Honestly I’ve found Reddit to have the least amount of haters and the most logic of any social media crowd – so I’m curious to get our fans’ thoughts here.
I get tired of the Bryce stat-bashing when fans see…110 yards, 0 TD, 170 yards, or 230 yards 1 TD, 2 INT…whatever it may be. I have tried to relentlessly defend it as scheme, because we’re currently a run heavy team with Dowdle and a defense and special teams that has done okay giving our offense shorter fields, which I define as 60 yards or less.
However, I want to open this up to community discussion. We’ve seen 2.5 years of Bryce now, and very very very few big stat games, where we see 300+ yards and 3-4+ total TD. Does the community think this is all scheme driven by a run heavy game, the coaches don’t think Bryce can get big chunk plays, or some combination of it all? Do you see Bryce ever taking that step of being a top 5-10 QB where he’s got the big stats? Or will we have to scheme-defend his haters for the rest of his career?
For me personally, it all comes back to W/L and they’re on a great track with defense and the run game. Bryce also shines as a clutch QB and making the big throws when it counts most under four minutes in tight games.
Just curious to get the community’s thoughts on this, because it’s something I think about a lot and I think Reddit could produce an awesome discussion. #KeepPounding
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this is gonna open up a can of worms. Brace yourself
A member post a great analysis of Bryce few days ago. He Excels in a shotgun spread system where he can see the field and anticipate. He is small and can see and diagnose the field better from far back pre snap.
I’m going to be downvoted to hell and I’m happy we’re having success but I still don’t think he’s the guy. I think we’re run heavy because we need to be. I think he has moments of magic but I don’t think he can do it from beginning to end game to game. I think he’s somewhere around 18-22 as far as QBs go.
I pretty much key on on what the coaches and other players say about him and the vibe. Like with Tre’von’s GMFB segment he just had, he was asked about Bryce and he proclaims he is that dude, and seems to believe in him 100%. To me, Bryce seems like he is more of a long-term ascend and not an instant ascend. Kind of like how Darnold seems to have found his stride after what, 7 years? He seems like he will get better and better each year, so if the Panthers are willing to wait or not, is up for debate.
I am honestly fine with his progression right now and would like to see a better back up QB added, whether that is FA or the draft. If we do go draft, I would like to see some like Jayden Maiava get drafted and back up for a a year or two and see where Bryce is at that time.
I couldn’t care less about Bryce’s stats.
Especially when you put the proper context around the lower yardage games.
Haters who want to get on Bryce will look for any thing that they can latch on too.
Be forreal is there a fundamental difference between 199 or 198 yards passing vs like a 250 yard passing game if the result is a win? No there isn’t.
Against Dallas Bryce threw for just under 200 yards but had 3 passing tds and made clutch plays to help seal the win.
That’s all I care about.
You’ll notice that last season the haters would be like “I don’t care about stats I don’t think Bryce can win meaningful games. He only turns it on after the season is already lost.”
Now that we are winning meaningful games and in the hunt for playoffs it’s switched to his yardage is low.
Miss me with all this shit.
My concern is that Young’s ceiling is something like the 20th best QB. Committing long-term to a guy like that is the equivalent of being in QB purgatory, especially since you can’t offer a contract that pays him like someone in that range.
I don’t care about the stats. If we start losing or Bryce becomes the reason we’re losing, then we can revisit it. But right now, I don’t care. Save them arguments for ESPN.
I’m positive he can get it going. He got thrown in to a shit situation especially for an undersized QB.
His benching last year was great for him and he did very well at the end of last year with the situation still being kind of shit.
This year right before the season starts he loses thielan and Coker and Legette was dealing with his own slump and was injured(benched?). On top of that the center situation was not looking good.
I also like to take in to account that he’s still younger than some rookie and second year starting QBs in the league. Also, his receivers and tight ends are mostly freshman and sophomores.
This is the perfect time to lean on the run game and defense, let Bryce build confidence and chemistry with his receivers, and let the game slow down for all of them.
The flashes are there and I think we’ll see them stop being flashes and start being the norm. Breakout game incoming against the niners or bucs and he moves his floor to the next level imo.
I think we’d all feel better if there were more 275 yard, 3 TD, 0 turnover games sprinkled in.
Noteworthy that Bryce had 35 attempts in JAX and 55 in AZ and they started 0-2.
When he maxes out at 30 attempts they simply perform better as an offense.
I don’t think Bryce will ever be a big stat guy. He is what he is. He needs a strong supporting cast to succeed. I don’t believe he can grow into Allen or Mahones type player. I would like to be proven wrong but I simply do not see it. With a strong supporting cast we maybe able to compete for division title and playoff berths and maybe win a few playoff games but I don’t see Super Bowl with him at the helm.
Again I would love for me to be proven wrong but he is limited in his ceiling.
“Least amount of haters and most amount of logical thinkers?”
What side of Reddit are you on?!
Dude has never averaged less than 30 attempts a game in season. So let’s not pretend like he doesn’t get the chances to sling it. He just doesn’t do anything with the opportunity.
Biggest thing I’ve ever noticed is his stats would look wildly different if our receivers caught the ball more often, he would have more overall yards and touchdowns if that were the case. When receivers bail out QBs for other teams we aren’t thinking how many less yards or tds that QB would have, just that they had great stats. If our guys would catch some of the passes this would be the case for us. There are situations where our receivers have bailed out Bryce, or Bryce legit has bad throws or poor placement making it hard on the receivers. But if they can touch it, they can and should catch it, most of the time.
Setting aside all of the volume metrics, Bryce’s numbers are still near the bottom of the league basically across the board. 30th in completion percentage, 24th in TD%, 7th worst INT%, 34th in Y/A, 30th in passer rating. But he plays better in the 4th quarter, so people will act like his intangibles make up for the fact that he is a replacement level QB on the field. From an organizational perspective, the greatest quality he brings is that he is on a rookie contract and not eating up 20% of the cap. There is no reason to keep him after next season. Can he improve? Sure. But he has not done anything through 2.5 seasons to show any indication that he is getting better.
11-27.
The only stat I care about when it comes to Bryce Young.
Here is to hoping that it continues to improve! 🍻
Part of Bryce’s lower passing stats is absolutely due to our offense being run focused, sure, but ask yourself why we’re run focused.
It’s because Bryce just isn’t very good. I don’t think he’s bad, but if he were better at the position then our offense would reflect that.
Non panthers fan so in theory unbiased, Bryce young is clearly not it, 3rd year first overall isnt pacing for even 3500 yards? Thats just not a franchise qb imo,
Granted Darnold, Baker and Geno came back from patchy starts, but they also moved teams to better offensive environments in all 3 scenarios and also had multiple years on the bench/spot starting to break bad habits and study film
It also seems like we have the lowest YAC out of our receivers. They aren’t breaking free for long plays. Seems where they catch the ball is where the play stops. A lot of QB yards come from that so it’s not like they are actually throwing it for 300 yards a game. It’s probably more like 200 and guys are breaking big runs after
The stats concern me. But I also think there should be a discussion as to whether the Panthers have wide receivers that consistently get open. Other than McMillan, do we have any receivers who routinely get separation?
It isn’t about what Bryce does. It’s about what Bryce seemingly can’t do. The skills he lacks, the consistency he fails to bring.
It’s not about the games that Bryce (debatably) wins for us (9 in 3 years) it is about the games he fails to influence.
He is a high level backup QB.
He is not a QB that can win the Superbowl.
He’s very physically limited and can’t make all the throws he especially struggles to the left boundary beyond 10 yds.
He is in the bottom of pretty much every QB metric there is.
He’s a good guy and wouldn’t mind keeping him as our backup down the road
Ultimately it’s about winning ball games. If we can do that with what Bryce offers, I support it. But it’s hard to not be a little concerned about a dude getting 150 yards on 30 attempts. The only times he’s cleared 200 yards so far, he’s needed 50+ throws to do it.
He’s in his third year in the NFL and he’s been statistically a bottom 5 QB for qualified starters basically every year including this year. Of all the starters in the NFL the only ones getting less yards per game is Justin Fields and he’s also 29th in completion percent.
I would expect more out of a first overall pick than to be at the bottom of the yards and accuracy boards in his third year.
It’s not good. It’s okay for a game manager but you do not trade years worth of picks and several high profile players for a game manager. Top 5? Looks impossible. Top 10? Unlikely. As long as he doesn’t turn the ball over he’s serviceable though.
W/L are not a QB specific stat.
I’ll take clutch over stats any day of the week
I don’t think it’s that serious.
I usually use this comparison in Instagram arguments when I defend my goat by9, but our situation is basically the exact same as the last year sb champion Eagles.
Our team is winning, because of a great rushing offense and a defense that can stop a lot of top offenses, so when Jalen Hurts would throw for 150 yards and no TDs, he would catch flack for being carried, from everyone except Eagles fans.
Bryce is an efficient QB who can manage the game, and we have seen firsthand what happens when an inefficient QB gets the start over Bryce (the bills game)
When he throws for 100 yards, it’s not because he’s bad, it’s because he had 11 completions in 20 pass attempts, that’s not terrible (granted it’s not great but the packers are a great team).
I think we’ve seen Bryce’s floor, but not his ceiling. Where that ceiling is though, I’m not sure. I’ll admit a big part of his limit is size/strength, and he may never get past it.
He gives me Taylor Heinicke vibes. Bryce is 3 inches shorter a few pounds lighter for reference.
Honestly, the fact that we’re seeing any level of success right now is nothing short of miraculous.
Second year HC with a roster of guys he largely didn’t get to decide on, a QB who started under an ancient football scheme and has seen more head coaches in 3 years than some top-talent QBs have seen in their entire careers. A defense who was literally the worst in the NFL *ever* a year ago. And we’re still somehow in the hunt for the division.
I’m about 60% on Bryce. I was all in when he was drafted and subscribed to the anti-hate media that we didn’t have any system in place for him. I rolled that back quick after watching some of his play and to be honest I just think he needs some time and structure. He can be good, but I don’t think he’s a franchise guy. He’ll be serviceable until we get an opportunity for a guy in a draft down the line.
If the offense can expand and canales can find ways to open the playbook a bit to get him some opportunities downfield, we will probably see him make some good stat lines. When he throws, he’s usually pretty accurate. With a good receiving core that’s important.
The number of game winning drives he’s passed us through this year is enough for me to be pretty hopeful honestly.
When he needs to hit it he has been and that’s a damn good sign. Plus our o line injuries this year and how he’s been navigating that is awesome to see.
I’m quietly confident and looking forward to seeing his development.