LIVE TUESDAY 10/21 at 1PM: Dolphins Deep Dive w/ Chris Perkins & Dave Hyde

LIVE TUESDAY 10/21 at 1PM: Dolphins Deep Dive w/ Chris Perkins & Dave Hyde

Your heart [Music] [Music] [Applause] la. [Music] I got [Music] you. [Music] Baby [Music] [Music] [Applause] la. [Music] The Mike McDaniel countdown has been put on hold for a week, but will it stay on hold after Sunday’s game at Atlanta? What’s going on, Dolphins fans? Welcome to this week’s edition of Dolphins deep dive with Perk. I am Chris Perkins, your host, your Miami Dolphins columnist for the South Florida Suns Sentinel. That is Dave Hyde, your columnist for the South Florida Sun Sentinel. Hyde, did you think we would be at this place? One and six and and and wondering about Mike McDaniel’s job security. My goodness. uh at 0 and3 I did at July 1st I didn’t I didn’t think there you know I didn’t think this would be a uh on the table and I certainly wished it wasn’t on the table um uh because we’ve been here so there’s some muscle memory involved in this from previous seasons where you’re wondering is he going to make it and then he’s not going to make it and when do they when do they what do they how do they who do they replace you know So, we’re we’re all the same questions. Um, and they’re all ugly. Yeah. Is there there there’s scars and and scar tissue and and calluses and and just all kinds of things here. Hi. And here we are again. Uh, we’d like to welcome all of our viewers watching this show on YouTube. We want to remind you that if you miss any part of this show, you can catch the podcast on Apple, Amazon, Spotify, or wherever you get your podcast. We would also like you to know that um you can catch our weekly newsletter, the Finn Splash, by scanning the QR code that is being shown on your screen. And we also welcome our want our viewers to uh leave something in our chat, a thought, a question, a comment. It is the best place to get intelligent dolphins conversation. So Dave, hi. Um what we’re going to talk about today is why hasn’t Mike McDaniel been fired? What’s going on with Tua? 11 touchdowns and 10 interceptions. My goodness. And then when is it time to turn the page and look ahead for this Dolphins team at 1 and six? You would think that this season is pretty much over. So there you go. Look at that baby. Visual that graphics department is paying off for us, baby. The props. I like it. I like it. So we’re going to talk about all of that and more. As we always say on here, there’s an ocean of possibilities. Let’s dive in. All right. Hyde. So, the question, why hasn’t Mike McDaniel been fired? McDaniel is now a 500 coach in the regular season with the Dolphins. He’s 29 and 29. He’s 29 and 31 overall, including his 0 and2 record in the playoffs. I think I do have one reason that Mike McDaniel has not been fired yet. Steve Ross, you know that he wants to exercise some patience. uh he doesn’t want to cycle through coaches one after the next after the next after three years after four years. He also likes the unity in the building that Chris Greer and Mike McDaniel have brought. Everybody’s pulling on the same rope. Having said all of that, it’s a losing venture hide. I don’t know what he’s doing here. And I’ll say this, I do think that right now it’s time to make the change. And and the number one reason I think that players need to hear a different voice. The number two reason is I think that Steve Ross needs to show players, fans, people in that building that he’s not tonedeaf, that he recognizes that there’s a problem here and that he’s doing something to correct the problem. So a few weeks ago, I wasn’t sure. All I had said was Mike McDaniel shouldn’t come back next season. Now I’m saying I think this is the time to make the coaching change. When do you think it’s time? Why do you think it hasn’t been done yet? Well, I I don’t think it’s been done yet. Um I mean, it’s hard to get into Steve Ross’ mind why he brought We can go back Joe Filman back, why he fired Brian Flores, why he why he brought McDaniel and Greer back this year. I mean there are some things that I would have done differently but um two reasons I think one is just that he’s patient as you mentioned and the second you want to give a a the interim coach whoever that is and and there you go that that’s another issue who’s going to be the interim coach but um whoever it would be give them a fair chance and the fair chance isn’t going to Atlanta against the number one rushing defense or number one rushing offense and number one defense um for yardage and top 10 and scoring and expect anything different than what we’ve seen um without really any chance to practice. So you look for breaks in the season. One is after the following game against Buffalo where they play on a Thursday night. They’d have an extended week. I think that would be a landing spot or after the buy in another month. and and I I got to be honest, I can’t see a big change coming from um a coaching change right now. The the interim coaching typically works helps for a week, maybe two, as emotions change, but then you settle into the the the roster. What you have is what you have. And I will say if if McDaniel goes, Greer should go immediately at the same time because I’ve always thought they’re joined at the hip. That was a partnership. And for as you know, Mike Mike’s got a lot of questions because of a one and six season, but Greer to me has the equal amount of questions in in how they got here. Yeah, I I I would agree that that Greer is has got to go. Um, and you know, look, the mid-season GM change is not it’s not common in the NFL, but these aren’t common times for the Dolphins. So, I wouldn’t have a problem with that. They do have an assistant GM, Marvin Allen, who could take over for the rest of the year and and then at the end of the year, uh, you conduct a a big search for a new GM and for a new head coach. Hi, you know, we’ve been there before before, Perk. We’ve we’ve seen it all, haven’t we? We have. We have. I know it, man. We We’ve got the scars to prove it. Um I when you talk about making a change here, uh you know, there’s there’s been the exception that Steve Ross has put out that, you know, he wants to be patient with Mike McDaniel except if fans don’t if fans stop showing up. We did see in the last home game against the Chargers like patches of six or eight empty seats, uh you know, mostly in the upper deck. if they lose against Atlanta, you know, they play four days after that Thursday night at home against Baltimore, I think you would see even more empty seats in in that game. Uh, and then at that point, I I wonder if it gets driven home to Steve Ross that, hey, the fans have have kind of quit on this team. Uh, I had a friend of mine, Hyde, who told me that this season his season tickets went up from $275 a piece in 2024 to $500 a piece in 2025. And he said season ticket renewal time is coming up in about a month. Is that something that could spur Steve Ross if there are empty seats against Baltimore and season ticket renewal time coming up on the heels of the Baltimore game? Is that something that could spur Steve Ross into action? Immediate action, do you think? I I guess we have to take him at his word, right? I mean, I thought it was a kind of an odd thing to say in in a in the statement that that fans showing up to games would be something that thumbs up or thumb. It’s like the Roman coliseum, you know, how many thumbs up, how many thumbs down. Um, you know, but I’ll take him at his word that if fans don’t show up, that will play into the decision. Um, but again, I I said Buffalo on Thursday, but yeah, it’s Baltimore, they play on Thursday. And again, I come I come to spots where you you you want to give the interim coach a chance to, you know, change the direction of a little of the team and the season and the and the emotion inside the team a little and you know just a normal work week is probably too tight um to do that. But you know, desperate times, desperate measures um you know the question becomes perk, what do you Do you write out the season like this? You you said fire them now, so I guess you’re against that. Um, yeah. You know, this would be the most organic tank of them all. It it would I you know, to me, you don’t make the change because you have hopes of reviving the season. You make the change because players have stopped listening to Mike McDaniel. the last two losses, you know, you blow a 17 to nothing lead at Carolina, one of the worst teams in the league. Then the last game, you lose the lead in the final minute of the game, the last 46 seconds or whatever it was. What’s it going to be this week? How much lower can it get? Um, you know, I have said that I think that the players like Mike McDaniel. I think the players respect Mike McDaniel, but at some point the players are going to stop listening to Mike McDaniel. I think we’re at that point. I think we’ve seen the last couple of weeks, the shoddy play that we saw last week high errors in in offense, defense, special teams. Um, you know, Tua saying they’re still having organizational issues. What it’s it’s come on. You’re you’re halfway through the season. Guys have been here for two, three years. How can you still have personnel issues on what personnel package is going out there? who when how quickly the play gets to the huddle, those types of things that that’s training camp type of stuff. And to me, it it kind of points to these players have started to tune out Mike McDaniel that they look and they say, “All this talent that we’ve had, he’s a 500 coach. We haven’t won a playoff game. We had a losing record last year. We’re going to have a losing record this year.” And they start to lose faith in Mike McDaniel. Again, I think they like and respect him, but they’re not going to be listening to him. That’s the point that I think that we’re at right now. Well, I I think I the first sign of it to me was in Cleveland of that where, as you said, uh I mean, there were so many fundamental errors, pre- snap, uh you know, effort. I don’t know. The defense had effort after Judkins ran 10 times for 71 yards on him. I mean, so, um, but I will say the week before, let’s let’s be fair, the week before they’re down to the Chargers, uh, 13 points in the fourth quarter and they come back and take the lead. So, it’s not, again, I don’t think it’s been a it wasn’t a problem I noticed till last week when, you know, just things were missing. Something was missing. Um, now Terron Armstead, who was with the team the previous few years, said on a podcast after the Chargers game, there was none of that winning vibe that uh that he’s used to seeing from them. And um, let’s face it, this is when you’re one and five, one and six. Um, this is when seasons sink and everybody points to somebody and and um, look, when when when Mike was winning the first year with with and they were putting on a show the second year um, he was quirky and funny and the unoo coach that everybody thought this is be great if it works. Now he’s just an oddball. And and that’s what happens when you lose. All all the good things that people say about you on when you’re winning get turned around and the same things just don’t work anymore. And and from his uh different speech pattern to his outfits to um you know just the way he conducts himself now that’s that that’s a bad thing now. Yeah. Yeah. It’s the the the um the uh the Ivy League education, the Capri pants. It’s all being used against him now by fans. The things that made him unique now are are, you know, putting that big L on his on his forehead. And that’s kind of the way it goes. He He knows he signed up for this, though. That’s the good thing about Mike. Mike McDaniel. Yeah. He has not sung the the you know, the fans are so unfair song. He He knows what he got into. He’s taking it like a man. And I do have a certain amount of respect for that. So, um, you know, Mike isn’t acting like this is unfair or he’s been caught off guard or been caught by surprise by this. He’s very aware of what’s going on here. So, I I will tip my hat to him uh for for that. He hasn’t tried to play the woe is me type of a card. Um, before we go on, let’s say what’s up to some of our uh viewers out here. Roger Alman uh 5884, what’s up? Billy Batson, Marvel, uh, Peter McDow, Tim Corey, Dead Streak, Ender Fireplace, YT 3306, Danny Martin, uh, Rob Rob, uh, Peter McDow, everybody’s in here. Phil Montgomery, a lot of our regulars are here. Bee 1775. Um, Miguel Mashin 1870. Uh, who else do we have here? Maui Crazy, of course. Um, welcome, welcome to everybody. Um, you’re fired up here. Jake Harris, uh, checking in here. 701. Uh, Jake Jake Harris says the issue is that he is tonedeaf. We’ve had banners flying over the stadium calling for change since week two. Hy, let me ask you this. If you’re Steven Ross, do you do you want to show the fans that they are so empowered? Like with the banners, you’ve you’ve basically told them if you stop showing up, right, with the low attendance statement, the that that exception, that caveat, then that might urge a change. Is that healthy? Is that is that is that empowering fans to a scary degree or is that showing, okay, I am aware. I am listening. I am paying attention. Well, I I think as an owner, you want to say you always listen to the fans. they’re they’re they’re you know they’re your pain public and and the people that ultimately uh you want on your side. Um but I would hope his loyalty is to the people he he works with more. Um the people inside the Dolphins building and the facility, the coaches, the front office, everybody. And and you know, I’ve always said this. Well, look, when they were signing that big contract for Tua, when they spent the money on Ramsay and and Tyreek, who’s looking out for the organization? And I’ll say that now. Ross is responsible for looking out for the organization, you know, and you can fold all that into that, the fans, uh, looking out for people in the facility, all that. But ultimately, he’s got to make his decision on what’s best for the organization. and a lot of decisions haven’t been made in recent years, big decisions on what’s best for the organization. Um, Bigote 1775 asks, “Have players checked out due to Tua?” I don’t think that they have. Uh, you know, look, I I think the Tua thing is is a separate issue and and we’re about to talk about Tua, but I don’t think players have looked and said, “Well, Tua sucks. We’re going to check out. He’s not leading us anywhere.” I don’t think that players have said Tua just made another tonedeaf statement. I’m out of here. I’m not listening to him. I I think the Tua thing is separate than player effort. I don’t see any link between the two. What What about you, Hyde? Um there’s there’s a crack here. Now, I don’t know players, but let’s just start with the most fundamental relationship, Mike and Tua. Tuo comes out after the game and again says the organization’s a problem. Guys are lining up wrong. We’re not getting everybody in the right spot. Mike comes out yesterday and says, “Well, let’s hope we don’t throw 10 interceptions.” I I mean, these aren’t normal phrases that head coaches and quarterbacks use um in talking about tough in in a in a tough time. Okay? And and so something’s going on here. and whether it’s just people misspeaking as another issue around this team um or there’s a big crack going down in relationships. I don’t you know that’s something we’re going to have to watch play out but but I wrote a column about this last week losing losing teams it’s like tight intense tel nollas you know I mean people you you look at phrases you walk in the locker room someone says something and and people are digesting in other players digesting what was said how it was said um we’ve been here many times before and so you got they really need to be responsible for the words they’re throwing out there. Yeah. And I’ll say this to put a bow on this segment before we go into our next one. Uh I talked to a defensive player in the locker room last week and I said, “I know you guys don’t want to make excuses, but could this be a factor that it feels like a lot of elements of this defense were thrown together at the last minute when you consider the secondary and and you look at the the the defense up front.” And he looked at me and he thought about it for a second. He goes, “It’s not an excuse, but yeah, you could be right. That might be the best way to phrase it, that it’s a factor, but it’s not an excuse.” So, I I think players are becoming more aware of the hand that they were dealt here, and they are seeing it as a factor, but not the reason that they are one and six. Um, let’s head over into our next segment, and it’s what’s happened with Tua. And you mentioned the the the kind of the back and forth between Tua and Mike McDaniel. Here’s the other thing that you know that the Anthony Weaver comment of of um you know last Thursday when when um you know I asked weave I I I noticed that he was a little sullen and downtrodden. You know Weave is like Mr. Positivity and I asked him how are you doing personally and are you worried about your reputation as a head coaching prospect? And we went onto this big tangent about, you know, I’m in it to help players and and and not to make money. I’m, you know, I’m I’m in this to help players. I don’t I don’t care about my head coaching prospects. And we need to focus on on, you know, what we can do to get better and, you know, blah blah blah. And and then he at in the middle of it, he said, “I know I’ve held coaches only meetings where coaches didn’t show up.” And then he laughed. saying, “I’m just kidding. Two is our quarterback. I love him.” I didn’t quite know how he meant that and I didn’t have a chance to really go into it with players in the locker room. You can guarantee I’m going to prod around on that tomorrow. But, um, when we ask what’s happened with Tua, the coaching staff is is are they starting to kind of lose the Tua invincibility that we can take some public shots at Tua. the public sees that this guy is not that good. Is is that what’s going on here? Do you think you know we have to walk that line between, you know, you they still should be allowed a sense of humor and sometimes dark humor or correct in in a losing season. And I that’s what I took that as. Now statement about as long as we don’t throw 10 interceptions or something like that. I was like, “Oh, that that that’s hitting a little closer to home of of maybe that that’s not the how a head coach should sound.” Um, so, you know, I I I again, all I would say is especially in losing seasons, guys watch their words and and and not so much because oh, how the media is going to take, how the media, but how it’s going to play out inside the team. And we saw that last week with Tua talking about players only meetings and players being laid and and and they had to put out fires because of that. And yeah, I get it. Nobody the national media, local media, um, you know, put that up. But also inside the team is a real issue for having to put out fires. Yeah. Yeah, it is. Um, we want to say what’s up to, uh, Louis M727, uh, J. Charles Cidola. Um, I saw something on here. Oh, Loafy Anime uh is is back with us. Um, who have we got here? Uh, K Tea Runs Karans 9500. I’m sorry I’m butchering this. There was something here that I wanted to read. Uh, and it was about uh in in tour we trust or um what was it here? Uh gosh, I I I I lost it here. And I was wondering if this Okay. Uh Luis Phippe Bonito, Rearan McDaniel will turn it around into a we trust. I I don’t know if that’s serious. I I I think that it is. It’s And and there’s another one here um that says uh Greer Greer needs more time. Be patient. I I don’t think that this is the voice of the total fan base, but do do you think that this is a popular opinion that they can turn this thing around? Uh be be patient, hide. Is that And is that the opinion with Yeah. And is that the opinion with two? I’m try I’m trying to determine if uh Yeah, I think it’s sarcastic. Did you see Sunday’s game? Be patient. Are you I mean, we we crossed the threshold of patience at 0 and three. Okay. 12 days into the season. That was panic button time. Okay, this is shrug your close your eyes and hope you open them and it’s next season time. Um because at one and six um the way they’re playing fundamental errors week after week after week and and a lot of the same glaring issues week after week. Um the run defense for instance getting praised a little this week. Um, but they were going against the the lowest scoring team in the NFL without their starting two tackles. And we’re supposed to say, well, they they even though they got run 10 times for 71 yards. After that, they closed it down. You know, they did I mean, Cleveland closed it down. Cleveland got up 24-6 and said, “We’re not going to let this offense make any mistakes that could possibly lose the game because we know the Dolphins aren’t going to score more than 24 points on our defense. So, um I don’t know how I got off on that rant, perk. I don’t remember what the question was, but but uh this I’m going down blind alleys these days. That’s fine. That’s fine. I was wondering if the sentiment from from uh Luis Fe Bonito was real or or if there was some sarcasm there about supporting Tua and supporting uh the team. Six years. It’s only six years into Tua. You’re right. Let’s Let’s Right. Let grow up. Let him grow up. Let let me let me say this about Tua and I I I you know I I I’ll say this and then I’ll go into my statement. So we know Tua has 11 touchdowns, uh 10 interceptions and a lost fumble. So that’s 11 touchdowns and 11 turnovers. His 82.8 passer rating ranks 27th in the league. Um Tatua, you know, to in defense of Tua, which you know, as you say, it’s been six years. He he needs no defense, but uh that the play calling, you could say, is limited. There’s no Tyreek. Uh Darren Waller, who might not play this week due to a pectoral injury, has been shut down for stretches, like half of a game, he gets no targets. Um Tua does not have a number one wide receiver, right? I think Jaylen Wadd is showing us that he’s a good number two, but he’s not a number one. Anybody can have the title of number one. Devonte Parker had the title of number one receiver, but you’ve got to live up to it and move the chains and be a difference maker. Uh there’s injuries on the offensive line pretty much. Tua only has Devon Aan going for him offensively, right? Patrick Paul, I guess, Aaron Brewer, but he doesn’t have much going for him. Does that excuse Tua? Does that buy him any time in any way? I don’t think it does. I think you’ve got to show that you can move the offense now. I wouldn’t expect, you know, Tom Brady wouldn’t be able to lead this offense into the playoffs, but he’s got to show us something more than he’s shown us. Where are you with Tua right now? Well, I’m fine if people want to criticize the roster. Um and uh you know go across the board of of they’ve been you know it’s mixer unfortunate again with injuries um bad roster construction and at the same time when you pay the guy 50 when he’s in the $50 million club for a franchise quarterback they’re expected to be able to lift up players at times in offense. You saw Justin Herbert did it. Justin Herbert they were on their fourth and fifth tackle. Do we have to go over this? fourth and fifth tackle without their top receiver um on their third on their practice squad running backs and somehow he makes the winning play. So I this is now to be fair Tua did make winning plays the previous two weeks. Okay. So this is an all awful to now it’s he’s all awful. Everything’s bad. Everything about Tua is bad. No, but not enough is good I would say. Right. Um what you’ve noticed from Tua is is in the right offense against the right defense, he can be very very effective. Um and but he he his limitations, you got to you got to live with his limitations. He can’t move. So you need a great offensive line or or at least something to give him some time. Um and this is a game that more and more you look how teams win. and it’s guys out of chaos plays and that’s not his game. So, um you know, he he really shouldn’t be as bad as he was in Cleveland no matter how good that defense was and it was very good. Um so I you know the previous two previous weeks up and down but you know you’re looking at a 12 to 18 ranked or 14 to 20th ranked quarterback in the league I would think. Yeah. Yeah. He’s he’s definitely uh middling and and getting worse. Um Peter McDow says uh Tua is a terrible leader with no accountability, but at least he gets to go home and play with his kids and count his millions. You know, there’s a Let me let me read this other one before before I get a comment from you on that. This one a little more positive from Murman 78. Hey Dave, hi. I met you in Cleveland back in 2011. Miami lost that game as well, but you were a gentleman. Appreciate your work. So, there’s that there. That’s that’s that’s some positive. Now, let’s get back to Tua, which isn’t very positive. Um, what what do you expect from Tua in these situations that that we know that that Jonasiah is not coming through for him, James Daniels is gone, as we said, Tyreek is gone. There’s not much to work with. The the deep the run defense is terrible. like you know you you don’t have a chance to give yourself a chance if you’re to a special teams errors. They’re they’re allowing a 90 yard kickoff return in one game and then this game Malik Washington who has been good loses a fumble on a kickoff. What is Tua expected to do? I I’ll answer this first. I’m I’m expecting Tua to play fairly error-free football and set an example like be the guy, be the rock. like you might not be able to lead this team to victory, but show them this is what we’ve practiced and this is how it should look in games as opposed to throwing three interceptions in in back-to-back games. Um, that’s what I expect from Tua, some veteran leadership. What What’s realistic for Tua to show in under these circumstances? Hi. Well, I mean that there’s a starting point. You know, you can’t make a lot of times quarterbacks aren’t defined by the great plays they the best play, but by the worst play they make. And the past couple weeks, Tu has been defined in the days by by the bad plays he’s made. Um, and especially this past one, they come out at halftime, first play. You try to regroup, you get a field goal right before half. Um, so you, you know, somehow you’re only down what, 11 points when they really got dominated in the half. and and you get the ball and certainly I’m sure you’re thinking you’re going to regroup at halftime and come out. You get a score there, you’re right back in it and first play makes a really bad throw and and and it’s just the type of throw where you wonder can he make that throw. It’s outside the zip on the ball which isn’t his game. It’s a wet day. Did that you know then we get into the weather and and you know he threw it high um it ticked off his fingers. Um I I got people commenting he should have caught it. There’s no way he’s going to catch that ball. Um it was unfortunate it tipped off his fingers which slowed it down to be intercepted and run back for a touchdown. But those are the type of plays. Um may maybe he’s not going to throw or have the, you know, talent around him to throw 80 yard bombs anymore. Um but you can’t be making those type of plays that get that lose the day for you. Yeah. Yeah. I I agree. I agree. Uh here’s one from uh boy, I’m going to butcher this. Pete N uh 1B uh says, “I’m quitting this team if Greer is still here next year. Lifelong fan here.” Hide. And this isn’t directly on tour, but this is just overall. Um where do you think the fan base is as far as the long the long-term fans? Uh because I’m getting a lot of emails from people who say that they’re longtime fans and they’re getting turned off by this. And then you go to social media and you see the fans, I’m talking about emails from fans that are 50 years old and older. And then you go to social media and you see the fans that are like 40 and younger and it’s just four-letter words and curses to the Dolphins. I understand with the young fans there’s going to be frustration. I’m wor I’m more worried about the older fans. Um, which which fan group do you think is more insensed and which should should should Stephen Ross and the Dolphins be more concerned with? Well, as I s I’m an old older aging badly guy and and people write me, “Do you think they’ll win in my lifetime?” And I always answer, “Eat your vegetables.” You know, because it might be a while. you better hope you have a long life. Um, you know, it’s it’s it’s tough being a dolphin and I when we’re talking about Tua when he made that comment about fans last year eating on the eating on the couch with a potato chip. It’s easy to do that and I said it’s not easy if you’re a Dolphin fan. Trust me, it’s not easy through the years. It’s a tough job being a Dolphin fan. and and uh um so I don’t where does this season rank among Dolphin fans? Tough ones. Uh you know, I mean that could be a g parlor game. Um but um you know what what Ross has to do is make good football decisions. Not the fan noise is going to be good when you win, bad when you lose, and awful in seasons like this. I get it. But they just need to make organizationally some good football decisions moving forward because he really hasn’t made any in in his time. And and two is part of that. Two is part of that decision. I mean they do with it. Right. Right. And and and um look that that’s going to lead us right into our next segment. And the next segment is when should the franchise look ahead? And and Dave, I could I could I I could go on forever and this is going to be probably a a lengthy segment, but you know, I think the Dolphins need to to to clean house. Greer gone, McDaniel gone, Tua gone by the start of next season or at the end of this season, let’s say to start the off season, they should be gone. You just take the financial pain with Tua. But here’s the thing, Hyde. Um, at some point this season, if you decide that you’re going to clean house, do you bench Tua and play Quinn yours and or Zack Wilson? By the way, we’ll get into that bizarre we we’ve got a battle for number two quarterback thing. Um, do do you do that thinking we might have our bridge quarterback on the roster or thinking that maybe Quint that Zach Wilson is the next first round pick reclamation quarterback in the in the fashion of Daniel Jones and Sam Darnold and Baker Mayfield? Do you do you do you give the backup quarterbacks a look either because they could be a bridge quarterback or because they could be your quarterback of the future? Do you bench Tua when and start looking ahead at at one and eight or two and seven? Well, you that that will come you first of all you have to fire McDaniel because Tua is his guy. He’s he’s and McDaniel rightfully so wants to win as many games as he can and so he’s going to put the the problem with replacing Tua and I and we we we’re not seeing the practices now. Okay. Right. Um, if you put in a worse quarterback than Tua and Zach Wilson, I I thought they got him to be that reclamation project, but he’s not working out obviously because they made him the third quarterback. Um, or Quinn Eurs, if they don’t look good in practice or they don’t look to up to Tua, um, then the then you lost the players, too, because they’re saying, “Oh, you’re putting in a guy who we can’t win with. He’s not our best chance to win.” So, there’s the danger there. I I get fans saying just play Quinners because we’re tired of Tua. Well, there’s there’s a lot more factors going into this and and the main one to me is the rest of the team. Um you’re telling the rest of the team when you put in a guy who doesn’t who can’t win, you’ve then you really have lost the team at that point. Yeah. and and and what I what I think is probably going to happen here is that Tua probably will play out the the the whole season, but um you know, if you’re turning the page, I I do wonder where you start at at turning the page and and so are are you going to are you going to have a a fire sale? Um here here’s here’s what I think at at the trade deadline. Who people say that, Kirk? Who do you fire? who who’s out there that teams want. Correct. I mean, I agree. Players on this roster that or three if you Patrick Paul, you’re not going to trade him. U N it’s it’s it’s basically Bradley Chub. What do you get for Bradley Chub? Have you are you if you watch his play, he’s not anything near what he was. And so, no, I I mean, what are you going to get for these guys that that you know, Jaylen Phillips? I say if Jaylen But if Jaylen Phillips signs a contract after the season, you get a comp compensatory pick for him. Right. Right. So, right. It’d have to be more than a third round pick essentially to or fourth round, however you play the financial game. Um, so what are we talking Jaylen Wadd? I mean, I I’m not sure. I think Shub is the only one who would have any value out there because he’s a guy who has had double digit sack seasons. But look, with with Jaylen Phillips, you’ve got a a guy who’s coming off of two injured seasons, who has never been to a Pro Bowl, who has never had a doubled digit sack season, and he’s going to need a contract. Um, you’re not going to give up on Deon Han. You’re not going to give up on on Jaylen Wadd. Um, you’re not giving up on Chop or Patrick Paul, uh, none of those guys. There’s there’s not a whole lot of talent here to have a fire sale because you’re not getting more than fourth round pick optimistically for anybody that you’re going to give up on. So, uh, I I I do wonder um, what is going to be the overarching plan? And I’m probably going to write this during the week for the rebuild. To me, you know, I would want to start the rebuild in the trenches. And the reason why is because that’s where your biggest draft capital has gone the last two years, right? With Chop, Patrick Paul, Kenneth Grant, and Jonas of Aayiniah. Draft and develop. Do it in the trenches. And then when you come across your quarterback, whether it’s Jaylen Herz or Jared Goff, uh you don’t have to draft a quarterback number one to have the quarterback, right? We just talked about Baker and Daniel Jones and Sam Darnold. Um Jaylen Herz, you know, not a not a first round quarterback. I I think the the Detroit and the and the Philadelphia models are much wiser as far as building through the trenches and and making sure that that part of the team is taken care of. And then you come back and you try to find your quarterback as opposed to, well, we’ve got the number two pick in the draft. Let’s let’s let’s draft Arch Manning and and just tell everybody that he’s the best quarterback out there. Like that doesn’t work. So, I I just recognizing that you’ve spent so much draft capital the last couple of years in the trenches, draft and develop. Now, I’m not saying is going to be the best offensive lineman you have. Maybe he’s your fifth starter as far as quality, but you got Patrick Paul and you know, so build it like that. See what Kenneth Grant turns into. like he doesn’t look like a Hall of Famer through seven games, but he’s also not somebody you’re going to give up on after one season. So, draft and develop and make sure that your next GM and your next head coach understand what you’ve invested in the draft the last couple of years and they agree with you. Do do you think that the the rebuild should start in the trenches or do you start it off with speed like you did this year? Do you try to find the the quarterback? What do you think should be the plan for the new for the rebuild? Well, I I you you can say let’s rebuild in the trenches. I don’t disagree with that. I I I get where you’re coming from, but you also have to be cognizant of if you have the third or fourth pick in the draft and there’s a quarterback you like there that who you think he can be special. Yes. You got to take them. I I mean, you can’t just have this here’s how we’re going to do it and three years or two years from now we’ll find a quarterback. You got to be fluid. And that’s why the first decision for Ross after assuming he’s going to keep the team and not sell it is um who he puts in charge and how he structures it and and that will become people say, “Oh, you got to get the coach or you got to get the GM.” You know what? You got to get the person. Whoever the person is that has the talent. It could be the coach. It could be but it could be the a GM. you know, Jim Harbaugh and and and Mike Frabel were available the last two years and and there’s no obvious guy sitting there that just looks like a home run. Um that that I that I’ve talked to people about anyways. Um and so um but but with the I can’t I I my tongue stumbles over having to say the word rebuild again. But but no, I get I get I break out in hives when I say that. It’s like how many times we use that? But here we go again. And um yeah, I get what you’re saying about rebuilding the trenches, but you it just can’t be said in concrete because if you have a chance for a special quarterback, uh you got to take that quarterback even if you don’t have the line set up yet. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I I would say don’t force the quarterback decision. Don’t don’t feel obligated to get the quarterback because from what we know right now about the quarterbacks coming out, there might not be a franchise quarterback in this draft or one that the Dolphins want to pick, you know, in the top five picks or whatever. So, uh, yeah, I would say stay loose, but that’s the that’s the idea that I’m going in with is that I I’ve invested my first and second round picks in the trenches the last couple of years. I’m going to draft and develop. Here’s another question for you, Hyde. head coach? Do you go with somebody who’s experienced or do you go the route that they’ve gone since Dave’s dead and hire firstear head coaches, firsttime head coaches? Let me throw out some names for you. Um, coaches with previous head coaching experience. What about Mike McCarthy? What about Cliff Kingsbury, who is Washington’s offensive coordinator? Matt Naggie, who is Kansas City’s offensive coordinator? Uh, you know, Kingberry was head coach in Arizona. Didn’t do well. None of these guys did especially well. Uh, Matt Naggie was head coach in Chicago. What about Arthur Smith, the Pittsburgh Steelers offensive coordinator, head coach in Atlanta. What about Vance Joseph, Denver’s defensive coordinator, former Dolphins defensive coordinator? He was Denver’s head coach. If you want to go with first timers, what about Joe Brady, the the Buffalo offensive coordinator? He’s a local kid, right? He went to uh Everglades High School in Myiramar. What about Josh Razard, the Tampa Bay offensive coordinator? He grew up in the Dolphins system. He was a longtime Dolphins uh offensive quality control coach. What about Todd Mon Baltimore’s offensive coordinator? If you want to go defense, what about Anthony Weaver? I know, I know his defense is not doing well. Or or what about Chris Schulah, the the the Los Angeles Rams defensive coordinator? You know that name. Did do any of those names? What about Brian? Well, I I you know, I thought about putting his name on the list, but I thought better of it. As long as uh long as Steve Ross is here, I’m thinking that’s probably not going to happen, but who knows? Do do any of those names grab you or does does a philosophy you’ve got to go with an experienced head coach? You want to go offense. You want to go defense. I Or just best man for the job no matter what. What about Lane Kein? What about I mean he Yeah. Uh, let me let’s talk about what they need to do. I, you know, the the exact guy. Um, I just think it’s too early for that for me. Um, but again, how how’s Steve Ross going to set it up where the GM, right, you know, that factors in. Look at the GMs. There there are a handful of GMs that people are starting to name um or talk about anyways in football circles. One of them is uh Howie Roseman’s assistant who happens to be the twin brother of the Browns general manager. So, um, Barry, um, yep. So, again, here’s my question for do they do they have a list? Have they and I’ve talked about this, you know, I would go into M’s uh, athletic directors for years and a couple of them would have a list of the top three or five coaches they’re going to hire if their coach left today. Has Steve Ross or somebody kept a list? like do they have they should they they go to league meetings they go they they go um all these NFL functions they should know who’s the hot or who’s making decisions or but beyond beyond all this what they need is a guy who can stand up and the first thing and this is where Steve Ross always has made a fundamental mistake they need someone who can stand up in front of a team and command the room that just that simple thing is just the starting point of what you need. You You got to have someone who can get up there and put out an aura of strength and togetherness and leadership and all these intangibles. We’ve all been in businesses and you’ve seen people like that. People who have it and people who don’t. And there’s a difference, right? And how you respond, right? So, but in especially in this business, um I think Steve Ross has undervalued the idea of leadership. Yeah. Yeah. And I I would agree. I think Flo Flo was a leader. Yes. Uh but he had people skill. He had people skill issues. But but you’re right. Um and you know, Weaver Weaver is a leader and somebody that players respond to, but his defense has just been putrid this year. Uh, but I do think that players respond to him. There there’s just so many. It should just be easy, right? Hi. This is the guy. This is the next I’ll give you I’ll give you this anecdote. Joe Filman. I asked Steve why what he liked about Joe Filman. This was like a year after he hired. What would you see? And he goes, he was very organized in the interview with his PowerPoint. And I’m I’m thinking that’s nice, but I I I get that. That’s very nice. He keeps a clean desk. I I you know, I guess that’s nice, but what does that have to do with a job? And and so, you know, I’m not saying being commanding a room is the be all end all, but it’s a starting point. You got to be able to do that. That’s one of the fundamental pillars of coaching in in pro sports that you got to be able to do there. There lot there are others, but that’s one of them, right? Yeah. Yeah. I I agree. uh you you’ve got to have a presence and and and so I I don’t think that um that that’s necessarily, you know, that definitely is not Mike McDaniel, definitely not Joe Filin, but um I I you know, I I do wonder when you to get back to the the list of of coaching candidates. That’s a very old school thing. Back way back in the day when I used to cover TCU, they had an athletic director, Frank Windiger, and he used to always say, I’ve got in my desk a list, a an an actual list of three names. Uh if if my guy, it was Pat Sullivan was their coach back then, but if Pat Sullivan left, these are the guys that I would call. I I don’t know if that’s too old school for, you know, for Steve Ross to have, but I do think that that’s a great something maybe not even a just mentally. Oh, I’m hearing a lot of mentally, right? You know, because he knew we knew everybody talked about this was a possibility this season, right? that that the ship looks sick and and so certainly if I’m the owner, I’m I’m hoping it doesn’t happen, but but at the same time, I’m keeping my ears open and I’m doing a little just little investigation work on on who some guys are as the season goes on and and u just keep my eyes open and and we talked about why you would make a change. One of the reasons you make a change is then you can openly look for a a you know the next coach, next GM. As it is, you can’t really ethically call up a coach and say, “Hey, I want to talk to you about the Dolphins job when already Mike McDaniel.” Now, Steve Ross did that with Jim Harpaw and no, but the point being a lot of coaches aren’t going to take your phone call until you’re you’ve, you know, moved on from whoever’s there. Let me ask you this, Dave. What do you think about the talent that a new coach and new GM would be walking into? And so let’s throw out some names here that from right now you would have Tua, you would have Aan, you would have Ali Gordon, you would have uh Aon Brewer, Patrick Paul, Jonas Via, Austin Jackson, Jaylen Wadd, uh on the other side of the ball, and you know, Malik Washington on the other side. Uh, let’s say Jaylen Phillips, Chop Robinson, uh, Jordan Brooks, Terrell Dodson, Minka Fitzpatrick, Storm Duck, Tater Coo, I mean, if you inherited that, is there a Pro Bowl player in the bunch? We’re not even talking all pro. Certainly not talking. Is there a Pro Bowl player in the bunch? No. No, I don’t think so. I I don’t I don’t see it. So you’re you’re talking I mean potentially Yeah. Pat. Yeah. Yeah. Potentially. You want to talk good news this year, it’s Patrick Paul. Okay. H we saw last year really emerge and he’s continued, right? But that you want to talk good news. There it is. Patrick Paul. That’s your good news for this for the roster this year. The ro the rookie class has shown nothing. That doesn’t mean they there’ll be nothing a year from now, but nobody through almost half a season has done really anything. Um and and just the reverse, they’ve looked very exposed and and and uh in over their heads in a lot of cases. Um so you’re looking at one of the worst rosters in the league again. So, if you’re Steve Ross or Tom Garfin, who the president of of business operations, who we think might have something to do with the head coaching search, when you’re sitting in that interview across the table from a head coaching prospect, and you say, “Here’s the talent you’re bringing back. What’s your three-year plan? Where is this organization going to be in three years?” What do you want to hear realistically knowing what you have on this roster? Do you want them to blow smoke up your butt and say, “I’ll have you in the Super Bowl in three years. I’ll have you in the playoffs in three years. I’ll have a playoff victory in three years.” To me, the three-year plan is is big because windows aren’t open for long. You get injuries, players get more expensive, right? In three years, you’re going to have to start thinking, boy, Han has got a lot of years on them. Uh Patrick Paul is going to need a new contract. Jonah wants a new contract. You got to start thinking about Chop and Kater and Storm. Well, no, just just, you know, better about just developing and not thinking about new contracts right now, right? But but where are you going? So, like in three years, what do you want to hear from that coaching pro? Do you want them to blow smoke up your butt and and will that be encoura Yeah, we’ll be in a Super Bowl. Look at this talent. I can turn it around. Or do you want them to tell you, well, we we we’ll probably be a nine and eight team in three years. Is is that satisfactory? What do you want to hear realistically? Yeah, I don’t think any coach is going to say, “Oh, we’ll be in the Super Bowl in three years.” I I I I I I You want to go old school? Don Schula came in and they asked him his plan. What’s your fiveyear plan? He said, “Fiveyear plan? I don’t have a fiveyear plan. I have a plan for tomorrow and the next day and the next day we’re going to work.” And and what I really want to know from all the candidates, what’s your philosophy of football? How do you win? Jim Harbaugh came into the Chargers and he invested in two tackles. Now, they were hurt against the Dol, but but that was his idea of how you’re going to get win in football. Um, you’re going to build the line. Um, invest in the line. Um, Mike McDaniel and and Chris Chris Greer I I still 10 years in running the D. I have no idea what he thinks winning football looks like. I I don’t he he just bends to whatever the coaches and and and all that. So, um, that that’d be the first thing I’d want to be beyond, you know, your fiveyear plan or whatever. Okay. How how do you see how do you see winning football? What it looks like? Okay. Uh these guys built with speed. Flores built with uh um you know building a tough team. Tough team. Um Adam Gay built with he wanted creative offense. Joe Filman I I don’t know. I don’t know what he did. Um Tony Spano wanted the Bill Parcell’s way of of tough a tough big strong team. um big lines. Um so I I mean that’d be a starting point, I think. Yeah. Yeah. I I would want to know what they what they want to do, but I I want to know where they would have this franchise in in three years. Um because if you don’t you you to me, you can’t just say h you know, we’re we got a plan for tomorrow. That that’s not good enough. Uh I I want to know what can you realistically do with this roster? What do you see happening and why? How are you going to get get the roster to that place? But um yeah, what is your football philosophy is a is a great point that um that you would have to you would have to have a definition on that. Do you believe in winning with the trench through the trenches? Do you believe that you have to get the quarterback first? Are you going to go with speed over toughness? Um you know, those kinds of things. Um, I I I’ll ask you this also before we get into our our uh our our picks for this week. How much do you want to build through the draft with this? Because we saw with this last rebuild, you made some wrong choices, right? And you always point to Jaylen Wadd over Pen Su. In a few years, we might be saying Kenneth Grant over Tyler Warren. We see a lot of these misses. Uh they took Noah. You did have some good stuff, right? You you you know, you you did take Tua and you know what? You didn’t take Justin Herbert. I know. Uh you did take Austin Jackson. I know he’s been injured. I I’m trying to give these guys some credit here. It it wasn’t a it wasn’t a total disaster, but you ended up going you most of your success came from free agents, right? from Geron Armstead and and Tyreekbody and anybody could look out and say Tyreek’s a great receiver. Here’s here’s all the money you want, Tyreek. Here’s all the draft picks you want. Take the draft picks. That’s fantasy football, right? But but you’re right. Serious football decisions they they they were lacking. Um so you got to build them a choice. You don’t have a choice. you have to build with the draft especially when you have two on the books for $50 million or whatever $38 million I think it actually comes down to and and you know there’s some accounting that has to be done and and there but um you you absolutely have to build with the draft you no ma even if you decide we’re going to invest in free agency you have to build with the draft you need you need young players you need inexpensive players and guys grow up in your system whatever whatever your system is. Yeah. Yeah. And I I think Detroit is a good example of that, the the way that they’ve done it. I mean, obviously they didn’t draft Jared Goff, but you look at the other draft picks, even somebody as simple as like Jack Campbell at at linebacker. We know about um Sam Laaporta and P Su and Jamir Gibbs, but yeah, there’s just a lot of just rank and file good NFL football players, guys who are never going to make a Pro Bowl, but they’re going to be starters on your team for three, four years. That that’s why and and it’s cheap labor. It represents cheap labor and that’s that’s why you need to build through the draft because that’s that’s the way to do it. It takes years, but but that’s the best way to do it. All right, Dave Hyde, we have come to our final segment here. Dolphins at Atlanta Falcons, Sunday, one o’clock. Who you got? Well, I’m wrestling with do I want to be funny and I’m going to pick the Dolphins every game the rest of the way or do I want to be serious and and are you kidding me? This is this is like a brutal matchup for the Dolphins. Okay, again, Bejian Robinson and that offensive line. Um, right? you know, it could London, it could really, you know, if cast is prologue, it could be ugly for the Dolphins that way. Um, and then, uh, you have a very good defense, very fast and and physical defense. Atlanta, they you talk about a team that’s chain last year their defense was awful. This year it’s really good. And that tells you with some make a few really good personnel decisions, you can turn things around quickly in this league. So, but back to that. I’m trying to talk my way out of picking Atlanta, but I I’d have to pick Atlanta. And I’ll go uh 27 to 14. Wow. You’re That’s pretty close to what I’m taking. I’m taking Atlanta 2817. And I think I’m being generous by giving the Dolphins two touchdowns. um you know, maybe they get a special teams touchdown or a defensive touchdown, but I agree with you, especially if Darren Waller doesn’t play. And and it looks like he’s not going to play from what Mike McDaniel told us yesterday. Um boy, I just I I I just don’t know how they’re going to generate enough offense to be able to make a difference, especially as you say, you you’ve got to stop Deian Robinson and that offensive line. The Dolphins run defense is just terrible. So, that leads you to think either they’re going to have to stop the Atlanta run game and score and score quickly or they’re going to have to have extended drives and keep Atlanta’s offense off the field. I don’t see either of those scenarios happening. Um, let me ask you this, Dave Hyde, because we we are talking about long shots and all that kind of stuff. What do you think happens at backup quarterback? And and if Tua goes down this week, uh is it Quinn Euers or Zack Wilson? And do either of them give the Dolphins a chance to win? And what what’s going on with this backup quarterback that that that last week it’s it’s it’s not permanent a backup quarterback gives you a specific a matchup specific advantage like Quinners gave you a better chance to beat Clayton. None of this backup quarterback stuff makes sense, but where are you on if a backup quarterback has to appear this week? Do you have a chance to win? Who should it be? Unless this was a message sent to Zach Wilson for something he did or didn’t do or whatever. Um, I guess I just have to take it at face value that Mike thought Quinn Yers gave them a better chance to win at this point from what he’s seen than than uh Zach Wilson. I I mean, that’s what it has to be, right? And and Mike McDaniel talked afterward. It made no sense that um you know Quinn Euers matches up better against Cleveland if we needed him than Zack. It’s like what are you talking about? Um and so um I I just have to take it at face value. They’ve seen better stuff out of Quinn yours than Zack. Now Quinn got in the game and first pass almost picked off. He he didn’t show anything that that uh now that’s a tough situation to go in and all we can make excuses but um you got to take advantage of whatever opportunity you have when you’re in that position. If you if if there’s something there, you would you you want to see a glimmer of a good throw, a a athletic move, something. And and really we I saw nothing. Yeah. Yeah. Um I like this from uh Dean Rodriguez, 4746. Just out of curiosity, perk, still think we’re an eight- win team. Asking for a friend. Well, I picked I picked the Dolphins to be a nine- win team out of out of out of out of accuracy. for the sake of accuracy. But uh yeah, I I had I had eight. I had eight. It was half my Oh, there you go. See, you had a better read on this team than me, huh? Yeah. Yeah. And I have to admit, I was I was being optimistic. I thought, God, I’d go down the roster, the schedule, and and I I really didn’t see a collapse of this proportion coming. Right. Right. Yeah. I thought if the if the starters stayed healthy, you knew the backups weren’t going to be any good. I thought if the starters stayed healthy based on what the team did last year, eight wins with two of missing what, six games, right? Then you could scratch out nine wins if Tua played, you know, 13 or 14 games. I thought that the front seven was going to lead the way. I was just wrong on all counts. I I admit that. I It’s obvious. Even if I didn’t admit it, I I would have to admit it, right? Because it’s obvious. You’re right, Per. The surprise of the season really is the front seven on defense and and front seven and it tells you th those were serious injuries. Those two, you know, guys who are really good veterans and Chub and and Phillips haven’t come back. Phillips is playing decently. I think he’s playing fine. not great, not not not, you know, the trajectory he once had, but um but that front seven, the linebacking core, I thought it was decent and and just don’t see it. Yeah. Yeah. Here’s here’s a stat that uh Alan Kart um who we both done his podcast um covers the Dolphins for uh si.com um I believe Miami Dolphins on SI.com. Uh he he tells he tells us that um you know Jordan Brooks was leading the league with 66 tackles before last week. 44% of those tackles happened with gains of eight yards or more. So 20 I think it was 29 right 29 of the 66 eight yards or more. I mean what kind of mess is that? I mean that that is a great stat and it it’s just like you talk about the failure of the front seven and the failure of this defense and so I I I do wonder a lot what in the world is going on when you add up the backup quarterback and this threeame losing streak with with Carolina and the Chargers and Cleveland and the stuff that you say with Tua and McDaniel and and and Anthony Weaver chiming in with the you know coaches meetings where coaches don’t show up. It It just makes you wonder what in the world is going on over there. I just in talking to players, I have not seen a I have not heard even off the record of evidence of this thing as you know there’s a lot of infighting and and all that kind of stuff. This team has always had a good fighting spirit. I’ve always said that they don’t quit. They don’t give up. The fact is they just aren’t very good. And so that’s the that’s kind of the bottom line. And and what’s becoming more apparent now is they don’t seem to be coached well. And so that’s when I get into the whole they’re gonna stop listening. And it makes me wonder what’s going to happen this week at Atlanta, which is going to be the best team that you played in the last month. In the last four weeks, you’re on the road where you never play well. And so that’s what, you know, to to bring it back to why does Mike McDaniel still have a job? I you factor all that stuff in and I just wonder is this gonna be Mike McDaniel’s last week in his current post? Yeah. Or does Steve Ross say, “Well, we only lost 24 to 20. Uh let let’s stick with Mike.” You know, I wonder if margin and how the team looks is a factor in how long Mike McDaniel keeps this job. Yeah, I think so. Don’t you? But but it I I mean he he could have been fired any every week from here on out until he is fired. Everybody will be asking, “Okay, should he be fired this week? Should he be fired this week?” It’s not a question of Yeah. Yeah. You know, the only question left is is when does Steve decide to to to do it to him and Chris Greer? Um, and and and I tell you what, the players, as much as I I’ve been around losing teams, and some of them are are happy the coach is gone, a lot of them will be losing their jobs, too, because of new new regimes coming in. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. That’s it, man. All right, Dave Hyde, that’s going to do it for this week’s edition of Dolphins Deep Dive with Perk. We will be back next week, Tuesday at noon. Be back with David Feronis. That is Dave Hyde. I’m Chris Perkins. We appreciate you watching this week.

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