Breaking down Joe Schoen’s hits, misses after Giants tenure gets new life
November 15, 2025
Breaking down Joe Schoen’s hits, misses after Giants tenure gets new life
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Find it funny that his misses are twice as long as his hits. And twice as long as his misses is his “in between moves.”
Honestly, Joe Schoen is just a mediocre GM. Nothing impressive and nothing glaringly bad.
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I thought it said breaking news schoen hits his misses. Got really concerned for a second
I’m not assuming he makes it to next season just the end of this one. That said if his moves have improved I guess I’m ok. He’s had some bad misses though.
I really don’t like the idea of giving any credit to Schoen for drafting Dart. It’s been made so clear through media (both Giants media & outside reporting) that Dabes is the one who deserves credit for making that move.
For fans that advocate for Schoen, genuinely why would you support someone who would re-sign Daniel Jones to an 80-mill-guaranteed contract when you’re unsure of him and franchise tag Saquon when you know Saquon is elite? Wouldn’t it have made more sense to franchise tag Jones and pay Saquon?
His drafting has been laughable for someone who came from a scouting background. I genuinely believe the reason the Giants surprised everyone in 2022 and went 9-7-1, is because Wink and Dabes had a decent roster to work with (not from Schoen). Schoen’s reluctance to re-sign talent (X, Love, Quads), lack of moves for offensive line, and bad draft picks have set this team back more than any bad coaching has.
Dabes was not a good head coach. But he came here because we wanted to see a functional offense and we wanted to groom our next franchise QB. We finally seem to get that this year—even if we were losing, fans were excited to watch every game with the thought that the Giants had a chance because of their offense. Yet, Dabes gets let go and Schoen gets to keep his job for the season presumably.
TLDR: Schoen should be gone. He does not deserve to be the GM of this franchise and will only run us further into a pit.
I’m breaking down reading the article
The Hard Knocks show gave a glimpse of his decision making process. That alone should of gotten him fired.
He’s just as bad as Dabol is as a HC. Below Avg GM. Will see what happens at seasons end!
I blame Joe for wanting the team identity to be speed. That means lighter players on both sides of the ball whether they are shorter or skinnier than average. The disadvantage to having speed is they can’t tackle or break tackles and are the ones taking the damage.
It sucks that it’s been so long since we’ve been able to reliably build talent from the draft that we can’t even determine if this is coaching or if it’s the talent. Based on getting someone like briscillo to turn our o line around you’d have to think it’s more coaching based. By all accounts Daboll was a bit of an asshole so he could have had a drag down effect on everyone. Anyone who’s ever had a shit head boss knows how that feels.
Just sucks to have had a moron GM, then a risk taker GM who has gotten some good players but also let our best walk banking on them being mediocre when they left only to have them look top 5 in their positions when gone.
To me it doesn’t make sense that we can have that loaded d line and not have it be like umenyiora, kiwi, strahan. The Wink split from Daboll fucked us cause no one wanted to work with Daboll and instead we get impotent Bowen for 2 years. I’m hoping the next coaching staff can just work together like a business should. Need an adult to run things, not an explosive whack-job.
Not that it makes a huge difference at all but Tracy is definitely a hit, he’s at least a rotational RB with some explosiveness and pass catching chops and he was taken at the end of the 5th round
Whatever happens to him, if he is gone next season he has left the next guy with a much better roster and a much better cap situation than he inherited
Schoen trades up wayyyy too often. The good teams trade down. You have to take more shots at it, not fewer.
Honestly, the draft stuff doesn’t really move things one way or another for me. Even the greatest GMs have some big misses, and even the worst ones can have big hits. And the sample size is just too small to say that there’s an overall trend. It’s risk management, and it’s better to judge by process than results. He does seem to have a decent enough command of positional value, pick trades, etc.
With other moves, though, I think he has an alarming tendency of throwing money at a perceived need without enough attention to value or quality. The Slayton extension is a big black eye there– throwing cash at a mediocre player because of the need at the position. $12M for James Hudson this offseason because he filled a “swing tackle” need was just money pissed away. He paid the going rate for Adebo to fill a “reasonably competent starting CB” hole, but did he really?
The big unknown, or course, is the Jones extension. If it was dictated by ownership, I can’t fault him too much. If it was him who made the obviously-stupid-at-the-time decision of committing to Jones, well, I’m not sure if that’s redeemable.
I’m not a huge fan of Schoen but at the same time Mara prevented him from dealing Barkley and he walked. He also forced the resigning of DJ. If Shoens allowed to run the franchise without interference we’d clearly be better off.
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Find it funny that his misses are twice as long as his hits. And twice as long as his misses is his “in between moves.”
Honestly, Joe Schoen is just a mediocre GM. Nothing impressive and nothing glaringly bad.
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I thought it said breaking news schoen hits his misses. Got really concerned for a second
I’m not assuming he makes it to next season just the end of this one. That said if his moves have improved I guess I’m ok. He’s had some bad misses though.
I really don’t like the idea of giving any credit to Schoen for drafting Dart. It’s been made so clear through media (both Giants media & outside reporting) that Dabes is the one who deserves credit for making that move.
For fans that advocate for Schoen, genuinely why would you support someone who would re-sign Daniel Jones to an 80-mill-guaranteed contract when you’re unsure of him and franchise tag Saquon when you know Saquon is elite? Wouldn’t it have made more sense to franchise tag Jones and pay Saquon?
His drafting has been laughable for someone who came from a scouting background. I genuinely believe the reason the Giants surprised everyone in 2022 and went 9-7-1, is because Wink and Dabes had a decent roster to work with (not from Schoen). Schoen’s reluctance to re-sign talent (X, Love, Quads), lack of moves for offensive line, and bad draft picks have set this team back more than any bad coaching has.
Dabes was not a good head coach. But he came here because we wanted to see a functional offense and we wanted to groom our next franchise QB. We finally seem to get that this year—even if we were losing, fans were excited to watch every game with the thought that the Giants had a chance because of their offense. Yet, Dabes gets let go and Schoen gets to keep his job for the season presumably.
TLDR: Schoen should be gone. He does not deserve to be the GM of this franchise and will only run us further into a pit.
I’m breaking down reading the article
The Hard Knocks show gave a glimpse of his decision making process. That alone should of gotten him fired.
He’s just as bad as Dabol is as a HC. Below Avg GM. Will see what happens at seasons end!
I blame Joe for wanting the team identity to be speed. That means lighter players on both sides of the ball whether they are shorter or skinnier than average. The disadvantage to having speed is they can’t tackle or break tackles and are the ones taking the damage.
It sucks that it’s been so long since we’ve been able to reliably build talent from the draft that we can’t even determine if this is coaching or if it’s the talent. Based on getting someone like briscillo to turn our o line around you’d have to think it’s more coaching based. By all accounts Daboll was a bit of an asshole so he could have had a drag down effect on everyone. Anyone who’s ever had a shit head boss knows how that feels.
Just sucks to have had a moron GM, then a risk taker GM who has gotten some good players but also let our best walk banking on them being mediocre when they left only to have them look top 5 in their positions when gone.
To me it doesn’t make sense that we can have that loaded d line and not have it be like umenyiora, kiwi, strahan. The Wink split from Daboll fucked us cause no one wanted to work with Daboll and instead we get impotent Bowen for 2 years. I’m hoping the next coaching staff can just work together like a business should. Need an adult to run things, not an explosive whack-job.
Not that it makes a huge difference at all but Tracy is definitely a hit, he’s at least a rotational RB with some explosiveness and pass catching chops and he was taken at the end of the 5th round
Whatever happens to him, if he is gone next season he has left the next guy with a much better roster and a much better cap situation than he inherited
Schoen trades up wayyyy too often. The good teams trade down. You have to take more shots at it, not fewer.
Honestly, the draft stuff doesn’t really move things one way or another for me. Even the greatest GMs have some big misses, and even the worst ones can have big hits. And the sample size is just too small to say that there’s an overall trend. It’s risk management, and it’s better to judge by process than results. He does seem to have a decent enough command of positional value, pick trades, etc.
With other moves, though, I think he has an alarming tendency of throwing money at a perceived need without enough attention to value or quality. The Slayton extension is a big black eye there– throwing cash at a mediocre player because of the need at the position. $12M for James Hudson this offseason because he filled a “swing tackle” need was just money pissed away. He paid the going rate for Adebo to fill a “reasonably competent starting CB” hole, but did he really?
The big unknown, or course, is the Jones extension. If it was dictated by ownership, I can’t fault him too much. If it was him who made the obviously-stupid-at-the-time decision of committing to Jones, well, I’m not sure if that’s redeemable.
I’m not a huge fan of Schoen but at the same time Mara prevented him from dealing Barkley and he walked. He also forced the resigning of DJ. If Shoens allowed to run the franchise without interference we’d clearly be better off.