MASSIVE News Day: Harley Signs Extension & Mavericks Sue Stars In Business Court

MASSIVE News Day: Harley Signs Extension & Mavericks Sue Stars In Business Court

way to put the the little clips in the middle of it. Or no, that’s a personal choice. I heard Yes, he didn’t do the Yeah. Oh, no way. Yeah, but there was a a censored beep. Oh my goodness. That happened last night. Start the postgame show. Luds was mortified and then left and couldn’t Yeah, I’m not really not mortified. No, but you you were laughing pretty hard. Anyway, we had a huge show today. No pun intended. A big show. Thomas Harley contract extension. Stars sued by the Mavs. Mavs sued back by the Stars. A new arena in Plano. All of that coming up with Luds, me and Shawn right now on DLLS. [Music] Heat. Heat. [Music] This is the DLLS Stars podcast, Wednesday, October 29th. It may feel like Halloween, but the scares are coming pretty early as we had a big news day the other day. Craig Lewig over there, Sean Shapiro. I’m Owen Newkerk. Our producer Ryan VA. Before we get into all of it, we have a lot today. Quick mention about our faceoff collection, the new DLLS merchandise, which is available now. Luds, we are down to 13 shirts left to hit our goal in counting. Our GM Ben said if we sold 25 this week, we would get free shirts for the show from this faceoff collection. And then Luds, who’s going to talk about a little bit later, added on his own stipulation if you bought that shirt and showed up at our December 9th Stars Takeover event cuz we already we already sold out the tickets, but maybe some other people might just show up at the Hooters side of it. All that to come. Then check out alldls.com. Get those shirts today. If you’re a diehard, you get 20% off merch. Very much worth it. All right, Sean is here. Luds is here. I’m here. And we have a lot to get to. We’re going to start. We’ll get to the lawsuits, the arena news, all that that entails a little bit later in the show. And then DLS Mavs host Bobby Carella is going to join us in our fourth segment to give us the other side of that. And we, you know, Sean, Bobby, and I will sort of go around the the horn on that. But let’s talk about the good stuff first. A contract. Thomas Harley. It was rumored from all the big NHL insiders right before the game last night. We talked about it in our pregame show. And then the Stars beat the Washington Capitals one to nothing, third straight victory. And they announced it literally one minute in my inbox. It was 10:41. We went on for the postgame at 10:40 last night. Officially announcing an 8-year extension for Thomas Harley with a AAV of $10.5 million, $84.696 million. He will be under contract. This is the wild part. So it’s he has this year and then eight years after this through the 20 33 2034 NHL season long-term Thomas Harley ls what does that take him to 35 34 yeah I think so in that neighborhood what are your initial thoughts of getting Harley locked in no protracted public negotiations and at a 10.5 million AAV for eight years while the CBA still allows it because next spring it goes to seven years as a max. Um I think it’s a a great deal for Thomas, a great deal for the Stars and their fans. Um and and I guess I think it’s going to be a if Thomas continues to go on the trajectory that he’s going on right now, which I’m sure is part of what this this contract is about. It’s probably going to look like a pretty good deal with the salary cap going up to I don’t even know, Sean. probably. Isn’t it supposed to get up to 114 or 115 in three years? Whatever that number is. But I think that couple years. Yeah. Yeah. What is that? In a couple years. Yeah. That’s kind of Yeah. Yeah. So, and and I just And I also think it’s a it’s a good it’s a good thing for the group. The group of the nucleus, let me put it that way. A lot of locked in. I’m talking like Wyatt and hopefully Robo and Jake and Ranton and you know that like that group right there that all seem to be very very tight knowing that the you know sometimes you’ll say it’s Jamie Ben’s team or it’s going to be Miko Ratin’s team but I believe that they’re going to be this is their team. This is going to be the the four five six Muro’s in there. I don’t want to forget any of these guys but that nucleus and they’re going to as a group will hold what’sever on the outside of that group. they’re going to hold them accountable to win championship or at least get that. Sean, initial reactions to the official word of Harley signing an eight-year extension. Um, good work by the Stars to get it done now because I don’t think from a market value and agent perspective and kind of how things all play out. I don’t think he’s signing for less than 11 million after February. I think there’s um that’s personal belief for me that I think Thomas Harley is going to be part of team Canada at the Olympics. I think his profile is going to continue to go up. I think he’s going to keep playing well. Um I think the um there’s a so I think it’s good work by the Stars getting this done when they did get hopping on it right away. Um I there’s for Harley I mean 10.58 million per year for eight years. That’s pretty good stability. I think the other thing it does in LUDS, I’d be curious of your thought from a player perspective and you talked about that group there. Um, puts a lot of pressure on the other big contracts we’re talking about. Not from the uh not from the necessarily are they market comp to comp, but it’s a lot of guys on this team that have been pretty happy to take submarket value to be part of the Dallas Stars. Miko Rantin’s deal is looking great. mirror up with what Wyatt Johnston’s making. There’s a lot of guys on this team that have taken less money to be part of the Stars than they would have on the on the true true market world. And so it is now a fast it is part of the trend that will be a fascinating discussion for the Stars in that Jason Robertson deal next summer when when it whenever it gets signed or or what happens with it because the Stars are going to have two two points of conversation about it. One, well, hey, this is what we’ve been doing as a group. So Jason, this is what everyone’s doing to stay here. We want you part of this effort. And the other part that the Stars then have to think about in the long run. And I’m not saying you you throw anything away right now. You just kind of you let and see how this season plays out. But are you a team that if this is what the culture of your team has been has been a group to kind of take the good deal to take the money to play together? If Jason says I need to be $15 million player, does he fit with what you’re trying to do as a group? It it’s an interesting kind of domino one for domino 2. Um and I I think we should talk more about that, but but first for Harley, I believe he’s a bonafide number one defender in the NHL. I think if he’s on 20 teams in the league, he’s the top defender on the team. Stars just happen to be lucky that they also have Mirro Hkin on the roster. So, but and to go right to Luds again. Yeah, we’ve talked about this before he signed because we were talking about predicting this for next year. I didn’t necessarily think because he was an RFA after this season that there was any urgency for them to do it too early. But I do think to Sean’s point getting it while the CBA still allows for eight years to keep the AAV under 11 before the Winter Olympics if he makes Team Canada. That’s still an if, but we all think it’s trending in that way. It’s and you look I keep repeating Elliot Friedman’s line. It’s bet on your talent because if you wait it’s only going to be more expensive. get them in, lock them in early. And we’ve we’ve made the comparison with Evan Bousard repeatedly with with the Oilers. And now that you see Harley’s deal compared to Bousards, what are your thoughts about it? Oh, well, I get it. But there there’s one area when they do the comparison. And then Ryan, do you have that little graphic with Buchard and and Harley up there? And there’s one that And by the way, Bousard just signed a four-year deal at 10 and a half a year before this season, which has just kicked in. And and I so you you see that where where it says even offense versus defense and you see that little pink line there where it says 29% 50. Yeah. And then down to 20. Okay. Go back to Harley’s right now cuz they talk about these being comps. Listen, Thomas Harley does not play defense like Evan Buchard. I’m sorry. Because Evan Buchard plays more like Carlson. You’re saying Thomas is a much better defender. Thomas is much better a defender than Evan Bousard is because I because I think he cares about it. When I watch Bard play at times I don’t think he cares that much about it. So anyway, I just wanted to show that one thing because when they say well it should be just like Bards because they’re just so identical. I’m like ah Buchard likes to play Eric Carlson kind of hockey and he can and he’s got you know two guys there he likes to get the puck to and he deserves the money because of the points he gets, right? And he’s got a bomb for a shot. Harley’s got a bomb for a shot. He gets some he gets the puck to the you know whether it’s Robo whoever it is but he’s way better defensively because I think Thomas cares if they if they were comparable Evan Buchard would have been the one picked for team Canada and not Thomas Harley. Yeah. There you go. Yeah. Like I mean that’s just that’s that’s the whole spot. Like you’re you’re telling me that if they were truly one to one you’re not going to take Conor McDavid’s teammate. So Sean does that does that mean that Bousard’s getting a sweetheart deal or Thomas could have had more? Harley I believe Harley would have could have made more. That’s I I truly I truly believe there’s money on the table that Harley could have potentially gotten by taking by not signing now um and kind of taking things letting the season play out. I think there’s money. I think he could have been closer to 11 and a half million easily if he just went off pure market rate in his play. So it’s a and I don’t I should go back on this a little bit. I don’t want to throw Bard under the bus because he does exactly what those couple guys in Edmonton need. And again, he is a threat on the power play. Very dangerous player. Very, very He’s a threat and he can get those two guys. He’s also two years older than Harley, too. Yeah, but I’m just saying he can get the puck to those two guys and that’s what they’re that’s what matters. I mean, that’s how they believe that they’re going to get to where they want to go, but I will argue that. I don’t know if that’s helped in the playoffs a couple times as far as the defensive zone. Anyway, but I I agree. I mean, I think Tarly Harley the other thing is about when you when you want to talk about Robo Robo wants that money, he better score 40 plus goals. Yes, probably. I mean, is the pressure not on Robo? I mean, the way that he started the season, I think he’s doing exactly what he needs to do to one make Team USA for the Olympics, which is an important step for him in his career development, not just for a contract, but that will help. and two to end at the end of year being one of the go-to offensive players. Does that help if he plays for the Olympics and gets 25 goals this year? Does it help his contract? I mean, you’re saying if he doesn’t have a great year Well, if he does I think if he only ends up with 25 goals, he maybe doesn’t make 25 30. Well, I mean, he could he could have 25 by Olympic and then tail off at the I just don’t see him being like that. Well, I’m just I’m just curious because I’m I’m If I’m sitting upstairs, I would part of my argument would be we’re not paying you to score goals at the Olympics. We want you to score goals. Right. I mean, if Thomas Harley makes the Olympic roster for team Canada and then craters afterwards, we’re still going to be upset about it, but it doesn’t take away the accomplishment of rising your stock to the level. But Thomas Harley doesn’t need to score 40 goals. So, he doesn’t even have to score 20, right? You know, he can just he can do a lot of other things. I just And again, I I think Robo’s been great this year. I think he’s been I think he’s got a different work ethic. I I think Don’t you think if he plays like this all year, stays healthy, it’ll all fall into place for him if there Yeah, I think so. But I just think from an I just wonder from a negotiating thing if he doesn’t get to that whatever that threshold is for goals. I don’t know what it is. If it’s 40 45 in order what if he scores 35? Yeah. I mean how many what do 35 goal scorers get in the NHL? They’re not getting 15 million. Oh probably in the 8 to nine range, right? Yeah. And I’m just wondering is is that kind of how negotiations go? I have I have two things. First, I want to talk about the Olympic accelerator or modifier is more so an agent market inflator. It’s not the stars being like, “Oh, he scored this goals.” It’s the I’m in the playing against these other guys. This this thing. Other thing I want to go down real quick, a comment Ryan flashed a comment on the screen of Thomas Harley being a turnover machine. Okay, somebody that comment flashed on the screen there, right, Ryan? Um, do you know where on the Dallas Stars defense Thomas Harley ranks in turnovers? So far this season amongst the Stars defenseman, how many turnovers Thomas Harley has compared to the rest of the Stars defenseman? I mean, the typical argument he has not been good. I would say that cuz usually I don’t know the answer, but usually the ones that have the puck the most, the ones that are making the most plays also have the most giveaways because which is going to mean it’s Miro and Thomas, right? But Tom, okay, Thomas Harley so far this season, according to hockey reference, has 12 turnovers. Okay. 12. Okay. Mirakin has 14. Essa Lindell has 13. Liam Bishell has 13. Ilia Labouchkin has 12. Uh Alexander Petravic has 10. And so let me just be clear. Right in the middle of everybody else. Yeah. So like, well, I I always hate this kind of thing where people will be like, “Oh my god, he’s a turnover machine.” But the amount of times Thomas has the puck on his stick, I would expect him to have 20 turnovers. I would expect him to be amongst the league leaders in turnovers because that’s how often you have the puck, right? And so when we I hear that when I see this popular narrative or not popular narrative, when I see this counternarrative that Thomas Harley is a turnover machine, I think it gets tied into too often of well I see him on the power play. I see him with the puck. I see him have it all the time. When at the same time so far this season, Miro has more turnovers than him. You have Lean Bishell with way less puck touches, has more turnovers than him. No one is yelling about Lean Bishell being now obviously contracts change things. So I just I saw that comment and I saw a bunch of that on I saw the some of the detractors on social media some of the detractors on social media to the signing and my my point thing is there is he going to turn the puck over? Yes. But you know what defenseman who have the puck a lot turn the puck over. During the break I’ll look up to see who led the league in turnovers last year and I would bet it’s probably Adam Fox or Kale Mar. I’ll take a look during the break. 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PNC Bank, an official partner of the Dallas Stars. Now, as we say that, it’s time for the PNC Bank Mullet Report. Today we highlight our very own for the first ever Mullet Report here on the DLS Stars podcast. It’s Craig Lewig. Luds, do you have any idea what year that was from? Uh, I’m going to say about 90 91. So you you’re still you’re with the Minnesota Northstars at this point? Yeah, probably. Then I mean that could be Is that a Stars jersey? Is that a Stars shirt? Got little Your guess is as good as mine. Well, then maybe that was in right when we first got here. That could have been one of them pictures right when we first got here. When we first got to Dallas? Yeah, it could be. I don’t know. Did you always have the long flow in the back? You can take it down now, Ryan. You can take that down. What? Did you always have the long flow in the back or was that? Uh, well, not when I was a kid. My mom used the bowl routine. Yeah. When did you start letting it grow? Uh, probably when I went to school. When I got out of my parents house. As soon as he had his own thing, he did the opposite of Shawn, which is cut it short high and tight on. Yeah. Sean’s Sean’s okay cuz he knows his is going to come back. It is. I’m at the point you don’t know if it’s coming back. Now you just have to stick with it, right? Yeah. There you go. Well, you can pick up your free Dallas Stars hockey hair hat pregame at PNC Plaza, right out in front of American Airlines Center. Compliments of PNC Bank November 4th and 6th at PNC’s popup Main Street branch. And come say hi to us on the 6 because we’ll be out there hanging out before the game on the 6th of November. That is your Mullet Report brought to you by PNC Bank. Okay, I want to show you a couple things. Sean, did you get your followup on the league statistics for turnovers? I’m gonna be disappointed if the two guys that I mentioned in the last thing aren’t in the top five. I’m going to be disappointed, but I don’t know. Oh, Sean’s on mute. Sean, you got to unmute. Muted myself so I could type and not make lots of noises while appreciated. Um, so last year, Mackenzie Weaguer actually led the league in turnovers with 159 last year. He has the puck a lot. Yeah. Um Carlson was second with 140. Evan Bousard was third. Okay. When we’re talking about Evan Buchard, Travis Sanheim, Male Shugfev, those were the top five last year for all guys that have the puck a lot for their teams, right? Which is expected. And for point of reference, Thomas Harley had the 12th most in the NHL last year, which is which was still less than Victor Hedmond. Similar amount to David Pastnok and similar amount to Kale Mar. So, if you’re going to talk about Thomas Harley turnover machine and everything like that, you’re the same people who you’re the same person who dislike anytime the defenseman isn’t just is trying anything offensively. So, like that’s that’s kind of that that’s my uh what’s that’s my talking point for Well, and you know, Sean, like when you’re guys like Mirro Hazeskin and Thomas Harley on this team and you play 25 minutes a game and you the other team knows that you’re a key to just jump starting offense, there’s a bullseye on you and and honestly, it was the same thing when John Clingberg was the quarterback for the start. He was going to have a lot of giveaways because he had the puck a lot, but he tried to keep it a little bit more and he couldn’t skate like Mel Kent. No, but I but I think that I really think Thomas moves the p puck well because he does try to make the first pass where Mirro’s a little bit different because he skates because of that skating. He skates, you know, and Thomas is a great skater, too, but it’s just in a different way. Yeah, but he he he gets it. He sees the lane to somebody, he gets it there before Miralwood just because Miral can do what he can do. All right, I have a couple of coach and player reactions from last night that I wanted to share with you guys and everybody watching or listening today. And we start with Harley postgame. He is typically of few words, so these aren’t long, but listen to his response of signing the contract in his press availability. Great. Um, it’s a relief to just get it done and be able to play the rest of this year out. Um, and to know I’m here for the next nine years is fantastic. Very happy. Just the culture that’s been built here, um, it’s one of, you know, respect and and kindness and and winning. Um, so the the group we have here is is great and you know it’s going to continue to be great. So I’m excited to be here. Okay. Other than the video glitching the jitters, the audio sound there, but listen there there’s a party set in there and then Sam asked him a question toward the end. I didn’t want to do it twice, but he literally talked about the culture that was developed here that is developed here. The he said, you know, this is a nice place to play. He likes the players. And then we go back to what you mentioned earlier, Luds, about the players locked in. On the defensive side, Miro’s in through the 28-29 season. So, three more years after this year. ESSA is locked in for four more year or through, excuse me, through the 2030 season. Right. So, yes, four more years after this year. Now, Harley for eight more years after this year. And then up front, you’ve got Mo for eight years starting this year. So, seven more. Rope through 2031, Wyatt through 2030. uh Duchain three more years after this year. Robo’s the next one to be signed. Obviously, you know, guys like Tyler Sean is and Jamie Ben are on the back half of their career, so things are maybe a little bit shorter. But again, Mo, Ro, Wyatt, Hastenan, Lindell, Harley, and don’t forget Jake. Yeah, there’s your seven core. Robo would make eight. There’s your nucleus. I mean, Jim Nil and Jensen and all those guys upstairs understand who they are and and they understand that where this team is and where it can be, and I believe that they’re they’re happy they’re teammates. Mhm. And now you do that and you build around that. All right. Now, let’s play his more widespread answer to what are you going to do with all these newfound riches? Uh, I don’t really know. Um, I assume I’ll pay for some dinners on the road at some point. Um, but for now it’s just kind of any of the night. Go home, you know, eat a dejono pizza and go to sleep. Nothing crazy. I don’t know if that was intentional or if that’s just him cuz he has a very quick wit. His humor is great. very dry, but it got the attention of everybody cuz it was a funny line and the Twitter account for DeJouro has noticed it and retweeted it and they love it too. So, well, maybe an endorsement deal now too to put on top of that. Okay. Can Can I uh can I also air one grievance as well? Please. Um, from my understanding, I didn’t hear a follow-up of what type of desjouro pizza he’s going to make. That is the one of You want to know what toppings? I mean, it’s just like one of the basic journalism school rules is you get the name of the dog, you learn the tea pizza toppings. So, like I want So, I I want to know like is he did he go back home and is he making a supreme? Is it a is it a rising crust? Is it a thin crust? I I want to know questions. I don’t know, but it sounds like we’re helping him get his endorsement deal. I think so. So, uh, I want So, we didn’t find out officially until the Stars released it at the beginning of our postgame show, but the players found out first, as we all did in rumors pregame, and then Tyler Sean explains a little bit more about what went on before the game started last night against the Capitals. It was one of the coolest signings I’ve seen because we had heard rumblings, but before the game, it was on NHL on the TV and we were all over there. So, it was a very loud uh pregame and pretty happy. You know, he definitely got a little red, but uh you know, he’s he’s a great player and um proud of him, so that’s great. I The good news is at the University of North Dakota, I took the lip reading courses. Oh, good. So, you you got all that? No, I didn’t. I didn’t get any. I think that was Sam’s hand holding the mic for Abby last night. So, maybe we need to get him a little closer. Maybe get a stool he could get up higher. get him a boom stick so he can hold it closer to it. U I mean basically was the the team started to find out because it was swirling over, you know, the NHL network and whatever other things they have on the TVs in the in the locker room complex at American Airlines Center. And then I think there was a pretty loud ovation in their dressing room pregame and uh as as a a close-knit team will do. Go out and put up one goal and get a shut out. Put up one goal. I I I do wonder. So, you talk about pregame. So, I will always remember this and the Stars social media team has since wised up and stopped taking pictures of that. But the first game after Tyler signed his big deal with $9.85 million per season AAV. The first game after that, he put uh $9,850 money on the board on the whiteboard. Luds can explain the money on the board a little bit better since he’s been probably part of that. So, I want to know director I want to know is was there 10 thou was there was there 10 grand on the board last night from Thomas Harley on the whiteboard to to go into the kitty last night for the for for that. That’s what I want to know. Yeah, generally you do that, you know, when you go and you play against your former team. Now, Harley hasn’t done that. But I will John, we do know that big milestone they’re taking they’re going to a they’re going to Florida here and so there is a there’s a place called Burn steak. There’s a couple little nice restaurants in between Tampa where they can make a dent in that salary. I would think that he will may be buying that first team meal. Although I think they play every other day, don’t they? They play. Yeah. So there’s Thursday, Saturday this week. I would I would suggest then that the the captains don’t let them do it this one. Do it when you have which I don’t even know when they have a day off in between games anymore where you’ve got where you can have a little fun. You know what I mean? Yeah. So here’s Glenn Gullison who again admittedly doesn’t have a lot of history with Thomas Harley as his coach, but still he was asked about Harley signing last night. Just a class guy. Um I’m I’m really happy for him. you know, you’re happy any of these young guys that, you know, they get a good deal, but he deserves it. He’s a he’s a top defenseman. Um, it allows him to settle in and and uh uh it’s just it’s just good it’s good for him. It’s good for us. It’s good for for us moving forward this year and then obviously for the length of the deal. And of course, nobody knows if this was affecting his play at all because it was in his mind. Exactly where I was going to go with that. But what do you think? Do you think this helps a guy like I think it’s a distraction. I mean, because I’m sure Sean, I don’t know how it works. I mean, how how often is he getting updates from his agent and things like that? Is he updating him? Are they smart enough to know, let’s just let him play and I’ll let him know when the final thing’s done. But regardless, it’s going to be in the back of his mind. I mean, he knows numbers are floating around a ballpark, things like that. And then I would also say the same thing for Robo, you know? I mean, if you know, you want Robo to get going, I would think that he would want to get this put behind him if he could. And if it’s, you know, in the neighborhood and all that kind of stuff, because I I just think that anything, especially with your best players, anything that’s taking your focus away, whether it be this much or that much, I think you’d like to get rid of it so that you can continue to move forward and get your game where you want it to be as a team. All right, to finalize this segment, if you think Thomas Harley is a man of few words, you haven’t met Essa Lindell. About five seconds ago, the Dallas Stars just announced a contract extension for Thomas Harley. So, what do you think about that? And you guys should get him here. Just happy for Tom. That’s super earned. By the way, Essa also in that scrum said that he very much enjoyed the game last night, whereas Tyler said that wasn’t fun for for the players or the fans because of one- nothing. But, uh, look, one thing I noticed, we always call him Thomas. That’s his official name in the in the media notes and it’s how he’s always been introduced, but all the players refer to him as Tom. It’s a little bit more of a a familiar, but either way, or Harley Thomas, depending or well, that’s the draft story. I think they’re very excited for their guy. Uh, this is this seems like a team that’s excited for a guy to get his own. It’s not there’s no individual resentment of, oh, you got more than I got or this or that. I think there there’s a real camaraderie with this group, which is a very good sign to see. It is. And again, it from the outside looking in and watch how these guys interact and, you know, through through things like that, it does remind me of some of the teams I’ve been on where you you can kind of get a sense from the outside that they’re they’re a good group together. And you’re never going to get 23 guys on the same page all the time. But I believe that the nucleus or the core of this team uh is tight and they’re good enough pulling, you know, a couple of those other ones that may not be, but pull them close enough to be I think it’s they got a good group here. Quick quick follow-up note, Sean Luds, I don’t know if either of you want to say much because we got to get to the ad break, but Logan signed an 8-year $80 million contract with the Utah Mammoth after Harley. I think it was either overnight or this morning we we found the news, $10 million AAV. Now, Koulie’s only 21, but he is the budding offensive superstar of that team. So, good good on them for locking him in. And look, Harley’s contract is going to look very good very soon, I think. And that contract might look really good, too. The way the one. Yeah. Yeah. So, that’s Look, bet on your talent, pay them early, lock them in. I think that’s the way to go. You keep your core and look, the expansion is probably going to happen in a couple years or so. We don’t know when exactly. The NHL has been very quiet about it, but everybody around soiling. This cap is going to continue to rise. Unless there’s a global event, world politics and stuff that changes things. This should start to like like we had with the pandemic. I think we’re going to see a salary cap continue to expand rapidly. So, do it now while you I mean, I think it’s only a good bit of business. How much time we got? We should probably go. Okay. All right. Up next, let’s talk about business and lawsuits and the stars and the Mavericks here on DLS. But first, let’s talk about the business of DLS and talk about some ads. 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Tickets are on sale now at globelifefield.com/fallfestival. That’s globelifefield.comfallfestestival. Thank you, Sean. Let’s talk about game time. You know, I we always talk about game time with sports, which is a huge deal. In fact, you can go on the Game Time website, game time.co, or go on to their app right now, and you can find great deals on Dallas Stars tickets. In fact, I’m looking at some now for their home game November 4th against the Edmonton Oilers. But you can also use them for game time for comedy shows, theater, concerts. In fact, Sean, you know all about my trip to Boston in in Labor Day weekend. It was great. I do. What you didn’t know is that I just recently got a Christmas present for somebody in my family comedy tickets at the Majestic Theater sometime after the the new year and it was a piece of cake through game time. got a I opened up the app. I saw a top 1% value ticket right at the beginning. I bought it. Boom. They’re done. Easy peasy. 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The Dallas Mavericks ownership in conjunction with the city of Dallas has placed a lawsuit in Texas business court against the Dallas Stars ownership. And that’s part one. We’ll get into that. Part two is the stars yesterday, a report from the Dallas Morning News that the Stars are considering a1 billion dollar arena in Plano at the Shops at Willow Bend Mall site. And then part three is in response, the Dallas Stars have filed a counter suit against the Mavericks late last night to quote prevent the Maverick’s attempted hostile takeover. Okay, that’s a lot. We’re going to do this segment with Luds and Sean and then not Luds, you and you and Sean are doing this segment. Uh Bobby Carella from the Mavs DLS Mav Show is going to join us to give us the Mavs perspective as well on this because this is going to be an ongoing story. And Sean, let’s start with the obvious. This relationship has never been perfect, the stars and the Mavs for cohabitants of the American Airlines Center and business partners as operations. But there always was a general sense of we’re neighbors. We have to get along to and and make this work be for the betterment of both franchises. That seems to have changed with the owners ownership change of the Mavericks when the Sans Corporation run by the Add’s and Dumont family bought out bought the franchise from Mark Cuban and now it seems to have taken a very different tenor between the Mavs and the Stars here in Dallas. Yeah. Yeah. And I I think I think it’s important to establish um when it comes to the Cuban era of of running the Mavericks and everything like that. And he’s still a and our Mavic Show can obviously talk way more about that and has and we all saw with that that blockbuster trade last year that no one will ever really forget. Um Oh yeah. But there was a uh there was at least an understanding and a they didn’t necessarily like each other, right? It’s not it’s not that they were like singing kumbaya together, but they had they at least had a healthy respect for each other in the building, right? I think both of them wanted to be the number one tenant in the building. So, there was always a little bit of that kind of hidden animosity between ownership groups of of prime dates versus that and everything, but um there was at least a hey, we need to work together on this. And since the since the ownership change, the vibe towards the stars from the Mavericks from their their roommate in the building has been one of we’re here to buy and correct me if I’m wrong and we can Bobby, you can correct me wrong if I’m on the next statement, but it’s definitely the the group that bought the Mavericks. There’s way more of a this is a BIS. This is not a we bought this to build the best basketball team. Like they want to win it. They want to win, right? They’ll tell you that. That’s what they want to. And I’m not saying that they don’t want to winning basketball. But they brought the Ma they bought the Mavericks as more of the this is a a a a brand. This is a vessel to some sweet sweet gambling money when it gets legalized in the state of Texas. And we we see all of those opportunities if the stars are going to get in our way for some of this which some based off reporting that Leah and others did and that is really well done. This is definitely that that seems to be the belief. So, it’s it gets it gets us back to this point, Owen, where kind of the craziest part to me is one of the biggest crux parts is the Mavs are suing the Stars under it’s from a chart I want to say this correctly. I believe it is from a charter agreement or whatever it is, a franchise agreement. Franchise agreement. Yes. Yeah. Where the Stars need to have their headquarters within Dallas city limits. Now, corporate and executive headquarters. Corporate headquarters. corporate headquarters is the rule. Now, LDS, to bring LDS into the conversation real quick, before the Stars were in Fris, where were their headquarters before Frisco? Do you remember? Do you remember when where they were? Where do you remember the business offices were when you were around the time you retired? They were in our They were in uh Oh, I retired. Uh were they still at Valley Ranch? Cuz they were in Fris. They moved to Fris in 2003. No, they were still at Valley Ranch. They were upstairs there. What what city is Valley Ranch? Does anyone know? Anyone know for the group? Uh, Los Cleanus. Believe it’s No, actually, no. I think it’s Compel. I either way. Is Is that city Dallas? It’s not Dallas. No. No. That’s the point. Yeah. No, my my point. You weren’t quizzing me. You were just trying to make a point. Okay. Yeah. I’m trying to make I’m trying to make my point here. I’m not quizzing L. My my point is that it’s there’s an the stars there was an agreement. There’s this agreement that is in legal writing and and is been that’s in the city of Dallas has sided with the Mavericks as they went went into this that oh my god the stars you’re supposed to have your corporate offices in Dallas and you haven’t done this and the simple question not the legal question is this hasn’t been a big deal for the stars have been here since 93 and we haven’t had a big deal about the corporate office not being in the city of Dallas and so now it is now when when when all of a sudden this arena stuff and everything like that when all this arena stuff and everything comes into play all of a sudden now we’re going to go try to find the one rule like it it’s almost one of those spots of like this is and I talked to once again because I want to preface everything with I have not spoken to the stars or the Mavericks on this every single person with both organizations is being very stingy right now of hey it’s a lawsuit we can’t talk lawyers can’t speak so so I did go like I so I spoke to some other lawyers over the past couple days about um about about this and one of them who does I spoke to a lawyer who does uh um corporate law and they said one of the things that probably happened was they said if they were to reverse engineer it and be clear I want to be clear this is just what another lawyer told me might might have happened not actually happened not for sure I’m just covering my own butt on legal ease here speculation at best but there’s probably a world where when the ads bought the team they went and had their lawyers say okay I need you to go find everything you can for me on the stars, find everything you have on them so I have that in my file for when I need it. And when they went through and they found this charter and this agreement and they saw that line, they’re like, “Okay, here’s this line. We can use this when we need it.” And a year ago, they used it to seize half of the uh the stars, half of the arena operations. And now yesterday, they used it to file a lawsuit. And it’s a very petty way to it’s a very petty way of going about it. And it’s honestly it feels like it’s a technicality, right? Yeah. Exactly. So, yeah. Okay, L. I have to It’s actually an Irving. I Googled I I had to I had to look up our address over there and it says Well, let me ask you this. That was before I get a bing bong that says, “I don’t know where the hell are.” We did a We did a We covered a story that was in the morning news. I think it was early September about the Stars looking at four municipalities. Arlington, Frisco, McKini, or maybe even more. Plano was the front runner. They said, even the Colony at that point, I personally, with no inside knowledge, just from having covered this team for over a decade and lived here almost 12 years now, I had a feeling at that time, my gut reaction was this is just business leverage. We’re doing our due diligence. But the stars had had maintained even when Mark Cuban was talking about mo selling or moving to a new building and create getting his own entertainment complex maybe even just south of 35. His conversations always felt like the stars were saying we want to stay. We want to be at the AAC. So when those things came out a month ago, my gut reaction was leverage. This is just them trying to push back to try to get a better deal with the city of Dallas because they know that the Mavs are trying to leave. So, we’re just trying to get the best thing to renovate and make the AAC a great building for another 20 or 30 years. But then yesterday afternoon, the morning news reports that they are considering a new 1 billion dollar arena plan in the area by the shops at Willow Bend in Plano, which is right off the Dallas Northway in the mall site, which apparently is not booming. They so there’s there’s potential for space with growth around it. as a guy who played at Reunion Arena, watched them after retirement move into American Airlines Center. They’ve always been since I mean you guys were in Minnesota for goodness sakes and moved here, but since 93 you’ve watched them have a downtown Dallas and I’m sure this is almost unrecognizable to what it looked like in 93 when you first got here as far as downtown, let alone Fris and all the suburbs. What is your reaction to the thought that this out now sort of seems like this may be more than just leverage? Yeah, again I think we’re hockey players and that’s all we really worry about. Um when when you go from reunion and then looking at where the star center it’s like walking across the street. So this this seems a little bit different moving and I’d be curious like the demographics of the fans like where are the fans? Are they spread out or are they, you know, are they predominantly in Brisco? Are they downtown people? You know, how far do they have to travel? And I and and I wonder how the fans actually feel about moving to Plano or I think you’re going to get equal parts. Some would say great like people that live in the McKini Frisco Colony uh north of that Salina uh up to up 75 Melissa that way which is continuing to grow. They would be happy with that because it’s closer. But would the people but people south be bent out of shape about driving that far? Again, I think the people up up north of Dallas might be say, “Oh, that’s interesting.” But the people south and west and east that are used to coming into the downtown area, that would be harder for them. So, you’re going to get some that are happy, Sean, and some that are not happy, right? Yeah. I mean I I think the other thing you have to realize is people don’t forget forget how big Dallas is right it’s it is the D the metroplex is massive right so for today if you combined the populations of Plano Frisco and McKenna I just picked those three right those three suburbs you’re going to get a combined population of 750,000 people that is a larger population than the city of Denver okay so you have the for those three cities alone outside has it own NHL franchise are large enough to be the 18th. If they were combined into one city, they would be the 18th largest city in the United States populationwise. So, if you’re talking about moving out to the suburbs and everything like that, it’s not like going to the suburbs where Ottawa is, like people always think about suburbs and get lost in what happened with Ottawa. That’s a bit different with with this with DFW, with how the place is. You’re going to move moving out to that area. There’s probably a large percentage of people who may never have been you’re going to lose some season ticket holders, right? Let’s be clear. There’s some people who and you might gain some too, right? You’re also going to gain some all of a sudden that family that is in that’s in Fris or McKenna that has kids that play hockey. We’re like, well, I I’m not going to make the hour and 15 minute drive downtown with the traffic on a on a Tuesday night. But now all of a sudden they’re So you it’s the movement of it and the fan base of it to me it doesn’t really change much. I think they’re still going to have the very similar attendance. They’re going to have similar, it’s not going to change their corporate or sponsorship stuff. If anything, if anything, by being in Plano, there’s so many corporate headquarters now in Plano and Frisco where there’s some of those places that they’re even a little bit closer to it. So, um, really what it is is the city of Dallas, and and I think this is the big thing that I will take away from this is the city of Dallas made a decision and they sided with the Mavericks by by by co-signing the initial suit against the starters. The Mavericks sided with So, the city of Dallas side with the Mavericks. Okay, I want to get into that with Bobby on the other side of the ad break. So, hold that thought real quick. We’re going to say goodbye to Luds after this Reed and then we’ll bring on Bobby because this is something Sean brought up this I think is really getting to the root of the matter here on DLS saying goodbye to me because I have no idea what the hell’s going on with all this stuff. We just like to play hockey. But speaking of hockey, the Dallas Star DLLS merchandise, we have a couple new shirts out. Owen has told you about them every day for the last month. And uh here is the green one, which is my favorite, the Dallas Hockey shirt. And then also we have the Dallas Stars shirt, whether that’s an A or a Stars. But here’s the important thing is is we need to sell about what a dozen more of these things about to hitting our goal. We’re past the halfway point and that is for selfish reasons up here because we all get one of those shirts. We would like one of these shirts. We would like one of these and we can’t afford them because we don’t make enough money here. So we just had that meeting today and I thought it was a good meeting. I’m not sure. You know, our boss is going to love your read. Well, yeah. I mean, we’d like to get more money over here personally. I mean, you make enough the way it is. You want to tell them about your stipulations? Yeah, I know. And and so because of because of this, we’re having a little party at Hooters and if we get these shirts uh we’re going to have this party and if you wear one of those shirts coming over to Hooters uh on the December 7th, I’m getting close. Very good. You get some beer from LS. There you go. Three beer. Thank you, Luds. Sean, let’s talk about being a member of DLS Die Hard. can get a fun card like this that uh you can see you get a member card. It’s fun. You get a physical physical media which is doesn’t exist much in today’s day and world. So you get a physical card makes you feel like you’re part of the club and you are part of the club because not only do you get access to our membersonly discord where you get where there’s great conversations that happen every day there. You also get access to the wonderful writing from people on the Cowboys on the Rangers, the Mavs, even the Stars, Little Stars. We get you get some writing from there from both myself and Sam. Um, it is a it’s a really cool thing to have seen grown. For me, the content part that we produce is is fun, but for me, and I’ve said this multiple times, one of the best parts of DLS to me has been to see kind of we’re now a little bit over a year and three months into this and to see the community that’s built around it. So, if you’re not a member, if you want to become a diehard, you become even more entrenched in the community. You have access to that Discord. You get to there’s some great people in there. Become a diehard. It’s it’s it’s a great it’s a great investment for yourself. So, all right. Please welcome in from the DLLS Mavs podcast, the host, our content boss, Bobby Carella. Bobby, it’s great to have you. You dressed appropriately for our show today. I’m uh I’m already tipping my hand the what whose side I’m on here. I think so. Well, we’re both wearing green and I don’t think that’s by accident. But Sean, right before the break was saying something very interesting that we want to get into. So, let’s talk about we already in our previous segment talked about the lawsuit specifics, the arena renovation issues, the legal, I don’t want to call it loophole, the legal technicality that has led to this lawsuit, then the Stars countersuit, and the discussion of where this could all go, including both teams not playing in Dallas, which would probably be an absolute detriment. And that’s where it leads us to this conversation. The city of Dallas chose to side with the Dallas Mavericks in this lawsuit against the Dallas Stars in this particular instance. And there’s some claims within their their suit which also say that the Stars have not been negotiating in good faith over arena renovations for the future the future lease potentially and that it’s been hard for them to actually be able to make contact and continue bringing them back to the table. that there’s been a been a pretty seismic divide. And I started to think the other day, why why did the the city side with the Mavs and not the Stars? Now, again, this is going on in my head and my as Sean talked about earlier, this is a bit of my own speculation. I’m not privy to the insides of this conversation and everything. I have a hunch and I look I’m a big hockey guy but I have a hunch that because Cuban already wanted to move to a new he wanted to build an arena before he sold the team. The ad family and Dumont have clearly said we’re leaving. So they’re planning on going. They tried to already look at a site in Irving and it didn’t seem like that work that fell through or whatever. All that being said, I think the city of Dallas is very worried about losing the Mavericks from being a Dallas franchise. Yes. And I think that they’re worried so much that they would possibly be willing to, again, this is just my thought, be willing to give up the Dallas Stars in Dallas, Frisco, McKini, Plano, Arley, wherever in order to make sure they don’t lose the Mavericks. And I think that’s my hunch. Does that hold any water to you at all? I think so. Now, I want to preface all this by saying I’m not a lawyer. I’m just kind of a dummy. Neither am I. Yeah. I’m just I said I said that four times in our last segment. I’m not a lawyer. Allegedly. I agree. Yes. Yes. But, you know, I think there’s a couple different factors that in play here. One, I believe the Mavericks want to own their own arena, and that means full control, fully or at least mostly financing it. uh they want it to be basketball specific, maybeo host concerts there and stuff, but they want it to be their own arena, only basketball. Um, and I think they would put a lot of their money behind it, whereas I’m not sure that would be in play for the Stars. So, if it comes down to if the city is choosing between a team that wants a lot of financing or maybe a little or none, I think it’s pretty clear who they’re going to side with. Um, the Stars are more transparently exploring leaving the city, whereas the Mavs have been pot committed to staying in Dallas from the very start. So, I think the city wants to side with them there. But where I think, you know, as someone that I love the Mavs, I worked for the Mavs for a decade. I’m still, despite everything that’s gone on, you know, this whole thing, I still, you know, am a Mavs fan. Um, you know, where this kind of rings hollow for me and I think a lot of other Mavs fans is the Mavs painting this lawsuit and framing it in such a way where they’re doing this in order to make improvements to the arena. They want to improve the fan experience for the last four years before building a brand new basketball specific arena. Despite for the last three or four years very transparently saying like you know Rick Weltz who who just took over as CEO last year, he has now been elevated to such a role where he doesn’t even worry about day-to-day stuff in that building anymore. He is solely focused on building a new arena. So the Mavs have very blatantly out in the open said like we’re not going to play here anymore. This place is dusty. It’s old. We want to get out of here. By the way, legalized gambling please. We really would appreciate that. a whole lot. And so I just don’t think if that is your cause, well, our cause is to make the final few years at American Airlines Center fun for fans. Like I don’t think fans are going to throw their support behind that in the court of public opinion just because the Mavs are the Mavs are the louder parties here about getting out of that building. Sean, what do you think changed in this relationship specifically between the Stars and the Mavericks, the ownership groups? We’re not talking about the players, the fan base. There are a lot of crossover fans that are both Maz fans and Stars fans and fans of all the other DFW teams, whether Cowboys, Rangers, etc. But there seems to have been a huge change from when the ownership transferred from Mark Cuban to the current Sans Corporation group add. And there I I think that what really stands out to me, I’m curious your thoughts on this is that the principal focus is different. Mark Cuban cared about the Mavericks. Mark Cuban carried about cared about the city of Dallas and he cared about basketball. I don’t know if he had any care about the Dallas Stars other than realizing that probably good for having a you know your co-tenant your your business partner for the arena to at least be amicable. I feel I feel like that that is not the same anymore with the new ownership group with the maps. Well, it the other thing like gets big and I want to make sure I want to double once again I’m not a lawyer so I want to check on something but I think we’ve established that all three of us very much not lawyers I I don’t know what like modus operande or had corpus or any of that I don’t know what it is you watch legally I did the gambling thing is huge right like we have to talk we we have to talk about the elephant in the room the gambling thing is huge and the and the fact is when when it comes to think about how the current Mavs ownership group made their money it is in casinos it is in gambling And when it comes to legalizing it in Texas, that is something that will benefit all all sports teams. But I don’t think they’re interested in buying this team if there’s not a real path to legalizing just to be NBA owners. I do want to hop in. I I don’t want to cut you off, Sean, but Rick Weltz recently, a very actually this video has not gotten a lot of traction. We talked about it a little bit on DLS Mavs one day a couple weeks ago, but uh Rick Weltz went on the Bloomberg podcast and on that podcast, this was again a few weeks ago uh for the first time, publicly said the Mavs actually do not hold the expectation anymore that gambling will be legal in time for them to build the arena. Uh and so they’re proceeding under the impression and and under the the mindset that this will not be a casino resort. Yeah. still be a basketball specific arena with entertainment and real estate ventures around. Yes. And they want 50 acres and so that’s a pretty say they want 75 acres. That’s even more. Yeah. Victory Park is about 70 acres. So the Stars want even more than that. Yeah. And the the other thing that people have to remember, I know I’m sure a lot of people know this, but it’s something that it’s The other funny thing about Texas legislature is it meets every other year. That is one of the most bizarre things about Texas legislature. And um from when I worked in Austin, I would occasionally get the freelance gig having to help out at the Texas legisl with the with the the legislature session. And uh the reason it meets every other year, ironically, is because probably 60, 70, 80 years ago, it probably wasn’t safe to travel to the state so big. It was that’s literally the reason that they meet every other year is how it’s been explained to me by actual um government reporters who understand all of this. So, um, so it’s one of those where like it’s not like, uh, other states where you pass if you something doesn’t pass in 2025, you’re like, “All right, well, we’ll get to it next year.” If something doesn’t pass in Texas, all of a sudden it’s like, “All right, well, two years from now, we’ll talk about it again, right?” Like, that’s one of the weirdest parts of of this element when you talk about those timelines. The other thing that’s just I can’t once again, not a lawyer, can’t help but wonder. So there was a you talk about like teams working together and and everything like that. I mean a year ago there was a uh the name of the coalition was the I want to get the exact name of it. Um it’s called the sports betting alliance was launched. Okay. Um it is and it was from a bunch of team bunch professional sports teams in Texas working together to help organize and and be part and help raise the profile to to legalize sports betting in Texas. That group included the Houston Texans, the Dallas Cowboys, the Houston Rockets, the San Antonio Spurs, the Houston Astros, the Texas Rangers, and the Houston Dash. Ironically enough, there are two teams I did not mention there. the Dallas Stars and the Dallas Mavericks. From my understanding on things is the Mavericks have been very obviously they’re very pro gambling, but they are also very much they have their own ideas of things and the Stars also have their own ideas of things a little bit. So to see those two entities now talking about arenas and and obviously gambling and everything like that having various opinions and ways they go about each other, knowing that history and now seeing it kind of all come to the forefront, it makes a ton of sense. So, um, again, I’m not a lawyer and I need Owen here to kind of help me get back on track because Okay, that’s right. This is loaded Bobby. Final question here because we are running out of time here. We’ll have a lot more as this this develops. It feels very messy. It feels like the kind of divorce where the kids are going to probably have split custody and maybe not get along even though you get double presidents and maybe presents and couple holiday or extra holidays. Where do you think this goes over the next bit going forward? This feels like more than just a Dallas thing. It feels like a national thing now. Yeah, I think Messi is the right word for it. And Ryan, could you throw back up the comment that you just had up there a few seconds ago, too, about so that the the Aden family and Patrick Deont by extension pretty understandably unpopular among the Mavs fan base right now. And you know, these these this family is outsiders. They’re not from Dallas. They’re not from here. They’re private equity. They run, you know, an international uh gambling enterprise. Um, and they traded Luca and really they’ve done a lot of things here that have uh kind of ruffled the feathers of the fans understandably. And so even if you know my my snap reaction to this whole thing before I read the lawsuit or before I read the Dallas Morning News expose, all this stuff, my snap reaction was even if the Mavericks are right, I still don’t know if I care that much. you know, like I don’t necessarily think that the Maverick’s ownership group has uh done enough, you know, to uh to sew trust and to, you know, really build goodwill with the fans. And so, if you are going to create a house divided, then I think they need to be prepared, you know, just because of optics alone, they need to be prepared for a lot of Dallas sports fans to side with the Stars, even if the Stars are in the wrong. All right, we have to wrap this up with a super chat from our boss who just wants us to not be on time. A Darien Hatcher and Year after the Cup from GM Ben who has the fourth most points in Stars history. I’ll give you a Jamie Ben. He’s second. He played for the Minnesota Northstars. Neil Brton, he’s third. Craig Lewig, he’s not third. Fourth is Brian Bellows. Mike McDonald. Rotten Bellows and Tyler Sean who will play his 10,000th game tomorrow night in Tampa is fifth in the franchise record. Big thank you to Bobby for coming on for Craig Lewig, Sean Shapiro, of course, our producer Ryan Vers. I’m Owen Newkerk and K Cat. Thank GM Ben for us being overtime today without overtime on the DLS Star Show. Tomorrow night pregame show. It’s a little earlier because it’s an early game in Tampa. Join us then. [Music] [Applause] We all sitting like the mayor.

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We have enough content today for three or four separate shows! Officially announced last night after the Dallas Stars 1-0 win over the Washington Capitals, Thomas Harley has signed an eight-year, $84.696 million contract extension to keep him with the Stars through the 2033-34 season. Yesterday afternoon the Dallas Morning News dropped two bombshell stories. First, the Dallas Mavericks ownership filed a lawsuit against the Dallas Stars ownership in Texas Business Court over an alleged breach of contract, while also making claims that the Stars have obstructed further maintenance and improvements to American Airlines Centers – claims of which the Stars executives vehemently deny. Then, another article dropped reporting that the Stars are considering a new $1 billion arena in Plano, TX at the Shops at Willow Bend Mall site. Another chapter dropped this morning, when Lia Assimakopoulos, the Stars beat writer for the DMN, reported that the Stars late last night have filed a countersuit against the Mavericks.

00:00 Intro
02:55 Harley Signs Extension
19:15 Combating Harley Being a Turnover Machine
33:45 Dispute: Mavs vs Stars
41:18 Stars Moving to Plano?
49:00 Bobby Karalla From DLLS Mavs Joins the Show

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