Carolina Panthers will need Bryce Young to produce more

Good job. I respect the patience. I respect the self-awareness. You resisted the temptation to say, “We’re above 500 at the deadline. Let’s go spend. We’re going for it, baby. First round postseason exit is worth all of our picks. Let’s go for it.” They resisted the urge, and I respect that. They had the self-awareness to say, “We’re good. We’re we’re we’re we are a solid NFL team right now. Uh we are not one player away from contending. We are not, hey, if we only had this or these few things, we could go challenge the top of the conference. Uh but we’re also not so bad that we need to think constantly about our draft capital and and send away everything that’s not uh strapped down. good patience and selfrestraint. Do you know why I think a good portion of the football analysts and also I would even say like front office people across the league don’t think the Panthers are one player away. Bryce Young, if you had a a simply more upper echelon trustworthy quarterback, uh, and I’m not saying this is about Bryce as a dude. I’m saying this about Bryce as a football player. By all accounts, seems like a great guy. Going to keep working, keep doing all the things right. From a football standpoint, I think it’s it’s shown that he’s limited. And there weren’t any legit quarterbacks available at the deadline. That’s always a pipe dream. You wouldn’t move somebody and expect them uh to to come in and be the the franchise quarterback anyway, unless you’re Joe Flacco. Apparently, he can just drop in anywhere and be super duper. Uh Bryce Young is becoming a really interesting case. this past week threw for 102 yards, no touchdowns, one interception, won the football game, which opens up the door for the Bryce Young fans to say the only stat that matters is winning the football game. And yeah, I get it. And I like you have to say it. Yep. Winning’s the only thing that matters. sacrifice everything for a win. I’ll cut off my pinky for a win. I don’t need a left toe. I don’t know. Like, it’s just appendages being chopped off for wins because it’s that important. And I get you. 102 passing yards. 102 passing yards shows that the team thinks the best way to win is to hide you. That’s the people that support you. That’s the people that are with you every day in practice. That’s the people that call the plays. The best way to support you, the best way to win is to not ask you to do that much. And I don’t know if that’s how the the game plan started. I know that’s what the game plan was after the interception. It just became, can we put this dude in bubble wrap? I went and looked it up. The interception, which was a bad interception, by the way. Uh I did I did I even tweeted this out. coaches tell me to wait to react until I look at it from multiple angles. So, my gut reaction, not a good play, but let’s wait. Uh, it was the wind was involved, but also it it wasn’t like throw a spiral, right? Throw a spiral cuts through the wind. Yeah. Have a stronger arm. Cut it through the wind. I I watched that entire game. Very rarely did I say, “Oh, Jordan Love’s pass got caught in the wind.” Because he was throwing darts and every single pass of Bryce Young was like, “That did that get moved? That was a hitch five yards in front of him. Did that thing move two feet to the left? Jordan Love drops in like hits a couple of passes downfield. At least put it on target that were 50 yards downfield. So that was a really bad play. It was terrible. After that play, he threw for 102 yards. Before the interception, he was four for four for 36 yards. He did have that fumble where it got hit and then scooped by by Chuba Hubard. If you want to count that as an incompletion or like a bad pass play, four for five for 36 yards. After that play, seven for 16 for 66 yards. That play happened about 2 minutes into the second quarter. So he had essentially three quarters left to go. He threw for 66 yards. 19 of them came on the final drive. the best play he had and if you I don’t want to say the best play he had one little scramble throw that was okay but the the most crucial play towards winning that he made was a an improv activity before the play and you can go look it up people on Twitter are giving him a lot of love for this he acted like he was calling out pass protections and telling Rico Dowel who to block on a play on the final drive that they ended up driving for the game-winning field goal. Uh, and then he handed it off to Rico Dowel. And, uh, then you go post game, Micah Parsons is saying, “Yeah, I didn’t expect him to run. I thought they were going to pass. It was a great play call.” And, and everyone’s like, “Well, that’s cuz he gave him the old rasmataz with the the the the acting before the play. He thought that they were going to pass it cuz Rico, you’re a quarterback in the NFL. I don’t believe there is a position in sports that impacts winning and losing as much as quarterback in the NFL. Maybe starting pitcher, but that only happens once every five games. Quarterback’s out there every single time. You are a quarterback in the NFL. And if at the end of the game we’re saying the biggest play you made to impact winning was a a Saturday Night Live sketch that you and your running back put on before the snap. It screams loudly, right? It’s it’s it’s a negative space picture. You know what I mean? Yeah. If you look at what Bryce Young did, there’s some good. But if you look at what he didn’t do, I think that tells the story as much as anything. And it goes on and on and on for the wins that he’s had in his career. Yeah, he made made a on almost all of them, right? He has 11 wins, nine of them game-winning drives. Those drives are pretty awesome, but it’s the things he didn’t do in the first, second, third quarters, beginning of the fourth quarter that put him in that situation that tell of the story as anything. Now, I am a big proponent of don’t make a decision before you have to. Okay? Don’t decide if you’re going left or right until you get to the fork in the road. Because guess what? You might pull up and one way might be closed for construction and you’re like, “Well, we we spent all that time debating and debating and debating and we didn’t even have a decision to make.” So, so don’t you can you can gather information and and all of that. Prepare to make a decision. I’m just saying don’t make it stamp it triple stamp official, right? So, if you if you’re already saying like Bryce Young has to go or Bryce Young needs a contract extension or pick up his fifth year option, I’m going why are you making that decision now? You don’t have to make it till uh this off season. But gather information, right? be prepared to to have to make whatever decision you have to make. One of the hardest things to do, I would imagine, I’ve never been a GM, but I’ve I’ve watched the rise and fall of teams and multiple sports my entire life. The hardest thing to do, it seems, is to make changes with a I would I would say middling even playoff roster. If you’re not in the barrel, if you’re not in the bottom, if you’re not in the dungeon, there’s a there’s a desire, a a urge to not make any big changes because you could could get worse. When you’re the worst team in the league and you’re changing quarterbacks and you’re changing coaches and you’re changing, that’s easy, right? Because it’s so bad. How could it get worse? It’s hard when you’re like, you made the playoffs the last two years, but you got to make a big change. It’s hard when yeah, you’re above 500, but you got to make a change. Look at what the Seattle Seahawks did. Seahawks were a playoff team last year. Gino Smith was one of the stories of of the the league, right? His reclamation project in Seattle. They moved on from they made big changes. They brought in Sam Darnold. They changed up some things. And guess what? Gang busters. Jackson Smith and Jig was maybe the best receiver in the league this year. They’re winning and they’re they’re all in. They’re making trades to get players. They got Rash Rashid Shahid earlier today. I’m not saying you have to make the decision to move on from Bryce. Now, but I’m saying prepare yourself for maybe having to make that decision. Nothing firm, right? There’s still a bunch of games left here and maybe he has a bunch of 300 yard passing games and wins. In which case, I would go, “Thank goodness we didn’t lock in our decision back in November 4th.” But be prepared to make a decision where perhaps you are 9 and 8. Perhaps you are playing meaningful football into the last month of the season. You have that week 14 buy followed by three out of four games being in division. Maybe those games matter for playoffs. And however they go, you might still have to make a decision on your quarterback in the offseason. Be prepared for it. Are you winning games because of him? Or are there better options out there that might turn that nine and eight season into 11 and 11 12 wins, whatever it ends up being? How often are you going to sustain winning with your starting quarterback going 11 of 20 for 102 yards in a pick or the How long can you s like be honest, how long can you sustain that? The the other option would be to tell Bryce, listen, we understand what we have to do around you to win. you want to take this $4 million a year contract because then then we can go get the offensive line and running game and defense that is needed for us to win around you, right? We’re not going to find a Rico Dowel for $3 million on on the scrap heap who’s ready to be the best running back in the league once he takes over every year. That’s not sustainable. We might be able to get a Derrick Henry if we’re willing to pay $15 million a year, but we need that to come out of your salary. like and and by the way, Bryce won’t do that because he’s a smart business guy and you know, I’m sure he has an agent that, you know, likes big houses. But, uh, my point is these wins where you’re working very hard to hide the effectiveness or ineffectiveness of the quarterback, they don’t prove to me that he is the dude moving forward. if if you give him the opportunity to be the dude moving forward and he lives up to it, we can revisit and we will revisit. But I’m not watching that game at any point in time and thinking outside of maybe the last drive. I’ll give him that. He’s weirdly calm on last drives. Uh but there’s not a whole lot out there I’m thinking like thank goodness they have Bryce Young. And that probably says all you need to say for where he is right now. 102 passing yards. And I’ve been a quarterback that wins at the college level, FCS level, throwing for like 60 yards. It’s a weird, not good, hollow feeling. You win, you’re happy, you’re high-fiving your teammates. Inside, you’re like, I threw for nothing today, and I don’t really know if I should be celebrating like everybody else. It’s a weird feeling. I promise you. The drive at

Tim Donnelly & Dennis Cox discuss how the Carolina Panthers will need more from starting quarterback Bryce Young after an 11 for 20, 102 yard, 1 INT performance against the Green Bay Packers.

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47 comments

  2. A few points. Love had a pick that was caught in the wind. It’s not blowing hard the entire game. The darts that love through was probably less windy than his pick. Another thing is that the game plan going on was to get rid of the ball quick. I think this ties in on why Micah parsons never had a pressure. Canales just had Bryce do the minimum to win and it worked. I don’t think the answer of that game was to get him to throw deep balls. With all of that being said if Bruce had more ability than canales wouldn’t plan that game the same

  3. Alot of quarterbacks got better numbers than bryce but game on the line they cant even get it done his team knows and believe in him and know if we keep it close he's going down the field same thing Pat Mahone did the year they went to the superbowl defense carried that team the whole year and dats not a comparison wit bryce and Pat dont be ridiculous

  5. Like the great Drew Brees said. You can't really tell what you have in a QB until 50 starts in the NFL. That holds weight, not what these couch GM's say. I like what I have seen from BY this year.

  9. No one is talking about how on the play that he handed off to Rico on the final drive, the snap was AWFUL. Bryce handled it well and the result was a huge run to lead us to victory. Not everything is on the stat sheet.

  12. Ppl in here are dumb we don’t need a mahomes or stafford 400 yards passing that’s not what we need and it ain’t panther ball Bryce can sling the rock if needed Bt we play hard nose ball if u want that pretty crap then go to the rams fan base or something all we need is a game manager with no turnovers day 1 fan so I ain’t trying to hear it

  13. Ooh boy, the cult of Bryce will be after you for telling the truth. They want this guy to be Jayden Daniel's that's who they actually see. It's kinda like a borderline religion.

  15. If Defense shows up top play. Give the ball to Rico and Bryce stays out of the way Panthers have a chance. But that doesn't say allot for a number 1 pick but it is what it is😅

  16. Y’all keep saying that they are hiding Bryce Young’s deficiencies but what if just if the running game was the best option for that game what if it was working what if they couldn’t stop the run obviously they couldn’t is it bad that they ran a ball because it was working at the time, maybe when Bryce said that they realize the wind was really against them and the best option at that time is to run the ball yes he had 100 yards and yes a interception but at the end of the day, he put us in a position to win the game doesn’t matter how pretty it is or how ugly it is. We won the game.

  18. Like it or not, BY is the leader of the Carolina Panthers and the players rally behind him. That to me speaks volumes. We still have a long way to grow. KEEP POUNDING

  19. If we want to win in the playoffs? Absolutely. Thats the next goal isn’t it? Not just barely squeaking by no matter the opponent (bad jets, good GB) goal is to be firing on all cylinders. Bryce need to play better for us to. Thats correct.

  21. I'm fine with Bryce currently. I'm not really worried about his performance at all. I kinda disagree about the impact of a QB in the NFL today. For me, it's the RB1 now. Barkley, Cook, Taylor, and, of course, Dowdle. You can win a lot of regular games and playoff games if not a Super Bowl with a dang good RB. They aren't be all, end all. But it's a big, big help to QB and the whole offense if you have a talented and tough running back.

  22. I think we can do better at Qb obviously and anyone saying we can’t is literally drunk Bryce is good at leading these guys and making good reads but Bryce isn’t imposing his will on NFL defenses like what game this year have we been like Bryce really saved us without him we lose this for sure

  25. This is a wild take. We cyber bullied canales to make Rico the #1 back, Rico gets the carries and does what he does and literally carries us to a victory, but now we want Bryce to do more? He just needs to do what we need him to do to win. This game is 100 yards, maybe the next game it’s 300 yards. But we gotta just go with wins when we get em lol

  26. I am a bryce young believer always have been. Tim makes valid points but i also feel like he and dennis go out of the way to minimize bryce’s impact outside of stats. do we all wanna see him light up the scoreboard? absolutely 100% but it’s clear his style of play is game manager and elite game manager on his best days and if we’re winning games FINALLY honestly who are we to then come complaining about stats lol. bryce unquestioned leader of this team and i think he’s also self aware/humble enough to take a 1-2 year prove it extension before they drop a massive bag on him. i get it’s not sexy but he also is up there with game winning drives with the likes of burrow and some other elite company. i think it’s fair to expect a little more passing game wise but let’s not act like bryce is just out there riding coattails and let’s definitely not minimize who he is to this team regardless of what the stat padders want to see

  27. secondly as much criticism as this fanbase gives him look at how his peers and other coaches speak on him and it’s not just “oh he’s a good player” coach speak multiple coaches have given bryce 2-3 minutes of praise and how much they respect his game. again i agree we need to see more but it seems it’s only inside this fam base that think he can’t play football

  28. Sure bryce needs to do more IF the run game isn't working but if not he's fine where he is clean up some missed throws and we good keep playing our brand of football

  30. Can we talk about anything else? I don’t think Bryce has done anything this year to make us feel confident he’s our franchise QB, but to simply read off the stats and minimize everything else is wild. He’s proven he CAN put the team on his back, he did it multiple times at the end of last season, but in a game with 30 mph wind (yes Love could throw, but had 3 turnover worthy plays and got lucky to end with only 1 pick), the D and the run game working like that.. and an insane pass rush against a decimated o line. The best thing he could do was to take care of the ball (which he did aside from one bad throw), lead from the huddle, and execute what coach ordered. This is a take I’d expect from someone who just started playing fantasy for the first time.

  32. Are you not the samw guy who would pick Dalton over Bryce? and you see how that turned out lol Bryce Is a really good QB and I can't wait til he shuts up all his haters and and doubters including yall!!

  33. I’ll sum up Bryce Young like this. He’s the Robert Horry of football. He doesn’t have to light up the stat sheet, but when it comes to clutch throws at the most needed time, he comes through..

  34. Bryce’s development at the nfl level has been horrendous. We’ve seen the qb play he was at his rookie year. He’s gonna play stunted and underperforming. It’s worth noting he matched with Dak Prescott in week 6.

  35. look man…. bryce strengths are more in a thinking process than ability if that makes sense. we all knew this. i can’t believe tim downplayed bryce finessing the d into thinking it was a pass .. well yea i can but point is the man gets the job done. yea we would want to see 250 but the game the team plays is not that.. it doesn’t mean he can’t do it but all up til now it was “feed rico” & that’s happening and now yall have an issue with bryce passing for a buck. if we ground and pound down the field and take a lot of time off the clock then what else do you want and how many passing plays you think they’re gonna call when runs work as good as they are ?

  36. Among Panthers fans, it is surprising how such an evident matter can generate so much division. It is unclear why some supporters feel compelled to defend Byrce Young so vigorously. While a few impressive throws may occur, they do not equate to consistently strong quarterback play. Throughout this season, regardless of wins or losses, there has been no instance where Byrce Young’s decision-making, accuracy, or overall performance can be described as exceptional. Although everyone hopes for his growth and improvement, his struggles have been more pronounced than those of his peers. Comparisons to CJ Stroud, fair or otherwise, seem inevitable. Moreover, disagreeing with an opinion does not invalidate the entire argument, as every point made in this segment contains elements of truth.

  37. This is just brutal to hear. Damned if you do, damned if you don't. Bryce threw for 320, 3 TDs against Arizona in a L. Everyone said he had no support his rookie year and they were 2-15. He showed flashes last year, but the defense couldn't stop a nosebleed and they went 5-12. The TEAM is finally not terrible, Bryce doesn't have to carry the offense, the offense doesn't need to score 30 to win… and he needs to show more? Why? Why does there need to be a referendum on whether he's a top 5 QB right now? Should they go back to Chuba and average 3 YPC to force more on to Bryce to see if he's good enough?

  38. I like Bryce Young, but you are right. Our online is great, we have a star receiver, a star corner, and star d lineman. If we want to really take that leap to be a legit contender for years to come, a decision needs to be made this year. And that decision needs to be to move on from Bryce and find a QB that has more potential to lead us to the Super Bowl.

  39. They’re not moving on from Bryce young.. they are still building the team..this hot take that a qb needs to have high passing yards to win is ridiculous..I believe the staff knows better than any of these numb nuts , that talk all of this thrash ..

  40. 102 passing yds. Well, he aint calling the plays. He's proven he can complete passes. Dallas was a so called shootout and he held his own. How mant int's were thrown this weekend but ours is oh no, the sky is falling. BY aint Josh or even Cam for that matter. But get out of his way and let him prove you right rather than limiting him then going i told you so.

  41. I just don’t know how he can look how he did last game of last year and then the way he looked Sunday? I feel like playcalling does nothing to get or keep him in rhythm or plays to his strengths.

  42. GB is a top 10 pass defense. The winds were crazy, contributing to the INT, The Panthers ran the ball 33 times, passed it 20. Panthers lost time of possession because our defense played bend don’t break. Or, you could be right about that bubble wrap.

  43. YOU'RE FULL OF SH*T! YOU FORGET ABOUT GAMES IN THE PAST, REMEMBER THE CARDINAL GAME? WHEN THE PANTHERS ALMOST CAME BACK AND WON! BRYCE HAD 247 YDS PASSING IN THAT GAME AND 3 TD'S, BUT IT WAS NOT EVEN MENTIONED BY ANY SPORTSCASTER BECAUSE THEY DIDN'T WIN IT! ANYWAY, MY POINT IS, IF HE HAS TO PASS, HE CAN PASS AND GET THE F*CKING YARDS, BUT HE DIDN'T HAVE TO PASS A LOT IN THIS GAME BECAUSE OF THE RUNNING GAME! BUT WHEN HE DID PASS, HE MADE SOME GREAT PASSES MAN, THEY WERE TIGHT PASSES, RIGHT ON THE MONEY, EXCEPT THE ONE THAT WAS PICKED OFF {MIGHT HAVE BEEN CAUGHT IN THE WIND} AND THAT ONE THE RECEIVER FELL DOWN ON! I THINK BRYCE IS DOING GOOD!

  44. Sam Darnold will throw 4 td then fold at the end of the game. Im more confident in Bryce with 2 min left than Darnold.

    Sam has 3 more game winning drives than BY and hes played 80 more games.

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