Cowboys acquiring Quinnen Williams is Jerry Jones ‘BETTING ON THE FUTURE!’ – Peter Schrager | Get Up

Cowboys acquiring Quinnen Williams is Jerry Jones ‘BETTING ON THE FUTURE!’ – Peter Schrager | Get Up

Go squad rolling. Brandon and all the Jet fans have a lot to say. Wild day. We’re all here. Let’s go. You know what we’re talking about right off the bat. An absolutely crazy day on trade deadline day. It led to a wild 80 minutes for our buddy Adam Shfter. It all began 12:47 p.m. Eastern time. News breaking that the AFC leading Colts are trading two first round picks to the Jets for cornerback Sauce Gardner bolstering Indy’s defense. Four minutes later, the Seahawks tied for the best record in the NFC trade for Saints receiver. Big playmaker Rasheed Shahit giving Sam Darnold another offensive weapon. And then a little over an hour later, 205 Eastern, Jerry Jones drops the mic. He talked the talk and he walks the walk. He gets three-time Pro Bowl defensive tackle Quinn and Williams, which had our guy Swagu fired up as the news broke. He said something and he did it, y’all. He said it and he did it. Listen, I think this is huge for the Dallas Cowboys. They help bolster their pass rush, but they also get a guy that plays the run very well. And people probably scratching their head, well, they got Kenny Clark. Kenny Clark was more to solidify the run game. Quinnon is going to be both. and we’ve seen him play at the highest level as one of the defensive tackles in this league. I think this is a hell of a deal for the Dallas Cowboys to get an impact player right now. We begin with this and obviously there are great many things to say. Jerry, I apologize. Yesterday I said you must never if there’s one thing I know, it’s putting on a show and delivering a tease. So the other day Jerry had teased we got a big trade and then all of a sudden the trade gets announced and I said no no no that’s not how you pay off a tease. You don’t pay off a tease with a linebacker that Cincinnati benched. But later in the day if there’s one thing Jerry knows it’s how to put on a show. He goes out and he gets a big time player in Quinn and Williams in a big time trade. Peter, how did it happen? Yeah, the mechanics of it are interesting. This name had not been public until about 24 hours before the deal actually went down. You actually heard Quincy Williams, Quinnon’s brother, and Bree Hall. And yet Saus and Quinnon were never in those conversations. Cowboys started making them. There were multiple teams that made offers for Quinnon Williams yesterday. The Jets though got the best compensation from the Cowboys. The Cowboys gave up a lot in this deal. Multiple picks. And the second rounder that they get this year is what the Jets were harping on. They wanted a second rounder in addition to what they got. They get it in 26. They get the additional first and 27. The Cowboys, they were in a room. It was obviously Jerry, but also Will Mccclelay and Stephven Jones. They were on that conference call with Darren Muji. They pull off the deal. It actually happened earlier in the morning. They waited till after the mangled funeral services out of respect to everyone in that family. It was made public. Cowboys, they’re doing flips. The Jets, they’re quietly happy with a giant giant bounty of picks that they received. Before I get my guys in here on the Cowboys side of it, Kmart, just your your big picture thoughts. It’s obviously an earthshaking kind of trade. It is, especially if you’re in New York. But I understand Marcus’ um elation uh because Jerry did something. Jerry did something big. And I think if you look at this move by itself, you say, “Okay, good player. I love Quinn Williams the person. I love Quinn Williams the player.” I think the thing when you look at Jerry is he talked on Monday night after that loss about my immediate tomorrows are a big thing to me. This is a move that helps them not today, this season. and it helps them next year and the year after that. So, I think if you’re looking at the Cowboys and thinking, “Oh, they’re going to turn it around with Quinn and Williams.” I would say, “Okay, just hold off just a little bit. Check out their record.” We’re doing math today, gentlemen. Quinn and Williams plus Dallas Cowboys equals what? Watching the playoffs at home still. Okay. It does. Look, look, he is a good player. Well, that was fun. He’s super good apologies. He’s a very good player. He’s a very good player. He’s not an Aaron Donaldesque type of player that can absolutely lift the pass rush to the degree where it can offset which is what is probably the worst pass defense in the NFL, right? Okay. A secondary that just gets budged. We saw that Monday night. We saw what the Cardinals did to it. That is really where their Achilles heel lies. Of course, we talked about it, you know, in the green room or rather in our meeting this morning. Every single year come November and December, how do we talk about the Cowboys about them being soft up the middle? Well, look, Logan Wilson and Quint and Quinnon Williams along with Kenny Clark, that actually solidifies that. That won’t be the problem this year. The problem will be pass rush and being able to offset what is going on in the secondary and that’s going to have you sitting at home. Yeah. Yeah. I I agree. I think from my perspective, this is a this is a very good pickup for the Dallas Cowboys player-wise. Like talking about like what you’re giving up, I’m not getting that. Just from a player perspective, Williams Wilson overshan Clark, the interior portion of your front seven are now dudes and and defenses are built from the inside out. So what they’ve got there is is how that’s the nucleus that you need. Now to to Lou’s point about the background, the back field of this defense. They have to figure a way out to earn the right to pass rush. That means keeping people out of third and shorts and and and third and you know and third and manageables. You got to get people where they can rush it cuz they can rush the passer decently, but you got to earn your way to that. And I think that’s what Eber Flu is going to have to figure out on the back end because there’s way too many guys running wide open. And even you saw like Harrison, man, he lit them up, bro. And that’s their best corner. Just remember this too now. They’re 32nd, I believe, in the NFL in number of first downs given up by the run. Yes. Okay. So that that they needed to like shut down first cuz to Jeff’s point, they haven’t earned the right to rush the passer anyway. So it’s just it’s a problem. A quick reminder, if they’re 32nd, there are only 32 teams in this. I think I think Jeff brought up the most important name, which is Eber Flu. I think what we’ve been waiting to see with this defense is can Eber Flu take take these pieces, see what they have, see what they’re best at, and then scheme to fit that and so far it hasn’t worked. Now, I will say in that building, everybody’s excited about obviously with Quinn Williams coming over, but people in that building are like, we need these guys. We need this. We see the improvement. They’re excited. And the big reason why is Brian Shottenheimimer. You could be questionable. You could have questioned the move in terms of hiring him. But so far in that building, he is a motivator. He’s a magnet. Those guys believe they still have a chance despite their record. Final word on this one before I get to the other one. Quinny Williams is an excellent young man. Also, you’re adding a great foundational person into the building and we all were here in the New York market time to time. You get to meet him. This is one of those guys where, wow, the competition’s a lot, but you’re banking on the future and what he can establish in the locker room. That’s an intangible thing. That’s such a great point. And every Jet I got my phone blew up yesterday obviously with the Gardner going to the Colts. So you’re I’m sure I wonder if people were interested in hearing your opinion on but the but the Williams pickup every Jets fan to a person said we’re going to miss that. He is a classic in the locker room. People love to be around the guy. He has an infectious personality. When the trade was announced S Gardner tweeted New York it’s been real. Little little leak. Minutes later he was gone. Here was Dan Orlowski on the deal that sends sauce to Indie. He hasn’t in the last year and a half been the same player he was early in his career. I think he’s top five in the NFL when it comes to over the last two seasons defensive pass interference and holding. But if they and Louiso can get him to play somewhat the way that he did his first two seasons, this secondary in Indie is in the conversation for being the best in that conference and it’s built to beat Patrick Mahomes or a Josh Allen in the playoffs. All right, so once again, the Quinn and Williams trade didn’t surprise me that much. I thought they might trade him. This one, I did not see coming at all. How did it happen? They weren’t shopping Gardner. In fact, the same general manager that traded him signed him to a 4-year $120 million deal in July. And it’s a first year GM. You put your stamp on those big deals, say that’s the one. That said, every player has a number. And in the last 48 hours, that number increased, increased, increased. When I say number, I mean trade compensation. Chris Ballard offered a godfather deal to the Jets. They basically got exactly what the Cowboys got for Micah Parson, right? That’s the kind of level of compensation Jets weren’t looking to trade Sgardner, but they were. And as far as the contract goes, this has to be specific here. The way Darren Muji wrote this contract up for Sauce Garner. Yes. When we were on TV saying, “Wow, record-breaking numbers.” Very backloaded. So, they had some flexibility in what this was. Stingley’s contract in Houston, which he signed, is actually far greater than what Saw signed with New York. Truth of the matter is they were able to get out of this. They get a mantra deal. And for the Colts, and Jeff, you’ll speak eloquently on this, I’m sure. They get an elite quarterback who by all measures is that guy still, even though the numbers might not show that. So, and let’s do the same math. It’s Indianapolis Colts plus extra sauce equals what? Yeah. Yeah. Super Bowl contender. And this this makes their defense legit. And and you what what Dan was just saying when you couple him when it’s Gardner, Bayum, Kenny Moore, Travarious Ward if he comes back like the flexibility that the Colts are going to have in their defensive backfield is absolutely insane. You think they can play zone now they can go man, you can put Gardner in man. And I understand the penalties and the calls. Let me also say this, this is not a shot on when you’re on bad teams, you get penalized a lot. When you’re on good teams, you you’re playing from the lead. Like things things change a little bit, right? So, like I I understand that the last couple years, but what the Colts are expecting out of Sauce Gardner is a guy who they can put on their one, they can bring extra pressure because it allows them to do those things. Yeah. And Lewis, you and I do the draft. I feel like this is an important pardon me sidebar part of this. The Colts trading away these picks, I think also is a signal they’re all in on Daniel Jones, right? I mean, Daniel Jones going to be their quarterback going forward. Yeah, no question about that. And really quite honestly after this last week’s performance look you can’t just jump off the bandwagon on Daniel Jones because of how the Pittsburgh game looked there’s always a lot of context about interceptions we talked about that they’re fine there look as far as what this does for them defensively with ses Jeff was alluding to was this he gives them a movable chest piece he’s a guy you can go ahead and stick on number ones and say hey look I need you to dog this guy all over the football field look as far as the penalties and the holdings over the past couple years one of the things that Lou I’m sure in a room and a defensive coordinator will do is back him off a little bit. Let him play with more eyes and not have him up on the line of scrimmage doing this all the time. Cuz when you’re out there and you’re charged with covering the team’s number one wide receiver in press, you’re going to get some holding penalties because it’s handtohand combat play after play after play. His skill se skill level hasn’t diminished. They’ll give him a little bit of a break. The culture set up right now though, man. Yes, they are. Chris Ballard. Hey, look, you go he went from being a guy who many people wanted to run out of Indie. Yeah. To now all of a sudden you’re going, “Okay, you’re making some moves.” And listen, the trade he made for Buckner a few years ago, he gave him one. When he goes in the trade, like he he he understands the draft pick compensation portion of it, he also knows there are hard players to replace in certain positions. And if I can go get one that I is a known commodity, I’m willing to take that chance. I think we have a couple more months to figure out who’s right because I think around the league there is skepticism about whether Daniel Jones can be the guy to get you a Super Bowl in that building. Clearly, you don’t make that kind of draft capital investment unless you believe a our guy is in the building and he can take us to the promised land this year or next year. I’m thrilled for Luanoro. I think S need a change of scenery. But when I talk about the skepticism around the league, I had a GM text me last night like that was a dumb move by Indie. So because it’s a lot to give up. So Chris Ballard will be proven right or those skeptics in the league. Quick final word. The Lanar Rumo part of it. Where was Luan Rumo a superstar as a defensive backs coach and then also a defensive coordinator in Cincinnati? Who did he have eyes on in that market for years? Cincinnati Sauce Gardner. So there is a comfort there. They get Lou his piece. And I’ll tell you this, when you have a team with Buckner and Zire Frank, that’s a veteran team. They’re going all in. We are back at the bottom of the hour again. a huge trade deadline day and so we welcome professor Riddick into the classroom papers the doctor gota hand out and let’s find out how hard a grader he is what grade do you give Seattle’s trade for Rashid Shah this is a solid a green this is a solid a look John Schneider went to work he really rounded out this wide receiver core just think about it now but you got JSN who can do everything you got Rasheed Shahid who is a definite third level absolute just wrecker then you get Cooper Cup back healthy you got Tory Horton from Colorado date who’s just been a revelation. And Sam D Sam Darnold is the one who gives you the confidence to go ahead out and complete this this wide receiver core along with the tight ends that they got too. Seattle’s loaded, man. They’re loaded. Look out. They’re loaded. Jeff, Saturday, just do our math again. Seattle Seahawks plus Rasheed Shahid equals Super Bowl contender. This is a Super Bowl contender. This is a legit football team. And to your point, Sam Gar, he’s not throwing short P. This dude is pushing the ball down the field. They have a very explosive offense. Their offensive line, by the way, is protecting him at an insanely high level. They haven’t run it quite as well as they would want to, but all that stuff will round out as the season progresses. They got a bright future. And what a credit to their general manager, John Schneider, to be able to say farewell to DK Metaf, a guy who was in his prime, and say we’re going to be okay. We’re going to trade him, say goodbye to Tyler Lockett, their team leader for many years, and then within six months be loaded at the wide receiver. No one even talking about those two guys. You know what I love about Seattle that they have conviction at the quarterback position. They’re like, “This is our guy. We can win with him. Now, let’s go do it.” And they actually have a roster that merits that decision-m. All right. So, that’s one good grade. Professor Riddick. Yeah. How about the Dallas Cowboys trade for Quinn Williams? Look, I’m giving him a B+. I’m giving a B+ because look, you you cannot be number 32 in the NFL in terms of rushing first downs allowed and then and then complain about it all season every season like we do and then not do anything about it. They have Look, Jeff alluded to this. He you know this is a vernacular I like to use all the time. You build your defense down the middle inside out. They are much stronger now. They still need more edge pass rush and they need to fix that terrible secondary. But this is a stepping stone type of acquisition and it’s going to pay dividends down the road. This was I I I’m I’m making an assumption here, but I’m just going to let you know. I think Jerry got bullied into this one a little bit. I think I think Jerry painted himself into a corner. He knew the Logan Wilson trade wasn’t scratching those cowboy fans. Starting to get up with Logan Wilson because he went listen think about this now. He had talked about Quinn Williams a long time ago. This was a deadline. You could have traded for him a lot earlier if you were go give a first and second. We could have helped We could have helped our defense. We got to help flu. So a long time ago he painted himself a corner was like, “Hey, I got to stir that thing now. I got to stir that thing now.” He started calling around, “Hey, you you want to do something with me? I’ll give you the highest of my first round picks, by the way.” That’s right. The highest. I mean, I need I need Stephen A to be impressed. Um, Seth Walder from ESPN.com is a tougher greater than you are. He gave the Cowboys an F. He gave him an F. Dang. And he wrote, “There’s no other way to put it. This is a horrific trade for the Cowboys. It is completely unfathomable for a team like Dallas to be trading away major draft resources for a soontobe 28-year-old defensive tackle on a salaryheavy contract in a season in which it has a 7% chance to make the playoffs per ESPN’s football power index. And yet here we are. What do you think? Yeah. I mean 28 years old. I mean what is he like 50? I mean soon to be 28 years was the line of demarcation where you threw guys in the trash. Not 28. I think the question I think the the reason why there again skepticism about this trade is sort of a yes it’s a good move except when you look at the collection of Jerry’s moves they’re kind of in this position because Jerry has them in this position he didn’t make moves last season last trade deadline in the offseason um also Quinn he’s coming here yes he’s making significantly less than you would have been paying Micah but at some point Quinn also will want some money too and you’re looking at the the the record that they have it feels a little bit too too little too late given the state of affairs. In the in the spirit of Professor Riddick, I would say this is I didn’t study for the midterm. I didn’t study for the final. The semester’s coming to a close. Let’s do something some extra credit here. That’s what this kind of feels. Yeah, it was a B+. That’s what it is. That’s the thing, though. But the timing is always off with the Cowboys. If you were going to trade Micah Parsons, the time to do it was in March. If you’re going to trade for Quinn and Williams, to your point, the time to do it was when you still had a season to save. If a couple the Jets have been has been, unfortunately, we’re going to get to them in a second. The Jet season has been over since the end of September. So, if you were going to offer them this, you could have to your point perhaps done. So, deadline is you got to wait. Week one, week one last year. That’s what that’s what they like to So, you have that. And so, then that brings us to our final grade, Professor Rick. Uhhuh. What grade do you give the New York Jets on a day in which they trade away their two best defensive players for a significant hall? I’m giving them an incomplete right now. We’ll yet to be determined. I’m telling them to go back home, do some more do some more research. Give me give me some more data and we’ll give them a grade later on because Ral, all they have done is they have acquired a bunch of pics. And I know everyone loves to have pics because pics represent hope. Hope represents, hey, I’m still gonna buy in like rainy. I’m still gonna give them more time. And you know what? You do have to give them more time. And here’s the question now. Here’s the question. What are they gonna do with these picks? Cuz you know what? All these teams that keep coming and getting the Jets players tells you one thing. They know how to really They know how to evaluate players. They just don’t know how to build teams. That’s the issue. So that’s what we’re going to wind up finding out here over the next like two to three years. It’s in I’m I’m sorry. If this were any other organization, you would not be giving them an incomplete. And that’s frust. I feel like it’d be a higher grade. You’d say, “Oh, look.” Why would it be higher, though? Because I feel like the Jets, this regime, this current Jets regime is getting saddled with here the Jets go again. They’re getting saddled with a history of an organization that so far has not been good, dare I say, incompetent at times. And that’s what they’re being saddled with. When Brad Holmes went to Detroit, within three weeks of the job, he traded Matthew Stafford, a lot of those picks, they got Jared Goff, they got Sam Laora, they got Jamir Gibbs. I’m not saying it exact. I’m not saying it will be exactly like that, but every other organization, you got to build through the draft. The Jets know that they’re not winning right now. those teams that took those guys. I don’t know why Jerry thinks their team is still like has a chance of making the playoffs. But the Colts, for instance, they feel like they have a Super Bowl team, so they’re going to make moves to bolster the roster they have. The Jets weren’t going anywhere with Quinn and Saw. So, you can’t say incomplete for Darren Muji and Aaron Glenn for them to have those draft picks. They have flexibility to do different things at the quarterback position and that roster. Brad, I would have given I would have given Brad Holmes an incomplete, too. That doesn’t mean that I’m automatically saying that it’s going to be bad or good. said, “I don’t know. I don’t know what Darren Muji is going to do with these picks. I have no idea what he’s going to do. I don’t know what Aaron Glenn and that coaching staff is going to do with the presumptive first round quarterback that they’re going to wind up selecting in 2020. I don’t know what they’re going to do. It’s It doesn’t mean that it’s an F. It doesn’t mean it’s an A. It means that it’s incomplete cuz all it represents is an opportunity. Okay? So, if I’m grading them on the opportunity that they’ve given themselves, I’ll give them an A.” Okay? I’ll give them an A for the opportunity. It’s an A in terms of the what they got back in value. What they got back in value is greater than I think anyone realistically expected. Are the Jets using the right approach to rebuild the team? Well, yes. But see, here’s the problem. The problem that Jet fans have with what you’re saying, which is obviously factually true of this and they drafted really good players as evidenced by the fact that teams are trading all this stuff for them. So why have they been so bad? Exactly. It is because they are inept when it comes at once they draft the players. They can’t do anything with him. Yeah. Quinnon Williams was a great Jet. He was 31 and 67 as a Jet. S Gardner was a great Jet. He was 17 and 38 as a Jet. You can’t win games without a quarterback. And you could say, well, they had a quarterback. They had Darnold. They traded Darnold. They had a quarterback. They had Zach Wilson. They got rid of Zach Wilson. They have a quarterback in Justin Fields. Well, they didn’t have a quarterback in Zach Wilson. Well, they tried the second. I would just say that this trade gives them yet another whack at this thing because it gives them not only high picks, but it also gives bounty you can do to trade. I gave I gave this to Green at breakfast because I love to I love to uh to to gloat on my Jets fans, but since 95, the Jets have given up 16 of their 38 first round picks. All but four have been highly successful. meaning they have traded traded away their first round picks and all but four one was the Zack Zach Wilson have been highly successful at their second stops building a team to your point it’s incomplete because you got to show me you can build a team you know 94 95 we’re talking about Jerry Jones type land now that’s a long time y’all that’s a I was I hadn’t even started in the league yet I mean that’s a long time I would say two things in the middle of the league one I hope that what their plan is is to use all of these draft picks to go out and high and stun the world again and get a veteran quarterback, a really good one, like one we know of who isn’t 40 years old. Well, I mean, I don’t know. You have to you know me. Second, I thought of the kid. Okay. I thought of this. Let’s remind ourselves of this kid. See if I can get your thoughts on the game. I hate this team. I was born into this and I I’m not going to ever I’m always a Jets fan, but like I just I hate this team. That kid is wearing a Quinn and Williams jersey, people. He can’t even wear the jersey face. His face was just agony. Let’s say this though, Aaron Glenn, he saw the rebuild in Detroit. If you’re if you’re a Jets fan, you’re praying that it looks just you look like Detroit in two years. How many times are you going to hear about this Jets in Detroit thing? That’s the point. I’m just saying. Okay, so you know what? Here’s the thing. Okay, talking about the history I I know I know that I know that the next person who’s going to start taking shots is Aaron Glenn, right? Is he the guy to help set, you know, along with Darren Mucci to pick the the franchise quarterback and then develop him. Well, why isn’t he the guy? And if he’s not the guy, who is the guy, right? Who is the guy? You just tell me who is the guy. Give the guy time. Everybody made fun of Dan Campbell for three about biting ankles or whatever it was knees and guess what? It it takes time. like give him time to build the culture and build the team the way that he watched it get built. It may turn out the best for Jets fans in the last 30 years. Patience might they don’t want to give people time of time now because there’s no expectations to win it all. There we go. There we go. Good for them. Now I a final word. Look, I’m hopeful that it works and Aaron Glenn is a former Jet. I liked him. I’m inclined to root for him because he played for the Jets. But this team as con as constructed until yesterday was not the worst roster in the NFL, but they were the worst team. [Music]

Kimberley A. Martin, Peter Schrager, Louis Riddick and Jeff Saturday join Mike Greenberg on Get Up to react to all the biggest storylines after the NFL Trade Deadline.

0:00 Trade Deadline Stunners
0:59 Swagu got so excited
1:43 Quinnen Williams to the Dallas Cowboys
3:12 “Jerry Jones did something BIG!”
7:16 Sauce Gardner to the Indianapolis Colts
8:55 “Indy is a SUPER BOWL CONTENDER!”
10:15 Colts prove they’re “all-in” on Daniel Jones
12:02 Rashid Shaheed to the Seattle Seahawks
13:45 Grading the Cowboys
17:20 Grading the New York Jets
20:23 “You can’t win games without a quarterback”

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