a good night at all, and I know he’s down all of his wide receivers, — but Baker
— regress he kicked in the door to check. You know what’s funny trash again. I do a show. I do a I do a podcast with, with Brandon Stokely Super Bowl Stokely. And, and we recorded on Thursday nights and we, we picked games, right? So last night I picked, I was, I told him I, you know, one of my picks, my best bet or my second best bet was taking the Buccaneers and I said Baker hasn’t played consecutive bad games since going to Tampa Bay, as much as that pains me to admit, — but he did play lousy last week and I did Brandon
— pick Detroit. No, — he didn’t pick
— that game to the Saints this weekend. Oh, I see this weekend, yeah, well, — this weekend
— it’s my best bet this week and maybe I’m biased, although, you know, I crap on my team as much as any. I love the Bengals are less than a touchdown favorite against the Jets. I mean, I mean, — I see that is that in
— New York? No, no, it’s in Cincinnati. Wow, I know that’s stealing. That’s stealing. Yeah, even Taylor is not 100% plus I don’t think Garrett Wilson’s playing and I don’t think um. What’s his name? Their best corner, Sauce Gardner. I don’t think he’s playing either. Uh, it’s so bad. — I picked up the Bengals’
— defense. I know, and their defense stinks. They’re horrible, — but against
— the Jets, I mean, and just the fact that, you know, we lived this two years ago. Flacco now has his mojo going. Yeah for a couple of weeks, yeah, who knows what happens after 4 or 5 games, but he’s in that zone right now. He had a great sound bite in, in this week’s media about eating by himself. If you didn’t see it, he said he used to see guys eating in bars or restaurants by themselves and, and feel very sorry for them. But now that he’s by himself and doing that a lot because his family is back in New Jersey, he said, I, I now realize those people were actually in heaven, and that made me laugh. Well, it was what was funny is later in the week they asked Jamar Chase. They were like, Do you like eating by yourself? And he Jamar Chase was like, Are you crazy? I don’t eat by myself ever, you know, in a restaurant, it was pretty, you know, shows the difference in age, right? I love eating by myself. Yeah, — when
— you’re 20 it’s the worst thing in the world uncomfortable. by myself, so wear a shirt that says I have no friends. That’s basically what you’re doing. But when you are, when you get older and, and, and quiet alone time is very rare, hell yeah, eat a meal by yourself can be one of the greatest things ever. — I went to the movies by
— myself. You’re allowed doing that? What do you mean? You’re allowed doing that? What do you mean? Like for my wife, man, you listen, there’s no way Je Bush is allowed. Listen, I want if I gotta go to the gas station at 10 o’clock, she like, where we going? Really? Let me get my bag. No, no, no. What we doing? Where are we going? What have you done? you haven’t yet won her trust. Lucy, ain’t no such thing as winning no trust with no Filipino woman.

Cleveland Browns rookie Dillon Gabriel has been subpar at best in his first three games as the starting QB. Gabriel has completed less than 60% of his passes and just three touchdowns in three games, and has a 4.3 yards per throw average. With one game remaining before the bye week, UCSS discusses what Dillon Gabriel can do on Sunday to help the Browns beat the Patriots and support his own case if he wants to be Cleveland’s long-term option at QB.

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