Just clear up the accuracy bro and it will get scary
October 28, 2025
Just clear up the accuracy bro and it will get scary
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“Just throw the ball better and he will be a better qb”
Ok. Pretty important thing to improve at.
Lamar’s sack rate????????? I know it’s a small sample size but is it entirely due to that lions game?
His accuracy issue stems from his unsreness as a passer. Not that easy to clean up.
Defenses are still beating him in pre and post diagnoses. The insureds of coverages leads to him holding it, his feet getting jittery, and ultimately poor mechanics on throws.
Caleb’s accuracy is mostly fine. What he (and the receivers) need to clean up is reading the defense the same way post snap so that the receivers are in the spots Caleb thinks they are going to be in when he throws the ball. This is a reading the defense issue – not a “throw the ball where you want it to go” issue
Also – this chart is crazy – shows Caleb’s sack evasion really is elite.
~~Interesting to see Mahomes TTT so low – he usually looks more like Caleb on these charts historically (because he also historically has been elite at avoiding sacks)~~
Thanks for the correction on Mahomes – I was clearly remembering that wrong! Mea Culpa
Edit – BTW I’m certainly not saying Caleb never misses throws or has elite accuracy all the time. He definitely has some footwork issues, etc at times. It’s just not something that sticks out to me as a huge issue. If we could just get on the page with these zone sits I think his completion percentage would probably be like 4-5 points higher just from that.
That is wild how much of an outlier Caleb is. The data looks fairly consistent otherwise, so I wouldn’t be surprised if Caleb and maybe Kyler singlehandedly bring the R2 way down.
Thanks Magic
Caleb’s singlehandedly dragging that R^2 value way down lol
Caleb Williams’ play under pressure has been so different this year. Not sure it’s better, but he’s gone from taking every sack to being Mr. Sack Avoidance now.
This is insane. His ability to extend plays while not throwing many picks or getting sacked is what will make him elite if he takes that step.
Caleb’s completion percentage is currently skewed by the high number of batted balls he has. If he had just 5 and completed the 7 other balls(which many were screens) he’d have a 65% completion on the year
Williams ain’t got it
Good thing that’s really easy to clean up /s
Yeah just the single most important aspect of being a QB that is the number one reason why QBs fail, just do that.
The thing is, there may be other QBs who could do this, but they just get rid of the ball faster to avoid having to avoid sacks. He is partly an outlier because of his own doing.
All that matters is the offense scoring points. The number of stats people look at now is crazy, and I’m someone that generally likes analytics. But they’re never meant to be looked at in a vacuum. Time to throw, sack rate, CPOE, air yards per fart, it’s all way too much in the hands of people who have a rudimentary understanding of the game.
Good QBs lead their teams to points which leads to wins. Sometimes it’s best not to overthink it.
Sorry but isn’t it a bad thing his Time to Throw is that high up? Doesn’t that just mean he’s holding on to the ball longer(+ scrambling), and has his O-Line work harder than let’s say a Chiefs line. Someone smarter than me esplain. Mahomes probably takes like 2 seconds to read the field and flings it. I know Caleb wont have Mahomes numbers, just asking.
It’s relatively rare for accuracy issues to change. This is usually a you are what you are situation.
“Just clear up the accuracy”
Is that a joke or something you really think just gets “cleaned up”?
He’s obviously an outlier, but the graph starting at 2.5 instead of zero makes it look like he is holding the ball 2-3 times as long as everyone else.
This is starting to sound like JF1 all over again
jw how do you interpret R^2 here?
Mahommes is at 2.6 here
Google said : “In his final seasons, Tom Brady’s time to throw was very fast, averaging around (2.17) to (2.49) seconds per pass”
&
“In his final season, Peyton Manning had an average time to throw of 2.19 seconds”
It looks like the faster, the better. Caleb needs to progress, get better at reading the D’s, and throw it. Quick.
Maye sitting next to Wentz makes me think this chart doesn’t mean a whole lot. Or….
Disagree. When the coach says he should of taken the check down and he says no it was the right play, youve got a bigger problem than accuracy.
Does anyone know how “average time to throw” is calculated? Wondering because Caleb is good at getting out of the pocket, and then throw while avoiding a sack. He might take 5 or 6 seconds which may result in an avoided sack and sometimes a completion. Does that get added into the equation if he ends up throwing the ball?
“Can’t read a defense”
Caleb is more accurate that Josh Allen was at this point in Allen’s career.
Fields still in the upper right of the graph……he’d still be there if we had kept him.
28 comments
“Just throw the ball better and he will be a better qb”
Ok. Pretty important thing to improve at.
Lamar’s sack rate????????? I know it’s a small sample size but is it entirely due to that lions game?
His accuracy issue stems from his unsreness as a passer. Not that easy to clean up.
Defenses are still beating him in pre and post diagnoses. The insureds of coverages leads to him holding it, his feet getting jittery, and ultimately poor mechanics on throws.
Caleb’s accuracy is mostly fine. What he (and the receivers) need to clean up is reading the defense the same way post snap so that the receivers are in the spots Caleb thinks they are going to be in when he throws the ball. This is a reading the defense issue – not a “throw the ball where you want it to go” issue
Also – this chart is crazy – shows Caleb’s sack evasion really is elite.
~~Interesting to see Mahomes TTT so low – he usually looks more like Caleb on these charts historically (because he also historically has been elite at avoiding sacks)~~
Thanks for the correction on Mahomes – I was clearly remembering that wrong! Mea Culpa
Edit – BTW I’m certainly not saying Caleb never misses throws or has elite accuracy all the time. He definitely has some footwork issues, etc at times. It’s just not something that sticks out to me as a huge issue. If we could just get on the page with these zone sits I think his completion percentage would probably be like 4-5 points higher just from that.
That is wild how much of an outlier Caleb is. The data looks fairly consistent otherwise, so I wouldn’t be surprised if Caleb and maybe Kyler singlehandedly bring the R2 way down.
Thanks Magic
Caleb’s singlehandedly dragging that R^2 value way down lol
Caleb Williams’ play under pressure has been so different this year. Not sure it’s better, but he’s gone from taking every sack to being Mr. Sack Avoidance now.
This is insane. His ability to extend plays while not throwing many picks or getting sacked is what will make him elite if he takes that step.
Caleb’s completion percentage is currently skewed by the high number of batted balls he has. If he had just 5 and completed the 7 other balls(which many were screens) he’d have a 65% completion on the year
Williams ain’t got it
Good thing that’s really easy to clean up /s
Yeah just the single most important aspect of being a QB that is the number one reason why QBs fail, just do that.
The thing is, there may be other QBs who could do this, but they just get rid of the ball faster to avoid having to avoid sacks. He is partly an outlier because of his own doing.
All that matters is the offense scoring points. The number of stats people look at now is crazy, and I’m someone that generally likes analytics. But they’re never meant to be looked at in a vacuum. Time to throw, sack rate, CPOE, air yards per fart, it’s all way too much in the hands of people who have a rudimentary understanding of the game.
Good QBs lead their teams to points which leads to wins. Sometimes it’s best not to overthink it.
Sorry but isn’t it a bad thing his Time to Throw is that high up? Doesn’t that just mean he’s holding on to the ball longer(+ scrambling), and has his O-Line work harder than let’s say a Chiefs line. Someone smarter than me esplain. Mahomes probably takes like 2 seconds to read the field and flings it. I know Caleb wont have Mahomes numbers, just asking.
It’s relatively rare for accuracy issues to change. This is usually a you are what you are situation.
“Just clear up the accuracy”
Is that a joke or something you really think just gets “cleaned up”?
He’s obviously an outlier, but the graph starting at 2.5 instead of zero makes it look like he is holding the ball 2-3 times as long as everyone else.
This is starting to sound like JF1 all over again
jw how do you interpret R^2 here?
Mahommes is at 2.6 here
Google said : “In his final seasons, Tom Brady’s time to throw was very fast, averaging around (2.17) to (2.49) seconds per pass”
&
“In his final season, Peyton Manning had an average time to throw of 2.19 seconds”
It looks like the faster, the better. Caleb needs to progress, get better at reading the D’s, and throw it. Quick.
Maye sitting next to Wentz makes me think this chart doesn’t mean a whole lot. Or….
Disagree. When the coach says he should of taken the check down and he says no it was the right play, youve got a bigger problem than accuracy.
Does anyone know how “average time to throw” is calculated? Wondering because Caleb is good at getting out of the pocket, and then throw while avoiding a sack. He might take 5 or 6 seconds which may result in an avoided sack and sometimes a completion. Does that get added into the equation if he ends up throwing the ball?
“Can’t read a defense”
Caleb is more accurate that Josh Allen was at this point in Allen’s career.
Fields still in the upper right of the graph……he’d still be there if we had kept him.