Obviously neither are the greatest performance for a pitcher or a hitter, but to accomplish these stats doing both is insanely incredible
Obviously neither are the greatest performance for a pitcher or a hitter, but to accomplish these stats doing both is insanely incredible
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For one player, yes. For pitching and hitting independently, no.
I want to see him pitch like 2022 and hit like 2024
Thanks for posting something we all know, Captain Obvious.
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No. Neither are.
Can’t believe he wasted his time on the Angels
No
No. Ohtani’s best year (2023), is the 171st best single season WAR.
While that isn’t cut and dried, it is very far from #1.
No. [Walter Johnson](https://www.baseball-reference.com/players/j/johnswa01.shtml), 1913. 15.2 total WAR. Includes 1.4 WAR as a batter, even though not playing the field every day, with a 109 OPS+
Wait until 2026
2024 54/59 batting year, now that is one for the greatest single season performancs.
No they aren’t. But it’s Ohtani and he’s coddled.
Hers the thing:
If Ohtani came in, and just hit OR pitched- not both- and put up thee numbers, he’d probably be on pace for the HOF.
That’s what makes watching Ohtani so damn special; not only is he baseball’s first true two-way player since Ruth, he is playing BOTH positions at a HOF level.
I guarantee you we’re going to start seeing more and more two-way players, but having a guy do it so well that he could qualify for the HOF at EITHER position on its own?
It’s absurd, and so damn special.
I’m a Jays fan, and watching them lose SUCKED. But that entire series, I knew I was watching the best to ever do it play the game, and in such a way that no one will probably ever match it.
How often in your life can you say that?
Gretzky, Jordan, Brady, Tiger… someone will eventually be better than they were.
But this? Being a HOF-calibre player both as a hitter AND pitcher? Someone being as good as Ohtani is as a complete package ever again HIGHLY unlikely.
So, no: individually neither are close to best ever, but it doesn’t matter: it’s the fact that he’s that good at BOTH that make him so special.
That time Ohtani realized that the MVP is more of a hitting award.
Can’t believe I got to witness 2022 Ohtani season. That was fucking insane. Two A-tier level players in one body. Holy shit.
Ohtani should have been mvp in 22.
The one issue is his innings pitched, to be an all time great season – you really wanna see him closer to 200 IP on the season
And it’s hard for him to get there given he does get extra rest and more careful scheduling.
I just hope he can stay healthy through his contract. I can only imagine what he has in store for fans of not only the Dodgers but all of baseball! Health, as always, is the key.
I’m going to need to see some metrics with those old-timey stats you listed 😎
2022 is objectively better
It’s funny because 2023 season was on track to have 12 fwar, and the reason didn’t happen because ohtani legit stopped pitching due to his arm injury mid August, and stop hitting early September.
Shohei’s best hitting season would be Bond’s 11th best
To answer the question, of course either of them are.
Yes
Even though he didn’t dh on off days I’d say doc goodens sophomore season still tops both of these. The war probably backs it up too.
You seem to have forgotten his best season ever in 25. Which is probably the greatest single season performance ever. I get that he didn’t pitch all year, but he pitched enough, and he won the world series, won MVP and would’ve won WS MVP if his teammate didn’t have one of the greatest WS of any SP ever.
Insane that he is capable of doing this! One of a kind player!
I think his 2023 is the best season by 1 player in history… and he did that in only 5 months! Next year very well could top it… would not be surprised to see him have a 1.000+ OPS and sub-3.00 ERA with hopefully at least 150 IP.