LIVE Garden Report: Celtics vs Jazz Postgame Show on CLNS Media

LIVE Garden Report: Celtics vs Jazz Postgame Show on CLNS Media

Always has to be a shot at somebody. They’re never clean. They have to run. That’s the only shot they have. They do it for 82 games. We’re about to find out. He already has shown what he’s capable of. Did surprise me. I thought we were going to hang in there. This makes me think that we do need to be humbled. I actually think you’re the only one who deserved that beating. Hi. Yeah, I’m back. I’m back. Hey, kid. Just in time. Jimmy, get taller. Would you fill up the frame? There we go. Get in there. My dream. Yeah, I gave that one up a while ago. Jimmy Tusano is playing hurt tonight. I’ll tell you that right now. Little hurt. I’m going to try to limit my S’s best I can. Seashells. She She sells seashells by the seashore. Go, Jimmy. Tough when you’re saying Celtics a hundred times. Celtics. The Celtics lose tonight. Jimmy Tuscano. Jimmy Tuscano. Yeah, bit my tongue, everybody. Thanks, John. Mark Chops and Apples. The uh It’s not funny. We just lost a horrible game. The Jazz. See, like it had to be the Jazz tonight, too. Couldn’t be a The Jazz. Jazz. Um we’re gonna I’m gonna tell you this. I’m I’m going to I’m going to tell you this ahead of time. Oh man, this one’s we we It’s going to It’s going to get ugly um when Bobby gets in here. I’ll tell you that right now. Okay. Naturally, we have we we have upset him. Right. Right. Right. We Jimmy and I have upset Jimmy and I Jimmy Bobby’s hands are up. Jimmy and I and reality uh have upset Bobby uh tonight and so it’s going to get it’s going to get bad. But look, it’s all a matter of perspective and it’s just how you choose to view things. Me and John, we’re glass half empty, guys. So, it’s less the glass half empty and more the and more the let’s just allow ourselves to be pleasantly surprised as opposed to build expectations. That’s more my philosophy, which is re it’s reasonable to think that they’re going to struggle this year and it’s reasonable to think that there’s going to be losses like this where you want to kill yourself if you have expectations. If you have none, this season’s going to be a lot easier. And what I do think has happened is expectations have been built a little bit beyond maybe where they should be with this team. I think you should be more wait and see and maybe we’ll be surprised as opposed to declaring they’re bad then declaring they’re good then declaring they’re bad again. We can’t go maybe they’re not that bad after all. May maybe they actually can can hang in there. The the the reasonable perspective and Joe Mazoula is going to tell us more is that it’s going to be a struggle. Let’s hear from Joe and then we’ll get into this. Muted Joe. They had 54 points in the paint. What was at the root of that success, especially in the third quarter when they had 20? Yeah. Yeah. I mean, that’s the tell the tale is that, you know, our first half uh was great and I think the third quarter uh they got the best of us and and they played harder than us. So, it was a combination of just transition offensive rebounds and then uh you know, some of their dribble drive stuff, not being able to uh defend without fouling. So, um you know, you have to be able to put a full game together. Uh the first half was good. Third quarter cost us and and uh when it’s a close game like that, it’s anybody’s game. And were you given an explanation towards the end there where Jaylen got tripped and there was a no call? Uh, no. What was that? Yeah, that was weird. I didn’t like that. So, um, I think you guys point percentage now this year. Same thing you’re seeing there shots. Are you getting the kind of quality look from outside that you would like? Uh, yeah. I mean, I think most of them have been uh the tough shooting night for sure, but you know, we have to be able to knock down shots. And the impact of screening, you have a lot of new bigs this year. um Al like Chris Depps, those kind of guys were doing a lot and you know, screening talk. Where are your bigs at in terms of freeing guys, getting the advantages you want, like where would you say they’re at with that? I mean, they’re they’re always going to have to be where there are and then getting better. So, I mean, it’s just there are reads that you have to make constantly throughout the game. So, if there’s 50 in a game, you know, you want to get your read percentage up to over 90% and they’re continuing to get better at, but uh it’s just something that you have to work on every day, but it changes uh throughout the entire game. So, uh, they have an understanding of what those reads are. It’s just continuing to work on those, uh, you know, to make those during the game. Joe, you mentioned third quarter came out. You said they just played harder than you guys. Was there anything specific that went into that? Was it just, you know, they picked up their own pace and intensity and stuff? You guys did? I definitely think they picked up their pace. I think we had some uh I thought our offense put pressure on our defense uh to where we just had too many empty possessions offensively and they were able to to to score and uh whether it was and ones or offensive rebounds or you know a little bit of like I said some of our defensive miscues of corner threes. Um so I think just kind of you know getting so many empty possessions offensively just put too much pressure on our D and we didn’t hold the fourth down. What do you think went into those empty offensive possessions? Was it just you know mostly was misses of relatively decent shots mostly. I mean, I think we had a couple turnovers early in the game, but most of the time it was just misses. Uh, Joe, in that last stretch where with the comeback, it seemed like that’s the defense at its best with all the deflections. Is that kind of like what you’re envisioning if obviously you can’t do that the entire game, but is that Well, I would say the first quarter, too. I mean, they had the first half in general, and they had 10 turnovers in the first half. I thought we played a really disciplined uh game plan. And so I think it was, you know, you’re looking at the first half and you’re looking at the fourth quarter comeback as kind of what the identity is of what we need to be for, you know, as close to 48 minutes as possible. Um, so yeah, I think it was a combination of the first half and that stretch as well. And then you said the third quarter they played harder. You haven’t really said that, I don’t think, after any game this season. Is that the first time you felt that way this season that there’s been a stretch like that where you guys have been outplayed? Yeah, I think so. Yeah, I mean they got the best of us. I mean, they just played better. They played harder and better than we did during that quarter. Joe. Um, everybody makes a run. We all know that. But this team has had now a tendency to give up these monster quarters. What’s the key to limiting these runs to, you know, smaller portions and then and then recovering? Yeah. I mean, it’s transition defense and keeping them off the free throw line. Got to the bonus early. Uh, when you get into the bonus early, uh, it’s tough to bounce back from that. So, it’s it’s transition defense. It’s offensive rebounds and it’s defending without fouling. And you talked about the offense puts pressure on the defense. Do you see because this has been a prolonged slump. Do you see guys kind of reacting now to the misses to a point where they’re they’re not getting back? You talked the other game about, hey, we missed but we sprinted back. Is is that going away a little bit? No, I mean we just did it the other day. Um I think it’s just something that you have to do every day. uh just regardless of uh you know the past uh result of that possession, you’d have to just move on to the next one. So, I don’t think it was anything mental. I think it was more just you can’t go that long without scoring when you’re playing against a good offensive team and and a team that executes well. So, I don’t think it was it wasn’t impacting us uh from that standpoint. It was just, you know, you have to be able to uh when you get open shots like that, you got to be able to make them and and uh you know, you can’t just you can’t have as many empty possessions like that. You guys have a pretty inexperienced team, especially compared to the last few years. How do you get everybody up to speed and kind of knowing all the little details? It felt like some of those hurt you tonight. Yeah, the little things, you know, whether it’s files, whether it’s uh personnel, leaving those open. You just have to hold them to a standard and and I think you it’s a process of it. I think it’s just a combination of uh your film study, your shootarounds. I mean, our guys do a good job of of wanting to learn and study that and now it’s it’s getting the reps of executing those in real time. Um and and you know, you’re never going to be perfect in them, but uh we’ve gotten better at those and tonight we just weren’t great at it. So, you have to make the just like everything else, you have to make the commitment uh to be able to do that every night. And then it seems like you’ve been pretty honest with your team that the margin for error Yeah. isn’t the same as it was before. Is this kind of an example of that for your team? What do you take from this and kind of Yeah, I mean, I think so. when you’re in a a close game like that and you have, you know, the the possessions that you have to win of of executing defensively or executing the game plan or executing the personnel coverages, you know, those those possessions uh where you don’t do that those those hurt you. So, yeah, it’s a perfect example of that. Joe, they out rebounded you 46 to 22 after the first quarter. Um, what’s happening? Like I know they had three sevenfooters out there at times, but is that want to? Is that drive? Is that just technique? Like why are you guys getting pounded on the boards like this? Yeah, again like uh we’re never going to be uh top five. Uh but we have to be better. And I think you know it’s just it’s it’s a combination of again there’s ones that we have to get. Uh and then there’s we have to be able to compensate in other areas to be better at that. Whether it’s our shot making, whether it’s our turnovers, whether it’s our offensive rebounds, whether it’s us not turning over. We’re doing a good job on uh not turning it over than there. So we just we just have to fight to to to be better in that. And with the threes, I know it’s a part of the offense, Joe, but are guys looking at those as more now as home run balls. Guys are putting their heads down when they miss their Payton is, you know, like guys are wondering why they’re missing. Yeah. And that’s got to be a level of frustration which maybe affects the defensive side. Like is this kind of thing spreading a little bit? Like why are the threes kind of just affecting everything? Um I say because we’re probably not making him uh at you know the average rate that uh you know you mentioned Payton not making him at the rate that he has been his career. So I think um the thing that I tell him the most is that you’re not defined by your shotmaking. I mean you’re defined by doing so many other kind of are kind of is um you just you don’t need to be defined by that and you’re a much better player than just shotmaking. So as long as you just can just focus on those things you know the and focus on the process of that the other stuff will come around. On that note, uh Jaylen went 0 for nine from the three-point line tonight. Oh my god. With 36 points, was getting to the line a ton. There any particular aspects of his game in a in a game like tonight that you would want to see the rest of the team emulate even when he’s got so many of those misses? Yeah, I mean I think uh I said I thought he played really well today. He was he was uh you know gave us a shot. I think to me it’s a combination of like what he did tonight playing at his best and and how we played in the first half as a team and how we played in the comeback of the middle of the fourth quarter as a team. I think it’s a combination of those things. We all have a job to do different things. Um you know he gave us a shot from that perspective but we all you know we obviously all have to be better. Me the guys we have we have to be more like we were in the first half and that run in the fourth quarter. Thank you. Humble, somber Joe Missoula press conference here. No, not not snappy, not angry. Uh kind of just this is what it is. This is what it is. This is what Bill was like in the down years, too. You know, less defiant, less combative because you can’t be that when you’re bad. Um and so you got to kind of eat it a little bit because you know, you know, you’re on the wrong side of failure here. Um and it doesn’t look great. We welcome in Aarrod Blakeley. Uh, and yeah, I mean, look, when it gets down to it, you know, Gary, I know asks a lot of those three-point questions and it is what it is, but you know, Joe’s right. Like Payton Pritchard, there’s no reason those are going to continue to not go down, right? Derek White’s in a bit of a slump, too. You expect that to kind of go back up a little bit. So, I don’t think like they’re going to be bad. They’re going to be league worst bad forever, but it is a fact that you used to have shooters all over the floor and you could find open shooters and create your twoon- ons and always find, you know, a guy, you know, if somebody had to help off of someone, you were always able to kick to a shooter. And you’re just playing too many lineups that don’t have those guys. So those guys have to kind of create a lot of their own shots now as opposed to be the beneficiaries of, you know, just the way that this offense would run. Keep swinging it, swing it, swing it, swing it till you find the open guy and everybody was capable of hitting it. And that’s more conducive to shooting at a higher percentage. Now you’ve got the guys who shoot threes, they have to kind of create their own or, you know, drive and kick and you just don’t have those guys as much on this team that are able to do that. Uh, and the guys you’re kicking to aren’t as good. you know, you’re going to kick the may not in the corner, it’s going to go the way it’s going to go. Um, so there’s just there’s fewer shooters. They’re going to shoot more poorly. Uh, it’s it’s a team with holes without answers. And the only way that it works is they they they play hard, right, the whole way through. And what Joe said there and Noah’s question, is this the first time you can remember getting outworked? It’s the first time I can remember it. you know, they definitely had the wind wind taken out of their sales a little bit um by Houston and just how dominant that was late in that game. Things got out of hand a little bit. Uh and they were never really in that one to to stay with, but this was probably one of the few like the other teams out working you quarters uh of the season. And that’s the recipe for these guys. They got to play their asses off every single night and they still might lose if they have a down shooting night or they’re just getting killed on the boards because these are just areas that they’re just not as strong this year. It’s just a reality. So, this is this is a bad loss to a bad team that’s in tank, you know, that’s in Tanksville on the second night of a backtoback. They just got run out of the building by Charlotte last night. They come in here and beat you. It’s a bad bad loss. There’s no other way to put it. It’s a bad loss. Stop. What’s up, fellas? No, it’s a bad loss, not only because of the team you play, but really, I mean, just for that particular circumstance, the fact that this is a backto-back back, uh, you absolutely should have been the harder working team, and that just did not happen. And that’s something that we haven’t said about them this season, and the the numbers, uh, back it up. And even as as much as they were outworked from, you know, pretty much from the beginning to the end there, it took them having one of the worst three-point shooting nights they’ve had all season. Uh Jaylen Brown getting tripped at the very end and Utah absolutely clobbering them on the glass. And that’s and even at that point, it’s like the Celtics basically were one or two defensive stops away from pulling us putting pulling away uh this win. And the reality is they have little to no margin for error. They have to be the only thing that they can control is their ability to outwork the opponent. And when that fails, they’re failed. They’re not going to beat teams by simply outplaying them because they’re just not good enough. As you pointed out, John, they had the ability to have two or three guys have rough shooting nights because you usually have two or three other guys who could make shots, but now they don’t have that type of balance. they don’t have that type of elite uh perimeter shooting or guys that can make things happen at either end of the floor for that matter. I I thought, you know, the the offensive rebound that Nerkish got where Kada is on on one arm and the ball is being laid up uh you know, right there at the basket, that was just symbolic of how this game was played. Utah made all the plays that you got to make to win games and the Celtics did not. Period. Symbolic of how the game was played. also a little symbolic of how the team is built. Sure. I mean, the Celtics lose basically on, you know, getting bodied outbbody down low, you know. Uh, and Utah was very big. What, three sevenfooters they had out there. But regardless, completely outworked on the glass tonight. I think they were outworked just up and down the court. They go to an early lead. What was it 10 and then 14-2? And got to give Utah credit. Keonte George, unbelievable uh performance for You couldn’t guard him all night. No, he was getting to the line. scoring from all over and he and he was outworking everybody. And now I give Jaylen Brown credit for kind of trying to will the team back to uh you know victory in in in a close they got close right um as the shots were just not falling. They had no choice but to attack the rim. So I was glad to at least see that happened a little bit. But man, you go 11 for 51 from three. To me, that’s shocking that the Celtics even had a chance to win this game still with the way they shot the ball, which was probably historically ugly. I mean, 50 plus threes and they hit 11 and then to get all worked on the glass the way they did as well. If they were playing a team that was any better, they probably are losing by double digits. It’s not even a chance for them in this game. Um, but I give I give Utah all the credit in the world. Second night of a backto-back like you said Shad, it should have been the Celtics coming up playing hard after being embarrassed at home uh Saturday night against Houston. They go they go out there and get embarrassed again. So again early in the season, but you’re now three and five. And what John alluded to at the beginning of the show before you jumped on is that Bobby’s Bobb’s a little upset with us because we’re getting real with him and and I think maybe he’s going to be a little bit late to coming around to it, but he’s trying to say a lot of good things are going are going um the Celtics way and a lot of bad things. And what I’m saying is a lot of good things, maybe a couple good things here and there, but not a lot. Not a lot. five. You’re you look I know it’s we’re eight games into the season. You can look at the standings all you want right now, but look at the standings. You’re looking at around you’re looking at the teams that should probably be around you in the standings to be completely honest. And they’re all non-playoff teams. So that’s I think where you’re at right now. And again, it’s early and you can count the things that are going well. Uh Jaylen Brown um you know the alpha hat suits him well right now. He was in full takeover mode tonight. total bully ball. Um got what he wanted. Willed the Celtics backed in. Scored about 13 points over a span of four minutes there in that fourth quarter. The 0 and93 is gonna hurt. But that’s a little bit of regression to the mean. He’s not a 48% three-point shooter, but if he’s got that number back up into 3738, he’s still not dunking. I’m not going to get into that because he was good. But he’s still not He had he had a couple opportunities where he would absolutely just just hammer a dunk and he’s not doing it yet. But again, you’re going to assume that’s coming. I hope. I hope. He’s still shooting. He’s He’s shooting the lights out. He’s getting terrific separation. He’s able to move. He’s able to get that mid-range off. He’s able to get to the basket. He’s using his physicality. Uh he was in beast mode tonight. So Jaylen is is is you’re happy with almost, you know, with most of what you’re getting there. Also, he had the Tommy Point play of the night hitting the deck on that loose ball there. You don’t see stars doing that every single every single night. He wanted this one. He wanted the win. Uh he play he played he played his he played his you know he played his ass off down the stretch. Um what else is going well? Yeah, a little bit of a Josh Min revelation for a couple games, but I think he might have turned into a pumpkin these last two, which is kind of what you’re gonna get here. Um, you know, Nimish Kada is not a total bust as your 1C, but he’s, you know, he’s not a world beater, but he’s been competitive. He’s been competitive and the overall compete level has been extremely high for this team um for most for most of the season. I don’t know what else we’re saying is good right now. Like, if you check if you check the good can’t shoot. Yeah, that’s what I’m saying. I mean, they’re shooting horribly. They can’t rebound. Defense is questionable. They’re following the crap they’re following the crap out of opponents. the turnover uh rate is high, but they’re doing that because they know that they can’t defend straight up and they’re trying to cause chaos uh and get those turnovers, but it’s also killing them on the glass, and it’s not translating to second chance uh to to uh you know, uh to uh you know, transition buckets. So, not a lot good right now. And again, we got someone else coming to the podium. Uh we’ll hear from them now. Might be Derek. Derek White. Speaking of not good. Yeah, another struggle. Whoops. Yeah, he’s probably the poster child for struggles right now. Sad Derek. Hate to see it. This is sad, Derek. I don’t like this Derek White. Yeah, like good with my energy. Um, even though I’m not shooting well, but thought I was shitty today, honestly. So, and I think I’m a big reason why they got back in that game. Do you do you find that it’s starting to weigh on anything else any other aspects of of the game? Uh I mean it’s tough. Um especially when you feel like you’re getting good looks. Um I think for a lot of us feel like we’re getting good looks and then you keep missing them. It’s frustrating but um sounds like a yes to me. Just keep going. Derek, you hold you guys held them to 36 points in the first half. They put up 38 in the third quarter. What did you see that change there? Uh I mean just bad I don’t know exactly what happened but um bad communication, bad um rotations. They kind of did whatever they wanted that that quarter and um like that’s been kind of like the whole year there’s always been that one quarter that uh seems to get us. You mentioned that being kind of a recurring issue with the one quarter. Is there anything that you guys can do to particularly fix that or just got to figure out a way to play for 48 minutes? Simple. I mean, it’s not simple, but like that’s what we have to do. I mean, obviously miss missing and making shots makes things a little better, but just our effort just wasn’t acceptable, especially in that third quarter. We have to do it. Just wasn’t ready. I don’t know. This wasn’t acceptable. This is painful. That was painful. That was I don’t know. Have we ever seen Derek White that sad? God, that hurt. That hurt me. That hurt. That Yeah. I don’t even want to I don’t even want to criticize him. Yeah. I feel Well, I I ever knew. Here’s the thing, though. I a lot of the stuff that Derrick White talked about was spot on. He’s not playing well. The as a team they’re playing not good basketball and this is a team that has a very small margin for not good basketball. Uh so that’s a problem. It’s it’s a big problem and the fact that you know you know he Derek when he was asked about you know whether it’s starting to spill elsewhere you know he he gave the the yes without saying yes response. um talking about it’s tough, man. It’s tough, which is, you know, that it’s basketball code without throwing anyone under the bus. Yeah. We’re It’s tough that we’re not able to just play harder for longer. Uh it’s my my concern with that is that we’ve seen Derek White like at the highest of highs and the lowest of lows. And Phil L. Yeah. When he’s when he’s high, he’s one of the most fun players to watch in the league. when he’s low, man. He he he needs to figure out a way to get himself like out of like the mental Yeah. whatever’s going on because remember remember when he kind of got traded to Boston, he kind of struggled at first and I think he admitted that it was tough for him and then at that point and then he had a really tough stretch was it last year where he said, you know, basketball wasn’t really even that fun for him and he was struggling at that point. He had to get himself out of that one. So, he’s got to figure out a way to get himself out of this season this season starting slump here cuz it’s it’s been pretty tough from the get-go. And I don’t know if if it has to do with a different role, if it has to do with maybe higher expectations, whether he put him on himself or whether other people have. I don’t know what if it has to do with the players around him or what, but you really you really hope that he can get himself back to where you where he needs to be because Jaylen Brown can be all NBA, but if he’s not getting any any help anywhere else, it’s it’s not going to matter. And tonight, you got a little bit from Pritchard to start the game. Pritchard looked like he was getting into a little bit of a a zone there in one of Pritchard’s better games of the year, but that tailed off in the second half. And so he ended up with just a Jaylen Brown game. And I don’t care who you’re playing, Jazz, whoever. It’s just not not enough in this league anymore. You got to have um a couple heads to the to the snake here if that’s the saying. Yeah, I’m still not Yeah. No, that’s exactly the saying. Um the uh I’m still I’m still I I Joe Misulla said it beforehand and I know it’s coach speak like you know he doesn’t think Derrick’s playing poorly. He just thinks he’s missing shots. I I tend to agree. I think I you know I think we look at that but the problem is like he on this team he’s being relied upon to be the number two scorer. And again among my concerns and I keep reiterating them it’s not victory laps. It just is what it is. Everyone’s like oh Derek and Pritchard will be fine. And my concern with why they might not be as I said at the beginning of the year is Jaylen Brown’s the only one used to this. Like Derek White does everything well. He’s smart. He makes the right reads. He plays defense. He’s gritty. He’s a good team defender. He’s a good floor general. He just does every basketball thing well. But on this team, he’s being asked to be the number two offensive option behind Jaylen Brown. And that’s just never been his bag. You know, Jaylen Brown going from the number two because I have to be because Tatum shoots a lot and we’re going to share the ball to number one. He’s got that in his DNA. Yeah, give me the ball. I’ll be the guy. That’s not a leap, but Pritchard and White are both being asked to take massive leaps forward in terms of the burden that they carry offensively on this team. So, it’s not shocking that they’re struggling. It’s not always just, oh, they’re just not they’re just missing shots. And in many cases, they are. And both are going to go through a hot streak and make you forget some of this stuff, too. But a lot of it is just what we said earlier is they’re in a position where they just don’t have as much help around them. They don’t have gra the gravity that you know is created by guys like Tatum and Porzingis to take the pressure off of them to give them more breathing room to give them more open looks to have defenders sag off them because they’re worried about somebody else. That’s not existing. I was at the Houston game and that was like, oh my god, that was like there was 11 guys on the court, you know, like everywhere these guys went, Pritchard and White, there was just people all over them, you know, that that doesn’t happen when you’ve got Tatum and Porzingis out there. Like everyone’s got to be concerned, you know, with like, oh geez, there’s a, you know, there’s this guy and there’s that guy. No, every time those guys at the ball, they were just swarmed. Um, so it’s harder. Life is harder for these guys right now. Um, and what are you going to ask him? Like, hey Derek, when are you going to be good again? Like, you know, a two question press conference is crazy here. But, uh, you know, well, it’s going to get to the point on what do you say? I mean, again, it’s early. But if Joe’s going to say he’s playing well, but missing shots, I mean, what what do you ask the guy? How do you survive it, I guess? And again, so going back to the thing we said, Jimmy, because I think this is important, like at the beginning, you know, we’re talking about like the reality and we’re go we’re having tough time like having conversations with like the Bobbies of the world and this and that who are kind of like looking at things through, you know, a little bit of a, you know, I’m not going to say, you know, like green, but just differently where we’re like, well, they look at the positive and say maybe we can spring forward and this will turn out positive and we’re looking at it a little bit differently here. You know, I think instead of worrying about what you and I say or what Bobby says or what, you know, the green teamers say or the haters say, like just listen to Jaylen Brown and Derek White at most of their press conferences. They’re telling you right now, it’s going to be rough. We don’t have a lot of talent. Like this isn’t the same. We’re working on it. We’re trying to figure it out. But like when Derek White’s fielding questions like why is it bad? He part of his answer wants to be like we’re we’re just not that we’re not as good, man. and we’re just or when they don’t take questions. Yeah. The guy the guys here aren’t as good and and and like he doesn’t want to say that, but he’s like exasperated a little bit. Like he knows he’s not doing his part, but they’re looking around the room. It’s like I we just don’t have the same guys, man. I don’t know what you want. Right. But even with Derek White’s nonverbal communication said a lot. I mean, he’s got the hoodie all the way on. He’s looking down. He’s got the hand over the face. He’s defeated. I mean, he looks like someone who is absolutely defeated. And and I I I’ll disagree with the fact that I do think his struggles are affecting him at both ends of the floor because Derek White is not the same defender that we’ve seen in the past in part because he has more responsibilities. It’s a greater burden. Yeah. It’s to me it’s it’s a problem and I think Derek is still is really trying to figure out how can I become a better all-around player knowing that I have to elevate pretty much every aspect of my game. And I think the the the transition from the role they’ve had in the past to where they are expected to do now, I think it’s a little bit easier for Peyton Pritchard because there were clear rooms of growth for his game. Like Peyton could become a better rebounder, could become a better playmaker, and as a starter, he’s getting that opportunities. And when his shot isn’t falling, Peyton has figured out more times than not how to help in other areas. But when you’re Derek White and you’re good at everything, now you just have to be good at everything only better, and become more more of an impact score. It’s a much harder challenge for you because he’s been on teams where he could they could uh survive him struggling because if your fourth or fifth option isn’t knocking down shots, you can still instead of win by 17, you might win by seven or eight. But when you’re the number two guy, you have to have a level of consistency. And Derek White hasn’t been able to do that. And again, I don’t know if it’s going to get better because again, you’re asking him to do something he’s never been asked to do before. He’s never been asked as an NBA player to be the number two option. And that’s what he’s asked to do now because they don’t have anyone with the prerequisite skills to be that. Uh, and you can say, well, what about Simons? He’s been a number one on a bad team. What does that translate to being number one, two, or three on a good team or on a on a better team? We don’t know what that looks like. Um, but Derek White, I think his body language has really said everything about where he’s at and where his game is right now. It’s just not where he wants to be and certainly not where the Celtics needed to be. Yeah, no doubt. Where is your game at? Where’s my game at? I’ll tell you your game right now. Prize picks your game. Okay, get in on the action right now. Quick pause for the cause. Tell you about our sponsor here at the Garden Report. And yeah, you know what I’m talking about. Cue the B-roll. All right, I’ll do it. David Bailey. No, it’s fine. This episode, as all episodes are brought to you by Prize Picks, Jimmy, we make decisions every day. Prize Picks, we do. Being right gets you paid. It’s that simple. Number one daily fantasy sports app in all of North America. 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It’s really really if you’re not paying attention, if you are, you know, if if you’re not, it’s really really devastatingly bad uh right now. Uh and Noah, our own Noah Dzel’s roommate uh is from Jamaica. We’re fundraising for her family, a friend that lost everything in Hurricane Melissa. Uh all of their belongings, currently staying and living in an office due to it being one of the few places that they can accommodate them during this time. the fundraiser uh will cover relocation costs while also covering necessary health related tests as a result of the hurricane. So the link is in the chat. You can do that also for the rest of this show. Any and all super chats that come into the garden report uh starting now um the uh anything now would go towards uh hurricane relief. So we have eight super chats right now. Uh Jimmy gets to keep all of that. Anything going forward going to Jamaica. I’m just kidding. He doesn’t get to keep all of it. Dude, you can I’m just kidding. I’m just kidding. I’m just kidding. Give these eight. Give these eight, too. We can give We are going to We are going to rip through some of these super chats right now. Uh Tilman, undersized unathletic center. This is from uh most hated. Tilman’s undersized unathletic center who can’t shoot threes. What’s the point of him? It’s a mean thing to say, but I see no lies right now. Like, you know, this is who he is. He’s a good backup, you know, physical, can defend, can switch. Um, again, I don’t know what’s going on, you know, here, but yeah, it’s been rough for sure. Can someone explain to me NHC77? Yeah, there’s a lot. What I mean, you guys can tell me what you thought about this one. This was a bad call. Player on the ground tripping. Jaylen wasn’t called. I don’t think I’ve seen that call. Not called until tonight. That seemed painfully obvious. Yeah. Yeah. I don’t know how you not call that. I mean, that that’s literally, you know, if you were to define a tripping foul, that’s literally what a tripping foul looks like. Yeah, it’s I don’t care if you slipped and fell, you you fell. You slipped and fell right in front of the guy dribbling the ball. It wasn’t even off ball, Sherrod. driving to the damn hoop and he gets tripped plain as day. I mean, they they swallowed the whistle on that one. I don’t know what happened there. I have a feeling I know for a fact that Jaylen Brown was pissed after that one. And it was a bad one. Yeah, be surprised. It was a bad one. Ripping through a couple more. Yo, one no two. I had hope for Kades fading like JB’s hairline. Ah, double burn. That one’s tough. Our buddy John Harop here. Soft tank baby. Keep on rolling. Bonus cashed out Celtics when they were winning. Sprinkle Jazz. Okay. Wow. John did a lot of things today. John made tonight. We still got to vi we still got to visit that food truck, John. I promise it’s coming. Uh, soft tank. Someone in the chat asked earlier what that is and people still struggle with this concept because yes, players do not tank. Management does. Management has already kind of determined what type of season this is going to be. If they win, they win. But how do you soft tank? You start to rest guys. You start to not focus on winning as much. you start to just kind of develop people. You you philosophically take a different approach to how you, you know, get into these games. You maybe don’t kill Jaylen Brown in a meaningless year playing him 40 minutes a night and start to build in some rest games. This is what it’s about and this is where it could go if things go off the rails. Obviously, you want to be competitive, but you want Jaylen playing 82 at 37 minutes a night. I don’t know. David Andrews, you don’t put him in like a Jaden Daniel situation. How about that? Yeah. Uh, David Andrews, we suck in the half. No wonder they want to force turnovers. True. No lies. That’s it’s gimmicky. Yeah, they’re they’re resorting to gimmicks based on personnel issues. Uh, John, again, as John says, why is boxing people out not popular in the NBA? I will never understand this. I’ll never understand it. It’s like the most fundamental thing you learn about the game. Yeah, Bobby’s body help someone. Find a body. Find a body. Turn around. Get him out. Box him out. Don’t keep him on your, you know, on your hip. Get him freaking on your backside. Uh, clear is Bobb’s entering the room here. Please make Bobby list the pros and cons when he gets on. That might happen. Um, we should ZP0423. Uh, this is a droid. Uh, Star Wars droid here. You need both Jay’s, not just one. And role players. Uh, absolutely. Uh, Jimmy J. This looks to be for Jamaica. Thank you very much. Prayers. Uh, and Noah D. It could also be for the Celtics, though. It could be for the Celtics. Like, we’ll take them. We’ll take them wherever we can get them. Uh, Noah D, why get rid of a contending team? Because we didn’t want the penalties and the second apron. And uh, you know, penalties don’t seem bad at all. Shaking my head. Yeah, we’ve had this conversation, too. I’m going to put this one back on the screen here. And because we’re gonna I I want Bobby to come out swinging. Please make Bobby list the pros and cons when he gets on. Okay. Be careful what you wish for. All right. Pros go. Look at him. He’s He’s salty as hell. His hands are just up in the air. I do. You know I’m You know I’m fed up, Sean. We This has been I know you are. I know it has. Listen, it’s going to be tough to defend this team after tonight. Uh the rebounding woke returned after four straight wins. So that was heading in the right direction. The shooting dipped to rock bottom. They’re now 29th in the league in three-point shooting. So that’s something that’s in the negative obviously here. But from a positive, it’s Jaylen Brown plus 21 in this game, able to get to the shots he wants and looking like he is capable of leading this team, driving this team. Sam Hower I would list as a positive. who’s been excellent to start this year. I feel like Namesh Kada has given them capable center minutes. So, oh, so we’re just gonna go off tonight with Hower. No, no, no, no, no. What we’re doing, Time out, time out. This is basically a microcosm of phenomenal. Okay. You’ve just listed one really good thing and two decidedly dead average things and called them really good. I’m just I just want to point that out. I just want to say regarding Harleser just because you mentioned him last three games four points, six points, three points overall for the season and and then sorry from three Jimmy. Okay, he’s at 45% like 39% of the season. That’s a pretty sizable chunk of the season at this point. Three games. Well then the full seven games there. Okay, fine. Pelicans nine points, Pistons eight points. He has two double digit points games. Anyways, go on more pros. I would list Kada as a pro overall to start this year. Simons is veering toward a negative. I like the start of the year. That’s heading in a wrong direction right now. I’ve liked Gar’s minutes. I’ve liked Min’s minutes despite the shooting diminishing a little bit here. And the ball control. You just said that Gar has been solid. And then the biggest one, the biggest one by far, Jimmy, and I’ll wrap it here, is their ball control advantage, which is a pretty major positive for them. They are dominating the turnover battle right now this season. And if shooting does come around, and I don’t know if you guys think they’re going to be the worst shooting team in the league. Maybe they are. They’re going to be a better team than we’ve seen to this point. Look what you did. Doesn’t like it. Look what you did to Sherrod, man. Your pros are down here. I I get it now. Your pros are down here, Bobby. My pros are up here. In order for it to be a pro, my barometer is up here. Yours is down here because Garza doesn’t make my list of pros. Sorry. Um, so that’s the theme on a scale, right? No, we’re not. We’re not. We’re not. We are. We It is good is object. Like we are not because on a scale that means you’re talking about a bad team that we recognize as bad and saying they’re doing okay considering how bad they are. We’re not. We’re looking at it objectively and saying actually he’s not either. Don’t let him switch it up. He’s not either. Now he’s trying to change the change the narrative here. Bobby, you are not scaling that. Your pros are not based on a scale. You have this you had this as a playoff team. You had this as a team that can compete so on and so forth. And they still might. They still might. And now it’s on a scale. And I’ll say, Bobby, the biggest the biggest pro, Bobby, the biggest pro that you’re missing is none of those guys are actually pros in the sense of like they’re be might be slightly better than expected and Josh Mayot would be in that category too to start the season and then he tapered. The best thing going for them is buyin and energy and then Jaylen Brown being able to kind of play in that alpha role. But everything else has been inconsistent. I’m trying to name specifics though. Yeah, I mean there’s like a generally good vibe around this team. There is the buying as you mentioned there and the effort level the effort level dipped tonight and I think Joe acknowledged as much first time this year that that’s happened. Um and you can’t My big thing coming into tonight, you you started off with the pros, so that’s where I started. My big thing coming into tonight is, and a big reason I thought that they’d be able to exceed expectations this year, John, is they could beat up on the Utah of the world. They could take advantage of the Brooklyn’s of the world. Are they separating themselves from this team? That was my question coming into tonight. They’re going to play the Wizards on Wednesday. Are you going to beat the Wizards and Jazzes of the world by 15, 20 points? There were times where it looked like they were capable of that tonight, but they didn’t string it together. And we saw Yes. And we saw once again, this is the biggest conversation we’ve had this year, the margin for error is too slim. Couple bad minutes, a bench unit that can’t string together points, a bad shooting night. There are any number of things that could sink you against anybody. So tonight’s lesson is every single game is going to be hard for this team this year. Um there might be some easy games where you know opponents are demoralized like the Cleveland game or you know you just catch a team on a bad scheduling and again Utah was in a bad scheduling stretch here on a back to back. This is a rough one because I thought you’d be able to take advantage of these teams pretty handily. You on paper are much better than this Utah team, but they came out and outplayed you, hit you where you were weak, um found ways to come back from down double digits, out coached you in many ways. Uh this is tough cuz the schedule’s been difficult. They’ve had a tough scheduling like in terms of amount of games through the past week here. So you chocked up that Houston loss to five games in seven nights. Joe’s big thing before this game was you can give them grace for this loss against Houston just because of the scheduling and all that, but how do you respond to it? And this was not a great response here. Yeah. Um, and I guess, you know, that’s the thing, Bobby. You know, we were saying at the beginning, and again, I don’t want to overreact to any win or any loss because, again, I think, you know, each of us feel the way that we feel, and we need to see it for a lot longer to see what’s going to work, what was fool’s gold, what might be found money, you know, all of that stuff. I don’t know. I I you know, I I I don’t actually know. So, we will uh, you know, see what happens here. But, you know, the Houston thing was a reality check just in terms of like, holy crap, that’s a really good team. Um, the Utah, this is what we talked about is you’re not good enough to walk a really bad team and you’re you’re Yeah. You’re not good enough to walk into any any arena. This is I said this at the beginning and in a lot of our text chats, you’re not good enough to walk in any arena and and and and beat a team just because you are who you are. you know, you you have to play hard, which you know, again, the effort, as you said, and you know, you gotta, you know, you have to, you know, you can’t shoot 11 for 51 from three, you know, like there’s just the margin for error is really, really, really uh uh the three thing is starting to piss me off a little bit. It is. And Gary got into that. I want to get your thoughts on it uh when we get uh you know uh we get Noah on and and and hear your thoughts on on that. And I I’m curious why because I actually don’t know how else they’re going to score if they don’t shoot them. Uh but before we do that, I want to tell you guys about our pals over at Omaha Stakes. And yeah, we’re still running this promotion. So I want you guys to get in on the action. 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Have it sent off as a gift and check it out. I’ve already ordered two boxes myself. One of them I ate the other night. One I mean there’s a lot of them. I ordered eight steaks. Uh, and then a and then a roast as well. Coming around Christmas. I can’t eat them every night, but it it delicious. Check it out. 100% certified tender. Check it out right now. Uh, getting back into the game itself. And Bobby said the threes bothered him. So, Bobby, tell me why that is. And we’re going to welcome Noah in as well. It’s not the threes. It’s not the threes that bother me. It’s Joe’s unwillingness to address it. like you want to be a three-point shooting team, you want to put up 50 a game, you want to be that kind of team, great. I have no problem with it. And I’ve defended him because I think it keeps their turnover rate down. I think they have the shooters to play that kind of style. It’s a common criticism of this team that I just don’t think stacks up a lot of the time. But you can’t start a season through what are we seven games in now or whatever. It’s not a huge sample, but you can’t start a season like this and have a game like this tonight and not acknowledge the role that that variance that that style that the downsides of committing to the three that much have. They shot nearly 60% of their attempts from three tonight. They’re not going to the free throw line because they shoot the fewest shots in the league at the rim. They’ve throughout his tenure gone to the extreme of three-point volume playing that game and not having other valves offensively to lean to when you go ice cold. It’s the reason they lost to the Knicks. And so to get mad when you even utter the word three to not address like their shooting um quality through these games. I know they’re missing some open threes here, but there just has to be some accountability for some of the offensive lapses that they’ve had leaning too much into the three. And you might be right, John. It might be the only way that they can survive. And I’m almost certain that’s how Joe feels about this right now. Yeah. But it just it frustrates me when you shoot 51 threes have this kind of night and you can’t even acknowledge that you didn’t get the best quality looks in this game cuz if you’re not getting them if they’re too soon into the shot clock you’re rushing them whatever it might be you’re not able to create any separation so you’re putting them up against it’s rough let’s work in Noah Noah your top takeaways from tonight my top takeaway takeaways is that I might not do a positive takeaways episode after this game. Whoa. Rest in peace to the positive takeaways. I might have to take a night off because to be honest with you, I think there were multiple issues. I mean, the rebounding that we talked about being a massive problem earlier in this season has returned in dramatic fashion. I thought that it was very it was very emblematic of this whole team struggles that they lost on a putback that was relatively uncontested. I mean that was as easy as a put back as you’ll get by Nerkitch. So that is one fundamental problem that I think is challenging. The other thing is that Joe Mazoula will pretty much never call out effort. I actually maybe he’s done it in his maybe he’s done it in his tenure but I could very few I can’t honestly can’t remember a time that he’s done it. And so when he called out the team’s effort in the third quarter today, um that to me was pretty intentional. Like he doesn’t do that, you know, he they’ve obviously not played hard. Um but this was not, you know, that’s not within really kind of within his his speech. So I followed up with him specifically because I was like you haven’t said this this year and I actually don’t think he’s ever said it but um so that that is an issue because as I’m sure you guys have discussed in the last hour like this team cannot afford to not be the harder playing team and especially Jaylen said it but like the Jazz are the second backtoback on the road like it’s you have no it’s it’s kind of remarkable they’re even in position to win this game considering those two factors. Sorry. Honestly, like I it’s less the threes for me. Like I think that, you know, I know we we could talk about the threes all day, but those two things are what kind of what’s front of mind at least on the first watch. Like I’ll I’ll rewatch this game and I’ll probably it’ll probably marinate a little bit, but that’s that’s kind of what stood out. Yeah. And that call sucked, but that’s it did. That’s not Yeah, but that’s not the point. But that was absurd call, right? So, we I just want to point out, and Bobb’s going to jump in here because he’s got he’s got he’s got a retort. Um, this game broke Derek White and it broke Noah. Um, and break me. I don’t feel these are these are sad things for me to see. Okay. Even though even though I think you like it. No, I don’t. I don’t I don’t I don’t I don’t love I don’t I don’t always want to be right. Okay. It just it it happens. I don’t want it just happens. I don’t want to be changing my view of this team through the 82 games. I’m just talking about this tonight’s game just to be clear. On after game 81, maybe you’ll change it. But yeah, go ahead, Bobby. Okay. I’ll say two things, Noah, because I I expect I don’t know how you felt, but I did expect a slow start to this year given the new personnel, all the reasons you could list off here. It is difficult to lose a handful of games at this point that you probably should have won if we’re going to project this team to exceed expectations. They’ve been pretty healthy so far. The schedule’s been tough, but they’ve had moments like this one where you get an advantage on a team against a backtoback. So they could have a much better second half of the year, a more consistent second half of the year, but this doesn’t impact your thought that they’re going to exceed expectations here. A three and five start. Not particularly. May maybe I wouldn’t pick 45 if I was redoing it at this point, but I wouldn’t pick way off that. Wait, Bobby, pick a lane. Which one? Wait, wait a second. Before Before Noah Noah before Noah came on, we were saying you can’t have a balanced view. Wait, which No, you can you can’t switch views like before we Jimmy and I were hammering away on the text thread like 30 minutes ago. You’re like, there’s I still think there’s a lot of good. I feel like there’s a lot of positive. I’ve said there’s a lot of good, there’s a lot of bad. That boils down to Bobby, you had them you you had them winning 45 games, right? Yeah. I had them exceeding expectations this year, maybe pushing up to six in the East of the O of the three people here who had them better than 500. I will say that Noah had them with the fewest amount of wins in our bold predictions. Just just between Sherrod, Sherrod, Bobby, and Noah. Um just so that is. And Jimmy was the lowest at 35. I came in at 38, I believe. What shock? I don’t want to be right, but it just happens, right, Jimmy? It just happens. It just happens. What shock? My six or seven cents. I felt like this offense was going to be really good given some of the personnel that they had coming back. That’s been the struggle. Going to be really good. Really good. Yeah. I thought they’d be excellent with the amount of shooting they have some depth at different positions. Simon’s coming in, but that’s where they struggle defensively. Let me ask you guys a question here. Um, so again, I I hate having to qualify everything. Let’s just just go straight up with it. Josh Min, did he turn into a pumpkin tonight? Is the Is the Is the dream dead? you know, uh, of, you know, I I’m not going to say, but look, we know why Josh May not was valuable here. They they needed him desperately in that front court to aid both defensively and with the rebounding. It was a good move. It probably led to a couple of wins there. Uh, it was a jolt that they needed, but now you’ve seen them kind of go away from him because the offensive deficiencies are becoming so glaring that it becomes a problem. And this is a concern which is you have some players that can do one thing but not the other thing. And which one are you going to you know you got to pick your poison each night. I’m not saying May not played himself out of the starting lineup or the rotation but he didn’t start the second half. His minutes were lower and reduced here. And I think a lot of that a lot of that has to do simply with the him being Josh Minot which is a player who doesn’t have a very polished offensive game. brings a lot of energy, uh, you know, as we’ve seen, but can only take you so far. What are your thoughts? That energy that he brings, uh, it can’t just be him running up and down the court all game long. It has to actually have an impact on the actual game being played. And I think the last couple games, it hasn’t been that. I mean, he’s he’s done the things that Josh might not typically does, but it hasn’t been gamechanging or high impact. And that’s what happens when your calling card is energy. Sometimes great energy doesn’t result in great results or even good results. And I think we’re seeing that with him because his game has to evolve from a skill standpoint. And that that’s one of the things you like about Josh Miner. There’s a lot of room for him to get better. But between that point and where he’s at now, you’re going to have nights like this where the energy is going to be good. I mean, he was plus six when he was on the floor, but he really didn’t do a whole lot as far as significantly impacting the game, which is what we saw early on in the first, you know, week or so of the season. So yeah, I I think Joe Missoula is going to do what Joe is going to have to do all season long, and that is keep trying to find guys who not just play with great energy, but guys that can make a great impact on the team in terms of winning games or at least competing. And that was a disappointing part about this game. They just didn’t have anyone, Josh, might not included, who was giving the kind of effort that allowed this team to compete because there there’s it’s inexcusable that you lose to a team like Utah on who’s coming in a backtoback. And I’m granted they were 11 for 51 from three-point range, but energy and great effort will get you some of those missed shots for for twos and get you second and third shot opportunities or you’ll create more turnovers. It’ll do something that can give you an opportunity to win a game that you really should have won. Uh and you know, the bad call against Jaylen Brown, yes, it was part of the narrative of why they lost, but it by no means was the only reason or the main reason why they lost. They simply didn’t work hard. And seeing sad Derek White was maybe the saddest thing I’ve seen in a long time. Uh I mean the hoodie just rubbing the head just doing all the things like I don’t I I could be anywhere in the world but here and I’ll I’ll be glad to be there. Um sad. Yeah. But that’s where they are though. That’s where he’s at. So comment John just put up. I mean not picked up what three fouls in the first half and and it didn’t seem like he really got into a flow of things. I like Minot in his I like Minot in a role that suits Minot and right now because they’re short staffed, right? He’s everyone’s playing up. Rustin is the starting lineup. He’s being asked to do a lot more than he probably can do. But he can give you energy. He can play hard on both ends of the court. And if he does those things, Missoula will keep him in the game. I thought tonight, you know, if he’s not giving you enough of that, what he gives you on offense is not enough to keep him out there on the court, especially if he’s going to pick up fouls. So, it was a quick hook for him tonight. And then, and then obviously he was replaced uh in the second half with Hower. Um I still think Min can help this team. And I think he might be a guy, again, I think Jaylen Brown said earlier this year, he would have been a great guy to have in previous teams. He might be a good guy to have on future teams, right, when he doesn’t have to be in the starting lineup. But it’s not all Minot’s fault. I mean, he’s in there with hopes that Brown’s going to do his thing, White’s going to do his thing, Pritcher’s going to do his thing, and, you know, Simons is going to come in and do his thing. And other than Brown and Pritchard for the first half, you didn’t get enough offense from White. You didn’t get enough from um Can I just say this, Jimmy? As you say this, it’s pissing me off still. Sure. Like, this guy’s not a great shooter. So, if you’re just gonna put him out there and have him take a couple threes and that’s gonna decide whether he has a good night or not offensively, you’re gonna get there. Yeah. I don’t think that’s why he’s why he didn’t play, though. I I think he didn’t play is because he he got into foul trouble. He wasn’t I don’t think he was playing smart basketball out there today. And he doesn’t give you enough offensively, Bobby, to put up with the lack the lack on the defensive side. So, that’s might as well have Hower out there. What? Yeah, that the point that you made, Jimmy, about just you talked about Brown, you talked about White, you talked about Pritchard, you talked about Simons. Here’s the thing of those four guys, three of those four guys, I think it’s fair to say, are playing at or below their normal level. Correct. And May not is a guy that for him to be good, the guys ahead of him have to be good. Uh he’s not a guy that can create his own impact. He has to be in a situation where our guys around him are also doing their jobs. And when that’s not happening, he’s not going to look very good because this game is limited. That’s again I I I I don’t want to go ahead. No, go ahead. No, go ahead, John. Sean right now. It’s the same thing I’ve been saying since three months ago and and I said in the preseason predictions and I said 10 minutes ago, everyone is being asked to punch above their weight and it’s a problem. That’s the problem. That’s not why they lost this game. He’s not the reason they the reason it’s not about May not it’s if you go down the box score it’s not about my not everybody he yeah so far this season every single game one of these guys has brought this electric energy except for the Rockets game you look down the line today it’s like Luca Garza not didn’t do that didn’t do that Baylor didn’t do that Chris Buchet didn’t do that like there’s a reason why there’s like 10 like five guys that play 10 minutes or less but none of them or six guys that play 10 minutes or less. It’s like I think Joe was trying to get one of these guys to stick and it really just didn’t happen tonight. I’ll also note Jaylen Brown was a plus 21 and he played 38th minutes in this game. The minutes that Jaylen Brown was off the floor, they were outscored by 22 points. Like that’s absurd. And I’m not a huge plus minus person because I think that there are a lot of limitations to that. But like that kind of shows you a part of the story of this game of like how much this team has not been able to survive without him on the floor. Um and so to me it’s just like the fact it needs to be somebody. It has to either be Ugo that comes in and gives you that or Jordan or whoever else. And when it’s nobody, you have what you saw tonight. And that’s like my initial thought on what we saw in this game, especially in that second half where there was really like a very flat energy that I do think was not representative of how the season has gone whatsoever. And that’s why the energy is one thing, but I I just want to go back to it, Noah. Like, but you’re going to get inconsistent play often times from just lots of players on the team because that’s who they are. It it is a it is a you are what you are scenario. You know effort is one thing. The other is you can play with effort and just simply you know these guys are just going to be who they’re going to be. And this is what I’ve been saying from the get-go. It’s always going to be a challenge because every single player with the exception of Jaylen Brown is being asked to do things they’ve never really done before. Uh and they’re a being asked to punch above their weight uh all the way through the lineup. And that includes a lot of the starters. Derrick White now having to be a secondary scoring option. Pton Pritchard moving into the starting lineup and being their number three scoring option. You know, Neimus Kada starting center after going for a couple minutes a game, whether it’s Minard or Hower starting, all of these guys are being asked to kind of carry a much larger burden than they’re used to. So, sometimes you’re going to look at it and be like, well, if this just happened or the shots just fell or such and such, there’s a reason why that’s not happening. I don’t think it’s just bad luck. I think it’s just it’s harder for these guys to succeed. It’s harder for these guys to succeed in their roles without the without all of the talented players they had around them that made their jobs a little bit easier. This is going to continue to be a problem uh all season long. Yeah. And that’s why I look to the creator. I like I just can’t get on Amina and Aada and guys who are fighting. Maybe their energy wasn’t on the par tonight, but it has been throughout the season. I think if we’re looking at the year in totality, which is what I want to keep doing here because I’m not just going off one game or this game or that, you know, when they win they’re great, when they lose they’re terrible. If we’re looking at this whole season in totality, Jaylen’s been able to consistently attack mismatches, do what this team did in previous seasons, because if we’re being a thousand% honest, the offense that they’re running this year hasn’t been all that different from what they’ve done in recent years. Like, I think they’re still trying to set up Jaylen in some of those mismatch situations. They’re still trying to rotate guys over and kick out for threes. They’re still doing a lot of the same stuff here. The pace hasn’t even been that much more uh extraordinarily higher than recent years if we’re looking at statistically here. So Jaylen’s doing his thing there. I look at Derek and Pritchard who, you know, I’ll give some leeway. They’ve missed shots. They’ve struggled to hit open threes. They’re mostly doing their jobs outside of that shooting. But are they going to be able to consistently expose a mismatch? Are they going to be able to consistently give you the scoring as the second and third options on this team that you’re going to need to get by on most nights? And so far, the answer is no. For whatever reason, whether it’s just misses, whether it’s the strain of doing everything now in these starting lineups and in these bigger roles, having bigger defensive assignments, whatever it might be. Um Joe saying that the faster pace has impacted their legs. There’s any number of reasons that we can explain why those two guys have struggled to start this year. And I I was saying to Noah earlier, like I have flipped on my concern being greater for Pritchard than it was for White. My concern is definitely higher for White than it’s been for Pritchard at this point. Well, Noah Noah, let me ask you. You got your Noah, you got your Pritchard game, which was good because I I think a lot of us I think he was especially good today. No, but I mean the shot started falling where it wasn’t before. And again, it started three of five and he only made one of his one of his final six shots here, but again, closer to his average and closer to what you’re used to seeing. At least to see that three go down a little bit was better and he has been, as you said, you know, he was doing some work from two-point range. Uh, but talk about Derek White’s struggles. Like Joe before the game said, I don’t think he’s playing bad at all. Shot’s not going down. Do you agree with that? I think he looks like he’s really in his head and I don’t know that like I think what Joe’s point is when he’s talking about that is that it’s not like he’s missing shots and now he’s not playing hard on defense which obviously is a phenomenon that happens quite a bit in the NBA where offense and we’ve seen it on this Celtics you know Celtics run under Missou plenty of times where you know it seems like that there’s a direct impact there I don’t know that I’ve seen Derrick like not playing as hard but he doesn’t look like himself offensively at all and I felt this way for a couple weeks now or you the last couple games here that Peyton seems like he’s just missing clean looks. I don’t feel like Dererick is getting the same looks that he used to get. And he’s also I’m not saying he’s taking bad shots, like I I would have to like really go through and look at every single shot to say that, but sometimes they’re quick releases, sometimes they’re not within a good flow. And it’s hard because that’s kind of his game, too. Like Derek takes some crazy threes, but he’s not feeling it right now. And so some of these shots, like I don’t know if he shouldn’t take them or if it’s because he’s taking it because he doesn’t think they can get a better look later, which is a problem. But I don’t like what’s happening with him offensively right now. It doesn’t feel like he’s just missing clean looks. And I do feel like that’s what’s been happening with Pritchard. And that’s not me putting like a like that doesn’t mean that Pritchard’s fine and Dererick sucks. Like it’s not bad at all. It’s just he might have he might have lost more uh in this carryover from last year to this year than Peyton did as far as and Peyton’s been very adamant too. Like he was very adamant today, but he has been really every time we’ve spoken to him that he really likes the shots that he’s getting. And I think his struggles have been more pronounced because people are so considering like the who should be starting or coming off the bench where that hasn’t he’s been honestly fine like relative to most people’s expectations I would say. I don’t think Payton should we worry because he’s he is literally getting the same shots that he got. Yeah. Is Derek for sure not though? Like it feels like he’s not Derek’s not. Yeah. That’s the thing like he doesn’t look comfortable on offense and he’s made it work here and there. like he had a couple games where like down the stretch he started attacking the basket and like kind of just except for the fact the three was not dropping, but he’s not getting like a ton of clean threes. I don’t think it just Well, that’s but that’s what happens when you as as John pointed out um that’s what happens when you move up the pecking order. Uh you’re not going to get the same looks because the role that teams have you in terms of the scouting report is very different. But that’s the thing is how much of it is him having to create more and pull up more as opposed to That’s exactly what it is. and and that’s and that’s across the board where I I said this at the top of the show guys just to recap when everyone’s like I said everyone’s being asked to punch above their weight part of it is before there’s a lot of catch and shoot opportunities because of the gravity of all the players around you and now you’re have to create more of your looks and I and I cited the Houston game that’s exactly what the issue is where it was impossible for Derek White and Pton Pritchard to get space because they were getting swarmed by super athletic larger defenders and you could see how hard they were working and how almost impossible it was to be able to get free and into a position where they could get the type of looks that they’re accustomed to getting. So, yeah, you don’t have I didn’t mean to steal your thunder, but this is what happens. This is what happens when you have don’t have guys all over the floor that teams have to be worried about can do things. So, yeah. And like I think that’s the perfect way to put it is that he he has to create everything. Like the if you’re looking at the uh percentage of his shots that are unassisted versus assisted now, it’s a pretty drastic diff difference from over last year. There were some possessions in this game where you just saw him going one-on-one trying to find space, trying to just dribble his way into a shot. And so you see it right on the film how difficult it is for him right now. And unlike Pritchard who I feel like has generated a good amount of open shots to this point, the defense is keying in on Derek. And you know, Will Hardy said it before the game. I don’t know if he meant like we’re keying in on him more and it’s not going under the radar, but he says this just isn’t a guy who is going under the radar anymore necessarily. So, I think he’s definitely higher up on team scouting reports. I looked at the Jazz scouting report in the locker room because sometimes it’s just sitting there on the whiteboard and you know it’s pocket threes for White, pocket threes for Pritchard. like they’re just trying to take away those threes and if you look at pitch um white right now he has the second most three-point attempts in the league and I don’t feel like a lot of them have been great quality necessarily here I did see his dad before the game and so you know I went over to him and I was like all right what are you seeing here like first is you know is he frustrated through the stretch like is he a guy who gets down when he’s shooting like this and he said no you know that’s not really you know what he does when he’s struggling like this but he does see him really struggling with the screeners. Like these centers, these guys that they have right now in the pick and roll with him just aren’t generating the same amount of space that the Horfords, that the Coronets, that the Porzingises of the world did in the past. So that’s a product of your personnel. I don’t feel like they’ve had a prolific pick and roll game this year. You’re not seeing like him and Kada, you know, setting up for alley plays. You’re not seeing guards a roll of the rim for a lot of looks out there. Um, and certainly Buché hasn’t given them a ton at that position either, other than, you know, putting up some jump shots. So, I did like I did like the hair tonight, though. Yeah, I like that they’re giving them out there. I like the look. Um, we a couple super chats I want to throw out there. And I also want to remind anyone here, as we said earlier uh in the show, all of these super chats uh and all of the proceeds we get off of them are going to hurricane relief to help u the, you know, Noah’s roommates’s family. um uh in Jamaica uh Hurricane Ravage Jamaica and we’re going to put up the uh information for that uh donation. Once again, there’s a QR code you see right over here. Do that. Get to that to donate. Uh D White used to create shots last year in Actions with Tatum. What happened? Where’d it go? Disappeared. I was trying I was trying to do it too. Now he has to do the same things with Mayan. Of course, he’s uncomfortable. Uh, thank you very much, David Andrews. And then ZP0423, Celtics 3 and 17 when D. White shoots 12 plus 3s. That’s an interesting stat if true. Um, since 2021. Fascinating. That is a fascinating stat. I want to put this up one more time. Uh, help rebuild after flood support uh needed for hurricane relief in Jamaica. Noah, you you could probably uh uh do this promo better justice than I did. Uh, we mentioned it at the top of the show. You can donate through the code. It’s pinned in the chat as well. And any super chats we get, we’re going to send the proceeds over there as well. But no, why don’t you give it a plug? Yeah, my roommate’s from Jamaica. She obviously is, you know, has been following very closely and keeping us up to speed about everything that’s been going on over there. A category f five hurricane, one of the worst hurricanes ever in that region. I’m sure people have seen it on the news, but uh there’s a GoFundMe going for her family friend who they pretty much lost everything, their house, all their belongings. because they have a lot of medical concerns now because they had to swim through this like very dangerous water uh which is very toxic and so they have medical bills and all of that and they also don’t have like literally anything right now. So uh yeah, we’re just using this show as an opportunity to help fund raise. Also, I’m matching the first $500 in donations. So anything that we raised tonight, I will match up to $500 and I’ll post some receipts hopefully tomorrow if we get there. So um yeah, thanks everybody. Yeah. Um, so, uh, again, not your last chance. You can do this through the duration of this show. Uh, you watch this on repeat. Again, it’s all there. Uh, and Noah, you can just check out Noah’s Twitter for more information if you want to donate. Uh, as well, we’re trying to reach a goal here, but it would be nice to exceed it as well. Um, so please be generous and kick in. And again, any super chats we get over the duration of this show, the rest of the way, uh, will go in here. Uh, can the CLNS crew give us their best player that is not walking through that door? In the chat right now, people have been naming obscure players uh that are not walking through that door. That’s not obscure. That’s who I want. That name rings a bell. I’ve heard of that guy before. I’m sorry. I missed the obscure piece. I didn’t That’s like when you said uh Ghostbusters was niche or something like that. You know, you know who’s not walking through that door? Thank god Mark Blount because if he was Yeah. he’d scam the whole organization out of a contract. He’d probably rip down 15 boards a game, no problem. And then he’d get his fat payday and then it disappear and it’d be and I think right now I think Mark Blount is like the manager of like 15 Auntie Annies in like Florida or something like that. You know who’s not walking through that door? Milt Palasio is not walking through that door. Palasio is not walking through that door. By the way, Milt Palasio, author of one of the greatest, most improbable probability flips ever in a game when he stole a pass with the Celtics down two at half at at half court and falling out of bounds, hit a three-pointer to win a game. But Strikovic is also not walking through that door. Yeah, Kevin Gelli is not AC Earl AC Earl is not walking through that door. We need centers. I mean obscures. Kendrick Brown isn’t walking through that door either. Hey guys, we got to put this one up. Big super chat. He’s definitely not walking through that door. Monster super chat. We’re We’re sending this directly to Noah’s friend from Gregory L. Clerk. $199.99. Oh my god. A big one here. Damn. Okay, Greg. Very, very nice, Greg. Thank you very much. That’s very nice of you and thank you to everybody. Even, you know, it doesn’t have to be that big a number, but it certainly is nice. Everybody who’s donated tonight, we do thank you every little bit. Isn’t walking through that door either. No, he’s definitely not. He’s definitely not. Andrew D clerk isn’t walking through that door. We need Dino Raja is not walking through that door. Eric Montro Eric Montross is not walking through that door. Someone said Dino just at the same time as I did. Yeah. Eddie Pinkney not walking through that door. If you want bigs. No, he’s not. Yeah, that’s too bad. Tony Bat is not walking through that door either. No, Chris Humphre is not walking through that door. No, Chris Humphre isn’t isn’t walking through any doors. Don’t say Montros. Yeah, we Baker. This season would be great for Vin. Two bucks for Eric Williams. Send it to Hurricane Relief. Yes, absolutely. Eric Williams isn’t walking through the door either. Guys, we’ll give you five minutes here. Give us a super chat and an obscure Celtic. Goel. Yeah, there we go. Joe, Celtics Media is not walking through that door. Sending $10 to hurricane relief. Thank God. No, they’re not walking through the door, but they’re getting they’re getting the floor mopped with them. Blown off. They’re getting their doors blown off as we speak. Play with good energy, though. Um I got the number for you here, John. Um and I’ll give credit to uh Justin Turpin who pointed this out to me earlier. Um, percentage of field goals assisted for Derek White this season. Last year on two-pointers, well, doesn’t really matter. 46 to 42 in terms of percentage assisted, but the three-pointer, 81% of his threes last year were assisted. To start this year, just 65. So, that has dropped drastically. He’s creating everything himself effectively here. H Yeah. Hm. H. Interesting. Uh, all right. Where do we go from here, guys? What’s the next game? Wizards. No, there win that one. From bad. You guys do not want to be on this show. You guys do not want to watch if they lose that one. I will be I’m going to be on the show Wednesday night for sure. I might fall ill if they lose that game. Right towards the buzzer. Sean, there is there is one there is Can I hijack the production for a second or no? Yeah, sure. Why not? There’s one thing I want. We haven’t played this yet this year, but I think it’s time. No. No. Off games. I don’t know which one is it. Jimmy. Jimmy, stop it. Get it off the screen. Jimmy. Jimmy. Damn it. Jimmy. Jimmy. Is there a better one? Oh, yeah. There is a better one. Damn. I forgot about that one. Uh, no. I’m not panicked. I’m sticking with 38 wins. Your mic. Micah. Mic alert. Mic alert. Let’s try that again. It’s [Music] How about now? Okay. How annoying. If I hit any button I app I mute. I mute or I play one of those things. It knocks my mic offline. It’s so bizarre. Anyway, I want to play because I want to get the answers from these two. I’m in the same place. Jimmy and I are in the same place. We’re exactly where we were. Yeah. Red. Literally nothing’s changed. What about you guys? We’re not panic. This is happening. What? This is what’s supposed to happen. Yeah. This is what happens when you do the things they’ve done in the off season and you play the way they do. you knew it was going to be an up and down type season. So, there’s nothing they’ve done that surprises me at this point. They are who, as you know, the super chat said earlier, they are who they are. I’m I’m mildly concerned about the offense and some of the wells guys are going through, but I’m in like the the yellow, like the one right above green there. I I I’m just not in panic mode yet because again, I think they figured out quite a bit at this stage of the season. We’re two weeks in. The schedule’s been pretty tough. This is the first loss this year that’s really made me feel terrible. Um, and so I’m not gonna jump off the, you know, cliff because of one game. Can I ask you a question? Not just panic meter. What made you feel worse, this loss or Houston? Because like you can chalk up. I for sure this one really I I I think Houston and I’ll tell you why. with you, John. I’m with you, John. Actually, I like that. This is like, okay, this this sucked. You played bad. You shot horribly. You had one bad quarter against a crap team and you lost, but like you’re not that much better than them. Houston showed you that happens. Houston showed you what a massive gulf there is between good and you. Like massive gulf. Massive. I don’t feel that way. That’s how I felt. Did you see that during the but did you need to see that to know that there was the massive goal? No, because look, you just beat Cleveland by playing harder than them. And again, they were a little short-handed as well, but the Houston was this is this was this was coaches versus media, you know, like this is a bad one. Like this they don’t have they don’t have a chance here. Like it was a bad bad Houston didn’t even have a great start to the season. I think you’re more I think if you’re the Celtics personally, you’re more demoralized after Houston than you are after tonight. Tonight you chalk it up to it wasn’t our night, we had a bad one. Houston is like Jesus, man. We are not good. Okay, that’s a good team. Okay. Yeah, that’s how I felt. So, I I’m not m I’m not as I’m not as down about this one. I want to know how this one panic meter though. Oh, yeah. Where are you on the panic meter? And then I had one more topic. want to be my um nope, not panicking, but I do think that this was a very discouraging loss if there’s going to be a discouraging loss because you have like like has been said on the show multiple times tonight, like this is the kind of game you have to win based on who you’re facing. Um and then also you just can’t afford to not be the harder playing team like at all. Um and I think that you were. And then the other piece I’ll say is individually I feel like Jaylen’s around where I thought he would be this season. Peyton’s honestly around where I thought he was would be. I thought he’d be shooting a little bit better. Um, a little concerned about Derek just like I had Derek as an all-star the season. That was my prediction. So, like that’s if Yeah, if you had told me like, you know, two weeks into the season, three weeks into the season, like how’s Derek looking? I wouldn’t think he’d be looking the way he’s looking right now. So, I guess he could be my biggest delta as far as like expectations versus what’s actually trans transpired here over the past few weeks is I just expected him to be able to create his own shot a little bit better and to be kind of like I mean I think three of the five of us had or I don’t know if you were Yeah, I think I think three of the five of us had the best player on this team over Jaylen and I think Bobby and I were the only ones that still said Jaylen was the best player on this team. So, confidence as a as a group, right, about his You guys needed a win. Yeah, we needed a win and I made sure we called it out here. Hey, hang on to that one. That’s a good one. Noah, I was looking for it early. I needed you earlier. Notice how I woke that in. John, Noah’s win is Derek White sucks. Got it, guys. No, I’m just saying I think even like Jimmy who were very low on this team were high on what Dererick could do this season. So, that to me is the biggest surprise, I guess, in a negative way. No, I needed you earlier when I was getting bullied by these three over here before you lock. That was nothing, Bobby. It’s g be a long year. All right, job. No, I a lot a lot of a lot of the chat um was uh was having the Philippski versus Baylor Shyman um about going there, John. Yeah. And and look, let’s be real, like he hasn’t been great either, but he’s played, but it’s also a bad His numbers aren’t good. His numbers aren’t great, but he he did some good things tonight. Um I am a little not disappointed. You want to see a little bit of momentum carry off of it. And again, it was a blowout, but Baylor Shyman playing more minutes and getting 17 points and knocking down some shots. I would have liked to see the momentum tick up and then he goes in and he throws a behind the back pass and Joe just yanks him out of the game immediately. And I was like I’m like I’m like come on man. And that being said, that being said, he threw him back in when he did that almost wholesale change where he changed out four of the five guys a couple of minutes later. So, it wasn’t like a long trip to the doghouse, but like why is Joe doing that? That’s what I wanted to ask. This is a fascinating thing for me because he started doing this in preseason where we can like normally we can we don’t have a ton of insight into the sub patterns but starting in preseason it became very easy for the common viewer to understand why Joe was making certain patterns or at least looks like it like guy misses a rebound guy gets pulled guy makes a you know highlight play guy gets pulled and I think Baylor’s been on the wrong end of that maybe more than anybody Kada’s probably up there too um I don’t know what the point of that is if it’s just as like a learning tool with Baylor like because my take on him is that he is just playing so uptight when he does a flashy thing like that. I’m like it’s him like getting in his flow but then also it looks so bad. It’s like what are you doing? Like why are you throwing that pass? So I understand both sides of it but that was tough because I just let him start a little bit more com comfortable today and then that happens. Uh and maybe maybe that’s not why he got yanked. Like I can’t say for certain but it did it did look like it was I hated that. I Yeah. And as soon as he did it, I was like, “Ah, I know he’s I know he’s going to the bench right now.” Like, it’s I hated that Joe did it. I hated that he did it. Now, I’ll say that is that wasn’t Flash for the sake of Flash. I actually think at that moment at that moment, I think that he thought that was the best basketball play. He was He caught it. He was kind of tripping out of bounds and there was a player going and that was the best way to get it there. He just didn’t connect. I didn’t think it was an unnecessary like I’m on a twoon-one and I’m going to throw this one behind the back just for a little style. I actually think he thought this is the way to get the ball to this guy and he did it. But I hated that Joe benched him. I really did. Nobody’s my dog. No one No one feels bad for Baylor. I do. I feel I feel bad for Baylor because I I The problem with Baylor is that when he’s at his best in college and high school in brief since the NBA, that’s how he plays. And so it might like you know who else is like that? Pajky for the Warriors. like he has this flash in his game too that like especially during his rookie season there were moments where it’s like like whoa like what are you doing like why are you making plays like this I thought fans I thought fans couldn’t stand him f yeah and I’m saying it turned fans against him because fans are like why are you throwing a behind the back pass or like doing this cocky thing when you’re like 0 for four and Steph Curry’s on the court but it’s hard because it’s not just like it’s like these guys are this is how they play like that’s Baylor’s play style so I haven’t been able to figure out the solution there because I don’t want Baylor to play uptight like you can’t You have to take the all the pizzazz out of his You want to keep It’s part of his game. He’s fancy. Sorry, Jimmy. Go ahead. You cool with the one for seven, but like one blown kiss cuz that’s still happening. I He hasn’t done that. I literally saw him blow a kiss like two games ago. Okay. He was six for seven in that game. All right. Well, but it was bad. They were down by 30 and he like you could tell he like had to stop himself from blowing kiss. My dad brought that up to me. He was like, “Was Bailey blowing kisses during the blowout?” I was like, “No, he he was sobbing himself.” I think I saw one. I looked at the tapes. I said this the other night. I don’t mind that they’re using him in this role because I think it’ll hopefully naturally force him into more of a role player direction. I think that’s what his game’s going to have to become. It’s going to decide whether he makes it here. I think because I don’t unless things go sideways and he gets to play a lot of minutes and handle the ball a lot later in the year, he’s gonna have the opportunity to do all the things he’s done his whole life here. So maybe it wasn’t the best fit bringing him in here, but we’ll see. It’s a m Look, it’s a mistake. You got to play him more and you got to live with mistakes. He’s a first round draft pick. You have to develop and see whether he can play. If you keep doing this stuff though, John, he’s seven minutes tonight, Bobby. Like you can’t This doesn’t work. What are you going to learn? Yeah. What are you going to do? No, you’re not going to learn if you’re getting benched at the fir I look this is he is my Romeo in this case. I’m I don’t think he’s necessarily great. You got to play him and see. Like I’m not like sold that Baylor Shyman is great. I wasn’t sold on Nith. I wasn’t sold on Romeo, but let’s just see. I’d rather see him play than other guys who might do what Joe wants because you’re hoping there’s a ceiling there with a former first round pick. And if not, cut bait. move on on to the next thing. But like you got to give him a some shot. Seven minutes and being punished every time he makes a mistake is not going to work. It’s the wrong philosophy to have on this team. It can’t just be wins are the only thing that matters. You have to be taking a long view. Management built a roster with an eye on 26 and 27. You can’t coach different than that. And that’s going to bother me if it continues on. It really I think to your point, John, I think that will eventually be the case, but I think they owe it to Jaylen Brown and Derek White and some of those guys to try to play to win the game. And then I think it’s inevitable that at some point in the season, ear muffs for the green teamers, but I think they will have to uh play the kids if as you like to say, at some point some you got to see it. You got to see it. Anyway, um we’re back on Wednesday. Uh and then uh again, is it uh what’s the next one? Is it the uh Friday, Sunday? Wednesday, Friday, Sunday. So, we we got a full we got a full slate here uh on the Garden Report this week. So, check it out. One last plug to help rebuild uh you know uh Jamaica and uh help out Noah’s Noah’s roommates’s family. Um family or family’s friend. Familyfriendly friend. 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