I cannot beleive the worship of Bech on this sub. Pretty much everyone out of Jeanty was drafted to develop and replace current starters. Playing Bech takes snaps away from Meyers who is far better than Bech. Now because we have Bech, that means we aren’t tied to Meyers if he gets traded or we can’t come to a signing agreement. Thats the same with many other players we drafted
I get it but if he isn’t running the best routes or blocking then it doesn’t make sense. You wanna give your QB a chance
This is why I didn’t get the Lockett pickup if we weren’t trading Meyers. Like I get bech may end up sucking, but give the dude a chance. You used decent draft capital on him and have barely even seen what he can do. And it’s not like we are in a tight playoff race and can’t afford any slip ups. The entire point of the rest of the season is seeing who we want to keep and who needs to go.
We’re talking about the coaching staff that put Brock out there hobbled for 3 weeks, before deciding to rest him for 3 weeks. It makes no sense that they aren’t giving the rookies more reps at this point in the season.
The rookies suck they need to be benched, the team doesn’t play them, why aren’t the rookies getting snaps. Some of yall need to make your mind up. Lockett was out there to see if he could give some comfortable looks to Geno. It didn’t work out in his first game.
And my all-Raiders fantasy team *STILL* won their second game of the year and second game in a row! Game’s still going, but as long as Baker is still on bye and Garrett Wilson is still out, we’re all but certain to be victorious!
Still don’t get why we drafted him in the second round
Lockett was blocking well and this was a great game from the offense, probably their best so far. The rookie that matters is Jeanty, Bech will have lots of opportunities in future seasons I’m not panicking over this. Shore up the offensive line and secondary in next year’s draft and Meyers & Lockett are gone, Bech will be starting slot.
Yeah I have no idea why Bech and Thornton didn’t get any snaps. This is the time to develop them and get them ready
Couldn’t agree more. Bech needs to be out there, look what happened w porter. Got some run, didn’t do perfect, but I’m sure he’s feeling pretty good about his performance today.
And it burned me they couldn’t even get Grant in on those goal line packages. Parham got hurt for a couple plays and Putnam came in for him so cappa could be wide of the LT. And then cappa promptly false started.
Why not have cappa replace parham and have Grant outside for a play or two? Why is Putnam even playing? Gotta get better looks at these rookies, including having rodgers active over Putnam.
If Bech was routinely beating dudes in practice he’d be out there playing. There’s no way he’s this amazing player that’s on the bench arbitrarily.
Over the last 20 years fighting for 3 to 6 wins, in seasons where we should be maximizing our draft position, is an essential component of our failure and lack of vision. I’m not a “Mark should sell the team” guy. I actually think he really wants to win and is trying his best… and has done fantastic on the business side. But this particular aspect of the franchise failure is one that I put on him. He pretty much won’t ever green light a full rebuild, when it’s clear we’ve needed one for years. Meanwhile other franchises have had one or two over the same era, nabbing franchise qbs and fighting for legit title contention.
Guys you don’t understand, the obvious way to build a winning culture is to draft a bunch of guys that aren’t good enough to play or be active for games on (according to people in this sub) the worst roster in the nfl, and then sign a bunch of washed up players to start.
Thornton was a scratch
Poor drafting. also an obvious disconnect between GM and coaching in that a washed up former compatriot is taking away development snaps.
Not good
Young gm with an old head coach… Two different time lines
You have to be careful with rookie player’s confidence. Putting someone out there when they aren’t ready is just as likely to ruin them as it is to develop them.
This has been my biggest gripe this year. Once we got blown out the 2nd time in 3 weeks they should have seen the writing on the wall that this team isn’t ready. Instead we’re dishing out valuable reps to vets that are on 1-2 year deals and likely won’t be here past this season. We take 2 offensive linemen in the top 100 and healthy scratch them every week. We have two young athletic DTs and have consistently gotten no push on the interior, but we healthy scratch them. Like wtf are we doing? We’re selling out to win 6 fucking games, come the fuck on. Embrace the suck and figure out what you have in your young guys so we can have some quality fucking depth for once at least
All that to skip possibly the best corner in the draft, typical bozo raiders pick 🤦🏻♂️
IMO, Lockett was brought in to help Geno get some confidence back. Geno played his best game since week 1. Not sure Lockett had anything to do with it, but next week you could see Bech and Thornton get more reps (especially if Myers is dealt).
Everybody in this sub thinks they are trying to tank and they are doing everything they can to win and just can’t
I think Lockett is released this week, probably following Denver game
What the hell man?
Dumbest take I’ve read in a while.
Lockett was wide open on at least two plays, that separation stat is BS, just look at the stills from the final play making the rounds today. Geno played his best game in a long time, he’s much better for having a close friend and WR he trained with for years out there and it’s important to get his head right. Bech is going to take 3 years in the NFL to develop, same as every WR ever, and will learn more from having who would be the best WR in several teams’ histories to study film, practice and drill with (Largent just happens to have been a Seahawk but Lockett is still #2 all time for them). Lockett is still very, very good despite not having the speed or stamina he used to bc he’s a player whose game is predicated on hands and IQ not physicals, he’s almost certainly the Raider’s best WR as of right now just because of familiarity with the QB if nothing else, and he’s an asset to the team in a lot of ways that aren’t going to show up on stat sheets
Interesting. Why not start cycling QBs while we are at! Hahahahaahahahaha
This had to be Geno bitching he has no recovers and they bring him this bum. Fuck Geno
I’m so sick of all these Twitter analysts man. They literally bring nothing interesting to the conversation and just use this fanbase frustration to drive their clicks and views. Clearly the team is very deserving of criticism, but at this point if it isn’t coming from Q and Linc, then I don’t give it the time of day.
Part of me needs more info because we have other players that need the same but if player isnt up to par then the rest are behind too. Meaning its not fair to the rest of the offensive players trying to develop if Bech cant play the right way.
I think the more concerning thing is why they drafted a guy in the 2nd round and he isn’t starter worthy 9 games into the damn season.
I would normally agree with starting the rookies but they are clearly not ready to be getting starting reps and that’s on the coaches they were beyond bad in that chiefs game
Lockett was wide open for the win but geno couldn’t get the ball to him
Plenty of season left, brah.
Thats 2-5-1 sir. Had we not gone for it, the complainers would be complaining
Hello! Wake up, Raider Nation!
This season is a wash. It’s done. What you are seeing is an extended pre-season + rebuild. Those young players are the future. You can’t have a future with rundown/broken pieces. This is all why we’re not seeing the Def/Off’s full playbooks. Why would they wanna give anything away? Why would they want to run Jeanty’s wheels off for a lost season?
Nobody will be fired. They’ll get at least another draft. Settle in, and perhaps we’ll be able to ruin our rivals’s playoff hopes somehow (and nobody gets hurt)!
Why spend a 2nd on him and have him go this route already. SMH.
For those wondering it’s between Geno and coaching. Geno probably advocated for Lockett just like Aaron Rodger does in pushing weight for certain WRs. Carroll historically preferenced Technique reliant WRs and Lockett fits that bill.
There is the pressure now coming down on them as we pass mid season. The grace period for new coaching is passed, and results are expected given the promises made to ownership. I was hoping for everyone new this year to excel, but we are seeing Geno as clear weak link in this team, has blown at least two games, continually missing numerous opportunities, his preference of WRs “types” is not giving me confidence given the WR rooms that are excelling around the league. He under utilizes the run game I mean the list just goes on and after further diving into the depth of this guy it isn’t just a technique issue, its habitual. He is past the development stage of his career…making it all the harder for him to be teachable.
Coaching: Jeanty our most recent 1st rounder comes into the Raiders, and comes out publicly saying there is a losing mentality…not what you should hear with new coaching staff having 8 months to change this culture. I look at Carroll’s baselines and they aren’t competing at the Play-off level now. I don’t know why we would keep this course.
Old ass Pete, signed old ass Lockett. Just another reason he needs to go. Preaches competition, but gives his guys the snaps.
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I cannot beleive the worship of Bech on this sub. Pretty much everyone out of Jeanty was drafted to develop and replace current starters. Playing Bech takes snaps away from Meyers who is far better than Bech. Now because we have Bech, that means we aren’t tied to Meyers if he gets traded or we can’t come to a signing agreement. Thats the same with many other players we drafted
I get it but if he isn’t running the best routes or blocking then it doesn’t make sense. You wanna give your QB a chance
This is why I didn’t get the Lockett pickup if we weren’t trading Meyers. Like I get bech may end up sucking, but give the dude a chance. You used decent draft capital on him and have barely even seen what he can do. And it’s not like we are in a tight playoff race and can’t afford any slip ups. The entire point of the rest of the season is seeing who we want to keep and who needs to go.
We’re talking about the coaching staff that put Brock out there hobbled for 3 weeks, before deciding to rest him for 3 weeks. It makes no sense that they aren’t giving the rookies more reps at this point in the season.
The rookies suck they need to be benched, the team doesn’t play them, why aren’t the rookies getting snaps. Some of yall need to make your mind up. Lockett was out there to see if he could give some comfortable looks to Geno. It didn’t work out in his first game.
And my all-Raiders fantasy team *STILL* won their second game of the year and second game in a row! Game’s still going, but as long as Baker is still on bye and Garrett Wilson is still out, we’re all but certain to be victorious!
Still don’t get why we drafted him in the second round
Lockett was blocking well and this was a great game from the offense, probably their best so far. The rookie that matters is Jeanty, Bech will have lots of opportunities in future seasons I’m not panicking over this. Shore up the offensive line and secondary in next year’s draft and Meyers & Lockett are gone, Bech will be starting slot.
Yeah I have no idea why Bech and Thornton didn’t get any snaps. This is the time to develop them and get them ready
Couldn’t agree more. Bech needs to be out there, look what happened w porter. Got some run, didn’t do perfect, but I’m sure he’s feeling pretty good about his performance today.
And it burned me they couldn’t even get Grant in on those goal line packages. Parham got hurt for a couple plays and Putnam came in for him so cappa could be wide of the LT. And then cappa promptly false started.
Why not have cappa replace parham and have Grant outside for a play or two? Why is Putnam even playing? Gotta get better looks at these rookies, including having rodgers active over Putnam.
If Bech was routinely beating dudes in practice he’d be out there playing. There’s no way he’s this amazing player that’s on the bench arbitrarily.
Over the last 20 years fighting for 3 to 6 wins, in seasons where we should be maximizing our draft position, is an essential component of our failure and lack of vision. I’m not a “Mark should sell the team” guy. I actually think he really wants to win and is trying his best… and has done fantastic on the business side. But this particular aspect of the franchise failure is one that I put on him. He pretty much won’t ever green light a full rebuild, when it’s clear we’ve needed one for years. Meanwhile other franchises have had one or two over the same era, nabbing franchise qbs and fighting for legit title contention.
Guys you don’t understand, the obvious way to build a winning culture is to draft a bunch of guys that aren’t good enough to play or be active for games on (according to people in this sub) the worst roster in the nfl, and then sign a bunch of washed up players to start.
Thornton was a scratch
Poor drafting. also an obvious disconnect between GM and coaching in that a washed up former compatriot is taking away development snaps.
Not good
Young gm with an old head coach… Two different time lines
You have to be careful with rookie player’s confidence. Putting someone out there when they aren’t ready is just as likely to ruin them as it is to develop them.
This has been my biggest gripe this year. Once we got blown out the 2nd time in 3 weeks they should have seen the writing on the wall that this team isn’t ready. Instead we’re dishing out valuable reps to vets that are on 1-2 year deals and likely won’t be here past this season. We take 2 offensive linemen in the top 100 and healthy scratch them every week. We have two young athletic DTs and have consistently gotten no push on the interior, but we healthy scratch them. Like wtf are we doing? We’re selling out to win 6 fucking games, come the fuck on. Embrace the suck and figure out what you have in your young guys so we can have some quality fucking depth for once at least
All that to skip possibly the best corner in the draft, typical bozo raiders pick 🤦🏻♂️
IMO, Lockett was brought in to help Geno get some confidence back. Geno played his best game since week 1. Not sure Lockett had anything to do with it, but next week you could see Bech and Thornton get more reps (especially if Myers is dealt).
Everybody in this sub thinks they are trying to tank and they are doing everything they can to win and just can’t
I think Lockett is released this week, probably following Denver game
What the hell man?
Dumbest take I’ve read in a while.
Lockett was wide open on at least two plays, that separation stat is BS, just look at the stills from the final play making the rounds today. Geno played his best game in a long time, he’s much better for having a close friend and WR he trained with for years out there and it’s important to get his head right. Bech is going to take 3 years in the NFL to develop, same as every WR ever, and will learn more from having who would be the best WR in several teams’ histories to study film, practice and drill with (Largent just happens to have been a Seahawk but Lockett is still #2 all time for them). Lockett is still very, very good despite not having the speed or stamina he used to bc he’s a player whose game is predicated on hands and IQ not physicals, he’s almost certainly the Raider’s best WR as of right now just because of familiarity with the QB if nothing else, and he’s an asset to the team in a lot of ways that aren’t going to show up on stat sheets
Interesting. Why not start cycling QBs while we are at! Hahahahaahahahaha
This had to be Geno bitching he has no recovers and they bring him this bum. Fuck Geno
I’m so sick of all these Twitter analysts man. They literally bring nothing interesting to the conversation and just use this fanbase frustration to drive their clicks and views. Clearly the team is very deserving of criticism, but at this point if it isn’t coming from Q and Linc, then I don’t give it the time of day.
Part of me needs more info because we have other players that need the same but if player isnt up to par then the rest are behind too. Meaning its not fair to the rest of the offensive players trying to develop if Bech cant play the right way.
I think the more concerning thing is why they drafted a guy in the 2nd round and he isn’t starter worthy 9 games into the damn season.
I would normally agree with starting the rookies but they are clearly not ready to be getting starting reps and that’s on the coaches they were beyond bad in that chiefs game
Lockett was wide open for the win but geno couldn’t get the ball to him
Plenty of season left, brah.
Thats 2-5-1 sir. Had we not gone for it, the complainers would be complaining
Hello! Wake up, Raider Nation!
This season is a wash. It’s done. What you are seeing is an extended pre-season + rebuild. Those young players are the future. You can’t have a future with rundown/broken pieces. This is all why we’re not seeing the Def/Off’s full playbooks. Why would they wanna give anything away? Why would they want to run Jeanty’s wheels off for a lost season?
Nobody will be fired. They’ll get at least another draft. Settle in, and perhaps we’ll be able to ruin our rivals’s playoff hopes somehow (and nobody gets hurt)!
Why spend a 2nd on him and have him go this route already. SMH.
For those wondering it’s between Geno and coaching. Geno probably advocated for Lockett just like Aaron Rodger does in pushing weight for certain WRs. Carroll historically preferenced Technique reliant WRs and Lockett fits that bill.
There is the pressure now coming down on them as we pass mid season. The grace period for new coaching is passed, and results are expected given the promises made to ownership. I was hoping for everyone new this year to excel, but we are seeing Geno as clear weak link in this team, has blown at least two games, continually missing numerous opportunities, his preference of WRs “types” is not giving me confidence given the WR rooms that are excelling around the league. He under utilizes the run game I mean the list just goes on and after further diving into the depth of this guy it isn’t just a technique issue, its habitual. He is past the development stage of his career…making it all the harder for him to be teachable.
Coaching: Jeanty our most recent 1st rounder comes into the Raiders, and comes out publicly saying there is a losing mentality…not what you should hear with new coaching staff having 8 months to change this culture. I look at Carroll’s baselines and they aren’t competing at the Play-off level now. I don’t know why we would keep this course.
Old ass Pete, signed old ass Lockett. Just another reason he needs to go. Preaches competition, but gives his guys the snaps.