New York #Jets TRADE Sauce Gardner & Quinnen Williams REACTION (FULL BADLANDS)

New York #Jets TRADE Sauce Gardner & Quinnen Williams REACTION (FULL BADLANDS)

What’s up everybody? Welcome back to your favorite New York Jets subscription podcast, Badlands. I’m your host, Joe Caparoso. Trade deadline emergency what the hell podcast. The New York Jets have traded Sauce Gardner to the Indianapolis Colts for two first round picks. Nad Mitchell, I couldn’t wait till we recorded tonight with Connor and Dan Hans. We had to get something live sooner. Will jumped in the booth. What is your initial reaction? Because I haven’t even collected my thoughts yet. I I’m literally absolutely goddamn shocked that this happened. What are your thoughts? Yeah, me too. I I think I thought going into today we could it’d be an outside shot, but Q could be the one that’s like whoa, big huge name, former allp pro. I said yesterday, I think on Jake’s Jake Asen show, I was like, if Germaine got traded, I’m not expecting it, but I wouldn’t be like totally floored. Just some injuries around the league and you know, hey, do they really value him? He’s not their guy coming off the Achilles. Could they get a two? And I’m sitting there like, “Wow, the Jets are going to stack up maybe one or two picks on day two and day three.” And then I look at my phone to some text messages and then like 30 seconds later I get a the Ian Rapaort uh sauce to the Colts and it was just no context, nothing. And I’m like, and then you texted our group chat with no contacts, nothing, just sauce and question marks. I was like, “Is Will? What the fuck?” Um, look, I I guess my initial reaction I’ve kind of gone back and forth over the last hour or whatever it even is at this point. I know I get why they did it because I think it’s really hard for a regime that’s one and seven here. Um, you know, things have sauce has been really good this year, but like you know, the only game they win classic was at Adams, so maybe you talk yourself into that. But more importantly, I think they’re like, “We need draft picks and we need, you know, as much capital as we can to go up and get a quarterback or to to build around the quarterback and all that stuff makes sense.” And two ones for sauce. Look, we can talk about AD Mitchell later. Have some realistic expectations for both Mitchell and Mechie. Both big program guys the Jets have gotten and they need receivers. Both guys have objectively kind of stunk in the NFL so far. They’re young. Maybe they’re better with the Jets and we can talk about that. That’s a throwin. like let’s not I I we’ll focus on the two ones this year and next year. Um they traded a franchise icon Joe or a franchise player, whatever you want to call him, who they just paid like 10 10 days ago. I was doing an emergency podcast about his new contract. Um luckily they paid a huge bonus uh you know what he paid a bunch of cash and now the Jets won’t be totally screwed. It’s 8 million this year uh and about 11 million next year of dead money. So it’s not horrible. Um, again, it’s two first round picks for a for a corner that doesn’t take the football away, right? If you want to be very glass, half full. Um, that’s what you would say. And hey, he’s gotten banged up with some concussions. And there’s a there’s a world you can talk yourself into. Like, oh, this is a great deal. Um, I just think it it’s a it’s shocking. I would say that we’re not shopping them. And they get the Jamal Adams package. Frankly, a better package for Sauce, who was a better player than Jamal. But like, I don’t know. This is this is really ballsy for Muji and Glenn and and company and Woody to be honest as well. I I’m very curious and I know this this is not going to people don’t give a [ __ ] about Woody’s money and I’m not saying to. I’m very curious what Woody’s thoughts really were because he was a soft guy. We know that. We saw right after the draft he just paid him a lot of money and gave him a big bonus check. I’m just curious the conversation between Glenn probably and Muji and Woody saying, “Hey, we’re going to trade sauce here.” Like I just would I would have loved to be a fly in that on the wall in that room. I think ballsy was the right adjective you use there. Right. I’ll say this for this regime. They are not tiptoeing around. They are not going status quo. This is a total massive shakeup move that shows Woody Johnson for better or worse. Trust Aaron Glenn and Darren Muji because of everything that you just said. This is a move that turns correct one thing Joe. I want to correct one thing I said before you go. the bonus the Jets paid, they gave him a $13.75 million signing bonus this past summer. The Colts will then owe an additional uh bonus in 26 and 27. So, if you were to trade sauce, it does seem like the Jets in the contract put it in that this was this would be the only time really to do it before you know you start paying out massive bonuses and the big cap. I just want to make sure to give context there. Yeah. Well, that gave them the window to, I guess, assess even after paying him if this fit with this regime and the style of football they want to play. And this is the kind of move that turns everybody’s head in the building. Everyone’s head in the locker room. Nobody is safe. Uh, nothing is entitled. Nothing is just given to someone because they were paid and because of their reputation. Talked a lot about accountability and we’re seeing different signs of this. I don’t know if this goes exactly in that bucket. Sauce has been pretty damn good this year. Not perfect. He’s had a couple frustrating moments. He hasn’t turned the football over. He’s gotten banged up again uh for the second year in a row, which I do think is mildly meaningful here, especially as he’s gotten involved tackling more. He’s just having a hard time staying consistently healthy. And I think the Jets look and they they like Brandon Stevens a lot and they look smarter than we do so far because he’s playing around his contract value. They love Aar Thomas. We all like that pick and he looks like he belongs pretty quickly. It’s limited sample size. We know they got the nickel they wanted in in Brownley and I’m just I’m assuming they said internally like look we could win with these three corners and we’re not going to have enough ammo to do what we need to do elsewhere around the roster next year particularly at quarterback and we need to give ourselves as much ammunition as possible to move up if we end up winning a few games here or even if we don’t. We need a number two receiver. We need other reinforcements for the rest of this roster. So, I am I’m surprised at how much they got back. I guess if I take a further step back, it’s not that shocking. Sauce is young. He’s an allp pro. Uh that contract, I think, will age relatively well. I just think to get I mean, we were we’ve been worried about their draft capital and their resources. That is not something you have to panic about. I know the Colts are good right now. This isn’t the, you know, prime Chiefs, Andy Reid, Mahomes, where they’re I think they’re going to be a one seed every year going forward. But I would not be shocked if even though they’re seven and two now, maybe they finish 10 and seven or 11 and six. And I I don’t know if they’re a Super Bowl favorite, per se, maybe. And I don’t know how that translates to next year with Daniel Jones. So, we’ll see where these picks land. But the reality is just having doubled up on first round picks for two years in a row and getting the receiver throw in. You know, you put him, Marian Smith, and Meti in a room and say, “One of you guys come out and be competent for God’s sake, and we go get, you know, we’ll go we’ll go build around you.” It’s um this regime doing everything they can to try to really make their mark. And we talked usually when there’s new guys come in town, they do some type of move that says old days are over, right? And we thought maybe that would be Bree, maybe that would be Quinnon Sauce. And S is a great football player, man. I was happy when they paid him. I do think myself is even guilty of nitpicking on him too much. He is very much an embodiment of the Salah era. Right. There’s a little mopiness there. There’s a little online complaining whenever criticism comes. Uh there’s mounting frustration with all the losses. He seemed to kind of go into a funk when Salah got fired. I’m not saying that we know or not whether this was the right move. It’s too early to say. I will say considering where the Jets are in this regime’s trajectory, eight games in knowing they have nothing at quarterback for real long term, you hope Fields could be the backup next year. That’s what you’re hoping to see down the stretch. I I’m my spit take is like I I get it. You know, we rift around about this on the pod like a month ago and it was semi-serious because I just could not conceive Glenn Muji having the balls to pull this off and Woody giving them the green light to do it. And I I just feel better about how they may be able to get their quarterback and their receiver to go with Garrett Wilson now looking at all the capital that they have. Um still remains to be seen, right? When Jamal Adams got traded, people forget like he was actually pretty good after he got traded for a couple years. I think he like broke the record for sacks for a defensive back. He had some nice moments before he ultimately kind of flamed out. I think Sauce is going to be great for the Colts. The question is, is he going to go have like six interceptions now and like win a Super Bowl or something over there. But for the Jets, you can’t worry about that, man, because you’re not going to really win anything long term, I think, if Justin Fields and Tyrod Taylor and Brady Cook are your quarterback. So, I’m shocked. It was ballsy. Um, I’m I would be lying if I said I wasn’t excited about the amount of draft capital and flexibility it has for them. What What are your like is this just like we’re getting a quarterback next year no matter what. We are trading we are doing some ridiculous trade for a veteran. We are trading up if we need to. Uh, and if we don’t need to trade up then we are going to go get the receiver we need to G like opposite Garrett Wilson. What does this say to you about what they’re thinking about the off season going forward? Yeah, I think they’re they’re very aware that they need more talent. Um, I think that a lot of what happens is in year one, we talked about this during camp and um, you know, with smaller pieces like the defensive line and safety and corner and kicker of like you got to go in and and kind of evaluate your guys. Um, you know, and see, you know, kind of who’s who’s one of your guys, who’s not, or who maybe doesn’t fit the scheme necessarily. Um, it does feel a lot like this regime is kind of building a flotation device for themselves and letting if things do go south the next nine games. Um, and people can tell me that I’m I’m being too negative. I don’t think that’s negative. I think let’s be realistic here, right? Like they know that you can then go to the owner and say, “Hey man, we we you know, Fields was hurt and not very good and and we traded sauce, but look at all this draft capital.” Um, which in some I think some people would argue maybe that’s a reason to not keep this regime and be like, “Hey, thanks for thanks for doing the hard work. We’ll come in and swoop in and fix it for you.” But no, look, I think in a vacuum again they traded a corner that has not gotten necessarily better over the last two years. Although I think again the criticism is way over the top from people that think he’s not a good player. It doesn’t impact winning. Uh, he’s an allp pro corner and that’s that’s the reality of it. But again, he does not take the football away at the rate where he’s going to affect maybe down over down like kind of variance. Um, do I think it’s a little scary now going into next year is like Brandon Stevens is like a solidified corner one. I think we’re like, yeah, it’s a little it’s a little crazy. Uh, but again, people would argue that, hey, they’re one and seven with Sauce and they’ve lo done a lot of losing with him here. You know, take the two first round picks. And again, I get it. I think they know they’re going to take a quarterback. I think they know they’re going to need at least one if not two receivers. Um, you’re probably gonna you potentially might need an offensive lineman, right? I think it’s the it’s the dirty little secret that like they don’t have their guard and center signed through next year. Yes, they have the foundation of Titman, Olu, and Meu. Like there’s no question that’s awesome. Um, Simpson, AVT, and Myers are all free agents. You probably bring back two, and you’re going to have to probably draft one or or sign a lower tier veteran like Myers this year. Um, you’re gonna need probably at least an edge rusher, Joe. You’re gonna probably need now you’re gonna probably need another corner at some point on day three or a lower level vet that could be your quarterback three. Um, you might need two safeties. You need at least one and you need at least one starting linebacker. That’s a lot of things. And I think they looked around and said, “Okay, yeah, we probably could get by with, you know, I don’t know, keeping Carter around for the rest of the year, keeping sauce, and just riding it out.” And again, they’re very different things. I’m just using as like an example. Like you could have managed the money and made it work and signed these guys and not created more holes. I just look at it and maybe this is a hot take and maybe I’m being emotional about it, which I probably am. You have two hours to go here. Now, now convince me why you’re you’re not trading Quinnon for a one. If there’s one on the table, as much as I love Quinn, if you’re just going to really go for it here and you have a one on the table or I don’t know if you had a three the your own three back from the Eagles, which we don’t know. I’m just saying if you had that back or Salah calls you and says, “Hey man, we’ll we’ll give up a two for Germaine because Muel and Bos are out for the year with ACL’s.” I’m not encouraging doing it, but it kind of is weirder now to say like, “Hey, we already traded sauce.” Like, do we just kind of gut this defense, get as much capital as we humanly can, we build a defense around, you know, just a fully revamped unit with a new DC next year? I’m not encouraging it. I’m just saying it does make you think like this point like is Germaine now in your window or is he not? Is Quinnon in your window or is he not? Quincy I don’t know. You just saw early extension. Is there any way to get out of Sherwood and say hey we’ll attach our four to move back in round six and just totally gut that money? I don’t know. I just I guess I’m kind of working through it as we’re talking here. It just does make you think, are they just going to gut this defense the next two hours and say accumulate a [ __ ] ton of draft capital? We are going to have 14 picks. We’re going to have five top 50 picks and like that’s how we’re going to ride out and convince everybody next year will be the fun hopefully better 2021 Jets. Yeah, I I don’t think anything can be written off now, right? Even if they don’t do something today, when they get into the off season, I think everyone could very well be available. And that includes a guy like Sherwood who they just paid now. I think many fans at this stage would be like, “Yeah, trade him. Take whatever he can get back. Maybe reallocate that money to Quincy and, you know, find a way to keep Quinnon happy.” But everyone from Quinn and Germaine on down or even if it doesn’t happen in the next two hours, it’s something you have to monitor going into the offseason as they kind of furiously continue to look for different ways to give themselves flexibility. And you know, it’ll be interesting to see how it’s received around the locker room and around the organization. But again, you’re you’re seeing a very keen focus on bringing in our guys and our style of play for better or worse. And we don’t know whether that’s going to work out or not. We do know they are coming after a lot of losing. And you start to look at some of the different people running around Phillips and Briggs and Brownley and now they also added Mete back in this trade and you know they added Meyers in this off seasonason and Stevens and and their draft class and how it’s working out with Mebo and Taylor and to an extent Thomas and Moore so far it’s more and more each passing week where it’s like all right this isn’t the you know the Robert Salah and Joe Douglas Jets and that doesn’t mean that there won’t be a spot maybe for a Germaine or for Garrett Wilson going forward or some of the guys who are holdovers like Olu Um, but this is um one of the more shocking moves they made. Not that the Jets have made big trades in the past, right? Just by the way, sorry I keep cutting you off, but things are evolving here. We’re working through it. Yeah. Teams have been calling the Jets continuously, or sorry, to quote him directly, teams continue to call the Jets about Germaine Johnson per sources. Offers have included a second round pick. I’m not trying to be that guy. I love Germaine. And I’m not trying to be an anti-Germanine thing. He’s in my goddamn intro on my podcast. I’m not like trading him, but if you told me the Jets, Joe, had two ones, two twos off the bat and you’re replacing Sauce and Germaine. Yeah, it’d be really shocking. It It would. Um I will say like the sauce, Germaine, Bree trio of how much they tweet and how Bree has now tweeted nine times. Germaine’s tweeted six gifts in the last hour. Like I get it. Um but I don’t know. I just I do wonder like to your point if someone has a two on the table for Germaine and I’ve said a two and a four and I didn’t make that up out of thin air. Um like that that’s a lot of draft capital for a guy who is coming off an Achilles. You’re going to have to extend and if you’re not going to pay him I’m not again I’m not pushing the trade Germaine. I love the culture. I love how tough he is against Iran. He is a guy you want to build around but if you’re not going to build around him now’s the time to move him. Yeah. Right. Like what if he gets hurt again the rest of the year? Then his value sucks. You have question marks going into next year. There’s just a lot. This is one of those pods where I feel like I’m talking myself in a circle because evolving and I’m like I mean look this is this is shock this is legitimately like shocking news, right? I think there was probably like if you asked any Jet fan at the start of the year, what are the odds that Sus Gardner will get traded this year after that contract? I think any reasonable person would have said 3% or less. I don’t know 5% or less even if you were ambitious with it. And I think you have to consider every offer. And I’m what I’m trying to do in my head because yes, on the surface, getting a two and a four back for Germaine with his injury history. Uh his age, which sounds silly, but he was an older prospect and his production to date in many ways could be good business. Now, the other end of it, what why they may not do this? Yeah. His tweeting habits aside, is I wonder, and this is me trying to put my mind into the building right now, do they look at Germaine as a certain type of player? He plays a certain way. He’s physical. He could play against the run. He brings a different kind of energy. You can see the difference when he’s out there opposite McDonald compared to Clemens or McGraer. And he he’s just a different style of player than Sauce. Like Germaine is someone you feel like will be a captain, can tackle, can be physical. Sauce, I thought it was kind of notable. Garrett Sauce signed new contracts. Garrett’s a captain. Like Marcelino McCra Ball is a captain before S is like kind of interesting. Caught my eye. I’m not saying it means anything, but they even asked Sauce about it after and it was like, okay, that’s kind of interesting. And I wonder if in the building they’re like, Germaine is our and this, as I’m saying this, they literally could be trading him. Germaine is our type of player. Um, and Sauce really isn’t, you know, he’s good and we looked at him for a long time now that we paid him, but actually, [ __ ] this Stevens things is like starting to work out. And Aaria Thomas look outside of one play look good against Jamar Chase and T. Higgins. If he looks good against them, maybe he looks good against everybody. And Aaron Glenn, I’m sure, has a little like look like, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa. Judges trade Quinnon Cowboys. Oh my god. Holy [ __ ] What was it? Poor first round pick. Three ones. Joe, this year a first this year. Uh, holy [ __ ] Blockbuster. Quinn Cowboys are trading uh Coin Williams. Sorry, Jets are trading Quinn Williams to the Jets for a first round pick and more. Well, this is why we keep recording. I I will keep talking while you keep digging up the uh details. So, the double emergency podcast first in Badlands history. It’s a good thing we’re also recording tonight. My god, by the time we record tonight, there could be five more trades to do. Uh not shocking, sad in the volume of what we’ve just been in like the context of what we’ve been discussing. Dude, what are we do? What is going on? What else? Is there more compensation beyond the first round pick? It says and more. Yeah. Okay. So, maybe there’s some day three stuff thrown in there. maybe another player. Uh so that will mean the Jets will have three first round picks for draft lands this off season to work with. Two, we’re going to have a thousand people at the Badlands pre-draft show. We might have to Where’s the draft this year in Pittsburgh? We might have to move there for like two weeks. I might This is nuts. Get the Airbnb. I mean, I think to the point that you said earlier, right, if you’re doing it, do it and like go all the way through with it. Now Quinn’s gone the Packers first. Interesting. Yeah, Quinn and Gone. I can’t imagine that means Quincy’s overly long for this world here. Uh maybe that doesn’t matter. Maybe I’m wrong. And you know, now up front, all right, you got Phillips, you got Briggs, all of a sudden you get a little light fast, but that doesn’t that’s not why you’re doing this because now you have the ability to kind of own the draft and effectively do whatever you want. And different I mean Quinn’s been here longer. We love Quinnon and we we’ve kind of like talked about him in the way like you kind of feel bad and you’re like can he move on and get to a better situation and like get a chance to win. I don’t know if Dallas is going to be that chance to win after what I saw last night. I could be wrong. Um, but that is you again ballsy the adjective that comes to mind, right? And saying this is we tried this for a long time with Quinn and Sauce and it didn’t work and now we’re trying something different and maybe it won’t work but we’re not going to keep doing the same thing. Uh, hard way to uh to see Quinnon go out though in the back half of the Sauce Emergency podcast. Dallas, that first round pick, you know, now that that should be meaningfully higher than the first round pick you get back for the Colts, especially if things go south quick coming out of that game last night. Oh, it’s the Cowboys first. Yes. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. No, but like they have the two ones, remember? And then Oh, that’s right. That’s right. That’s right. Jesus. There’s too many trades in the NFL. Well, the Jets right now, Joe, we’ll just do the bring up the bring up the ST. So, we’re picking three 14 and 25 right now. 28. So right now the Jets would have pick three, they’d have pick 14. Okay. And they’d have pick Well, Indy’s 30. Indies right now is the best record in the NFL. So it it’s quarterback, receiver, offensive lineman, quarterback, receiver, defensive. I’m still waiting to see if there’s anything additional. I’m sure there will be more that leak through. But like it does make you I know we’re again we’re flying this plane as we’re building it. Um, okay. At this point, again, I’m not trying to harp on Germaine. Take the second round pick, right? Like, at this point, you’re really just blowing it up. Um, and it kind of feels like, do you just I mean, this is what two of your four best players, right? They’re two their two most accomplished players. I would say they traded, right? Garrett’s I think we think Garrett’s got the highest ceiling, but Quinn’s I’ll just say this about Quinn. I know what you’ll touch on it later and I’m sure I’ll do another pod of like kind of once we take a breath here. The hardest part about Quinn was like he’s a Ring of Honor potential guy and I still think he might be because you look at it and it’s like he’s on the cusp. I I did over the summer I was like who’s the next guy and he was the obvious choice. Um he might not get quite there but he’ll be a guy that like comes back remembered well. Certainly gonna be remembered extremely well. He’s been through a lot of [ __ ] three three four defensive coordinators, three head coaches, three GMs, which is uh which is insane. I do wonder if, you know, I don’t know this for sure and and I’ll ask about it, but I wonder if Quinn was like, if you’re going to start moving people like and you have a one on the table, send me somewhere good. I do think also, which is the crazy thing here is like in hindsight, do you take the Parsons deal now looking back? I how do you feel that Parsons has looked this year? Yeah, I don’t know. I just think it’s interesting. Like I just meant more of like looking back you could have had Parsons, but again would the Jets be trading multiple ones for an edge rusher that does that fit their timeline? But I don’t know. This is it’s crazy. Like I just I mean this is one of the obviously gone, right? Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I’m cur I mean I’d be shocked if he was here post four o’clock and if it’s not that then he won’t be back next year. I mean, in terms of just transactions, one of the three craziest days in Jets history, considering the players involved, maybe number one, honestly, if you’re just I mean, you could talk about the Favre trade, the Rogers trade, but have two guys and to have three first round picks. I mean, we’re getting near uh the Pennington draft territory where they had four first round picks. And listen, Aaron Glenn was part of the Jets turning it around. Now, this was like a little later stage in his career, but how did the Jets catalyze being good for a decade plus after the early Parcels run? They had a draft with four first round picks and they also layered on guys like Kohl’s and Cotry in the middle rounds, but Pennington, Abraham, Ellis, to a lesser extent, our guy Beck and they kind of built off that draft and it was a good team for a while. Now, they’re not that far removed from a draft where they effectively had four first round picks, right? Bree was high enough in the second where it felt like for and you’ve kind of given it a goound and unfortunately thanks to Zach Wilson and many other things in the turf at Metife it didn’t work. So it is um shocking although less shocking now that after S move they would follow through with the next step of trading Quinn. I mean this draft capital and this draft class in particular is just fascinating because of how open quarterback still is. And you know, the reality again is that I think people are probably prematurely panicking about the Jets falling too far down the draft standings where I mean they’re one and seven. The Jets the Jets clearly weren’t. Now they have they don’t have sauce, they don’t have Quinnon, like I think best case scenario, even if they play scrappy down the stretch, they’re picking like seventh or eighth. And if they need to move up, they certainly have the means to do so. And if they end up picking third or fourth, like you may have your pick anyway because the Titans aren’t taking a quarterback and they’re ahead of you. And now you’re gonna have a pick in the middle of the first round thanks to Dallas, which man, there’s some exciting receivers there. I mean, I know that’s not the only position to look at with Quinn and Khan now. And then you’re still at the back half of the first round. So, it’s Glenn and Muji going for it. It’s Aaron Glenn saying one and done stuff is hysterical. Like, you don’t do you don’t let Aaron Glenn make these moves unless he’s going to be your head coach for the foreseeable future because Woody Johnson doesn’t just sell like this now. He’s getting like Quinn um Zack, you know, friend of the pod obviously. He just tweeted Quinn Williams being traded the Cowboys. I was told in recent weeks by multiple sources Williams was unhappy with the direction of the team and told people close to him he did want to be in fact be traded. He um even as that started spread around the league the Jets insisted they would not trade him. So, exactly what you and Connor said, I think we all kind of meant, you know, reiterated it in some form or fashion, like don’t trade Q unless you get blown out of the water with an offer. And B, like he’s he’s almost like you wanted him to break up with you, not be the be the [ __ ] to break up with him. And I don’t know, he was a really really good Jet. I’m sure there’ll be people in the fan base that have that were mad about sauce and Q and their tenure here, but like I don’t know. I I feel like it’s a big return, especially if that Cowboys pick like unless they turn it around, Joe, that’s a top 15 pick for Quinn, who you know, first of all, they’re going to have a gazillion dollars in cap space. Now, I know that’s that’s the other thing here, like the books, especially with all the moves they’ve made recently, even inclusive Carter, like they have they’re going to have, I don’t know, top five, top four in cap space in the NFL and three first round picks. like it is true. This was year zero. Next year is our team with our players and our spending um going forward. And yeah, I mean, look, I’ll say this. They didn’t sell low on these guys, right? Getting a top 15 pick for Quinnon right now. And we’ve been mildly critical, I think, when appropriate. Like, it’s not like it’s been Quinnon’s best eight games, right? Or well, the best year and a half he’s had. He hasn’t been a 2022 Quinnon. I think he can get there in the right situation. Like, he’s he’s very very damn good. But to get a top 15 pick for him right now, if you look at what you saw through the first eight games, that’s not bad value. And this is me again strict speaking strictly from a value standpoint. And it’s the same with Sauce to get two first rounders for him. Like I don’t know if that’s terrible value. Now, of course, can these guys draft? Can you find guys who play to the level of Quinnon and Sauce at some point? Or do you look say look look like we’re going to be a bad defense. We’re already a bad defense and we can just find a way to make it work with Stevens and Thomas and Briggs and Phillips and we can piece it together with other guys and we’re going to coach our guys up, right? I’m Aaron Glenn. I don’t need the $200 million quarterback or whatever sauce is being paid. I’m going to make it work with Brownley and Stevens and Thomas and up front we’re seeing it work with Phillips and Briggs and we can go do some other similar moves and let’s go draft our guys and redo it in the way we did, dare I say, in Detroit or we’ve seen other places do it. So, Um, a cataclysmic day in Jets history. I feel like we have to just keep recording until someone else gets traded. At this point, I would say Joe, I don’t know. Like I I wonder if you’re the Cowboys, they’re probably thinking, “Hey, in a in a vacuum, we got Quinnon Williams, Kenny Clark, and a one for Micah, and we cleared our books.” And oh, Dan scared me. Dan just Oh. Oh, boy. That’s frustrating. What? It looks like the first rounder is 2027’s first rounder. Oh man, that’s a bummer. That’s That was a real boner killer there. That was That’s brutal. Where are we? This is like This is hard to keep up, man. Real time. Um I mean, look, that doesn’t mean that interesting. That doesn’t mean you can’t make it to school. Also, you can’t use that asset and potentially moving up, right? But yes, that’s a bit of a that’s a bit of that to me feels like then it’s maybe like do they maybe acquire someone just said it’s a second in this draft in a 2027 I don’t know this is like because if I wonder to me if they’re acquiring multiple ones in 2027 is that them saying hey if we we fall out of the QB for some I don’t know we finished three and 14 oh they got a 2026 second and 2027 first. Okay, that makes it feel a little better, right? I mean, that’s not that’s not a throwin, right? To get No, I mean that’s a top. They they now have two ones, two twos this year, two ones, two twos next year, right? No, three ones next year. Yes. Okay. Okay. So, two ones this year, two twos, two next year, three ones next year and a two. Um, and again, you have the assets. Doesn’t mean you can’t use one of those 2027 first to move up if you want to. And having two twos this year gives you um an immense amount of flex. I mean, look, to get a one and a two for him, that doesn’t change what I just said about getting the value back, right? Like that that’s a serious hall for a guy who How many double digit sacks does Quinnon have in his career? One. Like that’s not Yeah, he’s the one, right? He just All right. Jets have two ones this year, two twos this year, three ones next year, and a two next year, if that makes sense. Yeah. So totally owning the draft the next two years. This is real time. I guess we can I guess we can wrap with this and obviously more. But all in all, this is a clear sign of like, hey, these guys are not in our window or they are in our window, but the offers are too good to pass up. It feels like Q both said, I’m good here. And getting a two and a one for Q or one and a two for Q is a lot. Uh, you know, they were going to have to repay him. And again, he’s been an awesome jet, but it probably was kind of doing right by the player, sent him somewhere good. Uh, on top of that, obviously, good capital. When it comes to sauce, it feels like that was purely a the offer was just too good to pass up and we need to just build the heck out of the the rest of the roster. And for the money plus the picks, it’s worth more than what you are to us. And that’s probably what they uh what they came, you know, came to a conclusion on. again whether it’s it obviously likes and the Jets got Mazy Smith who sucks but um whatever that’s that’s irrelevant that’s a classic the Jets are Muji’s doing a big he loves the loves a nice throw in uh loves loves the throw in the king of the throw in loves a bign name player who stinks uh uh but yeah no I guess end of the day like this is a pretty monumental day as you mentioned like outside of that 2000 draft The sauce trade to me, Joe, feels very much like Keshan. Yeah. Where it was where it’s like star player. Yep. Big personality. Not not really as much of a fan favorite as his production probably indicated. A little noisy. Um a guy they took in the top four obviously. And then like they get this huge hall that they could build. They built basically what 2000 through 2011 off the backs of a lot of that draft. um second rounder and then yeah so again the official terms for Q because it finally came out 20262 20271 and Mazy Smith for Q the Cowboys are going to redo his contract which good luck Dallas okay yeah good luck I don’t know I don’t know where I I just don’t even know what you’re supposed to do but at this point I’ll be pretty shocked if we’re not you and Connor are not doing your pod and I’m sure I’ll do one right at four or whatever that is going to be hey the Jets two more trades it’s a great day for like five pods Yeah. Like seriously, why are you not calling San Francisco and saying, “Can you take Michael Clemens and we’ll swap six round picks?” And it’s like or just something that’s like, “Hey, we’re really we are really starting over because at this point outside of the tackles, Titman, Mason Taylor, obviously Garrett on defense, is there anybody?” It’s like, shouldn’t you just really be like anybody’s available for a price? because we just traded our two two of our three franchise guys, you know, the the yearbook guys. So, yeah. I don’t know. This is a what a day. This is over very overwhelming. I thought we were going to get a couple guys out, a couple guys in. Um I was kind of bullish on one of Germaine Q, but I didn’t see saucing Q being the first two big moves of the Glen era. Wow, this is uh what a day. Well, thank everyone for listening. As Will just said, we will be back on the feed shortly. will this afternoon me and Connor tonight. Uh me and Connor also with Dan Hans later. So more to come. What a day of emergency pods. Thank you everyone.

Joe and Will with reaction to the New York Jets trading BOTH Sauce Gardner and Quinnen Williams

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